| schestowitz | [H]omer: I could burn a CD and give it a spin, but it's not a priority | Feb 04 00:00 |
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| [H]omer | SourceForge is the same | Feb 04 00:00 |
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| [H]omer | OK | Feb 04 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Yuck. | Feb 04 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | The whole Linux.com//./NewForce thing is a whorehouse for MS because they don't even try to block it | Feb 04 00:00 |
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| [H]omer | Yeah SF = "Sellout F**kers" :) | Feb 04 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | SF awards - sponsored by Microsoft, promoting VS2008 | Feb 04 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Show me the MONEY! Money!!!" | Feb 04 00:01 |
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| [H]omer | bleah | Feb 04 00:01 |
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| [H]omer | Show me da bribes! | Feb 04 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | They have ways to beatify it too | Feb 04 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | eWeek/SJVN too.. | Feb 04 00:01 |
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| mib_7jblp6 | hello :) | Feb 04 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | "yeah... but we 'hurt' Microsoft... we make money from them" | Feb 04 00:02 |
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| [H]omer | I'd dearly /love/ MS to try to bribe me with a laptop. I'd rip them to shreds. | Feb 04 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | Errr... well to promote their products | Feb 04 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | If Microsoft pays from it, then it means it gains from it | Feb 04 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | *for | Feb 04 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, mib_7jblp6 | Feb 04 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: they floated many bribes for Vista7 so far | Feb 04 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | I don't post these to COLA | Feb 04 00:03 |
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| mib_7jblp6 | sorry for my nick - computer makes me do that... :] | Feb 04 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | Latest example: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/01/andr... | Feb 04 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | This one is MAD: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/10/jo... | Feb 04 00:03 |
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| [H]omer | I try to document Microsoft's bribery wherever I find it, so TFTL | Feb 04 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | They get poor people now too..... give one laptop for 6000 hours of labour (shilling) | Feb 04 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | In the US ratio is different | Feb 04 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | They want wage slavery | Feb 04 00:04 |
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| [H]omer | Like Belkin | Feb 04 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Waggener et al must be thinking, "how many shillings/gifts" | Feb 04 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Like Belkin... 65cents/review | Feb 04 00:04 |
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| [H]omer | Yup | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| [H]omer | Or more | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | And the Turfts at COLA point at NeEgg reviews | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Just like Belkin | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Game the system,, then feed with links | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | "People love Vista" | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | [which people] | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | The W-E people.. they cost a fortune! | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Next: People LOVE Vista7 | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Proof? | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| [H]omer | "Analysts can be hired for $200/hour" ~ Microsoft | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Errr... | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | We'll manufacture some | Feb 04 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Professors: $200 checks per mention of MS tools | Feb 04 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Like the cigarettes companies back in the datys | Feb 04 00:06 |
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| [H]omer | New eXb0rks game: bribe reviewer with "schwag" | Feb 04 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Sending supermodels out to the streets smoking and posing | Feb 04 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Then the 'hard' follows their example and starts smoking | Feb 04 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: A San Jose writer (IIRC) was bribed with XBOx | Feb 04 00:07 |
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| [H]omer | Gate-crash Sony's PS3 launch with goons in a speedboat, jeering | Feb 04 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | he blasted MS | Feb 04 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | I don't remember how to easily find this | Feb 04 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | it's in BN somewhere | Feb 04 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | They have MS employees publishijng XBox games reviews too | Feb 04 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | Today: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_s... | Feb 04 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | "on leave from MSFT - I've often wondered how many Microsoft employees have been released on leave to get into other companies only to return to Microsoft with details for harming that other company. They have paid for partners to subvert ISO processes, they have assigned a dozen or so employees just to one reporter to ensure that reporter get Microsoft's story told Microsoft's way. " | Feb 04 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | "I would trust a Microsoft employee as far as I could throw them. They have been that bad in the past and present. " | Feb 04 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | See gates in Comes exhibits.. he requests "evangelism" (probably a reference to James P. and his army of TEs) | Feb 04 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/busin... ". Some come with less-than-friendly operating systems, such as Linux" | Feb 04 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | I bet they never tried it | Feb 04 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | They'll say, "we read in the trade journals that Linux is 'hard'" (maybe some IDC 'study') | Feb 04 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Egan on Vole yesterday: "A PUBLISHER of CIO arse-covering studies, Forrester Research" http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/... | Feb 04 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | IDC/trade journals (IDG) = " arse-covering studies" for bad reporting without any hand-on experience with talked-about product | Feb 04 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | *hands | Feb 04 00:12 |
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| *mib_7jblp6 is now known as o_o | Feb 04 00:14 |
| *o_o is now known as Guest16503 | Feb 04 00:15 |
| *Guest16503 is now known as b_d | Feb 04 00:16 |
| *b_d is now known as DEADBEEF | Feb 04 00:24 |
| *DEADBEEF is now known as foobeaf | Feb 04 00:24 |
| schestowitz | http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2008/12/03/n... Net Applications is bunk. Please don't cite them blindly. | Feb 04 00:33 |
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| [H]omer | "DEADBEEF": I wonder how many ppl still get that reference :) | Feb 04 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | Mozilla? | Feb 04 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | 0xdeadbeef | Feb 04 00:34 |
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| [H]omer | "0xDEADBEEF ("dead beef") is used by IBM RS/6000 systems, Mac OS on 32-bit PowerPC processors and the Commodore Amiga as a magic debug value. On Sun Microsystems' Solaris, marks freed kernel memory. On OpenVMS, running on Alpha processes DEAD_BEEF can be seen by pressing CTRL-T." ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexspeak | Feb 04 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | Mac fan vs Freedom s/w: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-101554... | Feb 04 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | Chris Blizzard: http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/ | Feb 04 00:37 |
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| foobeaf | foobeaf is cool, too :) | Feb 04 00:38 |
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| [H]omer | Justin Frankel of WinAMP fame used to have a blog (.plan) called deadbeef, IIRC. | Feb 04 00:38 |
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| [H]omer | Wait, I;ll find the link | Feb 04 00:39 |
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| [H]omer | http://www.1014.org/finger.phtml?skip=0 | Feb 04 00:40 |
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| [H]omer | Still active | Feb 04 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | The VOle hasn't killed winamp yet? | Feb 04 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | I used Winamp in 1997, IIRC. | Feb 04 00:41 |
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| [H]omer | I used to have an article on another site about the whole story | Feb 04 00:42 |
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| [H]omer | I have a local backup - here it is | Feb 04 00:42 |
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| foobeaf | by the way, I am not native english speaker (writher too), sorry for my errors | Feb 04 00:43 |
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| foobeaf | :) | Feb 04 00:43 |
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| [H]omer | Nullsoft Founder Switches To Linux | Feb 04 00:43 |
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| [H]omer | Wednesday 26th May 2004 | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | /home/deadbeef/.plan: May 4, 2004 - "For a long time I've been contemplating (and discussing with friends) moving all of my software development over to open platforms. It's something I really want to do, but unfortunately I haven't yet been able to bring myself to it. Partly because I know win32 so well, and partly because a lot of the apps I'm used to using aren't available on other platforms. And the other part is that the userb | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | ases are so much smaller, and while I don't really care about the commercial implications of that, it does mean I can't take shit over to friends' houses and try it out (though maybe Knoppix is a good way to mitigate around that). But I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to ready. It just seems like the right thing to be doing, especially given the way win32 is headed." | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | The History, And The Future | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | Some say it was inevitable, but recent entries in Justin Frankel's .plan confirm that he's gradually making the move away from Windows, and towards OSS and GNU/Linux. | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: I think I saw that before. | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | For those who haven't been following the development of Nullsoft and Winamp, here's a summary: | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | Frankel was an archetypal anti-establishment drop-out, with whizz-kid potential, who went on to do things "his own way". After emerging from a larval stage of discovery, based on old-school style hacking, he went on to create (what is arguably) the most famous Media Player in the world, Winamp. The company Frankel founded to distribute this software, Nullsoft, was subsequently (and predictably) subject to takeover by none other tha | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | n that industry giant AOL. Frankel would, most likely, use a less complementary description. | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | AOL got more than they bargained for, however, since Frankel's outlook was not compatible with AOL's corporate strategy, as they quickly discovered. Tensions increased between the mismatched partners, and came to a head with the release of Gnutella, the world's first (widely available) decentralised P2P file sharing software, which Frankel touted as a solution to the (legally untenable) centralised server based Napster. With AOL's | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | plans to merge with another industry giant, media company Time Warner, the development and distribution of P2P software was in direct opposition to their goals, and they demanded Frankel remove the offending software. As you can imagine, Frankel was not happy, however the deed was done, the word (and the code) was spread, and the rest is history. | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | foobeaf: welcome. Error are not an issue; it's about ideas | Feb 04 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | Under AOL's direction, the once streamlined, efficient and powerful media player, Winamp 2.x, became the hideously bloated and unstable monster, Winamp 3.x. In fact, users' antipathy towards Winamp 3 was so strong, that a new 2.9 version (based on the older 2.x code) was released to appease them. | Feb 04 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | Undeterred, Frankel continued development towards version 5 (using the v2.x code as a starting point, but integrating the more useful features of v3.x), which was finally released in December 2003. It was to be his swansong with AOL. Having achieved all he set out (or as much as he was willing) to do with Winamp, in January 2004 he resigned from (what is now) AOL Time Warner, the company that had so vigorously stifled his creativit | Feb 04 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | y. | Feb 04 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | Multimedia software is one of the few remaining weak areas of GNU/Linux, but the arrival of one of the industry's most talented multimedia developers could begin to change all that. However, Frankel is still in the early stages of transition, so we might still have to wait a while longer. | Feb 04 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | With an impressive portfolio that includes such titles as Winamp, SHOUTcast, Gnutella and WASTE, Frankel would bring a special talent (if not the actual original software) to the OSS community; quite an exciting prospect. | Feb 04 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | Our enthusiasm for the addition of such a potentially valuable contributer to GNU/Linux is only matched by his own, as he states in a later .plan entry, "Anyway, it's all exciting for me, and addicting. mmm." | Feb 04 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | I'm sure Frankel will quickly discover, that the OSS environment is much more conducive to creativity than the oppressive regime at AOL Time Warner, in fact we may well see his best work yet. | Feb 04 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | Interesting times indeed. | Feb 04 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | [end] | Feb 04 00:45 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 04 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/John_Carmack | Feb 04 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | "Carmack works to promote elements of open source thinking and fan feedback in his game designs. When the source code to Quake was stolen and circulated among the Quake community underground, a programmer unaffiliated with id Software used it to port Quake to Linux, and subsequently sent the patches to Carmack. Instead of pursuing legal action, at Carmack's behest id Software used the patches as the foundation for a company-sanctio | Feb 04 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | ned Linux port." | Feb 04 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | I think it used to run on OS/2 | Feb 04 00:46 |
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| MinceR | gn | Feb 04 00:47 |
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| foobeaf | schestowitz: thanks :] | Feb 04 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | But the Gangsters came to 'clean up': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0bSubwYn10 | Feb 04 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | Wait; Wrong video. | Feb 04 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | This one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN0K58EfJSg | Feb 04 00:48 |
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| foobeaf | Carmack is my private god of some sort... | Feb 04 00:48 |
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| foobeaf | I love Q3... | Feb 04 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | I played 1 and 2 | Feb 04 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | I don't like the game's theme | Feb 04 00:49 |
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| foobeaf | how old You are? :) | Feb 04 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | 27 | Feb 04 00:49 |
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| foobeaf | I'm 31 | Feb 04 00:49 |
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| foobeaf | I am making robots | Feb 04 00:49 |
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| Ziggyfish | fuck i'm good | Feb 04 00:50 |
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| foobeaf | (I should be ...) right now... | Feb 04 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | Ziggyfish: you ought to complete that statment | Feb 04 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | *ement. PetoKraus does the same sometimes | Feb 04 00:51 |
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| [H]omer | foobeaf, the quake series rocks! It combines all the best elements of gameplay, aesthetics, and even Freedom (the engines are OSS licensed). | Feb 04 00:51 |
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| Ziggyfish | Just got something to work which took me two hours to do | Feb 04 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | Tell Hadron Quake | Feb 04 00:51 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: yes, yes, yes {place: inv. loop} | Feb 04 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | He's one of the orcs that grunt | Feb 04 00:52 |
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| [H]omer | Roy, Ziggy - I beat you both by 10 years (is that good or bad?) Dunno. | Feb 04 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: I don't care. The world enters a bad period either way | Feb 04 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | Our grandparents/parents are luckier | Feb 04 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | They leave at better times, I reckon. | Feb 04 00:53 |
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| foobeaf | schestpwitz: don't be so pesimistic, please :) | Feb 04 00:53 |
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| Ziggyfish | [H]omer, do you mean by age? | Feb 04 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | foobeaf: maybe. | Feb 04 00:53 |
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| balzac | hello | Feb 04 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | foobeaf: I don't complain, I just assess based on what happens. We not have a far more destructive civilisation that consumes more than that it can clean up and builds nukes. | Feb 04 00:54 |
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| balzac | Roy, I saw your question regarding web hosting | Feb 04 00:54 |
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| balzac | I have a suggestion: Slicehost.com | Feb 04 00:55 |
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| foobeaf | I'm from former "east europe" now I'm EU citizen - I must be optimistic person :D | Feb 04 00:55 |
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| schestowitz | Vis-a-vis: http://www.pcworld.com/article/158790/us_or... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/772/... yay! Nukes power by Linux | Feb 04 00:55 |
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| schestowitz | *powered | Feb 04 00:55 |
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| [H]omer | Bear in mind what I just posted about Justin Frankel, then read this: "Songbird is a free-software media player and web browser developed as open source by a group known as Pioneers of the Inevitable (with members who previously developed for both Winamp" ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songbird_(software) | Feb 04 00:55 |
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| [H]omer | Ziggyfish, yes age | Feb 04 00:55 |
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| [H]omer | :) | Feb 04 00:55 |
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| [H]omer | Frankel is not one of them, AFAIK | Feb 04 00:56 |
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| [H]omer | Even still | Feb 04 00:56 |
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| Ziggyfish | well good, I'm only 22, of course you would beat me | Feb 04 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | He ran way from DRM hell? | Feb 04 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | Vista degrades sound quality | Feb 04 00:56 |
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| balzac | roy - slicehost.com | Feb 04 00:58 |
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| foobeaf | schestowitz: what time is now in US? | Feb 04 00:58 |
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| foobeaf | I mean in Your place :D | Feb 04 00:58 |
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| balzac | gitcha a "slice" | Feb 04 00:58 |
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| balzac | tell em I sent you | Feb 04 00:58 |
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| balzac | what's the topic in here tonight? | Feb 04 00:59 |
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| [H]omer | foobeaf, Roy's in Manchester (UK), I'm in Scotland. The time is 01:04 AM GMT | Feb 04 00:59 |
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| *foobeaf should probably go to sleep... | Feb 04 00:59 |
| schestowitz | balzac: thanks. | Feb 04 01:00 |
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| [H]omer | part-timer :) | Feb 04 01:00 |
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| foobeaf | I'm in Poland | Feb 04 01:00 |
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| [H]omer | ah | Feb 04 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: Shane will work this out | Feb 04 01:00 |
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| [H]omer | How's the weather in Poland? | Feb 04 01:00 |
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| [H]omer | Snow, I bet | Feb 04 01:00 |
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| balzac | snow in NYC | Feb 04 01:00 |
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| foobeaf | cold, messy boy I hate the weather in here! ;-) | Feb 04 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | sudo xsnow | Feb 04 01:01 |
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| [H]omer | no need, I have the real thing here | Feb 04 01:01 |
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| [H]omer | damn it's cold | Feb 04 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | Our has thawed. | Feb 04 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | *ours | Feb 04 01:01 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: boy was not to You, should be "...messy, boy..." | Feb 04 01:02 |
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| [H]omer | Yeah, once u cross the border it's like going to hte Med | Feb 04 01:02 |
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| [H]omer | foobeaf, yeah I got it @) | Feb 04 01:02 |
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| [H]omer | I think I invented a new smiley | Feb 04 01:02 |
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| foobeaf | :) | Feb 04 01:02 |
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| [H]omer | By accident | Feb 04 01:02 |
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| foobeaf | show me! | Feb 04 01:03 |
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| [H]omer | @) | Feb 04 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | De Icaza on XBox (new): http://tirania.org/blog/archiv... | Feb 04 01:03 |
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| foobeaf | wow | Feb 04 01:03 |
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| foobeaf | this dude needs some surgery.... | Feb 04 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/conten... "Now who is dipping his snout, Sam? I have no idea why you are always going out of your way to attack and misrepresent me, but, the habit is getting old. It's…" -- Bruce Byfield (in a tizzy) | Feb 04 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has a patent on smileys | Feb 04 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | Some russion guy has a trademark on ":-)" IIRC | Feb 04 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | *Russian | Feb 04 01:05 |
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| [H]omer | "For about a year I have been trying to find someone in the XBox360 division at Microsoft that we can talk to about bringing Mono to the XBox360" ~ Miguel de Icaza | Feb 04 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | Idiot | Feb 04 01:05 |
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| [H]omer | Well at least he can't infect the eXb0rks any further than it already is | Feb 04 01:05 |
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| [H]omer | So no harm there then | Feb 04 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | That's what Novell VPs keep 'busy' with | Feb 04 01:05 |
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| foobeaf | schestowitz: patents are just creations of mind, like source code... it's only illusion of mind... :D | Feb 04 01:05 |
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| [H]omer | Except of course Miguel's obsession with all things Vole-ish | Feb 04 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | Enabling the MS XBox... good. Let mono go up in flames (literally) with XBox360 | Feb 04 01:06 |
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| [H]omer | lol | Feb 04 01:06 |
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| [H]omer | How bad would it be if Mono ended up becoming a "baby killing monster" like XBox | Feb 04 01:06 |
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| [H]omer | Quite a thought | Feb 04 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://slated.org/microsoft_kills_baby Oh NOES :-oo Tah Mono!!! (oh! and that kid, too) | Feb 04 01:07 |
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| [H]omer | It wasn't just the /death/ that was outrageous, it was Microsoft's attitude | Feb 04 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | Monkeys first, then kids | Feb 04 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: yes, I know | Feb 04 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | It got worse. | Feb 04 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Hold on | Feb 04 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/15... | Feb 04 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | "Hush-hush on our crimes" | Feb 04 01:09 |
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| [H]omer | 'The family's "losses and damages, if any' ~ Microsoft's lawyers, speaking on behalf of Microsoft. | Feb 04 01:09 |
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| foobeaf | schestowitz: I have no words for this channel :D | Feb 04 01:09 |
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| [H]omer | The loss of a child in a fire started by Microsoft's /known/ faulty product, is "if any" | Feb 04 01:09 |
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| [H]omer | Sickening | Feb 04 01:10 |
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| [H]omer | and evil | Feb 04 01:10 |
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| [H]omer | How could anyone ever support such a company? | Feb 04 01:10 |
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| [H]omer | Just for /this/ reason | Feb 04 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | Wait.. | Feb 04 01:11 |
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| [H]omer | But there are thousands of other, equally good reasons | Feb 04 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | Xbox Developer Dead in Murder-Suicide < http://kotaku.com/5032443/xbox-developer-... > | Feb 04 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Last week another Microsoft employee jumped out out the 30th floor (Washington) | Feb 04 01:12 |
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| [H]omer | Yeah, I saw that one too | Feb 04 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | Another guy fell down the elevator shaft of Microsoft building | Feb 04 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | Another guy was murdered IIRC in the Redmond campus parking lot | Feb 04 01:13 |
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| [H]omer | It's endemic of Microsoft's inherent (mental) violence, and also shows in their ASA-banned advertising campaigns | Feb 04 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | And a kid who won a prestigious Gates/MS award murkered someone and went to jail | Feb 04 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | murdered | Feb 04 01:13 |
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| [H]omer | Of course the MS shills will now say "but what about Reiser?" | Feb 04 01:14 |
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| [H]omer | A single nutjob among tens of thousands of normal people. | Feb 04 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | Look at this: Microsoft looks for Xbox love from the ladies < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10154163-62.html > | Feb 04 01:14 |
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| [H]omer | Unlike Microsoft (all have the criminal/oppression mindset) | Feb 04 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | That's like Don & Mafia asking the local women to cook for them | Feb 04 01:15 |
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| [H]omer | lol | Feb 04 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | reiser was crazy before Linux | Feb 04 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | ask tessier__. He met him. | Feb 04 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | *ping* tessier__ | Feb 04 01:15 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: what is *normal* ?? *^_^* | Feb 04 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | Not diving into dumpsters for example | Feb 04 01:16 |
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| [H]omer | Well, not "murderers" is a good place to start | Feb 04 01:16 |
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| [H]omer | Not stealing code from dumpsters, then hypocritically defending the right to "own" knowledge "IP", for example | Feb 04 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft US patent #1: "A method for inserting human apparatus into disposal apparatus for purpose of duplication" | Feb 04 01:18 |
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| foobeaf | :) | Feb 04 01:18 |
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| [H]omer | Not threatening to "knife the baby", "cut off the air supply", "tilt Lotus into the death spiral", and "f**king kill Google", are other examples of "not normal" | Feb 04 01:18 |
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| foobeaf | You meas anal probe, Cartmans like? | Feb 04 01:19 |
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| [H]omer | double negative | Feb 04 01:19 |
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| [H]omer | You know what I mena | Feb 04 01:19 |
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| [H]omer | *mean | Feb 04 01:19 |
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| [H]omer | I got late-night dyslexia | Feb 04 01:19 |
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| [H]omer | :) | Feb 04 01:19 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: I am trying to write propelly couse I am a foreiner :) | Feb 04 01:20 |
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| foobeaf | *foreigner | Feb 04 01:20 |
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| foobeaf | (fcuk) | Feb 04 01:21 |
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| [H]omer | foobeaf, at least you have a good excuse :) | Feb 04 01:21 |
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| foobeaf | yea | Feb 04 01:21 |
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| *[H]omer is doing some research. brb. | Feb 04 01:21 |
| foobeaf | my spoken english is just a nightmare | Feb 04 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: you missed one | Feb 04 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/19/brad... | Feb 04 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | foobeaf: at least you speak more than one language. Many English-speaking people don;t. | Feb 04 01:24 |
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| foobeaf | schestowitz: I might be an idiot, I'm just beginning to link a picture on my right with Yours nickname :D | Feb 04 01:24 |
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| foobeaf | schestowitz: I am learning japanease and cheanese :) | Feb 04 01:25 |
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| foobeaf | learning myself :) | Feb 04 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | my ex g/f learned it too | Feb 04 01:26 |
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| foobeaf | cool :) | Feb 04 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | She dropped out of maths to do languages. Go figure.. | Feb 04 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | And Chinese would be her 4th language | Feb 04 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | Stallman can also do about 4 | Feb 04 01:27 |
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| foobeaf | Stallman is not a human beeing | Feb 04 01:28 |
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| [H]omer | Roy, and what was that other quote about "we should whack them" | Feb 04 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | English, Spanish, French and he claims to be capable of more. He aced his SATs (800+800) | Feb 04 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: that would be the Dell item | Feb 04 01:28 |
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| [H]omer | foobeaf, do you mean he's a *super*being ? | Feb 04 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find it, I posted it last wqeek | Feb 04 01:28 |
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| foobeaf | *being | Feb 04 01:28 |
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| [H]omer | schestowitz, yeah, that one | Feb 04 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/28... | Feb 04 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | It got a lot of attention | Feb 04 01:29 |
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| [H]omer | So let's list them all... | Feb 04 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | Downtimes lost us potential big front pagers | Feb 04 01:29 |
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| [H]omer | Microsoft??s Brad Silverberg: ??Cut Those F*ckers Off" | Feb 04 01:29 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: RMS is my priv. god of some sort, very imprtnt sort... :) | Feb 04 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: gates: where are we on this jihad? | Feb 04 01:30 |
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| [H]omer | Ballmer: "I'm going to F**king kill Google" | Feb 04 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/12/... | Feb 04 01:30 |
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| [H]omer | Ballmer: "Linux is a cancer" | Feb 04 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | Kempin: Hit OEMsharder with anti-Linux | Feb 04 01:30 |
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| foobeaf | Ballmer: ...developers, developers, developers... | Feb 04 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | Maritz: cut off air supply | Feb 04 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | Orlando Ayala is a Real Gangster | Feb 04 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | THe Gangesters are the ones getting promotions | Feb 04 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | Allchin: we should slughter Novell | Feb 04 01:31 |
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| [H]omer | Joachim Kempin, Microsoft: "I'm thinking of hitting the OEMs harder than in the past with anti-Linux. ... they should do a delicate dance" | Feb 04 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 04 01:31 |
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| foobeaf | so, how can I install my new game on my Vista? | Feb 04 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | Kempin here( full text): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/30... | Feb 04 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | I still have lots more to publish | Feb 04 01:32 |
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| foobeaf | LOL , just jokeing | Feb 04 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | foobeaf: "my vista?" | Feb 04 01:33 |
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| schestowitz | That's an oxymoron | Feb 04 01:33 |
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| schestowitz | You can't own it | Feb 04 01:33 |
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| foobeaf | LOL | Feb 04 01:33 |
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| [H]omer | Brad Silverburg, Microsoft: "I'd be glad to help tilt lotus into the death spiral," | Feb 04 01:33 |
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| schestowitz | You pay for a licence to rent it for a while | Feb 04 01:33 |
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| foobeaf | I pay for it it's my ? :D | Feb 04 01:33 |
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| foobeaf | I know, but it's cool to have a dream | Feb 04 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: Some quotes here: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08... | Feb 04 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | foobeaf: like you pay for land on the moon | Feb 04 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | foobeaf: or pay Myhrvoldsoft for 'protection' | Feb 04 01:34 |
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| foobeaf | If I would have Vista, I would don't let it "run" for me :) | Feb 04 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | It runs for Microsoft | Feb 04 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | It gives it for free even, or pays you to use it... just so that it has 100% market share and rivals die out | Feb 04 01:35 |
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| foobeaf | therefore I am using redhat eee fedora right now... | Feb 04 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | Remember Comes on "Evangelism" | Feb 04 01:35 |
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| [H]omer | Christopher Phillips, Microsoft: "Yes we're talking about knifing the baby." | Feb 04 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | You have to hammer until it's dead | Feb 04 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Coffin" reference there too | Feb 04 01:35 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: which exhibits #? | Feb 04 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't gotten there yes | Feb 04 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | *yet | Feb 04 01:36 |
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| [H]omer | http://news.cnet.com/Apple-Microsoft-w... | Feb 04 01:36 |
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| foobeaf | but what about the xenix thing? | Feb 04 01:36 |
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| [H]omer | http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/... | Feb 04 01:36 |
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| foobeaf | MS were using it anyway? | Feb 04 01:37 |
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| [H]omer | foobeaf, consider this: By (legally) using Vista, one is helping to fund gangsters. That alone is sufficient reason to not use it. | Feb 04 01:39 |
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| foobeaf | it's not cool, 100% :( | Feb 04 01:40 |
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| [H]omer | Even if one uses Vista /illegally/ ("Pirate" copy, gargh matey), one still helps spread the disease of Microsoft's "mindshare" | Feb 04 01:40 |
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| [H]omer | Either way ... it's bad | Feb 04 01:40 |
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| schestowitz | Spyware too | Feb 04 01:41 |
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| foobeaf | I am now trying to lern Plan 9 | Feb 04 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | They harvest info | Feb 04 01:41 |
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| [H]omer | Oh yes | Feb 04 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | Market intelligence etc (what programs are installed and so on) | Feb 04 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | They accuse Google of the same thing | Feb 04 01:41 |
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| [H]omer | http://slated.org/vista_is_worlds_... | Feb 04 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | “The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity.” --Andre Gide | Feb 04 01:42 |
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| [H]omer | foobeaf, does Plan 9 work on x86 hardware? | Feb 04 01:42 |
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| [H]omer | Do you run it now? | Feb 04 01:43 |
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| [H]omer | Any good? | Feb 04 01:43 |
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| foobeaf | I guess my robots will try to spy me, too ... | Feb 04 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | Criminal policing < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb... > | Feb 04 01:43 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: yes | Feb 04 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | LOL"When the police conduct a stop and search they have to fill out a form giving their reasons and hand a copy over to you. On mine they wrote that Mr Thomas appeared to be an "influential individual" – a quote I intend to use in future publicity – and had attempted to walk past the police with an "over-confident manner" – always a sure sign of criminal intent. Maybe I am wrong, perhaps there is a forensic linkage with havin | Feb 04 01:43 |
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| schestowitz | g an "over-confident manner" and criminality" | Feb 04 01:43 |
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| [H]omer | Good GOD | Feb 04 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | Some friends of mine were stopped at the train station for no reason | Feb 04 01:44 |
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| [H]omer | UK is now definitely a fascist society | Feb 04 01:44 |
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| [H]omer | no question | Feb 04 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | Body searching. I can't remember what the funny reason was, but one ended up later in a meeting or something. And he's just a British lad... sinegr. | Feb 04 01:44 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan... | Feb 04 01:44 |
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| [H]omer | And how about ACTA ... conducted in secret (why?) | Feb 04 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | ACTA=crime | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| [H]omer | foobeaf, thx | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | White collar nonetheless | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | But but.. | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | We live under terorr | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | Be afraid | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | It's emergency | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | Be scared | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | Accept whatever the police says | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | This is AN EMERGENCY | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | More like insurgency | Feb 04 01:45 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: Plan 9 in very addictive... | Feb 04 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | Re: acta "conducted in secret (why?)" ... because it's good for 'them', not for /you/... trust responsible adult, KID! | Feb 04 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | "them"=wealth holder | Feb 04 01:47 |
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| [H]omer | Plan 9 is published under the "Lucent Public License", which is incompatible with the GPL. Oh well. | Feb 04 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | Busines is a right, not a chance, remember? | Feb 04 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | I heard the same explanation as yours somewhere. They have franchises. | Feb 04 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | Fishing industry dead? | Feb 04 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | Go hat in hand (well, FLY) to Washington and hire some 'scientist' to blame a predatory fish... call it a national disaster and get bailout (i.e. public will send funds to your business so that the bonuses will come 'round) | Feb 04 01:48 |
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| schestowitz | NHS refusing to let patients opt out of Summary Care Record < http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?section... > | Feb 04 01:49 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/plan-nine.pl.html | Feb 04 01:50 |
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| foobeaf | on this site they write that's issue was with former version | Feb 04 01:50 |
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| foobeaf | (of Licence) | Feb 04 01:50 |
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| foobeaf | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/plan-nine.html | Feb 04 01:51 |
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| foobeaf | in english | Feb 04 01:51 |
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| [H]omer | foobeaf, Russian script-kiddie "invents" new OS which he claims is "better" than "functionally weaker system, such as Linux" ~ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/03/... | Feb 04 01:54 |
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| [H]omer | Yeah, OK | Feb 04 01:54 |
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| [H]omer | Whatever | Feb 04 01:54 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: "linux is obsolete" :D | Feb 04 01:54 |
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| [H]omer | foobeaf, re: Plan 9 - OK I read the page. I'm glad they sorted out the licensing issues | Feb 04 01:56 |
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| [H]omer | The Wikipedia entry needs updated | Feb 04 01:56 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: me too | Feb 04 01:56 |
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| foobeaf | [H]omer: I will using it in my firm... | Feb 04 01:57 |
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| foobeaf | my Significant other gives my "last warning" | Feb 04 01:58 |
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| [H]omer | for what? | Feb 04 01:58 |
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| foobeaf | I must kill my procesess here :D | Feb 04 01:58 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: make sure Jimmi ain't there. | Feb 04 01:58 |
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| [H]omer | Ah, time for bed? | Feb 04 01:58 |
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| foobeaf | "go to bed" yea | Feb 04 01:58 |
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| schestowitz | I heard edits were made to the ACPI article | Feb 04 01:59 |
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| [H]omer | schestowitz, I saw the new comments on the talk page :) | Feb 04 01:59 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Feb 04 01:59 |
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| [H]omer | hehe | Feb 04 01:59 |
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| foobeaf | guys I love this channel, hope to see You soon... ^_^ | Feb 04 01:59 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks :-) | Feb 04 01:59 |
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| [H]omer | Gnight foobeaf | Feb 04 01:59 |
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| schestowitz | I have good posts for tomorrow | Feb 04 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | No time to post them now | Feb 04 02:00 |
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| foobeaf | cool | Feb 04 02:00 |
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| foobeaf | CU next time | Feb 04 02:00 |
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| [H]omer | schestowitz, I'm off too. I have a couple of COLA posts to do, then bed | Feb 04 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | I'll go at 4 | Feb 04 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | Like yesterday | Feb 04 02:00 |
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| [H]omer | hardcore | Feb 04 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | I was waking up at worse times years ago | Feb 04 02:01 |
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| schestowitz | Flipped all the way around sometimes | Feb 04 02:01 |
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| [H]omer | bit of an insomniac myself too | Feb 04 02:01 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing like waking up and go out drinking | Feb 04 02:01 |
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| [H]omer | Stoodent days :) | Feb 04 02:01 |
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| schestowitz | Na.. post them.. | Feb 04 02:01 |
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| [H]omer | ANyway ... later | Feb 04 02:01 |
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| schestowitz | I finished my student days in 2005 | Feb 04 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | In technical terms, not official ones | Feb 04 02:02 |
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| foobeaf | bye! drinking maybe next time | Feb 04 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | Vista: Microsoft's biggest failure yet? < http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6196 > | Feb 04 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | A truly light-weight OS: Written in ASM, with GUI, networking and apps < http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6194 > | Feb 04 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | "Thank you 80,000 Followers ۩ Samfry Ltd 2009" < http://www.stephenfry.com/blog/20... > | Feb 04 02:29 |
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| oob | good afternoon | Feb 04 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, what's up? | Feb 04 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | I got some mails about the Waugh story | Feb 04 02:46 |
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| oob | hiya - not much, taking an easy day enjoying the sunshine | Feb 04 02:47 |
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| oob | did you now? i'm most interested in any further details | Feb 04 02:47 |
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| schestowitz | On Waugh? | Feb 04 02:51 |
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| oob | yes, absolutely | Feb 04 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Feb 04 02:52 |
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| schestowitz | "I saw this a long time back - nothing significant really. The Waughs are trying to make money off selling OLPC laptops to poor children." | Feb 04 02:52 |
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| schestowitz | So that's the plan I'm told | Feb 04 02:52 |
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| oob | okay | Feb 04 02:53 |
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| oob | smells like the stench of desperation | Feb 04 02:55 |
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| schestowitz | OLPC.. I don't know | Feb 04 02:56 |
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| schestowitz | But I wish them well. Honestly, I do. Jeff's wife is a nice person and I heard Jeff has become nicer too | Feb 04 02:57 |
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| schestowitz | Based on LCA2009 | Feb 04 02:57 |
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| oob | i don't share the sentiment. quisling fifth-columnists. | Feb 04 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | They did some good | Feb 04 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | Like the OSS surveys in AU | Feb 04 03:00 |
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| jose__ | schestowitz, just looked at your email reply. | Feb 04 03:01 |
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| jose__ | i had already rewritten it | Feb 04 03:01 |
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| jose__ | again | Feb 04 03:01 |
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| jose__ | this one is way to the point | Feb 04 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | Let's do it faster | Feb 04 03:01 |
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| jose__ | i skip details since i can go heavier on a part 2 | Feb 04 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | Just send me whatever. | Feb 04 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | As references, it would be handy to have all the comments from LT that touch on the subjject too. I'll append it at the bottom maybe? :-) | Feb 04 03:03 |
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| jose__ | i didn't realize you had replied.. i really thought it was too much. | Feb 04 03:03 |
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| jose__ | anyway, this new one is to the point. | Feb 04 03:03 |
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| jose__ | i intended to make a reference to one lt link (within part 1) | Feb 04 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | The Novell shills will complain if it just says "reader's article" without giving full name :-D | Feb 04 03:04 |
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| jose__ | Jose_X is not my full name? | Feb 04 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | Notice how to trolling backed off after they had been sort of exposed in one way or another | Feb 04 03:04 |
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| jose__ | :-) | Feb 04 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | I no longer wrestle with comments all day | Feb 04 03:04 |
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| schestowitz | Jose_X is recognised name | Feb 04 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | That's OPK | Feb 04 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Feb 04 03:05 |
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| jose__ | let me wait until tomorrow, but probably this last one i sent you will be the part 1. | Feb 04 03:06 |
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| jose__ | thing is i'm seeing stars | Feb 04 03:07 |
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| jose__ | i repeat over and over in drafts and I can't tell if i am making sense to an outsider. | Feb 04 03:07 |
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| oob | OSS surveys? I'm sure they were of a great deal of interest to the Waugh's friends in redmond and suspect that they may have been undertaken at microsoft's behest. | Feb 04 03:07 |
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| oob | http://pipka.org/blog/2007/04/10/microsof... | Feb 04 03:07 |
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