Europe Takes a Look at Microsoft's .NET (/Mono) Web Hijack Attempts
- Dr. Roy Schestowitz
- 2007-11-21 21:36:26 UTC
- Modified: 2007-11-21 21:40:27 UTC
In case you did not know, Microsoft plans to hijack the World Wide Web and Novell is helping. To avoid repeating old stories and arguments, consider these:
The good news is that Europe has just woken up, so to speak, and it is
prepared to intervene.
...according to Vinje, most relevant to the Internet and work done at the IGF, was the problem of growing .NET-dependency for web applications. .NET is Microsoft’s platform for web applications software development. “It is a sort of an effort to ‘proprietise’ the Internet,” said Vinje..
We will be covering this in the future. The Linux deals, which include OOXML obligations, have plenty to do with Microsoft's ambitions to lock in the user and lock out competitors.
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eet
2007-11-21 22:06:48
It might be prejudice but I have found that only Americans can be that bluntly in bad, primitive taste. Bah. Yuck.
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Roy Schestowitz
2007-11-21 22:11:33
"Novell doesn’t need to urinate in the pool from which it hopes to build its future, but that is precisely what it is doing. It can and should do better."
eet
2007-11-22 08:50:05
Pamela is just a very difficult person, that's all.
I can only agree with this comment: "Novells employees will not be paid with feel-good-wishes from the FOSS community Novell is a business and is out to make money and SO is Redhat, why bomb-blast them because they market their product and play to their strengths, seriously wake up and realise that this is commercial company that gives a lot back into the FOSS community than most realise."
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eet
2007-11-22 08:55:37
Unfortunately, .NET is based on an ECMA-standard, so I don't give that claim much of a chance in court. As much as I like to see Microsoft clobbered.
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Victor Soliz
2007-11-22 13:59:42
For one, System.Windows.Forms is not covered as part of the standard. For two silverlight is also dependant of a number of codecs that are ultra proprietary, want more examples?
Novell uses FUD and false advertisement, you know? It is not true that SUSE enterprise works better with windows than Red Hat, but that's Novell's main selling point right now.
Red Hat's developers get paid totally well AND have the respect of the community, I am unsure why Novell had such need to make a pact with a company that even to date is an abusing monopoly that fights Linux with FUD and other anticompetitive tactics.
Regarding your attempts to become political correctness police, I have no comment.
eet
2007-11-22 19:59:53
"For two silverlight is also dependant of a number of codecs that are ultra proprietary." Wrooong; you can use any video or audio codec that you want with; you can for example compile a version with only Ogg Vorbis and Theora. Codecs are not integral; you can use GStreamer, for example, or Xine.
Get your facts straight before accusing others of being uninformed, son.
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SubSonica
2007-11-22 21:41:47
ECMA-standards, despite its misleading name, are not necessarily standards. In some cases (as in the case of Microsoft's throat-fed formats) are not standards AT ALL. ECMA is no less than a private company that helps other companies to push their proposals through TRUE standarization bodies (ANSI, ISO, IEC), for a fee, while trying to guarantee a faster approval process and that the format won€´t be modified by the true standarisation process.
ECMA defines itself as: "A proactive, problem solving experts’ group that ensures timely publication of international standards; Offers industry a "fast track", to global standards bodies, through which standards are made available on time; Balances Technical Quality and Business Value: ● Quality of a standard is pivotal, but the balance between timeliness and quality as well: Better a good standard today than a perfect one tomorrow! ● Offers a path which will minimise risk of changes to input specs ● Solid IPR policy and practice Ecma can be viewed as a reconfigurable hub of TCs"
Anyway, independently of ECMA's nature, no format supported by a single vendor (and its cronies) deserves be called "standard".
SubSonica
2007-11-22 21:53:21
IMHO, Novell accepted the pact with the devil due to serious financial problems. The 348 million dollar deal allowed them some relief. Microsoft is very smart when they target struggling companies... the timing was perfect. Follow the money, ask yourself the right questions:
http://www.itworld.com/Man/2698/060921novellnasdaq/
JUST ONE MONTH before the pact Novell was about to be delisted from Nasdaq and was having problems with the Wells Fargo Bank. I think the re-animator injection of 348 million by Microsoft converted Novell in the perfect zombie to perform its masters at Redmond commands.
Roy Schestowitz
2007-11-22 22:04:42
Bear in mind that Novell spoke to Microsoft since around May.
SubSonica
2007-11-22 22:17:11
Béranger
2007-11-22 22:39:11
It's not even about patents.
But I don't need EXE and DLL files on my Linux box -- and Mono clones .NET that much that you'll have at least a few dozens of EXE and DLL files!
Also, I don't need a reimplementation of a Microsoft technology (note: it's not like Samba, which is needed for real interoperability) that WAS NOT NEEDED, NOR REQUIRED.
We already have Java.
For small gizmos to use with GNOME, there is PyGtk, should it be that complicated to use C or C++ (Gtkmm) -- although for crap like Tomboy or Beagle you could have used just about anything.
There isn't ANY SINGLE MAJOR MONO APPLICATION that would justify the existence of Mono.
Mono is bloat, and a capitulation to a Microsoft "technology".