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| Eruaran | Bring it on I say | Apr 09 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20... (Andrew Lloyd Weber Trashes The Internet As 'Somalia Of Theft And Piracy') | Apr 09 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: no, no rbing it on | Apr 09 17:46 |
| schestowitz | We lost DNS function this morning | Apr 09 17:46 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: check this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/0... | Apr 09 17:46 |
| Eruaran | heh | Apr 09 17:46 |
| Balrog | may be troublesome | Apr 09 17:46 |
| schestowitz | For the second time | Apr 09 17:46 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: dns function where? | Apr 09 17:47 |
| schestowitz | The last time is happaned was Conficker too | Apr 09 17:47 |
| Balrog | also conficker working group isn't working | Apr 09 17:47 |
| schestowitz | That was when it got born pretty much | Apr 09 17:47 |
| schestowitz | 15 million affected in days | Apr 09 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: that dude who comments about security only ever shows up in BN to slam my posts about security | Apr 09 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Systematically | Apr 09 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Thank The Economy For More Traffic Cameras < http://techdirt.com/articles/20... > | Apr 09 17:48 |
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| trmanco | IE must comply with web standards. (Opera has suggested that Microsoft must support web standards they have promised to support).: http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2... | Apr 09 17:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/x... <-- This article stated that Microsoftt admits Windows is not secure | Apr 09 18:06 |
| schestowitz | IDG broke the link | Apr 09 18:06 |
| Balrog | hmm ok. | Apr 09 18:07 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: that's bad | Apr 09 18:08 |
| Balrog | http://web.archive.org/web/20080209... works though | Apr 09 18:09 |
| Balrog | and they broke only that particular one :X | Apr 09 18:10 |
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| trmanco | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Foxc... | Apr 09 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: maybe they moved it? | Apr 09 18:33 |
| schestowitz | There is another example like this | Apr 09 18:33 |
| schestowitz | I contacted the author | Apr 09 18:33 |
| schestowitz | It's one that proves Windows and IIS are not secure... in scientific ways.. ALSO in ZDNet | Apr 09 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Someone reppectable whom I know says it's likely to be motivated by someone not liking the content | Apr 09 18:34 |
| schestowitz | It would be worth more to remove it than to keep it | Apr 09 18:34 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: doesn't seem that way | Apr 09 18:35 |
| Balrog | other articles from that timeframe still exist | Apr 09 18:35 |
| Balrog | (with old URLs) | Apr 09 18:35 |
| Balrog | 1/wi16 | Apr 09 18:36 |
| Balrog | sorry | Apr 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Conficker actually does something < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... > | Apr 09 18:36 |
| trmanco | XreaL: The Most Advanced Open-Source Game Engine?: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa... | Apr 09 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Game icon quits EA < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer... > | Apr 09 18:39 |
| schestowitz | The Inquirer calls Michael Larabel "Lord of Penguins " http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/7... Linus would be jealous. | Apr 09 18:42 |
| schestowitz | "Apple admits cracked Macbooks [...] Meanwhile Apple fanboys have been flooding us with cries that Macbook cases should be cracked and in two year's time Dell will be following the trend." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquir... | Apr 09 18:43 |
| trmanco | http://benanzo.blogspot.com/2009/0... | Apr 09 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks, seen it last night. | Apr 09 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Here are the winner of the KernelFoundation video content: http://blogs.computerworld.com/and_... | Apr 09 18:52 |
| schestowitz | *content | Apr 09 18:53 |
| schestowitz | >contest | Apr 09 18:53 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Apr 09 18:54 |
| silentivm | hi | Apr 09 18:54 |
| Omar87 | So, what do you think is the way to fight back against M$ in the netbook market? | Apr 09 18:54 |
| schestowitz | AP is totally losing it now. It's probably dying and looking for scapegoats. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... (AP YouTube Content "Misappropriated?") | Apr 09 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Microsoft loses money there. | Apr 09 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Still, about 1 in 3 runs GNU/Linux | Apr 09 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Both are virtually free | Apr 09 18:56 |
| schestowitz | And ARM will help even more. | Apr 09 18:56 |
| Omar87 | Producing a better Linux, alone, won't help. Because regardless of how good Linux is, M$ has this filthy little weapon called "marketing". | Apr 09 18:57 |
| Omar87 | Oh, and, don't forget "monopoly". | Apr 09 18:57 |
| Omar87 | What's ARM? | Apr 09 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: see http://www.google.com/search?hl=en... | Apr 09 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it's not marketing | Apr 09 19:00 |
| schestowitz | It's FUD. They also sobtage | Apr 09 19:00 |
| schestowitz | I got a 'payload' of Comes stuff today | Apr 09 19:00 |
| Omar87 | Which is why I called it "filthy". | Apr 09 19:00 |
| schestowitz | I need to post this at some stage. Sheer crime... Ballmer sabotaging competing OSes | Apr 09 19:00 |
| Omar87 | I know it's not only about marketing, it's much worse than that. | Apr 09 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft produced software to crash OS/2 | Apr 09 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Then sent Ballmer on a tour to spread FUD | Apr 09 19:01 |
| Eruaran | Why am I not surprised | Apr 09 19:01 |
| schestowitz | That's not marketing, it's crime | Apr 09 19:01 |
| schestowitz | They should be sentences to prison | Apr 09 19:01 |
| schestowitz | But it never appeared in the DOJ | Apr 09 19:01 |
| Omar87 | By marketing, I mean the filthy brainwashing techniques I keep seeing almost everywhere. Especially here in Jordan. | Apr 09 19:02 |
| Omar87 | But yes, there is actually more than just marketing.. | Apr 09 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Runs on Linux too: Hands-on: BumpTop may be desktop revamp you've waited for < http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2009... > | Apr 09 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Let me paste here what I have | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I will post these one day when I get full text (later in the year probably) | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | MS analyzes DR ROM DOS, I thought MS stated in public they only | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | ever tested MS-DOS? | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | http://edge-op.org/iowa/ww... | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Bill, at at the XP launch ceremony, reminiscences about the | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | 'original PC' and forgets to give IBM a mention :) | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | http://edge-op.org/iowa/www... | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | From: Prashant Sridharan | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 6:07 PM | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | To: Russ Arun | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Subject: RE: More Questions about ADO in java | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | "Screw Sun, cross-platform wil never work. Let's move on and steal | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | the Java language" | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | "That said, have we ever taken a look at how long it would take | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft to build a cross-platform Java that did work? Naturally, | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | we would never do it, but it would give us some idea of how much | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | time we have to work in killing Sun's Java". | Apr 09 19:06 |
| schestowitz | http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iow... | Apr 09 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | From: w-clairl Thu Jul 25 19:46:22 1991 | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | To: billg; bradsi; jimail; jonl; mikehal; paulma; richab; russw; | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | scotto; steveb | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Cc: billmi; cameronm; carls; garygi; julieg; martyta; mikemap; | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | rogersw; w-clairl; w-pamed | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Subject: SteveB press tour trip report (long mail) | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | SteveB went on the road to see the top weeklies, industry analysts | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | and business press this week to give our systems strategy. The | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | meetings included demos of Windows 3.1 (pen and multimedia | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | included), Windows NT, OS/2 2.0 including a "bad app" that | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | corrupted other applications and crashed the system. It was a very | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | valuable trip and needs to be repeated by other MS executives | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | throughout the next moneth so we hit all the publications and | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | analysts. | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | http://edge-op.org/iowa/www... | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | ############################ | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | ### this is fucking HUGE roy, they went out and designed an app to | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | specifically crash on OS/2 and then SteveO went on the road and | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | demoed it, explicitly knowing what it was designed to do !!!! | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | To: bobmu; bradsi; carls; jonl; steveb | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Subject: PM Bad App... | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | cc: ericfo | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Date: Thu Jun 27 09:30:12 1991 | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | > > From ericfo Thu Jun 27 09:27:07 1991 | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | To paulma | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Subject: Re: One Bad App | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Date: Thu Jun 27 09:28:30 1991 | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | I tested on 1.21,m 1.3, and 2.0 and it hangs all systems equally well... | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | ------- | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | There's lots more | Apr 09 19:07 |
| schestowitz | But I pollute IRC (flooding) | Apr 09 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I should post this criminal activity early. The problem is, there is so much of it in 9000 exhibits, where does one even /start/? | Apr 09 19:08 |
| Balrog | start anywhere, as long as you cover all of it | Apr 09 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | The New York Times is repeating Microsoft's lies: http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com... | Apr 09 19:13 |
| schestowitz | How they seed their lies... | Apr 09 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: eventually I'll have it all catalogued. | Apr 09 19:14 |
| schestowitz | This can take /years/ | Apr 09 19:14 |
| schestowitz | And now Katherine Noyes parrots another talking point from IDG: http://www.technewsworld.com/s... | Apr 09 19:15 |
| Balrog | I see. :( | Apr 09 19:15 |
| Eruaran | Linux continues to grow | Apr 09 19:16 |
| balzac | Roy, where'd you get that email from? | Apr 09 19:16 |
| Balrog | sure does. | Apr 09 19:16 |
| Eruaran | GPL software is like creeping death for Microsoft. Their behavior will get worse before its all over. | Apr 09 19:17 |
| Eruaran | But it is good to document their deeds. | Apr 09 19:18 |
| Eruaran | Our children will look back upon these times and ask how it was that people put up with the Microsoft monopoly for so long. | Apr 09 19:19 |
| balzac | misdeeds | Apr 09 19:19 |
| Eruaran | indeed | Apr 09 19:20 |
| balzac | dirty deeds, done dirt cheap | Apr 09 19:20 |
| balzac | dirty deeds, done with sheep | Apr 09 19:20 |
| balzac | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqLTCemBwt8 | Apr 09 19:21 |
| balzac | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqLTCemBwt8 | Apr 09 19:22 |
| balzac | wait | Apr 09 19:22 |
| balzac | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCRE9qOgbug | Apr 09 19:22 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I'll process a lot later | Apr 09 19:23 |
| schestowitz | balzac: is that last one the NX version? | Apr 09 19:24 |
| schestowitz | *NZ | Apr 09 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Who is ericfo from Microsoft? | Apr 09 19:25 |
| schestowitz | I know their shill Erikfu | Apr 09 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Not an Ericfo | Apr 09 19:25 |
| schestowitz | There's also the Brad Silverberg criminal further down in their chain | Apr 09 19:25 |
| schestowitz | That's the guy who calls to "cull those f*ckers off" when talking about competition | Apr 09 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Or "tiling in death spiral" | Apr 09 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Bunch of mafia thugs... plain and simple... not even subjective | Apr 09 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Allchin: "piss on Java" | Apr 09 19:26 |
| schestowitz | And Miguel the Impaler is helping those criminals against Java | Apr 09 19:26 |
| Balrog | java is not going anywhere anytime soon | Apr 09 19:27 |
| Eruaran | They can't beat something that is cross platform with something that isn't (and mono doesn't cut it). | Apr 09 19:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/so... "Waugh made the announcement in a blog post and said that she would be withdrawing from the business she created with her husband as well as stepping back from her open-source advocacy efforts." | Apr 09 19:29 |
| schestowitz | :-( | Apr 09 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Well, it didn't work well for her husband in GNOME | Apr 09 19:29 |
| schestowitz | he lft in December IIRC | Apr 09 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Java is already the leader | Apr 09 19:29 |
| Balrog | of course it is | Apr 09 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Don't tell Novell | Apr 09 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Them and Microsoft use lackey journos | Apr 09 19:30 |
| schestowitz | They generate anti-Java headlines | Apr 09 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Not by accident | Apr 09 19:30 |
| Eruaran | I think Miguel wants to infect GNOME with Mono to help Microsoft | Apr 09 19:30 |
| schestowitz | This is shown in Comes vs Microsoft E-mails | Apr 09 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pretends the rivals are dead | Apr 09 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Like the XP 96% market share on netbooks LIE | Apr 09 19:30 |
| Balrog | heh yeah. | Apr 09 19:30 |
| schestowitz | It's supposed to scare OEMs.. or devs away from Java | Apr 09 19:30 |
| Balrog | though too many netbooks are running windows :X | Apr 09 19:30 |
| Eruaran | Even if that was true, the question I ask is this : | Apr 09 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Ms says < http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten... >: | Apr 09 19:31 |
| schestowitz | "Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2." Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry." | Apr 09 19:31 |
| schestowitz | "We want to place selection pressure on those companies and individuals that show a genetic weakness for competitors' technologies, to make the industry increasingly resistant to such unhealthy strains, over time." | Apr 09 19:31 |
| Eruaran | Why aren't alarm bells ringing ? Why aren't lawyers being called ? | Apr 09 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Against MS? | Apr 09 19:31 |
| Eruaran | You DON'T get that kind of market share in 12 months in a free and open market | Apr 09 19:31 |
| Eruaran | You just dont | Apr 09 19:31 |
| schestowitz | They pressured OEMs | Apr 09 19:32 |
| schestowitz | ASUS admitted this | Apr 09 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Saying it was "tied up with Microsoft" | Apr 09 19:32 |
| Eruaran | thats what I mean | Apr 09 19:32 |
| schestowitz | They brainwashed and pampered them | Apr 09 19:32 |
| schestowitz | To block and strangle rivals | Apr 09 19:32 |
| schestowitz | That's Microsoft | Apr 09 19:32 |
| schestowitz | And they are above the law in the US | Apr 09 19:32 |
| schestowitz | THey toss judges who would say the truth | Apr 09 19:32 |
| Eruaran | You can't claim people are choosing your OS when it is the only one on offer by default and it is deliberately made difficult to get anything else | Apr 09 19:32 |
| schestowitz | In ISO, they would get rid of convenors who do their job | Apr 09 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Put cronies in instead | Apr 09 19:33 |
| Eruaran | Its like the North Korean communist party claiming a landslide election win | Apr 09 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Same in Massachusetts | Apr 09 19:33 |
| schestowitz | The honourable Judge Jackson said they should be put on criminal trial | Apr 09 19:33 |
| Eruaran | They should | Apr 09 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they want to force people to buy Windows | Apr 09 19:34 |
| Eruaran | I believe Microsoft's ties in Australian education should be investigate | Apr 09 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Then eipe it | Apr 09 19:34 |
| Eruaran | *investigated | Apr 09 19:34 |
| schestowitz | It counts as 'Windows | Apr 09 19:34 |
| Eruaran | There is collusion going on | Apr 09 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't like being investiagted | Apr 09 19:34 |
| schestowitz | See Gates deposition video | Apr 09 19:34 |
| Eruaran | New South Wales DET is a prime example | Apr 09 19:34 |
| schestowitz | He treats the judges like they are kids | Apr 09 19:34 |
| schestowitz | He said to a magazine in the 90s that he wants to control the world | Apr 09 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Now he's already in politics | Apr 09 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Doing the white-collar crime from outside Microsoft | Apr 09 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Disguised as charity, of course | Apr 09 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Like older criminals who used the same schemes | Apr 09 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: maybe NSW got a little visit from 'charitable' gates | Apr 09 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe :-) | Apr 09 19:35 |
| Eruaran | I want to know why the New South Wales DET favors a disgracefully cozy deal with a convicted monopolist | Apr 09 19:35 |
| schestowitz | I kid here mostly | Apr 09 19:35 |
| Eruaran | Spending taxpayer dollars on an 8 year old operating system | Apr 09 19:36 |
| Eruaran | committing to upgrading and spending more taxpayer dollars on Windows 7 based on the mere assurance from Microsoft that it would run fine on their netbooks | Apr 09 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Apr 09 19:37 |
| Eruaran | corrupt retarded luddite gumps | Apr 09 19:37 |
| schestowitz | They still offers downgrades | Apr 09 19:37 |
| schestowitz | PRIOR TO RELEASE | Apr 09 19:37 |
| Eruaran | yes | Apr 09 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Even with VIsta they made no such promises | Apr 09 19:37 |
| schestowitz | How bad can it be? | Apr 09 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Well, marketing conceals ti | Apr 09 19:38 |
| schestowitz | They bribes bloggers alreadt | Apr 09 19:38 |
| schestowitz | *already | Apr 09 19:38 |
| Eruaran | they must have put the DRM in now | Apr 09 19:38 |
| Eruaran | so it will be a dog | Apr 09 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes, fro MAFIAA and lockin | Apr 09 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Remember Gates' 'security as a lockin" | Apr 09 19:38 |
| schestowitz | They can pressure Intel and OEMs to price up the netbooks | Apr 09 19:39 |
| schestowitz | To make them not just boot Vista7+DRM | Apr 09 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Intel comes up with dual-core Atoms | Apr 09 19:39 |
| schestowitz | But it's all part of the scam | Apr 09 19:39 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft destroyed Netbooks | Apr 09 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Remember "Vista capable" | Apr 09 19:39 |
| Eruaran | Now they're just little notebooks | Apr 09 19:39 |
| schestowitz | They are doing it all over again, IMHO | Apr 09 19:39 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: ARM is going to cause problems for MS | Apr 09 19:39 |
| schestowitz | They either do this or go out of business faster. | Apr 09 19:39 |
| Eruaran | RIP Netbook, killed by Microsoft greed. | Apr 09 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: But ARM is coming | Apr 09 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Back to basics | Apr 09 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Not far devices that suck up battery power | Apr 09 19:40 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: yes, I'm hopeful | Apr 09 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: don't worry | Apr 09 19:40 |
| schestowitz | They make nothing out of it | Apr 09 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Just keeping market share | Apr 09 19:40 |
| schestowitz | $4 Windows.. | Apr 09 19:40 |
| Balrog | that won't help if Windows won't run on the platform | Apr 09 19:40 |
| schestowitz | They can try to starve Linux also with FUD | Apr 09 19:40 |
| schestowitz | It won't make it go away | Apr 09 19:40 |
| schestowitz | It may work for OS/2... | Apr 09 19:40 |
| Balrog | $4 windows is no good on a chip that won't run it. | Apr 09 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 09 19:41 |
| schestowitz | But they have a chkehold on OEMS | Apr 09 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Like ASUS | Apr 09 19:41 |
| schestowitz | So they'll sign some deald | Apr 09 19:41 |
| schestowitz | The back-room type deals.. | Apr 09 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Like ones that specify hardware | Apr 09 19:41 |
| Balrog | you mean preventing ARM from being used? | Apr 09 19:41 |
| Eruaran | Other upstart manufacturers will rise | Apr 09 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Remember those? | Apr 09 19:41 |
| schestowitz | From March 2008? | Apr 09 19:41 |
| Balrog | then they'll try to kill them :( | Apr 09 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tells OEMs what h/w to use for cheap Windows | Apr 09 19:41 |
| Eruaran | who are not prisoners of M$ | Apr 09 19:42 |
| Balrog | well, ARM is separate from Windows | Apr 09 19:42 |
| schestowitz | This is a way of controlling/restricitng what HARDWARE customers get | Apr 09 19:42 |
| schestowitz | That's Microsoft messing with h/w too | Apr 09 19:42 |
| Eruaran | yes | Apr 09 19:42 |
| Eruaran | disgusting | Apr 09 19:42 |
| Balrog | I see. :( | Apr 09 19:43 |
| Balrog | they could use bad PR and then we'd have a situation like back when Macs used PPC | Apr 09 19:44 |
| Balrog | yeah, ppc was better / more efficient, but it can't run Windows! and the MHz is so much lower! | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... | Apr 09 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Great news: French "Three Strikes" Law Unexpectedly Thrown Out < http://www.computerworlduk.com/commun... > | Apr 09 19:48 |
| schestowitz | WHAT?? James Bottomley works at Novell? | Apr 09 19:54 |
| schestowitz | BN has just been StumbleUponed | Apr 09 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Common Purpose: Another Cog in Obama's PR Machine < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8328 > "Ben Smith reports on the Common Purpose Project, a new group formed to enforce message discipline among liberal organizations supporting the Obama Administration." With all the crimes Microsoft commits, these don't directly kill people of innocent people, to put things in perspective. | Apr 09 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | Canada's Prime Minister Installs Tar Sands Exec as "Clean Energy" Envoy to US < http://www.desmogblog.com/harper-insta... > | Apr 09 20:06 |
| tacone | schestowitz: mono devs tried to press gnome-zeitgeist to be ported to mono from python. | Apr 09 20:06 |
| tacone | http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2009/... | Apr 09 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Associated Gangsters still at it: A.P. Exec Doesn’t Know It Has A YouTube Channel: Threatens Affiliate For Embedding Videos < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/0... > | Apr 09 20:07 |
| *schestowitz looks | Apr 09 20:07 | |
| trmanco | tacone, so that it can start being slow... | Apr 09 20:07 |
| schestowitz | tacone: just mono devs | Apr 09 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Any MS or Novell connection? | Apr 09 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm not being paranoid | Apr 09 20:07 |
| tacone | read my link | Apr 09 20:08 |
| schestowitz | You'd often find that they are employed by an MS partner/ally | Apr 09 20:08 |
| tacone | the first comments are people asking for more mono. | Apr 09 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Like the Canadian ISV that tried to shove Mono in LiMo | Apr 09 20:08 |
| tacone | 'i might help with bugfix :-)' | Apr 09 20:08 |
| schestowitz | I.e. poison many phones | Apr 09 20:08 |
| tacone | the reply: "We decided to stay with Python!" | Apr 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | tacone: OK, good. I got that | Apr 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Will mentioned it..... | Apr 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | tacone: are you also in France? | Apr 09 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Sarko suffered a defeat: http://www.computerworlduk.com/co... | Apr 09 20:10 |
| tacone | no. i have been in france for a month. | Apr 09 20:10 |
| tacone | great ! | Apr 09 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure if it was ashena who was in France/Italy yoo | Apr 09 20:11 |
| schestowitz | *too | Apr 09 20:11 |
| tacone | i'm in italy. and here people contacted france ministers to better import their doctrine | Apr 09 20:11 |
| tacone | err | Apr 09 20:11 |
| tacone | people = ministers | Apr 09 20:11 |
| tacone | italian ministers contacted french government to better learn how they could fuck people without noticing. | Apr 09 20:12 |
| tacone | also I should note, iirc the law approval was aided by a low number of voters. | Apr 09 20:13 |
| schestowitz | yes | Apr 09 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Designed | Apr 09 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Mcirosofgt uses similar methods | Apr 09 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Like to people about deadline | Apr 09 20:13 |
| schestowitz | In Poland also there were some stunts where absent people's vote was rigged | Apr 09 20:14 |
| tacone | Also: the 17th april comes the pirate bay trial sentence. | Apr 09 20:14 |
| schestowitz | It's all in BN, now filed | Apr 09 20:14 |
| schestowitz | tacone: http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok... | Apr 09 20:14 |
| schestowitz | They are being silly. People can still pass stuff using archives | Apr 09 20:14 |
| schestowitz | This is worse than the 'war' on drugs | Apr 09 20:15 |
| schestowitz | It'll have families disconnected because of naughty kids | Apr 09 20:15 |
| schestowitz | =damage | Apr 09 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Benefit? none. | Apr 09 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Because people will still spread data | Apr 09 20:15 |
| schestowitz | They'll just pay more for Internet nannies and stuff | Apr 09 20:15 |
| tacone | well no | Apr 09 20:15 |
| tacone | sharing it's already illegal | Apr 09 20:15 |
| tacone | the thing is | Apr 09 20:15 |
| tacone | are we talking about sarko doctrine, right ? | Apr 09 20:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/c... "Dubai was meant to be a Middle-Eastern Shangri-La, a glittering monument to Arab enterprise and western capitalism. But as hard times arrive in the city state that rose from the desert sands, an uglier story is emerging. Johann Hari reports" | Apr 09 20:16 |
| schestowitz | The UK is said to have become bankrupt | Apr 09 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Too much dependency on the US ecnomy | Apr 09 20:16 |
| tacone | sarko doctrine is not about 1 or 3 strike | Apr 09 20:16 |
| schestowitz | US is the new USSR, economically at least :-( | Apr 09 20:17 |
| tacone | is about shutting down internet without having to ask to a judge. | Apr 09 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Isn't sarko's wife full of vested interests? | Apr 09 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I bet that after the turnaround, Sarko won't be getting any tonight | Apr 09 20:17 |
| tacone | so that may compromise freedom of speech | Apr 09 20:17 |
| schestowitz | it's appalling that they allow this conflict of interest to go ignored | Apr 09 20:17 |
| tacone | because everyone can be suspected of illegal sharing | Apr 09 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Like Majoras in FTC... | Apr 09 20:17 |
| tacone | and shut down in a day. | Apr 09 20:18 |
| schestowitz | And he husband | Apr 09 20:18 |
| tacone | I don't know much about Carla | Apr 09 20:18 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Obama has just gotten privileges to shut down the net | Apr 09 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It made many headline | Apr 09 20:18 |
| tacone | but I prefer her to her husband | Apr 09 20:18 |
| schestowitz | They make those leaders too powerful | Apr 09 20:18 |
| tacone | schestowitz: that's a different thing. | Apr 09 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Tyrants (potentially), not elected representatives | Apr 09 20:18 |
| tacone | it's difficult to bribe obama | Apr 09 20:19 |
| tacone | it's easier to bribe an ISP | Apr 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Done all the time | Apr 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They are paid per snoop | Apr 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Good bizniz for them | Apr 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | here in the UK they sell customers data | Apr 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Phorm/Websense | Apr 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | It's crime | Apr 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | The EU protested | Apr 09 20:19 |
| tacone | yep. | Apr 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Brown and his cronies ignored | Apr 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They like profiling people. | Apr 09 20:19 |
| tacone | to better know who to beat in the next g20. | Apr 09 20:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.laquadrature.net/fr/ha... "L'Assemblée nationale a rejeté le texte, dans un revirement suprenant, lors de la discussion finale sur la loi HADOPI issue de la commission mixte paritaire, avec 15 voix pour et 21 contre." | Apr 09 20:20 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yeah, that too | Apr 09 20:20 |
| schestowitz | For some people like animal activists it's an isue | Apr 09 20:20 |
| schestowitz | People like us are not dangerous | Apr 09 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Political activists are | Apr 09 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Talking about human lives, not netbooks and USB drives ; -p | Apr 09 20:21 |
| tacone | i know. | Apr 09 20:21 |
| tacone | journalists | Apr 09 20:21 |
| tacone | even judges | Apr 09 20:21 |
| schestowitz | http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Photorestrict/ "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Remove new restrictions on photography in public places." | Apr 09 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Land of free people, aye? :-) | Apr 09 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Elderly woman prohibited from photographing empty swimming pool "to prevent paedophilia" < http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/25... > | Apr 09 20:25 |
| trmanco | "How do you power off this machine? | Apr 09 20:26 |
| trmanco | -- Linus, when upgrading linux.cs.helsinki.fi, | Apr 09 20:26 |
| trmanco | and after using the machine for several months | Apr 09 20:26 |
| trmanco | " | Apr 09 20:26 |
| trmanco | http://www.azzit.de/humor/118.html | Apr 09 20:26 |
| schestowitz | France rejects Three Strikes < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... > | Apr 09 20:26 |
| tacone | they will just try again. | Apr 09 20:28 |
| tacone | they have the majority. | Apr 09 20:28 |
| tacone | it was luck. | Apr 09 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Bidders 'plot Nortel break up' < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... >. Good riddance, I guess. They helped Microsoft. | Apr 09 20:30 |
| schestowitz | MS press, but just a random weird brainfart: GNU Windows 7? - ZDNet UK < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/b... > | Apr 09 20:34 |
| tacone | http://tinyurl.com/ckxe38 | Apr 09 20:36 |
| schestowitz | tacone: we must apply more pressure by informing about Mono | Apr 09 20:38 |
| tacone | like ? | Apr 09 20:39 |
| schestowitz | More people have begun realizing the ramification, esp. after FAT. Mono is a bloodlife to Novell (and Microsoft) | Apr 09 20:39 |
| schestowitz | tacone: need evidence | Apr 09 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Like the one you gave about zeitgeist. I don't watch Mono blogs closely | Apr 09 20:39 |
| tacone | so, what are you suggesting ? | Apr 09 20:40 |
| tacone | increase the number of mono post or what ? | Apr 09 20:40 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009... | Apr 09 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Can you find the page in the Mono site with a list of projects? | Apr 09 20:41 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure I saw it in some Wiki | Apr 09 20:41 |
| tacone | mh, i'm looking but i never saw that. | Apr 09 20:42 |
| tacone | http://projects.cs.luc.edu/c... | Apr 09 20:44 |
| tacone | not by any means complete | Apr 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Apr 09 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Updating to Mandriva 2009.1 (Cooker) < http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordp... > | Apr 09 20:52 |
| schestowitz | 1 GB of Computer Memory - 1980 vs 2009 < http://codepad.classhelper.org/1-... > | Apr 09 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has demoralised Linux fans with its utter LIES: http://www.roytanck.com/2009/04/0... | Apr 09 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft/Intel tactics: yearning for days of overprized computers: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924... (Intel VP: Netbooks not for adults) | Apr 09 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Fortune magzine is one of the most Microsoft-friendly publications out there (I could give example like thew Gates Foundation plants and the anti-Linux FUD from 2007) | Apr 09 21:10 |
| schestowitz | I've just realised that I forgot to add Andy Patrizio to my list. He's one of the pro-Microsoft guns in the press. | Apr 09 21:12 |
| schestowitz | MSBlankenhorn: "Winning the OS war here meant dropping XP at $3/copy. Even if you add old versions of common applications to that bundle, fact is you’re not making money, and you’re making your margins wafer thin." http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3933 | Apr 09 21:13 |
| schestowitz | So this suggests that WinXP is now sold for $3 (I previously heard $4 and $5) http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3933 | Apr 09 21:13 |
| tacone | it is | Apr 09 21:20 |
| tacone | doesn't matter the precise prize. | Apr 09 21:20 |
| schestowitz | http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2... rigged panel. 40% are Novell employees!! | Apr 09 21:20 |
| tacone | it's being sold at the right value, now | Apr 09 21:20 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 09 21:21 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Apr 09 21:21 |
| schestowitz | $6 | Apr 09 21:21 |
| tacone | fact is | Apr 09 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Would you like Coke with that? | Apr 09 21:21 |
| tacone | it's only chinese to pay the right price | Apr 09 21:21 |
| tacone | not coke. pepsi. | Apr 09 21:21 |
| tacone | oh fuck. muine is mono. | Apr 09 21:24 |
| *tacone is getting sick | Apr 09 21:24 | |
| schestowitz | Mononucleosis? | Apr 09 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Try mononono | Apr 09 21:25 |
| schestowitz | No need for doctor's prescription | Apr 09 21:25 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I shall post some links. Good day for Free software.. | Apr 09 21:28 |
| tacone | yeah ? | Apr 09 21:28 |
| tacone | nice to hear. | Apr 09 21:28 |
| tacone | btw i am going afk a bunch of minutes | Apr 09 21:28 |
| tacone | see you later. | Apr 09 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | Oldfields desktops go to Linux, Mac, and don’t look back < http://www.itnews.com.au/News/10060... > | Apr 09 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | Financial Services Love GNU/Linux < http://entmag.com/news/articl... > | Apr 09 21:43 |
| NeonFloss | http://redir.internet.com/rss/clic... | Apr 09 22:09 |
| NeonFloss | probobly have already heard that | Apr 09 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | yes, thank you | Apr 09 22:15 |
| schestowitz | The patent knife/sword cuts both ways | Apr 09 22:15 |
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| wispygalaxy | hey everyone! | Apr 09 22:43 |
| silentivm | hey | Apr 09 22:43 |
| wispygalaxy | what's up? | Apr 09 22:44 |
| wispygalaxy | i just finished classes for today | Apr 09 22:44 |
| silentivm | nothing really | Apr 09 22:44 |
| wispygalaxy | i was just talking to team members about a management project case study | Apr 09 22:44 |
| wispygalaxy | but now i'm free, woot | Apr 09 22:44 |
| wispygalaxy | *ping* schestowitz ;) | Apr 09 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 09 22:45 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Apr 09 22:46 |
| wispygalaxy | hiya roy :D | Apr 09 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Been ugly -- the weather today | Apr 09 22:46 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm doing great! | Apr 09 22:46 |
| wispygalaxy | awww it's so nice here | Apr 09 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Feels like winter, not spring | Apr 09 22:46 |
| wispygalaxy | i was looking at the pretty violets outside my dorm | Apr 09 22:46 |
| wispygalaxy | warmth cheers me up | Apr 09 22:47 |
| wispygalaxy | winter is so boring, it doesn't snow a lot here | Apr 09 22:47 |
| wispygalaxy | anyway, i hear ms had to pay $300 million | Apr 09 22:47 |
| trmanco | hello | Apr 09 22:48 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it'll appeal | Apr 09 22:49 |
| wispygalaxy | hiya tony :) | Apr 09 22:49 |
| schestowitz | They can probably bribe the judge or toss him | Apr 09 22:49 |
| wispygalaxy | yes, i heard about that roy | Apr 09 22:49 |
| wispygalaxy | ms is trying to bankrupt the poor small firms :( | Apr 09 22:49 |
| wispygalaxy | by having long trials | Apr 09 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Tony came back from Spain and caught the Mononucleosis de Icaza :-(( | Apr 09 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Had to format his brain | Apr 09 22:50 |
| wispygalaxy | haha! | Apr 09 22:51 |
| trmanco | is that me? I sure hope not :-p | Apr 09 22:52 |
| Balrog_ | hi everyone | Apr 09 22:52 |
| Balrog_ | I need to run though :( | Apr 09 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | hey balrog! | Apr 09 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | get well soon tony :) | Apr 09 22:53 |
| Balrog_ | :) | Apr 09 22:53 |
| wispygalaxy | where are you heading, balrog | Apr 09 22:53 |
| tacone | a Mono conference probably. | Apr 09 23:00 |
| tacone | LEE08 | Apr 09 23:00 |
| tacone | Let's Embrace & Extend 2008 | Apr 09 23:00 |
| tacone | err 2009 :) | Apr 09 23:00 |
| wispygalaxy | haha i mix up 2008 and 2009 too :) | Apr 09 23:01 |
| wispygalaxy | and it's april | Apr 09 23:01 |
| wispygalaxy | i should have gotten over it in january | Apr 09 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: no, Mono is SO yesterday | Apr 09 23:07 |
| schestowitz | 2008 seems right | Apr 09 23:07 |
| tacone | schestowitz: oh, mono is so '90 ! | Apr 09 23:07 |
| schestowitz | .NET? 90s? | Apr 09 23:08 |
| schestowitz | No, Java... | Apr 09 23:08 |
| tacone | umh. | Apr 09 23:08 |
| tacone | right. | Apr 09 23:08 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/... | Apr 09 23:08 |
| tacone | oh | Apr 09 23:08 |
| tacone | i never saw that wiki | Apr 09 23:08 |
| silentivm | neither did I | Apr 09 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | me three | Apr 09 23:10 |
| tacone | you should link it better from the homepage | Apr 09 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: it's still work in progress | Apr 09 23:14 |
| tacone | ok. | Apr 09 23:14 |
| tacone | i still think a google map with an heat map of corruption in various countries would be a nice thing. | Apr 09 23:15 |
| tacone | but i'm unable to find any example of heat map on google maps around. | Apr 09 23:15 |
| balzac | man, thank goodness tomorrow is friday | Apr 09 23:20 |
| balzac | jesus christ, I need a break | Apr 09 23:20 |
| wispygalaxy | hi balzac | Apr 09 23:20 |
| balzac | hi wispygalaxy | Apr 09 23:20 |
| wispygalaxy | tgif yay! | Apr 09 23:20 |
| balzac | tgtif | Apr 09 23:21 |
| tacone | Press ALT+F2, then type "gegls from outer space" | Apr 09 23:21 |
| balzac | i'm celebrating almost getting through thursday | Apr 09 23:21 |
| tacone | (gnome) | Apr 09 23:21 |
| wispygalaxy | im off for tomorrow | Apr 09 23:23 |
| wispygalaxy | no classes | Apr 09 23:23 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 09 23:23 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya | Apr 09 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Long weekend for me :-( | Apr 09 23:32 |
| tacone | why ? | Apr 09 23:32 |
| wispygalaxy | awww what's wrong roy | Apr 09 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I'm doing links | Apr 09 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Thus lag | Apr 09 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Weekend =chores | Apr 09 23:42 |
| schestowitz | I still need to do Comes one day | Apr 09 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Too many crimes uncovered... makes me uncomfortable thinking Microsoft gets away with it | Apr 09 23:42 |
| wispygalaxy | you have chores, and i have projects :( | Apr 09 23:44 |
| wispygalaxy | i understand, roy, hehe | Apr 09 23:44 |
| wispygalaxy | detective roy, i see ;) | Apr 09 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Almost done :-) | Apr 09 23:55 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll be reading it shortly, thanks! | Apr 09 23:55 |
| schestowitz | I found some videos... | Apr 09 23:58 |
| schestowitz | About FreeCulture.org | Apr 09 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Have a look... | Apr 09 23:58 |