| tessier_ | I know you do daily links and IIRC there's a ton of those also. | Jan 10 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | I could assign a number to each, to symbolise magnitude or whatever. | Jan 10 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: turn your phone to Android: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/319/1... | Jan 10 00:06 |
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| GoblinRFD | Hi Roy! | Jan 10 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | Think of it as G1 without the lock (that's the premium). | Jan 10 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, GoblinRFD. Did you see the last post? | Jan 10 00:09 |
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| GoblinRFD | Not yet. Looking in a mo. Am I right in thinking you are compiling a list of people who are alleged to have received free laptops? | Jan 10 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Read it now. | Jan 10 00:09 |
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| GoblinRFD | ok | Jan 10 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's relevant | Jan 10 00:10 |
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| GoblinRFD | Interesting lookup result! - This really is the Indiana Gregg incident all over again. Is Novell so silly as to not even attempt to hide its IP? | Jan 10 00:12 |
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| MinceR | if they weren't so inept, they wouldn't have become a tool for m$ | Jan 10 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 10 00:14 |
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| GoblinRFD | Another great post to add to the collection Roy. Im sure you will get loads of libelous abuse because of it (a good indicator that youve hit the truth) | Jan 10 00:15 |
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| GoblinRFD | Roy, Ive been away from here for a while, "doing my bit" and have received an interesting email (and a few pieces of info) on our completely truthful bloggers that recieved MS "gifts" | Jan 10 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | I flagged all the older comments from that chap as "coming from Novell headquarters" or something. | Jan 10 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Really? | Jan 10 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Got a copy? | Jan 10 00:17 |
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| GoblinRFD | Firstly, I was informed by my emailer you were collecting a list of laptop recievers...is that correct? | Jan 10 00:17 |
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| GoblinRFD | If so, you may wish to add: John Obeto ...... link to follow. | Jan 10 00:18 |
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| GoblinRFD | http://absolutevista.com/blogs/absolutevi... | Jan 10 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Jan 10 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | I think I know the guy | Jan 10 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Subnet? | Jan 10 00:19 |
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| GoblinRFD | Now whats interesting on this page is that, there is a poster called "adacosta"...could this be my good mate Andre Da Costa. | Jan 10 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | Ha! | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| GoblinRFD | but it goes deeper! | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | I think that's him. He attacks Linux. | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Wait.. | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Let me check to be sure. | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| GoblinRFD | Andre da Costa claims on his blog he wasnt at the PDC 2008 | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| GoblinRFD | I took a screen grab of his blog incase he changed it. | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| GoblinRFD | however: | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| GoblinRFD | according to this site: | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Ha! | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that's him!! | Jan 10 00:20 |
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| GoblinRFD | http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com... | Jan 10 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | He attacks Linux A LOT | Jan 10 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | And now it turns out that MS bribes him too | Jan 10 00:21 |
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| GoblinRFD | this site claims that Andre was there and have quoted him making a comment about WIn 7 | Jan 10 00:21 |
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| GoblinRFD | Roy, I believe the person sending me this stuff (and theres more to come) is a little apprehensive in giving it out openly. He has asked me to pass around, and obviously I will. | Jan 10 00:23 |
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| GoblinRFD | Hes a decent chap, and he is an honest individual with a keen interest in the truth (like yourself) | Jan 10 00:23 |
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| GoblinRFD | Alot of the stuff is not suitable for my blog, since I consider my blog to be more of an overview, whilst yours is in depth. I think my blogs future is more challenging unhanded techniques on a poster to poster basis, whilst yours delves into the finer points and inner workings. As I say, there is more to come. | Jan 10 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.co... | Jan 10 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Can you pass me that mail? | Jan 10 00:27 |
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| GoblinRFD | sorry afk for a second | Jan 10 00:30 |
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| GoblinRFD | yep, but in terms of the sender, Ill have to check with him first. | Jan 10 00:31 |
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| GoblinRFD | if you would like, I can PM you the contents of the email now. | Jan 10 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jan 10 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Please. | Jan 10 00:32 |
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| *Received a DCC CHAT offer from GoblinRFD | Jan 10 00:32 |
| GoblinRFD | you should have it now. | Jan 10 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | Got it. | Jan 10 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | Saves. | Jan 10 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | LOL | Jan 10 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | Good ones | Jan 10 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | You can do me a favour, which would help you too | Jan 10 00:36 |
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| GoblinRFD | go for it | Jan 10 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | I posted about 50 posts about shills with proofs or examples. | Jan 10 00:36 |
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| *DCC CHAT connect attempt to GoblinRFD failed (err=Connection timed out). | Jan 10 00:36 |
| schestowitz | If you can track them down and build an index, that would be worth putting up as a static page | Jan 10 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | They link to one another, so by following URLs forwards and backwards you'll sooner or later find them all | Jan 10 00:37 |
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| GoblinRFD | Great idea, Ive got plenty, and as you can see from the mail that chap is certainly helping highlight them. | Jan 10 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | I write many posts, but unlike Groklaw, I rarely take time to tidy them up and sort them by topic. | Jan 10 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post a couple more tomorrow. | Jan 10 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | I want to do some links (Linux news) | Jan 10 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Before I fall asleep on the desk | Jan 10 00:38 |
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| GoblinRFD | Ive made quite a few friendships with my blog, and I have quite a few people informing me when I am being insulted. | Jan 10 00:38 |
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| GoblinRFD | np, Ill speak with you tomorrow more. | Jan 10 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Cool! | Jan 10 00:38 |
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| GoblinRFD | Ive got my guilty pleasure to indulge in now...... | Jan 10 00:38 |
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| GoblinRFD | World of Warcraft! | Jan 10 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Some people have already volunteered for some indexes | Jan 10 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | Wine? | Jan 10 00:38 |
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| GoblinRFD | Yep! | Jan 10 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | That's OK | Jan 10 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | Don't drink /too/ much | Jan 10 00:39 |
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| GoblinRFD | Recent article on my site: "World of Winecraft" - highlighting how much better it is through Wine | Jan 10 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | It leads to leaks.. memory leaks. | Jan 10 00:39 |
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| GoblinRFD | a guilty pleasure, which I hope doesnt make me a lesser person!!!!!! and if anyone wants to argue, Ill take em on with my level 38 Pally!!!! | Jan 10 00:40 |
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| GoblinRFD | Goodnight Roy, speak to you tomorrow. | Jan 10 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Jan 10 00:41 |
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| tessier_ | I need to flash my freerunner and try using it for a while. | Jan 10 00:52 |
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| tessier_ | I've had it for 6 months now and never really used it. | Jan 10 00:52 |
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| tessier_ | The software still needs a lot of work. | Jan 10 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | It's the hardware that counts | Jan 10 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | G1 is tivoised | Jan 10 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | OpenMoko is open for you to 'wipe' when you want to test the distro du jour | Jan 10 00:53 |
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| schestowitz | Or build you own :-) | Jan 10 00:53 |
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| tessier_ | Yep. | Jan 10 00:54 |
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| tessier_ | And I've wiped my openmoko a couple of times now. | Jan 10 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | That's good | Jan 10 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | Who wouldn't thunk it 10 years ago? | Jan 10 00:55 |
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| schestowitz | Phone=whitebox | Jan 10 00:55 |
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| tessier_ | It's just barely possible now. | Jan 10 00:55 |
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| schestowitz | "Dude, how's the hardware detection on your handset? Have you compiled a new kernel on it?" | Jan 10 00:55 |
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| tessier_ | The freerunner doesn't have a camera or do 3g because there are no open chipsets for them to choose. | Jan 10 00:56 |
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| MinceR | gn | Jan 10 01:26 |
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| PetoKraus | gn | Jan 10 01:32 |
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| tessier_ | btrfs has been merged into Linus' mainline kernel! Yeay! | Jan 10 01:41 |
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| tessier_ | btrfs is Linux's answer to ZFS. This is a significant event. | Jan 10 01:41 |
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| PetoKraus | why is it better than jfs/ | Jan 10 01:41 |
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| schestowitz | It has more letters | Jan 10 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | It even gets pronounced BETTER FS | Jan 10 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | Or Butter | Jan 10 01:43 |
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| tessier_ | PetoKraus: It is way different from jfs. | Jan 10 01:45 |
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| tessier_ | PetoKraus: In the same way that ZFS is way different from JFS. | Jan 10 01:45 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Jan 10 01:45 |
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| PetoKraus | so... what's the benefits for me, home user, with one 160GB HDD | Jan 10 01:45 |
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| tessier_ | For one thing it obsoletes hardware RAID which I really like. It totally changes the way we do LVM/MD(RAID)/filesystem | Jan 10 01:45 |
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| PetoKraus | that's my question ;) | Jan 10 01:45 |
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| tessier_ | The benefits are many. First we can assume you don't value availability because you only have on HDD. :) | Jan 10 01:45 |
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| tessier_ | If you don't have backups of that data (right now where is your backup?) then we can assume your data isn't important either so we can do whatever we want with it. :) | Jan 10 01:46 |
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| tessier_ | But seriously, snapshots, faster performance, subvolumes, there are many things which you would benefit from. | Jan 10 01:46 |
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| PetoKraus | which servers would benefit from | Jan 10 01:46 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd benefit from faster performance only | Jan 10 01:47 |
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| tessier_ | You don't use multiple filesystems? You dump everything on / ? | Jan 10 01:47 |
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| PetoKraus | / /home /boot | Jan 10 01:47 |
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| PetoKraus | but yes | Jan 10 01:48 |
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| tessier_ | So btrfs would allow you to manage your space more easily. LVM works but resizing on the fly only works for expansion. | Jan 10 01:49 |
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| tessier_ | It also makes multiple copies of important meta-data which is safer. | Jan 10 01:49 |
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| PetoKraus | i see the point in other environments | Jan 10 01:51 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: small difference for average home users, IMHO. Does btrfs reuse fs code from Linux? Which implementation? | Jan 10 01:59 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: No it does not. It is a completely fresh implementation. | Jan 10 02:01 |
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| tessier_ | And eventually average homeusers will probably be running btrfs whether they like it or not. | Jan 10 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds wsteful. | Jan 10 02:02 |
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| tessier_ | I suspect it will ultimately be the default in many distributions. | Jan 10 02:02 |
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| tessier_ | Wasteful how? There wasn't much to be salvaged. It works very differently. | Jan 10 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | Oracle powa | Jan 10 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | MS FSs stay primitive and fragmented | Jan 10 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | They promised in 2001 what they called WinFS | Jan 10 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | No word about it still.. not even in Vista Service Pack 7. | Jan 10 02:03 |
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| tessier_ | btrfs also has checksums all throughout the filesystem so that data corruption can be found. The size of drives are going up but the uncorrectable error rate is staying the same. | Jan 10 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | It's amazing that more or less one guy manages this. | Jan 10 02:03 |
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| tessier_ | It is now possible to build a RAID5 that is likely to be impossible to rebuild in the event of a disk failure. That is a big problem. | Jan 10 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | I know another one who tried and went insane. | Jan 10 02:04 |
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| tessier_ | heh.... | Jan 10 02:04 |
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| tessier_ | I think he started out insane. | Jan 10 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 10 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | At least btsfs isn't called Masonix. | Jan 10 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | *btrfs | Jan 10 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | Or... | Jan 10 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 10 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | FreeMasonix | Jan 10 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | Freemason. | Jan 10 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | Secret societies and all... like Hans and that wife-swapping cult. | Jan 10 02:05 |
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| tessier_ | FreeMasonix...hahaha....that would drive the Linux using conspiracy theorists absolutely nuts! | Jan 10 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's Free... It's Chris Mason... it's... Linux! | Jan 10 02:11 |
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| PetoKraus | gn mates | Jan 10 02:15 |
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| tessier_ | night | Jan 10 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | me stuck doing links | Jan 10 03:04 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Jan 10 07:29 |
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| Omar87 | So why doesn't Microsoft just buy Novell? | Jan 10 07:29 |
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| Omar87 | Instead of Yahoo that is. | Jan 10 07:29 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Why would MS buy Novell? They dont' want to own anything Novell does. They just want to use Novell. | Jan 10 07:33 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Microsoft doesn't want any GPL-based products | Jan 10 07:33 |
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| PetoKraus | mornin | Jan 10 08:27 |
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| PetoKraus | wrk wrk :) | Jan 10 08:27 |
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| PetoKraus | is the Palm's OS open source? | Jan 10 08:34 |
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| ushimitsudoki | i don't think so | Jan 10 08:37 |
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| PetoKraus | why is it listed as "Linux Debut" then? | Jan 10 08:39 |
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| ushimitsudoki | oh? is this a new something? link? | Jan 10 08:39 |
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| PetoKraus | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | Jan 10 08:40 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: ping ;) | Jan 10 08:40 |
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| ushimitsudoki | ah i guess the new "webOS" has a linux kernel | Jan 10 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: if Microsoft buys Novell, then everyone loses trust in Novell and gives it no room for mono-spreading and such. | Jan 10 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: yes, it has Linux in it, be it open or closed | Jan 10 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | If they alter the kernel, they'll need to share the patches or be getting those bangings on the door from gpl-violations | Jan 10 09:07 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: yeah, same old story | Jan 10 09:07 |
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| PetoKraus | i hope they are sane | Jan 10 09:07 |
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| PetoKraus | and are not gonna force any lawsuit on them | Jan 10 09:08 |
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| tessier | Old Palm-OS wasn't open source. | Jan 10 09:12 |
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| tessier | The new Linux based one is probably somewhat FLOSS but I bet Palm fucks up again by layering a ton of proprietary goop on it that no developers want to deal with. | Jan 10 09:13 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: You're gonna love this: http://www.just.edu.jo/opensource/... | Jan 10 09:38 |
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| Omar87 | Hey everyone, the link I just gave Roy contains photos from our Linux install festival a couple of days ago, check 'em out! :) | Jan 10 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | I saw seomthing about Jordan the other day | Jan 10 09:40 |
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| Omar87 | BTW, I'm the one with the huge orange coat. | Jan 10 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | I think it was yesterday's post about anti-Linux. | Jan 10 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's memos. | Jan 10 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | Wait.. | Jan 10 09:40 |
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| Omar87 | ok | Jan 10 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, cool. Nice setting, too. | Jan 10 09:41 |
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| schestowitz | Search this page for "Jordan": http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/0... | Jan 10 09:41 |
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| Omar87 | Thanks. :) | Jan 10 09:41 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft plays you for fools/tools. | Jan 10 09:42 |
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| schestowitz | It does this in many countries. | Jan 10 09:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Free" srugs. | Jan 10 09:42 |
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| schestowitz | durgs | Jan 10 09:42 |
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| schestowitz | *drugs | Jan 10 09:42 |
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| Omar87 | Yeah. :) | Jan 10 09:49 |
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| Omar87 | Hopefully, our fight against them will be effective. | Jan 10 09:49 |
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| Omar87 | All we have to do is keep pushing through continuous arrangements of events like this. | Jan 10 09:51 |
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| Omar87 | For example, next semester, we'll be holding our yearly open source day. | Jan 10 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | I'll carry on documenting dumping techniques. These prove helpful to some, even in the mainstream press. | Jan 10 10:00 |
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| tessier | dumping techniques? | Jan 10 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah.. :-) | Jan 10 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | Bill Gates Invades the Land of Linus, Uses Dumping Techniques : http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/17/finlan... | Jan 10 10:25 |
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| schestowitz | Now we can align internal document with evidence from the press. | Jan 10 10:25 |
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| PeterKraus | hello lads | Jan 10 10:29 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Here's the link again, just in case you wanted to use it as resource for any further posts. http://www.just.edu.jo/opensource/article.php?id=41 ;) | Jan 10 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I have it ready for posting later | Jan 10 10:39 |
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| Omar87 | Great. :) | Jan 10 10:39 |
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| PeterKraus | Omar87: nice wee article | Jan 10 10:42 |
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| Omar87 | PeterKraus: excuse me?: :) | Jan 10 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/10/... | Jan 10 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | wee=small | Jan 10 10:50 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: oh, okay. :) | Jan 10 10:50 |
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| PeterKraus | Omar87: i'm just talking about the linked story | Jan 10 10:59 |
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| kentma1 | "wee willie winky" | Jan 10 11:03 |
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| kentma1 | in his nightgown | Jan 10 11:04 |
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| kentma1 | etc. | Jan 10 11:04 |
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| ZigggyFish | hello | Jan 10 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Microsoft corrupted Hungary education. Wanna see? | Jan 10 12:16 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: i think i've seen some of it but i'm interested in more evidence | Jan 10 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/10/ho... | Jan 10 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post more later, also about Hungarian education | Jan 10 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://asiajin.com/blog/2009/01/10/so... | Jan 10 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | "The FBI has been forced to transfer agents from its counter-terrorism divisions to work on Bernard Madoff's alleged $50 billion fraud scheme as victims of the biggest scam in the world continue to emerge." http://business.timesonline.co.uk... | Jan 10 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22582/1148/ "To me, as a person of Indian origin, the news about the massive fraud at Satyam , the Indian outsourcing company which has fairly large contracts in Australia, not to mention the US and the UK among others, comes as no surprise." | Jan 10 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | Nice video demo of the Palm device: http://www.osnews.com/story/20747/Pa... | Jan 10 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | Dana trolls for traffic with a hostile headline: Is Palm webOS too little and too late? < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-s... > | Jan 10 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | Open source bloggers catch up with Peter O’Kelly, who picks up his reward now: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1790 (attack ODF, then get paid by the convicted monopolist) | Jan 10 13:36 |
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| ushimitsudoki1 | From that Dana article: "One thing I’ve learned covering open source for four years here is that it is often the business model of last resort." | Jan 10 13:37 |
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| ushimitsudoki1 | is there any real examples of that? | Jan 10 13:37 |
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| *ushimitsudoki1 is now known as ushimitsudoki | Jan 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz | He's saying that a lot | Jan 10 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | He's no friend of FOSS | Jan 10 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | It's ZDNet | Jan 10 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | Just look at L'Unix blog ('Paul Murphy'). It's anti-Linux. | Jan 10 13:38 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I'm just wondering if there are some examples of a company failing, making some sort of OSS push, and then going out of business? | Jan 10 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | I know many proprietary companies that die all the time. | Jan 10 13:38 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Yeah, but he's making it out like this is a common occurance: "Too often open source is to business what patriotism is to a politician, the last refuge of a scoundrel. In both cases the innocent concept is harmed by those hiding behind it." | Jan 10 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know what to make of it. | Jan 10 13:39 |
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| schestowitz | It sometimes feels like very obviously he just writes for hits, because that's what he's paid for. | Jan 10 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | And he even admits that cetain thing evoke more emotion. | Jan 10 13:40 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I think I will post the question in that article - I'm a bit unsure what to make of that assertion as well | Jan 10 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | So if you look at his headline, you'll see a pattern | Jan 10 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | He always questions open source... in an "Open Source" blog. | Jan 10 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | He uses Windows BTW. | Jan 10 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | Proprietary apps... but he said he would try using some open source ones. | Jan 10 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | If you post that question, then you feed him. He'd do more of the same. | Jan 10 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | There was a period of time when almost nobody commented | Jan 10 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | It put him in a squeeze (maybe job at risk) | Jan 10 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | He said that they are paid also for criteria like # of comments | Jan 10 13:42 |
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| ushimitsudoki | ah | Jan 10 13:42 |
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| ushimitsudoki | i see | Jan 10 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know if he began provoking more after that point (early 2008, IIRC), but ht sort of 'recovered' | Jan 10 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | Never trust ZDNet! | Jan 10 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | Never. | Jan 10 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | They don't write for truth | Jan 10 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | They wirte for $$ | Jan 10 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Truth does not make ## | Jan 10 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | $$ | Jan 10 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | Comments make $$ | Jan 10 13:43 |
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| ushimitsudoki | maybe i will blog it then ... it's not a big point, I was just wondering if there were any actual examples of what he is talking about | Jan 10 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | So it 'incentivises' provocation | Jan 10 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | If it were not for Shane paying the hosting bill of BN I'd removed the ads a long time ago. | Jan 10 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Woohoo!!! | Jan 10 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/P-I_m... | Jan 10 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | So that must be why Todd Bishop escaped. Microsoft's fan press is dying. | Jan 10 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm.. the author is "By John Cook", but it's in Todd's blog, with his bio too. | Jan 10 13:49 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Jan 10 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | Apple and Microsoft are one: Apple, Microsoft: Best frenemies < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/App... > | Jan 10 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | Environment activists get kicked out: http://www.pcworld.com/article/156848/.htm... | Jan 10 14:05 |
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| ushimitsudoki | i did a little blog about the ZDNet article, nothing fire-y, just asking for cites: http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/op... | Jan 10 14:12 |
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| ushimitsudoki | don't want to jump to any conclusions | Jan 10 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Jan 10 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | Saves us all the trouble of doing a rebuttal. Just linking to one.. | Jan 10 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | I think that Susan Linton (TuxMachines) reads you. | Jan 10 14:14 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I just recall some talk from a smaller country on the OLPC that they didn't want to be a "dumping ground" for linux machines - the implication being that win xp olpc was desired | Jan 10 14:14 |
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| ushimitsudoki | and i think the zdnet sort of ties into or feeds that mindset | Jan 10 14:15 |
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| ushimitsudoki | that's why it raised a flag for me | Jan 10 14:15 |
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| ushimitsudoki | yeah tuxmachines is a good site | Jan 10 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | My favourite news site. | Jan 10 14:15 |
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| schestowitz | Wolvix needs help: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linu... | Jan 10 14:21 |
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| schestowitz | "I've got the bill postponed until Monday 05.01.2009. It won't help me much, but I won't loose the connection until then. Also Oithona has offered me to upload the site and forums to his private web host, so I'll put the site up there before I go offline.]]" | Jan 10 14:21 |
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| schestowitz | "Interesting and reasonably balanced article on the endless and fruitless debate Novell is generating. I'm not aware that the author sought any input from Sun; I'd be pleased to explore some of the things he's asked." < http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/th... > | Jan 10 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Obama picks RIAA's favorite lawyer for a top Justice post [Simon:] Well, at least this shows Obama's team isn't unduly influenced by the opinions of key supporters. Pretty bad news for progressive thinking, though." | Jan 10 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Police set to step up hacking of home PCs [Simon:] Oh for goodness sake, surely someone has both a clue and a conscience in British politics? Most upsetting phrase? "step up". They are already doing it." http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/ent... | Jan 10 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | I heard of a brother of a friend who wanted to work for the MI5 and got accepted. He was a cracker. | Jan 10 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/01/mic... "So either they're saying that they didn't expect Windows 7 beta to be popular and their infrastructure doesn't scale, or they've let this happen on purpose to generate a little buzz. In other words, in order to make Windows 7 desirable, first you make it unobtainable...." | Jan 10 14:46 |
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| ushimitsudoki | You can believe MS will me working PR overtime for Win7. They really dont' want another PR failure like Vista was | Jan 10 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | Any word of WebOS/Palm price? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS34... | Jan 10 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: I posted this in the morning: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/1... (it summarises by bringing together older posts as well) | Jan 10 14:50 |
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| ushimitsudoki | yeah i saw that ... i even read a few of that dude obeto's posts. that's not even subtle shilling ... in one he called vista "the best OS in the known universe" or some such hyperbole | Jan 10 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Wow(C) | Jan 10 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | Last night: Microsoft delays first Windows 7 public beta < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... > | Jan 10 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is poor like Wolvix... it need to 'prepare' for downloads | Jan 10 14:57 |
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| ushimitsudoki | Yeah, I think that dude from opendotdotdot hit that nail right on the head - it's just a tactic to make it look like the demand is even higher for the beta | Jan 10 14:57 |
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| ushimitsudoki | not that i don't think MS fans are eager to see the beta ... just that the tactic is to amplify that feeling | Jan 10 14:58 |
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| schestowitz | Sun's bash has just been canceled: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... | Jan 10 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about Gavin Clarke before. | Jan 10 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | He's there in the Register promoting Microsoft's 'party line' a little too often and it became more apparent when he started his podcast series with Mary Jo Foley. | Jan 10 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | Indian Government to Appoint Satyam Board Members < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156795/in... > | Jan 10 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Palm and Sony Trump Apple < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156823... > < coming from Windows fan (self-professed almost), Mike Elgan | Jan 10 15:12 |
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| MinceR | so Mike Elgan was in the "hate" phase of the love-hate little microsoft cycle when he wrote that? | Jan 10 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | Mono poison - new video promoting it: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T5HOSWBu3mI | Jan 10 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | From "cobbweb".. | Jan 10 15:14 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Wow, I see the channel is growing and the number of visitors is increasing. ;) | Jan 10 15:21 |
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| Omar87 | I'm happy for that. :) | Jan 10 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks! We hopefully impact things for the better. | Jan 10 15:22 |
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| PeterKraus | uuh, HP seems to have unveiled new toys | Jan 10 15:22 |
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| schestowitz | 160-170,000 hits per day, on average | Jan 10 15:22 |
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| PeterKraus | DV3Z - 13.3" ultraportable amd-puma based laptops | Jan 10 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | Linux option? | Jan 10 15:23 |
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| PeterKraus | the two things why i'm not buying it right away is: no ieee1394, no money | Jan 10 15:23 |
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| PeterKraus | schestowitz: good joke. | Jan 10 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | Here's why I ask: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/11... | Jan 10 15:24 |
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| MinceR | hm the Pre does have some interesting qualities i've missed | Jan 10 15:25 |
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| PeterKraus | schestowitz: nice! | Jan 10 15:27 |
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| PeterKraus | MinceR: you know what i like most about the design? | Jan 10 15:27 |
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| PeterKraus | TACTILE RESPONSE! | Jan 10 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I'm posting the stuff about Hungary | Jan 10 15:28 |
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| MinceR | yeah, it has a real keyboard | Jan 10 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | I need you to do me a favour and just read it to spot typos. | Jan 10 15:29 |
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| PeterKraus | MinceR: you are saying it as if it was nothing special | Jan 10 15:30 |
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| PeterKraus | ;)( | Jan 10 15:30 |
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| MinceR | well, i have a qtek 9100 | Jan 10 15:30 |
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| MinceR | so it's not so special to me :> | Jan 10 15:30 |
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| PeterKraus | :) | Jan 10 15:31 |
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| PeterKraus | i just like some vendors remained sane | Jan 10 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's posted now. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Jan 10 15:32 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: checking | Jan 10 15:34 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: i see nothing wrong with the main text | Jan 10 15:38 |
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| MinceR | (haven't read the appendix yet) | Jan 10 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | Fewer people read it. | Jan 10 15:38 |
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| schestowitz | It's good for archival purposes. I also put the full text in USENET where people will hopefully read and discuss. Microsoft really does not want this to become common knowledge; it would get them in legal mud, potentially. The EC is/was aware of it. | Jan 10 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: it feels like the Microsoft Munckins from USENET got laid off or something. | Jan 10 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Microsof... | Jan 10 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's one vote short of front page. If only I knew who "komrad" is... he submits many links to us... another person in Mixx does the same. | Jan 10 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | LXer doesn't fancy us as much as LinuxToday.. and even Slashdot | Jan 10 15:45 |
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| trmanco | yeah, some | Jan 10 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | I have just 3 unread items in Seattle P-I Microsoft blog. | Jan 10 15:47 |
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| trmanco | its not what is use to be | Jan 10 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | ALL 3 of them are about VISTA 7 | Jan 10 15:47 |
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| trmanco | for now | Jan 10 15:47 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Jan 10 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | I'm glad this publication is dying, as posted a moment ago in BN | Jan 10 15:47 |
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| trmanco | bbl | Jan 10 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | It's like an advertising blog sometimes. | Jan 10 15:48 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: the "large table" pages do contain some OCR errors, i'm not sure if that's a problem | Jan 10 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | Marty Jo Foley: 3 items unread | Jan 10 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | 2/3 are about VISTA 7 | Jan 10 15:49 |
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| MinceR | like "_S.!.n_.g_a_p_or__e3" | Jan 10 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | She must be nervous these days... she already has her own domain registered, as though she prepared to leave ZDNet | Jan 10 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | She already left Ziff Davis after their bankruptcy (or just before) and then landed in ZDNet | Jan 10 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | Todd Bishop just of Seattle P-I before it's imminent death.. and now he's in TechFlash. | Jan 10 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | *jumped | Jan 10 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | *its | Jan 10 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I didn't do the tables because it's too much work. I took screenshots the last time, but it's a lot of work for too little gain. | Jan 10 15:52 |
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| MinceR | ok | Jan 10 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | "_S.!.n_.g_a_p_or__e" -- is that the file I need to download for a cracked version of Vista7? | Jan 10 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Vista7: "Just like Vista, cr4ck3d by _S.!.n_.g_a_p_or__" | Jan 10 15:53 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jan 10 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | Anarchoblogs is back << http://mutualist.blogspot.com/200... >> | Jan 10 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: nice new picture in the blog | Jan 10 16:41 |
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| trmanco | back | Jan 10 17:33 |
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| twitter | good morning. Great EDGI work! | Jan 10 17:42 |
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| twitter | M$'s pollution of school systems is really grating. | Jan 10 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | I have several more | Jan 10 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | EDGI is part of a series. I'll connect them at the end. | Jan 10 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | If we lay the ground by linking and grouping the exhibits, then we can sort of reverse-engineer the case that Comes never had the change to establish and present (Microsoft settled within weeks). | Jan 10 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | bbl (in 2.5 hours) | Jan 10 17:45 |
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| trmanco | http://tuxgeek.me/2009/01/windo... | Jan 10 17:45 |
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| NeonFloss | if anyone wants to help me write a letter/package trying to persuade the local school board in my area to switch to Linux the please msg me. Thanks (: | Jan 10 17:54 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Thanks. :) | Jan 10 17:55 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: The one with the olive green sweater you mean? | Jan 10 17:56 |
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| twitter | Neon, look into the Indiana school system. http://slashdot.org/~twitte... | Jan 10 17:59 |
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| twitter | Talk to the people who did the program and see if they can share their material. | Jan 10 18:00 |
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| twitter | Good luck! | Jan 10 18:00 |
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| NeonFloss | thanks! | Jan 10 18:01 |
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| NeonFloss | great | Jan 10 18:01 |
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| DarkUranium | hi | Jan 10 18:04 |
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| twitter | http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081229 | Jan 10 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, the previous one lacked clarity. | Jan 10 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | hi, DarkUranium | Jan 10 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: this one is a vote short of front page: http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Microsoft... | Jan 10 21:09 |
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| DarkUranium | sry, was AFK | Jan 10 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Reader says: "Bravo for that transcription work - most of those PDFs are too low-res to OCR, so I know just how much work goes into doing that. The very great advantage of publishing the full text is that it is indexed immediately by Google." | Jan 10 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | "I'm convinced there are dozens if not hundreds more interesting documents in the Comes list waiting to bre analyzed & transcribed, and even 5 years later are of value to MS customers, competitors, and users..." I already have about 30 more stacked up for processing. | Jan 10 21:57 |
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| Tallken | hey schestowitz | Jan 10 21:59 |
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| Tallken | you there? | Jan 10 21:59 |
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| Tallken | If I needed to find MS Evangelism How-to Docs throughout BN, for which tag should I search? | Jan 10 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I'm gere. | Jan 10 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | I'll get you some URLs. | Jan 10 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | You can follow them back and forth to find the rest. | Jan 10 22:01 |
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| Tallken | no no no | Jan 10 22:01 |
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| Tallken | no need for trouble | Jan 10 22:01 |
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| Tallken | I found what I was looking for :) | Jan 10 22:02 |
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| Tallken | http://boycottnovell.com/cat... | Jan 10 22:02 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, ping | Jan 10 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01... | Jan 10 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | See the links at the bottom for example. | Jan 10 22:02 |
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| Tallken | ok, thx :) | Jan 10 22:05 |
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| neighborlee_ | hmmm interesting, windows '7' beta is out ;0- | Jan 10 22:19 |
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| neighborlee_ | my friend installed it,,she says its 'ok' I guess...2.6gb download.. | Jan 10 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's just Vista with makeover... like Ubuntu 8.10 to 8.04 | Jan 10 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | So there's not much chance of screwing things up | Jan 10 22:23 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, Ubuntu at least got a knew kernel | Jan 10 22:23 |
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| trmanco | new* | Jan 10 22:23 |
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| Tallken | cya later! | Jan 10 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | How not to sell Linux... "Why Picking a Linux Distro is Like Picking a Girlfriend" < http://desktoplinux.wordpress.com/... | Jan 10 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.frederico-araujo.com/2009/01/... | Jan 10 23:22 |
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| twitter | noobs talking about GNU/Linux ... that describes half of the Wintel press. The other half are so hostile they talk about things they never use. | Jan 10 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | Do you still have that walmart text? | Jan 10 23:32 |
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| twitter | oh sure | Jan 10 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | It'll take me a while to get there (maybe weeks). I do EDGI first | Jan 10 23:36 |
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| twitter | The ordinary text has a few typos. I also have html here http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/221041 | Jan 10 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | I'll also do quick post about Vista7 and the death of Vista (BadVista) | Jan 10 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | typos are OK | Jan 10 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | We have the PDF for precision | Jan 10 23:37 |
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| twitter | want it emailed? | Jan 10 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | I have lots more on the walmart item. | Jan 10 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, please | Jan 10 23:37 |
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| twitter | OK | Jan 10 23:37 |
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| MinceR | i hope the FSF is planning a campaign against vista7 too | Jan 10 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | Sure. | Jan 10 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | I'm writing about that too | Jan 10 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | I'll add the blip.tv "Vista Sucks" video, as ogg | Jan 10 23:43 |
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| twitter | it's on the way | Jan 10 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, I got it. | Jan 10 23:59 |
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