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| balzac | looks like palamida's gplv3 page is gone | Mar 13 00:00 |
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| balzac | http://gpl3.palamida.com/ | Mar 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Mar 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Well, they stoped maintaining it | Mar 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | No interns to do this anymore | Mar 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if they swindle as a biz | Mar 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Also, they used to link to us | Mar 13 00:00 |
| schestowitz | They mailed me quite a few times | Mar 13 00:00 |
| Balrog | maybe they are doing a website-redesign | Mar 13 00:01 |
| balzac | hmm... | Mar 13 00:01 |
| balzac | maybe they changed their tune - after a change in management... | Mar 13 00:02 |
| balzac | it never hurts to be paranoid | Mar 13 00:02 |
| Balrog | don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity | Mar 13 00:02 |
| Balrog | or so I heard | Mar 13 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: it's blogspot no? | Mar 13 00:03 |
| Balrog | there's no proof, so let's investigate first | Mar 13 00:03 |
| schestowitz | I though they redirected or something. | Mar 13 00:03 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I read about some changes there. | Mar 13 00:03 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall which positions were shuffled or whatever | Mar 13 00:03 |
| schestowitz | But they made some press release 1-2 months ago | Mar 13 00:04 |
| schestowitz | They did an INVALUABLE services to GPLv3 | Mar 13 00:04 |
| schestowitz | But RMS wasn't a fan of it (he told me). They try to make money from all this | Mar 13 00:04 |
| balzac | it was exciting to read the updates | Mar 13 00:05 |
| schestowitz | balzac: http://www.google.com/news?hl=en&... | Mar 13 00:05 |
| balzac | but they didn't keep it up, nor enlist anyone else | Mar 13 00:05 |
| schestowitz | "Palamida Assembles an Open Source Toolkit For Job Seekers [...] Palamida Expands Detection Capability to Include 34621 Open Source ..." | Mar 13 00:06 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-s... | Mar 13 00:06 |
| balzac | really, it ought to be the FSF that maintains the count | Mar 13 00:06 |
| balzac | but the FSF is under-staffed and under-funded | Mar 13 00:06 |
| Balrog | count of... | Mar 13 00:06 |
| Balrog | ? | Mar 13 00:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentl... (New Bill Would Create New Accounting Regulator) | Mar 13 00:07 |
| balzac | the biggest lack being the lack of enough people who "get it" to staff the FSF | Mar 13 00:07 |
| balzac | Balrog: the count of GPLv3 licensed projects, which Palamida used to maintain | Mar 13 00:07 |
| Balrog | ah. | Mar 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't matter anymore | Mar 13 00:07 |
| schestowitz | It goes well for GPLv3 | Mar 13 00:07 |
| balzac | I suppose not. | Mar 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | They helped kickstarted it | Mar 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Kicked the myths | Mar 13 00:08 |
| *tessier_ heads down to the LUG meeting | Mar 13 00:08 | |
| balzac | But Linus Torvalds needs to meditate on this situation. | Mar 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | *kick-start (not past tense) | Mar 13 00:08 |
| balzac | tessier: please ask them to call it a GLUG | Mar 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | balzac: Linus will come around, I hope | Mar 13 00:08 |
| balzac | me too | Mar 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | If he's not poisoned by marketing people like Zemlin. | Mar 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Tiemann would be a good fit | Mar 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | he's pro business and to a good extent he "gets" it | Mar 13 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Did you see Revolution OS? | Mar 13 00:09 |
| balzac | but I'm hoping a lot more than Linus will come around regarding issues which "open source" people have not been able to grasp | Mar 13 00:09 |
| balzac | The people with the money need to recognize and kick down enough money that the FSF doesn't even know what to do with it. | Mar 13 00:09 |
| balzac | and GNU | Mar 13 00:09 |
| balzac | What about the potential of the Hurd? | Mar 13 00:09 |
| balzac | Roy, I read a link to something RMS said about features he'd like to see in the HURD and it was like the design of *nix operating systems were set to begin advancing again. | Mar 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | If Linu goes GPLv3, then it's OK | Mar 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | And kicks out some blobs | Mar 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Remember the petition (ish)? | Mar 13 00:10 |
| balzac | I found the link right on BN | Mar 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Linus didn't sign it | Mar 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | he wasn't on vacation, either | Mar 13 00:10 |
| balzac | weasel | Mar 13 00:10 |
| schestowitz | I checked at the time | Mar 13 00:10 |
| balzac | it's because he's a square | Mar 13 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Mrket share. | Mar 13 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Linus everywhere :-) | Mar 13 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Freedom later. | Mar 13 00:11 |
| balzac | seems like it | Mar 13 00:11 |
| schestowitz | But I think he chose GPLv3 for devs | Mar 13 00:11 |
| balzac | or not | Mar 13 00:11 |
| schestowitz | You dug into his iverview | Mar 13 00:11 |
| schestowitz | circa 2001 | Mar 13 00:11 |
| balzac | ? | Mar 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Where he talks about working with people with beards | Mar 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | And funny feelings about GPL | Mar 13 00:12 |
| balzac | i'll look it up | Mar 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | His explanation anyway | Mar 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | You put it in FSDaily | Mar 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Deep link | Mar 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Minute 3x:000 | Mar 13 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Al Viro used to post in COLA (USENET), not he's top patcher in LInux | Mar 13 00:12 |
| balzac | Virtually all users of Linux (and all other | Mar 13 00:14 |
| balzac | forms of Un*x) are unkempt, longhaired, beast-bearded dirty GNU hippies, and | Mar 13 00:14 |
| balzac | I am sick and tired of having to deal with them. | Mar 13 00:14 |
| balzac | well, he has a sense of humor, so I'm not taking that at face value | Mar 13 00:14 |
| balzac | but it reminds me so much of Markos Moulitsas, the gate-keeper, blocker of impeachment, the man who takes it upon himself to criticize Kucinich | Mar 13 00:15 |
| Balrog | read this? http://lwn.net/Articles/200422/ | Mar 13 00:15 |
| balzac | Agreed. One thing that made Linux so successful (over other GPL-licensed OS projects like Hurd): we do as little politics as possible. - Mingo | Mar 13 00:16 |
| balzac | yeah right! | Mar 13 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Peter Brown is no "hippie" | Mar 13 00:17 |
| balzac | I believe the HURD project was quite deliberately disenfranchised. | Mar 13 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: many objected without reading it! | Mar 13 00:17 |
| schestowitz | They acted as Linus yet men | Mar 13 00:17 |
| Balrog | really? | Mar 13 00:17 |
| Balrog | that's not good :( | Mar 13 00:17 |
| balzac | well, Linus apparently discourages discussing politics | Mar 13 00:18 |
| balzac | so if you ask any deeper questions, you're in the way of making efficient, open source, corporate software | Mar 13 00:18 |
| balzac | RMS will discuss politics and have opinions because he's a socially-influential visionary, not a corporate tool | Mar 13 00:18 |
| schestowitz | PJ -- | Mar 13 00:19 |
| schestowitz | PJ defended GPLv3 | Mar 13 00:19 |
| balzac | P?J | Mar 13 00:20 |
| balzac | oops | Mar 13 00:20 |
| schestowitz | When Linus attacked RMS in GL comments PJ deleted his comment | Mar 13 00:20 |
| balzac | pamela jones | Mar 13 00:20 |
| balzac | groklaw | Mar 13 00:20 |
| schestowitz | It was too read for Groklaq | Mar 13 00:20 |
| balzac | heheh | Mar 13 00:20 |
| schestowitz | i put it in digg | Mar 13 00:20 |
| Balrog | Linus and RMS post on Groklaw? | Mar 13 00:20 |
| schestowitz | front page | Mar 13 00:20 |
| Balrog | link | Mar 13 00:20 |
| schestowitz | hold on | Mar 13 00:21 |
| schestowitz | http://m.digg.com/linux_unix/Linus_To... | Mar 13 00:21 |
| balzac | heheh | Mar 13 00:21 |
| balzac | Now, because I don't want anyone to miss the meat of what you said, here it is without the sauce: | Mar 13 00:22 |
| balzac | she stung him. | Mar 13 00:22 |
| schestowitz | he hasnt commened since | Mar 13 00:23 |
| schestowitz | not that i saw it | Mar 13 00:23 |
| Balrog | "make your decisions based on fear and loathing" ... what about Novell and now Tom-Tom ...??? | Mar 13 00:23 |
| balzac | "My explanation for why the GPLv3 is bad is that if you make your decisions based on fear and loathing, they will be the wrong ones." Linus Torvalds | Mar 13 00:23 |
| balzac | Linus really is wound up about RMS | Mar 13 00:23 |
| balzac | what a square | Mar 13 00:23 |
| Balrog | now that fear is becoming reality | Mar 13 00:23 |
| Balrog | :[ | Mar 13 00:23 |
| schestowitz | linus is afraid now | Mar 13 00:23 |
| balzac | he needs to ____ or get off the pot | Mar 13 00:23 |
| schestowitz | poj linked to it again last month | Mar 13 00:23 |
| zoobab01 | what the Linux devs needs is a good patent lawsuit against kernel.org | Mar 13 00:24 |
| schestowitz | all of a suddemn he discovred sw pats | Mar 13 00:24 |
| *schestowitz eats | Mar 13 00:24 | |
| balzac | either that, or a kernel coup is needed to get things moving again... | Mar 13 00:24 |
| schestowitz | hodld on | Mar 13 00:24 |
| balzac | well, that's enough sedition for now | Mar 13 00:24 |
| balzac | There's got to be some money scraped together for the Hurd so people have a choice of running a GPL'ed operating system without being subject to Lord Torvalds' impetuousness. | Mar 13 00:25 |
| balzac | either that, or enough people get interested in developing it | Mar 13 00:25 |
| Balrog | hurd has its problems :( | Mar 13 00:26 |
| Balrog | use a bsd kernel | Mar 13 00:26 |
| schestowitz | yes! | Mar 13 00:26 |
| Balrog | it can be relicensed with GPLv3, can it not? | Mar 13 00:26 |
| balzac | well, the project is what I'm talking about, not an out-of-date code base | Mar 13 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://m.digg.com/linux_unix/Linus_Torva... | Mar 13 00:26 |
| balzac | probably it all needs to be refactored | Mar 13 00:26 |
| schestowitz | OOPs | Mar 13 00:26 |
| Balrog | yeah :/ | Mar 13 00:26 |
| schestowitz | this one: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/03... | Mar 13 00:26 |
| Balrog | MS is not in good shape | Mar 13 00:27 |
| schestowitz | doa | Mar 13 00:27 |
| balzac | ok, I've got to fly | Mar 13 00:27 |
| balzac | ttyl | Mar 13 00:27 |
| Balrog | talk later | Mar 13 00:27 |
| *schestowitz done eating (can typo properly) | Mar 13 00:27 | |
| schestowitz | balzac: have a ice 'flight' | Mar 13 00:29 |
| schestowitz | *nice | Mar 13 00:29 |
| *Smari is trying to wrap his head around the topic. | Mar 13 00:32 | |
| ah, now here's a fun story http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?... | Mar 13 00:34 | |
| Windows 7 won't fix M$'s netbook revenue hole. | Mar 13 00:34 | |
| slap | Mar 13 00:34 | |
| Balrog | twitter: please don't use 'M$' in slashdot attempts | Mar 13 00:34 |
| from all M$'s usual buddies | Mar 13 00:34 | |
| Balrog | won't get you anywhere | Mar 13 00:34 |
| Smari | Getting Slashdotted ain't all it's made up to be. | Mar 13 00:36 |
| Balrog | I know, I know... | Mar 13 00:36 |
| I refuse to type the name, it wastes my time, but I will hit one extra key to make the standard, jargon file abbreviation | Mar 13 00:36 | |
| Balrog | use 'MS' | Mar 13 00:36 |
| Balrog | that will work fine | Mar 13 00:36 |
| Getting the news out is fun. | Mar 13 00:36 | |
| M$ works for me. | Mar 13 00:36 | |
| Balrog | the '$' is a bit too 'radical' in this case | Mar 13 00:36 |
| Balrog | unfortunately | Mar 13 00:36 |
| http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/217907 | Mar 13 00:36 | |
| don't tell me what to do. | Mar 13 00:37 | |
| I get enough of that from people who mean me harm. | Mar 13 00:37 | |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/linux_compa... "Time to Sue or Prosecute MS for racketeering" | Mar 13 00:37 |
| M$ is still funny to me, and it makes the trolls so angry. | Mar 13 00:38 | |
| Balrog | and it makes sure no articles get modded up | Mar 13 00:38 |
| Balrog | that was my point | Mar 13 00:38 |
| my articles are modded down regardless | Mar 13 00:39 | |
| It's not because of my language, it's because M$ does not like what I say. | Mar 13 00:39 | |
| They can't really argue with what I say, so they smear me and play games with the mod system. | Mar 13 00:40 | |
| I'm happy to say that it does not work for them | Mar 13 00:40 | |
| Balrog | well some critical-to-MS articles have been slashdotted lately | Mar 13 00:40 |
| schestowitz | I agree with Balrog | Mar 13 00:40 |
| Self censorship is self defeating. | Mar 13 00:40 | |
| Balrog | no, use it | Mar 13 00:40 |
| Balrog | on your blog, other places like that | Mar 13 00:40 |
| Balrog | slashdot should be kept a little more 'civil' | Mar 13 00:40 |
| schestowitz | All-time high in 2008 I see.. | Mar 13 00:41 |
| schestowitz | The edtitors overwrite the "M$" | Mar 13 00:41 |
| when you go down the path of letting others tell you what to do, you end up avoiding important concepts like "freedom" to be "polite" and not look "radical" | Mar 13 00:41 | |
| The editors have quit overwriting the M$ | Mar 13 00:41 | |
| Balrog | what about this page: | Mar 13 00:41 |
| Balrog | http://news.slashdot.org/article... | Mar 13 00:41 |
| Balrog | but then again, people don't like kdawson | Mar 13 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Which people? | Mar 13 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Trolls? | Mar 13 00:42 |
| people don't like RMS, ERS, Bruce Perens .... | Mar 13 00:42 | |
| trolls | Mar 13 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | I see the cowboykneel[sic] slurs too | Mar 13 00:43 |
| schestowitz | *ESR | Mar 13 00:43 |
| woops | Mar 13 00:43 | |
| Balrog | yeah, mostly trolls | Mar 13 00:43 |
| Balrog | kdawson is known to post controversial stuff | Mar 13 00:43 |
| Balrog | in any case, this tom-tom mess is causing people to wake up | Mar 13 00:43 |
| I think you get the point. You should not let the trolls tell you that truth is controversial and what words or expressions to use. | Mar 13 00:44 | |
| Words control your thoughts. | Mar 13 00:44 | |
| Control people's language and you have won most of your arguments before they spew your talking points for you. | Mar 13 00:44 | |
| bbl | Mar 13 00:45 | |
| Balrog | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/0... | Mar 13 00:52 |
| Balrog | about that topic | Mar 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | yes, seen it | Mar 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | scrool down | Mar 13 00:53 |
| Balrog | yes? | Mar 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | You're trackbacking it again | Mar 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | I also posted this in USENET | Mar 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | useful reference to have | Mar 13 00:53 |
| Balrog | Dilger makes interesting posts. | Mar 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but not many of them anymore | Mar 13 00:54 |
| Balrog | yes, he's pro-Apple, but much of what he says makes a lot of sense | Mar 13 00:54 |
| Balrog | he's not making many posts *at all* :( | Mar 13 00:54 |
| Balrog | once a week; twice if you're lucky | Mar 13 00:54 |
| Balrog | the appleinsider ones (by "Prince McLean") don't count | Mar 13 00:55 |
| Balrog | seems like I successfully tore out Mono from my Gentoo system | Mar 13 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Testing Ubuntu Jaunty and Ext4 WITHOUT Trashing Your Data < http://www.automaticable.com/2009-03-12/testing... >. The Microsoft shills have some fun with this | Mar 13 00:56 |
| Balrog | Moonlight 1.0.1 is still there, but it's easy to remove if I need to do that :) | Mar 13 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: congrats. WTF was it there for in the first place? | Mar 13 00:56 |
| Balrog | got pulled in some way | Mar 13 00:57 |
| schestowitz | emerge mononono | Mar 13 00:57 |
| Balrog | Moonlight 1.0.x is very simple; doesn't depend on any mono | Mar 13 00:57 |
| Balrog | some deps | Mar 13 00:57 |
| Balrog | and I had no '-mono' use flah | Mar 13 00:57 |
| Balrog | s/h/g | Mar 13 00:57 |
| schestowitz | LOL. Jaunty: Apt is broken? Move to another country! < http://maratux.blogspot.com/2009/03/jau... > | Mar 13 00:58 |
| schestowitz | pin Smari | Mar 13 00:58 |
| schestowitz | *ping | Mar 13 00:58 |
| Smari | hm | Mar 13 00:58 |
| Balrog | let's do depclean... | Mar 13 00:58 |
| Smari | ya | Mar 13 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Did you find the EDGI links? | Mar 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | It's those pages that get most attention | Mar 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | The darkest secrets of the company. | Mar 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Also "evangelism" courses | Mar 13 00:59 |
| schestowitz | The arts of turning dumping to charity | Mar 13 00:59 |
| Smari | Edgi stuff seems to be very slim.. | Mar 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | how so? | Mar 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | There are many long posts | Mar 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Some exhibits are over 20 pages long | Mar 13 01:00 |
| Smari | Then I'm doing it wrong. | Mar 13 01:00 |
| schestowitz | With list of EDGIed deployment in various countries | Mar 13 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Summary here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01... | Mar 13 01:01 |
| Smari | Ah | Mar 13 01:04 |
| schestowitz | There's tons more | Mar 13 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Lots more to come later this year: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki | Mar 13 01:04 |
| Smari | nice | Mar 13 01:05 |
| Smari | I'll have to check this later... got to sleep | Mar 13 01:06 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: ok to keep moonlight around for now? | Mar 13 01:06 |
| schestowitz | be back later.. | Mar 13 01:06 |
| Balrog | :/ | Mar 13 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: no. | Mar 13 01:06 |
| Smari | I shall! | Mar 13 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Reject it | Mar 13 01:06 |
| Balrog | ok. Easy enough to remove, in any case. | Mar 13 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Moonlight is already rejected by Fedora | Mar 13 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat too, to an extent | Mar 13 01:07 |
| schestowitz | It's a Microsoft products | Mar 13 01:07 |
| schestowitz | They support and help it | Mar 13 01:07 |
| Balrog | We're stuck in a way, due to coursecast | Mar 13 01:07 |
| schestowitz | It elevates Microsoft patents | Mar 13 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Leverages the monopoly | Mar 13 01:07 |
| Balrog | http://www.panopto.com/ | Mar 13 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Miguel develops some of it at Microsoft, literally. | Mar 13 01:07 |
| Balrog | http://www.panopto.com/products_coursecast.aspx | Mar 13 01:07 |
| Balrog | based on silverlight 2 | Mar 13 01:07 |
| schestowitz | No Linux support | Mar 13 01:08 |
| Balrog | nope. | Mar 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Silver Lie is not intended to work | Mar 13 01:08 |
| Balrog | :( | Mar 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | They should use standards | Mar 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Even Flash is better than Silver Lie | Mar 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | At least Linux is supported | Mar 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Silver Lie != Moon Lie | Mar 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Just a Novell Big Lie | Mar 13 01:08 |
| Balrog | I know ... :( | Mar 13 01:08 |
| _Hicham_ | are u sure fedora rejected mono? | Mar 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | silverlight is not flash: http://boycottnovell.com/2008... | Mar 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | That's the shortest explanation I could come up withat the time (over ayear ago) | Mar 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: moonlight | Mar 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Not mono | Mar 13 01:09 |
| Balrog | I hear that Fedora 10 livecd has no mono | Mar 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06... | Mar 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes | Mar 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:... | Mar 13 01:10 |
| schestowitz | For details about Mono and Fedora in general (links in between as well + context) | Mar 13 01:10 |
| PeterFA | So, what do you think is slowing the adoption of Linux/Free-Free software? | Mar 13 01:11 |
| _Hicham_ | moonlight isnt in ubuntu either | Mar 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: to an extent the patent attacks too | Mar 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Like SCO | Mar 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | We can just pretend it makes no difference | Mar 13 01:13 |
| Balrog | why is Mono anywhere anyway? it doesn't do anything for me... | Mar 13 01:13 |
| PeterFA | How do patent attacks stop Linux adoption? | Mar 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | People tell me the CIO points at Microsoft's FOrbes placements with threats | Mar 13 01:13 |
| PeterFA | Threats didn't stop the pirating of music files. | Mar 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: they can slow it down | Mar 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Like a bully with a baseball bat keeping you at home | Mar 13 01:14 |
| PeterFA | Hmm. | Mar 13 01:14 |
| PeterFA | I guess Microsoft is just building the situation expecting a fall. | Mar 13 01:14 |
| PeterFA | This way they can go down fighting. | Mar 13 01:14 |
| Balrog | MS is desperate | Mar 13 01:14 |
| PeterFA | And maybe steal some money from the Linux market. | Mar 13 01:14 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: yes, SCO too | Mar 13 01:15 |
| PeterFA | Balrog, do you think Microsoft is in serious condition? | Mar 13 01:15 |
| schestowitz | They have nothing to lose now | Mar 13 01:15 |
| Balrog | I think they are...they're killing projects left and right | Mar 13 01:15 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: not maybe, they already do | Mar 13 01:15 |
| Balrog | even ones that have been around for years | Mar 13 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft already makes money from Linux sales | Mar 13 01:15 |
| Balrog | like flight simulator | Mar 13 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Since like 3 years ago, at least | Mar 13 01:15 |
| Balrog | sold millions of copies, yet they kill il | Mar 13 01:15 |
| Balrog | s/i/t | Mar 13 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Allison knew about this long ago | Mar 13 01:15 |
| schestowitz | He spoke to the press about it | Mar 13 01:15 |
| Balrog | s/i/l | Mar 13 01:15 |
| schestowitz | He speaks to me too | Mar 13 01:15 |
| PeterFA | Microsoft only makes money from Office and Windows. | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Preety much | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Office in particular | Mar 13 01:16 |
| PeterFA | Everything else fails. | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Windows is saddled onto PCs | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | For mere buckls | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Because of Linux | Mar 13 01:16 |
| PeterFA | Yeah, and enter Google Docs and Open Office. | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is afraid of Docs | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | it's shills attack it | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Also its former employees | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | From new shell | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | *shells | Mar 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Like that recent 'study'... turns out to come from former undeercover Softie | Mar 13 01:17 |
| PeterFA | I should use Google Docs for the sheer principle of it. | Mar 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Lies and dman lies and all that.. | Mar 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: no, use ooo | Mar 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | SaaS lockin | Mar 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Google is also no without faults | Mar 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2009/... | Mar 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft plans to attack Wine | Mar 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | It's the app that will knock the last nail on its coffin | Mar 13 01:19 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, how? | Mar 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: | Mar 13 01:19 |
| Balrog | attack wine???? | Mar 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | see Easter 2007 disclosure re: Novell/MS | Mar 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Wine is there. | Mar 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | They screw the devs | Mar 13 01:19 |
| PeterFA | Can the bottle withstand the chair? | Mar 13 01:19 |
| Balrog | what about TransGaming? | Mar 13 01:19 |
| Balrog | they're working on DX10 support | Mar 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft ain't happy | Mar 13 01:20 |
| Balrog | and to comply with LGPL, will have to give it back to WINE | Mar 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | It's like dancing on Micfrosoft's grave | Mar 13 01:20 |
| PeterFA | The funny thing about Wine is that it has better 3D performance :) | Mar 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Get all of MS' APIs | Mar 13 01:20 |
| Balrog | lol | Mar 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Plus freedom, plus power of Linux | Mar 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | It's like a baggage | Mar 13 01:20 |
| PeterFA | That will truly be a golden age for computing! | Mar 13 01:20 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, if Microsoft dies, you'll be known as the one who said it first. | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | "I bought Linux, got Windows for 'free'" | Mar 13 01:21 |
| PeterFA | Revenue will never seize. | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Just the APIs | Mar 13 01:21 |
| Balrog | MS doesn't need to die | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | It won't | Mar 13 01:21 |
| Balrog | just scale down and come to their senses | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Unlike SCO | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | It'll leech off something | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Patents over after Bilski? | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe now | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Not | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | But | Mar 13 01:21 |
| Balrog | but will it do that? probably not | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | They have ACT shills running amok | Mar 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Pushing patents into EU | Mar 13 01:22 |
| schestowitz | India too is being manipulated | Mar 13 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Eearily quiet there | Mar 13 01:22 |
| schestowitz | The activists say nothing | Mar 13 01:22 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, got a twitter? | Mar 13 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Neither do Red Hat employees in India though | Mar 13 01:22 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: http://identi.ca/schestowitz | Mar 13 01:22 |
| schestowitz | no twttter | Mar 13 01:23 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, get twitter, it'll help you promote your blog. | Mar 13 01:23 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca upgraded today | Mar 13 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Not we get mail notifications for replies | Mar 13 01:23 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, go to thirtydaychallenge.com and watch the videos. | Mar 13 01:23 |
| schestowitz | And they work on data export AFAIK | Mar 13 01:23 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, what's identic.ca | Mar 13 01:23 |
| PeterFA | identi.ca. | Mar 13 01:23 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: no need | Mar 13 01:24 |
| schestowitz | twitter is small #s | Mar 13 01:24 |
| schestowitz | and it's also useless for archiving | Mar 13 01:24 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, what's better? | Mar 13 01:24 |
| schestowitz | We get fine readership as it is | Mar 13 01:24 |
| schestowitz | About 1m pages/month on the good ones | Mar 13 01:24 |
| PeterFA | I see. | Mar 13 01:24 |
| schestowitz | When I do Comes | Mar 13 01:24 |
| schestowitz | So twitter would be peanuts | Mar 13 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Would rather spend time here brainstorming | Mar 13 01:25 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, if I get Linux-starter.com with good content, mind dropping a link from one of your blogs to my site? | Mar 13 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Sure | Mar 13 01:25 |
| schestowitz | In daily links | Mar 13 01:25 |
| *PeterFA dances. | Mar 13 01:25 | |
| PeterFA | I'll get a ton of valid traffic. | Mar 13 01:25 |
| PeterFA | You have the exact audience I want. | Mar 13 01:26 |
| PeterFA | The willing to try Linux. | Mar 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Mar 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | 50% of us already use it | Mar 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | The rest probably browser from work | Mar 13 01:27 |
| schestowitz | BN scares some newbies | Mar 13 01:27 |
| schestowitz | One person told me that realising all the mess Microsoft is causing drive him away, so he undubscribed | Mar 13 01:27 |
| schestowitz | New users don't understand freedom | Mar 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | They don't know RMS | Mar 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | This goes too deep for them | Mar 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | When you introduce them to the crimes committed to fight Free software | Mar 13 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's omnplexity they prefer not to witness. Same with Groklaw | Mar 13 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | Nice: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/03... | Mar 13 01:37 |
| PeterFA | Ok, well, at least it gets me some Googlages. | Mar 13 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Good comment from Asa: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/03/11/d... | Mar 13 01:44 |
| schestowitz | "Then again, as Nicholas Negroponte states, the newest OLPC machine is still 18 months away, and "a lot can change with regard to Microsoft and ARM" in that time. We hope it does -- we would hate to see the Third World's computing needs left to those $10 laptop guys. " http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/1... | Mar 13 01:53 |
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| PeterFA | schestowitz, what is something you think I could do for you? | Mar 13 02:26 |
| schestowitz | We need text for the docs in the Wiki (antitrust) | Mar 13 02:27 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki... | Mar 13 02:27 |
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| Eruaran | Ubuntu impresses again | Mar 13 08:09 |
| Eruaran | That Fujitsu dual boot notebook I mentioned yesterday | Mar 13 08:10 |
| Eruaran | Installed XP/Ubuntu on it today | Mar 13 08:10 |
| Eruaran | The only thing I needed to do was change "vesa" in x to "intel" | Mar 13 08:10 |
| Eruaran | Everything else just worked | Mar 13 08:10 |
| Eruaran | Including the customers 3 mobile broadband dongle | Mar 13 08:11 |
| Eruaran | Ubuntu detected it correctly and asked if I wanted to configure it, click 'configure now', the wizard asks basic questions, click next, next and youre up | Mar 13 08:12 |
| Eruaran | It worked better than 3's own self installing software on Windows XP did | Mar 13 08:12 |
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| Eruaran | And got us online faster | Mar 13 08:12 |
| Eruaran | slam dunk | Mar 13 08:12 |
| *Eruaran grins a satisfied grin | Mar 13 08:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Eruaran | Mar 13 08:57 |
| Eruaran | Hi Roy | Mar 13 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Found yesterday: http://riplinton.blogspot.com/2009... | Mar 13 08:58 |
| Eruaran | I wonder what kind of watch it was | Mar 13 09:01 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 13 09:29 |
| Eruaran | hello MinceR | Mar 13 09:32 |
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| mib_0pqosm | microsoft are liars theives and should die now | Mar 13 09:54 |
| mib_0pqosm | Everyone hates microsoft liars | Mar 13 09:54 |
| mib_0pqosm | I use linux because its honest and stable and fast and doesnt spy on me | Mar 13 09:55 |
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| Eruaran | speaking of spying... | Mar 13 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes.... | Mar 13 09:56 |
| Eruaran | Might be timely to remind of this | Mar 13 09:57 |
| Eruaran | http://www.theregister.co.uk/... | Mar 13 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes... | Mar 13 09:57 |
| schestowitz | There was anther article in CNET the other day | Mar 13 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Back doors | Mar 13 09:58 |
| schestowitz | 'hacking' | Mar 13 09:58 |
| schestowitz | In Australia | Mar 13 09:58 |
| Eruaran | yes | Mar 13 10:01 |
| schestowitz | NZ Linux users fight the copyrights cartel now. | Mar 13 10:04 |
| schestowitz | http://coffee.geek.nz/scoop-nz... | Mar 13 10:05 |
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| mib_69g7a0 | hi | Mar 13 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | "Obama" brand :-) http://www.youtube.com/wat... | Mar 13 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | Christopher Hitchens cut off on fox news? < http://www.youtube.com/wa... > | Mar 13 11:32 |
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| Eruaran | meh | Mar 13 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Regarding the news from France, one person says Microsoft is trying to rub it off as "anti-American". ""A good counter will be to focus on the tax dodging and legal troubles. A comment (not mine) on /. talked about die-hard ms ideologues rather firing people than pass up on buying MS Office." | Mar 13 11:46 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all | Mar 13 11:52 |
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| Eruaran | hi | Mar 13 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 13 12:00 |
| zer0c00l | hi Eruaran | Mar 13 12:00 |
| Eruaran | I've been idling in #kubuntu | Mar 13 12:01 |
| Eruaran | Can't help noticing the randoms that enter now and again | Mar 13 12:01 |
| Eruaran | Hit and runs | Mar 13 12:02 |
| Eruaran | enter channel > bash KDE a bit > leave | Mar 13 12:02 |
| zer0c00l | hahaha | Mar 13 12:07 |
| zer0c00l | i use kde 3.5 ;) | Mar 13 12:07 |
| zer0c00l | debian | Mar 13 12:07 |
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| ZiggyFish | go the broncos | Mar 13 12:08 |
| ZiggyFish | Broncos won 19-18 | Mar 13 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Hi, ZiggyFish | Mar 13 12:09 |
| Eruaran | Using KDE 4.2.1 here. Its good. | Mar 13 12:09 |
| ZiggyFish | hey | Mar 13 12:09 |
| ZiggyFish | schestowitz: how are you? | Mar 13 12:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/23806/1055/ Conroy confirms NBN decision "just weeks away" | Mar 13 12:11 |
| schestowitz | ZiggyFish: I'm all right. Annoyed ATM. | Mar 13 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is sending out shills | Mar 13 12:11 |
| schestowitz | TomTom spin. | Mar 13 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft paid mouthpieces | Mar 13 12:12 |
| ZiggyFish | schestowitz: in the TomTom case Microsoft don't have a leg to stand on | Mar 13 12:12 |
| Eruaran | Got an interesting comment from a customer today | Mar 13 12:13 |
| ZiggyFish | schestowitz: am going to Uni this year, and was supprised that they have the option of booting into Linux(Ubuntu) | Mar 13 12:14 |
| Eruaran | He said we were the only place he found where we could 1. actually answer his questions and 2. not just take FOSS seriously but promote FOSS and use it... | Mar 13 12:15 |
| Eruaran | Our city is full of idiot | Mar 13 12:15 |
| Eruaran | *idiots | Mar 13 12:15 |
| ZiggyFish | lol | Mar 13 12:15 |
| Eruaran | I think some will soon go out of business | Mar 13 12:15 |
| Eruaran | The competition doesn't get it | Mar 13 12:16 |
| ZiggyFish | Eruaran: let's just hope there are more companies like yours arround | Mar 13 12:16 |
| Eruaran | Linux users are OUR customers and not our competitions customers... and the competition doesn't understand how big that userbase is | Mar 13 12:17 |
| Eruaran | What this guy told me about everywhere else he went was simple: "they don't want to know" | Mar 13 12:18 |
| schestowitz | ZiggyFish: dual-booting is getting common in universities | Mar 13 12:18 |
| Eruaran | So him, and an increasing number of other people in my city come to us | Mar 13 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: excellent. | Mar 13 12:19 |
| Eruaran | They want hardware, they want advice, they want info, they know what they want and they don't want to be told what they want | Mar 13 12:19 |
| Eruaran | I remember when our company director expressed a concern once that if we promote software that actually works good nearly all of the time we'll put ourselves out of business :P | Mar 13 12:20 |
| Eruaran | That was before he realised that hardware failures still happen, that not every Linux user is a C++ god, and that if you can give people answers that no one else can give it builds respect and confidence... and it was before he realised that we don't want Linux users going to the competition :P | Mar 13 12:23 |
| Eruaran | AND | Mar 13 12:23 |
| Eruaran | That was before he realised that if he doesn't know how to help someone, he can just punt them over to us :P | Mar 13 12:24 |
| Eruaran | I have to remember to enter the Fujitsu A1110 in our database tomorrow | Mar 13 12:26 |
| Eruaran | We're building a database over time | Mar 13 12:26 |
| Eruaran | Of our experiences installing Linux on notebooks | Mar 13 12:27 |
| Eruaran | So, if someone wants to know, anyone in the company can simply refer to it and is able to tell a customer in moments what they can expect if Linux is installed on the notebook they enquire about | Mar 13 12:28 |
| Eruaran | In short, Ubuntu on the Fujitsu A1110 is a dream. | Mar 13 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Money is in hardware | Mar 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Not in software anymore | Mar 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Same in servers | Mar 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | That's why HP and IBM thrives while Microsoft enters debt | Mar 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | People need to be given the s/w of their choice | Mar 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | That's why IBM and HP also invest in Linux | Mar 13 12:37 |
| ZiggyFish | google has a lot to do with that I believe | Mar 13 12:38 |
| schestowitz | It helps them sell hardware, independently of Microsoft | Mar 13 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Rationale for Symbian was similar | Mar 13 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Think about it this way | Mar 13 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Shop makes $300 selling netbooks (gross) | Mar 13 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft? Just $5 if it runs Windows. | Mar 13 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Who's to gain more? | Mar 13 12:39 |
| Eruaran | When economics are tough, value shifts back to the hardware, and services that people require to repair/maintain hardware | Mar 13 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, same with many things like footwear | Mar 13 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: did you see this morning's post about Microsoft's latest dead product? | Mar 13 12:47 |
| Eruaran | sorry was afk | Mar 13 13:01 |
| Eruaran | no I haven't seen it yet | Mar 13 13:02 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | Mar 13 13:11 |
| Eruaran | hi | Mar 13 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Hey there, wb | Mar 13 13:12 |
| _Hicham_ | how r u doing Roy? | Mar 13 13:12 |
| schestowitz | All OK, just writing some posts ARM | Mar 13 13:15 |
| schestowitz | *ATM | Mar 13 13:15 |
| _Hicham_ | I am looking for the best Desktop environment for my desktop machine | Mar 13 13:15 |
| _Hicham_ | i installed Ubuntu, Debian, and Fedora | Mar 13 13:15 |
| _Hicham_ | but all three of them were too slow | Mar 13 13:15 |
| _Hicham_ | I think gnome is the cause | Mar 13 13:15 |
| _Hicham_ | i should opt for more minimalistic DE | Mar 13 13:16 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u think? | Mar 13 13:16 |
| Eruaran | Mint+Fluxbox ? | Mar 13 13:16 |
| Eruaran | LInux Mint Fluxbox edition is minimal and sexy | Mar 13 13:17 |
| _Hicham_ | did u test it on an old machine? | Mar 13 13:17 |
| Eruaran | No | Mar 13 13:17 |
| Eruaran | :P | Mar 13 13:17 |
| Eruaran | But I reckon its worth a look | Mar 13 13:17 |
| Eruaran | I've heard nothing bad about it and the general consensus seems to be that its great for older hardware and running from usb etc | Mar 13 13:18 |
| Eruaran | which reminds me | Mar 13 13:19 |
| _Hicham_ | Mint is based on Debian? | Mar 13 13:19 |
| Eruaran | I was gonna download Mint with fluxbox for that very reason... run it on a usb | Mar 13 13:19 |
| Eruaran | Ubuntu | Mar 13 13:19 |
| _Hicham_ | that is cool then | Mar 13 13:20 |
| _Hicham_ | is it up-to-date? | Mar 13 13:20 |
| Eruaran | http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_felicia_fluxbox.php | Mar 13 13:23 |
| Eruaran | looks good | Mar 13 13:24 |
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| Balrog_ | hi all | Mar 13 13:42 |
| Balrog_ | _Hicham_: how fast is your desktop machine? | Mar 13 13:42 |
| Eruaran | hi | Mar 13 13:49 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : my desktop machine is 700Mhz PIII, 512 Ram, S3 Savage Video Card 8Mb | Mar 13 14:04 |
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| _Hicham_ | what do u think is suitable for this machine? | Mar 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | "I was guest of honor at a star chamber held by my "boss" and her boss and two from the support department. The same themes and the quoted parts are almost identical phrases. Gist: not running windows personally == bad attitude" | Mar 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm hearing from people who are harassed for not using Windows. | Mar 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | As if not using Windows is "not being normal", i.e. troublemaker | Mar 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Horrid. | Mar 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | "both mgt and labor union acting as MSFT police. Anyway a few hundred students have hands on experience now with several desktop environments and several operating systems." | Mar 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | ""It did not work to put these in rotted housing with no fire alarms, bad heating, inadequate missing locks, etc. It did not work to charge them 150% the market rate for aforementioned housing. It did not work to threaten them with a gun (later turned out to be replica). It did not work to go around in gangs and beat the fuck out of them. There are still a few left." | Mar 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | "So the degree program will have to be closed to get rid of them, before people out in town find out that they've been defrauded by MS, and by pushers, these recent years. The EFF or other groups might find these tactics useful to know about." | Mar 13 14:12 |
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| _Hicham_ | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/... | Mar 13 14:23 |
| Eruaran | lol | Mar 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.... -> European Parliament resolution on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications | Mar 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz | A friend says: "Suitability for use in European business is called into question due to the inability guarantee freedom from backdoors and</a>, like other closed source applications, it is to be classed as "least reliable"." | Mar 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Palm Linux is coming to stores soon: Sprint Announces Pricing Plans for Palm Pre < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161187/spri... > | Mar 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Politicians Overreacted To Terrorist 'Threat' Online < http://techdirt.com/articles... >. Or maybe the threat is created in part by invasions. | Mar 13 14:48 |
| schestowitz | TomTom Can License FAT Without Violating the GPL < http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?... > | Mar 13 14:56 |
| _Hicham_ | TomTom should just drop FAT | Mar 13 14:59 |
| _Hicham_ | FAT is just fat | Mar 13 14:59 |
| _Hicham_ | FAT should go on a diet | Mar 13 14:59 |
| _Hicham_ | it wastes a lot of space | Mar 13 14:59 |
| Balrog_ | but then how will windows users use tom-tom devices | Mar 13 15:04 |
| Balrog_ | or better, use disks in tom-tom devices | Mar 13 15:04 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Mar 13 15:04 |
| Balrog_ | (like flash drives or sd cards) | Mar 13 15:04 |
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| Balrog_ | schestowitz: That slashdot article is full of holes | Mar 13 15:05 |
| Balrog_ | read the comments | Mar 13 15:05 |
| Eruaran | You don't need to use FAT | Mar 13 15:05 |
| schestowitz | US Supreme Court shows no determination to see this (c.f. Rambus) | Mar 13 15:05 |
| Balrog_ | I know :( | Mar 13 15:06 |
| Balrog_ | but what about Europe? | Mar 13 15:06 |
| schestowitz | EU is OK | Mar 13 15:06 |
| Balrog_ | Tom-Tom is Europe-based | Mar 13 15:06 |
| schestowitz | FAT patents trahsed in Germany | Mar 13 15:06 |
| schestowitz | EU accused Rambus of ambush, maybne racketeeri | Mar 13 15:06 |
| Eruaran | Yes, have the case heard in Germany | Mar 13 15:06 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01 would know | Mar 13 15:06 |
| schestowitz | *maybe racketeering | Mar 13 15:07 |
| schestowitz | I have an article or press release in mind, but not sure where to find it now. | Mar 13 15:08 |
| Eruaran | Users don't care if a device has FAT or something else on it | Mar 13 15:08 |
| Eruaran | Users just want it to work | Mar 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz | AOL is now headed by a Googler | Mar 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Important in case AOL does something that favours Google | Mar 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Or... if AOL snubs the Vole. | Mar 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: use Windows update to forcible put the ext2 driver on Windows | Mar 13 15:09 |
| Balrog_ | which ext2 driver? | Mar 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Authorities need to restore standards that are safe, even fircibly. | Mar 13 15:09 |
| Balrog_ | ext2ifs is not foss, and is buggy | Mar 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft abuses its monopoly and has an ambush going.. | Mar 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: so find an alternative | Mar 13 15:09 |
| Eruaran | The end result of cases like this is that companies like TomTom will seek alternatives, and will use them. | Mar 13 15:10 |
