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| yuhong | BTW, on Apple, what if the IBM PC did not exist? | Nov 01 04:31 |
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| yuhong | I am kind of neutral on Windows vs Mac vs Linux, but even I think that MS's attempts to kill Linux using patents. is bad. | Nov 01 04:47 |
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| yuhong | I don't think MS or Windows will be dead anytime soon. | Nov 01 04:47 |
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| yuhong | But I still think that the patent part of the MS-Novell deal was bad. | Nov 01 04:48 |
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| yuhong | And I still think that ODF is more open than OOXML. | Nov 01 04:48 |
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| yuhong | And believe that anything in OOXML that isn't in ODF can be added to ODF using extensions, which is far better. | Nov 01 04:49 |
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| yuhong | I am no fan of .NET, I focus more on Win32. | Nov 01 04:49 |
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| schestowitz | On top of economical issues: Odd Tides in Maine < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/31/53116 >; California water - lack of < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/30/53067 > | Nov 01 09:13 |
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| schestowitz | Sony recalls 100,000 PC batteries < http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-245427.html > | Nov 01 09:18 |
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| tessier | ZFS-FUSE is actually sounding rather promising. Linux may not really be locked out of FUSE in practice. | Nov 01 09:47 |
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| tessier | I'm going to have to get this working on a box and do some testing. | Nov 01 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | Is this for a datacentre? | Nov 01 09:49 |
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| tessier | Is what for a datacentre? | Nov 01 09:50 |
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| tessier | ZFS-FUSE is something you run on a server. Nothing to do with datacentre except that you might choose to locate your server in one. | Nov 01 09:51 |
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| trmanco | I think I just learned a lesson today | Nov 01 09:52 |
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| trmanco | Not to use proprietary drivers is a good thing... | Nov 01 09:57 |
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| trmanco | The driver I was using was crashing compiz :| | Nov 01 09:59 |
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| schestowitz | Which card? | Nov 01 10:00 |
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| trmanco | X800 | Nov 01 10:01 |
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| trmanco | radeon x800 or R430 chipset | Nov 01 10:01 |
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| trmanco | and I had double Xorg processes when I was using that driver | Nov 01 10:01 |
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| trmanco | I still have to test it better, but for what I've tested so far with the open source driver it hasn't crashes yet | Nov 01 10:02 |
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| trmanco | crashed* | Nov 01 10:02 |
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| trmanco | better it would freeze the system | Nov 01 10:03 |
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| trmanco | ... | Nov 01 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm. | Nov 01 10:04 |
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| trmanco | It is a little slower, but will do | Nov 01 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | It will be nice when NVIdia give up and opens it all up. | Nov 01 10:05 |
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| trmanco | lol | Nov 01 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | Some day in the future it'll be sensible to predict that these drivers will become open source and part of your distro/kernel. | Nov 01 10:05 |
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| trmanco | I wish Ati did that | Nov 01 10:05 |
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| schestowitz | Just plug-and-play. | Nov 01 10:05 |
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| trmanco | brb | Nov 01 10:13 |
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| trmanco | looks like it is working like a charm :-) | Nov 01 10:19 |
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| MinceR | j0 | Nov 01 13:09 |
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| trmanco | http://marketshare.hitslink.com/repor... | Nov 01 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/browsers-baro... | Nov 01 13:20 |
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| schestowitz | The one you link to may be inaccurate if it's Hitsink, but it says "HitsLink". | Nov 01 13:21 |
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| trmanco | they probably are inaccurate | Nov 01 13:28 |
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| trmanco | well | Nov 01 13:28 |
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| trmanco | when I posted the link here there was a notice at the top saying that they may not be accurate as the statistics haven't been reviewed by there QA team | Nov 01 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | QA=sponsor? | Nov 01 13:35 |
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| trmanco | Quality assurance team | Nov 01 13:45 |
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| trmanco | or something similar | Nov 01 13:46 |
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| trmanco | http://infotech.indiatimes.com/News... | Nov 01 13:52 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Nov 01 14:01 |
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| schestowitz | He there. | Nov 01 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | *Hey | Nov 01 14:02 |
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| Eruaran | hi roy | Nov 01 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about the Dell thing. | Nov 01 14:02 |
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| Eruaran | yeah I saw that | Nov 01 14:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/3... | Nov 01 14:02 |
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| Eruaran | Have you seen the Windows 7 vids from PDC ? | Nov 01 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 you mean? | Nov 01 14:03 |
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| Eruaran | Its unbelievable... | Nov 01 14:03 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 01 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | What's not believable? | Nov 01 14:03 |
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| Eruaran | My jaw dropped | Nov 01 14:03 |
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| Eruaran | When I saw a desktop panel that looked like KDE 3.5 | Nov 01 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | What's the URL? | Nov 01 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Nov 01 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | That!! | Nov 01 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | For a moment I thought they took Compiz-fusion to task. | Nov 01 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | I heard about the KDE thing. | Nov 01 14:04 |
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| Eruaran | And systray popup widgets that look like they were copied straight from KDE 4.1 | Nov 01 14:04 |
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| Eruaran | without the sexy dark oxygen theme | Nov 01 14:04 |
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| Eruaran | things that react to mouse movement | Nov 01 14:05 |
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| Eruaran | Like umm... KDE 4.1 | Nov 01 14:05 |
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| Eruaran | And, being able to drop icons and things from the 'start' menu and put them on the "new" taskbar in a way that is just like ummm.... | Nov 01 14:06 |
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| Eruaran | KDE... | Nov 01 14:06 |
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| Eruaran | I mean | Nov 01 14:06 |
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| Eruaran | I'm actually shocked | Nov 01 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | You mean previews? | Nov 01 14:07 |
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| Eruaran | I didn't expect that they'd be doing anything but spying on Apple | Nov 01 14:07 |
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| Eruaran | :P | Nov 01 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | I'm amazed at how powerful KDE+Konqueror are, but I haven't used Windows for ages. | Nov 01 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | I knew every corner of KDE 3.1 | Nov 01 14:08 |
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| Eruaran | It looks like their devs main project was 'brows kde-look.org and get "inspiration"' | Nov 01 14:08 |
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| Eruaran | And the news is starting to spread | Nov 01 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: seen their Apple copy yet? Hold on... | Nov 01 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | That's where they get 'inspiration'. I'll get a link. | Nov 01 14:08 |
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| Eruaran | I googled "windows 7 looks like kde" and found I am far from the only one who noticed :P | Nov 01 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | You beat me to in re: "inspiration" | Nov 01 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | They just happen to /PATENT/ their so-called "inspiration" | Nov 01 14:09 |
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| Eruaran | The whole frigging Windows 7 desktop is prior art... | Nov 01 14:09 |
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| Eruaran | Now I know how a Mac user feels | Nov 01 14:10 |
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| Eruaran | I'm totally blown away by just how blatant the ripping off is | Nov 01 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | Here is Microsoft copying Apple (leaked memo): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0... | Nov 01 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | More at http://boycottnovell.com/2008... and http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0... | Nov 01 14:11 |
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| Eruaran | Have a look: http://www.neowin.net/ne... | Nov 01 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Nov 01 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Be sure to read that leak about Apple. Your jaw might drop again. | Nov 01 14:14 |
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| Eruaran | yes I've got the links open now | Nov 01 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | It's like a circus. | Nov 01 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | Where they show all kinds of sci-fi useless stuff. | Nov 01 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | The Surface too would be killed if it were not for Gates' insistence. it not costs over $13500 and it's a total failure. | Nov 01 14:17 |
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| Eruaran | Honestly, we had KDE 4.1 (and the boss has been playing with 4.2 svn) at work and I was comparing Kubuntu 8.10's desktop with some of the stuff in the videos and I was like WTF... the dark tower is stealing from KDE | Nov 01 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's some tool for Microsoft to say "look! We make big products and can emulate Minority Report-like useless stuff. Never mind if has no consumer market, especially amid Depression 2.0" | Nov 01 14:17 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 01 14:18 |
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| Eruaran | Vista 7: Now with RSI | Nov 01 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | The new situation can change a lot. | Nov 01 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft needs to sell new hardware to be workable. | Nov 01 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | People can't afford new PC, except for in rich place, which is a small minority of the world. | Nov 01 14:18 |
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| Eruaran | But its all focused on the interface... the idea that if you just make it pretty, people will want it | Nov 01 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's possible that technological advancement, owing to its cost, will some day in the future imperil and reduce convenience rather than improve that. Public transportation due to emissions is one example. | Nov 01 14:19 |
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| Eruaran | There is NO semantic desktop from Microsoft | Nov 01 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | If Microsoft can't slip down, then it's bound to have a hard time | Nov 01 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | Linux scales well | Nov 01 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | Mobile devices and supercomputers use the same type of kernel. | Nov 01 14:19 |
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| schestowitz | Windows Mobile is a fork/hack. | Nov 01 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | ANd it's said to be dying. | Nov 01 14:20 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 01 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | Nepomuk gets some integration with Gwenview now. | Nov 01 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | Not just Dolphin, IIRC> | Nov 01 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | I saw it the other day and put a link up in BN. | Nov 01 14:20 |
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| Eruaran | The difference between FOSS and this show Microsoft put in is, where the rubber hits the road reality: How is it in reality on people's PC's, their notebooks, netbooks and mobile devices. | Nov 01 14:22 |
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| Eruaran | And the reality will be far from what Microsoft puts on at some show. | Nov 01 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it's a *show* | Nov 01 14:27 |
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| Eruaran | lol yes | Nov 01 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | They put on a *show* | Nov 01 14:27 |
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| Eruaran | now, lets see that *show* running on a Dell Mini 9 | Nov 01 14:27 |
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| Eruaran | And of course they have nothing that runs on ARM | Nov 01 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | End of signed message | Nov 01 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.the451group.com/opensourc... | Nov 01 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | BlueGene laughs at Surface. It's like Godzilla and Bambi | Nov 01 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | Before running to Surface, Gates insisted on the now-almost-lost ambition to bring Windows to supercomputers (it was delayed over and over again). His envy of Linux dominance in the computers which run the world (services and compute clusters) couldn't be abated, so they found another kitsch. | Nov 01 14:33 |
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| Eruaran | have a look at this, it only goes for a few secs | Nov 01 14:46 |
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| Eruaran | http://au.youtube.com/watch?... | Nov 01 14:46 |
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| Eruaran | Notice the panel, just like KDE 3.5 with translucency on | Nov 01 14:46 |
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| Eruaran | Notice the widgets that pop up, they look like KDE 4, even down to the translucent border bits, they're just 'white' instead of black | Nov 01 14:47 |
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| schestowitz | It looks like my Mandriva 2008.1 with Compiz | Nov 01 14:56 |
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| Eruaran | lol :P | Nov 01 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | Mirosoft Vista 7... reaching 2008... some time in 2010. Maybe. | Nov 01 14:56 |
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| Eruaran | me and my boss share the same opinion | Nov 01 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | You /do/ realise that Vista 7 already had a "Critical" flaw last week, right? | Nov 01 14:57 |
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| Eruaran | It will be so full of holes it will be swiss cheese | Nov 01 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Tell this to your boss. | Nov 01 14:57 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 01 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | Full compromise, no user intervention necessary! | Nov 01 14:57 |
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| Eruaran | We need the public to see that sort of failure on full display | Nov 01 14:58 |
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| Eruaran | Poeple need to understand that putting lipstick on a pig doesn't magically turn it into a swan | Nov 01 14:58 |
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| schestowitz | twitter might do a Vista7failurelog | Nov 01 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | Has has a Vista failurelog that's popular. It's an index of failures. | Nov 01 14:59 |
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| Eruaran | or... just make contributions to failblog | Nov 01 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | ?? | Nov 01 14:59 |
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| Eruaran | youre not familiar with failblog ? | Nov 01 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://failblog.org/ | Nov 01 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | New to me. | Nov 01 15:00 |
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| Eruaran | yes | Nov 01 15:00 |
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| Eruaran | hours of laughs | Nov 01 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | I was on this blog before. | Nov 01 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | I see " http://failblog.org/2008/0... " in my history | Nov 01 15:01 |
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| Eruaran | haha yes | Nov 01 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, it turns out that over 40% of the sub-notebooks run GNU/Linux. | Nov 01 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | ASUS claims that the Eee are like 30%-70% | Nov 01 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | Jerry Shen said this the other day, as reported by The Register. | Nov 01 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | So I don't believe the Gartner BS | Nov 01 15:09 |
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| Eruaran | I never believe Gartner's BS | Nov 01 15:12 |
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| Eruaran | Garnter told us and Acer that Asus was going to quit doing Linux netbooks | Nov 01 15:13 |
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| Eruaran | They said Asus was having too much trouble with them | Nov 01 15:13 |
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| Eruaran | Microsoft can only stick so many fingers in the dyke before it bursts open, and the "encouragement" they offer companies like Asus to go with XP only has a limited lifespan | Nov 01 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | Hackers Steal Money From French President Sarkozy's Bank Account < http://www.informationweek.com/news/secur... > | Nov 01 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | He also tried to ban voodoo dolls bearing his image. :-) :-) | Nov 01 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | The ASUS sub-notebooks running Linpus just got 8/10 from OSNews. That was yesterday. | Nov 01 15:16 |
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| Eruaran | running linpus ? | Nov 01 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft loses money due to the 'Great NetBook DUMP' | Nov 01 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | It admitted this in its last repoirt | Nov 01 15:17 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, running Linpus. But Eugena suggested that they use Ubuntu 8.10 instead. | Nov 01 15:18 |
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| Eruaran | Mark Shuttleworth said he has it from reliable sources that Microsoft is giving Windows away | Nov 01 15:18 |
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| twitter | In real world, Netbooks dump on M$. | Nov 01 15:18 |
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| twitter | good morning. | Nov 01 15:18 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Nov 01 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: AWAY? | Nov 01 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: please find the link, if possible. | Nov 01 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | I suspected that it was cheaper than the $29 or $18... but I also heard about Microsoft taking a loss. | Nov 01 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | No hard evidence though.. | Nov 01 15:21 |
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| Eruaran | Ok I'll see if I can find it | Nov 01 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | If you find it, then it's worth a post and public complaint. | Nov 01 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | The EU commission would treat that as market abuse. | Nov 01 15:22 |
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| twitter | Here's the Vista Failure Log, if you are interested. http://slashdot.org/~twitte... | Nov 01 15:22 |
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| twitter | I am starting a Vista 7 log too. | Nov 01 15:23 |
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| twitter | and I have a M$ Death Watch. http://slashdot.org/~twitt... which is worth looking at for the theme music if nothing else. | Nov 01 15:23 |
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| twitter | http://uk.youtube.com/wat... | Nov 01 15:24 |
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| Eruaran | Got it schestowitz | Nov 01 15:31 |
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| Eruaran | "I've heard creditable reports of Microsoft offering XP at no cost to OEMs." - http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntus_shuttle... | Nov 01 15:32 |
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| Eruaran | Its only one line I guess but its the first time I've heard anyone say that | Nov 01 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Nov 01 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | .I'll post about it. | Nov 01 15:36 |
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| Eruaran | we had a bit of lol at work today | Nov 01 15:36 |
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| Eruaran | one of our guys called microsoft | Nov 01 15:36 |
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| Eruaran | thats almost a garuanteed lol | Nov 01 15:37 |
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| Eruaran | he is indian as well, so its even funnier with his accent | Nov 01 15:37 |
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| Eruaran | to see him slamming the phone down calling them "bluddy idiots" | Nov 01 15:38 |
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| Eruaran | which reminds me | Nov 01 15:38 |
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| Eruaran | we have an infamous little incident we like to tell people about | Nov 01 15:38 |
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| Eruaran | we called microsoft one day to sort out the vista business downgrade to XPP for a customer | Nov 01 15:39 |
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| Eruaran | the confused reply (and I kid you not) was this: | Nov 01 15:39 |
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| Eruaran | "What is Vista ?" | Nov 01 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | I'll put the quote in the headline... to make it common knowledge. | Nov 01 15:40 |
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| Eruaran | lol | Nov 01 15:40 |
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| Eruaran | oh that quote | Nov 01 15:40 |
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| Eruaran | I thought you were gonna put "What is Vista ?" in :P | Nov 01 15:40 |
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| Eruaran | the infamous sinkhole of support was extra sinky that day | Nov 01 15:41 |
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| Eruaran | Somehow I doubt Microsoft will give us XP for free | Nov 01 15:42 |
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| Eruaran | We sold two systems yesterday with Ubuntu 8.10 on them | Nov 01 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | I'll put the MS (Mark S.) quote up | Nov 01 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | I also look for a good video related to this. | Nov 01 15:45 |
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| Eruaran | cool | Nov 01 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | I wish videos were indexed properly. | Nov 01 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | I have to go by memory and numbers | Nov 01 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | Found it. It's posted now: http://boycottnovell.com/2008... (short and right to the point, hopefully) | Nov 01 15:53 |
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| schestowitz | I have a very long item about Microsoft failures that I still proofread. I suspect that long items are not being read carefully though. | Nov 01 15:54 |
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| twitter | I like the RMS way of doing things and have tried to improve on it. | Nov 01 16:29 |
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| twitter | He makes small entries of interest. Each one is accurate and builds trust. In time, the reader knows RMS is just right. | Nov 01 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | He hasn't 'blogged' in a while. | Nov 01 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | He probably travels now. | Nov 01 16:31 |
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| twitter | He's got a slew of stuff out today. | Nov 01 16:31 |
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| twitter | yesterday. | Nov 01 16:32 |
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| twitter | It's also time to change your links. The last notes ended October 31. | Nov 01 16:32 |
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| twitter | I don't know about the RSS feed. | Nov 01 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | It should be universal, I think. | Nov 01 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | We're thinking about dumping COLA in USENET to start a moderated newsgroup | Nov 01 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | Cleanup time. | Nov 01 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | The trolls can be flushed over to Slashdot or whatever -- wherever all the trash is being tolerated. | Nov 01 16:34 |
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| twitter | It's hard to have a large open system and keep the trolls out. | Nov 01 16:34 |
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| twitter | In any case, my improvement to the Stallman method is to include quotes and make big blogs referencing the little ones. | Nov 01 16:35 |
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| twitter | Everybody does something like this. | Nov 01 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | Micro-blogging. | Nov 01 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Twittering. | Nov 01 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | Even IRC here serves as something similar, but real-time/ | Nov 01 16:37 |
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| twitter | Then you can tie it together with something overwhelming like the Vista Failure Log. | Nov 01 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | The push for this IRC came from a reader who repeatedly insisted that we make it. | Nov 01 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, like this one: http://boycottnovell.com/oox... | Nov 01 16:38 |
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| twitter | I kind of got the idea from a book called "The Russian Century" which detailed 100 years of Soviet horror from the inside. | Nov 01 16:39 |
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| twitter | Each accusation alone was petty and debatable, but they are all reinforcing as truth is. | Nov 01 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Like COmes vs Microsoft (Iowa) | Nov 01 16:41 |
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| twitter | Yes, because M$ uses brainwashing. | Nov 01 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | BB buys it. | Nov 01 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | I needed that OOXML index to rebut the BS from Al3x Br0wn. | Nov 01 16:42 |
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| twitter | Nice Index. | Nov 01 16:44 |
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| twitter | :) | Nov 01 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | It makes it hard for ISO to say that all was fine when faced with this. | Nov 01 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | If you give a small complaint that's specific, they can then call it nitpicking | Nov 01 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft uses the same method to defend OOXML. Found a bug? Na... it's just a small thing in 7000 pages. | Nov 01 16:46 |
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| twitter | Groklaw had a similar index for the fight against odf didn't they? | Nov 01 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe. | Nov 01 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | There's an article (static page) for each topic. | Nov 01 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | hey, _doug | Nov 01 16:53 |
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| Eruaran | Groklaw is a seminal site. Required reading. | Nov 01 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | Does GL have an index on the fight against ODF? | Nov 01 16:54 |
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| _doug | hey .. quiztime .. | Nov 01 16:54 |
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| _doug | in what movie do you have .. | Nov 01 16:54 |
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| _doug | well .. later maybe .. not a suitable subject for this chan .. | Nov 01 16:55 |
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| twitter | http://www.groklaw.net/articleba... | Nov 01 16:55 |
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| Eruaran | I'm a bit suspicious that Excel does wierd things to spreadsheet data saved in OpenOffice | Nov 01 16:55 |
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| twitter | and http://www.groklaw.net/articlebas... | Nov 01 16:56 |
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| twitter | Excel does weird things to math in general | Nov 01 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: do you have proof? | Nov 01 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's possible that negligence and not sabotage may cause this. | Nov 01 16:56 |
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| Eruaran | I'm still assessing it | Nov 01 16:56 |
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| Eruaran | It made me rage earlier though :P | Nov 01 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft never prioritises rivals... not entertaining them on its platform.. Netscape, Borland, Firefox, iTunes, etc. | Nov 01 16:57 |
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| Eruaran | I prefer to use scalc anyway though | Nov 01 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: Excel gets its maths wrong. | Nov 01 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | There were bugs in caluculus | Nov 01 16:57 |
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| Eruaran | I like being able to highlight, drag and drop tables and things | Nov 01 16:58 |
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| twitter | We all have different ideas about duty. M$ would consider it negligent if their products did not sabotage competitors. | Nov 01 16:58 |
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| Eruaran | Excel makes you cut and paste, then leaves colours and formatting behind, orphaned as it were... scalc is more productive | Nov 01 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | "These pages are a group effort, by many volunteers, but the brunt of the load was carried by Scott Lazar, grouch, mojotoad, Chris Knadle, Adrian, Mecha, Ed_L, and PJ. The pages are maintained by grouch and PJ. " | Nov 01 17:00 |
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| twitter | Good collaboration. | Nov 01 17:01 |
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| twitter | I think your ABC index should be linked into this page http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/... | Nov 01 17:04 |
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| twitter | You might present it to PJ and see what she thinks. | Nov 01 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | It doesn't matter. | Nov 01 17:05 |
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| Eruaran | schestowitz: remember how we were talking about Microsoft's Windows 7 show ? | Nov 01 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Not sure it's worth the hassle... | Nov 01 17:05 |
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| Eruaran | schestowitz: Here's a revealing quote: "many of the new features in Windows 7 are absent from the build given to the press" | Nov 01 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, any more news? | Nov 01 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Of course. | Nov 01 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | They also put some optimised version on a netbook to deceive. | Nov 01 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | I told trmanco about it. | Nov 01 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | So many people are fooled by it. | Nov 01 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | You can also run Ubuntu on an OLPC XO. SO what? | Nov 01 17:06 |
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| Eruaran | You can run Ubuntu on the smell of an oily rag | Nov 01 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | It's like a circus when a stuntsman 'eats' knives. | Nov 01 17:07 |
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| Eruaran | Well, not quite, but I checked out its RAM usage the other day and I was pleasantly surprised | Nov 01 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | They work for months preparing this little show, thinking what to show and what not to show. | Nov 01 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | (and which journalists to kick out. ;-) http://boycottnovell.com/200... ) | Nov 01 17:08 |
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| Eruaran | "if they took *all* the shit out of Vista, we'd be left with, CP/M <cough, sorry> ^H^H^H^H DOS." | Nov 01 17:11 |
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| _doug | ot: McCainites dig up Obamas lost auntie .. :) | Nov 01 17:12 |
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| _doug | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/... | Nov 01 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Last-minute stunts? | Nov 01 17:12 |
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| _doug | "AP says its information about Ms Onyango, 56, is based on two separate sources, one of them a federal law enforcement official" | Nov 01 17:12 |
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| Eruaran | "lost" auntie ? | Nov 01 17:13 |
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| twitter | Vista 7 will go the same way Vista did. | Nov 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | More last-minute smears. | Nov 01 17:13 |
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| twitter | but faster | Nov 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | People learnd from Vista 6 | Nov 01 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | AKA Longhorn | Nov 01 17:13 |
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| twitter | The Wintel press lost a lot of credibility. They have more pretending to do and won't be able to lie as much. | Nov 01 17:14 |
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| twitter | They might even, gasp, research. | Nov 01 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | They 'bought out' Phoronix. | Nov 01 17:14 |
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| twitter | and smeared Ubuntu a week later, ha ha. | Nov 01 17:15 |
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| _doug | "lost a bid for asylum" .. get with the program .. :) | Nov 01 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, *that* | Nov 01 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't think about that | Nov 01 17:15 |
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| twitter | and you can't, thanks to the new owners. | Nov 01 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | What I find to be trolling there is the bit where he made up names for releases. | Nov 01 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Micchael is very professional, so I was surprised he did that. | Nov 01 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | And Slashdot had a sensationalist headline, | Nov 01 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Do me a favour and check who submitted to /. | Nov 01 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | And under what headline. | Nov 01 17:17 |
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| twitter | M$ massages these things for months to get the result they want. Their influence is subtle. | Nov 01 17:17 |
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| twitter | The sum of many tiny lies is a whopper. | Nov 01 17:17 |
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| twitter | checking | Nov 01 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | I'd still like to find out about /. | Nov 01 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | They sometimes change headlines of the submitter though, right? | Nov 01 17:18 |
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| twitter | Headline published, "Is Ubuntu Getting Slower" | Nov 01 17:19 |
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| twitter | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?... | Nov 01 17:19 |
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| twitter | Submitted by AC | Nov 01 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | Who's AC | Nov 01 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | I think he submits to /. sometimes. | Nov 01 17:20 |
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| twitter | No account troll. | Nov 01 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | I know there are many ACs, but.. | Nov 01 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. | Nov 01 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | AC as in anonymous coward | Nov 01 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | .Tagged flamebait. | Nov 01 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | "Ubuntu 7.04 was certainly the Feisty Fawn for performance, but based upon these results perhaps it would be better to call Ubuntu 7.10 the Gooey Gibbon, 8.04 the Hungover Heron, and 8.10 the Idling Ibex.'" | Nov 01 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsofters will have a fun day passing this around. | Nov 01 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | They did in USENET, obviously. | Nov 01 17:22 |
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| twitter | yes, Slashdot followed with Ubuntu kicks Vista Ass article where comments noted Ubuntu also kicks XPs ass. | Nov 01 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Ah | Nov 01 17:22 |
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| twitter | Don't think the trolls followed up like that. | Nov 01 17:22 |
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| twitter | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r... | Nov 01 17:23 |
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| twitter | ha ha | Nov 01 17:23 |
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| twitter | This would explain M$'s shift in focus to Vista 7. The competition outdoes them and people have noticed. | Nov 01 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Should be tagged "Duh" | Nov 01 17:24 |
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| twitter | M$ must now pretend Vista 7 is everything GNU/Linux is and more. | Nov 01 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | I saw this short review yesterday. | Nov 01 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't Ed Molzen actually /compare/ Ubuntu 8.10 to Vista 6? | Nov 01 17:25 |
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| twitter | So they trotted out the rigged up netbook. | Nov 01 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like the / | Nov 01 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | It seems like the /. headline is baseless in the sense that there is no evidence. | Nov 01 17:25 |
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| twitter | Summary had "early benchmarking (Geekbench, boot times, etc.)" | Nov 01 17:26 |
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| twitter | article, http://www.crn.com/software/211800390 follows well too | Nov 01 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | It reassures me knowing that we look at the right issues. | Nov 01 17:27 |
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| twitter | "Without much fanfare, developers of Ubuntu Linux have delivered the latest version of the open source operating system that scores higher than Windows Vista in performance testing, does a better job than Windows in making wireless connectivity easy and, overall, leaves fewer reasons to stick with Windows than any other previous release of Linux." | Nov 01 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft knows that taxing its competitors and exlcuding them is all that's left. Thus the Novell cash infusions. | Nov 01 17:27 |
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| twitter | No matches found for 'freedom' in article. | Nov 01 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Also, making the Web less of a commodity with XAML and XPS (and OOXML) is their goal. | Nov 01 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Lockin, patents, and exclusion. | Nov 01 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | When you talk to most people about "Freefom" they think of convenience. | Nov 01 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | As in, "I'm free to watch TV". | Nov 01 17:29 |
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| twitter | All lockout laid out in Halloween docs. | Nov 01 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | RMS talked to us about it... here in Manchester. | Nov 01 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | People still confuse the terms... they are inclined to believe they have the FREEDOM to use Vista. | Nov 01 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | The Freedom to enable lack of Freedom | Nov 01 17:29 |
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| _doug | Open Source FUD Flies at Florida Higher Education Conference .. | Nov 01 17:29 |
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| _doug | http://ostatic.com/176104-blog/open-source-f... | Nov 01 17:29 |
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| twitter | The freedom to sell themselves into slavery | Nov 01 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | Another related debate is BSD "Free" and GPL "Free" | Nov 01 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks _doug | Nov 01 17:30 |
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| twitter | FSF has well written prose to bore people with. | Nov 01 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Ha! | Nov 01 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | IDG | Nov 01 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | Muther* | Nov 01 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | IDC | Nov 01 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | They now advertise in Phoronix. | Nov 01 17:30 |
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| _doug | 'Adrian Sannier .. argues that cost savings will be consumed by the consulting fees paid to deploy "community-source enterprise applications." "The consultants who help you are like bartenders serving drunks," he's quoted as saying' | Nov 01 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | I warned Michael about it, but he did it anyway | Nov 01 17:30 |
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| twitter | People are starting to understand how freedom matters in computing. | Nov 01 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Oh wait. | Nov 01 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't read it carefully. | Nov 01 17:31 |
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| twitter | The more people know about computers, the more they understand software freedom. | Nov 01 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | IDG is the publisher (carrier), not the FUD.. | Nov 01 17:31 |
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| twitter | waiting. | Nov 01 17:31 |
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| _doug | What Adrian don't seem to realize is that, once you form a users group with other schools, you get your IT 'consultancy' for free, and he can then spend the leftovers on on more drinks :) | Nov 01 17:32 |
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| twitter | That's funny, _doug, the guy who ran Anti-Slash.org ended up a bartender. | Nov 01 17:32 |
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| _doug | if he really wants to save on drinks, he would be better off buying some cheap plonk in a supermarket and going round to someones house ... | Nov 01 17:33 |
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| _doug | that's what most peopel do nowadays .. | Nov 01 17:33 |
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| _doug | :) | Nov 01 17:34 |
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| twitter | super yeast and sugar | Nov 01 17:34 |
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| _doug | "This is an area where open source evangelists need to educate the educators" | Nov 01 17:34 |
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| twitter | Educators are learning on their own. | Nov 01 17:34 |
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| _doug | hey, remember where former Open Source people get a job at MS, how about getting a former MS evangelist to now promote Open Source :? | Nov 01 17:35 |
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| twitter | M$ pollutes the recycle chain with their certified refurbisher program though. | Nov 01 17:35 |
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| twitter | It's more of the same, convince the decision makers that people need their crappy OS. | Nov 01 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | _doug: that's a bad idea | Nov 01 17:37 |
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| twitter | Firehosed your corruption index http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op... | Nov 01 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | See the new comment from Needs Sunlight here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11... | Nov 01 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: the introduction would need updating though. | Nov 01 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | I have to run in a moment (literally). The gym closes at 8PM | Nov 01 17:38 |
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| _doug | open source digital library content management solution .. | Nov 01 17:38 |
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| _doug | http://library20.ning.com/p... | Nov 01 17:38 |
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| _doug | later .. | Nov 01 17:39 |
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| twitter | later | Nov 01 17:39 |
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| _doug | something really usefull .. | Nov 01 17:58 |
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| _doug | keyboard feedback when your typing and the text cursor isn't in a textbox .. | Nov 01 17:58 |
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| _doug | howabout the keys vibrating or going 'mushy' ? | Nov 01 17:59 |
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| _doug | come on, in this age of 'innovation' .. | Nov 01 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | D R Ahem... won't work. | Nov 01 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | New York Times seems to just publish lots of IDG stuff these days. Are they losing writers? | Nov 01 22:01 |
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| macabe | Newspapers have been losing readership for a long time, also the major media outlets. Most of them sound like sensationalist rags. (Alien life discovered in commode slugs) | Nov 01 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's sad in a way. | Nov 01 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | The main danger now is AstroTurf blogs (marketing blogs0. | Nov 01 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | Novell has them too and I've kept track of their names. | Nov 01 22:10 |
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| macabe | It's very sad, now when reading a newspaper you have to triple check its source. | Nov 01 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | What do you mean? | Nov 01 22:11 |
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| macabe | Zero facts. A lot of op-ed. | Nov 01 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Reporting that's original requires a lot of work. Teams of investigators. They rely on selling out to someone's interests sometimes. | Nov 01 22:13 |
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| macabe | Seems that you get better detailed facts from the reputable blogs-even if they're emotive. | Nov 01 22:14 |
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| macabe | Because of emotive interests, they want to cross every T and dot every i as much as they can. | Nov 01 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Blogs are fast | Nov 01 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | They rely on other blogs that they cite with hyperlinks. | Nov 01 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | It makes it easier to validate facts. | Nov 01 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | It's like micro-journalist, but it's fact and disparate. | Nov 01 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | *fast | Nov 01 22:19 |
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| macabe | It's what Dan Gillmor said | Nov 01 22:20 |
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| macabe | Public journalism | Nov 01 22:20 |
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| macabe | It's why I like BN, Groklaw, Marcel's Wftl, RMS, Lessig, etc. It take courage to stand out and point out and question 'wrongs' against the common folk. | Nov 01 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | You read RMS? | Nov 01 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't subscribed to Marcel yet, but his show is great. Lessig has gone political, but I still read him. | Nov 01 22:27 |
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| macabe | Yes, but haven't in a while. Lost my links, been traveling a lot lately with a new eeepc 1000 given to me as a gift. Have to take a dose of my medicine and backup my favs. BN & GL easy to remember. | Nov 01 22:30 |
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| macabe | Anyway was able to get rid of xandros and install gnewsense on it. | Nov 01 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | On the Eee? 'Vanilla' gnusense? | Nov 01 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Gnsense [sic] will become part of Ubuntu. | Nov 01 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Gobuntu or whatever... an install options, says Jono Bacon, but it remains to be seen it they are committed to deed, not just words. | Nov 01 22:36 |
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| macabe | Yeah first install it on a usb key. Worked pretty good the decided to try dd=if /dev/sda of=/dev/sdb | Nov 01 22:37 |
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| macabe | the=then | Nov 01 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | RMS should try it then. If only the BIOS was as open as XO's... it's better powered. | Nov 01 22:40 |
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| macabe | I think dvd-cds' will go the route of floppies if flash type drives keep coming down in price. | Nov 01 22:41 |
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| macabe | Found a 1bg usb key for 1.59 USD at big lots. | Nov 01 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | That's already happening. MacBook Air..? | Nov 01 22:43 |
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| benJIman | Macbook air hardly pioneered the no-optical-drive form factor. | Nov 01 22:44 |
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| benJIman | In fact it's big enough to actually have one, unlike most of the ultraportables. | Nov 01 22:44 |
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| MinceR | the eee pc is much better than that overpriced paperweight | Nov 01 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | I used it at the airport. | Nov 01 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Fashion accessory. Expensive. | Nov 01 22:45 |
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| benJIman | The eee isn't really in the same market niche. | Nov 01 22:45 |
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| MinceR | of course. it's actually functional | Nov 01 22:45 |
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| benJIman | Thinkpad x-series is in that space. | Nov 01 22:45 |
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| MinceR | unlike crApple products | Nov 01 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | The Eee PC would fit better in Steve Jobs' purse than his Macbook Air. | Nov 01 22:46 |
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| MinceR | unfortunately for him, it isn't faggy enough. | Nov 01 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | But it won't play DRM-enabled iToons [sic] | Nov 01 22:46 |
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| MinceR | hm, maybe the pink version comes close enough. | Nov 01 22:46 |
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| macabe | Haven't tried Macbook; cracked open the eeepc to see if the hdd was 1.5" (reg 2.5 120gb sata) | Nov 01 22:46 |
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| MinceR | if he put a crApple sticker on it. | Nov 01 22:46 |
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| MinceR | there are 1.5" hdds now? | Nov 01 22:46 |
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| MinceR | is that the same as the microdrive? | Nov 01 22:47 |
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| macabe | Seen them at Sam's club, but they were 10gb. | Nov 01 22:47 |
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| macabe | Made by Seagate | Nov 01 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Seagate is crumbling. | Nov 01 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Not only are they considered Linux-hostile but they also suffered massive layoffs recently. | Nov 01 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Then again, many hardware manufacturers will suffer similarly. | Nov 01 22:49 |
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| macabe | I upped RAM to 2gb. 19.95 for 2gb stick. PNY | Nov 01 22:50 |
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| MinceR | one of my shortest-lived hdds was a seagate | Nov 01 22:50 |
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| macabe | Do they manufacture their own or outsource? | Nov 01 22:50 |
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| macabe | Have a toshiba, hitachi, ibm, & seagate and they all look the same. | Nov 01 22:52 |
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| MinceR | i prefer WD. | Nov 01 22:52 |
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| macabe | right down to the metal ripples on top of the case | Nov 01 22:53 |
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| MinceR | ibm and hitachi are the same because hitachi bought ibm's hdd department. | Nov 01 22:53 |
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| MinceR | the ripples are for pressure equalization, aren't they? | Nov 01 22:53 |
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| macabe | don't know, but it looks like the ubuntu logo on holographic steroids. | Nov 01 22:55 |
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| macabe | Was on the alex jones blogsite; looks like he & jesper lund are getting hammered on standards, SC34 & JTC. | Nov 01 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Perhaps more storage needs will move to the datacentre. Even films are being streamed these days. | Nov 01 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | macabe: can you be specific/ | Nov 01 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | ? | Nov 01 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about this the other day and hope you read it. | Nov 01 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Long story short: they still greet and shower each other with kisses. | Nov 01 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | I confronted Jesper several times before. He's a shill. | Nov 01 23:03 |
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| macabe | He (Alex) was indicating that JTC needed to be overhauled. | Nov 01 23:04 |
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| macabe | Jesper called a Microsoft sock puppet; he denied it, of course. | Nov 01 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, in the comments? | Nov 01 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | I think that Andre commented on it when I was there. | Nov 01 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | I leave Alex alone for now. He intimidates with the ISO copyrights BS. To use an analogy, you drive a pregnant wife whose water broke to the hospital and a cop pulls you over for a speeding ticket. | Nov 01 23:08 |
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| macabe | Yeah, most of them dealt with credibility, except for a HAL commenter; he's way off base. | Nov 01 23:09 |
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| macabe | Trying to upset zoobab, name calling, etc. | Nov 01 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | I know who he is. | Nov 01 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | He also smeared IBM employees | Nov 01 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/16... | Nov 01 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | See this comment/update: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/... (in case someone asks who hAl is, point his/her there) | Nov 01 23:13 |
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| macabe | I've seen that nym before, sounds like a troll. All his comments are rubbish. Will add that to my favs. definitely need the resource. | Nov 01 23:14 |
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| GoblinRFD | who me? | Nov 01 23:14 |
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| GoblinRFD | hello all. | Nov 01 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 01 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | This one is infuriating: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1... | Nov 01 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | The figures have been seized upon by Microsoft and emphasised in the company's corporate blog on Microsoft TechNet. "Customers now have choice in market. VMware is no longer the dominant server virtualisation vendor (less than 50 percent [of the market])..." | Nov 01 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | I came across this as I write Do-no-evil items. | Nov 01 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | Long story short (wrote about this days ago), Microsoft is seeding lies through IDC and then blogs about it en masse. | Nov 01 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | Even Matt Asay fell for it and passed on the Big Lie. *sigh* *igh* | Nov 01 23:17 |
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| schestowitz | GoblinRFD: macabe was referring to a Microsoft AstroTurfer hAl just before you came... | Nov 01 23:18 |
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| GoblinRFD | ah. | Nov 01 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | It's also one of their biggest Wikipedia vandals. | Nov 01 23:18 |
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| GoblinRFD | ah the Wikipedia....brings back memories.... | Nov 01 23:18 |
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| *trmanco has quit ("I just hit the close button :)") | Nov 01 23:18 |
| GoblinRFD | Just testing out the new Intrepid Ibex, so I thought Id come here. | Nov 01 23:19 |
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| GoblinRFD | and in regards to hAI I believe he's posted on Microsoft Watch. | Nov 01 23:20 |
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| macabe | Only way to get 23% of the visualization market in 2 days is if you click your heels and say, "there's no place like home"; else you lie. | Nov 01 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | GoblinRFD: comments? Probably | Nov 01 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | macabe: Microsoft does not lie. It lets its shills do it. | Nov 01 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | IDC defines something wrongly, measures its momentarily, throws some pretty graphs out and Microsoft then yells "well, well... look what we got here.." | Nov 01 23:26 |
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| macabe | Then Bill Gates is its top shill. | Nov 01 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | How so? | Nov 01 23:26 |
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| macabe | When he said patents would harm innovation, etc. | Nov 01 23:27 |
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| macabe | and they weren't into patenting | Nov 01 23:27 |
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| macabe | the latest being the h-1b visa fiasco | Nov 01 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Nov 01 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Did you read what I typed this afternoon? | Nov 01 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's turning into a fraud. | Nov 01 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | In < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11... > | Nov 01 23:30 |
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| macabe | If it involves politicians it'll always be fraud. | Nov 01 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | The other day I struggled to find something. | Nov 01 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Some years ago I read (in Wikipedia maybe) that BillG's grandpa was a state senator | Nov 01 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | I could find anything to corroborate though. | Nov 01 23:38 |
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| macabe | I read a piece a while back that stated to the effect that the wealthier you are the looser the ethics become. It was written before this century. I asked my dad to see if he could find the author. | Nov 01 23:41 |
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| macabe | Wikipedia changes a lot. | Nov 01 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | well, ethics are (re)defined by the wealthy | Nov 01 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | We're expected to accept (legalised) bribery as something called "lobbying" and treat is as the norm. | Nov 01 23:51 |
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| macabe | Ethics redefined. That's the scary part. | Nov 01 23:52 |
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| twitter | Bill Gates wealth explained http://philip.greenspun.com/bg/ | Nov 01 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | In my view, lobbyist is one of the greatest scams and destructors of today's capitalist implementations, including that which you find in Brussels in the States. It enables corporations to run the governments that people elect. Can you trust shareholder to run a country? | Nov 01 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | *Lobbying ; *Brussels *and* in the States | Nov 01 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | "Maxwell founded Seattle's National City Bank in 1906. His son, James Willard Maxwell was also a banker and established a million-dollar trust fund for William (Bill) Henry Gates III." | Nov 01 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | A friend of mine once wrote that the legend of BillG making something out of nothing is indeed a crock. It's a case of a kid that was born with a silver spoon in his mouth to loot an industry, backed by help from his dad's buddies. | Nov 01 23:55 |
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| macabe | Therefore he has nothing in common with normal people. | Nov 01 23:56 |
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| macabe | There is no empathy cause he's never known what is to want basic needs. | Nov 01 23:57 |
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| MinceR | his story is making (almost)nothing out of something | Nov 01 23:58 |
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| MinceR | something being the IT industry. | Nov 01 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it become a funnel. | Nov 01 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | That's something too. | Nov 01 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | I saw this guy's site before: http://philip.greenspun.com/ | Nov 01 23:59 |
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| schestowitz | I can't remember the context. | Nov 01 23:59 |
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