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| _Hicham_ | u have to detect whether it is Microsoft of not | Mar 29 00:00 |
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| _Hicham_ | Roy : I am telling u why Silverlight might attract developers | Mar 29 00:01 |
| _Hicham_ | Silverlight uses the existing .NET APIs | Mar 29 00:01 |
| MinceR | oh, yay | Mar 29 00:01 |
| MinceR | and who is attracted to those? | Mar 29 00:01 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : the existing .NET devs | Mar 29 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | .NET was quite a huge investment | Mar 29 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | they spend three years developing it | Mar 29 00:02 |
| _Hicham_ | and it costs them $3 billion | Mar 29 00:03 |
| _Hicham_ | $3 billion is not easy as investment | Mar 29 00:03 |
| MinceR | doesn't automatically make it good | Mar 29 00:03 |
| _Hicham_ | I am not talking about being good or not | Mar 29 00:03 |
| MinceR | m$ has "invested" a lot of money into locking people into their platform and preventing others from competing | Mar 29 00:03 |
| MinceR | it's all collapsing now | Mar 29 00:03 |
| _Hicham_ | yeah, the recession is helping | Mar 29 00:04 |
| MinceR | the only ones who would be motivated by the amount of money spent on developing .NET to use it work for m$ | Mar 29 00:04 |
| MinceR | the amount of money spent is irrelevant to others in that regard | Mar 29 00:04 |
| _Hicham_ | I see ur point | Mar 29 00:05 |
| _Hicham_ | but they were not doing it for nothing | Mar 29 00:05 |
| _Hicham_ | MS technology have nothing to do with being good or no | Mar 29 00:06 |
| _Hicham_ | we know that a lot of MS technology is not good from the start | Mar 29 00:06 |
| _Hicham_ | for example, OLE/COM technology | Mar 29 00:06 |
| _Hicham_ | it wasn't approved by all MS devs | Mar 29 00:06 |
| _Hicham_ | but it is still here | Mar 29 00:07 |
| _Hicham_ | because it was an investment | Mar 29 00:07 |
| _Hicham_ | no one is talking again | Mar 29 00:08 |
| _Hicham_ | where are oiaohm and balzac? | Mar 29 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | _Hicham_: the $bn investment is BS | Mar 29 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Like Vista | Mar 29 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Longhorn -> trash | Mar 29 00:10 |
| schestowitz | "$6bn" figure is intended to generate hype | Mar 29 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | Perceived valuie | Mar 29 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Marketing 101 | Mar 29 00:11 |
| schestowitz | "When you use .NET, you use a $3,000,000,000m project" WOW! Mamma mia! | Mar 29 00:11 |
| Balrog_ | Java is a bigger project | Mar 29 00:12 |
| Balrog_ | or was * | Mar 29 00:12 |
| schestowitz | "When you use FOSS, you use communism" | Mar 29 00:12 |
| schestowitz | "You're getting very sleepy" | Mar 29 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Remember SideShow? | Mar 29 00:12 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, that's what one dev I talked to was saying ... :( | Mar 29 00:12 |
| schestowitz | And ReadyBoost? | Mar 29 00:12 |
| schestowitz | "Ultimate Extras"? LMAO | Mar 29 00:12 |
| Balrog_ | says I'm 'young and idealistic' | Mar 29 00:12 |
| Balrog_ | wants people to use BSD-style licenses | Mar 29 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Balrog:*IS* | Mar 29 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Java is still by far the biggest | Mar 29 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Unless you tune in to Wintel Spintell press | Mar 29 00:13 |
| schestowitz | BSD breeds proprietary | Mar 29 00:13 |
| Balrog_ | sure it does | Mar 29 00:13 |
| _Hicham_ | MS created .NET to counter Java | Mar 29 00:14 |
| Balrog_ | doesn't like LGPL even | Mar 29 00:14 |
| Balrog_ | (that guy) | Mar 29 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Like nude women can breed rape | Mar 29 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | and they want to take the road of Java | Mar 29 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | they created codeplex to host open source .NET projects | Mar 29 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | they want to gather a community | Mar 29 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | like Java's one? | Mar 29 00:14 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theo... ([theora] libtheora 1.1alpha1 (thusnelda) release) | Mar 29 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they talked about it | Mar 29 00:15 |
| Eruaran|alphates | .NET doesn't run on anything but Windows | Mar 29 00:15 |
| schestowitz | They know they are dying | Mar 29 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Becaus they say the devs (brightest ones) go to FOSS | Mar 29 00:15 |
| schestowitz | And their only way to fight back is to emulate and steal that | Mar 29 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Not working for them | Mar 29 00:15 |
| schestowitz | It has gone almost nowhere on _BIG INVESTMENTS_ | Mar 29 00:16 |
| schestowitz | And umping too | Mar 29 00:16 |
| Balrog_ | yeah.... | Mar 29 00:16 |
| _Hicham_ | MSFT is around $18 | Mar 29 00:17 |
| MinceR | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... | Mar 29 00:20 |
| MinceR | ooh, SideShow! the technology that allows your laptop's display to get scratched even if the lid is closed! :> | Mar 29 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Use a PDA | Mar 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz | You can take your 'SideShow without lugging a laptop | Mar 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Same components... | Mar 29 00:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Use Wifi to connect | Mar 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Who's the idiot who came up with SideShow? | Mar 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Probably the same fool who thought people would pay $15,000 for some big ass table with no apps | Mar 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz | They wanted to kill the product | Mar 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Robert Bach wanted to kill it | Mar 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz | But BillG resisted | Mar 29 00:26 |
| MinceR | someone from the m$ marketing division | Mar 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz | They knew it would be a disaster | Mar 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz | But Billie had a dream | Mar 29 00:26 |
| MinceR | (one of the three divisions of m$, the other two being legal and sales) | Mar 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Not it's a total disaster but the Wintel press is to shy to write about it | Mar 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz | The next SPOT Watch | Mar 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz | DOA | Mar 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz | It's actually people like BillG who said something like "this is the stupidest f*ing idea I've hever read" | Mar 29 00:27 |
| schestowitz | He said it to a nervous new guy who presented | Mar 29 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes he sleeps when people talk | Mar 29 00:27 |
| schestowitz | And yell at people | Mar 29 00:27 |
| schestowitz | They call him a bully at MS | Mar 29 00:27 |
| MinceR | what do they call SweatyBeast then? | Mar 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz | They don't call it "legal" BTW | Mar 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz | They cal it "engineers" | Mar 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz | They engineer patents | Mar 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz | 10,000 successful ones | Mar 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Including greatest hits like the smiley face | Mar 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz | SweatyBeast? | Mar 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz | The other one | Mar 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Let me find the video | Mar 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?... | Mar 29 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Is he trying to be funny or just lunatic-type scary? | Mar 29 00:30 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they entertain the illusion of doing engineering | Mar 29 00:31 |
| MinceR | just like that other marketing department called apple | Mar 29 00:32 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : is it a muscle exhibition | Mar 29 00:32 |
| MinceR | i think he's just being a plain, garden-variety lunatic. | Mar 29 00:32 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft marketing, at its peak, could make even Windows worst aspects seem like features | Mar 29 00:33 |
| Eruaran | Remember when someone doing PR for Microsoft once responded to a question about Windows being full of security holes when compared to Linux ? | Mar 29 00:33 |
| schestowitz | They want to put him in an institute, but he pays bailout ;-) j/k | Mar 29 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Bring Ballmer back to the MSzoo by 5pm | Mar 29 00:34 |
| Eruaran | "it is more porus than Linux" | Mar 29 00:34 |
| Eruaran | They described Windows as being more "porus" than Linux and actually made it sound good... | Mar 29 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Purr..... | Mar 29 00:35 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : u don't have Windows on any of ur machines? | Mar 29 00:36 |
| Eruaran | *porous | Mar 29 00:36 |
| _Hicham_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBQ4... | Mar 29 00:39 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 29 00:43 |
| _Hicham_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YgZ... | Mar 29 00:45 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, sorry | Mar 29 00:53 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : nice to hear | Mar 29 00:54 |
| _Hicham_ | do u use gnash or adobe flash? | Mar 29 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer speaks to the Hungarians like they are stupid | Mar 29 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Listen to him.... | Mar 29 00:54 |
| schestowitz | "How many of you still take e-xami-na-shens?" | Mar 29 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer was deposed in December (For collusion) | Mar 29 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the SEC will crack down on his office one day for fraud too | Mar 29 00:56 |
| schestowitz | They raised Hungarian offices of Microsoft already | Mar 29 00:56 |
| _Hicham_ | they want developers | Mar 29 00:56 |
| _Hicham_ | developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers ... | Mar 29 00:56 |
| _Hicham_ | that is Ballmer's favorite song | Mar 29 00:57 |
| schestowitz | search for "Web developers ballmer" | Mar 29 00:57 |
| schestowitz | He's now pretending that it was all humour when he went nuts | Mar 29 00:58 |
| schestowitz | He repeats those acts more gently | Mar 29 00:58 |
| schestowitz | But it makes things worse | Mar 29 00:58 |
| _Hicham_ | Web Developers | Mar 29 01:00 |
| _Hicham_ | do they really lack web developer | Mar 29 01:00 |
| _Hicham_ | developers? | Mar 29 01:00 |
| schestowitz | They have bad developers, IMHO | Mar 29 01:09 |
| schestowitz | People who are not passionate | Mar 29 01:09 |
| schestowitz | MS programming = client | Mar 29 01:09 |
| schestowitz | You use vendor's product | Mar 29 01:09 |
| schestowitz | FOSS => you become part of team/vendor | Mar 29 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Good programmer don't like being dominated | Mar 29 01:10 |
| schestowitz | *mers | Mar 29 01:10 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: the quality of the new theora encoder (the alpha) is amazing | Mar 29 01:14 |
| Balrog_ | it pretty much refutes to osnews article | Mar 29 01:14 |
| Balrog_ | the * | Mar 29 01:15 |
| Balrog_ | or at least makes it dated :) | Mar 29 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I know the OSNews articlc | Mar 29 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Is it *that* well known? | Mar 29 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Eugena got flak for it | Mar 29 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw refuted it also | Mar 29 01:18 |
| Balrog_ | well, it's one of the only tests | Mar 29 01:19 |
| Balrog_ | but to my eye, ogg is certainly worse quality than h.264 at the same bitrate | Mar 29 01:19 |
| Balrog_ | then alpha encoder is much better | Mar 29 01:20 |
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| devq | what does "raised hungarian offices" mean in other words? | Mar 29 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Raided | Mar 29 01:21 |
| schestowitz | How did you spot it? | Mar 29 01:22 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog_ : did avidemux work for u? | Mar 29 01:22 |
| Balrog_ | didn't try it, but I did work with the ogg people to figure out the problem | Mar 29 01:22 |
| Balrog_ | more hacking will be needed ;) | Mar 29 01:22 |
| _Hicham_ | what was the problem? | Mar 29 01:22 |
| devq | i'm with diff nick here also but it said that i'm not on channel and gotta type /rejoin | Mar 29 01:22 |
| devq | but it didn't help actually :) | Mar 29 01:23 |
| Balrog_ | ffmpeg creates somewhat malformed oggs, but the oggCat utility is broken | Mar 29 01:23 |
| _Hicham_ | did u try to just plain cat the files? | Mar 29 01:23 |
| _Hicham_ | cat file1 file2 > file3 | Mar 29 01:23 |
| Balrog_ | you can't cat ogg files because of this: | Mar 29 01:23 |
| _Hicham_ | ? | Mar 29 01:23 |
| _Hicham_ | because of the header? | Mar 29 01:23 |
| Balrog_ | "Well... chained streams are less common, so they don't get tested as well… and a lot of players really were not built around streaming containers. If you squint and ignore chaning ogg looks enough like a non-streaming non-linear container (a pretty poor one though) so they often treat it like one." | Mar 29 01:24 |
| Balrog_ | when you cat a file, you get a chained stream | Mar 29 01:24 |
| Balrog_ | that's from an ogg dev | Mar 29 01:24 |
| devq | what's nonlinear container? | Mar 29 01:26 |
| Balrog_ | that's what the dev at #theora said | Mar 29 01:27 |
| schestowitz | YouTUbe needs quality control (pro-BS patents..): http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Mar 29 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : do u use official flash player? | Mar 29 01:33 |
| Balrog_ | seems like the new theora encoder is also faster. | Mar 29 01:33 |
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| schestowitz | hehe. Related video to that.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p... | Mar 29 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the stupid Mac screwing with Ban's ( zoobab01 's) talk... | Mar 29 01:34 |
| Balrog_ | what offset? | Mar 29 01:35 |
| Balrog_ | wait, full screen? :P | Mar 29 01:35 |
| Balrog_ | what app are they using? looks like some adobe product.... | Mar 29 01:36 |
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| _Hicham_ | there is no fullscreen in Mac I think | Mar 29 01:37 |
| _Hicham_ | but its design is weird | Mar 29 01:37 |
| Balrog_ | fullscreen is app dependent | Mar 29 01:37 |
| _Hicham_ | those two guys seems dumb | Mar 29 01:38 |
| Balrog_ | for example, quick look can do full screen | Mar 29 01:38 |
| Balrog_ | so can quicktime | Mar 29 01:38 |
| Balrog_ | if you mean 'make windows fill screen', then just manually resize. It resizes to fit the window without any whitespace | Mar 29 01:38 |
| _Hicham_ | MS still uses flash on its website | Mar 29 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | weird | Mar 29 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Lessig explains net neutrality very clearly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?... | Mar 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: not weid | Mar 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Silverlight is a loser | Mar 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz | After years out there in the market | Mar 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | And they know it | Mar 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | They said so ti IDG | Mar 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Blaming the economy | Mar 29 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Lawrence lessig on Al Jazeera: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEP8... | Mar 29 01:58 |
| _Hicham_ | good night Roy! | Mar 29 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Mar 29 02:18 |
| Net neutrality is not only about blocking access of users, it's also about blocking user's ability to share. | Mar 29 02:29 | |
| it's one thing to limit "uploading" based on technical limitations, and another to forbid users from running services. | Mar 29 02:30 | |
| Lessig's explanation is much better than Democracy Now's | Mar 29 02:32 | |
| but his focus on "competition" and economic issues is not helpful, it's an ethical and freedom issue. | Mar 29 02:33 | |
| he too focuses on "consumer" issues, so wrong. | Mar 29 02:34 | |
| People should think of web services as a fundamental skill, like writing. It's really no more difficult and everyone should be outraged that they are largely forbidden from doing so. | Mar 29 02:37 | |
| Freedom of the press is not about creating profitable businesses, it's about freedom and sharing. | Mar 29 02:39 | |
| The giant media companies that grew from late 19th and early 20th century printing and broadcasting are anomalies that should vanish. | Mar 29 02:40 | |
| Freedom of press reasoning has always been with us and US laws protecting it were established back when presses were powered by human muscles and fit in a few rooms. | Mar 29 02:41 | |
| It is time to reassert our rights to participate in public life and publication. I wish Lessig would express this more clearly. | Mar 29 02:42 | |
| Web 2.0 is a centralization of power on the internet, not a distribution! If I have to go to another to publish, I've lost power. If he does not push the decentralization down to the individual, the broadcasters will invade and conquer the web. I don't care about monetary success like Lessig does, it's a mistake. | Mar 29 02:51 | |
| Web 2.0 might be less centralized than broadcast but it's not as decentralized as publishing used to be. | Mar 29 02:52 | |
| and it's not free | Mar 29 02:55 | |
| freedom is more important than "creating value" | Mar 29 02:56 | |
| it's bothersome that Lessig focuses on companies like Google because his grasp of culture and history is so good. | Mar 29 03:04 | |
| he needs to take it all the way back to individual people on the network. | Mar 29 03:05 | |
| Love his description of M$ worms. Too bad he does not point it back to non free software. | Mar 29 03:22 | |
| Ahhh, the Internet 9/11 from something called "Z theory." good of him to mention that | Mar 29 03:23 | |
| too bad he answers the bogus "anarchy" arguments with "we will do better." the idea that more communications are polarizing is about as stupid as saying "knowledge creates ignorance." | Mar 29 03:25 | |
| truth comes from free expression | Mar 29 03:25 | |
| noise should be ignored. it's not like broadcasters were better at delivering truth. | Mar 29 03:26 | |
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| zer0c00l | when roy will comeback anybody know? | Mar 29 06:17 |
| zer0c00l | whats the time in UK? | Mar 29 06:17 |
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| oiaohm | Ok at 4 hours idle I would say another 4 hours yet zer0c00l | Mar 29 06:40 |
| zer0c00l | oiaohm: he lives in UK? | Mar 29 06:41 |
| oiaohm | I normally work off a persons idle time. | Mar 29 06:42 |
| oiaohm | Its rough but normally gets me close. | Mar 29 06:42 |
| oiaohm | To when they will be back. | Mar 29 06:42 |
| zer0c00l | i sometime sleep 2 hours a day :P | Mar 29 06:42 |
| zer0c00l | seems link 7 in the morning there in UK | Mar 29 06:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz is on adverage 8 hours idle. | Mar 29 06:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes it also known the person on the other end. | Mar 29 06:44 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 29 08:57 |
| zer0c00l | yeah | Mar 29 09:01 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: she mailed you? | Mar 29 09:01 |
| zer0c00l | did you see RaSh last post: "Thanks for opening my eyes! | Mar 29 09:04 |
| zer0c00l | Shit. I’m sure going to hell. :(" | Mar 29 09:04 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Mar 29 09:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 29 09:16 |
| schestowitz | I was sent an E-mail from them | Mar 29 09:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft ain't happy | Mar 29 09:17 |
| zer0c00l | what did they sent? | Mar 29 09:17 |
| schestowitz | I removed the photos | Mar 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz | The Microsofter bless thy mighty 'IP' | Mar 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Can't /sahre | Mar 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz | *share | Mar 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Oh! My mind! I remember those picture | Mar 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Must. Get. Rid. Of. These Photos. In my mind. Must........ | Mar 29 09:19 |
| schestowitz | It's not my precious IP... | Mar 29 09:19 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe Microsoft exploits undergrads to molest a nation | Mar 29 09:20 |
| schestowitz | It approaches naive people who would sell their countrymen for a mere buck | Mar 29 09:20 |
| schestowitz | And failing to defend it, they perfume it to themselves somehow | Mar 29 09:20 |
| zer0c00l | :( | Mar 29 09:21 |
| zer0c00l | cant share | Mar 29 09:21 |
| zer0c00l | what we could possibly do is give link to her blog | Mar 29 09:21 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 29 09:22 |
| zer0c00l | that would be cool | Mar 29 09:22 |
| zer0c00l | she had more pictures than i gave you | Mar 29 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes, hotmlinking | Mar 29 09:22 |
| schestowitz | *hotlinking is usually permitted | Mar 29 09:22 |
| schestowitz | brb | Mar 29 09:23 |
| schestowitz | The pictures are not crucial to the post anyway | Mar 29 09:23 |
| schestowitz | They don't add anything vital | Mar 29 09:23 |
| schestowitz | The captions say more than the photos | Mar 29 09:23 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Mar 29 09:24 |
| zer0c00l | yes | Mar 29 09:24 |
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| schestowitz | Do you know anything about Anvar Sadath? | Mar 29 09:31 |
| zer0c00l | no | Mar 29 09:36 |
| zer0c00l | who is Anvar sadath? | Mar 29 09:36 |
| zer0c00l | roy_: is it you schestowitz? | Mar 29 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hhe. "Any responsible politician should be encouraging a home grown Free Software industry because it creates the basis for future jobs. Learning Windows is like learning to eat every meal at McDonalds." | Mar 29 09:41 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: I'll write about it. | Mar 29 09:42 |
| schestowitz | If I omit names, I might repost some of these messages and put it in ODF planet..? | Mar 29 09:42 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: it's from Kerala | Mar 29 09:42 |
| schestowitz | New fiasco | Mar 29 09:42 |
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| PetoKraus | sry about that | Mar 29 09:46 |
| oiaohm | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... << Predictable out come. | Mar 29 09:47 |
| schestowitz | Stupid Fox NOooooz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U... | Mar 29 09:49 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/ameri... Funny it doesn't mention the same deeds in the EU. Hypocrites | Mar 29 10:02 |
| zer0c00l | IT@school anvar sadath <schestowitz> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world... Funny it doesn't mention the same deeds in the EU. Hypocrites | Mar 29 10:03 |
| zer0c00l | sry | Mar 29 10:03 |
| zer0c00l | http://itschool.gov.in/photogallery.htm | Mar 29 10:03 |
| zer0c00l | he is a odf alliance award winner http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/ ? | Mar 29 10:09 |
| oiaohm | MS patent threat on codecs is slowly disappearing. | Mar 29 10:11 |
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| oiaohm | But the threat of DRM is increasing due to the way its disappearing. | Mar 29 10:11 |
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| zer0c00l | anvar works:* Kufa (i=cf705997@gateway/web/ajax /mibbit.com/x-d28fc869386b8411) has left #boycottnovell | Mar 29 10:12 |
| zer0c00l | aaah | Mar 29 10:12 |
| zer0c00l | damn | Mar 29 10:12 |
| zer0c00l | Anvar works http://www.thinkdigit.com/details.php... | Mar 29 10:12 |
| zer0c00l | http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/02/... | Mar 29 10:12 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: do me a little favour | Mar 29 10:13 |
| zer0c00l | yes | Mar 29 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Find out if ZDNet is dying in September. | Mar 29 10:13 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing a post about it | Mar 29 10:13 |
| zer0c00l | they shutting down the website or something? | Mar 29 10:14 |
| zer0c00l | i cant understand | Mar 29 10:14 |
| zer0c00l | any keywords to search? | Mar 29 10:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: codecs from MS was the main (only?) reason why Red hat backed away from desktop for now | Mar 29 10:14 |
| zer0c00l | http://www.english-test.net/fo... | Mar 29 10:14 |
| zer0c00l | anvar talks about education system | Mar 29 10:14 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: he was pushing Microsoft software | Mar 29 10:15 |
| schestowitz | He's one of the bad guys | Mar 29 10:15 |
| schestowitz | And they gave him an award | Mar 29 10:15 |
| zer0c00l | oh thats bad | Mar 29 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Main reason Redhat looked at the desktop market and said were is the most money. | Mar 29 10:15 |
| zer0c00l | he supported free software in the past? | Mar 29 10:15 |
| schestowitz | It's a fiasco | Mar 29 10:15 |
| oiaohm | End result was business. | Mar 29 10:15 |
| schestowitz | People in Kerala are angry | Mar 29 10:15 |
| zer0c00l | now changed forced to change? | Mar 29 10:15 |
| zer0c00l | oh | Mar 29 10:16 |
| oiaohm | MS codecs did not really change Redhat plans. | Mar 29 10:16 |
| schestowitz | "Anwar is a bureaucrat came on top of IT@School project before 2 years. Actual Free Software & Open standards Adoption was done Much before that" | Mar 29 10:16 |
| schestowitz | "He was also part of Controversial Information Kerala Mission Project which tried to Computerise all Local self Goverments with Microsoft Technmology.. At that time he wrote a lot of articles defending MIcrosoft when Free Software Foundation Criticized them" | Mar 29 10:16 |
| schestowitz | He's a Trojan horse | Mar 29 10:16 |
| oiaohm | What is happening now. | Mar 29 10:16 |
| schestowitz | They negotiated the problem of codecs | Mar 29 10:17 |
| schestowitz | Shuttleworth too | Mar 29 10:17 |
| schestowitz | Shuttleworth gave up | Mar 29 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Is that the closed source codecs silvercrap needs. Nvidia is going to have processed by there card. | Mar 29 10:17 |
| schestowitz | He pays Microsoft for codecs in Ubuntu Remix whetever.... | Mar 29 10:17 |
| oiaohm | So yes nasty DRM embed in video card. | Mar 29 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Redhat is not like Ubuntu they never depended on the desktop market. | Mar 29 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Lay out the markets. Server nice paying for support contracts. Business desktops again will pay and will by support contracts. | Mar 29 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Home desktops you are stuffed. | Mar 29 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Redhat workstation has the same codecs as Ubuntu Remix or whatever. | Mar 29 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Redhat is after the money. The thing business wants is central management of desktops. | Mar 29 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Does redhat have that yet nop. So there was no point waste money marketing a desktop . | Mar 29 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Redhat selection not to stay in desktop was basically common sence for making profit schestowitz | Mar 29 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu on the other hand person at top has money and did not have to make a large profit. | Mar 29 10:23 |
| oiaohm | So redhat sits back and lets Ubuntu do the R&D. | Mar 29 10:23 |
| zer0c00l | Anvar a msdn user http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Fo... | Mar 29 10:24 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 29 10:25 |
| PetoKraus | !!!!!!!!!!!!!1 bloody retarded | Mar 29 10:25 |
| PetoKraus | i'm just fighting adobe's stupidity | Mar 29 10:25 |
| PetoKraus | FDF is such a retarded format | Mar 29 10:25 |
| oiaohm | Msdn user does not tell you much zer0c00l thinking I am 1. | Mar 29 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 29 10:25 |
| PetoKraus | 1) you can't open it under linux without acroreader, which is only 32bit | Mar 29 10:25 |
| schestowitz | New version of Reader for GNU/Linux now.. 9.1 | Mar 29 10:26 |
| PetoKraus | 2) if you open it under windows, and save the filled document, it saves the empty one | Mar 29 10:26 |
| PetoKraus | 3) if you print the document using PDFCreator, it doesn't work | Mar 29 10:26 |
| PetoKraus | for god's sake! | Mar 29 10:26 |
| PetoKraus | 4) Adobe's own "create PDF" requires Air and a registration process | Mar 29 10:27 |
| PetoKraus | i'm honestly going to print the document and fill it by hand | Mar 29 10:27 |
| PetoKraus | much less hassle | Mar 29 10:27 |
| zer0c00l | http://www.eindia.net.in/communityradio/... | Mar 29 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Be sane and use openoffice to create the form PetoKraus | Mar 29 10:28 |
| zer0c00l | in 2007 he uses windows 98 :D | Mar 29 10:28 |
| zer0c00l | see the slides | Mar 29 10:28 |
| PetoKraus | oiaohm: how | Mar 29 10:28 |
| PetoKraus | you mean, using Draw? | Mar 29 10:28 |
| PetoKraus | the problem is, i can open the PDF in the draw | Mar 29 10:28 |
| PetoKraus | but since openoffice is so shite and buggy | Mar 29 10:29 |
| PetoKraus | it displays black on black | Mar 29 10:29 |
| oiaohm | even with pdf import extention installed PetoKraus | Mar 29 10:29 |
| PetoKraus | that's the first thing i tried | Mar 29 10:29 |
| PetoKraus | it's unusable | Mar 29 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Great | Mar 29 10:30 |
| oiaohm | So you have a pure evil form. | Mar 29 10:30 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: thanks. | Mar 29 10:30 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: i am getting more | Mar 29 10:30 |
| zer0c00l | :-) | Mar 29 10:30 |
| zer0c00l | will be helpfull i guess | Mar 29 10:30 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Mar 29 10:31 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 29 10:32 |
| schestowitz | I will post it all later | Mar 29 10:32 |
| zer0c00l | anvar worked in a company | Mar 29 10:32 |
| zer0c00l | he used .NET | Mar 29 10:32 |
| schestowitz | People pushed for Free softare and ODF | Mar 29 10:32 |
| zer0c00l | he is basically a doze developer | Mar 29 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Then some MS lackey comes along and claims credit | Mar 29 10:32 |
| zer0c00l | http://www.technosoftcorp.com/... | Mar 29 10:32 |
| zer0c00l | see photo 4 | Mar 29 10:32 |
| PetoKraus | oiaohm: http://pk.gjhak.sk/old/.stora... | Mar 29 10:33 |
| PetoKraus | it's broken | Mar 29 10:33 |
| PetoKraus | i'm sorry, but it is | Mar 29 10:33 |
| MinceR | openoffice fails at handling color schemes that aren't black-on-white | Mar 29 10:34 |
| zer0c00l | Those who have achieved basic e-literacy could enrol in advanced programmes such as e-Vidya-Microsoft Office Package, Internet for all, Arabic typing tutor, Microsoft Unlimited Potential Programme, and more. | Mar 29 10:34 |
| PetoKraus | and no, there's no way to set these colours to normal ones | Mar 29 10:34 |
| PetoKraus | MinceR: yeah | Mar 29 10:34 |
| zer0c00l | http://www.thinkdigit.com/detail... | Mar 29 10:34 |
| MinceR | so i use gnome office instead :> | Mar 29 10:34 |
| PetoKraus | well | Mar 29 10:34 |
| MinceR | (and latex) | Mar 29 10:34 |
| PetoKraus | i use gnumeric for graphs | Mar 29 10:34 |
| PetoKraus | and opening it in gimp and editing it like that | Mar 29 10:35 |
| PetoKraus | is pain in the ass as well | Mar 29 10:35 |
| PetoKraus | easier to print it out and fill by hand | Mar 29 10:35 |
| PetoKraus | just before someone tries to be smartass and recommend another "solution" :P | Mar 29 10:35 |
| *zer0c00l wonders why did they give him award? | Mar 29 10:35 | |
| *schestowitz adds to notes | Mar 29 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: maybe stupidity | Mar 29 10:36 |
| schestowitz | They probably can't retract it now | Mar 29 10:36 |
| schestowitz | But people need to know who he is | Mar 29 10:36 |
| schestowitz | In Kerala, Free software proponents got pushed out of their job | Mar 29 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft lackeys are probably the cause | Mar 29 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Evil company | Mar 29 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Now they replace and reard | Mar 29 10:37 |
| zer0c00l | yes i read about it "It managers were asked to resign" | Mar 29 10:37 |
| zer0c00l | *IT | Mar 29 10:37 |
| zer0c00l | so anvar is the cause? | Mar 29 10:38 |
| PetoKraus | oh god | Mar 29 10:41 |
| PetoKraus | the file-roller bug is STILL not fixed | Mar 29 10:41 |
| PetoKraus | god's sake | Mar 29 10:41 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: I don't know | Mar 29 10:43 |
| schestowitz | I just know Microsoft has many Trojans | Mar 29 10:43 |
| schestowitz | In ODF too | Mar 29 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Lunds, Alex Brown.... | Mar 29 10:43 |
| schestowitz | It's like a disease.. | Mar 29 10:43 |
| zer0c00l | microsoft is a cancer :P | Mar 29 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Wait until they use their lackeys in kerala to promote MS Officee | Mar 29 10:45 |
| schestowitz | "it support ODF now..." | Mar 29 10:45 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft loves open source" | Mar 29 10:45 |
| schestowitz | "Codeplex... ms-pl..." | Mar 29 10:45 |
| zer0c00l | probably bipasha.chakrabarti@sun.com he is the one who might have proposed anvjjk | Mar 29 10:47 |
| zer0c00l | *anvars name to odf alliance | Mar 29 10:48 |
| zer0c00l | http://www.odfalliance.org/pres... | Mar 29 10:48 |
| schestowitz | You should stage some friendly protest | Mar 29 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Maybe on the Internet | Mar 29 10:50 |
| zer0c00l | yes, we need to first collect evidence of anvars love towards M$ | Mar 29 10:51 |
| zer0c00l | who are behind? | Mar 29 10:51 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: you inform people who mailed you | Mar 29 10:51 |
| zer0c00l | ask them to contact odf alliance , and protest to get back the award | Mar 29 10:52 |
| zer0c00l | brb | Mar 29 10:52 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | Mar 29 12:36 |
| _Hicham_ | how r u doing Roy? | Mar 29 12:36 |
| oiaohm | He is being fairly silent _Hicham_ | Mar 29 12:41 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 29 12:43 |
| schestowitz | I'm just writing something | Mar 29 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Sorry schestowitz just in a bite getting mood. | Mar 29 12:43 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: do you have public key? so that i could verify you signatures..Firegpg is not able to find your public keys | Mar 29 12:54 |
| zer0c00l | where did you store those pub keys? | Mar 29 12:54 |
| zer0c00l | i have started using it :) | Mar 29 12:55 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm | Mar 29 12:55 |
| _Hicham_ | how r u doing pal? | Mar 29 12:56 |
| schestowitz | schestowitz.com/PGP | Mar 29 12:56 |
| schestowitz | I got the OK to do the ODF story | Mar 29 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Doing fine other than being in a little of trouble making mood _Hicham_ | Mar 29 12:58 |
| *zer0c00l looks :-) | Mar 29 12:59 | |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : any data recovery incidents? | Mar 29 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Not today. | Mar 29 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Weekend. | Mar 29 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Most people wake up monday they have a problem. | Mar 29 13:01 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : do u think that MS is really dying? | Mar 29 13:01 |
| oiaohm | MS actions suggest it. | Mar 29 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Company with everything going fine don't try aggreesive actions. | Mar 29 13:02 |
| oiaohm | MS is depending after Windows 7 is released they can pull in more money from netbooks. | Mar 29 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Failure to do so will hit there bottom line hard. | Mar 29 13:03 |
| oiaohm | I see MS as many companies of the past. Got greed and got stupid because of it. | Mar 29 13:04 |
| _Hicham_ | they are bribing Netbooks companies | Mar 29 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Hardware companies have been reducing the price of there products and software companies have not followed. | Mar 29 13:05 |
| oiaohm | IE the software bubble. | Mar 29 13:05 |
| oiaohm | It has to bust at some point. | Mar 29 13:05 |
| _Hicham_ | their are reducing their OS cost | Mar 29 13:06 |
| _Hicham_ | laying off people | Mar 29 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Currently some netbook companies are heading to under 100 dollars. | Mar 29 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Even 4 dollars per machine will be a large block of cash out of that. | Mar 29 13:06 |
| _Hicham_ | they might sell Windows for less than $50 | Mar 29 13:07 |
| oiaohm | 4 dollars per OS is not livable. | Mar 29 13:07 |
| oiaohm | 50 is too much. | Mar 29 13:07 |
| oiaohm | You are talking half the price of the device. | Mar 29 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Arm processors are also way cheaper than intel. | Mar 29 13:07 |
| oiaohm | You are talking 80 dollars in hardware to build a 100 dollar netbook. | Mar 29 13:08 |
| _Hicham_ | they will try to sell Windows for free | Mar 29 13:08 |
| oiaohm | Yep exactly | Mar 29 13:08 |
| oiaohm | No income from windows. | Mar 29 13:08 |
| _Hicham_ | as a Lock-In strategy | Mar 29 13:08 |
| oiaohm | Problem is price is not going to rise. | Mar 29 13:09 |
| _Hicham_ | not if they relock the market | Mar 29 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Holding 100 percent of market and making no profit. | Mar 29 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Is linux that is holding the price down going to disappear _Hicham_ | Mar 29 13:09 |
| _Hicham_ | not disappear | Mar 29 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Its not something you can under cut and remove. | Mar 29 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Trying to undercut is just slow painful march to death. | Mar 29 13:10 |
| _Hicham_ | but they can bribe hardware makers | Mar 29 13:10 |
| _Hicham_ | as always | Mar 29 13:10 |
| oiaohm | So you mean - money. | Mar 29 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Ie paying for windows to be put on there machines. | Mar 29 13:11 |
| oiaohm | You have to be aware MS is already at 4 dollars per machine in netbook market. | Mar 29 13:11 |
| _Hicham_ | they have to do sthg about splashtop technology | Mar 29 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Problem is things like splashtop is 1 cent per machine. | Mar 29 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes 1 cent | Mar 29 13:12 |
| _Hicham_ | but MS don't contribute to splashtop | Mar 29 13:12 |
| oiaohm | Splashtop is Linux. | Mar 29 13:12 |
| _Hicham_ | so 1 cent goes to who? | Mar 29 13:12 |
| oiaohm | splashtop. | Mar 29 13:13 |
| oiaohm | For assembling the software. | Mar 29 13:13 |
| _Hicham_ | and will splashtop live with that? | Mar 29 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Splashtop does not have major development cost overheads like Microsoft. | Mar 29 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Splashtop is profitable at 1 cent per unit. | Mar 29 13:14 |
| _Hicham_ | 1 cent/unit? | Mar 29 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Mar 29 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Each machine/motherboard with splashtop on. Splashtop gets 1 cent. | Mar 29 13:14 |
| oiaohm | That is it. | Mar 29 13:14 |
| _Hicham_ | how many devices they have to sell then per month? | Mar 29 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Few million. | Mar 29 13:15 |
| oiaohm | They development team is 5. | Mar 29 13:15 |
| oiaohm | they/there | Mar 29 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Basically there overheads are nothing _Hicham_ | Mar 29 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Basically every 2 months they have enough money to pay there operation for a year _Hicham_ | Mar 29 13:16 |
| oiaohm | No way MS can operate at such a low point. | Mar 29 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Without major changes. | Mar 29 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Power of Open Source in a undercutting war. Its really hard to win because the groups you can be trying to under cut can have basically no overheads. | Mar 29 13:18 |
