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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 23rd, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:45 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


Enter the IRC channel now

pombat42 i look at it from the pov that i am using whatever my contract allows. if they change that i either accept it or move on Oct 23 00:00
pombat42 i think most user feel the same Oct 23 00:00
MinceR 020244 < pombat42> Mybe i am simplistic but i feel if you buy it you own it Oct 23 00:05
MinceR well, apple certainly doesn’t feel that way Oct 23 00:05
schestowitz Apple is much like Microsoft. There’s ownership and there’s /control/. Oct 23 00:10
schestowitz Apple and Microsoft give you none, but if you have h/w as part of the product, then you have partial ownership, not control. Free software always gives both control and ownership Oct 23 00:11
schestowitz Mahalo feels economic pressure, lays off 10 percent of staff: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10… Oct 23 00:47
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schestowitz Is Amazon censoring anti-DRM reviews? : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/22/amazo… Oct 23 09:17
schestowitz Dutch court convicts teens for stealing pixels : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/22/t… Oct 23 09:19
schestowitz No Mac-based UMPCs coming: Jobs: The IPhone Is Apple’s Netbook < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152641/… > Oct 23 09:26
schestowitz Windows botnets and the collapse: How cybercriminals profit from stock declines < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfg… > Oct 23 09:27
schestowitz Net patent could stifle standards effort : http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-984052.html Oct 23 09:45
schestowitz So this is where Bishop landed: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft Oct 23 09:46
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schestowitz Apple Netbook-clone spotted on Web?  : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-100732… Oct 23 10:19
MinceR r4wr Oct 23 10:19
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_Doug Linux on the IBM baby mainframe .. Oct 23 12:08
_Doug http://www.networkworld.com/news/20… Oct 23 12:08
_Doug I guess the SCO~1 case isn’t affecting their Linux business ? Oct 23 12:09
schestowitz SCO on mainframes? Oct 23 12:11
schestowitz Mainframes are an IBM business monopoly… Oct 23 12:11
schestowitz Why would IBM touch SCOX? Oct 23 12:11
schestowitz Cracking4Kids (Windows zombies galore): http://www.linuxworld.com.au/inde… Oct 23 12:14
schestowitz http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10… “Of course, terrorists and strangers preying on our children are two of the things that cause the most fear in people. Put them together, and there’s no limit to what sorts of laws you can get passed.” Oct 23 12:15
_Doug What OS did Cracking4Kids crack ? Oct 23 12:16
schestowitz The easy one. it has back doors ‘features’. Oct 23 12:16
schestowitz Mind you, Gartner and Microsoft have already admitted that they put back doors in Windows. Oct 23 12:16
_Doug “According to Levy, there was child pornography on Goldstein’s computer, but he was not charged in connection with this” Oct 23 12:17
_Doug plead guilty are we’ll do you for kiddie porn .. must have copped a plea .. Oct 23 12:17
schestowitz Yes, I saw that. Apprently that’s just minor [sic] Oct 23 12:17
schestowitz [pun], not [sic] Oct 23 12:18
schestowitz See the Schneier article in that context Oct 23 12:18
_Doug “Walker .. operated a large botnet network “ Oct 23 12:19
_Doug like .. who is responciple for enabling such botnets ? Oct 23 12:19
schestowitz “Documents Show Tobacco Industry Conspired Against Airline Smoking Ban” .. “An analysis of tobacco industry documents published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) tells how the German cigarette industry worked to stop Lufthansa, the flagship airline of Germany, from banning smoking on its domestic flights in the early 1990s. ” http://www.prwatch.org/node/7850 Oct 23 12:19
schestowitz RMS writes that they conspired to bring cigarette vending machines close to kids. Oct 23 12:20
schestowitz Bastards. Oct 23 12:20
_Doug botnet: a large aggregrate of compromised Windows desktop PCs .. Oct 23 12:20
schestowitz WFT? (Gnu): We’re Not Red, We’re Not Blue – We’re Gnu < http://www.pr.com/press-release/112481 > Oct 23 12:21
schestowitz _Doug: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/21/technolog… Oct 23 12:22
schestowitz The writer has an interesting story behind it. Apparently in some forum his name was used to threaten PJ, but it wasn’t really him… violent threats, IIRC. Oct 23 12:22
_Doug ‘interesting story’ what exactly .. got a url ? Oct 23 12:25
schestowitz What 4? Oct 23 12:26
_Doug how to eliminate botnets: disable the click-and-install feeture of Windows+Internet Explorer Oct 23 12:27
_Doug what 4: well you mentioned this, you peaked my curiosity Oct 23 12:27
schestowitz _Doug: you don’t need IE intervention. Oct 23 12:28
schestowitz You could grab Vista by just crafting a TCP/IP packet, for instance. Oct 23 12:28
_Doug Campana: There are a lot of very smart people doing very bad things” Oct 23 12:28
schestowitz _Doug: it’s from memory, can’t get URLs or E-mails without some extensive digging. Oct 23 12:29
_Doug No, just a bunch of script kiddies and the Windows API .. Oct 23 12:29
schestowitz Hah Oct 23 12:29
_Doug the root cause of the botnet infestation: Windows + Internet Explorer … Oct 23 12:29
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schestowitz Maybe they could use other means though. Oct 23 12:34
_Doug why bother, when it’s easier to use the most convienent .. Oct 23 12:36
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schestowitz Other browsers inherit similar problems (on Windows). Oct 23 12:47
_Doug well .. yea .. but IE has so many hooks .. or I should say parts of IE are so buried in the OS that a bug in IE is a lot more sevier that any other browser .. Oct 23 12:48
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schestowitz People still log in as Admin, right? Oct 23 12:56
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schestowitz Mac Users Soon to Enjoy the Sounds of Banshee < http://ostatic.com/175386-blog/mac-use… > Oct 23 13:08
schestowitz More Mono poison for the people. Oct 23 13:09
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-984052.html “Microsoft is in the process of applying for a wide-ranging patent that covers a variety of functions related to its .Net initiative.” Oct 23 13:09
neighborlee http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/linux/51/ , interesting page, liniked into from: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.ph… < directhex last post a few weeks ago here, of course mentions in a no mono thread that btw here is the latest version of mono LOL…what a swell person, whom on the former url I showed cleary seems to be talking M$ smack as if he ‘works’ there…to me anyway thats how it seems Oct 23 13:12
schestowitz The mono boosters mention directhex a lot. Oct 23 13:17
schestowitz What do you know about it/him/her? Oct 23 13:17
schestowitz I saw this page before, BTW. Oct 23 13:18
schestowitz There are some Microsoft people helping with Mono, mind you. Oct 23 13:18
twitter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banshee , ” The banshee,…usually seen as an omen of death….” Oct 23 13:18
schestowitz “About directhex Biography    Key member in the Microsoft conspiracy” Oct 23 13:19
schestowitz http://ubuntuforums.org/mem… Oct 23 13:19
schestowitz There’s a lot of this ‘joke’ kicking around in the Mono camp Oct 23 13:19
schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/10… “Following my post about RMS’s doubts about clouds, Stan D. Freeman has kindly pointed me towards the growing kerfuffle over iGoogle’s new format in the US, and how everyone is now redefining themselves as Brits (sounds a good move to me).” Oct 23 13:19
schestowitz http://www.osnews.com/user/di… Oct 23 13:21
neighborlee schestowitz, what I know for sure is that though they speak of  ‘fud’ bashers, when you see their parties own comments, the fud is ususally much worse…when they fear their position in   trouble they are the ones that usually resort to colorful adjectives Oct 23 13:24
neighborlee thats all thats left ;) Oct 23 13:25
neighborlee when their views are shown to be less than honorable , thas all they have left to throw out there, kinda like the current political campaign by someone whom I wont mention here, but you might know them ;) Oct 23 13:26
schestowitz I’d like to know more about the level (and ways) to which Microsoft helps Mono. Oct 23 13:27
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twitter The tobacco industry is nasty and aggressive.  The story of the “quit smoking” campaign is worse, used as a way to put ads in kids faces. Oct 23 13:27
neighborlee I think we know enough honestly..its just a matter of getting the word out sufficiently so everyone knows :) Oct 23 13:27
twitter you can’t get the word out if you don’t have it well documented Oct 23 13:28
schestowitz neighborlee: I need more evidence. Oct 23 13:28
schestowitz I know that cj is this channel is part of the Mono-ers and he’s a Microsoft consultant Oct 23 13:28
twitter BN has done a good job of collecting evidence and tying a lot of it together Oct 23 13:28
neighborlee same with beer, alcohol, yadda..its all the same ;) Oct 23 13:28
schestowitz I also know that Miguel works  quite closely with Microsoft. Oct 23 13:29
twitter people want it easy to digest too, they don’t have all day to read everything Oct 23 13:29
schestowitz They could be helping us drink the Apple juice that’s just poison. Oct 23 13:29
neighborlee such things are glamorized…alochol, game violence its all the same..glorified for the same of the pocketbooks of those whom produce it….same for some hollywood endeavors ;) Oct 23 13:29
neighborlee twitter, yup Oct 23 13:29
schestowitz Alcohol in films… always showing people that have a good time. Oct 23 13:30
neighborlee yes Oct 23 13:30
schestowitz There is a campaign in the UK which is helpful though. Oct 23 13:30
neighborlee and on billboards, commercials Oct 23 13:30
schestowitz It shows drunk people injuring and embarrasing themselves. Oct 23 13:31
schestowitz “Stop alcohol” means “alcohol is ‘bad’… but legal”… bad as in “bad boy”… as in “good” Oct 23 13:31
twitter out of sight is out of mind for those things, no advertising is better.  Self loathing is a significant component of alcoholism, those ads are aimed at drunks. Oct 23 13:34
schestowitz I dunno… for starters, the glorification of partying g with drinks should end… instead, consumption of alcohol can be ridiculed. Not that I don’t drink BTW. Oct 23 13:36
neighborlee heh Oct 23 13:41
neighborlee I do as well..but only ( unless out with friends, with these days is extremely rare, im too busy working and making non violent games ;)) Oct 23 13:41
neighborlee mosty I drink during supper, the typical 8 oz or less ( usualy less) which is supposedly good for our cardio ;) Oct 23 13:42
schestowitz http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/b… : I’ve often lamented how few schools in the UK use free software, and how difficult it is to break the lock that Microsoft has on the entire educational system. The pathetic state here is highlighted by contrast with Russia, which is making amazing strides in rolling out open source to schools. Oct 23 13:42
schestowitz neighborlee: that cardio fluff is disputed. Oct 23 13:43
neighborlee yes Oct 23 13:43
neighborlee italians do seeem to live a tad longer though so maybe not ;0-0 Oct 23 13:43
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch… Oct 23 13:44
schestowitz It’s like those surveys that say married man live longer Oct 23 13:44
schestowitz It’s reversing the logic for self-fulfilling prophecies Oct 23 13:44
schestowitz To say that a person who is not healthy is less likely to get married is more accurate then “if you get married, you live longer.” Oct 23 13:45
twitter Ha!  Don’t let the wife and kids drive you to drinking! Oct 23 13:45
schestowitz The same goes for similar studies about mormons with multiple wives. They just happen to be ‘heads of the herd’ Oct 23 13:45
neighborlee http://health.ninemsn.com.au/… Oct 23 13:46
schestowitz Alcohol: the legalised addictive drug. There must be historical reasons too. Oct 23 13:46
neighborlee Drinking red wine might help you live longer as well. How do we know? Italian scientists fed fish resveratrol and found the little swimmers lived up to 60 percent longer. < interesting ;)lol Oct 23 13:46
twitter that’s not wine Oct 23 13:47
schestowitz Wine advert as a ‘study’? Oct 23 13:47
schestowitz Who funded it? :-0 :-) Oct 23 13:47
schestowitz Watch what Lessig says about carb recommendations: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/netr… Oct 23 13:47
schestowitz Short story: the results were aggressively subverted by corruption, so people are being told lies by their government. Oct 23 13:48
schestowitz sudo apt-get install wine && wine; && die(); Oct 23 13:49
neighborlee http://www.universityofcalifornia… < this is probably a much better source ;) Oct 23 13:50
schestowitz California relies on wine sales. Oct 23 13:51
schestowitz Possibly funded. Oct 23 13:51
neighborlee The study was funded in part with grants from the National Institutes of Health National Research Service Award (NIH NRSA) and from the National Center for Research Resources of the National Institutes of Health for the General Clinical Research Center at UC San Diego. Oct 23 13:51
schestowitz “San Diego” Oct 23 13:52
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=… Oct 23 13:52
neighborlee http://www.cawinemall.com/region.shtml < this is how many wineries exist in California..so its not just SanDiego :) Oct 23 14:00
schestowitz What day exactly are the elections, but more importantly, when will the results come? Oct 23 14:00
neighborlee 11/4 Oct 23 14:00
schestowitz I’ll do some blog posts day beforehand. Oct 23 14:00
neighborlee trickling in now, as voters vote Oct 23 14:00
neighborlee mccain is losing badly atm,at least according to polls Oct 23 14:00
schestowitz Good. Oct 23 14:00
neighborlee judging by his robocalls he  should be losing Oct 23 14:01
neighborlee that and the whole ayers mess..calling obama a terroist..who is he kidding :) Oct 23 14:01
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_election Oct 23 14:01
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_S… Oct 23 14:03
schestowitz http://www.olpcnews.com/use_cases/educa… “While listening to the Transforming Education Panel at the Microsoft ICT for Development Conference, I was struck by how much this conference is a direct result of the hype around One Laptop Per Child.” Oct 23 14:07
neighborlee yeah that was a mess too ;00- Oct 23 14:08
neighborlee another instance of m$ meddling Oct 23 14:09
schestowitz New CC-licensed album (also ogg): http://www.severedfifth.com/news/2008… Oct 23 14:13
schestowitz I’m still ripping all my CDs these days Oct 23 14:13
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schestowitz .The new business mode: http://audio.lugradio.org/severedfifth/deni… Oct 23 14:14
schestowitz One click, full album. Totally legal, makes the MAFIAA scared. Oct 23 14:14
schestowitz And this is how they make $$: http://www.severedfifth.com/store/ Oct 23 14:15
neighborlee http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/lin… < my post. Oct 23 14:18
neighborlee at end Oct 23 14:18
neighborlee what kind of group are they ;0- Oct 23 14:19
neighborlee very kewl though that they have OGG there ;)) Oct 23 14:20
schestowitz http://www.linuxjournal.com/content… Oct 23 14:21
schestowitz Beware an enemy bearing gifts: “I wonder if by “mixed source” and releasing some of their old stuff to the open source community, they mean to somehow taint the open source community with their code in hopes that it will make it into some release and strengthen their claims of IP ownership?” Oct 23 14:21
schestowitz Glyn Moody: “It’s already happening. Look at Mono, which is based on .NET’s structures.” Oct 23 14:21
schestowitz El Perro Loco: “I have always seen Mono as a *very bad thing*. In my opinion, it is as close to treason as it can be. I try to keep my machines Mono-free.” Oct 23 14:22
schestowitz “If thought can corrupt language, then language can also corrupt thought.” — Orwell Oct 23 14:22
schestowitz neighborlee: it’s metal by the way. Not my cup of tea. Oct 23 14:24
neighborlee ICK Oct 23 14:24
neighborlee nor mine. Oct 23 14:24
*neighborlee is a HUGE Carpenters fan : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th… Oct 23 14:24
schestowitz It makes me annoyed. Oct 23 14:24
neighborlee heh Oct 23 14:24
schestowitz Same here, but ’cause of my sister. Oct 23 14:24
neighborlee ahhhh Oct 23 14:24
neighborlee a man..speaking of which..christmas is almost around the corner..it doesn’t get alot better than karens voice at christmas ;) Oct 23 14:25
schestowitz http://www.technewsworld.com/s… Oct 23 14:28
schestowitz “No less than Bill Gates himself said in a recent Fortune article that Microsoft competes better against in China when there’s piracy than when there isn’t. So, Microsoft actively looks the other way as people pirate its software.” Oct 23 14:28
schestowitz “It builds its market share that way, and lets people get used to the idea of having Windows at a certain price. Then, Microsoft decides one day that it just won’t do, and it shows up on people’s computers to harass them into buying its product.” Oct 23 14:28
neighborlee just use linux ;)heh..trouble is linux sometimes its its own worse enemy Oct 23 14:38
neighborlee just use linux ;)heh..trouble is linux sometimes is its own worse enemy Oct 23 14:39
schestowitz Novell is not Linux. ;-) It’s less than 10% Linux. Oct 23 14:39
neighborlee yup Oct 23 14:40
schestowitz Microsoft rushes out emergency Windows update : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10… Oct 23 14:40
schestowitz This relates to a discussion I had with _doug some hours ago. Oct 23 14:40
schestowitz He mentioned IE and I told him that.. well… from The Reg: “Microsoft is about to issue an emergency security update to plug a vulnerability which could allow an internet worm to be spread via a computer without the user doing anything. Oct 23 14:40
schestowitz This flaw could make a lot more zombies very quickly. Oct 23 14:41
schestowitz Haha. And it happens on the very same day as the financial report… not good, Microsoft, not good… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/2… Oct 23 14:42
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/23/mic… “In May Microsoft moved to appease its critics and reassure regulators by proclaiming that Office 2007 SP2 will support rival file format OpenDocument Format (ODF) 1.1 used by openistas such as IBM and Sun Microsystems. Oct 23 14:43
schestowitz Oct 23 14:43
neighborlee EEEEEEEEEEk Oct 23 14:44
neighborlee patch isn’t out yet EEEEEEEK Oct 23 14:44
neighborlee 2 hours 10 minutes to go Oct 23 14:45
neighborlee severe for XP, only ‘importan’t for vista GEZ ;)) Oct 23 14:45
neighborlee maybe this is their way of getting people to upgrade to vista..’more secure’ ? heh Oct 23 14:46
schestowitz :-) Oct 23 14:46
neighborlee hey is anyone here a lawyer ;) Oct 23 14:46
schestowitz Well, maybe.. Oct 23 14:46
neighborlee well I need one.. LOL Oct 23 14:46
schestowitz Maybe it’s cause nobody uses Vista, so it’s not at risk. Oct 23 14:46
neighborlee not for criminal ..im not one of those guys..this is  civil Oct 23 14:46
schestowitz Are we talking about Ballmer again? Oct 23 14:47
neighborlee lol yeah that could be :)) Oct 23 14:47
neighborlee lawyer wize..no not balmer. Oct 23 14:47
schestowitz Whoa. Big number: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/1… < Seagate earnings slump 83% > Oct 23 14:48
schestowitz They are Linux hostile, so good riddance. Oct 23 14:48
schestowitz Although my two Seagate external hard-drives work fine now with a new kernel. Oct 23 14:48
schestowitz Police state receding? Speed cams ditched in Wiltshire < http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… > over a hundred comments so far. Oct 23 14:49
neighborlee crap..and I have a seagate drive o_0 Oct 23 14:50
neighborlee :) Oct 23 14:50
schestowitz No patches for you anymore. Oct 23 14:50
schestowitz The former one I had to formar recently. It had Microsoft software out of the box (NTFS) Oct 23 14:51
schestowitz Seagate Freeagent Pro: hardware that comes with proprietary software : http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/coumns/seagate_… Oct 23 14:51
twitter freeagent?  funny name for a free software assassin. Oct 23 14:53
neighborlee I wonder how macosX handles virus’s…is that environment as safe as linux or more safe or what Oct 23 14:54
neighborlee twitter, lol yeah Oct 23 14:54
neighborlee schestowitz, ah ok..well atm I have no external HD..im prob. going this route instead as its cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product…. Oct 23 14:55
neighborlee my seagate is internal Oct 23 14:55
schestowitz FreeHotman Oct 23 14:55
schestowitz FreeHitman Oct 23 14:55
schestowitz The Seagate Sharpshoot series. Oct 23 14:55
neighborlee lol Oct 23 14:55
schestowitz What’s this obsession in LinuxInsider with Wikis? This has gone on for years… and Second Life too… http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsst… Oct 23 14:59
schestowitz They also appear to be buying many articles rather they write and publish their own, so they might be dying (budget problems or staffing shortage) Oct 23 14:59
twitter I’ve had good luck with iomega external drives, but I ext3 them right away with cfdisk or fdisk. Oct 23 15:00
twitter iomega is what it should be, a simple usb or firewire to PATA adaptor. Oct 23 15:01
schestowitz *LOL* “Bork File Encryption program. ” (in < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=new… >) Oct 23 15:01
schestowitz Iomega is EMC now Oct 23 15:01
schestowitz Microsoft puppets and Puppet of the Year 2008 Oct 23 15:01
schestowitz They have their own Linux O/S though. Oct 23 15:02
twitter That enclosure looks exactly like my smaller iomega drive. Oct 23 15:02
twitter M$ puppet?  Oh no! Oct 23 15:02
twitter Ebay is your friend. Oct 23 15:03
schestowitz This is important: Persony Releases No Download Web Conferencing Solution for Mac, Windows and Linux < http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/10/prweb1506374.htm > One missing piece was often this time of software in GNU/Linux Oct 23 15:04
schestowitz I had a little argument with 451 Group when they locked out GNU/Linux from their Webcast.s Oct 23 15:04
schestowitz Stocks Turn Higher After Wednesday’s Plunge … http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/news/topnews… Oct 23 15:06
twitter this should fix that,  http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/jo… Oct 23 15:08
neighborlee indeed Oct 23 15:08
schestowitz Blech. < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10073249-38… >”An uninvited guest showed up at dinnertime for some Pennsylvania families last week: a robotic telephone message informing them that Barack Obama had associated with a terrorist.” Oct 23 15:09
schestowitz LMS (last minute slime) Oct 23 15:09
twitter robo calls, most people hang up on them. Oct 23 15:09
schestowitz Let me post a video in BN Oct 23 15:09
neighborlee twitter, most likely yes Oct 23 15:10
neighborlee twitter, I got one from mccain camp myself few days ago..hung up quickly LOL Oct 23 15:10
neighborlee I had to take a shower after o_0 Oct 23 15:10
neighborlee ewwwwwww ;) Oct 23 15:10
twitter I hang up on all robocalls Oct 23 15:10
neighborlee :) Oct 23 15:10
twitter they used to be against the law. Oct 23 15:11
schestowitz Oh no. Oct 23 15:11
schestowitz This tools < http://www.downloadyoutubevideos.com/ > seems to be broken (hopefully not for good), so I can’t produce Oggs. Oct 23 15:12
schestowitz I can’t even get PyTube (404s Oct 23 15:14
schestowitz http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread… Oct 23 15:17
schestowitz I found Oct 23 15:19
twitter ??? what did downloadyoutubevideos.com do for you? Oct 23 15:19
schestowitz http://keepvid.com/ Oct 23 15:20
schestowitz It enables you to download the FLVs to make the Oggs. Oct 23 15:20
schestowitz Readers are upset if I just post Flash. Oct 23 15:20
twitter use clive to get the flv and ffmpeg2ogg to get ogv, that should work.  Let me try one. Oct 23 15:21
schestowitz clive? Oct 23 15:22
schestowitz URL/ Oct 23 15:22
twitter ffmpeg2theora, typo Oct 23 15:22
twitter clive is debian package that downloads youtube Oct 23 15:22
schestowitz That’s what I thought. I need it for Mandriva Oct 23 15:22
twitter don’t know.  The youtube-dl script for Mepis I tried yesterday did not work. Oct 23 15:23
schestowitz Google might change ‘API’s sometimes. Oct 23 15:24
schestowitz This is why PyTube broke on my machine at work, Oct 23 15:24
schestowitz If onyl Google made it possible to watch as Ogg Oct 23 15:24
schestowitz In fact, someone should lobby for it. Oct 23 15:24
schestowitz They can produce Oggs on the fly and then deliver it in YouTube, even iwht ads if they prefer Oct 23 15:24
schestowitz But as it stands, they serve binary/undocumented stuff… not good for a Web company Oct 23 15:25
twitter ogg support is a big deal for a lot of people Oct 23 15:25
twitter Boingboing is doing everything it can to get it, for example. Oct 23 15:26
twitter Here’s clive, http://clive.sourceforge.net/ Oct 23 15:26
schestowitz twitter: thanks. I’ll use the Web thing for now. It’s slower this way though. Oct 23 15:27
schestowitz With clive I could script the whole pipeline.. Oct 23 15:27
twitter You might even add a right click item to your browser, “download and theora this trash” Oct 23 15:30
twitter did I misspell flash? Oct 23 15:30
schestowitz No Oct 23 15:31
schestowitz Videos posted.. front page < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/23/can… > Oct 23 15:38
*epictetus (n=pattm@static-71-174-73-53.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell Oct 23 15:39
epictetus Hi guys Oct 23 15:39
neighborlee hi Oct 23 15:39
schestowitz Ross is back to posting Novell ads in YoutTube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DWPRkcICuIA Oct 23 15:40
schestowitz hey, epictetus Oct 23 15:40
epictetus so you guys are anti-novell here? Oct 23 15:40
neighborlee yes Oct 23 15:40
epictetus I was watching some of the Mac ads on TV attacking Vista Oct 23 15:42
epictetus and was thinking how cool it would be if there were an ad for Ubuntu or something too Oct 23 15:42
schestowitz I posted one this morning: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/2… Oct 23 15:43
neighborlee epictetus, true Oct 23 15:43
neighborlee I dont think enough realize what ubuntu is standing for  , so yeah thats a good idea Oct 23 15:43
epictetus I think between Windows getting worse (between spyware and vista basically making the WinPC a nightmare platform) and Ubuntu getting better this might be a great time for linux to finally make that home user/desktop breakthrough Oct 23 15:47
neighborlee bake sale video is hillarious ;) Oct 23 15:47
epictetus More windows software works on Wine than Vista :) Oct 23 15:48
neighborlee lol Oct 23 15:49
neighborlee if I go linux completely ill be using wine alot..im somewhat leary of it but oh well o_0 Oct 23 15:50
epictetus I use a vmware virtual machine with XP :( Oct 23 15:50
neighborlee wont work for me Oct 23 15:51
neighborlee I gotta have 3d acceleration. Oct 23 15:51
twitter Ross must be reading BN and did not want to look, “shy” Oct 23 15:51
twitter If you have 3d acceleration, wine should have 3d acceleration Oct 23 15:52
neighborlee no i meant virtual os Oct 23 15:52
neighborlee wine is fine Oct 23 15:52
twitter I’m not sure about that Oct 23 15:52
neighborlee I am Oct 23 15:53
neighborlee from horses mouth, in form of nvidia dude Oct 23 15:53
twitter virtual box? Oct 23 15:53
neighborlee any of them Oct 23 15:53
neighborlee unless something haz changed recently Oct 23 15:53
twitter don’t know, I don’t have or care for 3d acceleration Oct 23 15:53
neighborlee ah Oct 23 15:54
epictetus i’ve found that wine is very good for mainstream-ish stuff (i.e. just running excel), but then when you have to add some obscure third-party statistics plugins to excel, those won’t work Oct 23 15:54
neighborlee yeah Oct 23 15:54
epictetus although i havent tried it recently Oct 23 15:54
epictetus 09:42 < epictetus> Hey man can you nslookup these sites for me www.greatestate.com www.efactusa.com I am not sure if it is a dns or apache problem Oct 23 15:54
epictetus 09:42 < [> I must protest. Oct 23 15:54
epictetus whoops Oct 23 15:54
epictetus accidental cutpaste Oct 23 15:54
twitter those don’t work well with excel either, upgrade train wrecks everything in the non free world sooner or later Oct 23 15:54
epictetus yeah that’s true Oct 23 15:55
twitter Better to avoid excel Oct 23 15:55
epictetus a lot of stuff like that (stattools, minitab, solver, etc) doesn’t work in 2007 yet and/or has weird cross-compatibility issues Oct 23 15:55
epictetus decision tree Oct 23 15:55
twitter you can get a lot of those things in gnumeric now Oct 23 15:56
twitter gnumeric is about 1/100th the drag excel is. Oct 23 15:56
neighborlee only thing I realy need is quicken like and msaccess relacement..as im not really sure I trust wine to my important data…gnucash maybe for quicken..not sure yet about msaccess Oct 23 15:59
*kentma has quit (“Leaving.”) Oct 23 15:59
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/152666/… : Sony Cuts Financial Outlook on Weak Economy, Strong Yen Oct 23 16:02
schestowitz I’m sure if this is an article or an advert. The author’s name is very unfamiliar.. http://www.pcworld.com/article/152657/wi… Oct 23 16:03
twitter ok, ffmpeg2theora works for the flv I tried. Oct 23 16:03
twitter ffmpeg2theora -v5 CtrlAltDelthehistory.flv Oct 23 16:03
twitter Input #0, flv, from ‘CtrlAltDelthehistory.flv’: Oct 23 16:03
twitter   Duration: 00:01:15.0, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 80 kb/s Oct 23 16:03
twitter     Stream #0.0: Video: flv, yuv420p, 290×224 [PAR 0:1 DAR 0:1], 30.00 tb(r) Oct 23 16:03
twitter     Stream #0.1: Audio: mp3, 22050 Hz, mono, 80 kb/s Oct 23 16:03
twitter   Resize: 290×224 Oct 23 16:03
twitter       0:01:15.00 audio: 30kbps video: 135kbps, time elapsed: 00:00:14 Oct 23 16:03
twitter Looks like the original. Oct 23 16:04
twitter original was 2.5 MB, theora is 1.5MB Oct 23 16:04
schestowitz A lot of Windows boxes will go into emergency reboot today: http://www.pcworld.com/article/1… Oct 23 16:05
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