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flybackgoodJan 30 00:05
*flyback applauds americaJan 30 00:05
schestowitz"BoycottNovell does an excellent service - maintaining a single site where all the tricks employed by Microsoft can be put on display for the whole world to see." < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l... >Jan 30 00:06
flybackthe majority of the mainstream media is unwilling to cover the nonsensical junk science of the right-wing think tanks and their cadre of scientists for hire.Jan 30 00:07
flybackohJan 30 00:07
flybackyou mean like them all unwilling to cover when a kid found a major miscalculation in global warming 100 yr trends?Jan 30 00:07
flybackthat even some proponents of global warming say it's better to have the correct numbersJan 30 00:07
schestowitzproponents?Jan 30 00:07
schestowitzI wouldn't call it thatJan 30 00:08
flybackpeople who agree on global warmingJan 30 00:08
schestowitzNo-one is a proponent, but some deny the impact of human machinationsJan 30 00:08
schestowitzTemperature is far from the only issueJan 30 00:08
schestowitzAnother is resources being finite, and not just oil.Jan 30 00:09
MinceRgnJan 30 00:09
schestowitzWith deforestation you are left with less oxygen and less use of to to produce edible substance for the food chain.Jan 30 00:10
flybackwell no arguement with replanting treesJan 30 00:10
flybackthat's just common senseJan 30 00:10
schestowitzIt's happening.Jan 30 00:10
schestowitzThough consumption o lumber will stagnate with the bad economy.Jan 30 00:10
flybackI also don't have a problem with reduction of pollution, I just still not convinced on co2Jan 30 00:11
flybackI don't mind increase energy efficiency of appliances eitherJan 30 00:11
schestowitzThat's old newsJan 30 00:11
flybackiJan 30 00:11
schestowitzThe denails came more recently.Jan 30 00:11
flybacki am just sick of all this shit of all these morons trying to weigh even having sex in terms of carbonJan 30 00:11
schestowitzWere were told this at school when I was under 10. The denials came much later -- a propaganda surge, like the tobacco companies'.Jan 30 00:12
schestowitz*LOL*Jan 30 00:12
flybackblah blah blahJan 30 00:12
schestowitzShowers are probably much more weight-worthy, next to automobiles.Jan 30 00:12
flybackand as far as I am concernedJan 30 00:12
flybackthese assholes and teachers who go along with it trying to scare little kids to influnce their parents about global warmingJan 30 00:12
flybackare no better than child molestorsJan 30 00:13
schestowitzA plane will produce half a tonne of CO2 _per passenger_ on a long flight.Jan 30 00:13
flybackand deserve the same penaltyJan 30 00:13
flybackbullet to the headJan 30 00:13
schestowitzTeachers?Jan 30 00:13
schestowitzThat's a but extreme, no?Jan 30 00:13
flybackno it's notJan 30 00:13
flybackterrorifying little children is bullshitJan 30 00:14
flybackthis is the shit hitler did in schoolsJan 30 00:14
schestowitzBut he promoted racism and hatredJan 30 00:14
schestowitzHere you talk about encouragement/discouragement of actionJan 30 00:14
flybackthat tooJan 30 00:14
flybackhe was the biggest cock sucker everJan 30 00:14
schestowitzAnd since you brought it up, the US does that tooJan 30 00:14
flybacknow he can suck cock in hellJan 30 00:14
schestowitzGoebbels-ism lives onJan 30 00:15
flybackwhatever the fuck that isJan 30 00:15
schestowitzThe meaning of reference?Jan 30 00:15
schestowitz*orJan 30 00:15
flybackwhatever stupid ism crap someone made upJan 30 00:15
schestowitzI don't know if there is a word for itJan 30 00:16
schestowitzBut the term was sort of coin and attribted to a certain patternJan 30 00:16
schestowitzPropaganda predates Nazi GermanyJan 30 00:16
schestowitzIt came from the PR industryJan 30 00:16
schestowitzIn its gentler form it's used to subjugate and arouse attraction to distraction and superficial things in lifeJan 30 00:17
schestowitzRadicalism is entirely separate. You could classify many of today's exposures (everyday ones) as "propaganda", and likewise, to borrow Ron Paul's word, you could call the US regime "soft facism" (that's what a Ron Paul called it)Jan 30 00:18
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/29... (Indian embassy website hack part of wider assault)Jan 30 00:40
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schestowitzwasabi: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/01/na... "However, the term "intellectual privilege" seems to work. It's got the right initial letters, which is a huge win! But it also correctly describes the actual nature of the temporary rights we're considering."Jan 30 01:18
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*flyback can't wait for aids to become airborn and wipe out mankindJan 30 01:40
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MinceRgeekingsJan 30 09:06
schestowitzMorningJan 30 09:06
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schestowitzYahoo! lobs! Briefcase! into! rubbish! bin! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/30...Jan 30 10:01
schestowitzMS division lays off 10%: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/30/c...Jan 30 10:02
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schestowitz"The workforce reductions will save Citrix about $50m a year in costs, and the company will book charges in the range of $19m to $23m, mostly in the first quarter of 2009, to cover the layoffs."Jan 30 10:05
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schestowitzThat's just another Microsoft subsidiary (ish) laying people off.Jan 30 10:06
schestowitzFeds: IT admin plotted to erase Fannie Mae < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/29/fa... > Jan 30 10:07
schestowitzChartered Semiconductor Cuts 600 Staff as Downturn Worsens < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158618/charte... >Jan 30 11:04
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schestowitzGood evening, anthony.Jan 30 11:10
schestowitzFired Fannie Mae Contractor Tried to Crash Network < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158596/fired_fa... >Jan 30 11:10
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Omar87Hi allJan 30 11:43
schestowitzHey, Omar87.Jan 30 11:45
schestowitzOmar87: 2 hours ago I watched this interesting video about daemonisation which I think you'll find interesting.Jan 30 11:50
schestowitzIt starts here about 5 minutes from the start http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0RfI... and continues here http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T_vc2YMo2ZE&...Jan 30 11:51
Omar87schestowitz: What is it about?Jan 30 12:00
schestowitzDaemonisation in Hollywood.Jan 30 12:00
schestowitzI hate propaganda.Jan 30 12:00
schestowitzThe 10-part mashup is wide ranging, mainly a criticism of authority that deceives and subjugates. it's worth a watch.Jan 30 12:02
schestowitzGoogle slaughters animals...? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/30/who...Jan 30 12:08
Omar87schestowitz: Are you sure you're talking about Google? Not KFC?Jan 30 12:12
schestowitz:-)Jan 30 12:13
schestowitzWell, it's Google's knowledge-lusting vehiclesJan 30 12:13
Omar87:DJan 30 12:13
schestowitzhttp://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/techno... http://thedw.us/post/74073534/google-maps-fi...Jan 30 12:14
schestowitzhttp://digg.com/tech_news/Google_...Jan 30 12:14
schestowitzAperi dies on its arse < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... >Jan 30 12:20
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schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/apache2-default/ "tuxmachines will return if you will. We are in the process of moving files at this time and should be online later today. "Jan 30 12:25
schestowitzEwww...  "Bartz tells Ballmer "eat my shorts"" < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/7... >Jan 30 12:36
schestowitzushimitsudoki: is your site down?Jan 30 12:40
schestowitzOh, wait, it responded after like 2 minutes (!!)Jan 30 12:41
schestowitzPoor Google's PR gaffe... "If Google Earth didn't exist, would they have used a tourist map, he added." < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new... >Jan 30 12:46
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schestowitzThig man's upset.. I’m Not Boycotting FOSDEM About Novell, So Please Stop Saying That < http://www.news.software.coop/im-not-boycot... >Jan 30 13:06
schestowitzApple vs. Palm: the In-Depth Analysis < http://www.osnews.com/story/20876/Apple_... >Jan 30 13:13
schestowitz" Many of the Haitians who overthrew Aristide's government (in a coup organized by the Bush regime) now are accused of drug trafficking by the US. I suspect that other parts of the US government, those which worked with these people in the coup, are protecting them now." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-f...Jan 30 13:14
schestowitzShrinking Glaciers Have Put Tibetans in the Path of Climate Chaos < http://www.alternet.org/story/121871/ >. Recipe for more confrontation . Climate crisis leading to wars/nuclear crises.Jan 30 13:15
schestowitzAttenborough reveals creationist hate mail for not crediting God < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ja... >Jan 30 13:16
schestowitz"Sir David Attenborough has revealed that he receives hate mail from viewers for failing to credit God in his documentaries. In an interview with this week's Radio Times about his latest documentary, on Charles Darwin and natural selection, the broadcaster said: "They tell me to burn in hell and good riddance.""Jan 30 13:16
schestowitz"Two courts in the UK have now agreed that the minute of B'liar's cabinet meeting, which discussed invading Iraq, must be published  so people can judge whether the invasion was illegal." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-fe...Jan 30 13:17
schestowitz"That means we have a chance of seeing B'liar behind bars. But that will not automatically restore the Rights of Englishmen which he has mostly abolished."Jan 30 13:17
schestowitzGNU is the way forward  < http://www.thezimbabwetimes.com/?p=10685 >Jan 30 13:35
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kentmahe should be behind bars, I thinkJan 30 15:12
schestowitzInstead he's at the bar ;-)Jan 30 15:13
kentmahis mrs certainly is :-)Jan 30 15:13
schestowitzLOLJan 30 15:13
schestowitzOh, by the way Mark, Linux Format (Magazine) got in touch with me last nightJan 30 15:28
schestowitzSimulated Wi-Fi Worm Infects Thousands Of Routers Overnight < http://www.darkreading.com/security/vulnerabi... >Jan 30 15:29
PetoKrausi wonder about that oneJan 30 15:31
PetoKrausi don't know of any router using windowsJan 30 15:31
PetoKrausso how could possibly malware infect the router?Jan 30 15:32
PetoKrausMyers said that since wireless routers generally do not run antivirus software, there might not be a way to clean an infected router. But users can prevent most infection threats by using strong passwords and WPA -- not WEP -- for encryption.Jan 30 15:32
PetoKrauswhat the...?Jan 30 15:32
kentmaschestowitz: what did the LF guys have to say?Jan 30 15:33
PetoKrauswhat's this darkreading pageJan 30 15:33
PetoKrausa trollpost or whatJan 30 15:33
kentmadarkreading?  possibly.  lightreading & heavyreading are Graham Finney and co - Graham's very good.Jan 30 15:35
PetoKrausi'm talking about the link aboveJan 30 15:36
PetoKraushttp://www.darkreading.com/security/vulnera...Jan 30 15:36
schestowitzkentma: I thanked them for getting in touch because the guy who edits was running a small discussion on Mono. They asked for feedback from some members of our community, and their responses have been largely positive about Mono, with the general belief being that it's beneficial. Jan 30 15:36
PetoKrausthis is next one on tapJan 30 15:36
schestowitzThe editor knew that Boycott Novell takes a very strong stance on Mono, so he wanted to ensure they cover both sides of the story if possible. So I mailed him back.Jan 30 15:36
schestowitzPetoKraus: it comes via Windows machines that are connected to it.Jan 30 15:36
kentmaexcellent.  Mono is, I believe, a very dangerous thing.  It's function is as "patent carrier", a bit like releasing a diseased insect into a colony in order to kill the colony.Jan 30 15:37
schestowitzit's similar to Samba or sendmail "sending" viruses. They merely transmit.Jan 30 15:37
PetoKrausbut hellJan 30 15:37
PetoKrausthey are not stored on the router any wayJan 30 15:37
PetoKraus*in any wayJan 30 15:37
kentmaPetoKraus: I see what you mean...Jan 30 15:37
PetoKrausand the study is requiring subscriptionJan 30 15:37
PetoKrausi'm not paying 10$ for a piece of crapJan 30 15:37
PetoKrauswhich has already been paid for by it's taxpayersJan 30 15:38
schestowitzkentma: biological analogies are not fancied by the Mono peopleJan 30 15:38
schestowitz[H]omer called it "poisonware" and they don't like it either... like "infection"..Jan 30 15:38
kentma"patent carrier" will do for me.  It's not biological.  Maybe it's like an aircraft carrier :-)Jan 30 15:38
kentmaIt's designed to kill, though, either way.Jan 30 15:39
schestowitzkentma: "If you want to quote some of the comments from that blog entry in your reply, that's fine too - we just want to make sure we give equal space to both sides of the question! I know your site generally covers a wide range of Microsoft, Novell and interoperability issues, but for the purpose of this discussion we particularly want to focus on the influence Mono is having on the Linux world."Jan 30 15:39
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schestowitzkentma: Jose_x wants to do an article proving that patents can exist in APIsJan 30 15:39
schestowitzThe Mono crowd consistently denies it (well, AlexH does)Jan 30 15:40
kentmapossibly AlexH believes it too.  Doesn't make it correct, though.Jan 30 15:41
-tomaw-[Global Notice] Hi all. One of a client servers appears to be having connectivity problems which we're currently investigating. On our more positive note freenode turned 15 yesterday! Happy birthday everyone and thanks for using freenode!Jan 30 15:43
schestowitzThey had exchanged over 200 comments in this threadJan 30 15:43
PetoKraushmJan 30 15:45
PetoKraushttp://tech.slashdot.org/comment...Jan 30 15:45
schestowitzhttp://tech.slashdot.org/comments...Jan 30 15:49
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PetoKrausyeahJan 30 16:01
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schestowitzThis is amazing: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/busine...Jan 30 16:03
schestowitzThe MSBBC treats its columnist Bill Gates like he's an ecnomistJan 30 16:03
schestowitzForget about professors of economics and Nobel laureates. Listen to a man who built a career from stealing other people's ideas and then breaking laws...Jan 30 16:04
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kentmait's confusing fiscal manipulation with the study of economics...Jan 30 16:06
zer0c00lhe is isn't a economist he is a cheatJan 30 16:06
zer0c00ldel isJan 30 16:06
twitterWhat organizations are working for Free Science Journals?Jan 30 16:08
schestowitzzer0c00l: Dell?Jan 30 16:10
schestowitzFrom Davos also: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en...Jan 30 16:10
zer0c00lsorry i typed a extra *is* so i asked to delete itJan 30 16:11
zer0c00lnothing elseJan 30 16:11
zer0c00l:PJan 30 16:11
schestowitzVideo here: Putin to Dell: Make that BIC < http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/01... >Jan 30 16:11
schestowitzElites playing Gods in Switzerland.Jan 30 16:12
schestowitzWatch him bitchslapped by Putin. Got to love it!Jan 30 16:12
schestowitzhttp://www.tgdaily.com/content... ( Putin rejects Dell's offer of aid )Jan 30 16:13
twitterI was unable to watch the video to that.  clive downloaded a low res flv file that barfed X when I tried to play it with kmplayer.Jan 30 16:27
schestowitzIn Soviet Putin, video plays *you*Jan 30 16:28
schestowitzRenesas Cutting 2,500 Workers in Japan < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158621/re... > ... a shame really because they do some Linux too.Jan 30 16:29
schestowitzFujitsu Revises Outlook, Expects First Loss in Six Years < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158620/fu... >Jan 30 16:29
twitterIn Putin's Russia, Government regulates monopoly.Jan 30 16:33
MinceRIn Soviet USA, business regulates government.Jan 30 16:34
twitteryes, we are so used to it that the normal situation sounds like a joke.Jan 30 16:34
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schestowitzHey, jose Jan 30 16:42
schestowitzI want to post something about API patentsJan 30 16:42
josewhat?Jan 30 16:42
schestowitzOh wait.Jan 30 16:43
josei have reworked the writing a few timesJan 30 16:43
schestowitzJose_XJan 30 16:43
schestowitzOKJan 30 16:43
josestill need more timeJan 30 16:43
*schestowitz thought he had misidentifiedJan 30 16:43
josewhat did you want to postJan 30 16:43
schestowitzThere's an article about Mono coming to "print"Jan 30 16:43
schestowitzUK magazineJan 30 16:43
josewhen, about what, and what does this have to do wth patentsJan 30 16:44
jose..besides the risks of courseJan 30 16:44
josedo you want to provide a balancing reply?Jan 30 16:44
jose.. near the same time of publication?Jan 30 16:44
jose...moving to a diff topic for a secondJan 30 16:45
schestowitzThe issue came up earlierJan 30 16:45
jose[back to prior topic..] what issue?Jan 30 16:45
schestowitzMono and patentsJan 30 16:46
joseso let me ask again.. is the need you have to post about patents/api related to the timing of this mono publication?Jan 30 16:47
josei meant to say, "so let me ask differently"Jan 30 16:47
schestowitzjose: in a way, yes.Jan 30 16:50
josei like the angle I am taking.. and there is some further insight.. but the article is still very unfinished (paragraphs that don't work well into each other). and is still missing an important piece: examplesJan 30 16:50
schestowitzAlexH vanished againJan 30 16:50
joselet me put something together in the next few hours and i'll email you the draft with comments about what is missing.Jan 30 16:50
schestowitzAs for Dan O'Brian, he vanished immediately after I'd pointed out that he's posting from near Novell (Massachusetts). He did like 50 comments/day before that.Jan 30 16:51
josei haven't had as much time to put into that as I would likeJan 30 16:52
schestowitzThanks.Jan 30 16:52
josebefore i get to working on it then, let me mention some ideas about what balance sheet, cash flows, and income might be hiding.Jan 30 16:54
josei'm just throwing this out since if things happen in the future, this might give insight.. but i'm not suggesting anyone (eg, ms) is doing any of this.Jan 30 16:54
jose.. is doing any of this in actuality today.Jan 30 16:55
josei'm not an accountant and have limited knowledge.. keep that in mindJan 30 16:55
joseok.Jan 30 16:55
joseearnings:Jan 30 16:55
joseyou make a huge multiyear sale and decide to book most of the gains up front in the earlier years.Jan 30 16:56
joseresult: income statement will really be helped todayJan 30 16:56
josethe clients give some of that money today but not nearly all of it.Jan 30 16:56
josehow do you respond?Jan 30 16:57
joseyour accounts receivable (an asset) grows...Jan 30 16:57
joseand you "invest" in that client.Jan 30 16:57
josethe "investment" reduces your cashflows naturally since it's money you would have had coming but did not receive (or "sort of got but put right back into the investment"Jan 30 16:58
josethe balance sheet shows large numbers.. revenues and earningsJan 30 16:58
joseyou can then borrow moneyJan 30 16:58
joseto fatten the cashJan 30 16:58
schestowitzYou are apt at programming, no?Jan 30 16:59
josewhich you can then use to buy stock or dividendsJan 30 16:59
jose[why is schestowitz interrupting?]Jan 30 16:59
schestowitzWe had a discussion about paper money last year, remember?Jan 30 16:59
jose;-)Jan 30 16:59
schestowitzMicrosoft's imaginary valueJan 30 16:59
schestowitzThe valuation has gone  down the gutter sinceJan 30 16:59
*schestowitz is also doing Comes exhibits now (hence lag)Jan 30 16:59
joseschestowitz is always doing comes exhibits nowJan 30 17:00
schestowitzjose: no, not interrupting, just reading from 'the top' firstJan 30 17:00
schestowitzI find it fascination how the (now unfolding) financial scam impacts those who gamed the system the mostJan 30 17:01
josewell to conclude the earnings thing.. the problem will be that you look good on paper today, but then the revenues and cash dry up tomorrow.. the end.Jan 30 17:01
schestowitzMicrosoft is among these (probably Novell too)Jan 30 17:01
schestowitzNovell was sued by investorsJan 30 17:01
schestowitzGroklaw also caught them last yearJan 30 17:01
josethe b&m foundry is the "secret" mine where the thieves stash the loot taken from the public. ..Jan 30 17:04
josethey are only leveraging the system that existsJan 30 17:04
schestowitzB&M?Jan 30 17:08
josegates foundryJan 30 17:20
josebill melindaJan 30 17:20
schestowitzHehe.Jan 30 17:22
schestowitzThew tax evading, puppy-loving schemeJan 30 17:22
schestowitzjose: can you write an essay to explain this? Even a short one. I'd love to publish this.Jan 30 17:24
josewhat are we talking about now?Jan 30 17:25
schestowitzThere are other issues with B&M, the least of which being that they push the IP of US-based pharmas that 'buy' livesJan 30 17:25
joseschestowitz, are you saying you want a short essay soon on the patent/api?Jan 30 17:30
joselet me quote something from the current draft (I hope to keep it to the point and as short as possible): ...Jan 30 17:30
jose"A patent claim can be redefined as a set of properties (p1, p2, ..) such that infringement by a product occurs if and only if these patent claim properties are all included among the set of properties defining the product. A claim usually can be defined with a (relatively) small number of basic properties, usually expressed using high-level descriptions in (eg) English."Jan 30 17:30
joseit gets better though...Jan 30 17:31
josebut this upcoming quote is the point where I stopped yesterdayJan 30 17:31
jose"What is an "API"? An API is any specification of a software interface.[1] In the current context, an API will require that a software product or software method attain certain properties. The development platform surrounding that API will make sure that the applications being built according to an API perform according to the API. If the API says that use of X according to its rules will imply all Ys will have Zs, then the development platform tools wilJan 30 17:32
josel ensure that, when X is used as prescribed, the application acquires the property that all Ys will have Zs."Jan 30 17:32
josei'm not sure if throwing this out makes senseJan 30 17:32
josea key point is to redefine patent claims, products, and api, in terms of properties that hold, resp.Jan 30 17:33
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joseit then becomes very easy to see just how api can be used to instill ("bake in") the properties of the patent into the productsJan 30 17:34
josei want to compare/contrast some of the main possibilities when you have a patent, an api, and a product.. this way people can more easily see by seeing the differencesJan 30 17:35
jose..and the similaritiesJan 30 17:35
josehonestly, I'm trying not to make it too technical sounding..Jan 30 17:36
josein the draft, i'm just getting the main framework based on some things I thought about some days back (after I wrote you)Jan 30 17:36
josei also want to add some key examples (hypotheticals but based on real api or patents.. to ground it in reality some)Jan 30 17:37
jose..and for effectJan 30 17:37
josefinally, i'll need to rework the draft a few times so that it all gels together okJan 30 17:37
joseso, schestowitz..Jan 30 17:37
joseif you want a short version.. what should i focus on.. or do you want to wait?Jan 30 17:38
schestowitzGood.Jan 30 17:40
schestowitzYou seem to have formalised itJan 30 17:41
schestowitzOK. Caught upJan 30 17:42
schestowitzThat's all good, even if you don't think it's polished enough.Jan 30 17:42
josewell, i posted something that i felt sounded good, but there has to be moreJan 30 17:43
joseso do you want to wait a bit or what?Jan 30 17:43
josei even considered how far i might be able to formalize a proof.. but it's not my..Jan 30 17:44
joseinterest at this point in time to attempt that because so many aspects depend on things like..Jan 30 17:44
joseEnglish interpretation of (a) law, (b) patents, ... inside court rooms.Jan 30 17:45
josei'd also have to make sure i know every detail of current law.. eg, us lawJan 30 17:45
josei like math because you can ultimately come up with something that is almost completely proven without doubt (assuming you can follow the jargon)..Jan 30 17:45
joseand you rely on very well defined itemsJan 30 17:46
joseon the other hand, a model can be created for anything.Jan 30 17:46
joseso a simple model for patents might be possible and then something like a formal proof could be attempted (while stating the assumptions, etc)Jan 30 17:46
joseanyway.. i was just fantisizing for a minute thereJan 30 17:47
josewhat i care about is that if real dangers exist, that developers have their eyes open to themJan 30 17:47
joseand that less tech savvy people understand the gist of the arguments and vote accordinglyJan 30 17:48
schestowitzjose: that's goodJan 30 17:48
schestowitzIn fact, all the comments back then were goodJan 30 17:48
josethis time, we talk about the patent-api trap. later on we can talk more carefully about implicationsJan 30 17:49
schestowitzThat's why I wanted to make a post out of them to give them visibility, you know?Jan 30 17:49
schestowitzThere are also those from Linux TodayJan 30 17:49
schestowitzYou could, in principle, just group a few and have them postedJan 30 17:49
josei'll reference the two from LT that are easy to followJan 30 17:49
josein fact, at the very top, i reference them since they serve to communicate the main points easilyJan 30 17:50
schestowitzyes, link to comments tooJan 30 17:50
jose.. and i can then get a little more technical so that i don't wave my hands as much and am more believableJan 30 17:50
schestowitzUse it as peripheral source.Jan 30 17:50
josei may link to a few other commentsJan 30 17:50
schestowitzI do this a lot in BN to keep posts conciseJan 30 17:50
schestowitzAs if to say, "I covered X there, so I hereby paste [X] here"Jan 30 17:51
schestowitzInstead of pasting I just linkJan 30 17:51
schestowitzIn USENET it's harderJan 30 17:51
schestowitzI have no mechanism for linking thereJan 30 17:51
schestowitzRe: Comes, the Wiki is brilliant for the purposeJan 30 17:51
schestowitzI can link in cyclic fashion too, so it's easy to group evidence and show how things are related to one anotherJan 30 17:52
joseyes, a wiki can really offload work from you so that it can get done faster (no central chokepoint)Jan 30 17:52
schestowitzWhen I started BN Shane and I started with 0Jan 30 17:52
MinceRhttp://www.penny-arcade.com...Jan 30 17:52
schestowitzWhen the site was accommodated with like 5500 posts it got easy to find 'proof' for anything (mainly extremal refs in internal 'umbrellas'). A lot of merely cumulativeJan 30 17:53
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/ind...Jan 30 18:03
trmanco:OJan 30 18:08
trmanco450 new messages in COLAJan 30 18:08
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trmancolets see how many I will have after I apply the filtersJan 30 18:08
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trmanco333Jan 30 18:09
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trmancoI might of missed a new troll or somethingJan 30 18:24
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schestowitzThis might make the front page: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mic...Jan 30 18:36
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php... "You're not the only one to have seen this. Every time Microsoft is in some form of trouble (financial, legal, competitive, etc.), the astroturfers slither out of the woodwork."Jan 30 18:54
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