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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Xmas Eve (2008)

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:27 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz No luv for KDE4 :-( http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2008/12/24/checki… Dec 24 00:02
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Tallken schestowitz: kde4? he was mostly bashing Mandriva Dec 24 00:20
Tallken though he should’ve known sda5 is a logical partition Dec 24 00:20
schestowitz kde4 is blamed at the end. Dec 24 00:21
schestowitz I think he’s quite new to Linux (he was here in IRC on Sunday, I think), so partitioning might be confusing. Dec 24 00:22
Tallken he has a Gentoo install…. Dec 24 00:23
Tallken but ok I suppose it could be possibl Dec 24 00:23
Tallken followed the handbook Dec 24 00:23
Tallken and it’s still learning those details Dec 24 00:23
schestowitz I think he tried Gentoo last week or a fortnight ago. I don’t know him, but we spoke on IRC here. Dec 24 00:25
Tallken well, if he uses Gentoo he must be a cool guy xD Dec 24 00:27
Tallken well, on my way to bed, cya! [] Dec 24 00:27
schestowitz I’ll stick around. It’s only 1AM Dec 24 00:28
Tallken yesterday went to bed at 4AM Dec 24 00:42
Tallken the day before at 2AM Dec 24 00:42
Tallken so, i better start having a decent bed time :p Dec 24 00:42
Tallken cya Dec 24 00:42
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MinceR gn Dec 24 01:55
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dsmith_ hello Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_ http://www.itwire.com/content/vie… Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_ not sure if anyone has seen this Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_ interesting to say Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_ remove mono, you remove evolution which never happened before. Not that I use evolution, but still Dec 24 05:26
dsmith_ http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… Dec 24 05:27
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schestowitz Incentives Align To Create Bubbles < http://techdirt.com/article… > Dec 24 08:37
schestowitz Stampede for ‘Bush shoe’ creates 100 new jobs < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/22/turk… > “Their deployment as a makeshift missile robbed President George Bush of his dignity and landed their owner in jail. But the world’s most notorious pair of shoes have yielded an unexpected bonanza for a Turkish shoemaker.” Dec 24 08:38
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/22/brazil-… “Twenty years after the killing of Chico Mendes, one of the world’s most prominent rainforest defenders, hundreds of human rights and environmental activists still face the threat of assassination in Brazil, a new study claims.” Dec 24 08:41
schestowitz Psystar Denies It Conspired Against Apple < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155985/psystar_… > Some think it’s related to MS Dec 24 08:47
schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iVDPxVy7h38 Dec 24 09:27
schestowitz “THE New York Times has been sued by the parent company of the Boston Globe, which claims that the outfit has been using online material without permission.” < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/15… > Dec 24 10:37
schestowitz WTF is this??/ http://www.mixx.com/users/damonwildercarr Dec 24 10:42
schestowitz Seems like there are Microsoft booster in Mixx: http://www.mixx.com/stories/3191325/advanced_b… Dec 24 10:42
schestowitz “Hardly matching the poetic gravitas of the four equestrians, but cringe-worthy all the same: the second most purchased ring tone sold by a popular cell phone service in Croatia is called “Superfart”.” < http://radian.org/notebook/2008-12-11 > Dec 24 10:51
schestowitz Madoff investor found dead of possible suicide: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid…  Madoff  should do the same to do himself justice. Dec 24 10:58
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L… Dec 24 11:02
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locutu5 hi all Dec 24 11:03
schestowitz Hey, locutu5. Dec 24 11:03
schestowitz Shane? Dec 24 11:03
locutu5 hows things Dec 24 11:03
locutu5 yes Dec 24 11:03
locutu5 me Dec 24 11:03
schestowitz Cool. Dec 24 11:03
schestowitz All well, thank you. Dec 24 11:04
locutu5 my normal moniker was taken Dec 24 11:04
schestowitz They stole the reputation :-) Dec 24 11:04
locutu5 whats with this epic troll junk? Dec 24 11:04
schestowitz Where? Dec 24 11:04
locutu5 blogbeebe Dec 24 11:04
locutu5 tuxmachines has a link Dec 24 11:04
schestowitz He doesn’t like us because of things we said in GL Dec 24 11:04
locutu5 I guessed that :) Dec 24 11:04
locutu5 makes him look bad imho Dec 24 11:05
schestowitz Oh, I see now… http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/ Dec 24 11:05
schestowitz He supported SCO/Microsoft/MOG spying on PJ Dec 24 11:05
schestowitz So I talked about this, dropped his feed and then he lost it. Dec 24 11:05
locutu5 hmmm Dec 24 11:05
locutu5 lol Dec 24 11:05
locutu5 whats the time at your end? Dec 24 11:06
schestowitz 11am Dec 24 11:06
locutu5 3 1/2 hours difference Dec 24 11:06
locutu5 you working? Dec 24 11:06
schestowitz 1/2?? Dec 24 11:06
locutu5 13:17 here Dec 24 11:07
schestowitz No, I hardly work. I’m going to do reading today before dinner. Dec 24 11:07
locutu5 lucky you Dec 24 11:07
schestowitz I like learning stuff. I think of the Ph.D. only as a pedigree thing (I dragged mine on voluntarily, because I can, having finished practical work in 2005/6). There is not much hope over the horizon unless the system is reformed, so I gravitated towards that. It’s fun, it’s important. Dec 24 11:07
schestowitz Some people still think money, money, money. it’s hardmful. Dec 24 11:08
schestowitz *harmful Dec 24 11:08
locutu5 all I wish for is a comfortable life Dec 24 11:08
schestowitz Are you around Istanbul? Dec 24 11:08
locutu5 and as much computer goodies I can get my hands on Dec 24 11:08
locutu5 I am in ankara Dec 24 11:08
schestowitz I was in Lykia (Turkey) in 1999 Dec 24 11:08
schestowitz One of my best vacations ever. Dec 24 11:08
locutu5 Real Turkish people are very nice Dec 24 11:09
schestowitz Better than rainy vacations in ‘richer’ places Dec 24 11:09
locutu5 yea Dec 24 11:09
schestowitz Yes, I knew a few back then. We got along very well. Dec 24 11:09
locutu5 they are good at sniffing opportunities though Dec 24 11:09
schestowitz Over here, they are portrayed badly along with the “Muslin” stigma Dec 24 11:09
locutu5 I know Dec 24 11:10
locutu5 sad cause they are no different to you and me Dec 24 11:10
schestowitz Some people go by the media Dec 24 11:10
locutu5 as in a bad apple spoils the barrel Dec 24 11:10
schestowitz Nothing better for uniting people amid misery than to blame “them” (Russia|China|Muslims) Dec 24 11:10
locutu5 visa versa here :) Dec 24 11:10
schestowitz How long have you been there? Dec 24 11:12
locutu5 In general I have found them to be no more and no less religious than back home in austral  lia Dec 24 11:12
locutu5 been here 11 years Dec 24 11:12
schestowitz Religion is perceived as bad as long as it’s a particular religion. Dec 24 11:12
locutu5 true. at the core they all teach the same thing Dec 24 11:13
schestowitz As in, Mosque=radical; xmas=holy. Dec 24 11:13
locutu5 love thy neighbour etc.etc Dec 24 11:13
schestowitz How’s Pardus doing over there? Dec 24 11:13
schestowitz I heard the military deploys it. Dec 24 11:13
locutu5 quite good Dec 24 11:13
locutu5 them and the government Dec 24 11:13
schestowitz 5000+ machines last year Dec 24 11:13
locutu5 I don’t use it myself. too newbie Dec 24 11:14
schestowitz If they carry on, the special forces will have to come in and ‘liberate’ them with BillG Dec 24 11:14
locutu5 lol Dec 24 11:14
locutu5 just get him to shake his tush Dec 24 11:14
locutu5 well must get back to work Dec 24 11:15
locutu5 nice chatting with you Dec 24 11:15
schestowitz You too. Dec 24 11:15
schestowitz Thanks for the headsup Dec 24 11:15
locutu5 did you know my personal site? www.locutus.us Dec 24 11:15
locutu5 your welcome Dec 24 11:15
schestowitz Yes, I know. Dec 24 11:15
schestowitz I read it too Dec 24 11:15
locutu5 :) thanks Dec 24 11:16
locutu5 bye now Dec 24 11:16
schestowitz Cya Dec 24 11:16
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trmanco who is using a 64-bit OS? Dec 24 11:30
trmanco anyone here? Dec 24 11:30
trmanco they could save $180 if they install Linux -> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,… Dec 24 11:32
schestowitz Many servers run 64-bit… they need the RAM. Dec 24 11:35
schestowitz The same goes for computing in the high-end production level (mostly GNU/Linux in studios) Dec 24 11:35
MinceR hay Dec 24 12:04
schestowitz http://beranger.org/index.php?page=di… “Less than 5% of the daily visits are from regular readers. Most of the time, people come here from an older forum post somewhere, or from a Google search. Because of my political opinions and strong criticism of everything, I’ve lost some constant readers in the past.” Dec 24 12:05
schestowitz Oh no!!!!!!!! http://technocrat.net/ Dec 24 12:06
schestowitz “The technocrat.net public discussion site is shut down. This has happened because the site never achieved the ability to financially sustain its editorial staff and system expenses with its revenues.” Dec 24 12:06
schestowitz http://technocrat.net/d/… “404 – Not Found” Dec 24 12:07
schestowitz Arghhh!!!!!!!!! Lots of broken links now. Dec 24 12:07
schestowitz “At the end I faced the decision of asking for donations to keep the site running, or letting it die, and it became clear to me that I’d feel better if it would just die.” Dec 24 12:08
schestowitz So all my stories, comments, links, etc. are just down the s*tter. Dec 24 12:08
schestowitz Oh yeah… trust “the cloud” Dec 24 12:09
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schestowitz “Foxconn to lay off 100,000 employees as its export business declined substantially.” < http://www.evertiq.com/news… > Dec 24 12:14
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn ” Foxconn produces the Mac mini, the iPod and the iPhone for Apple Computer; Intel-branded motherboards for Intel Corp.; various orders for American computer retailers Dell, Inc. and Hewlett Packard; the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3 for Sony; the Wii for Nintendo; the Xbox 360 for Microsoft, cell phones for Motorola, and Amazon Kindle. “ Dec 24 12:16
schestowitz US economy shrinks as IMF warns of Great Depression < http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/081223/… > Dec 24 12:17
duglambier Hi ! Do you know whan SLED 11 will be released ? I am from France, and I would like to convince ou council to make a smooth switch from MS environment to Open Source environment, with migration from MS Office to OpenOffice first, then Exchange/Outlook to Groupwise, and then Linux Dec 24 12:18
schestowitz Have you considered Mandriva yet? Dec 24 12:18
schestowitz :-) Beranger: “I am more concerned with other aspects of the “net generation”: the lack of ethics. The kids from the “net generation” have a unique goal: to make money. Period. They have zero solidarity, zero compassion, zero social understanding, zero ethics. They just want to be Donald Trump or Bill Gates.” Dec 24 12:20
schestowitz “They’re born capitalists, but they are too individualists to understand the macroeconomics and the implications of their greed, therefore they’ll probably become the grave diggers of the civilized world. Older generations — those responsible for the current crisis — weren’t able to understand how they’re screwing the whole world, so how could be the “net generation” any better?” Dec 24 12:20
duglambier In fact, Mandriva is well translated, but the company behind seems to be at the verge to collapse. Moreover, I don’t know which software supported by Mandriva will replace Exchange. We need to be reliable since this is the public sector. As the project will take time, we need also a distribution than can be flexible enough to be in a mixed environment (Linux/Windows). My idea will be to replace Novell after 2014 Dec 24 12:23
schestowitz Novell is not close to collapse? Dec 24 12:23
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schestowitz As for Madriva or any other distro for that matter, they are swappable. Nothing is safe now… Microsoft seems likely to lay off 10,000 lackeys next month < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micr… > Dec 24 12:24
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schestowitz Hey Dec 24 12:24
schestowitz As for Madriva or any other distro for that matter, they are swappable. Nothing is safe now… Microsoft seems likely to lay off 10,000 lackeys next month < http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/… > Dec 24 12:24
schestowitz Don’t look at Linux as a product like SLED. Dec 24 12:25
duglambier ok Dec 24 12:25
schestowitz If anything is at risk, it’s software that’s maintained by one company, such as Windows. Dec 24 12:25
schestowitz (or Netware) Dec 24 12:25
schestowitz Just sent to Perens: “I have so many links to your content at the good site, Technocrat. Is there any way you can at least keep existing content live? Please??” Dec 24 12:43
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schestowitz Adam is still promoting Mandriva. A job so good is one a person would do even for no pay. I hope he’ll continue this next year. Dec 24 12:47
schestowitz Some people still don’t know that Evolution is simply a Novell product. It’s also helping Microsoft and Mono (.NET). Dec 24 13:00
trmanco he could just buy some support from Canonical Dec 24 13:10
trmanco and install Ubuntu Dec 24 13:10
schestowitz Instead of Microsoft Linux?? Microsoft is a known brand. :-) Dec 24 13:13
trmanco yes Dec 24 13:18
schestowitz A reader has just ‘advised’ me on “upgrading BN ..” Dec 24 13:21
schestowitz “You should drop the name, start a new site and allow a select few post articles, and a subscription only comment section. How about a Wiki type service ..” I told him what I said before. It’s complicated. Google indexing mostly, and links… I never liked the site’s name. It’s almost embarrassing. Dec 24 13:21
schestowitz What I Will do, howveer is what he suggested: “Expand the remit to ‘Intellectual Property’, the mangling of ‘standards’ and the corruption of the press and so on …” Dec 24 13:22
schestowitz Another doctoral person encouraged me to carry on with this. “One of my role models was the late* Irwin Feerst *who died fighting this corporate greed in 1990.” Dec 24 13:23
schestowitz An hour ago I got an E-mail from the head of the Computer Science department, who wants to meet me. :-) Dec 24 13:23
schestowitz http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?ur… *Reviving  democracy at the IEEE,” Dwon, L. Dec 24 13:24
schestowitz Technology and Society Magazine/, IEEE Volume 11, Issue 2, Summer 1992 Page(s):10 – 17; Digital Object Identifier   10.1109/44.141669 Dec 24 13:24
schestowitz “*Summary:*It is argued that since 1963, when the American Institute of Electrical Engineers (AIEE) and the Institute of Radio Engineers (IRE) merged to form the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), autocracy within the organization has increased. Autocratic and bureaucratic characteristics became more pronounced after 1972 when the IEEE-USA Professional Activities Program (PAP) was established.” Dec 24 13:25
schestowitz “The ways in which single-candidate ballots, approval voting, the IEEE Assembly, and communication control contribute to a situation in which volunteers who perform professionally, but contrary to the establishment’s wishes, are ignored, censored, fired, or ostracized are discussed. The consequences of what transpired in the IEEE since 1963 and recommendations of actions to overturn the deeply rooted selected entrenched hierarchy a Dec 24 13:25
schestowitz re outlined.” Dec 24 13:25
schestowitz (Unless one is a IEEE member, this 8 page document costs $29.00) *From the IEEE website search, this additional excerpt is provided, “Mr. *Irwin Feerst *died in. 1990. To. some members, he was a ray of hope that. some day PAP might be controlled by owner-. members not SEH. *… Dec 24 13:26
trmanco :) Dec 24 13:27
schestowitz “The Hidden Dynamics of the Great American Scientific Enterprise.. 10 Findings from an Irreverent, Exhaustive Exploration of the Scandalous, the Outrageous, the Ridiculous, the Wasteful, and, Yes, Much Good, in Scientific Research” Dec 24 13:27
schestowitz by Daniel S. Greenberg, author of /Science, Money, and Politics: Political Triumph and Ethical Erosion Dec 24 13:27
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schestowitz It all comes together now now that science is collapsing under a bubble. I was in Arlington in 2006 to present my work at an IEEE conference. It’s a nice place, but conferences will never be the same. Many are canceled. Dec 24 13:28
schestowitz I also got this, which is truthful: “”But doesn’t the U.S. face a serious shortage of scientists and engineers?* The alarmists of scientific decline and neglect have been proclaiming that danger for 40 years. The truth, however, is that Ph.D.’s are in oversupply in many fields, unable to find jobs suitable to their training. In the biomedical sciences, Ph.D. production far exceeds job openings.”” Dec 24 13:29
schestowitz “One result is the growing practice of serial post-doctoral appointments­a low-wage “holding pattern” for surplus Ph.D.’s. For sound economic reasons, increasing numbers of American students are shunning scientific training and the questionable opportunity to serve as scientific stoop labor for grant-laden professors.” Dec 24 13:29
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trmanco schestowitz, how can I convert swf to ogg? Dec 24 13:56
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Omar87 Hi all. Dec 24 14:00
trmanco Hi Dec 24 14:04
schestowitz Hey. Dec 24 14:05
schestowitz trmanco: do you have the FLA? Dec 24 14:05
trmanco nop Dec 24 14:05
schestowitz Can you make it? Dec 24 14:05
MinceR Front Line Assembly? Dec 24 14:06
schestowitz SWF is proprietary junk, like FLA Dec 24 14:06
MinceR oh, that FLA Dec 24 14:06
schestowitz :-) Dec 24 14:06
trmanco oh well Dec 24 14:06
trmanco http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253 Dec 24 14:06
trmanco I just wanted to post an ogg on my blog Dec 24 14:06
trmanco with this swf Dec 24 14:07
schestowitz Get the flv of the video Dec 24 14:08
schestowitz You can’t covert binary mesh of objects and stuff (Flash blobs) to a stream of just video. Dec 24 14:08
schestowitz “Certain elements of the community that developed here, unfortunately, creep me out” 00 Bruce Perens Dec 24 14:10
schestowitz “That’s a great pity, that’s two down,” someone tells me. “Recalling what happened elsewhere, I don’t know if I want to attract the attention. Also, there are so many blogs out there it’s hard to get hits. And all I got for my previous efforts was abuse and ABSOLUTELY NO SUPPORT from the so-called Linux enthusiasts.” Dec 24 14:11
schestowitz Ffaced the decision of asking for donations to keep the site running, or letting it die, and it became clear to me that I’d feel better if it would just die.” — Bruce Perens Dec 24 14:11
schestowitz *LOL* “”slashdot is a steaming pile of inane comments, mod trolling and propaganda for CORPOR~1″” Dec 24 14:11
MinceR some of the inane comments are still worth it sometimes :) Dec 24 14:12
schestowitz Got an example? Dec 24 14:20
MinceR http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid… Dec 24 14:24
MinceR http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?si… Dec 24 14:24
MinceR http://it.slashdot.org/comments… Dec 24 14:24
schestowitz http://blogs.sun.com/javafx/entry/… Dec 24 14:26
MinceR lol, they say they love linux Dec 24 14:27
MinceR yes, i can see how much sun loves linux Dec 24 14:27
schestowitz Funny (/.) Dec 24 14:28
MinceR and they’re actively working on it! (just like epic is actively working on ut3, right?) Dec 24 14:28
schestowitz I was among those complaining (in Digg’s front page) Dec 24 14:29
MinceR http://xkcd.com/521/ Dec 24 14:29
schestowitz ut3 is the next Duke Nuken Forever. Dec 24 14:29
MinceR i suspect DNF will run on linux natively before ut3 will Dec 24 14:29
schestowitz I bet many games bite the dust now Dec 24 14:31
schestowitz Studios are falling down. Dec 24 14:31
schestowitz “Wow, I didn’t even know Linux and Solaris had a GUI !” Dec 24 14:32
schestowitz “Plain old lies!  Posted by whoa on December 05, 2008 at 03:30 AM PST “ Dec 24 14:33
schestowitz Oops. Duken [sic] typo in their blog Dec 24 14:34
Omar87 schestowitz: I need your consultation in something. Dec 24 14:52
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schestowitz I’m glad you come here to ask. :- Dec 24 14:55
Omar87 schestowitz: :-) Dec 24 14:57
Omar87 schestowitz: There’s an ancient game that was release in 1986 for Comodore 64 and ZXSpectrum and the AmtradCPC platforms. Dec 24 15:00
Omar87 It’s called “The Trap Door”. Dec 24 15:00
Omar87 Now, I’m planning to resurrect this game using Python and Pygame, and placing it under GPLv3. Dec 24 15:02
Omar87 So, the question is, do you think I might get sued over that? Dec 24 15:02
schestowitz Some game makers harass copycats. Dec 24 15:04
schestowitz Risk versus a Google Maps copycat Dec 24 15:04
schestowitz Scrabble versus that Facebook app, IIRC.. Dec 24 15:05
schestowitz Guitar Hero Dec 24 15:05
schestowitz There are other examples I can think of, even Solitaire. Dec 24 15:05
Omar87 mhmm. Dec 24 15:05
schestowitz The first and second examples evoked C&D… the latter: lawsuits. Dec 24 15:06
Omar87 But, as far as I know, I might very well, be the only one in the world think of reviving this game, lol. :) Dec 24 15:06
Omar87 thinking* Dec 24 15:06
schestowitz These days, passing the ball to the nearest player in socccer is a patented idea too (Konami, I think) Dec 24 15:06
schestowitz Let me get you more links. Dec 24 15:07
Omar87 Oh man… Dec 24 15:07
Omar87 Patents are evil. Dec 24 15:07
Omar87 brb. Dec 24 15:07
schestowitz http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/… Dec 24 15:08
schestowitz http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-gam… Dec 24 15:08
Omar87 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trap_Door_(g… Dec 24 15:10
Omar87 Here is the game I was talking about. Dec 24 15:10
Omar87 Thanks. Dec 24 15:10
schestowitz I’ve just had this really annoying discussion in LXer Dec 24 15:12
schestowitz People are tamed to respect Intel, so for me to call them  “criminal” requires some evidence. So I did that. Dec 24 15:12
schestowitz Despite the likes of Intel controlling the press, alternative media has some info that’s factual. Dec 24 15:12
schestowitz It came about because of the appointment of Cox, but.. it’s not about employees!! It’s about the management of this crooked operation. Dec 24 15:13
schestowitz As Carla put it at the time in http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l… Dec 24 15:13
schestowitz “FOSS keeps people honest. That’s the #1 reason there is such strong, well-funded opposition to it. Honesty is Kryptonite to anyone who makes their living peddling lies. The big lie that gets my goat every time is these big tech companies that continually boast of their innovation. All they innovate are stagnation and barriers to innovation” Dec 24 15:13
schestowitz “The poster child for this is the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child). Whatever you may think of OLPC itself, it spawned the netbook revolution. All those titans of industry have had the resources since forever to invent the netbook on their own. They all badmouthed and undermined OLPC. Now they can’t crank out their own OLPC ripoffs fast enough.” Dec 24 15:13
schestowitz http://tinyurl.com/5vfvjs < “EX-INTEL ENGINEER CHARGED IN FRAUD ” > Dec 24 15:14
schestowitz That 1999 settlement: FTC chief has antitrust plate full. < http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2… > <  http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu… > Dec 24 15:14
schestowitz “In that suit, Intel has denied Intergraph’s accusations of fraud, theft of trade secrets and anticompetitive conduct.” < http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?… > Dec 24 15:15
schestowitz ”Intel eliminates salary allowances to stop fraud […] The Times of India had reported in September last year that the company was conducting a serious investigation into malpractices related to allowance claims, resulting in the exit of several hundred employees.” http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com… Dec 24 15:15
schestowitz Securities fraud  (I know there was a recent 1-billion-dollar suit for their bribes with Dell) < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/… >; Lenovo got financial help from Intel, claim  < http://www.theinquirer.net/default…. >; Negroponte says Intel should be “ashamed of itself” < http://www.t Dec 24 15:16
schestowitz heinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39733 > Dec 24 15:16
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/default.as… http://charbax.com/2008/01/0… Intel an “open source fraud”: < http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/0… > < http://kerneltrap.org/node/7184 > Dec 24 15:17
schestowitz Former Intel employee admits to computer fraud < http://news.cnet.com/Former-Intel-em… > Dec 24 15:18
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schestowitz Novell just had a MASSIVE loss. Dec 24 15:46
trmanco $3.52 Dec 24 15:47
schestowitz http://weblog.infoworld.com/virtualizatio… Dec 24 15:47
schestowitz He’s OTU Dec 24 15:47
trmanco Novell shares fell from $6.46 to $3.54 just this year Dec 24 15:53
schestowitz It was close to $8 at one point, targets set this year to $7.5 Dec 24 15:55
schestowitz But the problem is central. It’s like a pyramid scheme deep inside Wall Street (another apparent suicide reported yesterday.. of the second-richest lady). They broke the system. Dec 24 15:57
trmanco well, looks lie USA is up to face another stock crash Dec 24 16:00
schestowitz yesterday’s news: US economy shrinks as IMF warns of Great Depression < http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/081223… > Dec 24 16:01
schestowitz Then comes tor looting, AKA “bailout”. Let me find a Nader video for you. Dec 24 16:01
schestowitz Got it. Watch this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v… Dec 24 16:01
*trmanco watches Dec 24 16:02
neighborlee schestowitz, no great surprise..many are  very angry over  the banking bailout and no accoutability whatsoever Dec 24 16:05
schestowitz They should say “no” to bailout… and hunger to death… Dec 24 16:05
schestowitz /sracasm Dec 24 16:06
neighborlee :) Dec 24 16:06
schestowitz The decision was made alone by the ‘elites’……… “we were greedy… we need to save ourselves” Dec 24 16:06
schestowitz Look at Microsoft cooking the books to meet investor’s expectations (an insider blew the whistle on them). Dec 24 16:07
MinceR http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php… Dec 24 16:17
MinceR finally kwin isn’t the only wm that can work both with and without compositing Dec 24 16:17
trmanco December 2008 Web Server Survey: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/200… Dec 24 16:28
trmanco apache shines again Dec 24 16:28
trmanco “Apache shows the largest growth this month, gaining a further 2.47 million sites.” Dec 24 16:29
schestowitz Myths-filled IDG rubbish: http://tech.yahoo.com/news/infoworld/… Dec 24 16:31
schestowitz “The more technically inclined may be attracted to Linux [...] user interfaces that require active participation to get work done[..] “ Dec 24 16:32
trmanco Fuzzing TraceMonkey: http://www.squarefree.com/2008/1… Dec 24 16:32
schestowitz Did they check, or did their grandmother ship (Redmond) tell them this through Enderle and the grape vine ($$$)? Dec 24 16:32
trmanco limited hardware compatibility? Dec 24 16:33
schestowitz That’s the ‘consensus’ in IDG Dec 24 16:35
Omar87 schestowitz: I’m starting to regret the moment I decided to join the IEEE. Dec 24 16:35
schestowitz IDC@home$ own money Microsoft Dec 24 16:35
schestowitz IEEE… did you see my earlier remarks about it? Dec 24 16:36
schestowitz http://www.freelists.org/post/gnulab-mesce/… Dec 24 16:36
Omar87 schestowitz: Please enlighten me. Dec 24 16:36
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schestowitz Omar87: I think you were absent when I wrote this (today in the morning) Dec 24 16:36
MinceR is ‘limited hardware compatibility’ like the way winxp handles sata? :> Dec 24 16:37
schestowitz It was half an hour before you came. Dec 24 16:37
schestowitz Here’s the text. http://pastebin.com/m410303c5 Dec 24 16:38
trmanco MinceR, I would just like to see hardware without those installation cds they come with Dec 24 16:39
trmanco and like this we can compare compatibility between that 4 GB Vista mess and for example a 700 MB Ubuntu Dec 24 16:40
Omar87 schestowitz: That would be great. Dec 24 16:41
Omar87 Plus, changing the name of the site would be great too, if possible. Dec 24 16:42
Omar87 Make it more generic that Boycotting Novell. Dec 24 16:42
Omar87 than* Dec 24 16:42
Omar87 Because ya know, Novell isn’t the only threat to FOSS. Dec 24 16:42
Omar87 By the way, looking at the IRC logs, what obondoo had said was true. Dec 24 16:47
schestowitz Omar87: someone wrote today to say “From my scratching with Wikipedia, you just create a new article and the system indexes it for you. I’m sure there are loads of scripts out there. Or even an OSS content management system. Your ‘stuff’ is getting lost in the noise …” it’s more complex than that. Dec 24 16:47
Omar87 It doesn’t really need to be a wiki, in my opinion. Dec 24 16:50
MinceR trmanco: :) Dec 24 16:54
schestowitz But Vista has nice wallpapers. :-) Dec 24 16:55
schestowitz And some broken binaries ‘around’ them Dec 24 16:55
trmanco http://i40.tinypic.com/xkneae.jpeg Dec 24 16:56
MinceR lol Dec 24 17:02
schestowitz http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wi… Dec 24 17:41
schestowitz Pretty (IMAGES): http://www.tux-planet.fr/25-best-linux-… Dec 24 17:54
neighborlee man some of those would drive me insane LOL… I prefer a nice tidy clean desktop ;) Dec 24 17:55
schestowitz I knocked awn and superkrama out of mine after a while… it added little but visual clutter. Dec 24 18:02
schestowitz It’s good for Mac artists who might refuse to change apps using keyboard shortcuts that take the user to different desktop around the sphere. Dec 24 18:03
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1… “Music, DVD and game retailer Zavvi UK called in administrators this morning, confirming itself as the latest high street name seriously threatened by the slide into recession.” Dec 24 18:31
trmanco .Niy Dec 24 19:03
trmanco .Nit* Dec 24 19:03
trmanco LOL Dec 24 19:03
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seller_liar Hey roy Dec 24 19:08
seller_liar I was thinking Dec 24 19:08
seller_liar is very easy to port linux .net apps for other platforms Dec 24 19:08
schestowitz It is. Dec 24 19:09
schestowitz A feature for Mcirosoft Dec 24 19:09
seller_liar For example , there are some screenshots about banshee running in macos Dec 24 19:09
seller_liar This gives technical advantage for microsoft Dec 24 19:09
seller_liar of course, there are some platform differences Dec 24 19:10
seller_liar but it’s is very easy to fix Dec 24 19:10
seller_liar Like eclipse for example Dec 24 19:10
seller_liar eclipse is a java app Dec 24 19:10
seller_liar it’s portable Dec 24 19:10
seller_liar but there are some diffrences Dec 24 19:10
schestowitz Java is not .NET Dec 24 19:11
seller_liar but is very easy to port eclipse for windows , linux and mac Dec 24 19:11
schestowitz I.e. it’s not Microsoft Dec 24 19:11
schestowitz He who controls the API… Dec 24 19:11
seller_liar I know , Dec 24 19:11
seller_liar Mono does the same thing Dec 24 19:11
seller_liar mono gives ONLY technical interoperabilty for m$ Dec 24 19:12
schestowitz And kickbacks to Novell Dec 24 19:12
seller_liar and does not need to bribe , like apache for example Dec 24 19:13
seller_liar Mono = free interoperability for m$ Dec 24 19:13
trmanco seller_liar, According to Mono project leader Miguel de Icaza,[10] this agreement extends to Mono but only for Novell developers and customers. It was criticized by some members of the free software community because it violates the principles of giving equal rights to all users of a particular program (see Novell and their Patent Agreement with Microsoft). Dec 24 19:14
seller_liar trmanco: I know Dec 24 19:14
trmanco just avoid it Dec 24 19:14
trmanco as much as possible Dec 24 19:14
seller_liar But , free interoperability is very dangerous Dec 24 19:14
trmanco it depends Dec 24 19:14
seller_liar M$ can use linux free softwares at no cost Dec 24 19:15
trmanco everbody can use free software Dec 24 19:15
seller_liar And runs even better than linux Dec 24 19:15
seller_liar Because m$ uses superior .net platform Dec 24 19:15
seller_liar M$ can imbue scripts to cil code Dec 24 19:16
seller_liar because all code is source based Dec 24 19:16
seller_liar it’s not binary based Dec 24 19:16
seller_liar But , the enemy will use our powers to destroy us Dec 24 19:17
schestowitz That’s what APIs are for Dec 24 19:17
schestowitz Watch what they did to Java Dec 24 19:17
schestowitz They ‘extended’ it. Dec 24 19:17
schestowitz I could show you criminal quotes about that. it was done deliberately and maliciously. Dec 24 19:18
seller_liar I know , but did not permit Dec 24 19:18
seller_liar Sun has defended java Dec 24 19:18
seller_liar I like java , the only problem is to port .net to java Dec 24 19:19
seller_liar Ikvm and ja.net have ported java to net Dec 24 19:19
benJIman jacil runs .net on java. Dec 24 19:19
seller_liar I don t like this because all developers can change from java to .net Dec 24 19:19
seller_liar benJIman: I know Dec 24 19:19
seller_liar benJIman: But it’s VERY outdated Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar benJIman: But the good solution is port all net to java Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar Like jython Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar Jono? Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar A java implementation of Mono Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar LGPLv3 Dec 24 19:20
seller_liar Transforms moonblight to bytecode Dec 24 19:21
seller_liar Like jython does Dec 24 19:21
benJIman seller_liar: I fail to see how that would solve any of the problems you have with mono. Dec 24 19:21
seller_liar For example Dec 24 19:21
benJIman Mono is under a more liberal licence than java. Dec 24 19:21
seller_liar Java devs can import mono libraries Dec 24 19:21
benJIman .net on java would have no fewer patent ifnfringements. Dec 24 19:22
seller_liar Like ikvm does Dec 24 19:22
seller_liar And this gives more power to java Dec 24 19:22
seller_liar For example Dec 24 19:22
seller_liar Ikvm import java code in a .net app Dec 24 19:22
trmanco http://www.damnvulnerablelinux.org/ Dec 24 19:22
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schestowitz I told you! Dec 24 19:28
schestowitz That’s why I say sub-notebook. Dec 24 19:28
trmanco more bad stuff from Intel Dec 24 19:29
trmanco Intel insists Atom only for Intel chipsets, does not want to share Nvidia’s Ion: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a… Dec 24 19:29
schestowitz Intel is a criminal company Dec 24 19:29
schestowitz I already have enough in the basket… let them announce their layoffs soon. Dec 24 19:30
seller_ I dont like intel , is another monopolist like coca-cola Dec 24 19:31
seller_ Destroy poor countries to sell more products Dec 24 19:31
schestowitz That’s the American way Dec 24 19:33
schestowitz Money first, ethics later… laws?? Only if someone enforces them, e.g. FTC, SEC. Dec 24 19:33
seller_ That’s the stupida American Way Dec 24 19:38
seller_ But it’s not my way Dec 24 19:39
seller_ Companies forces people to follow the american way Dec 24 19:39
seller_ Big companies creates homogenous population Dec 24 19:41
seller_ M$ ,McDonalds, Nike, Coca-cola, Intel Dec 24 19:41
seller_ All these companies forces people to follow the same way of life Dec 24 19:41
seller_ If you don t follow these (stupid) companies , you are f*cked Dec 24 19:42
trmanco they take away your life too Dec 24 19:42
schestowitz I wasn’t going to post in BN today, but some many sites go on with business as usual, so I’ll do a few posts. Dec 24 19:42
schestowitz seller_: how much do you know about “manufactured consent”? Dec 24 19:43
trmanco oh btw Dec 24 19:43
schestowitz Those that do not follow the route of the giants are pushed gently out of the cycle of impact. Dec 24 19:43
trmanco before I forget, Merry Christmas to everyone Dec 24 19:43
schestowitz seller_: let me find the post “when did I become such a tool?” Dec 24 19:43
schestowitz From a Microsoft employee who moved to Linux. Dec 24 19:44
seller_ “Manufactured consent” Dec 24 19:44
seller_ I do not know Dec 24 19:44
schestowitz Got it! http://makingtheswitch.wordpress.com/2… Dec 24 19:44
schestowitz seller_: go to YouTube or Google and study this. it’s a term from almost 100 years ago. Dec 24 19:44
schestowitz How to use PR industry techniques to brainwash rather then resort to crowd control. Dec 24 19:45
seller_ schestowitz: ok Dec 24 19:45
trmanco http://www.fsf.org/blogs/mem… Dec 24 19:46
seller_ It’s filled with thousands of people who truly believe that they are doing the right thing for the customer and who want nothing more than to deliver the absolute best they can (within the limits of time, resources and politics). Good pay. Great benefits. Smart people. Dec 24 19:46
seller_ We can not live this way Dec 24 19:46
seller_ The ex- m$ developer cannot act like a machine which gives only technical power ovfor customers Dec 24 19:47
seller_ The ex-m$ dev only thinks in better solution ,better softwares ,better,better Dec 24 19:47
seller_ better…. Dec 24 19:47
seller_ We can not live this way Dec 24 19:48
seller_ We need to live a ethical way of life too Dec 24 19:48
seller_ We need to think about ethics , not only , better,better,better things Dec 24 19:48
seller_ There are  a lot of “better” things, but these things are not “good” things Dec 24 19:49
seller_ Like google search Dec 24 19:51
seller_ is very fast ,is better search, but it ‘s not a good ethical solution Dec 24 19:52
schestowitz Yes, ethics I agree. Dec 24 19:52
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schestowitz Why don’t schools teach that? Dec 24 19:52
schestowitz wb, kentma Dec 24 19:52
kentma Hii Dec 24 19:52
seller_ Schools are very outdated Dec 24 19:52
seller_ Ethical is a very personal act Dec 24 19:53
seller_ Envolves companies and bad acts Dec 24 19:53
seller_ School does not like to discuss bad acts Dec 24 19:53
seller_ But we need to discuss and study about bad acts Dec 24 19:53
seller_ Like M$ does Dec 24 19:54
schestowitz Tell me about it… :-) Dec 24 19:54
kentma My school  is very ethical… Dec 24 19:54
schestowitz I pointed out earlier that Intel commits crime Dec 24 19:54
trmanco First There Was Compiz, Now There Is Compiz++: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa… Dec 24 19:54
schestowitz A gang of American hyenas jump to the company’s resuce. Dec 24 19:54
schestowitz I give lots of extensive evidence, so they start attacking my personality Dec 24 19:54
schestowitz trmanco: yeah, there was also flatfish, which become flastfish++ Dec 24 19:55
trmanco LOL Dec 24 19:55
schestowitz True though. Dec 24 19:55
kentma Hehe, yes. Dec 24 19:55
trmanco schestowitz, no, flatfish# Dec 24 19:55
schestowitz With extra rudeness and libel. Dec 24 19:55
schestowitz After repeating his real name he came out from the hiding. Dec 24 19:56
kentma Gary became very aggressive when he was first Id’d Dec 24 19:56
kentma It was a seminal moment in cleaning up cola Dec 24 19:57
seller_ schestowitz: a hint Dec 24 19:57
seller_ schestowitz: ethics is agains power Dec 24 19:58
schestowitz They accused others of nymshifting Dec 24 19:58
seller_ schestowitz: power is against ethics Dec 24 19:58
schestowitz The truth is that regulars often stay anonymous because they are afraid of the Microsoft bullies, who spread libel and attack through a person’s employer Dec 24 19:58
schestowitz In Greece they made it a sin Dec 24 19:58
schestowitz Hubris, I think. Dec 24 19:59
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris Dec 24 19:59
schestowitz “Hubris, sometimes spelled hybris (ancient Greek ὕβρις), is a term used in modern English to indicate overweening pride, self-confidence, superciliousness, or arrogance, often resulting in fatal retribution. In ancient Greece, hubris referred to actions which, intentionally or not, shamed and humiliated the victim, and frequently the perpetrator as well.” Dec 24 19:59
schestowitz [...] “Hubris, though not specifically defined, was a legal term and was considered a crime in classical Athens. It was also considered the greatest sin of the ancient Greek world. “ Dec 24 19:59
schestowitz “Greatest sin” Dec 24 20:00
schestowitz Well, they still raise an army of Donald Trump wannabes and businesspeople turn Bill Gates into some kind of a role model as though crime is acceptable as long as you become rich that way. This reminds of all these disgraceful people who tell the press _right now_ how Madoff was a nice guy. Dec 24 20:01
kentma Criminals, especially  white collar ones often aare ‘nice’ Dec 24 20:03
schestowitz White collar. Dec 24 20:04
schestowitz They wear suits, so they are just ‘too shrewed’ Dec 24 20:04
trmanco MediaPortal 1.0 for Windows is released: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news… Dec 24 20:06
trmanco Microsoft confirms it’s been working on SQL Server bug since April: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article…. Dec 24 20:08
schestowitz ‘Working’ or working? Dec 24 20:09
schestowitz So they can fix an IE bug within days (200+ patches), whereas another takes 8 months? Dec 24 20:09
trmanco or Dec 24 20:10
trmanco … 7 years Dec 24 20:10
trmanco IIRC Dec 24 20:10
schestowitz Just Windows? http://www.team-mediapor… Dec 24 20:11
schestowitz They don’t fix bugs until attacks hijack PCs Dec 24 20:11
trmanco yes, http://www.team-mediaportal.com/manual/Genera… Dec 24 20:11
schestowitz That way they can pretend they don’t have bugs. People can find those bugs in binaries. Dec 24 20:11
seller_ Fix bugs costs money Dec 24 20:11
schestowitz “# Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz Microsoft .NET Framework 2 Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz # Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz Microsoft DirectX 9.0c or later” Dec 24 20:12
seller_ For m$ this is more important than humans Dec 24 20:12
trmanco LOL Dec 24 20:12
trmanco more bugs Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz Wow. GPL… .NET… Windows-only Dec 24 20:12
trmanco :-P Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz Truly ‘Fee software’ Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz This devalues the notion of GPL Dec 24 20:12
schestowitz Built with DirectX and .NET… good luck running /that/ on anything but Vista ME. Dec 24 20:13
trmanco Red Hat supports Ogg -> http://www.redhat.com/videos/ Dec 24 20:14
seller_ Hehe , I will use mediaportal via mono! Dec 24 20:14
trmanco ” Fee Software” :-P Dec 24 20:14
schestowitz I’ll do a post about it, thanls. Dec 24 20:16
trmanco Open suse has a new license? Dec 24 20:17
trmanco Joe “Zonker” Brockmeier discusses OpenSUSE 11.1: http://www.desktoplinux.com/artic… Dec 24 20:17
trmanco http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_EULA Dec 24 20:18
trmanco this opensuse eula thing is new to me Dec 24 20:20
trmanco it already had one before so forget what I typed Dec 24 20:20
schestowitz Yes, I posted about it. Dec 24 20:20
schestowitz Why is it that the Internet takes no break??? Dec 24 20:21
schestowitz I was going to take time off, but everyone writes and posts news like busy beavers. Dec 24 20:21
trmanco The internet can’t stop Dec 24 20:23
trmanco imagine if all the servers went down at once :-P Dec 24 20:23
trmanco same happens with the news :-P Dec 24 20:23
schestowitz Na… Dec 24 20:23
schestowitz I thought there was a “rest” consensus. Dec 24 20:24
trmanco Open source becomes paid software in 2009: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10128801-62… Dec 24 20:36
trmanco http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content… Dec 24 20:37
schestowitz Those are the people who change the meaning of OSS Dec 24 20:41
schestowitz Asay, Rosenberg, etc. It’s not about Free software, but more about SaaS and dual-licensing. Dec 24 20:41
schestowitz Micron makes more losses on memory way < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/… > Dec 24 20:57
schestowitz “USA Today is reporting that Homeland Security is looking to start scanning blogs, forums and message boards to try to track terrorists and terrorist activity. My first reaction to this, honestly, was shock. ” < http://techdirt.com/articles/20… > Dec 24 21:07
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schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-de… ” Tasers have killed 400 people in North America since 2001. Calling them “nonlethal” makes users trigger-happy.” Dec 24 21:43
trmanco http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/pro… Dec 24 21:43
schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/200… He’s out! Dec 24 21:43
trmanco why the heck are the prices the same Dec 24 21:43
schestowitz Don’t buy Dell. Dec 24 21:44
trmanco even tho Ubuntu has lower specs Dec 24 21:44
trmanco oh wait Dec 24 21:44
schestowitz Look at the specs Dec 24 21:44
trmanco Expires 08/01/2009 Dec 24 21:44
schestowitz This is ridiculous. Dec 24 21:44
trmanco it is Dec 24 21:44
trmanco where is the pressure coming from? Dec 24 21:45
trmanco :| Dec 24 21:45
schestowitz Get twice of most things by avoiding that ‘expensive’ Linux thing. Dec 24 21:45
trmanco this crap just pisses me off Dec 24 21:45
schestowitz Where did you find this? Dec 24 21:45
trmanco COLA Dec 24 21:45
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schestowitz If not many people saw this, I’ll blog Dec 24 21:45
schestowitz OK Dec 24 21:45
schestowitz I’ll blog about itr Dec 24 21:45
schestowitz Damn. it’s supposed to be quiet today. :-( Dec 24 21:46
trmanco a post by megabyte Dec 24 21:46
trmanco LOL Dec 24 21:46
twitter what’s the noise? Dec 24 21:46
trmanco tomorrow will be a quiet day Dec 24 21:46
trmanco twitter, this >> http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/pr… Dec 24 21:46
twitter no, holidays are when people try to sneak things over. Dec 24 21:46
twitter so? Dec 24 21:47
twitter I saw one of these things the other day with XP.  It crashed on boot. Dec 24 21:48
trmanco same price Dec 24 21:48
trmanco but ubuntu has lower specs Dec 24 21:48
twitter OEM lock.  Just one more reason to avoid M$ Partners. Dec 24 21:49
twitter People are going to buy the Linux model anyway because it works better. Dec 24 21:49
trmanco even on lower specs it works better Dec 24 21:50
trmanco LOL Dec 24 21:50
trmanco “I just bought the Xp model… can’t wait to put linux on it… Dec 24 21:50
trmanco MERRY CHRISTMAS!” Dec 24 21:50
twitter From what I saw, the XP model does not work at all. Dec 24 21:50
trmanco I haven’t read the comments yet, if it was there you got that information Dec 24 21:52
trmanco brb Dec 24 21:52
twitter No, I got that information from watching one crash and talking to the owner. Dec 24 21:53
twitter He’s was a hard core Winblows person, so he thought the performance was normal for such a small, low powered computer. Dec 24 21:54
twitter sad Dec 24 21:54
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schestowitz OK, almost done. Dec 24 21:58
schestowitz twitter: that’s not the point Dec 24 21:59
schestowitz Dell somehow continues encouraging people to buy Windows and dual-boot Dec 24 21:59
schestowitz It’s the same with laptops and desktops. Dec 24 21:59
schestowitz It’s important to follow the unbundling rules proposed in the EU (France) Dec 24 22:00
schestowitz There need to be tags that say how much the software _ALONE_ costs so that refund can be demanded. Otherwise, market distortion through kickbacks remains possible. Dec 24 22:00
schestowitz Dell also did the bribery thing with Intel. Many of these corporations are as ethical as Madoff. They smile at you while they loot everyone. Dec 24 22:01
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/… Dec 24 22:05
PetoKraus oh merry christmas lads Dec 24 22:10
PetoKraus anyway Dec 24 22:10
PetoKraus people are so nuts these days, that I don’t even need to follow FOSS stuff to submerge myself in insanity Dec 24 22:11
trmanco twitter, oh ok, that was even a better source :-P Dec 24 22:12
schestowitz Merry Christmas to you too. I look forward to more beer in the weekend myself. Dec 24 22:12
schestowitz Microsoft mentality: it doesn’t matter how good/bad our product is as long as there is no competition and we can develop and invest… new ways to sabotage it. Dec 24 22:13
trmanco PetoKraus, Merry Christmas to you too Dec 24 22:13
twitter Visiting my family was deeply disturbing. Dec 24 22:14
twitter I can always expect some copyright warrior stuff, but this time I was confronted with broadcast news toxins. Dec 24 22:15
twitter They believe that it’s AOK for the US government to torture and murder people. Dec 24 22:16
twitter They don’t believe in global warming. Dec 24 22:16
schestowitz *sigh* http://tech.slashdot.org/article…. It’s not as though Slashdot says “look, we have lots of influence and we are willing to sell out.” It works in reverse. Companies lust for Slashdot’s exposure, so they come to it with money. If Slashdot is in a bad financial or mental state, then it give in. Dec 24 22:16
schestowitz *gives Dec 24 22:16
schestowitz twitter: what’s to believe in? It’s not a religion. It’s a fact, it’s science. Dec 24 22:17
twitter They don’t know science, they are lawyers. Dec 24 22:17
schestowitz Only money and media distortion from Standard Oil (as it used to be) can turn facts into a ‘debate’ with ‘two sides’ and controversy. Dec 24 22:17
twitter they don’t care anyway. Dec 24 22:18
schestowitz Why resolve the problem? Let’s just argue about their existence, instead. Dec 24 22:18
twitter As long as someone is earning money doing it, most of my family thinks it’s OK to destroy any resource. Dec 24 22:19
schestowitz Amazonian too? Dec 24 22:19
schestowitz What happens when things run out? Dec 24 22:19
trmanco we die Dec 24 22:19
schestowitz The world is no infinite garbage dump, either. Dec 24 22:19
twitter They don’t care. Dec 24 22:19
schestowitz trmanco: it’s human’s nature. Dec 24 22:19
trmanco yes of course Dec 24 22:20
schestowitz *^Human Dec 24 22:20
twitter They still like GWB, so I can safely say they are a rabid minority. Dec 24 22:20
schestowitz What if it was reformed though education? This requires collapsing financial ambitions/greed Dec 24 22:20
schestowitz twitter: they are not told the truth Dec 24 22:20
schestowitz Let me find something Dec 24 22:20
schestowitz Got it: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/… Dec 24 22:21
schestowitz Watch what this man says at the end. It’s breathtaking how much ‘robotized’ people can become… kind of like in WW2 Dec 24 22:21
twitter They are saturated with broadcast bullshit and pick and chose the things they want to believe. Dec 24 22:21
schestowitz Biased coverage through omission of perspective. Dec 24 22:22
twitter It is frightening because most of these people are well educated.  I’m surprised by how mean and craven a few years of toxic broadcast has made them. Dec 24 22:22
schestowitz /. instructs on making a PC work for older people……… as long as it’s not GNU/Linux…… http://tech.slashdot.org/article…. Dec 24 22:23
twitter They have basically bought into the endless war on terrorism – they have declared war on the entire world. Dec 24 22:23
schestowitz Reminds me of that Nigerian article from last week about Microsoft… they train people so that they recycle PCs… BUT ONLY it it’s Windows, not GNU/Linux. Dec 24 22:24
schestowitz This works by creating resentment Dec 24 22:24
schestowitz If people are sold this ‘war’ that is frivolous, then people will get angry, join moments like the Taliban and actualize the imaginary vision that, for example, says that 9/11 has something to do with Iraq. Dec 24 22:25
schestowitz I always say, “treat them like terrorists, and terrorists they shall become” Dec 24 22:25
schestowitz I also say, “treat them like “pirates”, and downloading you music they will” Dec 24 22:26
schestowitz “You’re a thief” tax on CD, music player and HDDs is a good example. Dec 24 22:26
twitter It’s funny but the less educated member of my family understood the resentment our bogus war has created because he knows the foot soldiers. Dec 24 22:27
twitter They work for Haliburton, Blackwater and others, have done several tours and rotations but won’t be going back any more. Dec 24 22:28
schestowitz I’m reminded of a story about people who refuse to participate in this. Dec 24 22:28
schestowitz Even the production of missiles in Columbine is a good example of the ‘Death Pipeline’ Dec 24 22:29
neighborlee twitter, thats easy…they dont have to believe in global warming really, to understand that clean energy is the future..no one wants to pollute intentionaly unlesss of course those individuals are invested in said technologies of course, so its also not just the earth we are harming but future genomes so if they have any grand kids thats a killler to their arguement ;) Dec 24 22:29
twitter Oh, they were happy enough to participate in the beginning.  They know there’s so much resentment now that it’s just not worth it anymore. Dec 24 22:29
neighborlee I h ave no idea what my b rother thinks about such things but now im curiuos so ill ask him sometime ;) Dec 24 22:29
schestowitz I watched this helicopter pilot who refused to serve anymore because he led commandos to targeted assassinations. Dec 24 22:29
twitter Military people don’t have a way out. Dec 24 22:30
schestowitz twitter: it’s not just Arab resentment Dec 24 22:30
schestowitz Even Europe is shown (using polls) to have lost respect for American business and policies. Dec 24 22:30
schestowitz It’s harmful all around. Dec 24 22:30
twitter I know. Dec 24 22:30
schestowitz Wait until more dollars are dumped for Euro.. Dec 24 22:30
schestowitz That would hurt. Dec 24 22:31
schestowitz Re: Military people, true, esp. now. It’s hard enough to be hired for anything but military and armament Dec 24 22:31
twitter Like I said, it was disturbing. Dec 24 22:31
schestowitz I wonder what PJ is up to. She’s not answering people’s mail Dec 24 22:32
twitter I hope she’s on vacation. Dec 24 22:32
schestowitz _Doug speaks as though she’s gone for now. I don’t think it’s vacation. It’s organising backlog Dec 24 22:32
twitter Well, it was nice stopping by.  I’m going back to vacation myself. Dec 24 22:34
twitter I’ll read BN from time to time, but the next week or so will be spent with my wife and kids, then the inlaws who are much less toxic. Dec 24 22:34
schestowitz Wow. This is bizarre. I published almost nothing in BN today and we still got as much traffic as usua. Dec 24 22:36
twitter People probably don’t read everyday. Dec 24 22:37
schestowitz I was going to publish nothing, but nobody is taking a break, which I find annoying. Dec 24 22:37
twitter You keep looking at Groklaw, right? Dec 24 22:37
twitter Extinction takes time. Dec 24 22:37
schestowitz Almost nothinjg there. Dec 24 22:37
schestowitz I can’t see if she’s adding missing PDFs Dec 24 22:38
schestowitz Here’s the thing Dec 24 22:38
schestowitz Like with Beranger, once you get used to time off, then you find other things and may not be back to it at the same level of capacity Dec 24 22:38
schestowitz She used to post up to about 5 posts a day. Recently she was doing 1 a day (at most) and her traffic fell Dec 24 22:38
twitter Oh no.  I’ll be back the same as always until I get a job. Dec 24 22:39
schestowitz BN is 3100th on Netcraft’s scale. GL is 1200th Dec 24 22:39
schestowitz Here’s another thing. Dec 24 22:39
schestowitz I sent this E-mail before she stopped. Dec 24 22:40
schestowitz “Hi Pamela, I hope you don’t mind me asking a personal question, but I noticed that you publish just one article per day (less than you used to). Do you do work outside the site in order to pay the bills? I ask because I might need to follow a similar route. With kind Regards and happy thanksgiving!” Dec 24 22:40
twitter Hmmm.  Keep up the good work and have a Merry Christmas. Dec 24 22:41
schestowitz The “health break” (2007) was not really about health, so I am left suspicious. Dec 24 22:41
twitter My break is going to be all about Christmas. Dec 24 22:41
twitter later. Dec 24 22:41
*twitter has quit (“Leaving.”) Dec 24 22:41
schestowitz World Bank bans India outsourcer Satyam for 8 years < http://www.theregister.co.u… > Dec 24 22:42
schestowitz “News of the barring was first reported in October by Fox News, which further alleges World Bank investigators discovered spy software installed by one or more Satyam contractors on workstations in the bank’s Washington DC headquarters.” Dec 24 22:42
schestowitz From Bad to Ugly: Seattle Tech ’08 < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Fro… > Dec 24 22:45
schestowitz “Of course, at this point, the bigger question is whether Microsoft employees will keep their jobs, let alone their towel service.” http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Will_Mi… Dec 24 22:45
trmanco does anybody know free ldap servers? Dec 24 23:33
schestowitz Googling netted: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/li… . Centos would do Dec 24 23:36
schestowitz That Var Guy is on some illusion that Red Hat benefits from Wintel press, but I doubt a few articles in Ziff/Gates make so much difference. It’s nice to believe it though, no? :-) Dec 24 23:36
trmanco thanks Dec 24 23:55
trmanco http://www.openldap.org/ Dec 24 23:56
trmanco :) Dec 24 23:56
schestowitz I can imagine. Dec 24 23:56
schestowitz Is there a story coming about schools in Portugal escaping the wrath of the corruptible Gates-controlled regime? Dec 24 23:56
trmanco Nop, not yet Dec 24 23:58
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