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schestowitzRugged Linux Server For Rural, Tropical Environment?  < http://ask.slashdot.org/article... >Apr 21 00:01
schestowitzSlashdot has been weird in recent yearsApr 21 00:01
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schestowitzIt's Linux-shy and it has Microsoft marketing people in itApr 21 00:01
schestowitz.In the community that isApr 21 00:01
DavidGerardthat IT WOrld article reads like it was computer generatedApr 21 00:01
DavidGerarda markov chain or somethingApr 21 00:01
DavidGerardthe microsoft astroturfers on slashdot are marvellous funApr 21 00:02
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DavidGerardthey're getting tired and desperate, wondering how long the marketing funding will hold out or if they're next in the layoffsApr 21 00:04
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DavidGerardbrb, kid to bedApr 21 00:04
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MinceRand if that wasn't enough /. has long ago been overrun by drooling crApple fanboysApr 21 00:06
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schestowitzMicrosoft makes less than $15 for each netbook Windows XP Home copy http://www.hexus.net/content/ite...Apr 21 00:07
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MinceRmy only question about the palm webos is: when will i be able to run native linux apps on it that have access to the gui and the phone hw?Apr 21 00:09
BalrogMinceR: no AFAIKApr 21 00:10
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MinceRgnApr 21 00:11
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schestowitzOoo got busy after the Sun/Oracle annnouncement. Hours later: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFO...Apr 21 00:13
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MinceRbut when are they going to fix the color handling bugs?Apr 21 00:14
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MinceRat least the font handling seems to be a little less shitty in ooo nowApr 21 00:16
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mib_05oei7 mib_45eu6f mib_ermi8h mib_ey0o48 mib_obw0n1 MinceR Apr 21 00:16
schestowitz3.1 is out soonApr 21 00:17
schestowitzAlso, this is supposed to have some nice antialiasing bitsApr 21 00:17
mib_05oei7 mib_45eu6f mib_ermi8h mib_ey0o48 mib_obw0n1 MinceR Apr 21 00:17
balzachttp://www.cracked.com/blog/billy-bo...Apr 21 00:18
balzacbilly bob's canada interview is hilarious, expecially with the sub-titlesApr 21 00:18
schestowitzWhat If Vista 7 Starter Isn't Meant to Just Stop Linux on Netbooks?  < http://ostatic.com/blog/what-if-windows... >Apr 21 00:18
MinceRwriter seems to handle colors correctly, but calc still ignores background colorsApr 21 00:18
mib_05oei7 mib_45eu6f mib_ermi8h mib_ey0o48 mib_obw0n1 MinceR Apr 21 00:19
schestowitzMinceR: tell Oracle to fix itApr 21 00:19
MinceRi'm on 2.4Apr 21 00:19
MinceR:)Apr 21 00:19
schestowitz /s/tell/beg/Apr 21 00:19
MinceRi'll get the message to them by choosing to use gnome office insteadApr 21 00:19
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_Hicham_Hi Roy!Apr 21 00:21
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schestowitzHey, what's up?Apr 21 00:23
_Hicham_nothingApr 21 00:24
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_Hicham_a friend asked me last night to fix his webcam driver on VistaApr 21 00:24
_Hicham_but it is very problematicApr 21 00:24
schestowitzhehe. New: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Apr 21 00:25
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schestowitz_Hicham_: the friend, the Vista, or the webcam?Apr 21 00:25
balzachttp://www.fsdaily.com/HighEnd/Intel_w...Apr 21 00:25
balzacI wonder what oiahm would say about that ^^^Apr 21 00:25
_Hicham_schestowitz : Vista and the WebcamApr 21 00:26
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schestowitz_Hicham_: why did the friend use Vista? :-)Apr 21 00:28
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_Hicham_schestowitz : it was preinstalled of courseApr 21 00:28
schestowitzSo the OEM is a problem tooApr 21 00:28
schestowitzA liability if you likeApr 21 00:28
DavidGerardwhat's the value proposition for ICC? why do intel not free it up and therefore sell more intel CPUs?Apr 21 00:28
schestowitzPart of the racketeering loopholeApr 21 00:28
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DavidGerardsun hasn't freed up forte either, but they have expressly declared that gcc compatiblility is neededApr 21 00:29
_Hicham_schestowitz : Vista locks people into itApr 21 00:29
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DavidGerardi.e. you can link forte modules to gcc modules for C in Solaris 10, and they aim for you to be able to link C++ in Solaris 11Apr 21 00:30
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DavidGerardthus ending one of the great pains in a solaris admin's life: stuff compiled with one compiler that won't work properly with stuff compiled with the other one, e.g. the operating systemApr 21 00:30
DavidGerardi suppose that's driven by minimising sysadmin pain, which is how sun makes friendsApr 21 00:30
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DavidGerardon a different topic, the ad on this mibbit window is: "Win Primark - Win a thousand pound Primark voucher! Free competition."Apr 21 00:33
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DavidGerardi'm trying and failing to picture anyone buying €£1000 of primark in one go.Apr 21 00:33
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schestowitzLOLApr 21 00:34
schestowitzPrimarkApr 21 00:34
schestowitzMore like €£1Apr 21 00:35
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schestowitzSo you can buy 1000 tshirtsApr 21 00:35
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schestowitzby Dave Rosenberg forgot to include Novell in this list? http://news.cnet.com/8301-138...Apr 21 00:40
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_Hicham_schestowitz : congratulations for the new wiki styleApr 21 00:44
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ushimitsudoki1schestowitz: the original article referenced by Rosenberg is more interesting, but not much about software. AIG isn't going anywhere, it just intends to change names ala Gator -> Claria. I heard an intersting tidbit about it on a NPR radio show, which it why it caught my eye hereApr 21 00:47
schestowitzHaliburton changed names tooApr 21 00:48
schestowitz_Hicham_: thanks. The Wiki needs your helpApr 21 00:48
ushimitsudoki1Sadly, changing names is usually quite effectiveApr 21 00:48
schestowitzOpen an account, swat typos, add pages, anything you see suitableApr 21 00:48
schestowitzushimitsudoki1: it isApr 21 00:48
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schestowitzgnApr 21 00:57
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balzacWho thinks Sun would be doing better now if they'd released the Solaris kernel under GPLv3?Apr 21 01:00
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ushimitsudoki1balzac: we as a society would be doing better. it looks like it doesn't really matter for Sun anymore now, though, I'd say.Apr 21 01:01
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balzacwell, that's what can happen to companies which don't see the opportunity in embracing the gold standard of free software and open source software licensesApr 21 01:06
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balzacSun made Solaris irrelevant with the CDDLApr 21 01:06
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oiaohmOk any particular reason why boycott novell now goes to wiki schestowitzApr 21 01:07
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balzacWe'll see if Larry Ellison and his giant yacht will be smarterApr 21 01:07
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balzachttp://www.fsdaily.com/HighEnd/Intel...Apr 21 01:07
DavidGerardi wonder if oracle will continue with btrfs, will make zfs suitable for linux or bothApr 21 01:08
oiaohmOracle coder working on btrfs does not particularly like zfsApr 21 01:08
DavidGerardschestowitz: you may want to take an archival copy of that tomboy blog post. it's getting quite a lot of flame comments.Apr 21 01:08
balzacoiaohm: what do you think of the intel GCC news?Apr 21 01:08
oiaohmIntel going into gcc is a clean up crew.Apr 21 01:08
balzacschestowitz went offlineApr 21 01:08
oiaohmBit like intel going into X.orgApr 21 01:09
balzacoiaohm: do not doubt the power of GNUApr 21 01:09
balzacI told you didn't I?Apr 21 01:09
oiaohmResults are going to be intresting.  The personal going in have years of complier development skills.Apr 21 01:09
oiaohmGcc is crap.Apr 21 01:09
oiaohmIt needs all the help it can get.Apr 21 01:10
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balzacOpen Sourcers will bow to the hairy-side of the forceApr 21 01:10
oiaohmIntel will respect gcc licence.Apr 21 01:10
oiaohmIntel has many good reasons to go in there.Apr 21 01:10
balzacYou cannot imagine the POWAH of GAH-NOOApr 21 01:11
oiaohmgcc produced binarys are slow performing things.  So when atom processors and the like are benched marked on Linux they don't look as good as they could.Apr 21 01:11
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balzacrespect is dueApr 21 01:11
oiaohmIntell Icc complier also barely sells.Apr 21 01:11
oiaohmpgroup out sells intel in the complier world.Apr 21 01:12
balzacGNU means BiznassApr 21 01:12
oiaohmWe might see intel give up making there own complier.Apr 21 01:12
oiaohmDo you know the faults of gcc balzacApr 21 01:12
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oiaohmIts founded on a stack of flawed ideas.Apr 21 01:13
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oiaohmLack of link time optimisation makes gcc bloated and slow.Apr 21 01:13
oiaohmLack of formal internal design followed makes gcc source code messy.Apr 21 01:14
oiaohmBasically gcc has the same problems X.org has.Apr 21 01:14
oiaohmThere is nothing wrong with being open source but that is still no justification to poor project management.Apr 21 01:14
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balzacoiaohm: looks like GCC has some juiceApr 21 01:16
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balzacoiaohm: you're aware that almost every free software project starts technologically inferior to proprietary alternatives, right?Apr 21 01:17
mib_cdqu1oorganic growthApr 21 01:18
balzacnot all, but quite a lot - they start small, but by the strength of that GNU license, they rise up to the challenge of their rivalApr 21 01:18
balzacwinning the fight for survivalApr 21 01:18
mib_cdqu1onatural - evolutionary cs. designApr 21 01:18
mib_cdqu1ovs.Apr 21 01:18
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balzacThe strength of the Linux Kernel project was and remains the GNU licenseApr 21 01:19
mib_cdqu1oMore a snow ball effectApr 21 01:19
mib_cdqu1oor a black holeApr 21 01:19
mib_cdqu1osoftware gravitation.Apr 21 01:19
balzacmib_cdqu1o: you've got itApr 21 01:19
balzacit's the center of gravity which develops with a strong license which protects the code contributors from getting taken for a rideApr 21 01:20
mib_cdqu1ousing, administration and development. no clear divideApr 21 01:20
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balzacAs one tech writer puts it, the "disruptive technology" of GNU/Linux is GNUApr 21 01:20
mib_cdqu1oYou want the pictures from your camera, so you hack an existing driver and publish your research ecc.Apr 21 01:21
mib_cdqu1oNo incentive in disclosureApr 21 01:21
mib_cdqu1oin non-disclosureApr 21 01:21
oiaohmLinux is evolution.Apr 21 01:21
oiaohmLinux kernel is not as big as mess as gcc has got in places.Apr 21 01:21
mib_cdqu1oyou cannot kill development except with patents.Apr 21 01:22
oiaohmevolution without some form of natural seletion is not good.Apr 21 01:22
mib_cdqu1oinvisible handApr 21 01:22
oiaohmGcc for years was ok you want to port do what you want to it.Apr 21 01:22
oiaohmDon't care that it breaks the cross complier supportApr 21 01:23
mib_cdqu1ogood core and vital community.Apr 21 01:23
_boo_it's not documented properly, oiaohmApr 21 01:23
balzacoiaohm: why don't you just take a moment to feel the disturbance in the forceApr 21 01:23
oiaohmDon't care that you are only surface is wrong.Apr 21 01:23
balzacfeel the gnu power, the hairy side of the forceApr 21 01:23
oiaohmDifference between Linux and Gcc is a good maintainer.Apr 21 01:23
oiaohmLot of open source projects forgot the importance of the maintainer.Apr 21 01:24
oiaohmThe door keeper of quality.Apr 21 01:24
balzacare you throwing your name in the hat?Apr 21 01:24
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oiaohmMaintainer is a very specialised skill set.Apr 21 01:25
oiaohmI am too blut to be a good Maintainer.Apr 21 01:25
balzacblut you areApr 21 01:25
mib_0b4embthe maintainer is also responsible for all code & bug-fixes to said appApr 21 01:25
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oiaohmMain job of a good maintainer is not really doing the coding.Apr 21 01:26
oiaohmFor the large projects.Apr 21 01:26
oiaohmIts more management.Apr 21 01:26
mib_0b4embyes, the maintainer should get more recognitionApr 21 01:26
oiaohmMaking sure patch quality is there.Apr 21 01:26
oiaohmMaking sure bugs are allocated to developers.Apr 21 01:27
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oiaohmMaking sure documentation gets made.Apr 21 01:27
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mib_0b4embi would still like to see roy put up a BN forumApr 21 01:28
oiaohmFor good mainatiners most of the time one the project gets big they don't have time to write code.Apr 21 01:28
mib_cdqu1oMicrosoft reinvents the "Commons": http://seattletimes.nwsource.co...Apr 21 01:28
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balzacgood nightApr 21 01:29
mib_y46t88OpenSuse is best avoid then?Apr 21 01:29
mib_cdqu1ohttp://www.englishbreakfastnetwo...Apr 21 01:29
balzacyes, avoid itApr 21 01:29
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mib_cdqu1ocome onApr 21 01:29
mib_cdqu1oOpen Suse is fine because it will survive Novell.Apr 21 01:30
oiaohmThe other thing is the importances of those maintainers being paid full time to do it.Apr 21 01:30
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mib_y46t88Like this quote"Many SUSE developers have already left the building." :)Apr 21 01:32
oiaohmI have watched projects over the years.  The projects with good quality maintainers payed full time have developed faster than ones without it.Apr 21 01:32
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mib_cdqu1oNovell systematically destroyed Suse which was by far the most consumer ready distributionApr 21 01:39
oiaohmMythApr 21 01:40
mib_cdqu1oI still believe that Gnome is a conspiracy.Apr 21 01:40
oiaohmMandriva/Mandrake was always equal to SuseApr 21 01:40
mib_cdqu1oOk, but Mandriva and Suse are in the same boatApr 21 01:40
oiaohmSuse was dieing before Novell took over.Apr 21 01:41
mib_cdqu1onoApr 21 01:41
oiaohmIt was.Apr 21 01:41
oiaohmMore people were using mandrake than it.Apr 21 01:41
mib_cdqu1o:-)Apr 21 01:41
mib_cdqu1oListen son...Apr 21 01:41
oiaohmNovell just speed it up.Apr 21 01:41
mib_cdqu1oThe consumer market doesn't commercially matter --yetApr 21 01:42
mib_cdqu1oWhat counts is servers.Apr 21 01:42
oiaohmThen that is redhat.Apr 21 01:42
mib_cdqu1oRedHat totally disengaged from the consumer marketApr 21 01:42
oiaohmAgain redhat was also kicking suse tail before Novell took over.Apr 21 01:42
mib_cdqu1oSuse was THE kde distributionApr 21 01:42
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oiaohmI know the history of Suse well.Apr 21 01:43
mib_cdqu1oand the Desktop leader at Novell becameApr 21 01:43
oiaohmNot really.Apr 21 01:43
mib_cdqu1othe anti-KDE technology trollApr 21 01:43
mib_cdqu1oeverything worked fineApr 21 01:43
oiaohmmandrake always had a KDE isntall mode.Apr 21 01:44
oiaohmProblem is I have been a KDE user for a Long time.Apr 21 01:44
mib_cdqu1oNovell added red carpetApr 21 01:44
oiaohmI barely have used Suse.Apr 21 01:44
mib_g4ogvzi'm not keen on mandrakeApr 21 01:44
mib_cdqu1oWhy?Apr 21 01:44
mib_cdqu1oBecause red carpet was developed by ximian.Apr 21 01:44
oiaohmNovell aquired red carpet.Apr 21 01:44
mib_cdqu1oSuse, the KDE distribution, with a loyal customer base.Apr 21 01:45
mib_cdqu1oNat and Icaza don't give a shit and standardise on Gnome.Apr 21 01:45
mib_cdqu1oBecause it is their technologyApr 21 01:45
mib_g4ogvzWhats red carpet?Apr 21 01:45
mib_cdqu1oThis was not a customer demandApr 21 01:45
oiaohmgnome installer mib_g4ogvzApr 21 01:45
mib_g4ogvzOK thanksApr 21 01:46
mib_cdqu1oA half-baked ximian technology that broke your installApr 21 01:46
mib_g4ogvzsounds like a Windows in-place upgrade!Apr 21 01:46
mib_g4ogvzthat always messes up...Apr 21 01:46
mib_cdqu1oXimian = we write and own a technology preview, spread it, and then let the infected payApr 21 01:46
oiaohmmib_g4ogvz: worse.Apr 21 01:46
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mib_cdqu1oOr: next exampleApr 21 01:47
oiaohmI agree the idea to change from KDE to Gnome was stupid.Apr 21 01:47
mib_cdqu1oIt was not stupid per se.Apr 21 01:48
oiaohmSuse was not the only distribution to make that mistake.Apr 21 01:48
mib_cdqu1oNovell made the mistake for SuseApr 21 01:48
oiaohmIt was stupid you users expect one thing change to something they don't expect and think you will keep market.Apr 21 01:48
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mib_cdqu1oThe whole gnome project is a divide et impera project.Apr 21 01:49
oiaohmI really wish Icaza would not have a following.Apr 21 01:49
oiaohmHe as causes lots and lots of problems.Apr 21 01:49
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mib_cdqu1oThe problem is that he does not abide to european quality standardsApr 21 01:50
mib_g4ogvzI was reading about Linspire here. That whole Linspire thing sounds so outdated now.Apr 21 01:50
mib_cdqu1oLindowsApr 21 01:50
mib_cdqu1oIt was announced as Lindows, then changed to Linspire.Apr 21 01:50
mib_cdqu1oQuestion: Where is the Linspire source code gone?Apr 21 01:50
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oiaohmAfter getting a big block of cash from MS to do that.Apr 21 01:50
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mib_g4ogvzYeah I mean things have matured now, there are many stable easy to use Linux OS now.Apr 21 01:51
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mib_cdqu1oSame with United Linux = Turbo, Connectiva, Suse etc standardise their platformApr 21 01:51
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mib_cdqu1oYes, and the problem of all the old distributions is rpm lock-in.Apr 21 01:52
mib_cdqu1oDo you know MoonOs?Apr 21 01:53
oiaohmLOLApr 21 01:53
oiaohmI don't call Linux desktop stable.Apr 21 01:53
mib_cdqu1oIt is just another Ubuntu derivateApr 21 01:53
oiaohmThey are many key things that have to happen first.Apr 21 01:53
mib_g4ogvzI'm listening.......Apr 21 01:53
oiaohmLinux imported X11 internally its was crap.Apr 21 01:53
mib_cdqu1oMore tests?Apr 21 01:54
oiaohmX.org driver subsystem rewrite has to complete.Apr 21 01:54
oiaohmLinux kernel is slowly getting on top of its locking issues.Apr 21 01:54
oiaohmand at some point the mess of the audio stack has to be taken on.Apr 21 01:55
mib_g4ogvzWhat are locking issues?Apr 21 01:55
oiaohmCauses system to pause when it should not mib_g4ogvzApr 21 01:55
mib_cdqu1oBut I find no problems with audio anymore.Apr 21 01:55
mib_g4ogvzOKApr 21 01:55
mib_cdqu1oAudio works out of the boxApr 21 01:55
oiaohmStick you nose in the source code of the audio driver stack.Apr 21 01:55
mib_cdqu1oexcept when they try somethign new.Apr 21 01:55
oiaohmIt needs work.Apr 21 01:55
oiaohmpulseaudio also need to go.Apr 21 01:56
oiaohmIts a extra layor with features that should be in the main driver level.Apr 21 01:56
mib_cdqu1oYou mean a CUPS for audioApr 21 01:56
oiaohmCUPS being userspace makes perfect sence.Apr 21 01:56
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oiaohmMost operations from cups is to userspace items.Apr 21 01:57
mib_cdqu1oWhat I wonder is why there is no hub for one issue that deals with it completelyApr 21 01:57
oiaohmX11 need to be fixed first.Apr 21 01:57
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mib_g4ogvzI agree if you mean there needs to be 1 co-ordinating body for development.Apr 21 01:58
oiaohmX11 like had a really major defect.  Single thread emulating multing threat a core.Apr 21 01:58
mib_cdqu1oSay one well funded project that is tasked to care about support for "all webcams"Apr 21 01:58
oiaohmSo tool kits like GTK were protecting X11 from it.Apr 21 01:58
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oiaohmInstead of fixing X11.Apr 21 01:58
oiaohmThis is the problem.Apr 21 01:58
oiaohmPeople have the dumb idea put another layer on top that will fix it.Apr 21 01:58
oiaohmDon't fix the core.Apr 21 01:59
mib_cdqu1oX.orgApr 21 01:59
oiaohmX.org alterations move sections into kernel space where they should have been.Apr 21 01:59
oiaohmSo fixing up threading issues.  Application accessing video card issues....Apr 21 01:59
mib_cdqu1oThe problem is when you have the hackish hardware support bazar with x projectsApr 21 02:00
oiaohmRunning a service means that you have to get cpu time to the service so you can process application requests.Apr 21 02:00
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oiaohmRunning the same feature in kernel.Apr 21 02:00
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oiaohmProcessing the request comes out of the applications time.Apr 21 02:00
mib_g4ogvzI think one body should take the role of co-ordinating what needs to be done, maybe FSF??Apr 21 02:00
oiaohmOne body is not required.Apr 21 02:00
oiaohmSimplely people stoping being stupid.Apr 21 02:01
oiaohmYou don't hack the tool kit level to fix a X11 problem.  Instead you should fix the soruce.Apr 21 02:01
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mib_g4ogvzThats being optimistic:)Apr 21 02:01
oiaohmYou don't fix X11 confliting with other applications by staying userspace.Apr 21 02:02
oiaohmThat has happend.Apr 21 02:02
mib_g4ogvzInteresting....Apr 21 02:02
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oiaohmWe need equal to happen in the audio section of Linux.Apr 21 02:02
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oiaohmthey have had years of making sound servers and they have not learnt yet it is not the solution.Apr 21 02:02
oiaohmX11 under the rebuild is more secure too.Apr 21 02:03
oiaohmIt no longer need to run as root.Apr 21 02:03
oiaohmSecuirty is another thing users are overlooking.Apr 21 02:04
mib_cdqu1ogurcoo syncronises some players but violates the coding sytels of bloo, Bla syncronises just your ipod, blbla is based on Funsung donated code but works with 50% of all fudzi players, blafoo is part of the KDE project, so Gnome develops its own solution, blopy makes python availableApr 21 02:04
oiaohmLinux Desktop has never been secure.Apr 21 02:04
mib_cdqu1oYou see what I meanApr 21 02:04
mib_cdqu1oHardware from the grounds up is bad.Apr 21 02:04
oiaohmKDE and Gnome are working more with each other these days.Apr 21 02:04
mib_cdqu1oYou would need one hacker group that works just on say MP3 playersApr 21 02:05
mib_g4ogvzYeah it's a sorry mess really. Now that you explain it. Just seems to work for me though...Apr 21 02:05
mib_cdqu1odoes all the bindingsApr 21 02:05
oiaohmNot really.  How many MP3 players are the for windows.Apr 21 02:05
mib_cdqu1obottom-up doesn't workApr 21 02:05
oiaohmLow level API's must work correctly.Apr 21 02:05
mib_cdqu1oCUPS is an example how the printer mess was solvedApr 21 02:05
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oiaohmCUPS is a lower level thing.Apr 21 02:06
oiaohmCUPS also does not really need kernel space.Apr 21 02:06
mib_cdqu1oIt was a project, there were 300 ways to print with 20 different drivers depending on the moon phaseApr 21 02:06
oiaohmNetwork connected printers you really would not run drivers in kernel space.Apr 21 02:06
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mib_g4ogvzLolApr 21 02:06
mib_cdqu1oI am speaking of pre 2001Apr 21 02:06
oiaohmI started using Linux in 1995Apr 21 02:07
oiaohmcups was dominate back then.Apr 21 02:07
mib_cdqu1oCUPS just solved itApr 21 02:07
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oiaohmProblem is audio guys use cups as an expample.Apr 21 02:07
oiaohmaudio is not printers.Apr 21 02:07
oiaohmMinor delays don't effect printers.Apr 21 02:08
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mib_cdqu1oAh!Apr 21 02:08
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mib_cdqu1oI seeApr 21 02:08
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mib_cdqu1oFrom a consumer perspective:Apr 21 02:08
mib_cdqu1odo I get sound at allApr 21 02:09
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mib_cdqu1oIf I cannot play the ogg file, what is the reasonApr 21 02:09
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oiaohmAnd why did the sound just click.Apr 21 02:09
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mib_cdqu1ocable?Apr 21 02:09
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oiaohmJust because I changed to a console.Apr 21 02:09
mib_cdqu1omy software player?Apr 21 02:09
mib_cdqu1omy kernel?Apr 21 02:09
mib_cdqu1omy settings?Apr 21 02:09
mib_cdqu1odo I have to install additional drivers?Apr 21 02:10
oiaohmhaving pulseaudio + alsa gives confusion.Apr 21 02:10
oiaohmCould be alsa it could be pulseApr 21 02:10
mib_cdqu1oUsers believe in running code = soundApr 21 02:10
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oiaohmcould be that pulse was not geting cpu time.Apr 21 02:10
oiaohmSo sound is badly laged.Apr 21 02:11
mib_cdqu1othey like a certain music player when it does play the mp3 fileApr 21 02:11
oiaohmBasically kernel is needed.  So sound processing comes of the application sending it processing time.Apr 21 02:11
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mib_cdqu1oand they think a player garbage if it does not play per defaultApr 21 02:11
oiaohmSound server is just trouble.Apr 21 02:11
mib_cdqu1oWith the risk of overengineeringApr 21 02:11
oiaohmExactly the same way X11 is.Apr 21 02:12
mib_cdqu1oof courseApr 21 02:12
mib_g4ogvzThanks 4 the info, heading 4 bed, goodnight.Apr 21 02:12
oiaohmFuture form of X11 will not have this problem.Apr 21 02:12
oiaohmApplications will be able to directly write to screen by passing the X11 server.Apr 21 02:12
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mib_cdqu1oOh, I did this with my VGA cardApr 21 02:13
oiaohmX11 server basically becomes 3 things remote sending, resource placement and configuration.Apr 21 02:13
mib_cdqu1oassemblerApr 21 02:13
mib_cdqu1owhile the Unix freaks had their X-ServerApr 21 02:13
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oiaohmAll Unix's are taking on the New X11 design.Apr 21 02:14
oiaohmUnix was not interested in desktop usage so X-server suxed.Apr 21 02:14
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mib_cdqu1oHow it it solved by Mac OS ?Apr 21 02:15
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mib_cdqu1oWhat you forget is that X servers provide for features today hardly anyone uses.Apr 21 02:17
oiaohmMac OS droped X11 completely.Apr 21 02:17
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oiaohmX server code resource management design is great.Apr 21 02:17
oiaohmEmbeded people have tried to design better for years.Apr 21 02:18
oiaohmEvery time they have returned to the X server design.Apr 21 02:18
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oiaohmSections of X server is good.Apr 21 02:18
oiaohmOk there is a lot of crap in there too mib_cdqu1oApr 21 02:18
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oiaohmwayland project is way smaller than current X11.   It contains most of the good design bits of X11.Apr 21 02:19
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Ziggyfishschestowitz, I do like the new home page, but just an idea, you should change the collors to suit the site betterApr 21 03:44
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Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
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Outreachy, GSoC-mentors & Debian-Private may soon become public records in federal court
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Links 28/02/2024: Many War Updates and Censorship
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Gemini Links 28/02/2024: Social Control Media Notifications and Gemini Protocol Extended
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Links 28/02/2024: Microsoft the Plagiarist is Projecting, Food Sector Adopts Surge Pricing
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Helping Microsoft 'Hijack' Developers (to Make Them Work for Microsoft, Not the Competition)
VS Code is proprietary spyware of Microsoft. Jack Wallen keeps promoting its use.
Gemini Links 28/02/2024: Groupthink and the 'Problem' With Linux
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Android Rising (Windows Down to All-Time Lows, Internationally)
This month was a bloodbath for Microsoft
HexChat Looks for Successors to Keep IRC Growing
IRC is far from dead
[Meme] Just Make Him Happy
Y U no produce more monopolies?
End of a Long February
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[Meme] The EPO's Relationship With Patent Examiners
Nobody is "safe"
New Pension Scheme (NPS) at the European Patent Office Explained at the General Assembly
Investing in the future, or...
Donald Trump & FSFE Matthias Kirschner election denial
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Over at Tux Machines...
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