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| _Hicham_ | that is MS problem | Mar 29 13:19 |
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| _Hicham_ | and that is why they created codeplex | Mar 29 13:19 |
| _Hicham_ | to gather a community around them | Mar 29 13:20 |
| _Hicham_ | and start cutting off jobs | Mar 29 13:20 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a shift in strategy | Mar 29 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Problem MS has is what all open source project have. | Mar 29 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Cloning. | Mar 29 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Even splashtop has its clones. | Mar 29 13:21 |
| _Hicham_ | r u talking about ReactOS? | Mar 29 13:21 |
| oiaohm | They can only cut there internals so far before there model fails. | Mar 29 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie enough released that there key products can be cloned. | Mar 29 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Splashtop knew that from the start. | Mar 29 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Providing support and good quality support is key. | Mar 29 13:22 |
| oiaohm | MS has not restructured anywhere near enough yet. | Mar 29 13:23 |
| _Hicham_ | what are MS key products? | Mar 29 13:23 |
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| oiaohm | Server side. active directory, sharepoint, exchange. | Mar 29 13:24 |
| oiaohm | All three provide vendor lockin. | Mar 29 13:24 |
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| oiaohm | Client side mostly MS Office. | Mar 29 13:24 |
| oiaohm | MS in theory could live quite well without Windows. | Mar 29 13:25 |
| oiaohm | But they would have to extract a lot more money elsewhere. | Mar 29 13:25 |
| oiaohm | All three of the server side is under attack _Hicham_ | Mar 29 13:26 |
| _Hicham_ | but Windows Development costs them a lot of money | Mar 29 13:27 |
| _Hicham_ | do u mean that they can stop developing Windows? | Mar 29 13:27 |
| oiaohm | MS really depends on the lockin to sell windows. | Mar 29 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Like samba is working on cloning the Active Directory. So ADS server would not be required any more when that happens. If something like freeipa intergrates with it. There would be no management difference between windows and Linux. | Mar 29 13:30 |
| oiaohm | sharepoint has alfresco competing with it. | Mar 29 13:31 |
| _Hicham_ | suppose that Microsoft lost its server market share | Mar 29 13:31 |
| _Hicham_ | could it live without it? | Mar 29 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Nop. | Mar 29 13:31 |
| oiaohm | If MS does not control the server why would people use there more expensive products. | Mar 29 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Exchange holds it place due to no good competitor to outlook on windows. | Mar 29 13:32 |
| oiaohm | MS is basically a card tower. | Mar 29 13:33 |
| _Hicham_ | so they depends on Windows Development | Mar 29 13:33 |
| _Hicham_ | they must continue developing and selling Windows | Mar 29 13:33 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem MS has a min overhead. | Mar 29 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Go under that min overhead die. | Mar 29 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Competitors against them have way lower min overheads. | Mar 29 13:35 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: "BTW anvar sadath responded now saying that it is the recognition to all Free Softweare Community. But He didn't mentioned it in acceptance speech quoted on ODF alliance Press Release & Local media coverage. [...] ODF adoption started when Debina etch supported ODF. we uses custom Debian Distro. Even before that we were using Open Office . Anwar was not the director at that time" | Mar 29 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Spinners... typical Softies | Mar 29 13:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: +1 (re: sub-notebooks) | Mar 29 13:39 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I think they charge $5, not $4 | Mar 29 13:39 |
| schestowitz | That's what I heard | Mar 29 13:39 |
| schestowitz | About factories in China and what they pay for Windows | Mar 29 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Was 5 about 1 month ago. | Mar 29 13:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: reference for 5 people in Splashtop dev team?? | Mar 29 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Chat with owner. | Mar 29 13:41 |
| oiaohm | About 6 months ago. | Mar 29 13:41 |
| oiaohm | So might be out of date. | Mar 29 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Would Office run on sub-notebooks? | Mar 29 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Most of what they do is assemble and test work. | Mar 29 13:41 |
| schestowitz | I came across this isssue | Mar 29 13:42 |
| schestowitz | MSO 09 and 07 are too bloated | Mar 29 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Like Vista vs XP.. | Mar 29 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the sub notebook | Mar 29 13:42 |
| schestowitz | So Microsoft now needs devs to trim it down | Mar 29 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Buti... | Mar 29 13:42 |
| oiaohm | some of the new ones coming out yes. | Mar 29 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Would it be COMPATIBLE (MOOX)? | Mar 29 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Does MS charge for Office on sub-notebooks? | Mar 29 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Like.. what? $500? | Mar 29 13:42 |
| schestowitz | For a $200 PC? | Mar 29 13:43 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Mar 29 13:43 |
| schestowitz | No ODF support even.. | Mar 29 13:43 |
| schestowitz | And sluggish.. | Mar 29 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Gates famously said people wouild pay more for s/w than for h/w | Mar 29 13:43 |
| schestowitz | But for /WHAT/ software? | Mar 29 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Windows XP from 2001? :-D | Mar 29 13:43 |
| oiaohm | That is the other problem MS has. | Mar 29 13:43 |
| schestowitz | $5 apiece.. | Mar 29 13:44 |
| oiaohm | For a long time open source has been fighting with one arm tied behind there back. | Mar 29 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Would you like to supersize it? | Mar 29 13:44 |
| schestowitz | "That'll be another $5" | Mar 29 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Ie gcc cannot optimise well for anything. | Mar 29 13:44 |
| schestowitz | With Cola and fries.. | Mar 29 13:44 |
| oiaohm | That should disappear in the next 12 months. | Mar 29 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Buy happy meal... get XP... | Mar 29 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Making MS base complier a poorer complier than GCC. | Mar 29 13:45 |
| oiaohm | So code optimisation is going to become key. | Mar 29 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Again blowing there operating costs out. | Mar 29 13:45 |
| schestowitz | I'll raise concerns with E-mails regarding ODF without mentioning names.. | Mar 29 13:46 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: some company can make optimised GNU/Linux | Mar 29 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Possible, not ideal | Mar 29 13:47 |
| schestowitz | You are still given the source code | Mar 29 13:47 |
| schestowitz | But GNU faces this competitive LOOPHOLE | Mar 29 13:47 |
| oiaohm | MS using the same complier | Mar 29 13:47 |
| schestowitz | As in, you cannot quite ensure level-playing field... | Mar 29 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Still does not save them from work. | Mar 29 13:47 |
| schestowitz | For one guy vs RHT | Mar 29 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Open source is not 1 guy. | Mar 29 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Isn't CentOS annoying a company like Portland compiler' | Mar 29 13:48 |
| schestowitz | *piler's | Mar 29 13:48 |
| oiaohm | MS builds there OS with there own complier. | Mar 29 13:49 |
| oiaohm | If they are forced to buy like portland to stay ahead it still more overhead. | Mar 29 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Simple problem MS has here is overhead. | Mar 29 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Distributed development open source has reduces the costs on there competitors. | Mar 29 13:50 |
| _Hicham_ | MS have to support its own products | Mar 29 13:50 |
| _Hicham_ | it can't use another compiler | Mar 29 13:50 |
| _Hicham_ | they used to use FreeBSD for their Hotmail servers | Mar 29 13:53 |
| _Hicham_ | but was a long time ago, when the company was still young | Mar 29 13:53 |
| amarsh04 | restarting, trying 2.6.29 kernel with package linux-firmware | Mar 29 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | Good luck to Anthony... | Mar 29 14:02 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Mar 29 14:25 |
| _Hicham_ | wb Eruaran | Mar 29 14:25 |
| Eruaran | hi _Hicham_ | Mar 29 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 29 14:29 |
| Eruaran | hi Roy | Mar 29 14:30 |
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| Eruaran | any news ? | Mar 29 14:35 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : ur current is the main editor of boycottnovell.com? | Mar 29 14:36 |
| _Hicham_ | i mean ur current job | Mar 29 14:37 |
| zer0c00l | darn firegpg crashes firefox :( | Mar 29 14:41 |
| _Hicham_ | Bill Gates is again the richest man on Earth | Mar 29 14:41 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's just Shane and I | Mar 29 14:45 |
| schestowitz | /man/thief/ | Mar 29 14:45 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Mar 29 15:03 |
| *zer0c00l looks | Mar 29 15:08 | |
| schestowitz | Pls report typos | Mar 29 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | Here's a little story for you... | Mar 29 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Someone told me: "This one may have triggered MS move against ZDNet: http://blogs.zdnet.com/th... It's gone from the author's web site as well, disappearing sometime in the last 11 months. You can probably still find it with the wayback machine, but I suppose it is a matter of time before even that makes it to Bill's memory hole." | Mar 29 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | I tried finding why it was removed. | Mar 29 15:11 |
| schestowitz | "The reason is likely the title and the content," my friend told me | Mar 29 15:11 |
| schestowitz | So I asked, ""Is there any reason why the article from http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatc... can no longer be found?"" | Mar 29 15:11 |
| schestowitz | The author then told me: "WHen I stopped blogging for ZDNET I removed that post because it is the most linked to and popular and pulbished at thisisby.us Which just went out of business. Thanks for pointing this out. I will repost to ThreatChaos.com today." | Mar 29 15:11 |
| schestowitz | But will that rescue the LINK? | Mar 29 15:12 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people linked to the ZDNET article | Mar 29 15:12 |
| schestowitz | But it's no longer there! :-o :-o | Mar 29 15:12 |
| schestowitz | So here you have another piece of damning proof that IIS and Windows are security garbage... and the evidence pretty much vanishes | Mar 29 15:12 |
| I had trouble with the internet archive's wayback machine yesterday. | Mar 29 15:12 | |
| It gave me a cache error. | Mar 29 15:13 | |
| works today. :) | Mar 29 15:14 | |
| schestowitz | They migrate | Mar 29 15:18 |
| schestowitz | To Solaris | Mar 29 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Fewer racks too | Mar 29 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Wlow. Digg really decline | Mar 29 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Given the timeouts and error, no surprise there. | Mar 29 15:18 |
| schestowitz | They shot themselves in the foot with those problems... even trmanco has these. | Mar 29 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Their estimates ranks sank | Mar 29 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Turns out that BN did over 6GB of traffic yesterday, despite it being a Saturday and making no front pages | Mar 29 15:20 |
| Ahhhh! Internet Archive on Solaris? Open Solaris? | Mar 29 15:22 | |
| schestowitz | 'Open''? | Mar 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | The Sun is getting in my face right now | Mar 29 15:22 |
| schestowitz | the real sun | Mar 29 15:22 |
| OpenSolaris is an X86 branch Sun has toyed with for a few years. | Mar 29 15:22 | |
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| The article is already gone from the Internet Archive. It may never have been captured. | Mar 29 15:23 | |
| The index jumps from 294 to 330, I think. Do you remember the date or title? | Mar 29 15:24 | |
| Did you capture the article for yourself? | Mar 29 15:24 | |
| schestowitz | Exit route from MSO: http://optolog.com/971.html | Mar 29 15:25 |
| schestowitz | But it can also be used to market MSO, so I dunno. | Mar 29 15:25 |
| schestowitz | twitter: he'll respost it | Mar 29 15:26 |
| cool | Mar 29 15:26 | |
| schestowitz | Heh. Someone just posted this in Miixx: http://consumerist.com/5184514/ema... | Mar 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz | "Bill Gates, Chairman of the Board -billg@microsoft.com | Mar 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Steve Ballmer, CEO - steve@microsoft.com / (425) 706-8448 | Mar 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz | J. Allard, CTO - jallard@microsoft.com | Mar 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Robert Bach, President, Entertainment and Devices Division - rbach@microsoft.com | Mar 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Joe Belfiore, Corporate VP, Entertainment and Devices eHome Division - joeb@microsoft.com | Mar 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Kathleen Hogan, Corporate VP, Worldwide Customer Service - khogan@microsoft.com" | Mar 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz | So now you know who to complain to. | Mar 29 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Tell Robert Bach about the SEC violations he committed for example | Mar 29 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Inside-trading... stealing from MSFT investors | Mar 29 15:28 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy Schestwitz is the richest man on Earth | Mar 29 15:29 |
| _Hicham_ | in 2020 | Mar 29 15:30 |
| schestowitz | What?!? No. | Mar 29 15:34 |
| _Hicham_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0B-... | Mar 29 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Activism doesn't pay. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/... | Mar 29 15:36 |
| schestowitz | CNNNN... | Mar 29 15:37 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* Fantastic | Mar 29 15:38 |
| _Hicham_ | do u see how aware is American Society? | Mar 29 15:39 |
| these are the same addresses we've seen in the anti trust literature | Mar 29 15:39 | |
| schestowitz | "he's from Texas, he's got to be right..." | Mar 29 15:42 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u think of that Roy? | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: not news to me :-) | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz | But they cut just the bits that fit the humour | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Cherry-picking in post editing. | Mar 29 15:42 |
| _Hicham_ | that what makes America strong | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I enjoyed this video | Mar 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes, ignorance | Mar 29 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Fox Noooz | Mar 29 15:43 |
| _Hicham_ | well, MS customers are all like that | Mar 29 15:43 |
| _Hicham_ | how will u convince them Roy? | Mar 29 15:44 |
| _Hicham_ | at some point Windows Developers are like that | Mar 29 15:44 |
| _Hicham_ | how can u convince such people Roy | Mar 29 15:45 |
| _Hicham_ | give me a concrete plan | Mar 29 15:45 |
| _Hicham_ | i u were to convince these people to use Linux | Mar 29 15:45 |
| _Hicham_ | tell me | Mar 29 15:45 |
| _Hicham_ | imagine urself in front of one of those | Mar 29 15:45 |
| You don't have to imagine, just take a camera outside. | Mar 29 15:46 | |
| It does not matter where you are, the results will be the same. | Mar 29 15:47 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: see Homesteaders in the Hood < http://www.slate.com/id/2214544/... > | Mar 29 15:47 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: same problem | Mar 29 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Brainwash | Mar 29 15:47 |
| schestowitz | It's powerful | Mar 29 15:47 |
| the cure is knowledge, which comes from freedom. | Mar 29 15:48 | |
| schestowitz | John posted the following to BN just minutes ago: "This is why many religious extremists oppose education - it's easy to control the ignorant. " http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/... | Mar 29 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Remember that some say that 89% of the population of the US is religious | Mar 29 15:48 |
| schestowitz | In the sense that it believes in God anyway | Mar 29 15:48 |
| It's easy to get stupid answers from people when you shock them with a camera and world audience. | Mar 29 15:48 | |
| schestowitz | And they still mis-educate kids | Mar 29 15:48 |
| schestowitz | About all sorts of things | Mar 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz | And then there's television | Mar 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz | People ask why we debate politics | Mar 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Well, it has a lot to do with Microsoft | Mar 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Becuase of: 1) parallels; 2) Microsoft's political games | Mar 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz | The latter is scarcely covered in the media | Mar 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Show in an article in CNN for example where they discuss an OOXML corruption (just one among many) from Microsoft | Mar 29 15:50 |
| schestowitz | It's unheard of | Mar 29 15:50 |
| schestowitz | They write about Dolphins and Bush's ranch. | Mar 29 15:50 |
| TV news is dying. | Mar 29 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | Aye | Mar 29 15:50 |
| schestowitz | But they fight back | Mar 29 15:50 |
| schestowitz | They want to still public money to keep themselvbes alive | Mar 29 15:50 |
| they can't fight a lack of advertisers. | Mar 29 15:50 | |
| schestowitz | Creating the illusion that they are accurate | Mar 29 15:50 |
| schestowitz | And misportraying YouTUbe too (I posted a link earlier) | Mar 29 15:51 |
| schestowitz | If someone disagrees with them, they use labels like "Radicals" or "crackpot" | Mar 29 15:51 |
| yes, broadcast is toxic like that. | Mar 29 15:51 | |
| it will take generations to heal | Mar 29 15:52 | |
| but it's happening. | Mar 29 15:52 | |
| schestowitz | They make enocmies | Mar 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | *Enemies | Mar 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | For national reasons | Mar 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft always looks for threats too | Mar 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Like Google, Linux.. | Mar 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Then attacks it | Mar 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz | At a national level it's also to do with keeping internal affairs in check | Mar 29 15:54 |
| schestowitz | In order to maintain local stability you must distract | Mar 29 15:54 |
| schestowitz | So you make external enemies | Mar 29 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Like Red Threat, China, Islam... | Mar 29 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Then you have people fight those imaginary enemies | Mar 29 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Instead of unite and fight for democracy | Mar 29 15:54 |
| schestowitz | This way corporocracy can be preserved | Mar 29 15:54 |
| schestowitz | You just need to divert hatred towards outsiders | Mar 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Then attack them and have the popultion always feel 'under war' | Mar 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz | This leads to less demands, more obedience, patriotism | Mar 29 15:55 |
| OK, I have my answer | Mar 29 15:59 | |
| schestowitz | Enablement of laws for banishment of stuff is another valuable mechanism... PATRIOT act and all.. | Mar 29 15:59 |
| -> (10:53:05 AM) _Hicham_: well, MS customers are all like that | Mar 29 15:59 | |
| -> (10:53:14 AM) _Hicham_: how will u convince them Roy? | Mar 29 15:59 | |
| All people are like this. M$ works hard to keep them that way. | Mar 29 16:00 | |
| It's easy to convince people | Mar 29 16:00 | |
| just show them something better. | Mar 29 16:00 | |
| schestowitz | Not always enough | Mar 29 16:00 |
| schestowitz | You have lock-in | Mar 29 16:01 |
| schestowitz | technical and habitual as I like to call it | Mar 29 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Technical = different formats/protocols | Mar 29 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Habitual = as Linus put is "better is worse if it's different" | Mar 29 16:01 |
| lock in is painful, the solution is to move. the sooner they move the better off they are | Mar 29 16:01 | |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 29 16:01 |
| schestowitz | GNU has articles about all these things | Mar 29 16:01 |
| schestowitz | But people are busy watching Fox | Mar 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz | I mean, not engineers | Mar 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz | People | Mar 29 16:02 |
| Windoze is different every two years or so, just for the sake of it. | Mar 29 16:02 | |
| schestowitz | Learning about how White Knight Gatessaves kittens | Mar 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Because the money drives perception | Mar 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Since at least 1920. | Mar 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz | You could even turn women to smokers | Mar 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | I.e. assassinate them slowly for cash | Mar 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | And get away with it | Mar 29 16:03 |
| talking to people works, your publication works, the truth is working | Mar 29 16:03 | |
| schestowitz | Podiums are another thing | Mar 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | YouTube is massive. | Mar 29 16:03 |
| every time M$ puts up a roadblock, they wreck something useful and make a new oportunity | Mar 29 16:04 | |
| schestowitz | Wtach this talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?... | Mar 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | I watched it last night | Mar 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Therein he talks about how Google gives people a good platform | Mar 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | To reach millions of people within a day | Mar 29 16:05 |
| people may be ignorant, harassed and angry about a lot of things but they are NOT STUPID. | Mar 29 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | And the Big Boyz don't like it, obviously | Mar 29 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Another thing is fair use and mashup that makes it legal to produce professional videos quickly. | Mar 29 16:05 |
| reliance on Google and other third parties is not good. it gives a single throat to strangle | Mar 29 16:06 | |
| youtube is a good beginning but we need real network freedom | Mar 29 16:06 | |
| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.c... (Phished by Visa) | Mar 29 16:07 |
| schestowitz | twitter: there are other services like Google's YouTube | Mar 29 16:07 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, we need net neutrality | Mar 29 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Not having ISPs interfere with Web video | Mar 29 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Then you can have services that are run like P2P for streaming | Mar 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Does such a thing already exist? | Mar 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Like Ogg streaming that's distributed and decentralised (and encrypted of course)? | Mar 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | If not, then balzac should take a look at it | Mar 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | It's a goof idea right there. | Mar 29 16:08 |
| schestowitz | *good | Mar 29 16:08 |
| _Hicham_ | u should put a streaming server on boycottnovell.com | Mar 29 16:14 |
| _Hicham_ | to broadcast a live stream | Mar 29 16:14 |
| _Hicham_ | the US will extend terrorism notion | Mar 29 16:15 |
| _Hicham_ | to include more people | Mar 29 16:15 |
| _Hicham_ | and u may be called a terrorist some day Roy | Mar 29 16:15 |
| we should all be able to host video | Mar 29 16:19 | |
| and share | Mar 29 16:20 | |
| that's what p2p is about | Mar 29 16:20 | |
| cable companies blocked basic web services. p2p filled the gap. | Mar 29 16:20 | |
| the war will continue until the broadcasters go bankrupt | Mar 29 16:21 | |
| even then, governments may fight on | Mar 29 16:21 | |
| broadcasters already have powerful laws to use against people who share, regardless of who "owns" what's being shared. | Mar 29 16:22 | |
| _Hicham_ | P2P broadcasting is really great | Mar 29 16:23 |
| _Hicham_ | I can't wait to see that | Mar 29 16:23 |
| you don't have to wait, just go download what you want to watch | Mar 29 16:23 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, we can do a video server | Mar 29 16:24 |
| schestowitz | But only for stuff we produce | Mar 29 16:24 |
| schestowitz | You can't just copy from other sites | Mar 29 16:24 |
| that was hicham's idea | Mar 29 16:24 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, terrorism means those who make us (country leaders) afraid | Mar 29 16:24 |
| yes, it's a shame that you have to ask permission to share video | Mar 29 16:24 | |
| schestowitz | Going by the strict defintion of the word "terrorism", the US is a leading terrorist state | Mar 29 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Based on its deeds alone | Mar 29 16:25 |
| I want to be able to share videos right from my house. | Mar 29 16:25 | |
| schestowitz | It uses fear to accoplish goals | Mar 29 16:25 |
| _Hicham_ | what is the definition of "terrorism"? | Mar 29 16:25 |
| I pay for bandwith and would like to be able to use it as I please. | Mar 29 16:25 | |
| schestowitz | And it demotes leaders using their fear of violence if it does not like them. | Mar 29 16:25 |
| schestowitz | /s/of/or/ | Mar 29 16:25 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no standard definition | Mar 29 16:26 |
| _Hicham_ | what is known is the US definition | Mar 29 16:26 |
| schestowitz | It would be nice if more Americans came to this realisation | Mar 29 16:26 |
| schestowitz | And tried to reform the bahaviour of their government | Mar 29 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Many people voice this view publicly | Mar 29 16:26 |
| _Hicham_ | US have redefined terrorism after 9/11 | Mar 29 16:26 |
| schestowitz | It's rather normal these days, but not in Fox when it's dissently and marginalised | Mar 29 16:26 |
| _Hicham_ | and the terrorism that we know, is the pre-9/11 notion | Mar 29 16:27 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: the definition you can find from US military. | Mar 29 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Mar 29 16:27 |
| _Hicham_ | i mean post | Mar 29 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Cause I read it before | Mar 29 16:27 |
| _Hicham_ | post-9/11 notion | Mar 29 16:27 |
| schestowitz | "the use of violence against civilians in order to achieve certain political aims." | Mar 29 16:28 |
| schestowitz | That's the definitoon | Mar 29 16:28 |
| schestowitz | This is the definitioon from the US state | Mar 29 16:28 |
| amarsh04 | it would have to also include threats of violence, schestowitz | Mar 29 16:29 |
| schestowitz | "There are universal moral principles which apply equally to individuals as well as groups of individuals (including states); among these universal principles are severe restrictions on the killing of civilians." | Mar 29 16:30 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, but not by *this* definition, I think | Mar 29 16:30 |
| schestowitz | There are stories about South America and how journalists were cut with machetes for not obeying the military coup or whatever. | Mar 29 16:30 |
| schestowitz | So basically, some said that if they don't leave the country and stop publishing, they might due. | Mar 29 16:31 |
| schestowitz | *die | Mar 29 16:31 |
| schestowitz | It's actually complicated | Mar 29 16:31 |
| schestowitz | A states can recruit and train groups to do the terrorism by proxy | Mar 29 16:31 |
| amarsh04 | that's what I was afraid of, schestowitz... fear of violence is enough to stop many people doing what should be perfectly legitimate | Mar 29 16:31 |
| _Hicham_ | the fear is a sharp weapon | Mar 29 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Like... if the CIA trains a group to overthrow Chavez and the group threatens lives, does that count as US terrorism? | Mar 29 16:32 |
| amarsh04 | agreed, or HP doing pretexting by proxy | Mar 29 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Likewise with MS smear campains | Mar 29 16:32 |
| schestowitz | A lot of the time Microsoft uses its cronies out there to do the smears | Mar 29 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Or SCO to do lawsuits.. | Mar 29 16:32 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: ahhh. yes... H-P | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Waggener Endromm is the same | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz | *Spelling | Mar 29 16:33 |
| _Hicham_ | MS and Novell may sue u Roy | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz | They pressure journalists | Mar 29 16:33 |
| _Hicham_ | for cutting their profits | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft came to you and asked to change your article, you'd be not so thrilled | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz | But if some agency does it, then it's OK | Mar 29 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Same with the laptop brbes | Mar 29 16:34 |
| schestowitz | It came via Edelman and W-E | Mar 29 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hires shills this way | Mar 29 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Always by proxy | Mar 29 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Same with smears | Mar 29 16:34 |
| schestowitz | And spying | Mar 29 16:34 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they would achieve nothing by suing | Mar 29 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Just more bad publicity for them | Mar 29 16:34 |
| schestowitz | I've got no money, I'm not a company or a newspaper | Mar 29 16:34 |
| schestowitz | SCO tried to attack Groklaw | Mar 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz | It backfired | Mar 29 16:35 |
| _Hicham_ | then they may kill u | Mar 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz | So they stepped back | Mar 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you'll guard me :-) | Mar 29 16:35 |
| _Hicham_ | why if they hire a hitman to execute u? | Mar 29 16:35 |
| _Hicham_ | why not | Mar 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz | It would be suspicious | Mar 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz | And I doubt it | Mar 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz | They wouldn't go for me | Mar 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz | They would go after more important people | Mar 29 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Like RMS.. | Mar 29 16:35 |
| _Hicham_ | RMS doesn't attack them directly | Mar 29 16:36 |
| _Hicham_ | are u sure that u can't be bribed? | Mar 29 16:38 |
| schestowitz | To shut up? | Mar 29 16:41 |
| schestowitz | No way | Mar 29 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Also, that would never happen | Mar 29 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Had they tried to bribe dissenter, they'd get exposed and maybe sued. | Mar 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz | They would have to be insane to offer bribes to suppress critics. It would be leaked by the one to whom bribe is presented | Mar 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | Mar 29 16:43 |
| schestowitz | back in 2 hours..... | Mar 29 16:47 |
| _Hicham_ | ok | Mar 29 16:48 |
| _Hicham_ | take care | Mar 29 16:48 |
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| mib_gxn3nq | hi | Mar 29 17:16 |
| mib_gxn3nq | It's roy | Mar 29 17:16 |
| mib_gxn3nq | at the gym | Mar 29 17:16 |
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| The more violent and horrible oppressors are, the more they should be opposed. | Mar 29 17:30 | |
| M$ works to convert or economically ruin dissenters. | Mar 29 17:30 | |
| The main means of conversion and thwarting is "interoperability" | Mar 29 17:31 | |
| There are lots of ways M$ can waste people's time like that, but there's only so many projects they can fund. | Mar 29 17:32 | |
| You've seen it in the SLOG DOC, where analysts and media people are dismissed as people easy to buy and screw. | Mar 29 17:33 | |
| I've also seen it here in Baton Rouge. The leader of both the Baton Rouge Linux User's group and LSU's Linux User's Group were sucked up. | Mar 29 17:34 | |
| _Hicham_ | who won't be sucked up? | Mar 29 17:35 |
| _Hicham_ | it he is jobless | Mar 29 17:35 |
| It's hard to turn down good paying work, and so these people both ended up with Windows as the center of their computing world. | Mar 29 17:35 | |
| I won't be sucked up. I'd rather clean toilets than learn .NET and other M$ shit. | Mar 29 17:35 | |
| For me, working for M$ is the ethical equivalent of working for China. | Mar 29 17:36 | |
| M$ is a mortal enemy of freedom. | Mar 29 17:36 | |
| _Hicham_ | what if they propose u $20k/month? | Mar 29 17:37 |
| no good will come of it, no thanks | Mar 29 17:37 | |
| _Hicham_ | so u prefer ethics to money? | Mar 29 17:38 |
| yes | Mar 29 17:39 | |
| _Hicham_ | that is great | Mar 29 17:39 |
| _Hicham_ | i don't see people like that very much | Mar 29 17:39 |
| _Hicham_ | almost all people I know prefer money | Mar 29 17:39 |
| the more I've learned about M$, the less willing I've become to even work with their crap. | Mar 29 17:40 | |
| _Hicham_ | so u never done a project on Windows? | Mar 29 17:41 |
| I can and might have to be a user, and I may have to help users, but I won't work for M$ or an affiliate. | Mar 29 17:41 | |
| I've used Windows and DOS for several jobs. | Mar 29 17:41 | |
| _Hicham_ | did u develop a project for Windows ? | Mar 29 17:42 |
| At the worst, I knew a little about the win95 api and used it to make data display and analysis programs. | Mar 29 17:42 | |
| my recent thesis work required me to use Windows for data acquisition | Mar 29 17:42 | |
| I did not, thankfully, have to program to Windows | Mar 29 17:43 | |
| currently, I'm working with a professor who has a Visual Studio dll that must be used. | Mar 29 17:43 | |
| _Hicham_ | why u have to use Windows for data acquisition? | Mar 29 17:43 |
| _Hicham_ | the msvcrt80.dll? | Mar 29 17:43 |
| I used it because the hardware was already built for some important components. | Mar 29 17:44 | |
| _Hicham_ | couldn't u use Wine? | Mar 29 17:44 |
| My professor thought it would be quicker to use those components than rebuild things with better hardware. | Mar 29 17:44 | |
| the dll is specific to the project. I'm going to compile and run on wine if I can. It would be much better that way, but I can't get around the dll. | Mar 29 17:45 | |
| _Hicham_ | do u have the source code for the dll? | Mar 29 17:46 |
| no | Mar 29 17:46 | |
| I'm stuck using it if I want to help my professor. | Mar 29 17:46 | |
| _Hicham_ | u have to use MSVC compiler too | Mar 29 17:47 |
| _Hicham_ | u can't use gcc | Mar 29 17:48 |
| _Hicham_ | since names decoration differ | Mar 29 17:48 |
| _Hicham_ | so u will end up using MS Visual Studio | Mar 29 17:48 |
| Yeah, I know. It won't even work on compilers for Mac - M$ crap is that booby trapped. | Mar 29 17:48 | |
| _Hicham_ | u have to ask for the dll source code | Mar 29 17:49 |
| _Hicham_ | if u can obtain it | Mar 29 17:49 |
| _Hicham_ | or try reverse engineering | Mar 29 17:50 |
| it is not my place to ask and reverse engineering would take too long. | Mar 29 17:51 | |
| _Hicham_ | where do u study? in the US? | Mar 29 17:52 |
| yes | Mar 29 17:52 | |
| _Hicham_ | and US professors use Windows ... | Mar 29 17:53 |
| I've done a lot of work at LSU. | Mar 29 17:53 | |
| _Hicham_ | what a shame | Mar 29 17:53 |
| _Hicham_ | ! | Mar 29 17:53 |
| No, they don't all use Windows but there is great pressure. | Mar 29 17:53 | |
| LSU and Louisiana signed a scandalous single source contract with Dell. You can get gnu/linux now, but it's limited. | Mar 29 17:54 | |
| _Hicham_ | the professors in here all use Windows | Mar 29 17:55 |
| Everything I do with Windows is painful and awful. | Mar 29 17:55 | |
| _Hicham_ | I developed an encryption software last year on Linux | Mar 29 17:55 |
| _Hicham_ | but I had to port it to Windows | Mar 29 17:56 |
| fun, fun, fun | Mar 29 17:56 | |
| _Hicham_ | because the professor doesn't use Linux | Mar 29 17:56 |
| _Hicham_ | thank's to RedHat's Cygwin, now it is easier to port Unix Project to Windows | Mar 29 17:57 |
| that's for sure | Mar 29 17:57 | |
| encryption on a backdoored system like Windows is sort of a waste of time, isn't it? | Mar 29 17:58 | |
| _Hicham_ | sure it is | Mar 29 17:59 |
| _Hicham_ | one of things that I was thinking of | Mar 29 17:59 |
| _Hicham_ | the keys protection mechanism | Mar 29 18:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I failed to find a reliable model on Windows | Mar 29 18:00 |
| _Hicham_ | On Linux, securing the keys wasn't hard | Mar 29 18:00 |
| I'm reading Roy's "unruly media" email. Very funny stuff. | Mar 29 18:02 | |
| "up your street" where do they get crap like that? | Mar 29 18:02 | |
| bbl | Mar 29 18:03 | |
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| zer0c00l | my maiden drupal website http://www.mepcoeng.ac.in:... | Mar 29 18:36 |
| zer0c00l | does it look good | Mar 29 18:36 |
| *zer0c00l expects feedback ;) | Mar 29 18:36 | |
| zer0c00l | its not officially launched lot of work has to be done | Mar 29 18:41 |
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| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Mar 29 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft shoots itself in the foot. | Mar 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I've just come back from the gym (I accessed IRC from there BTW) and the guy who works there said he had "lost the key" | Mar 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz | After he said it 3 times I asked him which key | Mar 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Turned out it was Windows key | Mar 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz | He's locked out | Mar 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz | So I got his reading about KDE4 and he got glued to the screen for a long time :-) | Mar 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: I can't reach that server | Mar 29 18:58 |
| schestowitz | It times out | Mar 29 18:58 |
| zer0c00l | :( | Mar 29 19:00 |
| zer0c00l | will check it out | Mar 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Gracelyne Fernando just mailed me | Mar 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Nuisance | Mar 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | I think you got her knickers in a tizzy by showing how she had been screwing the Indian population for criminals like Ballmer | Mar 29 19:01 |
| schestowitz | I hope she takes some time to think what she's done | Mar 29 19:01 |
| zer0c00l | yes | Mar 29 19:02 |
| zer0c00l | what she sent? | Mar 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's latest folly in patents: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/29... And in India: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/29... | Mar 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Took lots of work to write those | Mar 29 19:03 |
| MinceR | 210523 <@schestowitz> Microsoft shoots itself in the foot. | Mar 29 19:04 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: never mind. Private mail. But I'm appalled at how greedy people are and how stupid by imposition they can be (brainwashed to believe that "war is peace"^tm and "suppression is free (gratis)") | Mar 29 19:04 |
| MinceR | it's more like they're holding a machine gun at their foot set to full auto and they have the trigger pulled | Mar 29 19:04 |
| zer0c00l | she is kind of obnoxious | Mar 29 19:04 |
| MinceR | and it's belt fed | Mar 29 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Strong icture | Mar 29 19:04 |
| zer0c00l | let her cool down :P | Mar 29 19:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: belt on the foot? | Mar 29 19:05 |
| MinceR | perhaps | Mar 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Whoa! | Mar 29 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Almost no "Microsoft" news in the past week | Mar 29 19:07 |
| schestowitz | It indicates they become less relevant | Mar 29 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Only 380 matches | Mar 29 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Used to be over 500 some months ago... | Mar 29 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Let'\s so Vista vs Vista7 check | Mar 29 19:07 |
| schestowitz | The 'vapourware test' | Mar 29 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Watch two evil marketing companies hookin' up: http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Cok... | Mar 29 19:08 |
| schestowitz | "Hi, my name is Joe and I used to work for Microsoft... now I live in the park bench.." http://www.techflash.com/Laid_off_a... < Could laid off Microsoft workers spark a new innovation wave? > | Mar 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat had no layoffs. Same with Debian | Mar 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz | "Vista" news: # of results: 2 | Mar 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Headline: "Acer sued for shipping Vista-book with GB of memory" | Mar 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Already covered in BN | Mar 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Second headline: "The Curtain Falls On Windows Vista's "SideShow" - Washington Post" | Mar 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Also covered in BN | Mar 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Moving on to Vista 7... | Mar 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Matching "dows 7": 10 | Mar 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Vista (today's flagship): 2 | Mar 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Vapourware: 10 | Mar 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Keep track of the score | Mar 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is embarrassed with what it has | Mar 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | It lives in future fantasies | Mar 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft lets new Windows 7 date slip - VNUNet.com" | Mar 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Surprise, surprise. | Mar 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Make hype, pull away. | Mar 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | OOOH! oooo! It's LEAK! | Mar 29 19:12 |
| zer0c00l | lol "Reza,Sid handle a cool session called “Win7,IE8,9 lives of students - The three musketeers” | Mar 29 19:12 |
| zer0c00l | if the next os comes in they will change it | Mar 29 19:12 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: where? | Mar 29 19:12 |
| zer0c00l | her blog | Mar 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | 2010? | Mar 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Vista Anothe7 G7? | Mar 29 19:13 |
| zer0c00l | http://gracelyne.wordpress.com/2009/... | Mar 29 19:13 |
| zer0c00l | what to say | Mar 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | “I have lost my sleep and peace of mind for last two months over these distasteful activities by Microsoft.” –Professor Deepak Phatak IIT bombay | Mar 29 19:14 |
| zer0c00l | yes | Mar 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz | And she's helping this Bully Corporation | Mar 29 19:14 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz | She's helping harrassment of poor professors who defend India | Mar 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Quote the bit he wrote about looting his country | Mar 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Show her what she helps do | Mar 29 19:14 |
| zer0c00l | i am keep telling | Mar 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | She's helping the "invaders" | Mar 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Itll get to them eventually | Mar 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Gets them thinking | Mar 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Like RaSa | Mar 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | RaSh | Mar 29 19:15 |
| zer0c00l | RaSh | Mar 29 19:15 |
| zer0c00l | yes | Mar 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Mar 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Echo here | Mar 29 19:15 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Mar 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | beat me to it! | Mar 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Shane O'neill (Ballmer's friend) is attacking Linux in IDG again | Mar 29 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Really, these people need to kick out the MS shills from IDG | Mar 29 19:18 |
| schestowitz | NetworkWorld in this case. | Mar 29 19:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/news/200... <<--Shane O'neill does nothign these days but boost Microsoft and just attack Linux | Mar 29 19:18 |
| schestowitz | If Linux is not a threat, then why does he keep attacking it? | Mar 29 19:18 |
| schestowitz | He never even USED Linux | Mar 29 19:18 |
| schestowitz | He met Ballmer last month and ever since he has attacked Linux like a motor | Mar 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz | From now on I shall refer to him as "little ballmer" | Mar 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cio.com/article/486083... | Mar 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en... | Mar 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | "Another tech analyst, Tim Bajarin, president of consulting firm Creative Strategies, believes that Google will eventually extend Android to netbooks, but not until early to mid 2010." | Mar 29 19:20 |
| schestowitz | The whole article is an anti-Linux smear | Mar 29 19:20 |
| zer0c00l | "What I will do, on the other hand, is give a Disclaimer before my session[on doze], so that if there’s some freedom fighter (or someone who’s seriously into Terminator), then they may not use the MS product. Happy?" ->RaSh wrote after felt sorry in BN . Its like adding statuary waring before teaching people to smoke cigarets | Mar 29 19:22 |
| zer0c00l | cigaret smoking is injuries to health | Mar 29 19:22 |
| zer0c00l | these people are hard to change | Mar 29 19:22 |
| zer0c00l | http://gracelyne.wordpress.com/200... comment no 43 | Mar 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz | It's time for me to do a post about little ballmer too | Mar 29 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe tomorrow | Mar 29 19:23 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: whats the time there 8.30 pm? | Mar 29 19:23 |
| schestowitz | YEs | Mar 29 19:25 |
| schestowitz | DST just kicked in last night | Mar 29 19:25 |
| zer0c00l | i am just adjusting my fedora clock to match manchester | Mar 29 19:25 |
| zer0c00l | :) | Mar 29 19:25 |
| zer0c00l | we dont use DST | Mar 29 19:27 |
| zer0c00l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... | Mar 29 19:27 |
| zer0c00l | *dst is no longer used | Mar 29 19:27 |
| schestowitz | XBox disaster galore this week: | Mar 29 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Errors: http://games.slashdot.org/articl... http://www.talkxbox.com/article3097.html | Mar 29 19:30 |
| schestowitz | DST is useless | Mar 29 19:30 |
| schestowitz | It's from farming dats | Mar 29 19:30 |
| schestowitz | *days | Mar 29 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Xbox designer accuses Microsoft of homophobia < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechn... > | Mar 29 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Xbox designer sues Microsoft for harassment < http://www.neoseeker.com/news/1023... > | Mar 29 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Wants You to Pay for E74 Repairs on Xbox 360s over a year old < http://blog.seattlepi.com/digitaljoysti... | Mar 29 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Inside Microsoft's Worst Hard Time < http://rcpmag.com/columns/ar... > | Mar 29 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Panis chamber.. | Mar 29 19:35 |
| schestowitz | *Panic | Mar 29 19:35 |
| schestowitz | brb | Mar 29 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | How to diagnose and defeat the dangerous Conficker worm < http://blogs.usatoday.com/technolo... > Intructions for Linux conspicuously are missing | Mar 29 19:58 |
| MinceR | instructions to upgrade to linux in order to immunze the computer? | Mar 29 20:01 |
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| MinceR | s/nze/nize/ | Mar 29 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | Just sarcasm. Hey, I've realised we now get over 1000 UIPs a day via Google | Mar 29 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Over 50 search for "boycott novell" or "boycottnovell" so the name is recognised | Mar 29 20:02 |
| schestowitz | over 50/day that is | Mar 29 20:03 |
| schestowitz | There are some real bombs in the news for MSFT | Mar 29 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I'll post some tomorrow | Mar 29 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | Bill Gates: Philanthropist or Profiteering Polluter? < http://www.whale.to/a/bill_gates1.html > | Mar 29 20:13 |
| schestowitz | UPDATE: Charter Communications Files For Chapter 11 Bankruptcy < http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/a... > | Mar 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Guess what? Even the New York Times is in debt: http://www.reuters.com/article/id... | Mar 29 20:24 |
| schestowitz | That may spell the death of one of the longest-standing papers maybe. No Idea how old WSJ is... and other older ones... | Mar 29 20:24 |
| schestowitz | New Internet Explorer Errors < http://toastytech.com/evil/ieerrors.html > | Mar 29 20:28 |
| schestowitz | With NBC run by GE and such this is madness.... companies owning the reporting media that speaks about them and their competitors | Mar 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | [Or don't speak... e.g. Linux] | Mar 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | More Microsoft dumping of Office: "The Ultimate Steal Promotion saves students up to 91 percent off the estimated retail price when downloading Microsoft Office Ultimate 2007. REDMOND, Wash., March 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ " | Mar 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | The abusive monopolist is doing PR stunts in the UK for publicity... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/... ; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/educat... | Mar 29 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft employee assaulted and robbed in West Seattle < http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattl... > | Mar 29 20:43 |
| schestowitz | The US is expected to have a sharp rise in crime due to unemployment. The UK has curfews. | Mar 29 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Twitter sold out: mocoNews - Twitter Gets Business Model For Third Birthday < http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn... > http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... http://www.readwriteweb.com/arch... | Mar 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) new Web browser includes privacy functions that may assuage U.S. government concerns about the collection of personal data, a key element of an emerging technology the software giant is counting on to bolster its Internet advertising business." http://online.wsj.com/... | Mar 29 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Bull. Vista has forensics built in........ but not for the users, for the cops | Mar 29 20:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.efluxmedia.com/new... "Aodhan Cullen, StatCounter founder and CEO, described the users’ reaction to the launch of IE8 as “underwhelming”" | Mar 29 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Check out this page: http://www.i4u.com/article23864.html Click on the girl at the bottom. See how they encourage using girls as objects... appendices to hardware gadgets. This is insulting and degrading. Why would sites about technology combine it with sex to make sales? | Mar 29 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft brings Web poison to the platform it also fights... http://visualstudiomagazine.com/n... Will Miguel and Gang be the next to participate in such stuff? | Mar 29 20:59 |
| *_Hicham_ (n=hicham@41.249.67.224) has joined #boycottnovell | Mar 29 21:09 | |
| _Hicham_ | Fat Roy | Mar 29 21:11 |
| _Hicham_ | u went to the gym? | Mar 29 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is looking for cheap labour (who would volunteer to them?): http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kit-eato... | Mar 29 21:12 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes | Mar 29 21:12 |
| _Hicham_ | would do u like to go help them? | Mar 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Twitter sold out to Microsoft (AstroTurfing part of their spiel now): http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/23/the-... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tec... Shame really. | Mar 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Yes, I'll hold the pistol next to the foot while they squeeze the trigger ;-) | Mar 29 21:13 |
| _Hicham_ | did u ever see the apache torture? | Mar 29 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Some crappy company called "NaviSite" helps Microsoft molest other companies with the BizSpark lockin | Mar 29 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Apache? | Mar 29 21:15 |
| schestowitz | The tribe? | Mar 29 21:15 |
| _Hicham_ | http://debian.fmi.uni-s... | Mar 29 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft likes its supporter dead, not tortured. http://www.internetnews.com/bus-n... | Mar 29 21:16 |
| _Hicham_ | here u go | Mar 29 21:16 |
| _Hicham_ | did u see the special way of torture? | Mar 29 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I think I was this many years ago | Mar 29 21:17 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u think of this kind of torture? | Mar 29 21:17 |
| _Hicham_ | :D | Mar 29 21:17 |
| MinceR | looks more like execution | Mar 29 21:18 |
| schestowitz | AstroTurf as Twitter biz mode. Shame on them, esp. when they sell out to a criminal company. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03... Facebook sold out to the same criminal company (with extensive records) | Mar 29 21:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "killing me softly" | Mar 29 21:19 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't call it soft :> | Mar 29 21:20 |
| *lis` has quit ("baibai<3") | Mar 29 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | NASA liaises with the criminal too, which is strange because NASA does lots of Windows. http://www.dailytech.com/Intern... | Mar 29 21:24 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : u should give a speech on Youtube | Mar 29 21:25 |
| schestowitz | About what? | Mar 29 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Pieter: http://boycottnovell.com/20... | Mar 29 21:26 |
| _Hicham_ | About the Big Corporations Crimes | Mar 29 21:27 |
| _Hicham_ | did u start the wiki? | Mar 29 21:27 |
| this twitter never sold out to M$. | Mar 29 21:28 | |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's in progress | Mar 29 21:28 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna do some tomorrow, but no time.... | Mar 29 21:28 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/... (Twitter, Seeking Revenue, Launches Microsoft-Sponsored Site ) | Mar 29 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Also here: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeed... | Mar 29 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll go bankrupt together | Mar 29 21:30 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Let me elaborate | Mar 29 21:30 |
| schestowitz | It's a tradeoffs | Mar 29 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft commits many crimes all the time | Mar 29 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I have in my text editor about 7 sins right now that I want to post | Mar 29 21:31 |
| schestowitz | So organising old ones means not keeping track of new ones | Mar 29 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw had a similar tradeoff | Mar 29 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Follow news vs. organise old news | Mar 29 21:31 |
| schestowitz | So it took a break from news | Mar 29 21:31 |
| schestowitz | PJ from Groklaw did a recording here (as Ogg): http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasi... | Mar 29 21:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/pd... | Mar 29 21:32 |
| schestowitz | This is because she never even posted a photo publicly | Mar 29 21:33 |
| _Hicham_ | nice voice | Mar 29 21:33 |
| _Hicham_ | she must be a hotty | Mar 29 21:34 |
| _Hicham_ | who is this chick? | Mar 29 21:36 |
| It's a shame the Los Angeles Times did not serve it's archive. The original article about M$'s big and embarrassing astro-turf was much better. | Mar 29 21:36 | |
| schestowitz | Who is this David Coursey who wrote "Why Microsoft Should Buy Facebook" in IDG? | Mar 29 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Seems like an awkward thing to write now that MS has no money left. | Mar 29 21:37 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you don't know Groklaw? | Mar 29 21:37 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Mar 29 21:38 |
| M$ pretends it has money. | Mar 29 21:38 | |
| They get their supporters to carry on as if M$ still had $60 billion left. | Mar 29 21:39 | |
| I'd like to know how much they actually have now. | Mar 29 21:39 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe big debt | Mar 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Nobody knows | Mar 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Until one day it drops like a rock | Mar 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Like SCO | Mar 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz | [with CHapter 11 out of the blue] | Mar 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft was caught for fraud before | Mar 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz | By an insider | Mar 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Surely they still do this | Mar 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz | They are just more careful about hiring whistleblow-inclines accountants | Mar 29 21:41 |
| schestowitz | *inclined | Mar 29 21:41 |
| *_Hicham_ has quit ("Leaving.") | Mar 29 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | Yuck.. DTS Systeme Completes Linux (Mono) Web-based OS Deployment Tool < http://linux.sys-con.c... > | Mar 29 21:42 |
| Another M$ security failure -> A Microsoft employee was Maced and punched until he blacked out .... He was missing his state identification card, Bank of America debit card, $60 and the SECURITY BADGE he uses as a cook at Microsoft. | Mar 29 21:47 | |
| *schestowitz install Adobe AIR. | Mar 29 21:47 | |
| schestowitz | Is it just partially open source? | Mar 29 21:47 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK it is | Mar 29 21:47 |
| Balrog_ | where is the partial source? | Mar 29 21:47 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, put that up there | Mar 29 21:47 |
| Balrog_ | (btw, google updater for mac is foss...) | Mar 29 21:47 |
| schestowitz | There are more such recent incidents | Mar 29 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Deaths on MS capus too | Mar 29 21:47 |
| Balrog_ | but I'd use sparkle as it's better :) | Mar 29 21:47 |
| schestowitz | *campus | Mar 29 21:47 |
| nasty. | Mar 29 21:48 | |
| beating up a cook, that's low. | Mar 29 21:48 | |
| Balrog_ | ?? | Mar 29 21:50 |
| schestowitz | AIR translucency is nice | Mar 29 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I've just installed an AIR app for identi.ca | Mar 29 21:51 |
| schestowitz | They're all like floating widgets | Mar 29 21:52 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: this may be useful: http://v2v.cc/~j/Ogg.js/ | Mar 29 21:52 |
| these numbers are mostly meaningless but they show a net decline. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs... | Mar 29 21:52 | |
| tried to look at the adobe air site, but it wanted me to have flash installed. oh well. | Mar 29 21:53 | |
| bbl | Mar 29 21:53 | |
| Balrog_ | use gnash :) | Mar 29 21:53 |
| MinceR | well, AIR probably includes a version of flash anyway | Mar 29 21:56 |
| MinceR | the good thing about AIR is that it stays out of the browser :> | Mar 29 21:57 |
| schestowitz | THis new tool (twhirl) looks very nice | Mar 29 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Not very useful though | Mar 29 21:57 |
| schestowitz | It nags with notifications as well | Mar 29 21:57 |
| schestowitz | And I can't resize the thing | Mar 29 21:57 |
| MinceR | well, microblogging is not very useful either :> | Mar 29 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but that's well known... though it's valuable for a few things | Mar 29 21:59 |
| Balrog_ | I find AIR not very useful | Mar 29 21:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.twhirl.org/download | Mar 29 21:59 |
| Balrog_ | doesn't it add binary content to the web anyway? | Mar 29 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, it's like reinventing things | Mar 29 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Run Linux 'the Adobe way' | Mar 29 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes | Mar 29 22:00 |
| Balrog_ | that's not too good | Mar 29 22:00 |
| schestowitz | The Adobe installer was OK | Mar 29 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I needed to be admin to run it, but that's fair enough | Mar 29 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Better than Google Earth installer | Mar 29 22:00 |
| Balrog_ | adobe software tends to suck | Mar 29 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Compared to who? Microsoft? IBM? Sun? | Mar 29 22:00 |
| Balrog_ | like Creative Suite apps for OS X don't handle case-sensitive FS properly | Mar 29 22:00 |
| Balrog_ | I should say, at all | Mar 29 22:00 |
| Balrog_ | with Windows, there's no option for case sensitive FS | Mar 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Here's where I found it: http://www.internetling.com/2009/03/2... | Mar 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | They also list the Mono infection called GNOME-Do | Mar 29 22:01 |
| MinceR | well, just about anything is better than the google earth installer | Mar 29 22:02 |
| MinceR | or google earth in general | Mar 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz | The third one looks like an app in testing mode, before the GUI mode... | Mar 29 22:02 |
| Balrog_ | what doesn the google earth installer do??? | Mar 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Good for CLI people.. | Mar 29 22:02 |
| Balrog_ | or the app in general? | Mar 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Or grepping... piping I/O.. | Mar 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Ask MinceR | Mar 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz | He loaths it | Mar 29 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | loathes | Mar 29 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Yo, oiaohm | Mar 29 22:03 |
| Balrog_ | MinceR: what's wrong with it? | Mar 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | it has no uninstaller | Mar 29 22:03 |
| oiaohm | Hi schestowitz | Mar 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | also, google earth itself simply fails to work if you don't run it as root | Mar 29 22:03 |
| Balrog_ | the linux version? | Mar 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 29 22:03 |
| Balrog_ | there is no /usr/share/google-earth/uninstall ? | Mar 29 22:04 |
| MinceR | maybe there was one, but it didn't work | Mar 29 22:04 |
| MinceR | in the end i had to manually hunt down the pieces in the fs | Mar 29 22:04 |
| Balrog_ | running as root is no good. Maybe it's trying to access a device that requires root because you're not in the proper group? | Mar 29 22:04 |
| MinceR | so that piece of shit isn't going to see my fs again | Mar 29 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: http://www.google.com/search?q=sit... | Mar 29 22:04 |
| MinceR | maybe in a chroot jail or something | Mar 29 22:04 |
| oiaohm | This is why I am looking forward to btrfs on linux. | Mar 29 22:04 |
| MinceR | Balrog_: i don't know. if it does, it's supposed to tell me | Mar 29 22:05 |
| oiaohm | a rollback system for crappy applications. | Mar 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | also, what would it need anyway? | Mar 29 22:05 |
| Balrog_ | hrrm.... | Mar 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | network and opengl both work fine as user | Mar 29 22:05 |
| Balrog_ | where does it store tiles? | Mar 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | i'd like a gobolinux/nixos style package manager | Mar 29 22:05 |
| Balrog_ | maybe that has to be user-writeable | Mar 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | Balrog_: i don't really care, it should need root privileges period | Mar 29 22:05 |
| MinceR | it isn't windows so google should stop treating it like it is | Mar 29 22:06 |
| oiaohm | gobolinux can still be stuffed up by applications doing the wrong thing. | Mar 29 22:06 |
| MinceR | true | Mar 29 22:06 |
| Balrog_ | yeah I know :( | Mar 29 22:06 |
| Balrog_ | google is doing the same with mac | Mar 29 22:06 |
| oiaohm | btrfs allows writerable snapshots. | Mar 29 22:06 |
| oiaohm | So you can do something like gobolinux | Mar 29 22:06 |
| MinceR | i'm planning to use those snapshots for backup :> | Mar 29 22:06 |
| Balrog_ | instead of using the sparkle updater, which is a tiny shared lib that sits inside the application package, they use this system-wide updater that can't be disabled | Mar 29 22:07 |
| MinceR | my updater is called apt :> | Mar 29 22:07 |
| Balrog_ | (sparkle is a small framework that checks versions and gives the user the option of downloading+installing a new version if it's available) | Mar 29 22:08 |
| schestowitz | It seems like sjvn is promoting vapourware.. http://blogs.computerworld.co... | Mar 29 22:08 |
| Balrog_ | it's funny what I read on the mac forums (the thread about the MS ads) | Mar 29 22:09 |
| Balrog_ | many are talking about switching to Win7 from MAc | Mar 29 22:09 |
| Balrog_ | Mac * | Mar 29 22:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 29 22:09 |
| Balrog_ | they'll be surprised when win7 comes out and isn't what they hope for :) | Mar 29 22:10 |
| MinceR | well, apparently neither was osx | Mar 29 22:10 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 29 22:11 |
| Balrog_ | hmm, we don't know what 10.6 will be like yet... | Mar 29 22:11 |
| MinceR | it will be like all the previous versions: shitty. | Mar 29 22:11 |
| Balrog_ | but the technology behind OS X is way better than windows | Mar 29 22:11 |
| MinceR | yes, the parts apple didn't write are good | Mar 29 22:12 |
| Balrog_ | I think the package system that OS X uses is better than Linux in a way | Mar 29 22:12 |
| Balrog_ | (self contained apps, frameworks, etc) | Mar 29 22:12 |
| MinceR | and there are systems that are fully built of such stuff | Mar 29 22:12 |
| Balrog_ | I didn't see a linux like that ... | Mar 29 22:12 |
| MinceR | self-contained apps are stupid | Mar 29 22:12 |
| MinceR | and if you know what dynamic linking is for, you know why | Mar 29 22:12 |
| MinceR | apple apparently doesn't know what it is | Mar 29 22:12 |
| Balrog_ | well with self contained apps you can remove them easily and you don't have to worry about collisions | Mar 29 22:12 |
