Bonum Certa Men Certa

[Video] Lessons to be Learned From Gandi's Death (Total Webhosting Solutions B.V. Shaking Down Customers)

posted by Roy Schestowitz on Dec 14, 2023

Video download link | md5sum 9e444ed66e96e08087da1873c93f84b1
Lessons From the End of Gandi
Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works 4.0

Preview for Lessons From the End of Gandi

THE previous video (and corresponding/accompanying article) mentioned companies that are unable to make money but still exist.

3 days ago I saw this article about Gandi, with the key point highlighted below.

Before TWS bought Gandi, I paid about 11 EUR per year, for a .SE-domain. All domains also came with 3 free e-mail accounts, with 3 GB storage for each account. That all changed when TWS took over. My expenses for my domain and my e-mail, went from 11 EUR per year, to about 75 EUR per year. That’s a 681% (!) price increase.

I didn't even know it had been sold. Maybe they were relatively quiet about this, pretending it was business as usual. It clearly is not. As the above person put it "a 681% (!) price increase" isn't normal. No matter which "product" or "service"...

So we've decided to look into it and we've found this self-congratulating fluff claiming that "Gandi, the leading French domain name registrar, web and email hosting service, is joining forces with pan-European champion Total Webhosting Solutions" ("joining forces" is misleading!)

As noted in the video, I'm quite a Web person, having dealt for over 25 years with webhosts of various kinds (over 20 years with cPanel or VPS; I favour the latter these days, and never clown computing, which tends to be a proprietary trap vastly worse than cPanel). Gandi isn't entirely foreign to me, even if I was never a client of Gandi (I did check their prices and considered them several times since a decade ago).

People are gradually starting to realise the true cost of hosting on the Web. There's no free hosting and no cheap (not for long anyway) hosting. The other day this high-profile blogger said that he finally realised Microsoft and Google do not offer free hosting (it took years for the coin to drop), so he's migrating everything away from them. He said "the immediate motivation for the move is that Google has stopped allowing updates to "classic" sites.google.com, which I was using as my CDN for images. I figured that since I had to change my setup anyway, I may as well do a complete migration."

Microsoft (GitHub) is mentioned there too. This year there were several waves of GitHub layoffs, with entire teams culled and even a whole office shut down. Microsoft is cost-cutting, so code and Web page hosting aren't free or won't be free for much longer. Disregard the notion of "free hosting".

Going back to Gandi, what is the fate of existing (former) clients? Not good. Prognosis negative.

How much will it cost to move? That too should be taken into account when choosing a host. Don't fall into traps of "managed services", such as WordPress.com. Automattic, the parent company or steward of WordPress(.org), is trying to upload everything to "the clown" because it is modern [sic] and it is billing people for all sorts of things while putting ads in their pages, even against their will (unless/until they pay).

Not nice.

Remember: Nothing is free (gratis), especially when there are staff, hardware, electricity, and network bills. Someone needs to pay those bills. It's either temporarily "free" or you are the product.

Clown computing is the worst type of trap because after many companies, people and governments outsourced to it we see the prices going up sharply... all the time (never a price reduction, even when costs of hardware/storage/bandwidth go down). The bills for power sure go up, but not as fast as the invoices for "the clown" (this site's hosting will get 25% more expensive next year).

Going back to Gandi (again), in IRC we've learned that they deplatform easily (even denying access to one's own data, after shutdown without prior warning). Now they also rip off longtime clients, with nearly 700% price hikes.

So what will be left of Gandi's reputation? Why did Gandi sell? One person said to us: "It was one of the good registrars going back to near the beginning. Now it is vile."

The way we see it, the company operated at loss, then sold people to another company (customers sacrificed), just like GitHub did (it sold developers and projects to a very hostile Microsoft after running for about a decade without ever making a profit, only humongous losses).

Companies like Spotify are in a similar position, as price hikes may mean losing existing customers and thus not making up for the growing expenses. This means layoffs and other cuts become imperative. Netflix, like ClownFlare, is another example of this. ClownFlare is overall not profitable and one day ClownFlare will be put under pressure (from investors) to pressure all users, turning them into paying customers. How big would the backlash (exodus) be if that happened?

Assuming that (like ClownFlare) Gandi operated at a loss, how big a loss? Well, it's not easy to find this information for private companies (hard to check financial history, except in some countries where suitable registries exist).

Remember that if it is too cheap to believe (staff gets salaries, there are energy bills, legal bills and so on), then maybe the long-term plan is rather hostile. Or maybe it's a long-term bear trap, waiting to shut very tightly on your foot. Sometimes super-cheap is super-risky. Unless these firms live on borrowed time or some bank loan (or money from shareholders/pension schemes), they are "unofficially insolvent", not in perpetuity. I should know, as I worked for such a company... always losing, almost every year for the past decade or so. To the point of stealing money from the staff (pension fraud).

And Gandi?

Well, they suffered this deathblow in 2019. In their own words: "...we were reinvesting everything that we earned, that we didn't have debts or take out loans, etc. [...] and we have found a new investor in Montefiore Investment" (opportunist, liquidator).

And with webhosts, what typically happens when there's a shutdown is, they pass the servers to another owner, another brand. The original webhosts quietly vanish while the vultures see how much they can "monetise" what's left of the servers' tenants. They don't care about the customers; they have a plan to just "monetise" or shake the tree for windfall, attempting to squeeze out some more golden eggs from the goose.

Gandi won't be remembered kindly. People will remember what Montefiore Investment did to it (and to Gandi's customers).

Other Recent Techrights' Posts

[Meme] Walking Outside the Guardrails of the Walled Gardens Built by Monopolies
So-called "advertiser-unfriendly" material was never a problem for Wikileaks
This War Crime Footage, Nothing Political Per Se, Is What They Made Julian Assange Plead Guilty To (War Criminals Not Convicted, Only Those Who Expose Them)
Wikileaks' Julian Assange: Exposing the US Military Crimes
20 Years Passed, Let's Go Even Faster Now
We are hoping to bring more original stories
Windows Lost Almost 92% Market Share in Egypt
From over 99% to just over 7%
 
Alyssa Rosenzweig's LibrePlanet Talk About Freeing the Apple GPU
Alyssa Rosenzweig is the graphics witch behind the reverse-engineered drivers for the Apple GPU. She previously led Panfrost, the free drivers for Arm Mali GPUs powering devices like the Pinebook Pro. She graduated in 2023 with a Computer Science degree from the University of Toronto and now writes free software full-time.
Links 30/06/2024: LLMs Under Fire and Dictatorship of the Old
Links for the day
Microsoft’s Latest Antitrust Scrutiny
4 new stories
Microsoft Layoffs, Mass Plagiarism, and More
outrage included
GNU/Linux Climbed 0.25% This Month (in statCounter)
Around midday on Tuesday we'll start seeing preliminary data for July
Ilya Gulko Introduces Pollyanna
"Pollyanna is a web framework that makes it easy to create your own libre social space, such as a social network or blog."
'FSFE': Underage Labour, GAFAM Fronting, and Identity Theft to Undermine the FSF's Current Fundraiser
looking to raise funds at the same time as the FSF
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 29, 2024
IRC logs for Saturday, June 29, 2024
Links 29/06/2024: Astronauts at Risk, Ukraine Updates
Links for the day
Fedora and Red Hat Leftovers
mostly redhat.com
Microsoft is Now Googlebombing or Spamming 'Open Source' and 'Linux' to Promote Proprietary Surveillance, Azure
Notice the title and the image, what's being promoted etc.
Seychelles: GNU/Linux Doing OK
Seychelles cannot be considered poor
Gemini Protocol Isn't Even Remotely "Dead"
"Lupa knows of 505,000 (half a million!) working Gemini URLs at present, up from about 425,000 this time last year"
About 10 New Free Software Foundation (FSF) Members Per Day
The total changed from 46 to 47 while typing the article
Vista 11 Adoption Unusually Low in Germany and It's Going Down, Not Up
This is not happening only in Germany
Kevin Korte on Computers Being Allowed to Make Decisions Based on Cryptic Algorithms and Proprietary/Secret Data
It uses buzzwords where none are needed
[Meme] Garbage In, Garbage Out (linuxsecurity.com)
It is neither Linux nor security, just chatbot-generated slop
Microsoft-Invaded CISA Spreads Anti-Free Software FUD (as If Proprietary Software Has No Memory Safety Issues), Brittany Day Uses Chatbots to Amplify and Permutate the Microsoft FUD
linuxsecurity.com became an anti-Linux spam site
Microsoft Laying Off Staff in an Act of Retaliation and Union-Busting
retaliatory layoffs at Microsoft
Gemini Links 29/06/2024: Content Drowning in 'Goo' and LLM Slop
Links for the day
In Ecuador, GNU/Linux Adoption Surged From Under 1% to Over 4% in About 3 Years
Not even counting Chromebooks
LibrePlanet: Cultivating Backups (of Recordings)
an appeal to recover some of these talks
Microsoft/Windows Machines Are Turned Off (or Windows Deleted/Decommissioned) in Web Servers, as the "Market Share" Collapse Continues
Taking full history into account, this is a decrease of over 90% in some cases
Corwin Brust Hosting Freedom: A Behind-the-scenes Tour With the GNU Savannah Hackers
"the "smiling faces" behind it."
Android at 90% or More in Chad
Windows below 2%
David Wilson: Cultivating a Welcoming Free Software Community That Lasts
"a feeling of shared ownership for all users."
Julian Assange Might Continue Wikileaks, But Certainly Not Yet (Recovery Time Needed)
And probably at a symbolic capacity only
Bringing in 12 Santas and Taking 13 Out (Old Interview With Julian Assange)
Julian Assange's life inside the Ecuadorian embassy
Neil Plotnick on GNU/Linux in the High School Classroom
uploaded to the LibrePlanet instance of MediaGoblin
Asia Appears to be Fastest to Adopt GNU/Linux
the home of a considerable majority of the world's population
Alexandre Oliva's LibrePlanet 2024 Talk About "Software Enshittification"
in spite of technical difficulties encountered while recording
What They Used to Do With Mono They Now Do With Systemd (Lower and Deeper Down Than Userspace)
Now we have a project started primarily by Red Hat (and managed by Microsoft GitHub, which is proprietary) being managed by Microsoft and primarily serving Microsoft and IBM
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Friday, June 28, 2024
IRC logs for Friday, June 28, 2024
Links 28/06/2024: Kangaroo Courts and Patents Spam, EFF Still Fighting for CPC's TikTok (a Digital Weapon)
Links for the day
Links 28/06/2024: Overton window and Polarization
Links for the day
[Meme] In 50 Years...
Microsoft's Vista 11 will take 50 years to be fully adopted
Only About 1 in 8 Russian Windows Users is Using Vista 11
it looks like over the past 12 months Vista 11 hardly grew and it remains very low at around 12% of Windows usage in Russia
Links 28/06/2024: More Attacks on the Press, More Censorship in Russia
Links for the day
Gemini Links 28/06/2024: Christmas Prematurely, Self-hosting
Links for the day
IBM: So Long, Suckers. Your Free OS is Now Proprietary. Pay IBM or Else.
almost exactly a year after turning RHEL into proprietary software
Vista 11 is Doomed and Despite Lack of Adoption Microsoft Already Speaks of Vapourware ("12")
"Microsoft has pulled a Windows 11 update after users reported boot loops and startup failures."
ChromeOS Reaches Highest Share in Years at the World's Most Populous Nation, Windows Now at All-Time Low of 13%
We're talking about India today
[Video] "It Is Incredible That Julian Assange Survives"
There was a positive and mutual relationship between Wikileaks and Dr Jill Stein
Never Assume That Because the Law Exists the Powerful Will Follow the Law
Who's going to hold them accountable now?
Nearly a Month Has Passed and Nobody at the Debian Project Even Attempted to Explain What Seems Like Back-dooring of Debian (and Hundreds of Distros That Are Debian-Derived)
I can cynically guess that only matters when a user with a Chinese name does it
[Video] Julian Assange Explains Wikileaks' Logistics
predating indefinite detention
IBM Was Never the "Good Guy", Just a Self-Serving and Opportunistic Money- and Power-Hungry Monopolist, Living Off of Taxpayers' Money (Government Contracts)
The Nazi Party of Germany was its second-biggest client at one point and now it's looking to profit from the work of slaves
"I Hated Working at IBM. They Were the Most Unfriendly People."
Don't forget what Watson the son did to a poor woman on a plane
State of the News (and Depletion of Journalism Online, Not Just Offline)
Newspapers are not coming back and the Web is not coming back either
GNU/Linux Consolidates in North America
Android rising a lot this year, too
[Meme] More Monopolies Granted While Patent Examiners Die (Overworking for Less Compensation)
Work more; Get less
Staff Union of the EPO (SUEPO) is Taking the New Pension Scheme (NPS) to an International Tribunal (ILOAT)
SUEPO wants more EPO staff to participate in collective action
Stella Assange and the Legal Team Speak to the Media a Day After WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Arrives in Australia
Published yesterday by a number of mainstream publishers
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 27, 2024
IRC logs for Thursday, June 27, 2024
RIP Daniel Bristot de Oliveira, Red Hat death
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock