10.24.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 23rd, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:56 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

twitter	the 14 seconds was using AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+	Oct 23 16:05
schestowitz	Reboot or be a zombie… not intervention by the user needed.	Oct 23 16:05
twitter	LOL, like they are not already zombies.	Oct 23 16:06
schestowitz	Well, most are not.	Oct 23 16:07
schestowitz	Almost half though.	Oct 23 16:07
twitter	How do you really know?	Oct 23 16:07
schestowitz	USA Today had some study	Oct 23 16:07
twitter	There’s really no difference between the owned half and the other half, so I don’t see why compromise rates are not over 90%	Oct 23 16:10
twitter	People who think they can keep themselves free with various non free voodoo are crazy.	Oct 23 16:11
twitter	Their first answer is to get a hardware firewall, aka a machine that’s not running Windows.	Oct 23 16:12
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schestowitz	Let me find something funny.	Oct 23 16:12
schestowitz	Got it:	Oct 23 16:12
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquire…	Oct 23 16:13
schestowitz	“SHINTO FAITHFUL are dragging their computers and gadgets into the local \| shrine in a bid to protect them from viruses and Trojan horses. At Tokyo’s Kanda-Myojin Shinto shrine, priests are using centuries-old ceremonies to ask the gods for help and protection for computers.”	Oct 23 16:13
schestowitz	Linus: “I am your God”	Oct 23 16:14
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twitter	hmmm, I’ve taken my kids to the local shrine and had water sprinkled on them. they made me promise to bring them back to the shrine and told me that it would make them better people.	Oct 23 16:15
twitter	they made it clear that the actions were symbolic	Oct 23 16:16
neighborlee	shrine ?	Oct 23 16:16
twitter	aka church	Oct 23 16:16
PetoKraus	hehe, today I saw two weird things	Oct 23 16:16
schestowitz	I’m going to surf the Web in IE for a while. PRAY for me.	Oct 23 16:16
PetoKraus	first one was Java applet we used at school	Oct 23 16:16
neighborlee	twitter, ah	Oct 23 16:16
neighborlee	schestowitz, LOL	Oct 23 16:17
schestowitz	.NET is finnier.	Oct 23 16:17
PetoKraus	“written by blabla using Gnu Public License”	Oct 23 16:17
PetoKraus	and the second one	Oct 23 16:17
PetoKraus	man, Excel is shite. I don’t know which version was this, but it got my gradient wrong	Oct 23 16:17
twitter	I wonder if the shinto people have to promise to teach their computers software freedom	Oct 23 16:17
schestowitz	PetoKraus: Excel can’t do maths, so be careful.	Oct 23 16:19
twitter	I know that the cult of M$ includes many, many symbolic acts.	Oct 23 16:19
schestowitz	twitter: Novell has mormons though.	Oct 23 16:20
schestowitz	Someone I know was rejected a job at Microsoft because they say he didn’t have the “Microsoft religion”	Oct 23 16:20
schestowitz	There’s also this about “Jihad”… from Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/up…	Oct 23 16:20
twitter	M$ has tried to infect every job with that kind of requirement.	Oct 23 16:21
twitter	It’s called “Identification with mission”	Oct 23 16:21
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schestowitz	It’s just being polar.	Oct 23 16:23
twitter	Business week, Forbes are enough to create management fads like that and they are very M$ friendly.	Oct 23 16:23
twitter	Every big dumb company has a string of these kinds of questions they ask people.	Oct 23 16:24
twitter	“Respect for IP” comes up a lot.	Oct 23 16:24
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twitter	M$ has tremendous influence through these channels and aims to make life hard for people who don’t share their religion.	Oct 23 16:25
redds2soc	Man the US markets are diving again. NOVL down to around 4.20 and RHT down under $12 a share.	Oct 23 16:25
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 23 16:26
schestowitz	I was going to write about this in a moment.	Oct 23 16:26
PetoKraus	they won’t stop	Oct 23 16:26
twitter	That was quick.	Oct 23 16:26
schestowitz	The whole series of interviews about mixed source and “anti-piracy day” is related	Oct 23 16:26
schestowitz	It’s part of the IPR propaganda	Oct 23 16:26
schestowitz	Microsoft raves about this type of “educatiuon” in its SEC filings (not just now)	Oct 23 16:26
schestowitz	This will be a ‘war’ between monopolists through ‘ownership’ of ‘knowledge’ and those who just keep the status quo, not just those looking for Freedom (digital sense)	Oct 23 16:27
schestowitz	redds2soc: you haven’t seen nothing yet.	Oct 23 16:27
schestowitz	Wait until the MS report.	Oct 23 16:27
twitter	The FSF has good answers if you read enough. The average Slashdot nerd is liable to be screwed.	Oct 23 16:27
schestowitz	twitter: I’m not alone in thinking this.	Oct 23 16:28
schestowitz	I receive validity by other people who are familiar with this, so I can cite them tor corroboration, which I will.	Oct 23 16:28
twitter	Good.	Oct 23 16:28
redds2soc	Schestowitz: I know, it’s going to get worse!!!!	Oct 23 16:28
schestowitz	Bad new to the Charity Killer (Intel): http://www.linuxdevices.com/new…	Oct 23 16:28
twitter	We need to work on freedom.	Oct 23 16:29
schestowitz	redds2soc: as Red Hat’s CEO put it, out of the rubble, Free software will emerge.	Oct 23 16:29
schestowitz	The pillars are falling on corrupt Caesars that that built intellectual empires.	Oct 23 16:29
twitter	Sure it will, unless M$ makes some kind of crazy laws.	Oct 23 16:29
schestowitz	They try to contaminate freedom	Oct 23 16:30
schestowitz	“Mixed source”	Oct 23 16:30
schestowitz	Novell helps them!!	Oct 23 16:30
schestowitz	It’s part of their attempt to revive digital suppression through public confusion.	Oct 23 16:30
schestowitz	BTW, I sent PJ that link to the Meeks patent.	Oct 23 16:30
schestowitz	Under pressure, he blogged about it. Novellers are still part of the patent problem. Soft patents even…	Oct 23 16:31
twitter	Patents are their business model now.	Oct 23 16:31
schestowitz	Not yet	Oct 23 16:32
schestowitz	They prepare	Oct 23 16:32
twitter	Without software patents and licensing fees, all they have is extra costs.	Oct 23 16:32
schestowitz	Myhrvold and those other inetllectual gangster are abound.	Oct 23 16:32
schestowitz	.	Oct 23 16:32
schestowitz	I was amused to see Glyn referring in Linux Journal to Microsoft using words like “Mafia-like”	Oct 23 16:32
redds2soc	Schestowitz: Yeah I read the article. My fear is the only big name who can weather a storm like this is MS.	Oct 23 16:32
schestowitz	He has no mercy on them anymore, not even in the literature.	Oct 23 16:32
twitter	Free software companies will do better, they sell services people will continue to need.	Oct 23 16:33
twitter	M$ will flunk, no one needs their “products”	Oct 23 16:34
schestowitz	redds2soc: I saw some Microsoft critics fearing for its wealth	Oct 23 16:34
schestowitz	There are other companies to watch out for like IBM and Apple.	Oct 23 16:35
redds2soc	Twitter: Not so sure. The service model gets expensive. The has quotes about how Oracle’s support of RH is cheaper than RH’s own support model. When budgets get cut, support gets cut with it.	Oct 23 16:35
schestowitz	They have an undeserved “underdog” reputation, but they have some monopolies and they suppress, digitally. DRM and all…	Oct 23 16:35
redds2soc	Schestowitz: Could be MS is too big. I won’t deny that.	Oct 23 16:36
schestowitz	redds2soc: there might be layoffs, but not yet	Oct 23 16:36
redds2soc	Twitter: You don’t have large market share if no one needs or wants your products.	Oct 23 16:37
schestowitz	They already shut down some parts that are peripheral	Oct 23 16:37
schestowitz	E.g. Ensemble Studios	Oct 23 16:37
redds2soc	It’	Oct 23 16:37
twitter	Monopolies don’t answer market demand, they work by excluding market demand and choice.	Oct 23 16:38
redds2soc	It’s an interesting problem. Economic downturn could prove fruitful for FLOSS and Linux but how the support is handled could make a lot of difference.	Oct 23 16:38
twitter	M$’s failure will eliminate competitive barriers.	Oct 23 16:39
schestowitz	Developers of Free software work for free too… many of them.	Oct 23 16:39
twitter	That’s a good thing for everyone, free and non free.	Oct 23 16:39
schestowitz	In KDE, the last time I checked, 70% of the commuters are volunteers.	Oct 23 16:39
twitter	The economics of free software are overwhelming. You get tremendous value instantly without obligation.	Oct 23 16:40
twitter	When you make changes to you like, there’s no cost to sharing those changes.	Oct 23 16:40
redds2soc	Schestowitz: Some do. Eventually people need money and while they may do this as a hobby and for free now, if the job market tightens up someone is going to want to get paid.	Oct 23 16:40
redds2soc	Can’t live on the fact that I make contributions to KDE at no charge.	Oct 23 16:41
twitter	Most programmers make their money making things work. It would be easier if their tools were free and they don’t get a penny for choosing non free tools.	Oct 23 16:41
schestowitz	redds2soc: yes, I thought about the same two-edged sword. A dilemma really.	Oct 23 16:42
twitter	You will eventually get a job. Free software is useful to that job no matter what it is.	Oct 23 16:42
schestowitz	Some KDE developers provide consulting, I think. I am aware of some.	Oct 23 16:42
twitter	RMS has not had a job since 1984.	Oct 23 16:43
schestowitz	If all works well, business will be pressured (for cash) by Microsoft and then seek help migration to GNU/Linux. That makes employment for people who build it.	Oct 23 16:43
schestowitz	twitter: some people paid him for emacs features.	Oct 23 16:43
twitter	He’s made his living developing and advocating free software all that time.	Oct 23 16:43
twitter	That’s 25 years of honest earnings.	Oct 23 16:44
redds2soc	You don’t think RMS gets paid for his speeches and time? I don’t know but I would think there is some money there.	Oct 23 16:44
schestowitz	Linus was p[aid by Transmesa just to do his kernel.	Oct 23 16:44
schestowitz	redds2soc: yes, there is.	Oct 23 16:44
schestowitz	But at the same time, he promotes freedom	Oct 23 16:44
twitter	You don’t have to step on freedom to make a living.	Oct 23 16:44
schestowitz	“There is nothing wrong with making money as long as you respects other people’s freedom”	Oct 23 16:44
redds2soc	Yes he does promote freedom I will say that:)	Oct 23 16:45
schestowitz	Or, as he once said: “there is nothing wrong with making money and I’m not unhappy when I make some money” (from memory)	Oct 23 16:45
schestowitz	Some people make money out of abuse or aggravation of others.	Oct 23 16:45
schestowitz	He would call that “subjugation”	Oct 23 16:45
schestowitz	We mustn’t assume that this is the only way for commerce to operate (exploitation)	Oct 23 16:46
redds2soc	Yes I do agree. I just worry that with all the troubles going on that budgets get cut, and people with very little knowledge take the lead and MS wins.	Oct 23 16:46
schestowitz	But RMS can’t turns the world upside-down overnight.	Oct 23 16:46
schestowitz	In some countries, ethics are so strong that if you deviate from the ethical, you get /whacked’	Oct 23 16:46
schestowitz	In today’s Republican-dominated ‘justice’ state, if you commit fraud and you have money, you can pay bail and get back to bizniz	Oct 23 16:47
redds2soc	LOL	Oct 23 16:47
redds2soc	Unfortunately I gotta run off to work now. This has been fun I’ll try to pop on more often.	Oct 23 16:48
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schestowitz	NOVL down over 6% today: http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Aj0ah36Fp…	Oct 23 17:02
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twitter	This will help, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/…	Oct 23 17:18
twitter	about fucking time.	Oct 23 17:18
twitter	“There are more than 10,000 foreclosures a day” an increase of 71% over last year, which was already bad.	Oct 23 17:20
twitter	3 million a year losing their homes.	Oct 23 17:20
schestowitz	That’s a lot.	Oct 23 17:21
schestowitz	Tent cities…	Oct 23 17:21
twitter	blight, crime, breakdown.	Oct 23 17:21
schestowitz	I just got an E-mail about it from a cousin in Floria… he votes McCain. :-OOO	Oct 23 17:21
twitter	Mobs have already started to form around evictions.	Oct 23 17:22
schestowitz	“Since July 24th , when I exited the stock market, my portfolio (which I still track daily) has declined 41%. If it gets much worse, I may move from Money Market Funds to a well-capitalized bank, but not yet. I am happy not to be drowning in misery like investors that stayed the course, but I have mixed feelings. “	Oct 23 17:22
schestowitz	“The country and the rest of the world are suffering and there is no relief in sight. The depth of the problem is in multi-trillion dollars, in fact, nobody knows the true amount. Government can only offer support funds for a limited time, I hate to think what happens when that support ends.”	Oct 23 17:22
schestowitz	Well, he has been Republican for years. gasp voted Bush even.	Oct 23 17:23
twitter	The estimated size of predatory loans was roughly 1/4 the value of the US stock market.	Oct 23 17:23
schestowitz	Yes. Everything is happening very fast now.	Oct 23 17:24
schestowitz	Realisation.	Oct 23 17:24
schestowitz	The EC should force change: http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/n…	Oct 23 17:24
twitter	Refinancing these loans on reasonable terms would have fixed the problem a year ago.	Oct 23 17:25
twitter	Now you understand why Bush threatened martial law.	Oct 23 17:25
twitter	Start throwing people out of their houses an you will have a real breakdown of authority.	Oct 23 17:26
schestowitz	In Japan, according to something I read the other day, communism is rising. Eeeeck.	Oct 23 17:28
neighborlee	LOL, yeah like socialism remarks about obama, its just laughable	Oct 23 17:29
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schestowitz	I see the brainwash taking its toll.	Oct 23 17:31
schestowitz	“I think Obama and the democrats think they can sustain the economy by spending their way out of this mess. WRONG!”	Oct 23 17:31
schestowitz	“I feel McCain is underestimated because of his poor communication skills; nevertheless, I am voting for him. I do not trust Obama in the office of president. He’s smart, but devious in my opinion. I shall never forgive his 20-year religious association with the evil Rev. Wright – his self-declared mentor. Give me a break!”	Oct 23 17:32
twitter	Yes, brainwash. The answer proposed is regulation.	Oct 23 17:37
schestowitz	If they spread enough filth and ‘seed’ it, then people spread it further.	Oct 23 17:37
schestowitz	Then they find reasons to dislike someone whom they have no reason to dislike.	Oct 23 17:37
schestowitz	Anyway, I told him to vote Nader as a compromise.	Oct 23 17:38
twitter	It’s dangerous. They are so corrupt that the smears they throw lend credibility to real radicals.	Oct 23 17:38
schestowitz	Yes, anti-Blacks in particular.	Oct 23 17:39
twitter	As RMS put it, big publishers are shrill because they are losing.	Oct 23 17:41
twitter	Most people don’t know or trust alternate media yet.	Oct 23 17:41
schestowitz	Microsoft does not help (not just Microsoft)	Oct 23 17:42
schestowitz	They bribe bloggers and all, turning them into the equiv. of the ‘big’ sites.	Oct 23 17:42
twitter	The market collapse is going to make people even angrier, their life savings have been lost.	Oct 23 17:42
schestowitz	Capture they mind and preach to them about transparency and freedom.	Oct 23 17:43
schestowitz	*their	Oct 23 17:43
schestowitz	People don’t want change until they are hurt and upset.	Oct 23 17:43
twitter	But then again, both candidates have talked about retirement and health care as “entitlements” that we might have to give up	Oct 23 17:43
twitter	Broadcast must break down for the right messages to get out.	Oct 23 17:45
twitter	Here’s more about that “emergency” patch. http://www.intelliadmin.com/blog/2008/10…	Oct 23 17:46
twitter	botnets gone wild.	Oct 23 17:46
twitter	You have to expect the bad guys have known this for years.	Oct 23 17:47
schestowitz	MSFT almost at $20.xx now. Report could make it a make or break thing	Oct 23 17:47
twitter	They will have to lie.	Oct 23 17:47
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 23 17:47
schestowitz	But investors are not dumb	Oct 23 17:47
schestowitz	They did realise they they lied in Apr and Jul	Oct 23 17:47
schestowitz	The stock sank.	Oct 23 17:48
schestowitz	MSFT could fall below $20 today. Could.	Oct 23 17:48
twitter	Need moar lie.	Oct 23 17:48
twitter	It’s all about advertisers, advertisers, advertisers, baby.	Oct 23 17:49
schestowitz	What time is the report?	Oct 23 17:49
twitter	after markets close	Oct 23 17:49
twitter	of course	Oct 23 17:49
schestowitz	I am waiting to see if NOVL touches $4.00 today. It was $4.12. I want to grab a screenie	Oct 23 17:49
twitter	Sweaty B is busy “fixing” the report.	Oct 23 17:50
schestowitz	The chair-fixing comes later.	Oct 23 17:51
schestowitz	http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Bill_Gates_… What do you reckon? Some think it’s another patent troll in the making.	Oct 23 17:53
*schestowitz just decided on skipping the gym today. Too much to catch up with.		Oct 23 17:54
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schestowitz	bbl	Oct 23 18:41
twitter	http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?…	Oct 23 18:48
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PetoKraus	dunno if you saw it, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIxcxfL5jas	Oct 23 19:54
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twitter	SweatyB finished his report. It’s Glowing http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories…	Oct 23 20:29
twitter	It says they got their .48 per share. You have to wonder how real it is.	Oct 23 20:37
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schestowitz	LOL “In soviet russia, government controls microsoft.”	Oct 23 21:25
schestowitz	Hehe. Good YouTube video. “INNOVA~1″	Oct 23 21:28
schestowitz	twitter: just seen it. Microsoft bought a lot of companies, so revenue is only expected to be aggregated. I’d love to see the ‘profit’ because the press release says nothing about it. I’ll catch up with this tomorrow.	Oct 23 21:29
schestowitz	zoobab: your server is acting up.	Oct 23 21:33
schestowitz	505 and no stylesheet on another occasion.	Oct 23 21:34
schestowitz	http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-244… http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-…	Oct 23 21:34
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schestowitz	Hey, check out the avatar of the guy with this new video (hours ago): http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cP9kmob_pwA	Oct 23 22:05
schestowitz	http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/… “The company is, essentially, printing money.”	Oct 23 22:10
schestowitz	“We still need to see the breakdown by division, though. That’s a heck of a lot more interesting.”	Oct 23 22:10
schestowitz	Charity Killer turns FUD Machine to iPhone: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1…	Oct 23 22:12
schestowitz	How am I going to live in 2009? < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/23/52555 > “”Not where the debian community survives in the MicroSoft world, but where MicroSoft survives in the debian community world.”	Oct 23 22:15
tessier_	http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2062 New windows exploit and associated worm. yeay! More spam!	Oct 23 22:30
schestowitz	No user intervention necessary.	Oct 23 22:31
tessier_	I like the windows logo with the bullet holes in it	Oct 23 22:32
schestowitz	Ballmer was sweating bullets today	Oct 23 22:34
schestowitz	http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=441: Zombie PCs: ‘Time to infection is less than five minutes’	Oct 23 22:35
schestowitz	So let’s say I’m a bank, OK? I have a fully-patched/updated AV software, firewall, and data of thousands of customers. Now Microsoft tells me that without me doing anything I get get hijacked and have all this data leaked within minutes; and no patch is available yet. And it’s it’s being exploited in the wild already. Oh joy.	Oct 23 22:37
tessier_	I honestly can’t recall the last time I ever had to upgrade my Linux box in a hurry for fear of getting owned.	Oct 23 22:46
schestowitz	Sun co-founder Bechtolsheim makes start-up move < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10073797-92.h… >	Oct 23 22:47
schestowitz	Was: (changed headline) “Is Sun co-founder Andy Bechtolshiem leaving or not?”	Oct 23 22:47
schestowitz	“The company, which has been battered by competition and slowing demand from financial customers, has struggled for nearly a decade with financial issues. The current economic crisis has only exacerbated the situation. In another sign of trouble, Sun’s largest shareholder, Southeastern Asset Management, upped its stake this week and has taken a more aggressive attitude toward its investment.”	Oct 23 22:48
schestowitz	Mo wonder Tim Bray is “scared” (he works for Sun)	Oct 23 22:48
schestowitz	LOL Surface price inflated further now. “$13,500 even with the discount.” Just in time for an economic depression. Get a beta version of Vista on a table for just 13 grands.	Oct 23 22:50
schestowitz	*Grand!	Oct 23 22:50
schestowitz	Video site Break.com lays off 11 : http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-1007398…	Oct 23 22:51
tessier_	And people say nobody is attacking Linux.	Oct 23 22:52
schestowitz	“Microsoft profits are down WRT Windows. ” That’s good news.	Oct 23 22:53
tessier_	But I get portscans and brute force attacks on ssh and people looking for php app exploits all day long.	Oct 23 22:53
schestowitz	tessier: Linux is dominant on servers.	Oct 23 22:53
tessier_	schestowitz: From from obscene amounts of money to merely ludicrous?	Oct 23 22:53
tessier_	schestowitz: Indeed it is.	Oct 23 22:53
schestowitz	If someone wanted a botnet, then Linux servers would be ideal, no?	Oct 23 22:53
tessier_	Yep. Lots of cpu and bandwidth.	Oct 23 22:53
schestowitz	Hold on.	Oct 23 22:54
tessier_	break.com had 11 employees? I thought it was just one dude running in his spare time.	Oct 23 22:54
schestowitz	I love this recent one:	Oct 23 22:54
schestowitz	“Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux,” he [Steve Ballmer]said. “How are we doing? Forty is less than 60, so I don’t like it. … We have some work to do.” http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/articl…	Oct 23 22:54
schestowitz	Surface was going to due.	Oct 23 22:55
schestowitz	Bach wanted t kill it, but Gates had a ‘dream’, so he didn’t allow this (source: CNET). And now they have a $15000 table without userbase (so expect no ISVs and development) at times of a slump. Well done…	Oct 23 22:56
schestowitz	Oh great. Botnets now ruin another industry… Click Fraud at 16 Percent as Scammers Resort to Botnets < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152… > (more money to criminals, less to honest people, thanks to Windows zombies)	Oct 23 22:59
schestowitz	UK speed bumpers… Broadband users reach their limit < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technol…	Oct 23 23:12
schestowitz	ARM is coming… sub-notebooks with Linux… and Windows won’t run on ARM. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,… “While Microsoft has not produced an ARM-compatible version of its mainstream Windows operating system, the chip architecture is supported by Windows CE, multiple Linux distributions and a version of Apple’s OS X.”	Oct 23 23:25
twitter	WinCE, what a joke.	Oct 23 23:27
twitter	It’s funny that no one describes M$ the way they describe Sun, a company that’s “struggled” for a decade.	Oct 23 23:28
schestowitz	They actually tried this on some Intel netbooks (wince)	Oct 23 23:28
twitter	Winblows sucks in it’s full incarnation. Who wants a limited version of it?	Oct 23 23:29
schestowitz	twitter: I’ll post about Microsoft’s results on Saturday. I’ve already discovered the things they hide. I need to summarise it well though. I’ll figure something out. What we have now is a press release followed by Wintel press that was told by Microsoft’s agencies what to type and publish.	Oct 23 23:29
twitter	better reports always come after more thought	Oct 23 23:30
twitter	What would be interesting to see is their numbers over the last ten years or so as a graph.	Oct 23 23:31
schestowitz	Black eye Thursday: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10074072-83.html “After speaking with Microsoft earlier today, I strongly suggest that users understand the importance of this update and begin emergency patching procedures immediately.”	Oct 23 23:31
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schestowitz	Funny that I call it Black eye in the morning before these reports came.	Oct 23 23:31
twitter	ha ha	Oct 23 23:31
schestowitz	twitter: WHAT number? That’s the Q.	Oct 23 23:32
twitter	financial numbers, assets, liabilities, revenue, expenses and profit.	Oct 23 23:32
schestowitz	Number of dollars in savings? Number of acquired companies? Number of newly-hired employees? Number of successful businesses? Number of contract renewals?	Oct 23 23:32
twitter	I’m not interested in the number of employees, just money.	Oct 23 23:33
schestowitz	They are fixated on revenue because they buy and buy and buy many companies for billions, adding their revenue to Microsoft’s	Oct 23 23:33
twitter	but their cash reserves have gone to zero	Oct 23 23:33
schestowitz	Bank account meanwhile is going down to $0	Oct 23 23:33
schestowitz	You beat me to it.	Oct 23 23:34
twitter	A nice little graph with the numbers they like to crow about would show the picture better than the numbers.	Oct 23 23:34
schestowitz	Acuisitions are a convenient mechnism (trick) for converting cash (liquid) into an illusion of rising profit/revenue. Artificial growth…	Oct 23 23:35
schestowitz	They had $60 billion in the bank some years ago	Oct 23 23:36
schestowitz	And the stock was higher.	Oct 23 23:36
twitter	They claim a 2% rise in profits, but those can be had by raping companies acquired. Fire the current employees and take the revenues before discontinuing the bought company’s products after a few years of inactivity.	Oct 23 23:36
schestowitz	http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39858/122/ : Microsoft market cap drops below $200 billion	Oct 23 23:36
schestowitz	What they essentially did is lump in those $60bn into their reports, to be shown as ‘profit’	Oct 23 23:36
twitter	Does anyone have the raw numbers of do I have to dig through their crappy reports myself?	Oct 23 23:37
schestowitz	The stock too is keeping ‘stable’ at the expense of cash reserves.	Oct 23 23:37
schestowitz	And who know how much /real/ (overall) profit they make.	Oct 23 23:37
schestowitz	They claim earning of $4.xbn	Oct 23 23:37
twitter	that’s why a graph with their declining cash reserves would be nice to have	Oct 23 23:37
schestowitz	Right? So, at the same period their savings layer of fat can have $10 billion depleted from it. It’s a bucket game	Oct 23 23:38
schestowitz	They rely on past glory, much like Sun and Novell (they have some cash sitting around, or so they say)	Oct 23 23:38
schestowitz	The market cap says a lot more, overall. IIRC, Microsoft lost over $100,000,000,000 in value so far this year	Oct 23 23:39
twitter	What you say makes sense and it would make a nice graph. The graph should point to zero next year.	Oct 23 23:39
schestowitz	twitter: you can get the figures from Yahoo	Oct 23 23:39
schestowitz	I can get you the buybacks figures.	Oct 23 23:39
twitter	cool.	Oct 23 23:39
schestowitz	Parish had a nice chart to depict the bucket game	Oct 23 23:39
schestowitz	It’s a lot like the sub-prime mortgages.	Oct 23 23:39
schestowitz	Imaginary prospective wealth.	Oct 23 23:40
twitter	Parish’s stuff is old.	Oct 23 23:40
schestowitz	Though in Microsoft’s case, they are still profitable.	Oct 23 23:40
schestowitz	I think.	Oct 23 23:40
twitter	They burned trough $60 billion in cash and lost stock value. How’s that profitable?	Oct 23 23:42
schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008… ‘Seattle-based TechFlash says the new company will be “a vehicle to coordinate the software mogul’s work on his business and philanthropic endeavors.”’ I don’t like the sound of that.	Oct 23 23:42
twitter	funny he’d mix the two like he did with his foundation	Oct 23 23:42
schestowitz	twitter: they can claim to have more assets, I guess, but market cap contradicts.	Oct 23 23:42
schestowitz	Yes.	Oct 23 23:42
twitter	where do I find M$ numbers on yahoo?	Oct 23 23:43
schestowitz	I wrote about this 2 hours ago (BN FP)	Oct 23 23:43
schestowitz	Follow the link on the anchor “pet charity”	Oct 23 23:43
schestowitz	And never say anything bad about the Gates FUNDation in Slashdot. The shills will attack you like hyenas.	Oct 23 23:43
twitter	http://biz.yahoo.com/paidcontent/081023/…	Oct 23 23:43
twitter	The shills already attack me like hyenas.	Oct 23 23:44
twitter	They complain that I won’t “die” no matter what they do.	Oct 23 23:44
twitter	ha ha	Oct 23 23:44
schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/10/23/…	Oct 23 23:47
schestowitz	This lousy site for a hundred million??? http://graphics.com/	Oct 23 23:47
*moparx has quit (“leaving”)		Oct 23 23:47
schestowitz	Woman arrested for killing virtual reality husband : http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/ptech/10/…	Oct 23 23:49
schestowitz	Earlier there was kid who get arrested for ‘stealing’ virtual goods.	Oct 23 23:49
schestowitz	This is why the law is broken. People out there are stealing, killing, corrupting the entire system and leads to Depression 2.0 and the police is going after people who cheat in computer games (polygon worlds). I check the datestamp, but fail to find “Apr 1″	Oct 23 23:50
twitter	gotta love kget	Oct 23 23:50
twitter	Here’s some of the M$ junk, in crap formats of course http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earn…	Oct 23 23:50
schestowitz	They could be doing what FAST was doing.	Oct 23 23:51
twitter	losing money and lying about it?	Oct 23 23:52
schestowitz	Pump up your brand using an illusion/perception of wealth you don’t have, get customers this way and carry on pumping the company this way	Oct 23 23:52
schestowitz	Just a coat of pain on an old car.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk	Oct 23 23:52
schestowitz	EU blocks airport ‘virtual strip search’ : http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/10/23/eu…. Just because you /fell/ more secure doesn’t mean you /are/ more secure. More waste of money and more public humiliation…	Oct 23 23:53
schestowitz	Bash Admin just let it be. It’s more corrupt[ible*]	Oct 23 23:54
twitter	Oh crap. All their stuff from the last two year is in their crap xml format.	Oct 23 23:56
twitter	It might be easier to get the numbers out of a pdf.	Oct 23 23:56
schestowitz	They sometimes use wmv to prevent access from non-proprietary platforms.	Oct 23 23:56
schestowitz	Or that’s what some people claim. Especially the stuff that needs to be public, but not so easily accessible.	Oct 23 23:57
twitter	The fewer rights you have, the less secure you are. Prisons are violent.	Oct 23 23:57
schestowitz	Is it true that 3 million Americans lose their current home?	Oct 23 23:58
twitter	I don’t know.	Oct 23 23:58
twitter	Palast has said “Millions” and I extrapolated from the current rate of 10,000 per day.	Oct 23 23:59