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| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: search the news | Apr 29 19:59 |
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| MinceR | Balrog: your point of view seems to be distorted by the Reality Distortion Field. | Apr 29 19:59 |
| schestowitz | It's in many places niow | Apr 29 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Apples grow in Reality Distortion? | Apr 29 19:59 |
| Balrog | MinceR: no, yours is | Apr 29 19:59 |
| MinceR | something like that | Apr 29 19:59 |
| MinceR | Balrog: i'm not the apple fanboy here | Apr 29 19:59 |
| MinceR | so per definitio the RDF doesn't affect me | Apr 29 20:00 |
| Balrog | no, you bash them without knowing stuff | Apr 29 20:00 |
| _boo_ | MinceR, sounds like sadomasochism to me | Apr 29 20:00 |
| MinceR | no, i don't bash them | Apr 29 20:00 |
| MinceR | i criticize them fairly | Apr 29 20:00 |
| MinceR | and you're pissed because someone dares say ill about your beloved apple | Apr 29 20:00 |
| oso`perezoso | google rather smart move with android, enter the Cell Phone industry then netbooks. mmmm... | Apr 29 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Apple has strong PR | Apr 29 20:00 |
| MinceR | apple has a cult arount itself | Apr 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz | People no longer remember bugs that wiped huge lumps of people's data | Apr 29 20:01 |
| MinceR | s/nt/nd/ | Apr 29 20:01 |
| Balrog | MinceR: you say that apple has no engineering/etc, basically | Apr 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz | In Leopard IIRC | Apr 29 20:01 |
| MinceR | Balrog: which is true | Apr 29 20:01 |
| MinceR | Balrog: consider their OSes as a testament to that | Apr 29 20:01 |
| oso`perezoso | Apple user tools, command line are ALL ripped from open souce. | Apr 29 20:01 |
| MinceR | the OS they've written (MacOS "Classic") was decades behind all the others in fundamental ways | Apr 29 20:01 |
| Balrog | MinceR: you didn't use their OS for more than a few hours on regular hardware, so you're not qualified to say that | Apr 29 20:01 |
| MinceR | then they ripped off a lot of FLOSS projects to cobble together OSX | Apr 29 20:02 |
| Balrog | And user tools / command line have source files available | Apr 29 20:02 |
| MinceR | they exploit FLOSS while attacking it | Apr 29 20:02 |
| oso`perezoso | true | Apr 29 20:02 |
| Balrog | no, they ripped off NeXT, which they own | Apr 29 20:02 |
| Balrog | it already used GCC and BSD code | Apr 29 20:02 |
| trmanco | If Everything Was Made by Microsoft: http://www.cracked.com/article_... | Apr 29 20:02 |
| MinceR | NeXT was built by ripping off those projects | Apr 29 20:02 |
| MinceR | they didn't write GCC, nor Mach, nor FreeBSD | Apr 29 20:02 |
| oso`perezoso | MinceR: ha ha ha finally I found somebody realizing this and articulating it!!! | Apr 29 20:02 |
| MinceR | nor KHTML | Apr 29 20:02 |
| Balrog | they wrote Cocoa, the window manager, and the Obj-C frontend for GCC | Apr 29 20:03 |
| Balrog | among other things | Apr 29 20:03 |
| Balrog | (NeXT this is) | Apr 29 20:03 |
| MinceR | and the things they wrote suck horribly | Apr 29 20:03 |
| _boo_ | trmanco, in which way everything can be made by m$? it just won't exist | Apr 29 20:03 |
| _boo_ | 'cause they only steal | Apr 29 20:03 |
| Balrog | because you never tried them ... | Apr 29 20:03 |
| MinceR | i have tried them | Apr 29 20:03 |
| trmanco | _boo_, see the post, it's funny | Apr 29 20:03 |
| MinceR | and i know their capabilities | Apr 29 20:03 |
| MinceR | i know how much choice is offered to the user | Apr 29 20:03 |
| MinceR | (none) | Apr 29 20:04 |
| Balrog | yeah, for a few hours on unsupported hardware | Apr 29 20:04 |
| MinceR | unsupported hw doesn't change the way the GUI fundamentally works | Apr 29 20:04 |
| MinceR | and it doesn't change itself after few hours of runtime either | Apr 29 20:04 |
| Balrog | unsupported hardware may not make too much of a difference | Apr 29 20:04 |
| Balrog | but if you use it for more than a little bit, you find some of the more subtle features | Apr 29 20:05 |
| MinceR | i know what basic stuff you need to get (usually buy) third party sw to do | Apr 29 20:05 |
| MinceR | such as? | Apr 29 20:05 |
| Balrog | what basic stuff? | Apr 29 20:05 |
| MinceR | moving windows with alt+drag anywhere, for example | Apr 29 20:05 |
| MinceR | or reskinning the GUI | Apr 29 20:05 |
| Balrog | say, copying files into folders buried many layers deep | Apr 29 20:05 |
| MinceR | any filemanager does that nowadays | Apr 29 20:06 |
| MinceR | including konqueror and dolphin | Apr 29 20:06 |
| oso`perezoso | one thing Apple got right is OpenCL | Apr 29 20:06 |
| MinceR | something good may yet come of OpenCL | Apr 29 20:06 |
| MinceR | (it's that GPGPU standard, right?) | Apr 29 20:06 |
| Balrog | MinceR: wouldn't you say than that some of the UNIX flavors stole from BSD? | Apr 29 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Another OS X lookalike distribution: http://jonreagan.wordpress.co... | Apr 29 20:07 |
| MinceR | Balrog: some of them could have | Apr 29 20:07 |
| MinceR | Balrog: if they used BSDL code in closed-source apps and given nothing back to the developers or the community in general, then i'd say it's stealing | Apr 29 20:08 |
| MinceR | even if the BSDL allows it legally | Apr 29 20:08 |
| MinceR | and if you don't believe me, ask the OpenBSD guys about that | Apr 29 20:08 |
| MinceR | and OpenSSH | Apr 29 20:08 |
| Balrog | MinceR: the original copyright holders made it BSDL for a reason, I think | Apr 29 20:08 |
| Balrog | why didn't they use GPL then? | Apr 29 20:08 |
| oso`perezoso | MinceR: yes, at #macosx someone told me Snow Leopard will use GPGPU, as another processor when not in used | Apr 29 20:08 |
| MinceR | because GPL didn't exist or they didn't believe it was necessary | Apr 29 20:08 |
| MinceR | there still are people who are naive about licensing | Apr 29 20:08 |
| MinceR | they are the ones who say we can leave GPL already and switch to BSDL | Apr 29 20:09 |
| Balrog | and some who want their code to be used in proprietary software | Apr 29 20:09 |
| Balrog | I know people like that; there are more than you think | Apr 29 20:09 |
| MinceR | even as m$ and crApple provide proof that it isn't safe yet | Apr 29 20:09 |
| MinceR | Balrog: once again, ask the OpenBSD guys about that | Apr 29 20:09 |
| Balrog | well then, why do they keep using bsdl? | Apr 29 20:10 |
| MinceR | and let's not forget that apple keeps attacking FLOSS and small sw companies worldwide by pushing sw patents | Apr 29 20:10 |
| MinceR | Balrog: because they're naive | Apr 29 20:10 |
| MinceR | both directly and through BSA | Apr 29 20:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: funny. | Apr 29 20:11 |
| Balrog | Apple has to be careful with software patents. They get sued over them too | Apr 29 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Happy Birthday Opera: The Innovative Web Browser Turns 15 < http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Happy_B... > | Apr 29 20:12 |
| oso`perezoso | what's their reasoning about having all software patented? | Apr 29 20:12 |
| schestowitz | I agree with MinceR | Apr 29 20:12 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this before | Apr 29 20:12 |
| _boo_ | oso`perezoso not only sw | Apr 29 20:12 |
| schestowitz | We saw Apple exploiting while attacking Linux | Apr 29 20:12 |
| schestowitz | OSS!=:Linux | Apr 29 20:12 |
| MinceR | Balrog: both crApple and m$ are in that situation and they don't care | Apr 29 20:12 |
| _boo_ | so you will pay them for using natural numbers in your program, oso`perezoso | Apr 29 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Apple is SCARED of Linux | Apr 29 20:12 |
| Balrog | they don't need to be scared of linux | Apr 29 20:12 |
| Balrog | MS does | Apr 29 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Linux = commodity OS X with more hardware and lower price | Apr 29 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Apple upper hand: marketing (ignorance) | Apr 29 20:13 |
| MinceR | Balrog: and i'll reiterate: using BSDL-ed code while attacking FLOSS is definitely stealing | Apr 29 20:13 |
| MinceR | it's what crApple and m$ both do | Apr 29 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: sure they are | Apr 29 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Apple is scared of Linux | Apr 29 20:13 |
| schestowitz | They attack it | Apr 29 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Palm too | Apr 29 20:13 |
| schestowitz | "omg they make a phone similar to ours!" | Apr 29 20:13 |
| oso`perezoso | interesting. | Apr 29 20:13 |
| Balrog | the attacks I've seen so far have been very indirect, AFAICT | Apr 29 20:13 |
| MinceR | similar, except with vastly greater functionality. | Apr 29 20:14 |
| Balrog | if you can even call them attacks | Apr 29 20:14 |
| schestowitz | "fast! make that paper thing which sez we invented touching screen in two places" | Apr 29 20:14 |
| oso`perezoso | anyone with a G1 cell phone? | Apr 29 20:14 |
| MinceR | they didn't even invent multitouch | Apr 29 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Of course not | Apr 29 20:14 |
| MinceR | Balrog: trying to make FLOSS impossible is an attack on FLOSS | Apr 29 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe neanderthals did | Apr 29 20:14 |
| MinceR | Balrog: sw patents would do that. | Apr 29 20:14 |
| schestowitz | When painting in caves or something | Apr 29 20:14 |
| oso`perezoso | MinceR: what Cell Phone do you advocate using? | Apr 29 20:14 |
| MinceR | Balrog: sw patents also make business impossible for small sw developer companies | Apr 29 20:15 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: i'm not sure yet, i'm mostly waiting | Apr 29 20:15 |
| Balrog | MinceR: don't forget the investors | Apr 29 20:15 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: i'm pondering getting the dev version of a G1 and putting OpenMoko on it. | Apr 29 20:15 |
| schestowitz | APple USED to whine about patgents | Apr 29 20:15 |
| schestowitz | It was a small company then | Apr 29 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Masnick fouund the references | Apr 29 20:15 |
| MinceR | Balrog: the investors of apple? | Apr 29 20:15 |
| oso`perezoso | lol | Apr 29 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Where Woz&gang complain about patents | Apr 29 20:15 |
| Balrog | and the possibility of getting sued for infringing others' patents, and the posibility of settling by cross licensing | Apr 29 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Not they file them as often as Hilton gets knocked up | Apr 29 20:15 |
| MinceR | Balrog: where does patent FUD against Palm come into that? | Apr 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Apple also blocked kde development | Apr 29 20:16 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: exactly -- patents are bad for small companies | Apr 29 20:16 |
| MinceR | and apple is a bunch of fucking hypocrites | Apr 29 20:16 |
| oso`perezoso | oh interesting, so patents work as minefield for small sw devs? | Apr 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | RMS is right to emphasise that non-Free software is an issue | Apr 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Patents too | Apr 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Not just Microsoft | Apr 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Not just Unisys | Apr 29 20:16 |
| schestowitz | It's the whole stupid mentality | Apr 29 20:17 |
| MinceR | for the IT world to flourish, m$ and crApple both have to die | Apr 29 20:17 |
| MinceR | the more painfully they die, the stronger the example for the others would be. | Apr 29 20:17 |
| Balrog | patents are dangerous, because if you're big, you have no choice but to play, and if you're small, you can't win | Apr 29 20:17 |
| MinceR | actually you do have choices if you are big | Apr 29 20:17 |
| oso`perezoso | wow, that's something revolutionary to say. | Apr 29 20:17 |
| MinceR | you can keep patents but not attack anyone unless you're attacked | Apr 29 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: don't defend patents now | Apr 29 20:17 |
| schestowitz | C'mon | Apr 29 20:17 |
| MinceR | you can definitely refrain from publishing FUD articles | Apr 29 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Just because you like Apple doesn't mean you like patents, does it? | Apr 29 20:18 |
| MinceR | apple certainly didn't refrain from either | Apr 29 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Just because I agree with RMS doesn't mean I advocate legalising pot | Apr 29 20:18 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: he likes apple and that makes _everything_ apple ever does perfectly excusable for him. | Apr 29 20:18 |
| oso`perezoso | wow, that's interesting I never thought the Patent system being a tool for domination. | Apr 29 20:18 |
| MinceR | that's the RDF. | Apr 29 20:18 |
| oso`perezoso | *dominating | Apr 29 20:18 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: I'm not defending patents | Apr 29 20:19 |
| schestowitz | The Opera Browser Turns 15 Years Old Today < http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... >. OK, do when Opera turns 18 can it take the gown off (open source)? | Apr 29 20:19 |
| Balrog | the whole system is messed up | Apr 29 20:19 |
| oso`perezoso | LMAO@RMS not advocating legal pot!! | Apr 29 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Linux is now 18. fsck it. | Apr 29 20:19 |
| MinceR | and the whole system being messed up somehow gives apple excuse to abuse it in the worst way? | Apr 29 20:19 |
| Balrog | MinceR: they're not abusing it as .. say .. MS or the other patent trolls | Apr 29 20:20 |
| Balrog | suing over stupid fat32 patents | Apr 29 20:20 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: he does not want it criminalised | Apr 29 20:20 |
| MinceR | Balrog: actually they're abusing it in the exact same way as m$ does | Apr 29 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I guess the question is, what to do abouy alcohol and tobacco? Glue? | Apr 29 20:20 |
| oso`perezoso | what I've noticed if something wants to be commercial has to enter the licensing and patent game a priory | Apr 29 20:20 |
| oso`perezoso | & a priori | Apr 29 20:20 |
| MinceR | another thing a big player can do about patents is form an organization with other big players and form a patent pool | Apr 29 20:21 |
| MinceR | that's what OIN is about | Apr 29 20:21 |
| Balrog | MinceR: that's what MPEG-LA is about, pretty much ... and we don't like them | Apr 29 20:21 |
| MinceR | though imo they should be more aggressive when m$ and crApple are attacking FLOSS | Apr 29 20:21 |
| MinceR | Balrog: they can conduct their business in a variety of ways | Apr 29 20:22 |
| oso`perezoso | MinceR: yes I noticed that too. The mass-patent just about anything and share it among themselvel | Apr 29 20:22 |
| MinceR | especially if there's a common cause -- FLOSS. | Apr 29 20:22 |
| oso`perezoso | like a patent cartel | Apr 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: Techie Moe hates Arch: http://www.techiemoe.com/te... | Apr 29 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes, patent cartel | Apr 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | I like that term | Apr 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | But it means something else | Apr 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | The patent cartel is the one lobbying for them | Apr 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Patent umbrellas/pools is another monster | Apr 29 20:23 |
| oso`perezoso | patents are inherently part of the capitalist economy. In order to have a FOSS the whole structure has to change, starting from banks etc. | Apr 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Not to be confused by terminology that overlaps | Apr 29 20:23 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: no they aren't | Apr 29 20:23 |
| schestowitz | The party line of a cartel units them | Apr 29 20:24 |
| MinceR | a capitalist economy can work very well without patents | Apr 29 20:24 |
| schestowitz | As in, politiocal agenda for example | Apr 29 20:24 |
| MinceR | in fact, it has functioned without patents before patents were invented | Apr 29 20:24 |
| schestowitz | OIN is like monoolistic orgy | Apr 29 20:24 |
| oso`perezoso | LMAO@party line of cartels | Apr 29 20:24 |
| MinceR | and the IT industry functioned well before sw patents were invented | Apr 29 20:24 |
| Balrog | oso`perezoso: Patents are there for a reason. They prevent inventors from keeping their inventions secret. | Apr 29 20:24 |
| schestowitz | All the so-called geniuses put piles of papers together and shout to their patent God | Apr 29 20:24 |
| oso`perezoso | wha't OIN? | Apr 29 20:24 |
| schestowitz | OINK | Apr 29 20:24 |
| Balrog | but that's not the case with software | Apr 29 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Without the K | Apr 29 20:24 |
| MinceR | patents are supposed to encourage invention and innovation | Apr 29 20:25 |
| MinceR | but they don't | Apr 29 20:25 |
| MinceR | at least not in the way the system works now | Apr 29 20:25 |
| Balrog | not when they are extremely broad or cover trivial 'inventions' | Apr 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | new: Oi, OIN: What Took So Long? http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/04... | Apr 29 20:25 |
| MinceR | especially not in the way sw patents work | Apr 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | comment: saulgoode: "Peer-to-Patent does good things for bad reasons. OIN does bad things for good reasons. " | Apr 29 20:25 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the cartel is the innovation<->patent chanter | Apr 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Also today: Once Again: Patents Do Not Equal Innovation < http://techdirt.com/articles/20... | Apr 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | It's the party line | Apr 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Repeat and repat | Apr 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | People will believe it | Apr 29 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Heil USPTO heil | Apr 29 20:26 |
| oso`perezoso | something similar happened to OLPC, it started as great philantropic project and soon got caught by the patent and licencing sharks | Apr 29 20:27 |
| schestowitz | And the innovation fairy comes flying across the room | Apr 29 20:27 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: a convict | Apr 29 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Intel/MS-affiliated | Apr 29 20:27 |
| MinceR | OLPC got caught by m$, primarily | Apr 29 20:27 |
| oso`perezoso | it's quite interesting to see how intel, m$ et al stave OLPC from the start | Apr 29 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | I call OLPC One License Per Child | Apr 29 20:28 |
| oso`perezoso | LMAO!!!! | Apr 29 20:28 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: OLPC is moving to ARM | Apr 29 20:28 |
| MinceR | nice | Apr 29 20:28 |
| MinceR | i mean the "One License Per Child" gag | Apr 29 20:28 |
| Balrog | and there is no Windows for ARM other than WinMo / CE | Apr 29 20:28 |
| Balrog | and they don't want that | Apr 29 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Fixing some Ubuntu 9.04 annoyances < http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2009/04... > | Apr 29 20:28 |
| MinceR | m$ would force wince on children if it meant more money... or more brainwashing | Apr 29 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: VIA | Apr 29 20:29 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: VIA is OLPC 1.5 | Apr 29 20:29 |
| Balrog | OLPC 2 will be ARM | Apr 29 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 29 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Will it live that long? | Apr 29 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer is breathing down its neck | Apr 29 20:29 |
| Balrog | I sure hope so. India ordered some, I heard | Apr 29 20:29 |
| schestowitz | And Nick speaks of MSFTism | Apr 29 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sorry, but just from a usability standpoint, Linux beats Windows on those gadget | Apr 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes | Apr 29 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | they don't get REAL XP even | Apr 29 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | they get Crippled XP that can onl run three programs at once | Apr 29 20:30 |
| Balrog | heh ... Win7 Starter | Apr 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | They get tellytubby wallpaper? | Apr 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I think they get one of those 'business' wallpapers | Apr 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | The 6-y-o Anita must be impressed | Apr 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Off she does to run Diablo on her OLPC | Apr 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Poor gal | Apr 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | She caught a virus | Apr 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Not malaria | Apr 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Conficker | Apr 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz | "What is it doctor? | Apr 29 20:31 |
| MinceR | just from a usability standpoint, GNU/Linux beats everything on Earth. | Apr 29 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | Why would they cripple it to only run three apps at a time, only accept up to 1 gig of RAM, and not work on dual core CPUs? | Apr 29 20:31 |
| schestowitz | "Why I got? what I got?" | Apr 29 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Meases?!?! Malaria?!?!?!?! | Apr 29 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | do they expect people to stop copying real Windows for that? | Apr 29 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Doc: "No" | Apr 29 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Doc: "Conficker" | Apr 29 20:31 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure what they expect | Apr 29 20:31 |
| schestowitz | "What to do?" | Apr 29 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | *I* would not pay $3 for Windows starter | Apr 29 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 29 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Doc: "Here. Sugar on a stick. Runs Fedora" | Apr 29 20:32 |
| oso`perezoso | by the way there's an interesting project called ReactOS | Apr 29 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Leonidas | Apr 29 20:32 |
| MinceR | perhaps that users will pay up for the version that doesn't have that limitation? | Apr 29 20:32 |
| schestowitz | *measles | Apr 29 20:32 |
| MinceR | ReactOS is an attempt to make a good implementation of a bad design | Apr 29 20:32 |
| MinceR | waste of effort. | Apr 29 20:32 |
| MinceR | but it isn't my effort, so i don't care :> | Apr 29 20:32 |
| schestowitz | It's like Mono | Apr 29 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | the whole point of Starter is that unlicensed Vista Ultimate CDs are like $5 in china | Apr 29 20:32 |
| oso`perezoso | lol | Apr 29 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Glorfying bad engineering. | Apr 29 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | so they give you licensed crippleware for $3 | Apr 29 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | and think that's going to help stop it? | Apr 29 20:33 |
| MinceR | i don't know the bad engineering aspect of mono | Apr 29 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 29 20:33 |
| schestowitz | But Reactos | Apr 29 20:33 |
| schestowitz | BillG (brain)farts, someone react(o)s | Apr 29 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | ReactOS bit off more than it could chew | Apr 29 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 29 20:33 |
| oso`perezoso | DaemonFC: that's works for the benefit of m$$$ have the ppl adopt m$, sread it by pirating then talk to the government :D | Apr 29 20:34 |
| oso`perezoso | DaemonFC: remember that China is part of the WTO | Apr 29 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | right, but why buy crippled $3 Vista Starter | Apr 29 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | when unlicensed $5 Vista Ultimate is there? | Apr 29 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 29 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, not my point | Apr 29 20:35 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll send out the pigs^Wcops to look for people using unlicensed vista ultimate | Apr 29 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | my point is why would you do that to save $2 and get something that's so crippled it's useless? | Apr 29 20:35 |
| MinceR | they don't really know, there's that gates quote about figuring out how to collect later | Apr 29 20:35 |
| oso`perezoso | lol | Apr 29 20:35 |
| MinceR | perhaps they're still hoping they can retake market share/installed base from GNU/Linux | Apr 29 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft would be doing themselves a favor if they started selling licensed Vista Ultimate for $5 | Apr 29 20:36 |
| oso`perezoso | they won't go after ppl, but enforce it at a government level in terms of trade agreements | Apr 29 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | then they would run all the "pirates" out by destroying their market | Apr 29 20:36 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: he's an idiot | Apr 29 20:36 |
| PetoKraus | apparently | Apr 29 20:36 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll come up with a deal to buy vista ultimate for everyone from tax money | Apr 29 20:36 |
| MinceR | and they'll tell the people "it's free" | Apr 29 20:37 |
| MinceR | just like they do in hungary! | Apr 29 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | China doesn't have that kind of an economy | Apr 29 20:37 |
| oso`perezoso | lol | Apr 29 20:37 |
| oso`perezoso | MinceR: for real?? | Apr 29 20:37 |
| MinceR | (of course it's not vista ultimate, only for students and for a lot more than $5) | Apr 29 20:37 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: not exactly, but the basic deal is the same | Apr 29 20:37 |
| oso`perezoso | ah ok. | Apr 29 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | I have every version of Windows from 3.0 to Vista | Apr 29 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | including all the NTs | Apr 29 20:38 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: that is, steal a lot of tax money, give it to ballmer, receive crap in exchange, give it to people and tell them it's free | Apr 29 20:38 |
| oso`perezoso | wow, interesting topic. | Apr 29 20:38 |
| MinceR | when in fact they've paid for something they didn't want nor need involuntarily | Apr 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Linux Fanboys Spread The Most Lies About Linux < http://www.customdistros.com/20... > | Apr 29 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's easy to get cheap Windows, sign up for ONE credit hour at the local city college | Apr 29 20:39 |
| oso`perezoso | I always thought programming was about getting cool code to run. But there's hell'uv lot more involved oO | Apr 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | and they've paid a price they never knew and could never control or decide on | Apr 29 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | then copy down your student ID number | Apr 29 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | and send it to Microsoft | Apr 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: this isn't programming | Apr 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: m$ and little m$ (also known as apple) doesn't do programming | Apr 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: they do marketing and litigation | Apr 29 20:39 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: what did he do this time? | Apr 29 20:39 |
| MinceR | you can see what they did to the IT industry | Apr 29 20:39 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: i mean the archlinux review | Apr 29 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | I think the 1 credit hour cost me a little over $50 | Apr 29 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | and all it was was a CPR class I was going to have to take anyway | Apr 29 20:40 |
| MinceR | the basic expectation of the user now is that stuff just won't work right and that's the only way it can be | Apr 29 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 29 20:40 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: it's like "omg omg i clicked trough the stuff without reading and it doesn't work oh oh it sucks" | Apr 29 20:40 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: yes, he always vents and rants | Apr 29 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | well, every distribution does horrible things that make no sense to you | Apr 29 20:40 |
| PetoKraus | well | Apr 29 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | because it has to be one-size-fits-most | Apr 29 20:41 |
| PetoKraus | untrue | Apr 29 20:41 |
| PetoKraus | if you read the stuff on the screen | Apr 29 20:41 |
| PetoKraus | and see "you need to select a mirror" | Apr 29 20:41 |
| PetoKraus | and you don't select it | Apr 29 20:41 |
| PetoKraus | and then you whine when your package manager has no mirror to go to | Apr 29 20:41 |
| *oso`perezoso try to pictures what sort of OS MinceR is running | Apr 29 20:41 | |
| PetoKraus | you are a douchebag | Apr 29 20:41 |
| *oso`perezoso *tries | Apr 29 20:42 | |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: ubuntu | Apr 29 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | Hungarian Vista Starter | Apr 29 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva is praised for good KDE 4.2 implementation: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/36199 | Apr 29 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | complete with local wallpapers | Apr 29 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 29 20:42 |
| MinceR | does mandriva have kde4.2 patches that make plasma not suck? :> | Apr 29 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Wallpapers-- major feature of Vista | Apr 29 20:42 |
| MinceR | btw, what distro does still support kde3? | Apr 29 20:42 |
| schestowitz | I have some (not the OS) | Apr 29 20:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: mpis I think | Apr 29 20:43 |
| PetoKraus | hmm | Apr 29 20:43 |
| PetoKraus | arch has 4.2.2 | Apr 29 20:43 |
| schestowitz | *SimplyMEPIS | Apr 29 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Vista Starter has localized wallpapers | Apr 29 20:43 |
| PetoKraus | is that the newest KDE? | Apr 29 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | for the country it is sold in | Apr 29 20:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: wow!! | Apr 29 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Features | Apr 29 20:43 |
| PetoKraus | hehe | Apr 29 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft buys stock images | Apr 29 20:43 |
| PetoKraus | but you can't change it!!! | Apr 29 20:43 |
| oso`perezoso | wtf is localized wallpaper?? | Apr 29 20:43 |
| MinceR | oso`perezoso: it was a joke | Apr 29 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Marketing, lawyers, and........ people who buy photos from photographers and stick then in a DIR | Apr 29 20:44 |
| MinceR | not a good joke, but a joke nevertheless :> | Apr 29 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: the Malasian version has the petronas towers | Apr 29 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Humour ->> the #microsoft channel | Apr 29 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | for example | Apr 29 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah you can change it | Apr 29 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Windows Comedy Edition, aka "Vista" | Apr 29 20:45 |
| oso`perezoso | ok so I get a grim picture about the trend of linux from the discussion from this forum. | Apr 29 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | I've used Vista Starter just to see what it's like | Apr 29 20:45 |
| *MinceR wonders what ##microsoft is doing on freenode. | Apr 29 20:45 | |
| schestowitz | does it exist? | Apr 29 20:45 |
| MinceR | it does | Apr 29 20:45 |
| schestowitz | What for? | Apr 29 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | you can run 3 GUI programs at once, command prompts and antivirus and anything that normally starts with Windows is exempt | Apr 29 20:46 |
| schestowitz | technical support prpobbably | Apr 29 20:46 |
| MinceR | that's what i'm asking too | Apr 29 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Because MS products needd support | Apr 29 20:46 |
| schestowitz | They fail to work | Apr 29 20:46 |
| MinceR | same about #apple and ##apple | Apr 29 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | and tabs in your browser don't count, but new browser windows do | Apr 29 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Contrary to marketers' belief | Apr 29 20:46 |
| MinceR | since when are these Peer-Directed Projects? | Apr 29 20:46 |
| schestowitz | "Hi" | Apr 29 20:46 |
| schestowitz | "My XBox just caught on fire" | Apr 29 20:46 |
| oso`perezoso | Ubuntu even started selling codecs or something. according to the discussion it can be said that Ubuntu, if the want to enter the game they will have to join the patent cartel!!! :D | Apr 29 20:46 |
| MinceR | they're dictator-directed projects, and their channels should be hosted on servers owned by MICROS~1 and crApple, respectively. | Apr 29 20:46 |
| MinceR | (if what they're doing can be called "direction" at all.) | Apr 29 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | meh, Fluendo codecs aren't required | Apr 29 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Neil McAllister baited Linux with old tired FUD and now this: First look: Ubuntu 9.04 stays the course < http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-sourc... > | Apr 29 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | just use the normal gstreamer codecs from multiverse | Apr 29 20:48 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: yes, it's true | Apr 29 20:49 |
| schestowitz | They need to koin the fight | Apr 29 20:49 |
| schestowitz | *join | Apr 29 20:49 |
| oso`perezoso | Even Mozilla starts getting into the patent licensing game. I don't know if anybody heard of the term 'branding' | Apr 29 20:49 |
| schestowitz | MarkS should start putting more effort into cracking the corrupt system | Apr 29 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Else his system -- as decent as it is -- will be push by the white-collar criminals | Apr 29 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Maximalists | Apr 29 20:50 |
| schestowitz | oso`perezoso: can you find those discussions? | Apr 29 20:50 |
| oso`perezoso | many projects start adopting this 'branding' technique | Apr 29 20:50 |
| schestowitz | It's very topical (in BN) | Apr 29 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got the leaked 7106 build of Windows 7, installed it in Russian | Apr 29 20:50 |
| schestowitz | We pressure companies like Canonical when it comes to patent cartelisation | Apr 29 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | and then put in the English language pack | Apr 29 20:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Vista7 is NOT leaked | Apr 29 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pretends it is | Apr 29 20:51 |
| schestowitz | So people must STOP saying "leaked" | Apr 29 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | if they pretended, why pretend in Russian only? | Apr 29 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 29 20:51 |
| schestowitz | It's sent to people to make hype | Apr 29 20:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: doesn't matter | Apr 29 20:51 |
| schestowitz | The sinking ship wants people to pass its Vistaware around | Apr 29 20:51 |
| schestowitz | People want XP | Apr 29 20:51 |
| schestowitz | So OK, Microsoft sells it for some bucks | Apr 29 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Like pogs | Apr 29 20:52 |
| oso`perezoso | schestowitz: no, in Gentoo there's a USE flag called bindist. For instance if you compile mozilla-firefox without 'bindist' IS NOT CALLED MOZILLA FIREFOX browser!!! | Apr 29 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why there's hype of every build that's out | Apr 29 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | usually it's only trivial changes that may not even be applicable to you | Apr 29 20:52 |
| oso`perezoso | ha ha!!! infect ppl vith vistaware!! | Apr 29 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | I just gave up trying to make Firefox work right | Apr 29 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | I use Epiphany or Konqueror in Linux | Apr 29 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | and Opera on Windows | Apr 29 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | going back to FF branding and throwing their code bloat and security problems around | Apr 29 20:58 |
| oso`perezoso | I gave up on gui browsers altogether | Apr 29 20:58 |
| MinceR | i just gave up on finding a web browser that works right | Apr 29 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather use Lynx than go back to Firefox, they've just become unacceptably slow and insecure and resource hungry | Apr 29 20:59 |
| MinceR | so i run opera and ff side-by-side and try to get by | Apr 29 20:59 |
| MinceR | if a site slows them too much, i reopen it in Links2 | Apr 29 20:59 |
| MinceR | (or i try turning JS off) | Apr 29 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | Opera 10 is fairly fast | Apr 29 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | the latest weekly build is really nice | Apr 29 21:00 |
| MinceR | i have opera 9 | Apr 29 21:00 |
| MinceR | if it's fast, is it also stable? :> | Apr 29 21:00 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, they fixed all the crashers I ran into with earlier Opera 10 builds | Apr 29 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | not saying there aren't any, but I haven't hit any | Apr 29 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: minix funding: Europe funds secure operating system research < http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/6702... > | Apr 29 21:04 |
| MinceR | perhaps there will be a browser that doesn't suck after all | Apr 29 21:04 |
| MinceR | even if it won't be FLOSS. | Apr 29 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | Opera does a better job of following W3C standards | Apr 29 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes implementing them while they're still a draft | Apr 29 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | Internet Explorer 8 only now supports things that were finalized almost 10 years ago | Apr 29 21:05 |
| MinceR | IE isn't a web browser, it's a backdoor with a gui | Apr 29 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | they had the resources to correctly support CSS 2.1 in 2001 | Apr 29 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | just didn't bother | Apr 29 21:06 |
| MinceR | one you might be able to view m$-html pages on. | Apr 29 21:06 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: I told you that a couple of days ago ;) | Apr 29 21:06 |
| MinceR | transferred over m$-http | Apr 29 21:06 |
| MinceR | and possibly with m$-css and m$-jscript | Apr 29 21:06 |
| MinceR | and RadioActiveX and silver lie | Apr 29 21:06 |
| Balrog | hm. Silverlight is the new ActiveX | Apr 29 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | yay, Mandriva is pimping a TRIAL version of Cedega | Apr 29 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | again | Apr 29 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | joy! | Apr 29 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | and has made the Free version even harder to find | Apr 29 21:08 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: URL? | Apr 29 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://www2.mandriva.com/linux/powerpack/ | Apr 29 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | LightZone 3.6.1. (trial) | Apr 29 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | VariCAD 2009 (trial) | Apr 29 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | Cedega (trial) | Apr 29 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | the only full version it appears to have is the standard edition of VMWare | Apr 29 21:09 |
| MinceR | no, silver lie is m$-flash | Apr 29 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | pffft | Apr 29 21:09 |
| MinceR | the new RadioActiveX is that google native code thing | Apr 29 21:09 |
| Balrog | MinceR: maybe it is. But MS failed with ActiveX so they're pushing it | Apr 29 21:10 |
| MinceR | well, technologically. | Apr 29 21:10 |
| MinceR | lock-in wise you're right | Apr 29 21:10 |
| MinceR | silver lie is trying to do the same thing RadioActiveX was trying to do | Apr 29 21:10 |
| Balrog | Is there any good alternative for unrar for linux? | Apr 29 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | fucking hell | Apr 29 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | I clicked to download Mandriva's torrent | Apr 29 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | and it spawned a billion popups | Apr 29 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | and crashed the browser | Apr 29 21:11 |
| Balrog | :/ | Apr 29 21:12 |
| *DaemonFC tries again in IE 8 | Apr 29 21:12 | |
| DaemonFC | and it opens | Apr 29 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | whoa | Apr 29 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | lots of seeders | Apr 29 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | O_O | Apr 29 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu and Kubuntu 9.04 Experience < http://prosario2000.wordpress.com/2009/04... >. Kubuntu seems to be lacking in their integration work...? | Apr 29 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Don't rest, Ubuntu has a way to go yet < http://www.techworld.com.au/node/301246 > | Apr 29 21:21 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: I'm stuck with using RAR for a certain thing. RAR isn't free software, and there's no open spec for it either :( | Apr 29 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | I haver ARJ still | Apr 29 21:38 |
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| Balrog | people are working on open source SITX and RAR decompression support | Apr 29 21:39 |
| Balrog | http://code.google.com/p/theunar... | Apr 29 21:39 |
| Balrog | ...mac-specific, but better than nothing | Apr 29 21:40 |
| Balrog | can be ported | Apr 29 21:40 |
| MinceR | unrar is proprietary, isn't it? | Apr 29 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | yay, redistributable freeware | Apr 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | RAR is a trade secret | Apr 29 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | the guy that owns it makes it real easy to pirate because then RAR files are everywhere | Apr 29 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | and it's free advertising | Apr 29 21:44 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 29 21:45 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: the source for unrar is available | Apr 29 21:48 |
| Balrog | only you're not allowed to use it to create an implementation of RAR | Apr 29 21:48 |
| MinceR | yay, evince decided to grab XF86AudioPlay even though it's a global shortcut | Apr 29 21:51 |
| MinceR | i'm starting to remember why i hate gnome | Apr 29 21:51 |
| MinceR | maybe i should fork kde3? | Apr 29 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | I got another mysterious crash, now I'm suspecting Avast | Apr 29 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | as it has been known to do that sometimes | Apr 29 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | so I replaced it with Avira | Apr 29 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 29 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I know, Avast is still using some undocumented methods to hook into the Windows kernel | Apr 29 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft puts all these undocumented APIs into every part of Windows, some idiot finds them, decides to use them even though they shouldn't | Apr 29 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | then it makes it impossible to audit why your system is screwing up | Apr 29 21:57 |
| MinceR | even the things they do document, they document badly | Apr 29 21:57 |
| MinceR | the documentation is often just flat out wrong | Apr 29 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | PatchGuard was a "security feature", so then Microsoft goes and leaves themselves ways in, but locks out the antivirus people | Apr 29 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | so the viruses and the antivirus people do some reverse engineering to get back in | Apr 29 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I heard that before | Apr 29 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Eraran wrote about UAC getting in the way | Apr 29 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | and so Microsoft gives them an official way to get into the kernel | Apr 29 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Of maintenance, not the viruses :-) | Apr 29 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Get infected (viruses penetrate past UAC) | Apr 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | so basically the only thing Patch Guard has done it stop the user from using things like PeerGuardian | Apr 29 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Then be denied access to clean things up. | Apr 29 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Ah, the irony | Apr 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | UAC is just too annoying, eventually hitting OK is a reflex action | Apr 29 22:00 |
| schestowitz | What's you take on the change of winbandonment? | Apr 29 22:00 |
| schestowitz | As in,moving to Linux/BSD base? | Apr 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | do I think MS would do that you mean? | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC:yes, spychology basics | Apr 29 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | Like, go Apple? | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | The boy who cried "wolf!" | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | People won't pay attention atter a while | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, a little like Apple | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Not all the way | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Just swapping bad layers | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Like they did with TCP/Ip | Apr 29 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | I think Microsoft would rather reinvent the wheels even when it makes no sense at all | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | They retried in Vista | Apr 29 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | just to remain incompatible with UNIX | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | it went very bad | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Flaws | Apr 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Like Symantec preciucaqte and warned in 2006 | Apr 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Also bad performance. | Apr 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz | *predicted | Apr 29 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | because if Microsoft is POSIX compliant it becomes easy to switch to any other POSIX system | Apr 29 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | Apple is interesting though | Apr 29 22:02 |
| PetoKraus | hmm that's me purchasing music off amazon for the first time ever | Apr 29 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | in that they extended everything and made it to where to get a decent OS X app, it's no longer POSIX compliant | Apr 29 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | even though the OS is POSIX compliant | Apr 29 22:03 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: FSF hates Amazon | Apr 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | suddenly it becomes easy to port your application to OS X, but not to make your OS X application portable | Apr 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | genius | Apr 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | evil | Apr 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | but genius | Apr 29 22:03 |
| PetoKraus | well it might hate amazon, but the music is nowhere else | Apr 29 22:03 |
| PetoKraus | :) | Apr 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really think of OS X as UNIX | Apr 29 22:04 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: if you want music, i'll give you a free torrent | Apr 29 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | it is, but that's not really what they're selling | Apr 29 22:04 |
| schestowitz | 6gb, no riaa issues | Apr 29 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Perfectly legal | Apr 29 22:04 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: Tom Brosseau | Apr 29 22:04 |
| PetoKraus | there you go | Apr 29 22:04 |
| PetoKraus | :P | Apr 29 22:04 |
| PetoKraus | find that one. | Apr 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz | No need | Apr 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I have too much still to explore | Apr 29 22:05 |
| PetoKraus | maybe for you | Apr 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Now, if only I had a button to pay the singers | Apr 29 22:05 |
| PetoKraus | i was at his gig | Apr 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz | That's what RMS proposed | Apr 29 22:05 |
| PetoKraus | and i liked him | Apr 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz | He has it all worked out | Apr 29 22:05 |
| PetoKraus | so i bought his CD | Apr 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Oh no | Apr 29 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | I think Win64 is still too much of an afterthought, and it shouldn't be | Apr 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz | You pay middleman | Apr 29 22:05 |
| PetoKraus | well | Apr 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz | If you like him, mail him a check | Apr 29 22:05 |
| PetoKraus | i paid amazon a bit | Apr 29 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | they should be trying to kill off Win32, not pushing it | Apr 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz | The stores and cartel make most of the money | Apr 29 22:06 |
| PetoKraus | but i believe he gets more money from amazon | Apr 29 22:06 |
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| PetoKraus | than from CD sale | Apr 29 22:06 |
| schestowitz | You feed the beasts | Apr 29 22:06 |
| PetoKraus | that's ok, i'm content with that | Apr 29 22:06 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: likely, yes. | Apr 29 22:06 |
| PetoKraus | they supplied the content within 3 minutes | Apr 29 22:06 |
| PetoKraus | that's worth a pint. | Apr 29 22:06 |
| schestowitz | "Content" | Apr 29 22:06 |
| schestowitz | *shivers( | Apr 29 22:06 |
| *PetoKraus np: Tom Brosseau - I Fly Whenever I Go (Grand Forks) | Apr 29 22:06 | |
| PetoKraus | :) | Apr 29 22:06 |
| schestowitz | *shivers* | Apr 29 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | they are still pushing 32-bit Windows in Windows 7 | Apr 29 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Would you like ketchup with that content? | Apr 29 22:07 |
| *MinceR is listening to: Boz - http://Remix.Kwed.Org - Thrust | Apr 29 22:07 | |
| PetoKraus | now | Apr 29 22:07 |
| PetoKraus | let's make torrent of it | Apr 29 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | because someone out there with a crap eMachine they bought 5 years ago is still a sale | Apr 29 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 29 22:07 |
| PetoKraus | and share that | Apr 29 22:07 |
| PetoKraus | :) | Apr 29 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 will be interesting since they are not selling Basic in the United States | Apr 29 22:08 |
| MinceR | 231500 < DaemonFC> genius | Apr 29 22:08 |
| *MinceR bursts out laughing | Apr 29 22:08 | |
| DaemonFC | it'll be the first time the cheapest "upgrade" was $160 instead of $99 | Apr 29 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | it'll force more people to look at a triple digit price tag | Apr 29 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | psychology | Apr 29 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'd imagine 7 will sell much worse just because of that | Apr 29 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | that's the only way I can view Basic, the "shoddy $30 microwave at Walmart that has no features but gets you walking down that aisle" | Apr 29 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | the goal is to end up making you buy the $500 model with phasers and photon torpedoes | Apr 29 22:18 |
| MinceR | and then you shoot yourself in the foot with all the phasers and photon torpedoes | Apr 29 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | the goal of having the cheap crap is to make you think the expensive version is better than it is | Apr 29 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | and that you need it more than you do | Apr 29 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | $99 gets you crap networking, no AERO, no Media Center, no volume shadow service....... | Apr 29 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | the $160 gets you Aero and Media Center but maybe you need networking | Apr 29 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | the $299 Business gives you Aero, and Networking and Volume Shadowing, but no Media Center stuff | Apr 29 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | and from there you're only about $20 away from Ultimate | Apr 29 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | and then you shrug and grab that | Apr 29 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | by the time you're looking at Business, you question whether you need the Home Premium stuff | Apr 29 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | and walk out of the store with Ultimate | Apr 29 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | they made it that way on purpose, because with XP Home and Pro, the line was drawn and you didn't really want to justify $100 more | Apr 29 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=4424 | Apr 29 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | This guy was correct | Apr 29 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | "Microsoft wants to move its retail pricing structure for consumers up to $240(full)/$160(upgrade). I expect that Windows Vista Home Basic will soon disappear from store shelves — never to be seen again." | Apr 29 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 Home Basic is not for sale in the US, Canada, and several other places | Apr 29 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Apr 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: IE has an SVG add-on now | Apr 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ieaddons.com/en/tool... | Apr 29 22:47 |
| *schestowitz look | Apr 29 22:47 | |
| schestowitz | Marc Wagner -- no THANKS!! | Apr 29 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Biggest lamer in ZDNet. HUGE Linux hater and MS fan. | Apr 29 22:48 |
| *schestowitz just finished rearranging the new sound system | Apr 29 22:49 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm looking at Sidebar gadgets | Apr 29 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | they claim SP2 makes them take less resources | Apr 29 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 29 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans tried to block another budget | Apr 29 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | and failed | Apr 29 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Which budget? | Apr 29 23:04 |
| schestowitz | American politics had me fed up | Apr 29 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Neo-conservatives pro-war pro-guns invaders | Apr 29 23:04 |
| schestowitz | They allow the good people die with their endless empire | Apr 29 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Things to Avoid on Ubuntu http://ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/... | Apr 29 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | Your User Agent is: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729) | Apr 29 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | whoa | Apr 29 23:14 |
| MinceR | "; also, the Administrator password is "secret"; and by the way, the key is under the rug)" | Apr 29 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... | Apr 29 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Dollar on life supply | Apr 29 23:19 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 29 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Peter Schiff The Crisis Just Begun < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPmdz... > | Apr 29 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, AdblockIE | Apr 29 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | written in .Net | Apr 29 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | and released under MS-PL | Apr 29 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | lmfao | Apr 29 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | you can use an InPrivate filter to block ads | Apr 29 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Apr 29 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | I just loaded a modified Adblock Plus list | Apr 29 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Peter Schiff Was Right Again < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... > | Apr 29 23:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Skip to minute 2:00 and enjoy the hypocrisy. Obama will hopefully read the book Chavez handed to him. | Apr 29 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Dennis Kucinich States His Intention To Put The Federal Reserve Under Government Control < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_-QRKyu6g > | Apr 29 23:44 |
| Balrog | DaemonFC: is there any problem with C++.NET on Windows? | Apr 29 23:50 |
| Balrog | limited to windows | Apr 29 23:50 |
| Balrog | other than the fact that windows is not good ... | Apr 29 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | you can use about any programming language on Windows you have the runtimes for | Apr 29 23:51 |
| Balrog | even C# in some cases ... for example, Handbrake has a cross-platform core and a C# frontend for windows, a Cocoa frontend for Mac, and a GTK+ frontend for linux | Apr 29 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | Dennis Kucinich on Moody's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phioe... | Apr 29 23:56 |
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| DaemonFC | I like Kucinich | Apr 29 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | I signed his petition for an impeachment of Bush | Apr 29 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 29 23:58 |
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