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| tacone | last apple insanity: http://www.tuaw.com/2009/03/18/appl... | Mar 21 00:14 |
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| MinceR | lol | Mar 21 00:17 |
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| oiaohm | "However, ACMA advises that there are URLs on the published list that have never been the subject of a complaint or ACMA investigation, and have never been included on the ACMA blacklist." That line that you quoted schestowitz | Mar 21 00:21 |
| oiaohm | That really shows the status of the ACMA the minister has never seen the black list. | Mar 21 00:22 |
| oiaohm | So how can he know what was and was not on it. | Mar 21 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Other then ACMA also prosecutes people for false respentations. So even if the list is false they will be out to attack someone. | Mar 21 00:23 |
| _Hicham_1 | flash on linux always sucks | Mar 21 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Using adobe flash or the open source version _Hicham_1 | Mar 21 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Open source version yes it suxs. | Mar 21 00:35 |
| _Hicham_1 | even the proprietary sucks on old machines | Mar 21 00:36 |
| _Hicham_1 | it is such a resource hog | Mar 21 00:37 |
| oiaohm | flash on windows is not much better. | Mar 21 00:37 |
| _Hicham_1 | oiaohm : better than linux anyway | Mar 21 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't see it running a service as SYSTEM user on windows. | Mar 21 00:37 |
| _Hicham_1 | flash? | Mar 21 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Yes flash. | Mar 21 00:38 |
| _Hicham_1 | didnt notice that | Mar 21 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Some of its memory usage is hidden on windows. | Mar 21 00:38 |
| _Hicham_1 | that is how they optimize it? | Mar 21 00:38 |
| _Hicham_1 | wow | Mar 21 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Mar 21 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Note system user can remove every file from the harddrive with the OS is running under windows _Hicham_1 | Mar 21 00:39 |
| _Hicham_1 | I know | Mar 21 00:39 |
| _Hicham_1 | the system user is a super user on windows | Mar 21 00:39 |
| oiaohm | So I would never call Windows flash better. | Mar 21 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Linux flash is more truthful and secure. | Mar 21 00:40 |
| _Hicham_1 | so the flash plugin is just a backdoor running inside a browser | Mar 21 00:40 |
| _Hicham_1 | how can u tell? | Mar 21 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Some of the exploits that worked on old flashs under windows don't work under Linux because it does not have a super user. | Mar 21 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Under windows flash can be a back door. | Mar 21 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Last years pwn2own hacker exploited the system user server of flash on windows to take home the windows laptop. | Mar 21 00:41 |
| _Hicham_1 | Windows is just a slappy whore | Mar 21 00:41 |
| oiaohm | When something is running better under windows start asking how. | Mar 21 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the answers are not good. | Mar 21 00:42 |
| _Hicham_1 | I know that windows has a bad record with security | Mar 21 00:43 |
| _Hicham_1 | i never trust it | Mar 21 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Vista made it worse. | Mar 21 00:43 |
| oiaohm | More applications are using services to avoid UAC under vista still as system user. | Mar 21 00:43 |
| oiaohm | UAC increased the numbers of exploit points in windows not decreased them. | Mar 21 00:44 |
| oiaohm | So all the users pain was for nothing. | Mar 21 00:44 |
| _Hicham_1 | fucking microsoft with fucking architecture | Mar 21 00:44 |
| _Hicham_1 | I dont know why they still develop products | Mar 21 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Windows NT base design is basically perfect. | Mar 21 00:45 |
| _Hicham_1 | all what they do is help spreading virii | Mar 21 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Just Microsoft developers don't follow it. | Mar 21 00:45 |
| _Hicham_1 | well, nt have been merged with 3.1 kernel | Mar 21 00:45 |
| _Hicham_1 | that what gave XP | Mar 21 00:45 |
| oiaohm | NT design is a design of a Real-time os. | Mar 21 00:45 |
| oiaohm | That was the first thing they screwed up. | Mar 21 00:46 |
| _Hicham_1 | why they merge 3.1 with is it then? | Mar 21 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Put the wrong locking system on top so the Real-time support no longer worked then. | Mar 21 00:46 |
| oiaohm | They never merged with 3.1 | Mar 21 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Error after error. NT perfectly good permissions system. | Mar 21 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Services can start up as lower users if set. | Mar 21 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Guess what the features are there just not enforced. | Mar 21 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Most of windows problems are pure lazyness. | Mar 21 00:47 |
| _Hicham_1 | lazyness or because there are lobbies that do not want a secure system? | Mar 21 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Its why people like me who do secuirity audits almost fell like killing someone at MS. Its not like the OS is not able to do secuirty reasonablely well. | Mar 21 00:49 |
| MinceR | "develop" is a strong word for what m$ does with products | Mar 21 00:49 |
| _Hicham_1 | microsoft buys products | Mar 21 00:50 |
| _Hicham_1 | wraps them into a nice GUI | Mar 21 00:50 |
| oiaohm | If MS was building a bridge design would be good but everything would be tack welded. | Mar 21 00:50 |
| _Hicham_1 | and sells them | Mar 21 00:50 |
| MinceR | nice? | Mar 21 00:50 |
| oiaohm | So a some random point the complete thing would fall into the river. | Mar 21 00:51 |
| _Hicham_1 | MinceR : yes, they have a lot of artists | Mar 21 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully when no one was driving on it. | Mar 21 00:51 |
| MinceR | if m$ was to build a bridge, first they'd build an existing bridge, then hack it around to appear "nicer" but in the process they'd make it useless as a bridge | Mar 21 00:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR NT they did build from scrach. | Mar 21 00:51 |
| oiaohm | and its basicaly tack weldered so it works. | Mar 21 00:52 |
| MinceR | correction: some people they've borrowed from DEC did build it from scratch | Mar 21 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Developer they got from DEC designed NT. | Mar 21 00:52 |
| MinceR | adding m$-grade stupidity to the dinosaur design of VMS | Mar 21 00:52 |
| MinceR | afaik that guy brought his own team with him. | Mar 21 00:52 |
| oiaohm | then other MS developers were assigned to build parts. | Mar 21 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Anything done by the DEC guy team is done right. | Mar 21 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Anything done by the MS existing team has been a level 10 nightmares. | Mar 21 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Basically tack welded NT so it looked right so they could sell it with the idea of fixing problems latter. | Mar 21 00:53 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 21 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Problem is next lot saw the tack welds and tacked more on and more on ... Until you have major nightmare. | Mar 21 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel also has had the developer equals of tack welds in places. | Mar 21 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Big Kernel Lock in Linux kernel was basically a tack weld that was 98 percent slag and working by some form of luck. | Mar 21 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember code development and engineering have a lot in common. | Mar 21 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem MS has these days is some of the applicatiosn that use windows depends on there tack welds. | Mar 21 01:01 |
| Balrog | I heard reports that NT at least worked somewhat. | Mar 21 01:05 |
| Balrog | (Version 4 this is) | Mar 21 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Right from the first release version of NT there were tack welded sections that still exist in Windows 7. | Mar 21 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Resources have going into making windows looking pritty instead of removing core faults. | Mar 21 01:07 |
| _Hicham_1 | that is the main goal of microsoft | Mar 21 01:09 |
| _Hicham_1 | always create new theme engines | Mar 21 01:09 |
| Balrog | stuff that might have been needed back then, but no longer needed now | Mar 21 01:11 |
| Balrog | like Mac OS Classic ... portions of OS 9.2.2 code were directly descended from 0.97 | Mar 21 01:12 |
| Balrog | actually, *much* of the code | Mar 21 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough requirements for a graphical workstation have not really changed since 1887. | Mar 21 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Ie pre NT existance. | Mar 21 01:12 |
| Balrog | but memory management, disk management, stuff like that has changed | Mar 21 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Tech chanaged yes. | Mar 21 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Base requirements what they should do has not. | Mar 21 01:13 |
| Balrog | then they try to shoehorn support in, which in the case of Mac OS 9 and below, failed miserably | Mar 21 01:13 |
| Balrog | it wasn't designed for that at all. | Mar 21 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Mac OS 9 and before had design glitches. | Mar 21 01:13 |
| oiaohm | It was not designed as a multi user workstation. | Mar 21 01:14 |
| oiaohm | NT was designed to be a server and workstation OS. | Mar 21 01:14 |
| Balrog | not only that ... large portions were in 68K assembly, even after it became PPC, and changing it would break programs badly | Mar 21 01:14 |
| oiaohm | You forget NT used to run on PPC. | Mar 21 01:15 |
| Balrog | you're right about that; I'm not speaking about that part here.... | Mar 21 01:15 |
| Balrog | oiaohm: sure did. But NT didn't rely on emulated 68K code | Mar 21 01:15 |
| oiaohm | NT was designed CPU netural. | Mar 21 01:15 |
| Balrog | but that fell through very quickly | Mar 21 01:15 |
| oiaohm | This is my point NT design is great. | Mar 21 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Current day implmentation eep stuffed. | Mar 21 01:16 |
| Balrog | NT design was ok, early on. It fell apart fast. | Mar 21 01:16 |
| Balrog | but NT was not really MS-designed | Mar 21 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Due to tack welding. | Mar 21 01:16 |
| Balrog | it came from VMS and OS/2 | Mar 21 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Ok we cannot work out how to use locking that is real-time compadible. | Mar 21 01:16 |
| oiaohm | So we just use spinlocks that are not real-time compadible so breaking the RTOS feature of nt | Mar 21 01:17 |
| oiaohm | And the list goes on. | Mar 21 01:17 |
| Balrog | yeah.... | Mar 21 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Short cut after Short cut. | Mar 21 01:17 |
| Balrog | laz programming | Mar 21 01:17 |
| Balrog | lazy * | Mar 21 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel is at long last starting to remove its tack welds. | Mar 21 01:18 |
| Balrog | worst problem you can have | Mar 21 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Linux has been good there tack welds have not been exposed to user mode programs. | Mar 21 01:18 |
| Balrog | well, the module ABI is very unstable | Mar 21 01:19 |
| Balrog | different for each build of the kernel | Mar 21 01:19 |
| oiaohm | MS other problem. | Mar 21 01:19 |
| oiaohm | There driver ABI has tack welds in it and they have set them in stone. | Mar 21 01:19 |
| Balrog | not a good thing | Mar 21 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes the downside of binary drivers. | Mar 21 01:20 |
| oiaohm | If you internals are crap you get stuck with crap internals. | Mar 21 01:20 |
| Balrog | yeah... | Mar 21 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel has very valid reason not to make its ABI constant. | Mar 21 01:20 |
| oiaohm | For drivers. | Mar 21 01:20 |
| Balrog | that causes problems for people who want to use certain apps; but the companies who write those apps are to blame | Mar 21 01:21 |
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| oiaohm | Windows internal design might be passed repair without upsetting lots of users. | Mar 21 01:22 |
| Balrog | we all say what happened when they changed the ABI in vista.... | Mar 21 01:23 |
| oiaohm | That was correcting the video stack. | Mar 21 01:24 |
| Balrog | see * | Mar 21 01:24 |
| Balrog | yeah, among other things | Mar 21 01:24 |
| Balrog | they made a few other changes with drivers as well, I heard | Mar 21 01:24 |
| oiaohm | There are a few points in the driver stack that will take out 99 percent of all drivers for windows forcing them to be redisgined left. | Mar 21 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically 0 percent driver backwards compadiblity. | Mar 21 01:25 |
| Balrog | not good. | Mar 21 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Does this explain why MS has been talking about doing away with NT based and going to a new .net based OS. | Mar 21 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Pain is about going to be equal. | Mar 21 01:26 |
| Balrog | do you think that will ever happen? I smell vaporware here | Mar 21 01:27 |
| Balrog | also doing that sounds a lot like Mac OS 9 --> OS X | Mar 21 01:27 |
| Balrog | except that Apple has control of hardware ....... | Mar 21 01:27 |
| Balrog | MS doesn't. | Mar 21 01:27 |
| oiaohm | In embeded devices MS already sells a .net based OS. | Mar 21 01:28 |
| Balrog | what's it called? | Mar 21 01:28 |
| oiaohm | http://www.windowsfordevices.com/a... << That. | Mar 21 01:29 |
| Balrog | it's easy to write an os for that kind of stuff (in relative terms) | Mar 21 01:31 |
| Balrog | limited feature set, limited hardware.... | Mar 21 01:31 |
| _Hicham_1 | oiaohm : where do u work at? | Mar 21 01:45 |
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| MethodOne | did you know that ncaa basketball games can be viewed only on windows and mac os x because of silverlight? | Mar 21 01:46 |
| _Hicham_1 | MethodOne : use Moonlight then | Mar 21 01:47 |
| MethodOne | i get the unsupported platform message when i try to view the games | Mar 21 01:58 |
| MethodOne | i feel that i have no use for moonlight because a lot of the sites i know of that use silverlight are bribed by microsoft to use it | Mar 21 02:00 |
| _Hicham_1 | MethodOne : write to the webmaster | Mar 21 02:00 |
| zer0c00l | MethodOne: May be change your browsers user agent string | Mar 21 02:10 |
| zer0c00l | http://chrispederick.com/wo... | Mar 21 02:11 |
| zer0c00l | "unsupported platform" right? change it to "supported platform" | Mar 21 02:12 |
| zer0c00l | silverlight divides the web | Mar 21 02:15 |
| MethodOne | i wish the site used flash instead | Mar 21 02:15 |
| zer0c00l | yeah | Mar 21 02:15 |
| zer0c00l | switching useragent works for you? | Mar 21 02:16 |
| MethodOne | nope | Mar 21 02:17 |
| _Hicham_1 | MethodeOne : what browser are u using? | Mar 21 02:17 |
| MethodOne | firefox | Mar 21 02:17 |
| _Hicham_1 | Konqueror has some sneaky plugin to identify itself as another browser | Mar 21 02:19 |
| zer0c00l | http://chrispederick.com/work/user... this is for firefox | Mar 21 02:19 |
| _Hicham_1 | that is it | Mar 21 02:20 |
| MethodOne | i used that one | Mar 21 02:20 |
| _Hicham_1 | but Linux still exists in ur user agent? | Mar 21 02:20 |
| _Hicham_1 | no? | Mar 21 02:21 |
| MethodOne | i tried using a media player plugin that supports windows media, but it looks like the site want's microsoft's plugin | Mar 21 02:21 |
| MethodOne | wants* | Mar 21 02:21 |
| _Hicham_1 | u have to change Linux to Windows in the user agent | Mar 21 02:21 |
| MethodOne | i did that | Mar 21 02:21 |
| MethodOne | the site wants the real windows media plugin | Mar 21 02:21 |
| oiaohm | _Hicham_1: Lots of different places is the simplest descriptions for where I work. | Mar 21 02:22 |
| _Hicham_1 | MethodOne : try this one : http://www.geticeweasel... | Mar 21 02:22 |
| _Hicham_1 | oiaohm : are u from australia? | Mar 21 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes I am from Australia | Mar 21 02:23 |
| MethodOne | according to about:config, the user agent is the same as the one on the site you gave me | Mar 21 02:24 |
| oiaohm | Data recovery, Security Auditing, System Design, machine repairs and System Admin(for quite a few networks). Kinda makes me a jack of all trades. _Hicham_1 | Mar 21 02:25 |
| MethodOne | the site must use some different way of detecting the browser | Mar 21 02:25 |
| _Hicham_1 | MethodOne: no Linux word in the String? | Mar 21 02:25 |
| _Hicham_1 | give me the website | Mar 21 02:25 |
| _Hicham_1 | I am gonna try it | Mar 21 02:25 |
| MethodOne | http://mmod.ncaa.com | Mar 21 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Area where I am does not have a large company with enough money to employee me with my skills full time. So I am kinda shared. | Mar 21 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Kinda makes me different _Hicham_1 | Mar 21 02:27 |
| _Hicham_1 | oiaohm : I greatly appreciate discussing things with u | Mar 21 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Part of the problem is I hate built up cities. | Mar 21 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Where I live I never have a single traffic jam. | Mar 21 02:29 |
| _Hicham_1 | oiaohm : do u live far from Sydney? | Mar 21 02:30 |
| oiaohm | Over 9 hours away from Sydney | Mar 21 02:30 |
| oiaohm | By road. | Mar 21 02:31 |
| MethodOne | right now i'm trying out the beta of xandros presto, which has the realplayer plugin. let me boot into my arch installation and see if i get the same message with videos in the gecko-mediaplayer plugin. | Mar 21 02:31 |
| oiaohm | I can get there fairly quick by private aircraft if required for work. | Mar 21 02:31 |
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| oiaohm | Yes I have one of those kind of jobs _Hicham_1 | Mar 21 02:32 |
| oiaohm | It gets kinda annoying at times less than 3 hours notice before having to be on a aircraft to be dropped off somewhere to fix something. | Mar 21 02:34 |
| oiaohm | I guess you job is a fairly normal one _Hicham_1 | Mar 21 02:35 |
| _Hicham_1 | oiaohm : yes | Mar 21 02:35 |
| oiaohm | Worst jobs is doing on site data recovery assessment in a burn out building. | Mar 21 02:36 |
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| _Hicham_1 | completely burn out? | Mar 21 02:37 |
| MethodOne | back | Mar 21 02:37 |
| oiaohm | Yes job is locating and packing the machines for shipping for data recovery. And hopefully not running accross a missed corpse. | Mar 21 02:38 |
| _Hicham_1 | what a bad job | Mar 21 02:38 |
| _Hicham_1 | is it well paid at least? | Mar 21 02:38 |
| oiaohm | You have to wear resporators all the time. | Mar 21 02:38 |
| oiaohm | And lots of other protective gear. | Mar 21 02:39 |
| oiaohm | packing is the worst bit you have to clean the machines as much as able before they are packed. | Mar 21 02:40 |
| _Hicham_1 | is it ur job to do that? | Mar 21 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes. | Mar 21 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Its over flow. I fill lots of gaps. | Mar 21 02:40 |
| oiaohm | This is where I am different I don't know what I will be doing for the next 24 hours. It could be anything. | Mar 21 02:41 |
| oiaohm | Or nothing. | Mar 21 02:41 |
| _Hicham_1 | did u work with gcc team? | Mar 21 02:42 |
| oiaohm | I have submited ideas and design alterations to the gcc team. | Mar 21 02:42 |
| oiaohm | Most of them have been intergrated in time. | Mar 21 02:42 |
| oiaohm | Not been a developer in the gcc team. | Mar 21 02:43 |
| oiaohm | With most closed source coding projects I interface with I am either the secuirty auditor of the program or internal struct designer not a coder. | Mar 21 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Makes me way different to most there as well. | Mar 21 02:45 |
| _Hicham_1 | so u mostly do design? | Mar 21 02:45 |
| _Hicham_1 | no coding? | Mar 21 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Design and auditing. | Mar 21 02:46 |
| oiaohm | I read code quite well. Just not that effective at writing it from scratch. | Mar 21 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Very effective at finding coder screw ups. | Mar 21 02:47 |
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| _Hicham_1 | do u use some standard methods? | Mar 21 02:48 |
| oiaohm | Mixture of automatic tools and extracting base designs and checking. | Mar 21 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Suprising how may things are simple base design errrors like not checking what user is doing the action. | Mar 21 02:49 |
| oiaohm | When dealing with computers I am a perfectionist. Home life kinda the other way. | Mar 21 02:51 |
| oiaohm | perfectionists don't make good coders. | Mar 21 02:52 |
| oiaohm | My nature leads to over engnerining the solution. | Mar 21 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Also leads to me hating something about all OS's out there. | Mar 21 02:53 |
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| ZiggyFish | I like this story: because although the sounding text says otherwise, linux is used by most hackers and is very secure http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog/200... | Mar 21 06:37 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 21 06:42 |
| oiaohm | Hi schestowitz | Mar 21 06:44 |
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| *schestowitz restores old pages templates | Mar 21 09:15 | |
| schestowitz | I ought to get some new plugins for the site | Mar 21 09:15 |
| schestowitz | Just installed http://wordpress.org/extend/plu... , but at risk if flushing cache from other plugin to switch over to this one | Mar 21 09:19 |
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| schestowitz | Social networking goes the wrong way (Digg has similar problems): Nokia closes Porn'n'Warez swap site < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/... > | Mar 21 09:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... "Xerox announced Friday morning that it was lowering its expectations for first-quarter 2009 earnings by 69 to 85 per cent. " | Mar 21 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Dell confirms more jobs cuts in EMEA < http://www.channelregister.co.uk... > | Mar 21 09:44 |
| schestowitz | "Sony-Ericsson warned today that it expects to sell just 14 million mobile handsets in the first quarter of 2009. That compares to 24.2m in the fourth quarter of 2008, which was in turn down 21 per cent on the same period a year ago." < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... > | Mar 21 09:44 |
| trmanco | I just love free software | Mar 21 09:51 |
| trmanco | see how Brasero is evolving | Mar 21 09:51 |
| trmanco | it started very basic and primitive, and right now it's getting very powerful, lots of new shiny features | Mar 21 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I heard it's getting good (even Beranger) | Mar 21 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch Bomb Scare < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2... > "I used to catalog examples of the war on the unexpected..." | Mar 21 10:32 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Mar 21 13:13 |
| schestowitz | 0j (SImpson) | Mar 21 13:14 |
| Omar871 | Hi | Mar 21 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Ex-Googler Describes Company's Obsession With Data < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... >. Goo goo da da, da TA! | Mar 21 13:17 |
| MinceR | 0range juice? | Mar 21 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: O.J. Simpson Living the Good Life in Prison? < http://www.foxnews.com/story/0... > | Mar 21 13:25 |
| oiaohm | There are worse places than Prison | Mar 21 13:26 |
| Omar871 | Hi there. | Mar 21 13:26 |
| MinceR | i didn't know he was in prison | Mar 21 13:26 |
| oiaohm | http://www.inquisitr.com/20245/google-s... At long last someone is starting to work out the chain reaction of the ACMA power. | Mar 21 13:30 |
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| oiaohm | ACMA has had the power since 2007 to shutdown Australia's Internet. | Mar 21 13:35 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine. The only thing preventing it is people's action | Mar 21 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Its been fairly ok because no one has tried waring with the ACMA. | Mar 21 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Take down notices have been obeyed. | Mar 21 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Now if some stupid idiots get the idea they can force ACMA to do there bidding. Its will just wake up a hugely power enity with the power to block anything. | Mar 21 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Also wikileaks people better not have any intrest in visiting Australia any time soon. Simple fact there country might say they have freedom of press to print what they like. ACMA has the right here to validate sources. | Mar 21 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Entering here would basically be jail/very large fines for wikileaks. | Mar 21 13:44 |
| oiaohm | ACMA power to check out sources goes back the the past here were some new reporters made up facts. | Mar 21 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Wikileaks could open up a interesting case in cross border internet laws. | Mar 21 13:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: people take it with grain of slat | Mar 21 13:48 |
| schestowitz | *salt | Mar 21 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Watch analogous scenario for Wikipedia | Mar 21 13:48 |
| oiaohm | ACMA is known for finding out how far they can push the law. | Mar 21 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Wikipedia is not foolish. They don't want to get pulled into a mess. | Mar 21 13:51 |
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| oiaohm | ACMA is a case of cost saving gone wrong. | Mar 21 13:55 |
| oiaohm | If you go back threw its history it started live as 8 different departments. Over the years it merged into the monster with all the power over communications. | Mar 21 13:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: tomorrow I'll post film in BN | Mar 21 13:56 |
| schestowitz | 1984 is on YouTube | Mar 21 13:56 |
| schestowitz | It's quite timely. | Mar 21 13:56 |
| oiaohm | I guess showing the history repeat. | Mar 21 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes, something more visionary though, not a repetition | Mar 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | It's depressing film. | Mar 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Actually, hold on, I'll post it now so that you can see. | Mar 21 14:04 |
| schestowitz | There, oiaohm, especially for you: http://boycottnovell.com/2009... | Mar 21 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Yep 1984 is about history and future. | Mar 21 14:18 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi People have not learnt the lessions of this. | Mar 21 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Power of a unified protest done right is unstoppable if you have the local population on your side. | Mar 21 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Problem is control of information. People don't learn in schools how to resist correclty. | Mar 21 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Imposed ignorance | Mar 21 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Admiration of authority, even blindly | Mar 21 14:27 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 21 14:40 |
| zer0c00l | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/21... saturday movie ;) when did he started adding thing | Mar 21 14:59 |
| zer0c00l | gr8 | Mar 21 14:59 |
| zer0c00l | :-) | Mar 21 14:59 |
| oiaohm | It does releate to current day events a bit in Australia | Mar 21 15:00 |
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| trmanco | omg -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?s... | Mar 21 15:40 |
| PetoKraus | and? | Mar 21 15:47 |
| PetoKraus | you mean, omg M$ is using linux? | Mar 21 15:47 |
| trmanco | yes | Mar 21 15:47 |
| trmanco | again | Mar 21 15:48 |
| trmanco | but it runs .net | Mar 21 15:48 |
| trmanco | mod_mono? | Mar 21 15:48 |
| MinceR | apparently they're using akamai's cache | Mar 21 15:50 |
| MinceR | probably nobody is stupid enough to build a CDN on microsoft crap | Mar 21 15:51 |
| trmanco | the real servers might be behind a proxy | Mar 21 15:51 |
| trmanco | CDN? | Mar 21 15:51 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/2923462 | Mar 21 15:53 |
| MinceR | content distribution network | Mar 21 16:02 |
| trmanco | ah, I can look into it now | Mar 21 16:03 |
| trmanco | thanks | Mar 21 16:04 |
| MinceR | np | Mar 21 16:08 |
| zer0c00l | akamai's cache? | Mar 21 16:23 |
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| toros | hi | Mar 21 16:35 |
| zer0c00l | hi toros | Mar 21 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Site load is still quite high (140 sql ops/second), but I can reduce the load further, if needed. trmanco I installed the 'super-cache plugin' too, but swapping to it would mean temporarily dropping the existing cache and thus increasing the loan. I 'untrimmed' the pages, but we can always go back to lighter pages too. | Mar 21 17:17 |
| schestowitz | brb | Mar 21 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Should we redesign BN? Shane says: "maybe we could look at a newer template too, some folks had complained about the old layout having very crappy css and we've hacked it pretty hard. Anything pretty, while being all css and lean, that you've seen for wordpress?"" | Mar 21 17:39 |
| tacone | maybe at least adjust it here and there. | Mar 21 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I quite like the existing theme and the contest was sometimes made to fit it. I fear changing it. :-S But if there are suggestions, then... | Mar 21 17:39 |
| schestowitz | tacone: in what way? | Mar 21 17:39 |
| tacone | let me open such webpage O:-) | Mar 21 17:39 |
| tacone | first, excerpts in the home page | Mar 21 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Just excerpts? | Mar 21 17:40 |
| tacone | your posts are long, you can't easily navigate posts in the homepage | Mar 21 17:40 |
| tacone | just ? | Mar 21 17:40 |
| schestowitz | I see. | Mar 21 17:40 |
| tacone | give a look to mine http://www.stefanoforenza.com/ | Mar 21 17:41 |
| schestowitz | I could make the front page only except like the ones at the bottom | Mar 21 17:41 |
| tacone | i had to do the same thing. | Mar 21 17:41 |
| *schestowitz looks | Mar 21 17:41 | |
| tacone | also, go to the bottom and wait | Mar 21 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Many people read via RSS | Mar 21 17:41 |
| tacone | sure. | Mar 21 17:41 |
| tacone | that's just one simple tweak that may be useful. | Mar 21 17:41 |
| tacone | btw your rss are partial | Mar 21 17:42 |
| tacone | so people will stumble on the site anyway. | Mar 21 17:42 |
| tacone | what do people complain about ? | Mar 21 17:42 |
| tacone | why you had the idea of changing theme, i mean ? | Mar 21 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Not me | Mar 21 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Some people suggested it | Mar 21 17:44 |
| tacone | what reason they gave ? | Mar 21 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I try to change to full feeds | Mar 21 17:44 |
| schestowitz | In WordPress options | Mar 21 17:44 |
| tacone | just a matter of prettyness ? | Mar 21 17:44 |
| schestowitz | But it seems to have no effect | Mar 21 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Change in theme can lead to content not fitting the page properly | Mar 21 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Needs certain bg colours, width, etc. | Mar 21 17:45 |
| tacone | ah... ! | Mar 21 17:45 |
| tacone | you wrote colored headlines or stuff like that ? | Mar 21 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Not really. | Mar 21 17:47 |
| schestowitz | But the content has the theme in mind | Mar 21 17:47 |
| tacone | any concrete example ? (url) | Mar 21 17:47 |
| NeonFL0SS | http://img14.imageshack.us/img1... | Mar 21 17:48 |
| *NeonFL0SS is now known as Neonflo | Mar 21 17:48 | |
| tacone | Neonflo: i always thought it was by purpouse | Mar 21 17:48 |
| Neonflo | me too | Mar 21 17:48 |
| Neonflo | just want to check though | Mar 21 17:49 |
| Neonflo | I mean, its sort of distracting with the side links | Mar 21 17:49 |
| tacone | i'm a fan of the hybrid theme. it allows subtheming and has pretty nifty stuff (multiple sidebars etc) | Mar 21 17:49 |
| Neonflo | im pretty sure its on purpuse | Mar 21 17:51 |
| Neonflo | sorry for bothering :P | Mar 21 17:51 |
| tacone | no need to feel sorry. it's a good point. | Mar 21 17:51 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, it's part of the design | Mar 21 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Another person complained about it too | Mar 21 17:52 |
| Neonflo | im not complaining, its just a bit distracting with the links | Mar 21 17:52 |
| tacone | it's a nice idea, but not everything fits all people. not a big problem imho. | Mar 21 17:52 |
| Neonflo | it looks nice in other spots though | Mar 21 17:53 |
| tacone | i would just let the new theme strip it. | Mar 21 17:53 |
| tacone | as for me i am a big fan of white backgrounds :) | Mar 21 17:54 |
| tacone | one thing to be said, BN is not your ordinary blog | Mar 21 17:54 |
| schestowitz | How's this? http://wp-themes.com/pixeled/?TB_... | Mar 21 17:54 |
| tacone | there's LOTS of content | Mar 21 17:54 |
| tacone | pretty nice. but black is bad. | Mar 21 17:55 |
| Neonflo | agreed | Mar 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Some love black | Mar 21 17:55 |
| Neonflo | lol I looked at that one for my blog | Mar 21 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Specifically asking for it | Mar 21 17:55 |
| tacone | sure schestowitz, but not on read-a-lot sites | Mar 21 17:55 |
| Neonflo | ^ | Mar 21 17:55 |
| tacone | those are a minorance. if your choosen theme is simple in design, a custom css switcher may do. | Mar 21 17:56 |
| tacone | i wouldn't waste my time to make a black version, though. | Mar 21 17:56 |
| schestowitz | How's that? http://wp-themes.com/german-newspaper/... | Mar 21 17:58 |
| tacone | ugly. but with a nice use of space | Mar 21 17:59 |
| tacone | a good starting point, i'd say. | Mar 21 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Mar 21 18:00 |
| Neonflo | as for the first theme, if you invert the colours and change the hues its not bad | Mar 21 18:00 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to spend much time on it | Mar 21 18:00 |
| schestowitz | So much is lost by making such a change | Mar 21 18:00 |
| tacone | http://themehybrid.com/demo/... | Mar 21 18:00 |
| tacone | what you think ? | Mar 21 18:00 |
| schestowitz | It's too Vista-ish | Mar 21 18:00 |
| schestowitz | =bad | Mar 21 18:00 |
| tacone | seems already done | Mar 21 18:00 |
| tacone | of course you can dress it a little bit. change colors or stuff like that. | Mar 21 18:00 |
| tacone | it's the disposition of information you have to judge. | Mar 21 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Like Brushed connotates with Apple.. or Aqua | Mar 21 18:01 |
| Neonflo | inst vista-ish good>? | Mar 21 18:01 |
| tacone | i find it quite good. | Mar 21 18:01 |
| Neonflo | lol | Mar 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | I gove up | Mar 21 18:02 |
| tacone | lol | Mar 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | *Give. Can't find much of us | Mar 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | use | Mar 21 18:02 |
| schestowitz | And it would be a lot of work to merge styles. I did a lot of CSS stuff and there too many pages to test on | Mar 21 18:02 |
| Neonflo | http://wp-themes.com/inove/?TB_ifram... with dif background and header | Mar 21 18:03 |
| tacone | nice, also. i still prefer hybrid-news | Mar 21 18:04 |
| tacone | i may do a little experiment with it, maybe | Mar 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | It's a matter of taste | Mar 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I've always loves Ocadia | Mar 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Even before I used it | Mar 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I settle down on things I like | Mar 21 18:05 |
| Neonflo | :) | Mar 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | But some people like vanilla, some like chocolate | Mar 21 18:05 |
| schestowitz | So no-one is ever happy | Mar 21 18:05 |
| tacone | you should reason in terms of problems and solutions. | Mar 21 18:06 |
| schestowitz | And it's no restaurant, so you can't really offer choise | Mar 21 18:06 |
| tacone | is there any real problem with the current theme ? | Mar 21 18:06 |
| schestowitz | I could make a theme swtcher | Mar 21 18:06 |
| schestowitz | tacone: no, it works well | Mar 21 18:06 |
| tacone | then no problem. | Mar 21 18:06 |
| schestowitz | The current theme contains lots... well 'contains' | Mar 21 18:06 |
| schestowitz | It has loads in the archives | Mar 21 18:06 |
| schestowitz | And they were sometimes made to suit the theme | Mar 21 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Colours, line lengths, styles, font sizes, etc. | Mar 21 18:07 |
| schestowitz | So any change would lead to what I sometimes see in NYT or CNET that changed themes over the years | Mar 21 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Some old articles may contain odd characters, lost content, bad fits, etc | Mar 21 18:07 |
| tacone | too much backwards compatibility is bad(tm) | Mar 21 18:07 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes | Mar 21 18:07 |
| tacone | i may try to aggregate some of your content into one test site and see how it looks on another theme. | Mar 21 18:08 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: in GN you maintain M$ mail archives right? | Mar 21 18:09 |
| zer0c00l | can you give me the link | Mar 21 18:09 |
| zer0c00l | boycottnovell.com/wiki/ ? | Mar 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks! | Mar 21 18:10 |
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| tacone | np | Mar 21 18:10 |
| Neonflo | a group of people and I are planning on making a internet/filesharing/pirate/tech blog thats community run (ideally a community would contribute to publishing blogs). any ideas for names? | Mar 21 18:13 |
| tacone | whoscriminal | Mar 21 18:14 |
| Neonflo | ? | Mar 21 18:14 |
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| tacone | what's that community about ? | Mar 21 18:15 |
| Neonflo | there is not community yet | Mar 21 18:15 |
| Neonflo | dunno im just doing some dreaming | Mar 21 18:15 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/tech-pol... (Harvard prof apologizes to judge, RIAA lawyers) | Mar 21 18:17 |
| schestowitz | A bit old, but some site dig it up at the moment: Security fears spark Linux drive in Iran < http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/2... > | Mar 21 18:20 |
| schestowitz | O'Bushma? Obama DOJ Supports Warrantless Wireless Location Searches < http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wire... > | Mar 21 18:22 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: Aussie stumbles on 19,000 exposed credit card numbers < http://www.itnews.com.au/News/99250,auss... > | Mar 21 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Linus refuses to say "free software"... http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/FOSS-De... | Mar 21 18:29 |
| schestowitz | More on Big G: Google's Data Fetish Drives Away Its Top Designer < http://valleywag.gawker.com/5177144/googles... > | Mar 21 18:33 |
| zer0c00l | why linus is doing like this? he supports proprietary ? | Mar 21 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's Linus | Mar 21 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Obama trade officials promise thorough review of transparency policies < http://www.keionline.org/blogs/200... > < another pretender | Mar 21 18:37 |
| schestowitz | "This image... all known objects - functioning and dead - in orbit around earth. " < http://eaves.ca/2009/03/20/... > | Mar 21 18:39 |
| schestowitz | "This image... all known objects - functioning and dead - in orbit around earth. " < http://eaves.ca/2009/03/20/what-po... > | Mar 21 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer: GNU/Linux Will Win on Netbooks < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200... > | Mar 21 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | DE: Federal government to increase its open source expertise < http://www.osor.eu/news/de-federal-go... > | Mar 21 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Linux is now modeling: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS... | Mar 21 18:48 |
| zer0c00l | its funny GNU/PHONE http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/2... | Mar 21 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Back to the Dark Ages: London imposes de-facto 9PM curfew on under-16s < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/21... > | Mar 21 18:50 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: that's David Gerard's site (from BN) | Mar 21 18:50 |
| zer0c00l | :-) | Mar 21 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Dell axes more Irish jobs < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... > | Mar 21 18:54 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: why do you write excerpts in your posts ? | Mar 21 19:10 |
| tacone | are those getting used anywhere ? | Mar 21 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Usually in all the feeds, search results, and abbreviated items in front page (bottom) | Mar 21 19:14 |
| tacone | fyi: that's what prevents wordpress from applying the full feeds option | Mar 21 19:14 |
| tacone | if an excerpt is written, it's used in the feed. that's my take, at least. | Mar 21 19:14 |
| tacone | not that partial feeds are bad. i am saying just because you said you couldn't use full ones. | Mar 21 19:15 |
| tacone | lol turns out i were wrong. | Mar 21 19:19 |
| tacone | seems like to me your atom feed is partial. the normal feed is already full. | Mar 21 19:20 |
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| trmanco | my bouncer is down | Mar 21 19:22 |
| trmanco | :| | Mar 21 19:22 |
| trmanco | 19:24:41 up 19 days, 17:02, 8 users, load average: 124.58, 111.78, 72.68 | Mar 21 19:23 |
| trmanco | :| | Mar 21 19:23 |
| schestowitz | tacone: thanks | Mar 21 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know thar | Mar 21 19:24 |
| trmanco | I wonder who is the the sysadmin of this server | Mar 21 19:24 |
| schestowitz | hard times with DreamLinux: http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=541 | Mar 21 19:24 |
| tacone | lol, me neither | Mar 21 19:24 |
| *schestowitz has 3307 unread itesms in BN | Mar 21 19:29 | |
| trmanco | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-s... | Mar 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's an anti FOSS blog | Mar 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Intelligence services' interrogation rules banning torture to be published < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/m... > | Mar 21 19:32 |
| trmanco | it is? hmm | Mar 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | The lobbyists/shills took over the global warming cdebate. Appalling: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/mar... | Mar 21 19:32 |
| trmanco | http://www.flickr.com/photos/29103... | Mar 21 19:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: much of the time. The author doesn't support what he writes about | Mar 21 19:33 |
| *zer0c00l agrees with schestowitz | Mar 21 19:33 | |
| trmanco | writes for money... | Mar 21 19:33 |
| zer0c00l | probably | Mar 21 19:33 |
| zer0c00l | i too have read his blog past few times | Mar 21 19:34 |
| schestowitz | yes, provocatio | Mar 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet BS | Mar 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | It should be knocked off Google News... long ago | Mar 21 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | A bunch of flamers/'masturbating moneys' treated as 'news' | Mar 21 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Former diplomat demands publication of complete Iraq war paper trail < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2... > | Mar 21 19:37 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 21 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Re: global warming: If we behave as if it's too late, then our prophecy is bound to come true < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree... > | Mar 21 19:39 |
| schestowitz | One solution would be birth control The population on Earth is too vast to supply water, food and also take account of nature, atmosphere, etc. | Mar 21 19:39 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, it seems a lot of hot topics in .au appear on forums.whirlpool.net.au | Mar 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I heard about it | Mar 21 19:57 |
| schestowitz | I think the context appeared a lot in Groklaw... something about censorship or closure in 2008 | Mar 21 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I didn't realise this had made Slashdot: Texas Legislature Considers Open Document Formats < http://tech.slashdot.org/article.p... > | Mar 21 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Holder Tells Agencies To Open More Records < http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con... >. Secrecy is typically indicative of corruption. | Mar 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | :-( http://www.computerworld.com/action... "According to an event invitation from Sun Microsystems Inc., the Internet Archive is moving from a traditional data center filled with standard Linux servers to one that runs Solaris 10 with ZFS on Sun Fire x4500s servers inside a Sun Modular Datacenter." | Mar 21 20:14 |
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| amarsh04 | the IBM - Sun speculation sort of follows logically from the HP-EDS merger... HP/EDS is phasing out Sun hardware in favour of HP hardware | Mar 21 20:15 |
| amarsh04 | I don't know how much HP/EDS will use Linux... I'm sure IBM Global Services will use Linux | Mar 21 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | IBM doesn't like *GPL | Mar 21 20:21 |
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| amarsh04 | linux.corp.hp.com says "powered by Debian" but runs on IIS | Mar 21 20:22 |
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| amarsh04 | will have to ask Bdale Garbee about that | Mar 21 20:23 |
| trmanco | I'm still not an 100% | Mar 21 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: Microsoft pays them to move sometimes | Mar 21 20:30 |
| trmanco | :| | Mar 21 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Or see the correspondence between MS and Intel where MS tells them to move to Windows hosting | Mar 21 20:30 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: connection wobbly? | Mar 21 20:30 |
| amarsh04 | that too, schestowitz. btw, the grand-daughter likes the Tuz she received for her 6th birthday | Mar 21 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: here it is: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/1... | Mar 21 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "I also have a personal ask that if we do the 64bit work that we get INTEL.COM to be a 64bit ASP.NET sites. " | Mar 21 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Rudder said this, IIRC | Mar 21 20:32 |
| trmanco | ... | Mar 21 20:32 |
| trmanco | screw it | Mar 21 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Old media keeps dying. First the newspaper industry began suffering. Now it is newsprint. < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/business... > | Mar 21 20:39 |
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| trmanco | here is the other idiot | Mar 21 20:42 |
| trmanco | lets see how long he can stay connected without being disconnected with excess flood | Mar 21 20:43 |
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| Sasha12113 | helo everybody | Mar 21 20:44 |
| Sasha12113 | I am officially making my statement: i use arch linux and on april 1st, i'm not going to care | Mar 21 20:45 |
| Sasha12113 | so go do your del c:\ | Mar 21 20:45 |
| Sasha12113 | oh wait.... | Mar 21 20:45 |
| Sasha12113 | :P | Mar 21 20:45 |
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| trmanco | uh? | Mar 21 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Comedy | Mar 21 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Novell/OpenSUSE at a Free/OS software conference: http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/FOSDEM/2009/... patent this, patent that. | Mar 21 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "For all the browsers on operating systems, the hardest target is Firefox on Windows. With Firefox on Mac OS X, you can do whatever you want. There’s nothing in the Mac operating system that will stop you." http://blogs.zdnet.com/securit... | Mar 21 20:55 |
| trmanco | ha | Mar 21 20:55 |
| trmanco | its stable | Mar 21 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Mac fan MinceR will be sobbing over it | Mar 21 20:55 |
| trmanco | lets go make the change | Mar 21 20:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 21 20:55 |
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| trmanco | cool | Mar 21 20:56 |
| trmanco | my news costume | Mar 21 20:56 |
| trmanco | new* | Mar 21 20:56 |
| MinceR | hm, did they attack opera too? | Mar 21 20:56 |
| MinceR | oh, and chromium | Mar 21 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Chromium was safe | Mar 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Gecko + Windows stuff | Mar 21 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Pseudopen-source | Mar 21 20:58 |
| schestowitz | The cure to Ballmer's "cancer" | Mar 21 20:58 |
| trmanco | http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Richa... | Mar 21 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I've come to sad conclusions | Mar 21 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Having watches some films recently (documentaries/lectures for the most part), it seems likely that human selfishness is motivated -- in part -- by inbred education, which is the very opposite of ubuntu (the word, not the brand name). People will continues to selfishly expand and I see this in people whom I speak to. It's what they are raised to believe. | Mar 21 21:01 |
| schestowitz | So overpopulation will lead to war over water initially. Rising seas levels cause that too. | Mar 21 21:01 |
| *schestowitz didn't know FSF had a Wiki. http://groups.fsf.org/in... Why is the planet red? Blood? Devil? | Mar 21 21:03 | |
| schestowitz | FSF spreads the Red Scare/Threat. They knew it was a communist pl0t ! Bah | Mar 21 21:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Novell filled YouTUbe up with garbage: http://www.youtube.com/watch... | Mar 21 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Grant H0 | Mar 21 21:06 |
| trmanco | yuck | Mar 21 21:08 |
| trmanco | they are promoting silvilight | Mar 21 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Mar 21 21:09 |
| schestowitz | The video? | Mar 21 21:09 |
| trmanco | yes | Mar 21 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Let me see it till the end | Mar 21 21:09 |
| trmanco | the part where he talks about interoperability | Mar 21 21:10 |
| schestowitz | AppArmor? | Mar 21 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Novell laid them off | Mar 21 21:10 |
| schestowitz | It's dying | Mar 21 21:11 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't linger on it... | Mar 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | No big smoke there....... | Mar 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Petty nitpicking = redundant | Mar 21 21:13 |
| trmanco | the people that say that blender sucks can shut up -> http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Mar 21 21:18 |
| schestowitz | It's one heck of a powerful program | Mar 21 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Used to be proprietary | Mar 21 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Made in Blender: http://www.youtube.com/watch... (Big Buck Bunny) | Mar 21 21:19 |
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| trmanco | yeah, that is another example | Mar 21 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Another fantastic day for Linux today. Microsoft has had NO NEW products for ages | Mar 21 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Linux: Presto; Ubuntu 9.04, Compiz, 2.6.29........ Microsoft: lawsuit vs TomTom, Firefox3 wannabe, more dumping on OEMs to prevent more Linux on sub-notebooks... | Mar 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Why Firefox rules: 100 tips to help you work smarter with Firefox < http://www.techradar.com/news/internet... > | Mar 21 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Will Microsoft Abandon Windows to Compete with Linux? < http://www.daniweb.com/b... > | Mar 21 21:25 |
| schestowitz | PCLOS 2009 looks really fantastic. All reviews are positive. http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/... | Mar 21 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Ripper Gang >> Microsoft Corp. (+$6bn on Lonhorn in the wastebasket) | Mar 21 21:29 |
| MinceR | i don't get what this "Microsoft Desktop" is supposed to be | Mar 21 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Me neither. Maybe the whole hazy 'cloud' BS | Mar 21 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Yeah... Linux on devices | Mar 21 21:34 |
| schestowitz | To connect to... Azure? | Mar 21 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Either way, while Linux thinks "fast boot, better GUIs, security models" Microsoft thinks "sue! Cancer! Buy, spend. Apple is more expensive ad nauseam..." | Mar 21 21:35 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/ar... (Wubi: Install Ubuntu in Windows Partition - A Complete Guide) | Mar 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | How not to phrase headlines: PCLinuxOS 2009.1 - A Taste of an Old Friend < http://sloppyganger.blogspot.com/2009/03/... >. Cannibalism? | Mar 21 21:36 |
| MinceR | a Desktop Environment perhaps? | Mar 21 21:38 |
| schestowitz | What's that? Clippy?\ | Mar 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Thunar File Browser: Tips, Tricks and Scripts < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/ti... > | Mar 21 21:41 |
| trmanco | http://toastytech.com/evil/billsucks.html -> be careful | Mar 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Someone decided to feed the trolls from IDG (funded in part by Microsoft): http://darrenyates.com.au/?p=1017 | Mar 21 21:43 |
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| _Hicham_1 | Hi All! | Mar 21 21:43 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: but Billie loves ActiveX | Mar 21 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It's anticompetetive | Mar 21 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Good for him, tough for everyone else | Mar 21 21:44 |
| schestowitz | But not all his subordinates are arseholes | Mar 21 21:44 |
| trmanco | I can barely read it | Mar 21 21:44 |
| _Hicham_1 | ActiveX is one of the basics of Windows | Mar 21 21:44 |
| trmanco | it's red | Mar 21 21:44 |
| schestowitz | See his E-mails for details: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content... | Mar 21 21:44 |
| _Hicham_1 | there is a lot of people in Microsoft who were against certain technologies | Mar 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | "Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also." --PearlyG | Mar 21 21:45 |
| trmanco | the X in ActiveX is embarrassing for *nix | Mar 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Like Windows | Mar 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Bad for x windows | Mar 21 21:45 |
| _Hicham_1 | the X stands for porn | Mar 21 21:45 |
| trmanco | it should be activeHole | Mar 21 21:45 |
| trmanco | or something like that | Mar 21 21:45 |
| _Hicham_1 | it means that Windows is an active whore | Mar 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Bad messaging there | Mar 21 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Hole.. pr0n./ | Mar 21 21:46 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Mar 21 21:46 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 21 21:46 |
| trmanco | X marks the spot | Mar 21 21:46 |
| schestowitz | For peeing | Mar 21 21:46 |
| trmanco | no, that's not enough | Mar 21 21:46 |
| schestowitz | This guys marks the spot too: http://www.geekologie.com/2007/10/0... | Mar 21 21:46 |
| trmanco | yeah | Mar 21 21:47 |
| MinceR | the X in OS X is embarrassing for Unix, too :> | Mar 21 21:48 |
| trmanco | pirates | Mar 21 21:49 |
| _Hicham_1 | Gnome must have licensed its ideas | Mar 21 21:49 |
| trmanco | they do a good job with eyecandy though | Mar 21 21:49 |
| _Hicham_1 | and compiz also | Mar 21 21:49 |
| _Hicham_1 | like the trash icon in the apple days | Mar 21 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Drag CD drive to trash | Mar 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Bad metaphor | Mar 21 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Press Start to Shut Down | Mar 21 21:51 |
| trmanco | http://www.tuxradar.com/beginnerscode | Mar 21 21:51 |
| trmanco | monodevelop looks like visual studio | Mar 21 21:52 |
| trmanco | yuck | Mar 21 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/... Old headline was: "Is Oracle Forking Red Hat Linux?" Did Oracle ask him to change it? | Mar 21 21:53 |
| trmanco | "screw mono, this should be a python, perl, or bash tutorial. not freakin' mono!" | Mar 21 21:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: simplifies things in case MS buys Novell | Mar 21 21:53 |
| trmanco | I didn't read the title well | Mar 21 21:54 |
| trmanco | The beginner's guide to coding | Mar 21 21:54 |
| trmanco | ~ ~~~~~~ | Mar 21 21:55 |
| trmanco | hehe | Mar 21 21:55 |
| trmanco | I would of followed the guide if it was in java or some other free language | Mar 21 21:56 |
| schestowitz | First release of nftables < http://lwn.net/Articles/324251/ > | Mar 21 21:56 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: for n00bs like Migi | Mar 21 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Back to VB and Windows 3.1 | Mar 21 21:56 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: new: Free Online Book On Blender: Solid 3D Rendering/Animation Lessons < http://ostatic.com/blog/free-onli... > | Mar 21 21:59 |
| trmanco | nice, to bad I'm not into 3d modeling | Mar 21 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Oh boy. "I'm not the only one reaching out. Our web manager, Dan Lopez, who is up to his eyeballs in coding and design right now, recently contacted the folks at Jupiter Broadcasting, hosts of the Linux Action Show and In Depth series, to get their thoughts on video technology." http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org... | Mar 21 22:03 |
| schestowitz | The Linux Action Show guys are anti-Freedom | Mar 21 22:04 |
| schestowitz | No surprise there. | Mar 21 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation + anti-Freedom = good match | Mar 21 22:04 |
| schestowitz | http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blog... "The first time I joined the #ubuntu-devel channel (slightly under a year ago) and said "hi, um, I have a patch. What do I do?" I was all scared." | Mar 21 22:05 |
| schestowitz | This guy flattened the E-mails but forget to remove the ">" http://www.mandrivafr.org/trac/magnum/wiki/... | Mar 21 22:07 |
| schestowitz | good old gentoo.. all gone! < http://bershath.blogspot.co... >. Sabayon lives on. | Mar 21 22:09 |
| Eruaran | huh ? | Mar 21 22:09 |
| schestowitz | One Laptop Per Child: A Project That Labor Could Turn Around for the Better < http://www.openmediaboston.org/node/590 > Derailed by Microsoft and Intel. | Mar 21 22:12 |
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| Eruaran | Is there still only one guy from Novell doing KDE bindings for Mono/C# ? | Mar 21 23:56 |
| Eruaran | Becuase I think Miguel De Icaza's post is a load of shit. | Mar 21 23:57 |
| Eruaran | "The KDE folks have created some brilliant bindings for Mono and .NET called Qyoto." | Mar 21 23:57 |
| Eruaran | What "KDE folks" ? | Mar 21 23:57 |
| Eruaran | And "bindings" is linked to the Qt website... to no page that relates to anything he's talking about | Mar 21 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: I see two | Mar 21 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Dale and another with a Nordic name | Mar 21 23:58 |
| Eruaran | Both Novell ? | Mar 21 23:59 |
| schestowitz | No. | Mar 21 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Couldn't find a relationship | Mar 21 23:59 |
