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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 1st, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:29 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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RevGTR twitter: yea but they don’t know whom or what they are abusing or if it is even close to reality Dec 01 00:00
twitter Professionals have to share enough personal details to make a convincing smear, it’s called a resume. Dec 01 00:01
twitter Most want to share more in public. Dec 01 00:01
RevGTR twitter: but a resume should be only sent to those who you wish to work with Dec 01 00:02
RevGTR twitter: or else someone may just take it and maybe use your identity for other means Dec 01 00:02
twitter If you are a lawyer, you want everyone to know you and work with you. Dec 01 00:02
schestowitz What can employers rely on? Dec 01 00:03
twitter Your interview. Dec 01 00:03
twitter Your previous employers, publications and academic record. Dec 01 00:03
RevGTR twitter: a good Lawyer knows which clients to choose Dec 01 00:03
RevGTR twitter: which you can sent to them in an email over an encrypted connection Dec 01 00:04
twitter Identity fraud should be checked with in face ID. Dec 01 00:04
RevGTR twitter: good luck getting businesses to creat the infastructure to handle that Dec 01 00:04
twitter I should not be afraid of my name, address and phone number being public. Dec 01 00:04
twitter Businesses that don’t do that deserve to be robbed. Dec 01 00:05
RevGTR twitter: you must live in a nice neighborhood Dec 01 00:05
schestowitz Yeah, that’s it Dec 01 00:05
twitter Everyone should live in a nice neighborhood, I’ve lived in all kinds. Dec 01 00:05
schestowitz The data was always there. Dec 01 00:05
schestowitz It just had more hoops to jump Dec 01 00:05
RevGTR twitter: make that most Businesses as their number one concern is earning and keeping working capital Dec 01 00:05
schestowitz The perverts, stalkers and dangerous people were not always able to leap these hoops Dec 01 00:06
twitter dangerous companies and government always have been able to sabotage people, more communications and sharing are good. Dec 01 00:06
twitter FB provides centralized control, it’s a step backwards. Dec 01 00:08
RevGTR how is sharing good when you can sweet talk any online or over the phone service into believing who you are with 9 numbers Dec 01 00:10
twitter That’s not sharing, it’s sloppy accounting and fraud. Dec 01 00:10
RevGTR twitter: which can be achieved if the right amount of information is exposed for the picking Dec 01 00:12
twitter No one intentionally exposes that kind of information. Dec 01 00:13
schestowitz twitter: CIA loves FB Dec 01 00:13
twitter It generally leaks out of insecure IT practices. Dec 01 00:13
twitter I don’t love the CIA. Dec 01 00:13
schestowitz It does some of its homework, conducted by ‘the little people’ Dec 01 00:13
twitter Domestic spying like that is supposed to be against the law.  FB makes it legal by getting people to volunteer the information.  It’s slimy. Dec 01 00:15
twitter People should be able to trust their networking site to not share their information in ways they don’t approve. Dec 01 00:16
twitter FB fails the trust test, so it should not be used. Dec 01 00:16
RevGTR twitter: there are not many social networking sites that are truely confidential with your information Dec 01 00:16
twitter FB also fails the veracity test, so it should not be trusted. Dec 01 00:16
twitter free software should walk into the space and provide trusted networking software.  of course, that devolves into trusting your friends but it’s clear that’s better than trusting FB Dec 01 00:17
RevGTR twitter: free software like what? Dec 01 00:18
twitter encrypted web service/wiki, jabber etc. Dec 01 00:19
twitter It should be easy for people to share things with their friends without having to fear Big Brother. Dec 01 00:19
RevGTR twitter: true but most people take ease of use and popularity over security Dec 01 00:19
twitter free software always makes things easier eventually. Dec 01 00:20
twitter A society that does not have secure communications will lose the rest of their freedoms eventually. Dec 01 00:21
RevGTR twitter: true but free communication has to be ensured by laws and social norms everyone not only has to follow but make sure they are not broken Dec 01 00:22
twitter FB as it exists is breaking libel laws. Dec 01 00:22
twitter Communications between friends should be private. Dec 01 00:23
twitter People in them can uphold real laws the same way they have always been upheld – by reporting crimes. Dec 01 00:24
twitter Monitoring is not required and it is evil. Dec 01 00:25
twitter time for dinner, back later. Dec 01 00:25
schestowitz It has just occurred to me that Mandriva with a new CEO may be a risky due to Microsoft pressuring. Dec 01 00:37
RevGTR schestowitz: as in capitulating or driving away M$ demands? Dec 01 00:42
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schestowitz RevGTRafk: either one Dec 01 00:55
schestowitz I had the same worry when Red Hat changed heads. Dec 01 00:55
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2007… Dec 01 00:55
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RevGTR schestowitz: so how is Red Hat Enterprises doing now? Dec 01 01:23
schestowitz Pretty well. Sales are increasing. Dec 01 01:26
schestowitz I don’t know about deployments because centos and oracle might east some ‘sales’ Dec 01 01:26
RevGTR schestowitz: well in that case all the luck to them, I g2g. Thanks for chatting you have to be one of the most actively participating hosts on this node if not all of IRC Dec 01 01:46
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schestowitz Pleasure to have you here. Dec 01 01:46
schestowitz “In fact, for all the intense gloom surrounding the news-paper and magazine business, this is actually a golden era for journalism. The blogosphere has added a whole new idiom to the act of writing and has introduced an entirely new generation to nonfiction. It has enabled writers to write out loud in ways never seen or understood before. ” < http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/20081… > Dec 01 01:47
schestowitz On the other hand:” Wired has posted an already-controversial article about how blogs are “so 2004″, and how services like Twitter, Facebook, and Flickr even are here to replace them.” < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/1… > Dec 01 01:53
schestowitz It’s painful news about Mandriva:  http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/32528 ; http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/32532?page=1 Dec 01 01:59
schestowitz “Another Saturday weekly protest occurred in  Iceland over their banking collapse and economic situation. Protesters want a new general election and the resignation of the banking heads.” < http://technocrat.net/… > Dec 01 02:04
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schestowitz On Facebook.. “If you’re on Facebook, you’ve no doubt got a bunch of friends. And if you’re like most Facebook users, you’re certain those friends are exactly who they say they are. And you might be right. Or you could be wrong. They could be scammers posing as your friends.” < http://www.pcworld.com/article/154669/faceb… > Dec 01 02:15
schestowitz http://linuxoniphone.blogspot.com/2008/… …Better to buy FreeRunner. Buying an iPhone from Apple helps their vanity count, just like buying XBox to act as a GNU/Linux server enables Microsoft to approach game makers with inflated figures. Dec 01 02:24
twitter Recent submissions, Inevitability Myth is Dead, http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=1883605 Dec 01 02:40
twitter M$ to blow $20B on data centers doomed to fail, http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&am… Dec 01 02:41
twitter Bruce Byfield misses the point to create conflict again, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid… Dec 01 02:42
twitter M$ is for naive users and deluded dreamers, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/217729  Greed is not a sustainable business model. Dec 01 02:43
twitter thanks for the interesting links.  I’ll ponder them over the next day or so.  Good night. Dec 01 02:47
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seller_liar another abandoned project Dec 01 03:42
seller_liar a cil to class converter Dec 01 03:42
seller_liar http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?gr… Dec 01 03:42
seller_liar it uses mono 0.4 Dec 01 03:43
seller_liar http://www.cs.rit.edu/~atg2335/project/ Dec 01 03:48
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seller_liar http://sourceforge.net/projects/cs2j/ Dec 01 03:58
seller_liar http://sourceforge.net/project/showf… Dec 01 03:58
seller_liar the last is very old Dec 01 03:58
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Omar87 Hi Dec 01 05:49
Omar87 schestowitz: Seriously, if I were you, I’d ban G. Michaels. Dec 01 05:49
Omar87 He’s just plain annoying, posting off-topic spam here and there.. -_- Dec 01 05:50
Omar87 Sometimes, he just reminds of the guy who calls the cops to order a pepperoni pizza. Dec 01 05:51
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kevin__ hello Dec 01 07:37
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schestowitz Morning. Dec 01 08:10
schestowitz Why I Love Twitter < http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/11/w… > Dec 01 08:20
schestowitz Anti-DRM campaign calls for MacBook boycott < http://www.heise.de/english/new… > Dec 01 08:34
kentma Hmm.. Apple in the firing line now- can’t say I’m surprised, seeing their senior exec use the term “freetard” really put me off them significantly. Dec 01 08:40
schestowitz Which senior exec? Dec 01 08:41
schestowitz I thought that it was only the faker (living in Jobs’ shadow) who used and spread this word. Dec 01 08:42
kentma he’s still a senior exec… Dec 01 08:53
kentma btw Roy – have you seen any traffic on the OSA mailing list recently? Dec 01 08:53
kentma schestowitz: also, just heard that a Microsoft guy will be giving the Royal Institution’s xmas lecture this year… Dec 01 08:54
schestowitz Let me ehck.. Dec 01 08:55
schestowitz Wow. None since October (*check) Dec 01 08:55
kentma that’s what I saw – last message was in October. Dec 01 08:59
schestowitz I last posted there around June, I think. Dec 01 09:01
kentma I’ve not posted in a while… I got accused of being a “daily mail” reader when I pointed some facts about state of the present examination system.  Of course, that was before the KS3 sats disaster…  it rather put me off – I was hoping for a more grown-up discussion. Dec 01 09:06
schestowitz I must have missed that. Either way, it ended up well for Sirius, which got a govt contract. Dec 01 09:10
kentma Mark T did well out of it, and in general, getting foss accepted by Becta was a huge leap forward.  Unfortunately, that’s just the beginning.  Kent LEA are busy adopting everything Microsoft as fast as they can… so there are still huge problems to address. Dec 01 09:11
schestowitz This latest tragedy won’t be good for India: http://www.pcworld.com/article/… ( Fear of More Attacks Could Hurt Business in India ) Dec 01 09:11
schestowitz BECTA sucked up to Microsoft in front of the EU the last time I read about the MS07 controversy Dec 01 09:12
schestowitz It would be interesting to see how many former Softies there are in BECTA Dec 01 09:12
kentma probably lots… it makes good business sense for MS to push their ex-employees everywhere they can. Dec 01 09:13
schestowitz If we could get a list of BECTA seniors and then do googling for each, that would be handy in identifying their High-Fields and Tree Huggers(R) Dec 01 09:13
schestowitz “That agreement was nearly imperiled last weekend, though. Gerri Elliott, corporate vice president at Microsoft’s Worldwide Public Sector division, sent an e-mail message to fellow commissioners Friday evening saying that she “vigorously” objected to a paragraph in which the panel embraced and encouraged the development of open source software and open content projects in higher education.” http://www.insidehighered.com/news/ Dec 01 09:14
schestowitz 2006/09/01/commission Dec 01 09:14
schestowitz http://www.insidehighered.com/news/… Dec 01 09:14
schestowitz http://board.bec… Dec 01 09:15
schestowitz Headed by http://en.wikipedia.org/wi… “# ^ Andrew Pinder. “Government Gateway is not a ‘Microsoft puppet’”” Dec 01 09:16
schestowitz Why need to rebut? http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2… “Second, Microsoft was in no way given carte blanche to do as it pleased. A tough decision was taken when it became clear that the partnership with Compaq was not going to work. It was quite the contrary of panicking: we chose to internally manage a host of suppliers in order to provide the best solution.” Dec 01 09:17
schestowitz “we’re not puppets. Really” Dec 01 09:18
Omar87 schestowitz: Seriously, if I were you, I’d ban G. Michaels. Dec 01 09:18
Omar87 He’s just plain annoying, posting off-topic spam here and there.. -_- Dec 01 09:18
Omar87 Sometimes, he just reminds of the guy who calls the cops to order a pepperoni pizza. Dec 01 09:18
schestowitz “Typically [teachers who run IT] would be people who have a real passion about Open Source — as if open source is any different from any other software — it’s just the pricing structure is different, that’s all. “ Dec 01 09:18
schestowitz – Andrew Pinder Dec 01 09:18
schestowitz Oh god. Dec 01 09:18
schestowitz “It’s a religion, it’s a real belief, and again they have a belief about bits of technology that are going to change things. What they don’t do, however, is organize things properly.” Dec 01 09:19
schestowitz – Andrew Pinder Dec 01 09:19
schestowitz Compare to: “Open source is not a movement; it’s a religion. It is a set of principles and practices that let everyone share non-existent or semi-existent intellectual property. Remember the Communist Manifesto: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” It is this generation’s Woodstock.” Dec 01 09:19
schestowitz –Howard Anderson Framingham Founder of The Yankee Group (2007) (Microsoft puppet) [source: http://www.networkworld.com/columnist… ] Dec 01 09:20
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Pinder “In this role, he gave a speech at the CBI in November 2001,[3] and spoke at a Microsoft-sponsored Government Leaders Conference in Seattle in April 2002, where he famously announced that the government’s target of putting all services online by 2005 could cost 800,000 public sector employees their jobs.[4]“ Dec 01 09:20
schestowitz Incestuous, no? Dec 01 09:21
schestowitz “He oversaw the rushed implementation in 2001 of the Government Gateway, a project for putting all the government services on-line, which was built by Microsoft in just 15 weeks and initially locked out all browsers except Microsoft’s own Internet Explorer. “ Dec 01 09:21
schestowitz “The deal also involved Microsoft using UK government intellectual property to build products for other governments in order to recoup some of the costs of building the technology. The rate of return was to the tune of 22% of their gross sales of the intellectual property, which Pinder hoped would “give us quite a lot of money”.[6]“ Dec 01 09:22
Omar87 schestowitz: Really, just ban him. All his posts are becoming completely irrelevant and just plain off-topic spam.. -_- Dec 01 09:22
schestowitz And that’s just ONE guy from BECTA’s board. I haven’t checked the rest. Dec 01 09:22
schestowitz Omar87: I can’t ban people. Dec 01 09:22
schestowitz I could discourage his postings, but can’t censor. Dec 01 09:23
kentma :-) Dec 01 09:23
kentma I recall that one… never miss a trick, do they?  Anything to prevent choice. Dec 01 09:23
kentma um, just seen the item on Microsoft stitching up the Ukrainian government. Dec 01 09:23
schestowitz Yes Dec 01 09:24
schestowitz Also the University of South Africa. Dec 01 09:24
schestowitz No Microsoft? No entry Dec 01 09:24
Omar87 schestowitz: at least put a red-colored sentence on his posts that says: “That’s the guy to talks about skydiving in a cooking website.”, or anything like that. Dec 01 09:25
schestowitz They suffocate SA because they move to F/OSS. Utterly disgusting.. they must have found some corruptible people to take a ‘real bargain’ t give away kids’ freedom Dec 01 09:25
schestowitz Omar87: maybe later. I’d rather point to examples of chronic stalking. He does the same thing in /. Dec 01 09:26
Omar87 schestowitz: ok, you know how to handle him. :) Dec 01 09:26
schestowitz UK education bodies partner with Microsoft to improve school ICT < http://www.publictechnology.net/modules.php?o… > Dec 01 09:28
schestowitz That’s another BECTA board member: Ralph Tabberer Dec 01 09:28
schestowitz Ralph Tabberer, from the TTA said; “We are looking forward to a productive working relationship with Microsoft over the next three years and we will work closely together ..” Dec 01 09:29
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BECTA “The current chairman of Becta holds the view that “open source is [no] different from any other software — it’s just the pricing structure is different, that’s all. But [its supporters] have a passion. It’s a religion, it’s a real belief.”[2]“ Dec 01 09:30
MinceR j0 Dec 01 09:33
Omar87 schestowitz: He’s got nothing to do but flaming and spamming everywhere he goes. The articles he posted about you, is just utter bulls#*t. Dec 01 09:35
schestowitz Lopa Patel… also from BECTA board… I guess I can’t see her without getting the Silver Lie. http://www.growingbusiness.co.uk/06… Dec 01 09:36
Omar87 I mean the article** Dec 01 09:36
schestowitz “Attendees: Andrew Pinder, John Roberts, Graham Moore, Stephen Gill, Derek Wise Stephen Crowne, Niel McLean, Tony Richardson, Ian Adams, Alan Cowie, Jane Williams, John Landeryou, Mark Wallbank, Roger Parr, Leigh Fish, John Newbigin, Doug Brown (part)”  < http://foi.becta.org.uk/content_files/corporate/r… > Dec 01 09:38
schestowitz “In discussion, Board members explored how Becta should engage with Microsoft, and secure benefits on behalf of the education sector, particularly around flexibility and price; and how the Board should support the Executive in the planned discussions with Microsoft.” Dec 01 09:38
kentma And they can’t see what’s wrong with that?  corruption really does run very very deep indeed. Dec 01 09:39
schestowitz Because… you know… you MUST buy from Microsoft…. yes… you MUST… you are getting very sweeeeeeeeepy…… you MUST. Dec 01 09:39
schestowitz “Stephen Crowne and Mark Wallbank introduced the paper and updated the Board on the issues and progress.” Dec 01 09:39
schestowitz “Summing up, the Chairman said the Board was broadly content with progress so far. The forthcoming meeting with Microsoft was an important opportunity to deal with the outstanding issues.” Dec 01 09:40
schestowitz So… did they ditch Microsoft? Or did they sign another secret deal that the ‘stupid’ taxpayers are BY NO MEANS permitted to know about… e.g. how much they paid. Dec 01 09:40
schestowitz “Action: A small group of the Board (John Roberts, Steve Gill, Graham Moore and Andrew Pinder) to support the Executive in its discussions with Microsoft” Dec 01 09:41
schestowitz That was in MAY 2008, mind you… Dec 01 09:41
schestowitz After the OOXML corruption.. including the lawsuit against the BSI for its corruption… Dec 01 09:42
schestowitz Amazing. The government distortion continues… http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/… “The software for the e-tax system has been written in a mix of Delphi, VB, C++, C# and VB.NET, with the user application being mainly in Delphi, which the ATO would like to maintain.” Dec 01 09:49
kentma I think that their totally pro-Microsoft bias was so challenged that in the end, they had to let someone else into the fold, namely Sirius, as to do anything else would be as good as Becta seniors walking around the Microsoft passcards. Dec 01 09:53
kentma Publicity really is the best defence against this kind of corruption. Dec 01 09:53
schestowitz Here’s what I think happens, which is unfortunate. Dec 01 09:54
schestowitz Open source people slam BECTA Dec 01 09:54
schestowitz BECTA then fears and loathes open source. Dec 01 09:54
schestowitz Open source people slam BECTA again. Dec 01 09:54
schestowitz BECTA runs away to Microsoft for protection. Dec 01 09:54
schestowitz Microsoft serves kool-aid about that so-called “religion” and relationship between BECTA and MS tightens. Dec 01 09:55
schestowitz In due time, executives too might be swapped. BECTA fails to realise the goals of education and basic things like skills they are intended to give kids. Dec 01 09:55
schestowitz It’s not about training for $Product from $Vendor and depriving kids of access to data (proprietary format), media (DRM-O/S, aka VIsta), choice of applications and most importantly discrimination against the poor that cannot afford the software taught (or will be forced to pay later). There’s NO software scarcity. It’s digital. Dec 01 09:57
kentma There could also be some of the “conservatory problem” going on – some promise of future personal benefit, at some time.  Like “we’ll pay for your conservatory next year” sort of thing. Dec 01 10:00
schestowitz libervis is actually sidling with ‘ownership’ of ideas… *shudder* http://www.libervis.com/article/ide… Dec 01 10:01
schestowitz kentma: yes, deferred reward. Dec 01 10:01
schestowitz Examples.. Dec 01 10:01
kentma Ah, so we’re going to have “unauthorised thought processes” soon, when you have an idea which isn’t allowed… Dec 01 10:02
schestowitz http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Ash… Dec 01 10:02
schestowitz And http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/14/p… Dec 01 10:02
schestowitz kentma: that “unauthorised thought processes” could create job. That’s a lot of policing to do. :-) Dec 01 10:04
schestowitz *jobs Dec 01 10:04
kentma the libervis article is flawed at the very beginning – it defines an individual as one and only one thing, namely the collection of millions of cells, molecules, atoms, which is a human being.  However, a collection of human beings “a collective” cannot have a single view according to the article, but the collection of cells which is a person, can.  How very very simplistic. Dec 01 10:04
schestowitz http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/ (Minority Report) Dec 01 10:05
schestowitz http://slated.org/the_right… Dec 01 10:05
schestowitz Haha. He has this in the footer: https://www.dephormation.org.uk/… Dec 01 10:06
schestowitz He blocks all traffic from Whorn [sic] enabled ISPs Dec 01 10:06
schestowitz It’s calling for a boycott on Dabs and BT Dec 01 10:07
kentma so I see… Dec 01 10:08
schestowitz Maybe they’ll reverse action. It’s still an active discussion, but that $company is trying to erase the past by eliminating critical posts. Dec 01 10:11
schestowitz Microsofto does this too… recent examples include Hotmail rants and Forza2 threads. Dec 01 10:12
schestowitz Stuart Cohen: Open Source: The Model Is Broken < http://www.businessweek.com/technology/conten… > Dec 01 10:14
schestowitz BW has also just published pro-FOSS articles. Dec 01 10:14
schestowitz Let’s see if Stuart is just trying to market himself (CIS) by throwing dirt. Dec 01 10:14
schestowitz “Change has been afoot for some time. Two years ago, Microsoft (MSFT) stunned the world by forming a partnership with Novell (NOVL), a company specializing in the open-source Linux operating system that competes with Windows. Before that, Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer would have had us all believe that Linux and open source were un-American, cancers of the worst kind. Meanwhile the hard-core open-source faction sc Dec 01 10:15
schestowitz reamed foul on Novell, claiming it was really an old-fashioned shakedown, with Microsoft promising not to sue companies that used Novell’s “Redmond-approved” version of Linux.” Dec 01 10:15
schestowitz I see he’s still a Novell/Microsoft apologist Dec 01 10:15
schestowitz Like Zemlin for all I can tell. They are, after all, somewhat of an IBM front and IBM supported the horrid patent deal. Dec 01 10:15
schestowitz “I was one of the few open-source CEOs to support that deal while at Open Source Development Labs, and I even joined Ballmer and Novell CEO Ron Hovsepian on stage that day. “ Dec 01 10:16
schestowitz Fol. Dec 01 10:16
schestowitz Fool. Dec 01 10:16
schestowitz They say this may have caused OSDL to collapse. Dec 01 10:16
*schestowitz looks outside at the first snow shower this year Dec 01 10:17
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Omar87 schestowitz: can I use XHTML tags in my comments? Dec 01 10:47
schestowitz Yes, but some might not work. Dec 01 10:47
schestowitz Like JavaScript and font size Dec 01 10:47
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Omar87 I want to quote something from another topic. Dec 01 10:47
Omar87 from another comment sorry. Dec 01 10:48
schestowitz use <blockquote>blah</blockquote> Dec 01 10:49
Omar87 schestowitz: can you please cancel my latest comment on “Novel Leaps”? Dec 01 10:55
schestowitz Sure Dec 01 10:58
PetoKraus FINALLY Dec 01 10:59
PetoKraus I got reply from the owners of the flat above Dec 01 10:59
PetoKraus “Our plumbers visited the property last week and confirmed that the water seems to be coming down the back wall as a result of insufficient sealing around the bath area.” Dec 01 10:59
schestowitz “On November 12, 2008, a group of artists and activists unveiled a brilliant spoof of the New York Times, widely distributed to readers in New York and Los Angeles. This “July 4, 2009″ version of the Times — which the real New York Times described as a “Grade-A caper” — boldly announced the end of the Iraq War” http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/11/d… Dec 01 11:01
trmanco good morning Dec 01 11:11
Omar87 schestowitz: Sorry for the inconvenience, can you also moderate my comment too? Dec 01 11:13
schestowitz Sure, hold on. Dec 01 11:13
schestowitz What do you mean by moderate? Dec 01 11:13
Omar87 schestowitz: can you please correct “just as all a favor” to “just do us all a favor” ? Dec 01 11:13
schestowitz Ok, sure. Dec 01 11:16
Omar87 schestowitz: Thanks a lot. Dec 01 11:16
kentma1 how about “just do us all a favour”… Dec 01 11:32
kentma1 :-) Dec 01 11:32
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Eruaran Microsoft has informed us that we haven’t done any advertising for them and that if we put some Vista advertising in our newspaper ad this week it will be some thousands in the bank for us in marketing money from M$. There is also a bonus on offer… though in my distain for the whole thing today I didn’t pay attention to what that was about. Dec 01 12:04
Eruaran I suggested that we put the Vista stuff in our ad with Tux next to it with “Linux ready” underneath. Dec 01 12:06
schestowitz Wow Dec 01 12:07
Eruaran My employers said they would be expecting a visit from Microsoft heavies if we do that. Dec 01 12:07
schestowitz That’s news to me. Dec 01 12:07
schestowitz People like Helios have always suspected this. Dec 01 12:07
schestowitz I can publish something about it, right? Dec 01 12:07
Eruaran Sure, its not a secret… though I don’t want to divulge who I work for Dec 01 12:08
schestowitz Cool. Dec 01 12:08
Eruaran This is how Microsoft gets all that Vista stuff in ads and things. Dec 01 12:08
Eruaran They pay you for it. Dec 01 12:08
schestowitz Yes, it all comes together now. Dec 01 12:08
schestowitz I haven’t come across the smoking huns. Dec 01 12:08
schestowitz But it ws clear that the “vendor recommend WIndows” thing was a sellout. Dec 01 12:09
Eruaran I can get a copy of the email for you Dec 01 12:09
schestowitz Please Dec 01 12:09
schestowitz r at schestowitz dot com Dec 01 12:09
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Eruaran Wont be too long… I have to remote in as I don’t have it here Dec 01 12:10
schestowitz Thanks! Dec 01 12:11
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Eruaran forwarding to myself now… Dec 01 12:14
schestowitz I’d need to anonymise. Dec 01 12:15
Eruaran It has attachments… Dec 01 12:15
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Eruaran Did you know Windows SP2 cracks work with SP3 ? Dec 01 12:51
Eruaran No effort seems to have been made to make it more difficult to crack XP Dec 01 12:52
schestowitz Its too risky Dec 01 12:53
schestowitz Microsoft relies on counterfeiting. Dec 01 12:53
Eruaran yes Dec 01 12:53
schestowitz Those who won’t buy Windows MUST be able to crack it, else else [Linux] Dec 01 12:53
schestowitz Let me find the quote.. Dec 01 12:53
schestowitz Okay, it would take a while to find the URL, but I know this almost by heart Dec 01 12:54
schestowitz Gates said that (or was it Mundie?) that “If they are going to steal, then we want them to steal ours” Dec 01 12:54
Eruaran yes Dec 01 12:56
Eruaran When SP3 came out we just assumed that the old cracks would no longer work Dec 01 12:56
Eruaran (and we often use them, not to “pirate” Windows but rather to crack licenced copies becuase it is quicker than calling Microsoft… we just don’t have time to have it wasted on this sort of rubbish) Dec 01 12:57
schestowitz SP3 means “lipstick on a pig”, not “shackles on the pig” (that would be Vista) Dec 01 12:57
schestowitz Microsoft sues this ‘crack’ game to force China into Vista, from what I could gather. Dec 01 12:57
Eruaran I was a little surprised one day when I tried them and found they still worked exactly the same on SP3 Dec 01 12:58
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schestowitz I’s not a bug, it’s a feature. Dec 01 12:58
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schestowitz Register is peddling vapourware again: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/01/microbite3/ Dec 01 14:37
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trmanco Firefox Share Tops 20% for November: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/firefox-mark… Dec 01 14:49
kentma1 The MS game seems to be up.  They’re actually starting to get some real competition, having managed to destroy it all each time previously by one means or another.  I wonder if they’ll be able to cope with competition? Dec 01 14:50
kentma1 Their best play so far has been to un-EOL XP, but I wonder just how sustainable that is? Dec 01 14:52
MinceR they can never cope with competition Dec 01 14:53
MinceR and they can’t run away from it any more Dec 01 14:53
MinceR perhaps they should GPLv3 all their products and start building some goodwill Dec 01 14:53
kentma1 Hehe – it’s never too late to mediate :-) Dec 01 14:55
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MinceR that way they might even end up with products that actually work Dec 01 14:56
str8t_man any sleepy? :D Dec 01 14:57
str8t_man shit!!!! :’( Dec 01 14:58
kentma1 They would need to move from “release early, never fix problems and add new features constantly” to “release when it works” Dec 01 14:59
schestowitz trmanco: these stats are noise. Dec 01 14:59
trmanco better then not have have them Dec 01 15:00
trmanco not to have* Dec 01 15:00
schestowitz Google has good stats. Dec 01 15:00
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schestowitz But they are biased towards Google users although it has “Analytics” spyware as well. Dec 01 15:01
PetoKraus schestowitz: they are not bad though Dec 01 15:01
PetoKraus 20% is massive Dec 01 15:01
trmanco yes but they aren’t public Dec 01 15:01
trmanco I just wonder what sites are they getting this info from (net applications) Dec 01 15:02
schestowitz It’s not sites. Dec 01 15:02
schestowitz http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/07… Dec 01 15:03
trmanco then from where do they get this info? Dec 01 15:03
schestowitz “We collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on-demand network of live stats customers.” Dec 01 15:04
trmanco oh Dec 01 15:04
trmanco i get it now Dec 01 15:04
schestowitz “In addition, we classify 430+ referral sources identified as search engines. Aggregate traffic referrals from these engines are summarized and reported monthly. The statistics for search engines include both organic and sponsored referrals. The websites in our population represent dozens of countries in regions including North America, South America, Western Europe, Australia / Pacific Rim and Parts of Asia.” Dec 01 15:05
schestowitz REFERRALS! Dec 01 15:05
schestowitz 12 countries, doesn’t say which ones and how many sites from each… site size, eyc. Dec 01 15:05
trmanco well Dec 01 15:06
schestowitz No Linux sites there, I bet you $100 Dec 01 15:06
trmanco I wonder the stats of google’s homepage Dec 01 15:06
schestowitz They don’t give away people’s privacy Dec 01 15:06
schestowitz Stats are site- or population-speficis Dec 01 15:06
trmanco no bets, I don’t have $100 :-P Dec 01 15:07
schestowitz The question is, do you want to know installed base or site usage? It’s not the same thing. Dec 01 15:07
trmanco yes I know it’s not the same thing, but it would be nice to know installed base and site usage, to compare Dec 01 15:08
trmanco IMO Dec 01 15:08
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trmanco http://vimeo.com/2392602 -> The Simpsons “Mapple” Dec 01 15:12
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