| schestowitz | http://rodgerdean.org/blog/2008/11/28/ope... (Open Letter to Mr.Hervé Yahi, Mandriva CEO) | Nov 29 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/... | Nov 29 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | What is the opposite of "analogy"? | Nov 29 00:40 |
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| [H]omer | antithesis | Nov 29 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | Too late, but thanks. | Nov 29 01:03 |
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| [H]omer | I just got here :) | Nov 29 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | It also didn't fit the context (samba vs mono) | Nov 29 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | An argument I was having.,.. I posted the reply a while ago. | Nov 29 01:04 |
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| [H]omer | I guess a lot can happen in 25 minutes | Nov 29 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | Mono is very much on the edge at the moment. The Mono boosters are shaky. | Nov 29 01:05 |
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| [H]omer | I just read about Adam Williamson | Nov 29 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I wrote about it too. | Nov 29 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | First Gael, now him? | Nov 29 01:07 |
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| [H]omer | Good thing I don't have a job to lose, or they'd be firing me for criticising LeechBuntu too. | Nov 29 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | I think they are just threatened by spiritual leaders... so the CEOs get rid of them. | Nov 29 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: Adam mailed about it. | Nov 29 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | I spread his post about Canonical around because he was interested. | Nov 29 01:08 |
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| [H]omer | Just one of the many problems with "commercial" distos. It's money first; last and always. | Nov 29 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | But he also said some things about TrueCrypt, calling them names. | Nov 29 01:08 |
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| [H]omer | Really? I missed that. Like what? | Nov 29 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | The French government should adopt Mandriva. | Nov 29 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | They already adopt the Real Deal in Parliament? | Nov 29 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | Those fools went with... *drumroll*... hypeBuntu | Nov 29 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | Wait... | Nov 29 01:09 |
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| [H]omer | I've been a Ubuntu critic from day one, as you well know ;) | Nov 29 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | Here it is: http://www.happyassassin.net/2008/08/06/ope... | Nov 29 01:10 |
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| [H]omer | This latest fiasco just proves my point | Nov 29 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | You can't say bad things about Ubuntu | Nov 29 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | And gosh... did I get slapped for daring to criticise Big Mark. | Nov 29 01:10 |
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| [H]omer | Shuttleworth is breeding a generation of Linux users with "Windows mentality" | Nov 29 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | Like going into a church, then scolding God | Nov 29 01:11 |
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| [H]omer | LOL | Nov 29 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | Nobody's perfect | Nov 29 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | I have Ubuntu at home and at work (among other distros) | Nov 29 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | I love Ubuntu, I love Mandriva and Fedora, but I also love traveling between distro. | Nov 29 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | It's not like a g/f... there are no 'fidelity' issues. ;-) | Nov 29 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | So I told Adam about this... that saying bad things about Canonical/Ubuntu is asking for trouble. | Nov 29 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | He didn't mind. | Nov 29 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Then Jono Bacon slammed his with a rude rebuttal. | Nov 29 01:12 |
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| [H]omer | I just stick with Fedora, as a RH old-timer. I tried Debian once, and I really wanted to like it, since it seems more politically in tune with my ideals, but I just hated APT/dpkg, and had to get back to RPM. | Nov 29 01:13 |
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| MinceR | gn | Nov 29 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | #1 distro | Nov 29 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat Enterprise [GNU/]Linux | Nov 29 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | There's Omega for those who want ease | Nov 29 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | Linpus is Fedora too... | Nov 29 01:13 |
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| [H]omer | BLAG is very interesting, especially their goals. | Nov 29 01:14 |
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| [H]omer | Very anti-establishment | Nov 29 01:14 |
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| [H]omer | I like | Nov 29 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Anti? | Nov 29 01:14 |
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| MinceR | interblag? | Nov 29 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Or pro-distablishment? | Nov 29 01:14 |
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| [H]omer | just anti-control / anarchistic | Nov 29 01:14 |
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| MinceR | pseudoantidisestablishmentarianism. | Nov 29 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | I C.. | Nov 29 01:14 |
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| [H]omer | quasipseudoantidisestablishmentarianism | Nov 29 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | They must be on Clown's terror list then... | Nov 29 01:15 |
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| [H]omer | probably | Nov 29 01:15 |
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| MinceR | nice one, [H]omer | Nov 29 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | "Send those Icelandic terrorists back home..." | Nov 29 01:15 |
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| [H]omer | I know I am | Nov 29 01:15 |
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| MinceR | :> | Nov 29 01:15 |
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| MinceR | quasipseudoantidisestablishmentarianistic | Nov 29 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | Their mouths... they're like... errr... bombs | Nov 29 01:15 |
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| [H]omer | Heck, I'm even on Red Hat's "watch list" | Nov 29 01:15 |
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| MinceR | (2 more letters!) | Nov 29 01:16 |
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| [H]omer | quasipseudoantidisestablishmentarianistically speaking | Nov 29 01:16 |
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| [H]omer | beat that! | Nov 29 01:16 |
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| [H]omer | :) | Nov 29 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longes... | Nov 29 01:17 |
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| [H]omer | Yeah, it's a chemical or molecule or something | Nov 29 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | "Those people of Iceland... They say all those rude things... like quasipseudoantidisestablishmentarianisti" | Nov 29 01:17 |
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| [H]omer | isn't it? | Nov 29 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | I bet some spelling bee dork memorised it already | Nov 29 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | Not that a human brain can retain useless info for long, but never mind that... | Nov 29 01:18 |
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| [H]omer | Then there's the name of that Welsh town, that goes on for about 100 letters | Nov 29 01:18 |
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| [H]omer | Clan... something | Nov 29 01:18 |
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| [H]omer | I think it ends gogogoch | Nov 29 01:18 |
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| [H]omer | maybe | Nov 29 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | Let's treat our kids like ol' skool punch card... for show and raves. | Nov 29 01:19 |
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| [H]omer | Punch *bags* more like | Nov 29 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | > I think it ends gogogoch ; is that another flatty nym? | Nov 29 01:19 |
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| [H]omer | Nah, too long. He lacks the brain power to remember it | Nov 29 01:20 |
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| MinceR | titin | Nov 29 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | He envies Rex. | Nov 29 01:20 |
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| MinceR | http://www.freemedialibrary.com/index.php/Methio... | Nov 29 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | As well as many people. | Nov 29 01:20 |
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| [H]omer | MinceR, that's the one | Nov 29 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | Lonesome slow-witted guy... possibly a shill for a living. | Nov 29 01:20 |
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| MinceR | and there's also "smiles" | Nov 29 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | He still stalks me in sites to harrass. | Nov 29 01:21 |
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| [H]omer | Is Smith still stalking you too? | Nov 29 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but silently. | Nov 29 01:21 |
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| [H]omer | He *hates* it when I call him a stalker. I mean really; really *hates* it. | Nov 29 01:22 |
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| [H]omer | :) | Nov 29 01:22 |
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| [H]omer | Well ... he *is* | Nov 29 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | He mods everything of mine down and occasionally he crocks about something he read from me, referring to "someone from this NG" | Nov 29 01:22 |
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| [H]omer | He should find a new hobby, before he winds-up in jail | Nov 29 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | That's why he's silent. He's embarrassed about it. | Nov 29 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | He knows my profile better than me. | Nov 29 01:23 |
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| [H]omer | In which case why does he still hang around? | Nov 29 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | It's spooky when they start posting stats of mine in COLA... things I would never find out myself. | Nov 29 01:23 |
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| [H]omer | It must be a very sad person who spends so much time /deliberately/ seeking the company if his enemies. | Nov 29 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | Unless he's paid to do this or something.. | Nov 29 01:24 |
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| [H]omer | Uhu | Nov 29 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | It has gone on for too long to be an occasional kick. | Nov 29 01:24 |
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| [H]omer | It's pretty damned obvious they're Munchkins | Nov 29 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | I posted something 2 hours ago. | Nov 29 01:25 |
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| [H]omer | I just wish they could be exposed, so they could be prosecuted under the new EU anti-shill laws | Nov 29 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | Barkto: | Nov 29 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/28/s... | Nov 29 01:25 |
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| [H]omer | Yeah well, like I said earlier ... I don't have a job to lose (retired) so the "Web scrubbers" can bring it on/ | Nov 29 01:27 |
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| [H]omer | I'll criticise and expose the Evil Empire€® to my dying breath | Nov 29 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | They might die before they get exposed again. | Nov 29 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | I have quite the catalog of shills in BN, but it's scattered all around. | Nov 29 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | Remember that yuhoung chap? | Nov 29 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | You almost kicked him (I never would) | Nov 29 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | Well, turns out he's from Seattle. | Nov 29 01:29 |
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| [H]omer | Is it true that Canonical does the same as Microsoft - i.e. have *paid* "evangelists"? | Nov 29 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | He also shills for the Vole in Roughly Drafted. | Nov 29 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | And wait for this...... | Nov 29 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/09... | Nov 29 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | Watch how he slinks away.. | Nov 29 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: I don't think so. Would Apple ever do such a thing. I don't believe it. | Nov 29 01:31 |
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| [H]omer | I can actually believe they do. No rational person could be /that/ much of a frothing fanboy for one distro or another. I mean I like Fedora, but you don't see me "evangelising" it by slating other distros. The only criticisms I ever level at other distros is if they sell out or in some way harm the community | Nov 29 01:35 |
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| [H]omer | Like Ubuntu does | Nov 29 01:35 |
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| [H]omer | and Novell | Nov 29 01:35 |
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| [H]omer | "Proprietary Linux" | Nov 29 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | They wouldn't get away without being caught. | Nov 29 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | [Canonical] | Nov 29 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | Apple has all sorts of evangelists.. it's a cult similar to Microsoft.. or "ecosystem" if you like. | Nov 29 01:36 |
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| [H]omer | Well the Vole succeeded in doing so with complete impunity for decades | Nov 29 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is a huge issue because it attacks rivals. | Nov 29 01:37 |
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| [H]omer | brb | Nov 29 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | Apple could become the same | Nov 29 01:37 |
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| [H]omer | Still up? | Nov 29 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, posting stuff. | Nov 29 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | Where were we? | Nov 29 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | Ah, shills... | Nov 29 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | Apple was successful at brewing its fans and Ubuntu likewise. | Nov 29 02:05 |
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| [H]omer | Just to change the subject, and lighten the mood ... I've been playing around with Amiga emulation for the last couple of days | Nov 29 02:05 |
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| [H]omer | Ever used an Amiga (real or otherwise)? | Nov 29 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | On your PC system? | Nov 29 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | No, it's before my generation | Nov 29 02:06 |
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| [H]omer | Yes, e-uae under Linux | Nov 29 02:06 |
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| schestowitz | My older neighbour had Atari | Nov 29 02:06 |
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| [H]omer | You should buy a second-hand machine and play around with it. It really reminds you of what's so much fun about computing | Nov 29 02:06 |
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| schestowitz | But the games are nostalgic to you. | Nov 29 02:07 |
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| schestowitz | Pong, for example, would do nothing to me.. not of sentimental value anyway | Nov 29 02:07 |
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| [H]omer | I've been thinking a lot about the "fun" element recently. It's seems missing from modern computers | Nov 29 02:07 |
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| schestowitz | It's to do with early experiences. | Nov 29 02:07 |
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| [H]omer | The "Golden Era" | Nov 29 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | Modern computing and older people? You need to ask kids. | Nov 29 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | They have a tough time coming. | Nov 29 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | I wouldn't have kids any time in the next 5 years. | Nov 29 02:08 |
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| [H]omer | It was the diversity, I think, and the choices that made it so interesting | Nov 29 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20... ( Blooomberg 11/25: Food Prices Will Rise, Causing Export Bans, Riots: Chart of Day ) | Nov 29 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601... ( Bloomberg 11/24: U.S. Pledges Top $7.7 Trillion to Ease Frozen Credit ) | Nov 29 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.cnbc.com/id/27835645 ( CNBC 11/21: All US Financials Will be Nationalized in a Year: Manager ) | Nov 29 02:08 |
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| [H]omer | Bleh ... US economics. (yawn) | Nov 29 02:09 |
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| [H]omer | Let 'em all fry | Nov 29 02:09 |
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| [H]omer | in the fat of their own greed | Nov 29 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | [Mr. T voice] I pity the fool who just bought a house on a mortgage and made 2 kids | Nov 29 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | UK is no sunshine, either, but not nearly as bad. | Nov 29 02:10 |
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| [H]omer | LOL, you make it sound like the kids were built in a factory | Nov 29 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | I hear the debt here is less than 100bn | Nov 29 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | Not 10tr | Nov 29 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: yes, I was being sarcastic for comical effect | Nov 29 02:11 |
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| [H]omer | That's what greed does. You hoard iit all, then lose it all (binge and purge), just like an anorexic, only with wider consequences (you hurt others too). | Nov 29 02:11 |
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| schestowitz | What's most amazing is how *quickly* change came. Well change... not in the Obama sense.. change like a pie in the face. | Nov 29 02:12 |
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| [H]omer | Yeah well, remember Black Monday | Nov 29 02:12 |
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| [H]omer | Or was it Friday | Nov 29 02:12 |
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| schestowitz | Which one? | Nov 29 02:12 |
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| [H]omer | I forget | Nov 29 02:12 |
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| schestowitz | Firday | Nov 29 02:12 |
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| schestowitz | My friend at the gym called last Monday Black Monday | Nov 29 02:13 |
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| [H]omer | There's been a few | Nov 29 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | He heard they bring back veterans to the army | Nov 29 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | He has informants there. | Nov 29 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | But I don't follow this type of news closely, so maybe it was reported. | Nov 29 02:13 |
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| [H]omer | It matters most to those who obsess over money the most, which is why I'm totally disinterested in the rise and fall of the stock market | Nov 29 02:14 |
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| [H]omer | I believe strongly in subsistence, nothing more - nothing less | Nov 29 02:14 |
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| schestowitz | Won't work for most people.. | Nov 29 02:15 |
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| schestowitz | They are not educated that way. | Nov 29 02:15 |
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| [H]omer | WorksForMe€® | Nov 29 02:15 |
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| [H]omer | :) | Nov 29 02:15 |
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| [H]omer | I don't exactly live in a cave, either | Nov 29 02:15 |
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| schestowitz | PlaysForSure€® (RIP) | Nov 29 02:15 |
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| [H]omer | NotSoSure€® | Nov 29 02:15 |
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| [H]omer | LOL | Nov 29 02:15 |
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| [H]omer | They should really trademark that | Nov 29 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | NowForTorrent€® | Nov 29 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | Trademark... gimma a break! :-) | Nov 29 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | That whole bullshit system that harbours total control | Nov 29 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find a message I got earlier... | Nov 29 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the comment from 'bsd guy': http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... | Nov 29 02:17 |
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| [H]omer | They've rebranded it "Vista Certified" now, or something. As if media is only "good" if it's controlled by the Vole's pet lemon OS.. | Nov 29 02:17 |
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| schestowitz | Oh noez. He haz my tail!! | Nov 29 02:17 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, about Vista... will post this one to COLA in 10 minutes... http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/in... | Nov 29 02:18 |
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| [H]omer | Vole should know not to keep lemons as pets, they tend to rot and go off | Nov 29 02:18 |
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| schestowitz | "As someone who has been following Microsoft for over 25 years, I remain staggered by the completeness of the Vista fiasco. Microsoft's constant backtracking on the phasing out of Windows XP is perhaps the most evident proof of the fact that people do not want to be forced to “upgrade” to something that has been memorably described as DRM masquerading as an operating system." | Nov 29 02:18 |
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| schestowitz | Marketing as the answer... didn't work. | Nov 29 02:18 |
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| [H]omer | good analyisis | Nov 29 02:18 |
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| schestowitz | They tried Mojava.. Seinfeld... I'ma PC... | Nov 29 02:18 |
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| [H]omer | analysis even | Nov 29 02:18 |
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| schestowitz | Now they try vapourware (Vista 7) | Nov 29 02:18 |
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| [H]omer | Don't forget "People Power" | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | People-ready | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| [H]omer | and "Show Me Your WOW" | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe that's what they need | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | Ha. | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | That site is nuked | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| [H]omer | so funny | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | BillieG asked for people's love | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| [H]omer | nobody had a single "WOW". Not one. How sad | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | Then, having exploited people for free ads, they dumped them | Nov 29 02:19 |
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| schestowitz | .Like that chap from Microsoft evangleism called it, "one-night stand" | Nov 29 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | "Wow" | Nov 29 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | It's... finally. Release. | Nov 29 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. | Nov 29 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | *Released | Nov 29 02:20 |
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| Omar87 | It's pretty disgusting how some people come out claiming that Mono is such a powerful tool for development, .NET is like the strongest web framework ever existed.. And that there are no other Frameworks or languages that can compete with it.. | Nov 29 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | Somehow... after Jimmy A. and Swety put LH in the trashcan in 2005 | Nov 29 02:20 |
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| Omar87 | I personally believe .NET won't even stand a chance against Python.. | Nov 29 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: they could be shills. | Nov 29 02:21 |
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| [H]omer | How about their "Games Division", with emphasis on the word "division" (in the divided sense). They keep assimilating and sacking the contractors. What /that/ all about? | Nov 29 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: Google uses Python extensively. | Nov 29 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | And Google ain't doing so badly. ;-) | Nov 29 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | Mono.NET = The Last Slog€® | Nov 29 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | Next comes Uncle Fester for the LastMeale€® | Nov 29 02:22 |
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| [H]omer | Mono = | Nov 29 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | NoMo, thank you | Nov 29 02:22 |
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| [H]omer | "Destroy the enemy from Within" | Nov 29 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 29 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | Novell | Nov 29 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | de Icaza | Nov 29 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft is a reasonable company" | Nov 29 02:22 |
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| schestowitz | "They treat me well" | Nov 29 02:22 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: If .NET and Mono were even nearly as good as these morons claim it is, google would've been the first company to adopt it, right? ;) | Nov 29 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | "hanging out at Microsoft" (real blog title from Migi) | Nov 29 02:23 |
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| [H]omer | What's that phrase from the "Art of War" again? | Nov 29 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | Tehre are many | Nov 29 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft cites them | Nov 29 02:23 |
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| [H]omer | About getting your enemy to destroy themselves | Nov 29 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | Tsu and alll... watch the Slog memo... it's Microsoft's bible. | Nov 29 02:23 |
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| [H]omer | That's the Vole's plan | Nov 29 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | That and Machiavelli perhaps | Nov 29 02:23 |
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| [H]omer | Plant "seeds" like Mono | Nov 29 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | That's what the BN campaign is about. | Nov 29 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | It's also mixed source. | Nov 29 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | It comes via Novell. | Nov 29 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | With women peddling it... like Gartner/IDG, others. | Nov 29 02:24 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: But yeah, that's the main problem here, you can't tell which one of them is being paid by Microsoft. | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: doesn't matter. | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| [H]omer | What would be in the "Top Ten Poisonware" list | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | If they are foolish enough to defend the monopolist, then it's all amiss. | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| [H]omer | 1. Novell | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| [H]omer | 2. Xandros | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| Omar87 | Yeah | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | They attack everything that contains substring mono like lucust. | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | locust | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| [H]omer | 3. TurboLinux | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | Watch Alan write about the "Mono effect" | Nov 29 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | He writes about it and band! Traffic is x10 the normal, mostly attacjs. | Nov 29 02:26 |
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| [H]omer | 4. Mono | Nov 29 02:26 |
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| [H]omer | 5. Moonlight | Nov 29 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | In Ubuntu Brainstorm you can see them too. | Nov 29 02:26 |
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| [H]omer | 6. Ubuntu | Nov 29 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | Suggest removing Mono, get modded down to -20 | Nov 29 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | They orchestrate this at least in the mailing list | Nov 29 02:26 |
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| [H]omer | 7. Gnome | Nov 29 02:26 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: And what freaks you out is that Mono isn't even nearly as good as they say it is. Just because they think .NET is powerful, which it isn't. | Nov 29 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | "Tah Mono Alarma!! Achtung Achtung!! Attack the messenger" | Nov 29 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | "They find ze plan..." | Nov 29 02:27 |
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| Omar87 | Yeah | Nov 29 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | And then there's that 'humour' they have about conspiracy | Nov 29 02:27 |
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| [H]omer | 8. Adobe Flash (making Linux dependent on proprietary software) | Nov 29 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | If you watch what they say... and profile... disguising this as humour. | Nov 29 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | Samsung, LG, Fuji Xerox... | Nov 29 02:28 |
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| [H]omer | Who was sellout-distro No4? | Nov 29 02:29 |
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| [H]omer | Linspire | Nov 29 02:29 |
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| [H]omer | 9. Linspire (defunct) | Nov 29 02:29 |
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| [H]omer | Hmm. Got a good one for No10. | Nov 29 02:30 |
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| [H]omer | 10, Tivo | Nov 29 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | Turbolinux was #4 | Nov 29 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | Among the desktop ones. | Nov 29 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | Linus *loves* tivoization | Nov 29 02:31 |
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| [H]omer | I know | Nov 29 02:31 |
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| [H]omer | :( | Nov 29 02:31 |
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| schestowitz | s/tivoization/market share/ | Nov 29 02:31 |
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| schestowitz | AKA "Ubuntu bug #1" | Nov 29 02:31 |
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| schestowitz | Freedom? Na... | Nov 29 02:31 |
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| schestowitz | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$-) | Nov 29 02:32 |
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| [H]omer | Everybody "loves" Eric Raymond. 40% fewer people than ever "love" Torvalds | Nov 29 02:32 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I believe Ubuntu should be renamed.. They should call it Novellbuntu... >< | Nov 29 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | Linux loves fame; ESR loves guns :-) | Nov 29 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: no | Nov 29 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu is OK | Nov 29 02:32 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, just call it "LeechBuntu€®" | Nov 29 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | They need reform re: Novell poisonware | Nov 29 02:33 |
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| Omar87 | LeechBuntu? | Nov 29 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | If they follow Novell's footsteps, that's bad | Nov 29 02:33 |
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| Omar87 | Yeah | Nov 29 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: check out my post from 30 minutes ago. | Nov 29 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | Fedora Innovateth, Ubuntu Taketh | Nov 29 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | It's based on the news. | Nov 29 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | Mark Shuttleowtth: synchronise releases | Nov 29 02:34 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, didn't you read the criticisms of Canonical for hardly contributing anything back to the community? | Nov 29 02:34 |
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| schestowitz | Mark Shuttleowtth: we need more user-friendly. | Nov 29 02:34 |
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| schestowitz | Mark Shuttleowtth: more marklet share, more like Macs | Nov 29 02:34 |
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| [H]omer | Mark Shuttleworth "We need Apple" | Nov 29 02:34 |
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| schestowitz | Mark Shuttleowtth: thanks for that new X.org thing, Fedora. We'll have some of dat | Nov 29 02:34 |
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| [H]omer | Mark Shuttleworth "Mac = Good, Linux = Meh" | Nov 29 02:34 |
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| Omar87 | [H]omer: Now, i didn't.. | Nov 29 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | I have an issue with his remarks. | Nov 29 02:35 |
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| Omar87 | No* | Nov 29 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | He fuels the Max trolls. | Nov 29 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | Mac | Nov 29 02:35 |
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| [H]omer | Roy, what's the link to that infamous rant against Ubuntu (low contributions) | Nov 29 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | Mac trolls = Max(imum) trolls | Nov 29 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | Go to Greg's blog | Nov 29 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | But it's kernel space. | Nov 29 02:35 |
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| Omar87 | Is it true that Shuttleworth praises Mac? | Nov 29 02:36 |
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| schestowitz | Shortly after Canonical had joined LF | Nov 29 02:36 |
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| schestowitz | That was like 4 years after Canonical was born. | Nov 29 02:36 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, Yesa | Nov 29 02:36 |
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| schestowitz | And years after it had become most used distro | Nov 29 02:36 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: not praises, but sets it as target to defeat | Nov 29 02:36 |
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| schestowitz | The problem is that he bashes his 'own' 'work' | Nov 29 02:36 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: oh | Nov 29 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | I.e. all that good code he uses rather than market he bashes | Nov 29 02:37 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: How's that? | Nov 29 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | As in, "we need to do better" | Nov 29 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | But he mostly waits for input from other groups | Nov 29 02:37 |
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| Omar87 | Oh | Nov 29 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | That's fine as long as he's humble. | Nov 29 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | But he's not helpful with that '"Mac" thing | Nov 29 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | I don't even link to that Mac stuff of his... he's doing damage | Nov 29 02:38 |
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| [H]omer | "Shuttleworth praises Microsoft innovation" http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corporate/... | Nov 29 02:38 |
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| schestowitz | It's a lousy marketing technique, thank goodness he's not a Ubuntu marketing guy | Nov 29 02:39 |
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| schestowitz | I spoke to their marketing person..Gerry, wasn't it..? | Nov 29 02:39 |
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| *schestowitz looks | Nov 29 02:39 |
| [H]omer | Shuttleworth: "Apple is driving the innovation" http://derstandard.at/PDA/?id=3413801 | Nov 29 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Shuttleworth praises Microsoft innovation and then asserts that the company shares common goals with Ubuntu. One is fighting against spurious process patents." | Nov 29 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: well, they put eye-catching headlines. | Nov 29 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | That's bull of course. | Nov 29 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | GUIs are not innovations. | Nov 29 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of the real stuff came from F/OSS. | Nov 29 02:41 |
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| schestowitz | He stigmatises F/OSS by making those statements... as though only companies and patent applications bring progress | Nov 29 02:41 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I feel it's time for me to explore a new distro. :) | Nov 29 02:41 |
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| [H]omer | "GUIs are not innovations", especially when they are plagiarised from others (Windows 7 = KDE) | Nov 29 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 29 02:42 |
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| [H]omer | In fact /all/ Windows is stolen from the Mac | Nov 29 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | Did you read the same sources? | Nov 29 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, pretty much. | Nov 29 02:42 |
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| [H]omer | Think so | Nov 29 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | Apart from Clippy | Nov 29 02:42 |
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| [H]omer | I bet they even assimilated that | Nov 29 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | Clippt is the ashes of Bob | Nov 29 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | It's pseudo invention | Nov 29 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | Way over the top | Nov 29 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | Like Surface. | Nov 29 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | Who on earth sees value in a SIX-cam device the size of a table??? | Nov 29 02:43 |
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| [H]omer | Today's challenge: Name a single Microsoft product that was not assimilated from another company. Just one. | Nov 29 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | Only some rich spolied dude from Seattle would think so. | Nov 29 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | As I stressed before because I found out by coincidence, they wanted to kill Surface. | Nov 29 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | Bach was gonna kill the embryo of Surface. | Nov 29 02:44 |
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| [H]omer | "Surface" was invented by a japanese student at university | Nov 29 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | Buy Billie had a dream | Nov 29 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | He wanted to show an INNOVA~1 before taking off for political subversion. | Nov 29 02:44 |
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| [H]omer | The Vole has to pay him royalties for their overpriced "coffee table" | Nov 29 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | It was invested by several research groups independently. | Nov 29 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | Does it even serve coffee? | Nov 29 02:45 |
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| [H]omer | er | Nov 29 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | They'll never get people to use the SDK and write apps for it. | Nov 29 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | There isn't even a finished SDK yet!!! | Nov 29 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | And who on earth would buy this now? | Nov 29 02:46 |
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| schestowitz | Airlines are dying, hotels are empty... casinos??? Puh-leeze... there is a new casino in town... it's call Wall Street | Nov 29 02:46 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: http://www.gnu.org.in/board-statement-on-recent-issues | Nov 29 02:47 |
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| schestowitz | "FSF India does not have a campaign against Novell. We share the concerns raised by the boycott Novell campaign. While Novell is making contribution to free software, many of Novell's actions put the free software community's and the users' freedom at risk." | Nov 29 02:48 |
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| schestowitz | Playing safe then.. | Nov 29 02:48 |
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| [H]omer | "Jeff Han" is the guy who invented multi-touch (i.e. "surface") ... just found the link | Nov 29 02:48 |
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| schestowitz | There is also a group in Barcelona | Nov 29 02:49 |
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| schestowitz | 2003 or 04, IIRC | Nov 29 02:49 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe the Volish chaps got their INSPIR~1 there. | Nov 29 02:49 |
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| schestowitz | " FSF India condemns the attack on free software activists who were criticizing Novell in a nonviolent and legitimate way." | Nov 29 02:50 |
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| Omar87 | [H]Omer: So Microsoft Surface is yet another stolen invention.. :) | Nov 29 02:50 |
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| schestowitz | anivar: be careful of Novellers trying to gain chair in FSF India | Nov 29 02:50 |
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| schestowitz | Needless to say, the same goes for Microsoft spologists. | Nov 29 02:50 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: hehe | Nov 29 02:50 |
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| schestowitz | They ruin projects or umbrellas from the inside. | Nov 29 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | Just watch LF. | Nov 29 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | (Linux Foundation) | Nov 29 02:51 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, yes - Microsoft's portfolio is literally a swag-bag of stolen goods. | Nov 29 02:51 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: There is no novellers in FSFIndia as I know. | Nov 29 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | Not goods. | Nov 29 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | Innocvations. | Nov 29 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | They patent that drek. | Nov 29 02:51 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, know what Microsoft's first ever product was? | Nov 29 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Nov 29 02:52 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, MS BASIC | Nov 29 02:52 |
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| schestowitz | Kemenny, no? | Nov 29 02:52 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, know where MS BASIC came from? | Nov 29 02:52 |
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| schestowitz | Or two guys from universities. | Nov 29 02:52 |
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| Omar87 | BASIC? The programming language? | Nov 29 02:52 |
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| schestowitz | Qualifications for Microsoft: skillful dumpster diving. | Nov 29 02:52 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, the dumpsters at Harvard University (yes really) | Nov 29 02:52 |
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| Omar87 | lol :) | Nov 29 02:53 |
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| schestowitz | That where the white horses and the knights came from | Nov 29 02:53 |
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| schestowitz | To "Bring PCs to the Masses"(R) | Nov 29 02:53 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, yes the BASIC programming language (just one interpreter for it - the Vole did not invent BASIC- lol) | Nov 29 02:53 |
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| Omar87 | [H]omer: I wonder what kind of exceptional invention is that.. :) | Nov 29 02:55 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, then they stole DOS from Gary Kildall (CP/M) | Nov 29 02:55 |
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| [H]omer | But only /after/ they lied to IBM about having something to sell them | Nov 29 02:55 |
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| Omar87 | [H]omer: They stole DOS? | Nov 29 02:55 |
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| [H]omer | YES | Nov 29 02:55 |
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| schestowitz | Poor Gary... | Nov 29 02:55 |
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| schestowitz | They left him screwed | Nov 29 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | "He [Bill Gates] is divisive. He is manipulative. He is a user. He has taken much from me and the industry." --Gary Kildall | Nov 29 02:56 |
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| Omar87 | He died didn't he? | Nov 29 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | Charitable Gates... *some* guy... | Nov 29 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | Nov 29 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | He has many court documents left in his memory, among other things. | Nov 29 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | Some lawyer from a rich family stile his /science/ to become a political activist | Nov 29 02:57 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, know where Microsoft got Windows NT from? | Nov 29 02:57 |
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| [H]omer | Hint: subtract one from each letter in "WNT" | Nov 29 02:58 |
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| [H]omer | =VMS | Nov 29 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | The BBC has already mended all these mistakes | Nov 29 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | Revisionism circa June 2008 | Nov 29 02:58 |
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| Omar87 | [H]omer: Where? | Nov 29 02:58 |
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| Omar87 | [H]omer: Where from? | Nov 29 02:59 |
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| [H]omer | The Vole poached a heap of engineers from Digital (VMS) to "write" Windows NT - i.e. copy it line for line | Nov 29 02:59 |
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| [H]omer | Digital = DEC | Nov 29 03:00 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, read this archived document by Mark Russinovich (formerly of SysInternals, now at Microsoft. The guy who famously discovered the Sony Rootkit): http://static.slated.org/nt/the-real-nt.html | Nov 29 03:03 |
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| [H]omer | Stolen code, every line of it | Nov 29 03:04 |
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| [H]omer | Omar87, how about Windows OneCare? | Nov 29 03:04 |
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| [H]omer | They assimilated that from RAV Antivirus (a Linux product) | Nov 29 03:04 |
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| [H]omer | MS Word was stolen from Xerox PARC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micr... | Nov 29 03:09 |
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| [H]omer | Basically everything they've ever released is someone else's cast-offs, or assimilated, or stolen | Nov 29 03:10 |
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| [H]omer | "Synet had already trademarked Internet Explorer as a brand name when Microsoft came calling, offering 75 thousand dollars for rights to the name. When they refused Microsoft stole the name anyway, and SSynet went bankrupt fighting the software goliath\u2019s lawyers in court." | Nov 29 03:14 |
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| [H]omer | http://thepopulist.wordpress.com/2003/10/ | Nov 29 03:14 |
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| [H]omer | "Spyglass, which licensed its browser to Microsoft in return for a percentage of each sale; Microsoft turned the browser into Internet Explorer and bundled it with Windows, giving it away to gain market share but effectively destroying any chance of Spyglass making money from the deal they had signed with Microsoft; Spyglass sued for deception and won a $8 million settlement" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criti... | Nov 29 03:17 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Nov 29 03:19 |
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| anivar | http://bunny.medhas.org/2008/11/28/attend-fos... | Nov 29 03:52 |
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| schestowitz | anivar: I'm off to bed now but I hope to see you here tomorrow | Nov 29 03:58 |
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| schestowitz | I might blog what we spoke about, assuming it's OK. | Nov 29 03:58 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: Ok gn | Nov 29 03:58 |
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| kevin__ | hello | Nov 29 04:04 |
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| kevin__ | it sure is nice to see people buying macs instead of PCs :) | Nov 29 04:04 |
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| kevin__ | my brother just purchased one | Nov 29 04:05 |
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| kevin__ | i have a geforce 7600gs and it works fine | Nov 29 04:14 |
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| kevin__ | w/proprietary drivers of course | Nov 29 04:15 |
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| kevin__ | woops wrong channel | Nov 29 04:15 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm starting to consider switching from Ubuntu to some other distro. where Mono is less incorporated with the system, like Gentoo, Debian.. etc.. | Nov 29 06:25 |
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| Omar87 | What do you think? | Nov 29 06:25 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: have you heard ? linux kernel running on iphone. | Nov 29 08:51 |
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| schestowitz | Claiming undeserved credit: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diar... | Nov 29 10:27 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Just read what the convicted monopolist says about his victim Gary Kildall: | Nov 29 11:17 |
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| Omar87 | Gary Kildall was one of the original pioneers of the PC revolution. He was a very creative computer scientist who did excellent work. Although we were competitors, I always had tremendous respect for his contributions to the PC industry. His untimely death was very unfortunate and he and his work will be missed. The Computer Chronicles. "Special Edition: Gary Kildall." 1995 | Nov 29 11:17 |
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| Omar87 | That's Bill Gates if course. | Nov 29 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Rewriting history | Nov 29 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Gary has pages in his memory | Nov 29 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | With the court document to show what Microsoft did. | Nov 29 11:18 |
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| Omar87 | Crocodile tears. | Nov 29 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | Remember... | Nov 29 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | There are reasons why Microsoft is disliked whereas IBM is not really.. | Nov 29 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | IBM is like 5 times bigger. | Nov 29 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | In terms of staff, IIRC | Nov 29 11:18 |
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| Omar87 | Yeah | Nov 29 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft, unlike IBM, can 'boast' a history of stepping on people (stomping even)... lots of the victims of Microsoft's crimes become F/OSS pushers. | Nov 29 11:19 |
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| Omar87 | That's true. | Nov 29 11:20 |
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| Omar87 | For another example, look what Netscape did after getting stepped on by microsoft. | Nov 29 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | I became like I am because of Microsoft smears | Nov 29 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | I used to just friendlily advocate "Linux" | Nov 29 11:21 |
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| Omar87 | One of the facts that so many people don't know is that Firefox IS actually the old Netscape Navigator. | Nov 29 11:22 |
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| NthDegree | I became anti-MS when XP was released.. my system kept telling me it couldn't read license-related data and preventing me from booting | Nov 29 11:22 |
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| NthDegree | Firefox is based on the rendering engine behind netscape | Nov 29 11:22 |
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| NthDegree | but Seamonkey is what you want if you want Netscape Navigator, Communicator etc. | Nov 29 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, Gecko... the engine. | Nov 29 11:24 |
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| Omar87 | Gecko is for the layout, right? | Nov 29 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 29 11:26 |
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| Omar87 | Is it open-source? | Nov 29 11:27 |
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| NthDegree | Firefox is Free Software | Nov 29 11:27 |
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| NthDegree | They have an EULA which applies to artwork and official binaries, but otherwise it's Free | Nov 29 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | Not anymore. :-) | Nov 29 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | Now it's just a page | Nov 29 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | Cautioning a little. | Nov 29 11:28 |
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| Omar87 | Afaik, they removed the EULA. | Nov 29 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | Which still means a restriction nonetheless.. but there's gnucat and iceweasel. | Nov 29 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: removed from visibility as a GUI element.. | Nov 29 11:28 |
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| NthDegree | Nah the EULA is still there but distros remove it via patching | Nov 29 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | They made it kind of 'laid back'... | Nov 29 11:29 |
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| NthDegree | downloading an official binary still forces you to agree to it | Nov 29 11:29 |
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| Omar87 | Oh, ok. | Nov 29 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | WTF? <a href="http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/20..." title="Novell and Open Source Communities"> | Nov 29 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobi... | Nov 29 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | "Terrorism Survival Bundle" | Nov 29 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | Alan Greespan: it's 'my fault', I was greedy.. Greenspan - I was wrong about the economy. Sort of < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/24/eco... > | Nov 29 13:38 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Why doesn't Micheal Gagne say anything about Mono being injected in Ubuntu? | Nov 29 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: I think he talked about it weeks ago | Nov 29 13:40 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Oh | Nov 29 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's a known issue of "controversy" | Nov 29 13:40 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: But, aren't we sort of oversizing the problem here? | Nov 29 13:40 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Is it really as much of a horrible crime as sounds? | Nov 29 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | Looking at the long term, I think not. | Nov 29 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | Novell already tells that it will get closer to Microsoft. | Nov 29 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | Novell owns Mono. | Nov 29 13:41 |
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| Omar87 | Yeah, I know/ | Nov 29 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | We create a legal/technical dependency on MS right inside the main distros. | Nov 29 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | Novell LOVES it when people adopt Mono. | Nov 29 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | It controls the pool this way | Nov 29 13:42 |
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| Omar87 | Like some people say, if you don't like, you're not forced to use it. | Nov 29 13:42 |
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| Omar87 | Controls the pool? | Nov 29 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | Here's the thing. | Nov 29 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu should not have installed by default. | Nov 29 13:43 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: What that, I totally agree. | Nov 29 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | People don't call for a ban on Mono (not at first anyway). The problem is that people are fed this poison by default. | Nov 29 13:43 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: It's just plain pointless to have it installed by default. | Nov 29 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Another problem is that Canonical rewards people who choose .NET. | Nov 29 13:43 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: It does? | Nov 29 13:44 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: But why? What's the point? | Nov 29 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. | Nov 29 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | He's pressured. | Nov 29 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | You saw the mono boosters in Brainstorm and the forums. | Nov 29 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | There are lots of .NET fans who lobby for it, which puts people like Mark under pressure. | Nov 29 13:45 |
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| schestowitz | It's the 'democracy' is being taken over from the inside. | Nov 29 13:45 |
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| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Nov 29 13:45 |
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| *Omar87 says hi to MinceR | Nov 29 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Howdy, Sir. | Nov 29 13:46 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: So, what Linux do you use? | Nov 29 13:48 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva these days... on my main machine anyway | Nov 29 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | Greed kills: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/11/28... | Nov 29 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | Water Wars < http://technocrat.net/d/... > | Nov 29 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Blowing away what's left... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=... < Black Friday traffic takes down Sears.com > | Nov 29 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | Cool, thanks. | Nov 29 20:04 |
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| _doug | what is it ? | Nov 29 20:07 |
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| twitter | Hmm, I must have missed something. | Nov 29 20:07 |
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| twitter | anything interesting happen in the last two days? | Nov 29 20:07 |
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| twitter | thanks | Nov 29 20:08 |
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| MinceR | lol @ pedobear | Nov 29 20:08 |
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| twitter | pedobear? I must be in the wrong place. | Nov 29 20:09 |
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| _doug | the Mumbai tourism board overdid it on the hospitality .. :) | Nov 29 20:09 |
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| twitter | I hope they treated you well _doug | Nov 29 20:09 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz pasted an ascii art of pedobear | Nov 29 20:10 |
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| twitter | Oh, I only got half of it. Does not sound like Roy. | Nov 29 20:10 |
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| macabe | What's a pedobear? | Nov 29 20:11 |
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| twitter | it's a bad joke about child molestation. | Nov 29 20:11 |
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| MinceR | http://www.encyclopediadramat... | Nov 29 20:12 |
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| MinceR | (probably nsfw) | Nov 29 20:13 |
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| twitter | It's filthy enough that the wikipedia has no entry. | Nov 29 20:13 |
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| MinceR | nah, wp guys would say it has no "notability" | Nov 29 20:14 |
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| MinceR | never mind that they don't really have a page limit | Nov 29 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | It was in Digg | Nov 29 20:14 |
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| _doug | But Wikipedia does have an entey on that long time nutter who MI5 and BBC newsreaders spy on .. | Nov 29 20:14 |
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| _doug | Most probably written by the screwy one himself .. | Nov 29 20:15 |
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| *schestowitz didn't even know the story behind it until MinceR mentioned it | Nov 29 20:15 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 29 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | I'm out in a moment. | Nov 29 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Drinking all night. :D | Nov 29 20:15 |
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| twitter | Really? | Nov 29 20:16 |
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| twitter | be careful | Nov 29 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | I need to 'sober up' from that BN thing. | Nov 29 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: careful, why? | Nov 29 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | Outside the capus it's dangerous for sure. | Nov 29 20:16 |
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| twitter | so you don't fall down and break your crown. | Nov 29 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | That's why RMS is in MIT | Nov 29 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | No crown | Nov 29 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | No purse, either. | Nov 29 20:17 |
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| twitter | So, who's baggy pantsed Roy here? | Nov 29 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | Huh? :-S | Nov 29 20:18 |
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| twitter | pedobear, boozing, that does not sound like Roy | Nov 29 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | What?? | Nov 29 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | No, I was replying to _doug | Nov 29 20:18 |
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| twitter | (02:22:36 PM) schestowitz: I need to 'sober up' from that BN thing. | Nov 29 20:19 |
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| _doug | I don't get the reference either, I just mentioned Ascii art .. | Nov 29 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: joke | Nov 29 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | It's a friend's birthday today | Nov 29 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | We'll maybe pull some birds | Nov 29 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | 'twas in a page with ASCII art example | Nov 29 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | *examples | Nov 29 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR knew what it was. I didn't | Nov 29 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | Gotta go now. Laters | Nov 29 20:22 |
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| _doug | iPlayer is still freezing .. | Nov 29 20:31 |
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| _doug | Is this what I'm not paying the license fee for ? | Nov 29 20:31 |
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| _doug | "This content doesn't appear to be working. Try again later" | Nov 29 20:37 |
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| _doug | Never mind .. lets see what's on Youtube .. | Nov 29 20:41 |
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| _doug | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ayACsykYOQ0&... | Nov 29 20:41 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 29 22:49:50 2008 |
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Nov 29 22:49 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and their subtle (yet severe) implications" [publicly logged] | Nov 29 22:49 |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Oct 5 19:20:28 2008 | Nov 29 22:49 |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Nov 29 22:49 |
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| GoblinRFD | Hi Roy! | Nov 29 22:54 |
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| kevin__ | hi | Nov 29 22:56 |
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| GoblinRFD | hi! Sorry I was distracted | Nov 29 23:08 |
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