08.27.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 26th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:12 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter Ick.  Check out what this idiot from Nokia had to say about ogg theora.  http://www.w3.org/2007/08/video/po… Aug 26 00:43
MinceR we can thank nokia and crapple for sabotaging html5. Aug 26 00:44
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jose hello, i won’t stay on but for a few minutes. i see schesto.. is away Aug 26 04:15
jose There are some real supporters of Novell over here http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/08/cert… Aug 26 04:15
jose The comments are over 200 now, but there is a particular Anonymous that really seems to be pushing the Novell has been good to us line. Aug 26 04:16
jose In the lastest reply, I realized (and this might be old news as I don’t follow groklaw closely and have not followed bn very much in the past)… Aug 26 04:18
jose that Novell may have been prepared to cut SCOX at the knees if and only if they started to look really bad in their case against IBM.. or perhaps by design as the SCOX FUD was approaching do or die moment Aug 26 04:19
jose they stopped SCOX in time to keep the IBM question up in the air since now a large part of the case won’t go to trial. Aug 26 04:20
jose I know this is not news exactly, but I think PJ and some others still seem to view Novell’s “help” as a positive, rather than as a way for Microsoft to keep the IP doubts alive. Aug 26 04:20
jose Even acting independently, Novell stands to gain, but not letting SCOX’ horrible case be resolved. Aug 26 04:21
jose Anyway, sorry if this was old news. I sort of saw Novell as taking something for themselves. I guess the “eureka” for me tonigh.. Aug 26 04:21
jose was that I think Novell may have planned all along to stop the IBM trial from going through.. Aug 26 04:22
jose i always saw the scox case as likely a warning shot from microsoft to ibm to act properly. Ibm talks positive of novell (except recently as to ooxml and such). Aug 26 04:23
jose ok, well it seems everyone here is sleeping. That is where I am going now. don’t know when i will be back. my email is hozelda@yahoooooo.com but without the excess “oooo” .. later Aug 26 04:24
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jose i’m back Aug 26 04:28
jose http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/index.p… Aug 26 04:28
jose could be entirely bogus but the idea was tossed that ms would buy out sun Aug 26 04:29
jose likely this would not be allowed, but if so, it means ms might own a significant amount of foss copyrights. Aug 26 04:29
jose ..even if staroffice was spun off first. Aug 26 04:30
jose later… Aug 26 04:30
jose um, well this seems almost entirely impossible due to antitrust concerns. ok, off to bed this time. Aug 26 04:31
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schestowitz twitter: The Nokia guy is a former Microsoft employee. I wrote about it before. Aug 26 05:49
dsmith_ man this is the bestover all pictue of vista I have ever seen Aug 26 06:45
dsmith_ http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/177855 Aug 26 06:45
dsmith_ thanks for bringing it to light Aug 26 06:45
schestowitz It’s from twitter, but I linked to it yesterday. Aug 26 06:48
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schestowitz Interesting article: http://blogs.computerworld.com/to_tru… From the comments: “If it were Microsoft, most likely you wouldn’t even know any of its servers have been compromised.” Aug 26 07:13
dsmith_ heh Aug 26 07:40
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schestowitz Provocation from Dana again: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2821 (ZDNet hasn’t a SINGLE decent FOSS blogger… Dana is a Windows user… many bloggers there are MSFTers to align with the funding source of ZDNet) Aug 26 07:55
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schestowitz W00t!! I found it: http://web.archive.org/web/20070308… Aug 26 09:43
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twitter Wow, that is damaging. Aug 26 11:02
schestowitz Wait, I have many more. Aug 26 11:02
twitter Better save out a copy.  :) Aug 26 11:02
schestowitz I’ll post these over the next few days. Aug 26 11:02
schestowitz BN makes local copies of everything it cites Aug 26 11:03
twitter The Internet Archive will remove things if the rights holder asks.  As soon as the M$ people see your link, they will get to work. Aug 26 11:03
twitter Local copy, that’s good. Aug 26 11:04
twitter It’s one thing for Bill Parish to say things.  It’s another to have a local paper cite internal M$ sources and lawsuits at the time. Aug 26 11:05
schestowitz Yes, I know. Some things were already removed from there. Aug 26 11:05
schestowitz Yes, I know. I was going to weave that in with parish. Aug 26 11:05
schestowitz I have many more things like this. You can search BN archives (3900 posts so far) Aug 26 11:05
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schestowitz Notice that the man was fired and bribed to keep his mouth shut. Well, not bribed… just *ahem* rewarded 4 million… sure he got a nice yacht or something. Aug 26 11:07
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twitter yes, it’s typical.  Next they clean the public record somehow.  Fraud on fraud. Aug 26 11:08
schestowitz Heh. Well, I’ll go further with that. I have some more goodies. Aug 26 11:09
schestowitz Seen the article from the Economist about Microsoft losing $18 billion in 1998 and hiding it? Aug 26 11:10
twitter Yes, it probably refers to this internal allegation. Aug 26 11:12
twitter So, the public record is consistent and carefully vanished.  The vanishing public record is worse than the fraud. Aug 26 11:14
schestowitz Don’t worry. We’ll work things out. I can’t do much to any of these companies, but making evidence available enables others to do so. Novell too has admitted cooking the books. They told Matt Asay about it and he blew the whistle in a audiocast I incidentally listened to. Aug 26 11:15
twitter “poor communication skills” – asking about fraud in an email where it can be discovered by “an astute litigator” Aug 26 11:16
schestowitz Where is that? Aug 26 11:18
twitter Paragraphs starting with “Pancerzewski reported his concerns to his supervisors by e-mail in March 1995″ and ending with him being fired over lunch. Aug 26 11:21
schestowitz Heh. Well, it got him rich, didn’t it? Aug 26 11:21
twitter I’m not sure about that.  The way M$ hammers people in court, the settlement may have just covered the man’s losses. Aug 26 11:22
schestowitz Might be. Well, I have many more goodies coming, so stay tuned. I did some studying this morning. Aug 26 11:23
twitter Nice work. Aug 26 11:23
schestowitz BTW: Boycott Microsoft vanished. Aug 26 11:24
schestowitz 404s in me. Could you have a look? I mean, maybe there’s some explanation or maybe it’s temporary. Aug 26 11:24
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/?p=3282 Aug 26 11:25
twitter http://www.msboycott.com/ shows up, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it before so I can’t say it’s the same.  Last updated in 2002… Aug 26 11:26
trmanco schestowitz, having problems with permalinks? Aug 26 11:27
*trmanco brb, kernel update :) Aug 26 11:28
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schestowitz No, just got there quicker. Aug 26 11:29
schestowitz twitter: that’s not the one. Aug 26 11:30
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schestowitz http://users.vcnet.com/bms/f… Aug 26 11:30
schestowitz From: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… Aug 26 11:30
schestowitz It has been fine for _10 YEARS_. Why is it gone now? It can’t be me, but I sent a lot of people there (many links and referrals). Aug 26 11:31
twitter Oh, that’s what Google pointed to.  I was reading your 3282 article…. ” Does this kind of petty harassment of critics constitute official Microsoft policy? That’s doubtful.” Sounds like they spoke too soon. Aug 26 11:31
schestowitz As you can see (post above), Microsoft try to mute that chat before. Aug 26 11:31
twitter http://users.vcnet.com/bms/features/… is gone. Aug 26 11:33
schestowitz Yes, all of them. Aug 26 11:34
schestowitz I found out this morning. It worked a couple of months ago. Google has nada. If it’s truly gone, it’s time to hit the Web Archive. Aug 26 11:34
schestowitz Here’s the thing to do. We should get the author’s E-mail somehow (from cache or archive) and ask what happened. Aug 26 11:35
schestowitz I was told by marbux that they tried to derail justice by hiding evidence of the OOXML corruption from the European Commission, which is still investigating. But that’s another matter. Aug 26 11:37
twitter Ultimately, that is the matter. Aug 26 11:37
schestowitz Don’t let them obstruct justice. If you can, help me here. :-) Aug 26 11:38
twitter OK, I’ll hunt around.  You want me to find the author of http://users.vcnet.com/bms/fea…  ? Aug 26 11:39
schestowitz Yes, please. Aug 26 11:39
schestowitz There will be a story to tell. I don’t think Microsoft paid him to take it offline, but you never know Aug 26 11:40
twitter Internet archive has “0 pages found for http://users.vcnet.com/ Aug 26 11:41
schestowitz *gasp* Aug 26 11:41
schestowitz Let me see if I have local copies Aug 26 11:41
schestowitz I got it. Aug 26 11:42
schestowitz Will grep it for mail Aug 26 11:42
twitter That means, I think, it was cleaned by the person who owns vcnet.com.  I’ve seen things from anti-slash.org vanish from the internet archive and think there’s a pattern here. Aug 26 11:42
schestowitz nathan@netaction.org Aug 26 11:43
schestowitz wendy@compuserve.com Aug 26 11:43
schestowitz Wait, I’ll see context Aug 26 11:43
schestowitz BillG@egns.com Aug 26 11:43
schestowitz mailto:costa@mdi.ca Aug 26 11:43
schestowitz I probably don’t have the right pages. Aug 26 11:43
twitter 8 hits for wendy, http://www.google.com/search?q=wendy%40… Aug 26 11:43
twitter here’s a book by wendy, if it’s the same Wendy and not a plant http://www.google.com/search?q=wendy%40compuse… Aug 26 11:44
schestowitz It was a guy who wrote the site, but maybe they have his contact Aug 26 11:45
twitter A disturbing thought … you have mirrors for BN? Aug 26 11:45
schestowitz I have about 9 pages from the site. I’ll try to get his name. Aug 26 11:45
schestowitz Ok, I have the index before me. Aug 26 11:45
schestowitz I still find it weird that the archive is empty (Alexa or whatever) Aug 26 11:46
schestowitz The Boycottt Microsoft forum (off site) is still alive.. sort of. http://www.network54.com/Forum/7505/ Aug 26 11:46
twitter Like I said, I’ve seen that before.  Rights holders or people who pretend to be can wipe the Internet Archive’s public record.  We can only hope they keep private records of stuff they wipe. Aug 26 11:47
trmanco * Comment buried!   Hide Aug 26 11:48
trmanco Is ‘kretik’ being offensive? Report it Aug 26 11:48
trmanco Somebody call Schestowitzz, this must be another one of those evil Microsoft… uh, things… and stuff… LOOK OVER THERE A NEW VERSION OF WINE, BLOG BLOG BLOG!!!!” Aug 26 11:48
trmanco got that from a digg comment Aug 26 11:48
schestowitz trmanco: it’s one of my stalkers. Aug 26 11:48
trmanco ok Aug 26 11:48
schestowitz I think he libels me in USENET also. Aug 26 11:48
schestowitz Digg ignores the problem. There are several like sh/e/it Aug 26 11:48
twitter It’s up early for Redmond. Aug 26 11:49
schestowitz twitter: I’ll probably just post portions of this conversation instead. Aug 26 11:49
twitter So, do you have mirrors in a safe place? Aug 26 11:49
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schestowitz I have just the articles that I cited… about 14 of them. Aug 26 11:50
twitter They have already gone to your boss and threatened you other ways.  It would be good to have a backup of your site in some country that’s not Copyright insane. Aug 26 11:51
schestowitz BTW: Mary Jo Foley told me that Microsoft assigned ‘buddies’ to people who write about Microsoft, but those buddies are not exactly nice. Aug 26 11:51
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schestowitz Shane has a copy. The server is in the US as well. Aug 26 11:51
twitter Yes, I saw one of your articles about that.  Foley told you that personally? Aug 26 11:51
schestowitz If you wish, I’ll send you a copy of the DB Aug 26 11:51
schestowitz Yes, she did. She’s Okay. Aug 26 11:52
twitter Na, I’m in the US too.  How large is that data base? Aug 26 11:52
schestowitz Like 8 MB, I think. Aug 26 11:53
twitter It’s amazing how tiny text really is.  Go ahead and send it to me. Aug 26 11:54
schestowitz Hold on. Aug 26 11:55
schestowitz I’ll need to clean up stuff like passwords and all. Aug 26 11:55
twitter Take your time. Aug 26 11:56
twitter I’m not sure that MJF telling you that you will be bullied makes her “OK” Aug 26 11:57
schestowitz Shane thought the site was attacked before after he had leaked a password. He managed to restore it but he was nervous as hell. Dunno if Novell was involved, but it’s very doubtful. Aug 26 11:57
schestowitz twitter: no, it wasn’t like that. Aug 26 11:57
twitter talk about six month “improvement” plans is typical US corporate crap Aug 26 11:57
schestowitz But she makes a living as long as Microsoft is relevant, so deep inside she’s protective of them. Aug 26 11:58
schestowitz What’s that? Aug 26 11:58
schestowitz Like Microsoft’s promises? Aug 26 11:58
schestowitz Bill Gates: “We’ve got to put a lot of money into changing behavior.” Aug 26 11:58
schestowitz That was a long time ago. Since then: Yahoo! bullying, OOXML scandals, briberies, and whatnot. Aug 26 11:59
twitter “Personal Improvement Plans” are how companies paper employees files before firing them.  The five months it took to shitcan Pancerzewski is par for the course. Aug 26 11:59
twitter It’s sick but predictable that they would use the same terminology for writers they don’t like. Aug 26 12:00
schestowitz I see… well, could there be related articles? I did a search on the headline and found some results, but didn’t look closely inside them. Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz If we can find a /live/ article/ about it, then it can be used as proof that holds at court. Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz Recall that OOXML thing I told you about. Revisionism is Orwellian. Aug 26 12:03
twitter So, you shot me 4 email addresses, which one was the author of the article and what was the article about? Aug 26 12:07
schestowitz I’m not sure. Give me a moment to check. Aug 26 12:09
schestowitz I think it’s Nathan though. Does my blog post about the threats against him have his full name listed? Aug 26 12:10
twitter 42 hits for nathan@netaction.org Aug 26 12:10
twitter   Nathan Newman, Project Director  The Micro$oft Monitor.  http://www.spectacle.org/1198/ms.html Aug 26 12:12
twitter there are others in mail lists Aug 26 12:12
twitter “the danger is that Microsoft is using strategic monopolistic pricing in the education market, with the government’s assistance, to turn our state university systems into private workforce training programs for Microsoft”  ha ha, he got that right. Aug 26 12:14
schestowitz I think that’s the guy…? Aug 26 12:15
schestowitz Not sure. Wait.. Aug 26 12:15
schestowitz He wrote an article, but I’m not sure he’s the editor. Aug 26 12:16
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twitter http://www.netaction.org/ is alive Aug 26 12:17
twitter http://www.netaction.org/monitor/ has a lot of material Aug 26 12:19
schestowitz I think I saw this before. Aug 26 12:19
schestowitz But it’s totally separate from BMS (boycott microsoft) Aug 26 12:20
twitter BillG@egns.com only turns up two hits. Aug 26 12:22
twitter Bill Gilroy Aug 26 12:24
schestowitz Thanks, twitter. It’s a very mysterious disappearance. The site was fine for many years. Aug 26 12:24
schestowitz It wasn’t maintained, but it was up. Aug 26 12:24
schestowitz I linked to it like 40 times about 2-3 months ago, IIRC. I haven’t checked to see if it stayed online since. Aug 26 12:25
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/… Aug 26 12:25
twitter I suspect domain hijackers clear the Internet Archive. Aug 26 12:25
schestowitz That too. But watch the top level of BMS. Aug 26 12:26
schestowitz I mean, it’s some Web mail something, IIRC. Aug 26 12:26
schestowitz I can’t recall what it used to be, but it was something different when I had checked. Aug 26 12:26
PetoKraus i did small price comparison Aug 26 12:30
PetoKraus iPhone 3G would cost me at about 9000 SKK if i brought it from the UK, and at about 15000 SKK if i bought it in Slovakia Aug 26 12:31
PetoKraus Neo Freerunner, though, would cost me about 10200 SKK when shipped from britain, and 12000 (though with second battery and debugging board) when bought here Aug 26 12:32
PetoKraus i wonder, how come the difference is so huge in case of iPhone and so small in case of Freerunner? Aug 26 12:33
schestowitz Are you buying it? Aug 26 12:33
schestowitz No iPhone. Aug 26 12:33
schestowitz Apple just attacked an open source iPhone program. Aug 26 12:33
schestowitz It’s all over the news. Aug 26 12:33
schestowitz Will post a link in BN later as well… Aug 26 12:33
PetoKraus i am not, i am happy with my nokia 2310 Aug 26 12:34
PetoKraus (no kidding) Aug 26 12:34
schestowitz Symbian, I assume. Well, it’s going Eclipse Licence, doesn’t it? Fauxen Source. Aug 26 12:35
PetoKraus did you google the phone up? :) Aug 26 12:36
twitter The last, costa@mdi.ca, is Shiloh Costa did billing for a DSL company, http://www.mdi.ca/contact.htm Aug 26 12:36
schestowitz PetoKraus: I haven’t, I’m writing some text at the moment in another virtual workspace Aug 26 12:39
PetoKraus schestowitz: when you do, you’ll understand why i am not gonna buy neither of them. Because 2310 is a phone ;) Aug 26 12:39
schestowitz I don’t need a phone. :-D Aug 26 12:40
PetoKraus :P Aug 26 12:41
twitter Ah ha!  http://web.archive.org/web/20010410233… Aug 26 12:44
schestowitz Ah!! Aug 26 12:45
schestowitz That’s the way I remembered it (with images and all) Aug 26 12:45
schestowitz Mitch Stone!!!!!!!!!!! Aug 26 12:45
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twitter vcnet seems to have undergone some changes…. Aug 26 12:46
twitter Who they were http://web.archive.org/web/200104… Aug 26 12:47
twitter Don’t know if the same people own the place today. Aug 26 12:47
schestowitz Watch this: Aug 26 12:48
schestowitz rchive.org/web/20010410195032/www.vcnet.com/ Aug 26 12:48
schestowitz Oops. http://web.archive.org/web/20… Aug 26 12:48
schestowitz So the front page changed as well, not just BMS. Aug 26 12:48
twitter netcraft does not have records Aug 26 12:49
schestowitz http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.vcnet.com/ Aug 26 12:49
schestowitz http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.vcnet.com/bms Aug 26 12:49
schestowitz So  IA still has a stack of copies, for now. Aug 26 12:49
twitter yep  http://web.archive.org/web/200603141… Aug 26 12:51
schestowitz It’s a shame they took it all down, but it seems doubtful that a bad finger (BMS) would take a whole domain down. It’s improbable. Aug 26 12:52
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twitter What’s funny is that the incident preserved BMS.  From the preserved article, ” Postscript: Thanks to my ISP, the Boycott Microsoft site was quickly moved into a web directory of it’s own” Aug 26 12:57
schestowitz Where’s that? In the “Microsoft calls” article? Aug 26 12:58
twitter Yes.  I seriously doubt that Mitch Stone would request his content be removed from the IA. Aug 26 12:59
twitter What I see is that your links were removed, but the cleaner missed the moved branch of bms. Aug 26 12:59
schestowitz What do you mean? Was it relocated? Aug 26 13:00
twitter His site was copied from users.vcnet.com/bms to vcnet.com/bms Aug 26 13:01
twitter whoever scrubbed the internet archive missed this.  My suspicion is that they got a list of sites to clean by looking at BN. Aug 26 13:02
twitter You should write to the Internet Archive and ask about this.  Either they did not archive the user.vcnet site or someone cleaned it. Aug 26 13:03
twitter and that someone was not the author. Aug 26 13:04
schestowitz He does not own the domain. Aug 26 13:04
schestowitz Watch the letter where he is harassed by proxy. Aug 26 13:04
schestowitz Kind of like the folks in Malaysia were harassed by supervisors because of Microsoft. It’s typical. “When he’s asleep, get the job done.” Aug 26 13:05
twitter So, if I steal a domain I can remove everyone else’s work?  You would think that the rights holder is Mitch. Aug 26 13:05
schestowitz Haha. Aug 26 13:06
schestowitz Some Microsoft fan just posted this in USENET (he’s also an investor). Aug 26 13:06
schestowitz Subject line: “Microsoft site 131.107.115.28 blocked as known malware site, why?” Aug 26 13:06
schestowitz http://groups.google.com/group/co… Aug 26 13:07
Tallken I’m unsubscribing Linux Haters blog, it started well but now seems to be supported my MS… That guy used to criticise constructively and now he justs bashes… BTW, cute t-shirt: http://www.cafepress.com/linux… Aug 26 13:18
twitter BMS seems to quit being maintained in 1998, or so, just when the author was starting to stand up for free software and M$ was working on Halloween 1 Aug 26 13:21
twitter I noticed this interesting link about samba in the Dirty Tricks article http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/19… Aug 26 13:22
MinceR bms? Aug 26 13:22
*schestowitz looks Aug 26 13:22
schestowitz MinceR, read the history of this chat Aug 26 13:22
schestowitz BMS (boycott Microsoft) vanished. Aug 26 13:22
MinceR oh. Aug 26 13:22
MinceR then i guessed correctly. Aug 26 13:23
MinceR (i’ve tried that and got a 403) Aug 26 13:23
MinceR (or perhaps not entirely correctly, i tried boycottmicrosoft.com :) ) Aug 26 13:23
schestowitz twitter: which part of Mark’s (Cringely’s) aritcle? Aug 26 13:23
MinceR apparently i’ve looked at BMS once, but it was gone already Aug 26 13:24
schestowitz BTW, he sent me back an E-mail last month. I told his some dark MS secrets. Aug 26 13:24
schestowitz I’m writing a post about Microsoft’s vote-rigging at the moment. Nasty stuff, taken offline. Aug 26 13:24
twitter Dirty tricks http://web.archive.org/web/200712… Aug 26 13:25
twitter points to that samba article.  M$ has been trying to kill samba since 1998. Aug 26 13:25
twitter I suppose that’s what the EU anti-trust trial was all about, ha ha. Aug 26 13:26
twitter gotta go, I’ll be back. Aug 26 13:26
schestowitz Oh yeah… Aug 26 13:29
schestowitz I probably linked to this before. Aug 26 13:29
schestowitz Passing this URL through BN, I get: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/17/acad… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/17/manuf… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/… Aug 26 13:30
schestowitz I can’t recall the context in its entirety, but the titles remind me of it. Aug 26 13:30
Tallken Article: EC misleading EU on copyright extension, says boffin < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08… > Aug 26 13:37
Tallken well on second thought it isn’t probably useful for BN but thought it’d be interesting for the people in here Aug 26 13:38
schestowitz McCreevy? Let’s have a look. Aug 26 13:38
schestowitz It’s the same with software patents. There are idiots in the EU who just serve megacorps. Aug 26 13:39
Tallken McCreevy? what? what did you mean? Aug 26 13:39
schestowitz I mat have covered this before. I can’t recall the professor’s name. Maybe several… Aug 26 13:39
Tallken ah Aug 26 13:40
Tallken Professor Bernt Uugenholf is the director of the University of Amsterdam’s Institute for Information Law (IViR) and has written an open letter (pdf) to Commissioner Jose Manuel Barroso that is starkly critical of its controversial policies on copyright extension. Aug 26 13:40
schestowitz Charlie McCreevy. He’s like Sarko. Some kind of neo-fascist, I hear. Aug 26 13:40
schestowitz They want us to live in intellectual cages begging for water.. or content. Aug 26 13:40
Tallken ah ok understood Aug 26 13:40
Tallken lol Aug 26 13:40
schestowitz They ignore the economists. It’s disgusting. Aug 26 13:41
Tallken They only listen to the economist responsible for their bank accounts, probably :D Aug 26 13:41
schestowitz Economist says copyright extension is bad, but megacorp represented by the MAFIAA or ACT or whatever front they have says something different. Aug 26 13:41
schestowitz Politicians that don’t get exposed, e.g. by the Web, are more corruptible. Aug 26 13:42
Tallken I hated philosophy at school (actually it was more “History of Philosophy”) but I honestly think that if people were fed decent and interesting philosophy the world would be a better place Aug 26 13:42
Tallken the society in general is at a loss of direction, purpose Aug 26 13:43
Tallken Journalists don’t do their work Aug 26 13:43
Tallken Politicians don’t do their work Aug 26 13:43
schestowitz Same with analsysts Aug 26 13:43
Tallken <fill in the blank> don’t do their work Aug 26 13:43
schestowitz There’s a good analogy here. Microsoft memo says that “analysts sell out but they don’t want to appear like they sell out.” Aug 26 13:44
Tallken LOL Aug 26 13:44
Tallken who ever wants to appear they sell out? Aug 26 13:44
schestowitz It’s the same with pollies. Show them money and they’ll duck under the table, hoping for benefits without getting the boot. Aug 26 13:44
schestowitz That Alaskan senator was recetrly bussted, wan’t he? Aug 26 13:45
Tallken hum? Aug 26 13:45
schestowitz He got lots of gifts (bribes) and he’s also the man behind “the Web is a Tube” thing. Aug 26 13:45
Tallken ya ya, reading now http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080729/p… Aug 26 13:46
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schestowitz I’ll link to that Register article later. Thanks for that. Aug 26 13:51
Tallken you welcome Aug 26 13:51
Tallken lol, http://www.google.com/search?hl=… first result is BN :D Aug 26 13:52
schestowitz Yeah, we get like 500 visitor per day via Google. Aug 26 13:55
schestowitz *visitors Aug 26 13:55
schestowitz The second search result there is also me. Aug 26 13:55
Tallken ya, noticed it as well ;) Aug 26 13:57
Tallken I’m asking tech support of my ISP if they have a news server Aug 26 13:57
Tallken I  think they don’t :( Aug 26 13:57
Tallken they don’t Aug 26 14:00
Tallken bah Aug 26 14:00
schestowitz http://groups.google.com/group/… Aug 26 14:01
Tallken Ya I was aware of it Aug 26 14:25
Tallken it’s a pity Aug 26 14:25
Tallken at least we have Google groups Aug 26 14:25
Tallken though I hate web based newsgroups Aug 26 14:25
schestowitz Yes, same here. Aug 26 14:25
Tallken and IRC is also dying Aug 26 14:25
schestowitz I need my killfile, especially in this troll-ridden NG. Aug 26 14:25
schestowitz IRC was dead to many when ICQ came, but it’s still alive. Aug 26 14:26
Tallken I find it awful noone as tried to revive free and open means of communication Aug 26 14:26
schestowitz ICQ killed IRC for me like 11 years ago and here we are again. Aug 26 14:26
MinceR and ICQ is drowning in spam Aug 26 14:26
schestowitz There’s an AGPL implementation of Twitter. Aug 26 14:26
Tallken we’re tech savvy people Aug 26 14:26
schestowitz WordPress+PHP+Apache are also FOSS. Aug 26 14:26
schestowitz That’s what BN runs on. Aug 26 14:27
schestowitz And Red Hat Aug 26 14:27
Tallken ya but my point here was not just in terms of openness Aug 26 14:27
Tallken but also in terms of the existence of a central hub Aug 26 14:27
Tallken in news mainly Aug 26 14:27
schestowitz There’s always the Blue E and the butterfly… :-) Aug 26 14:28
Tallken IRC, more or less, it’s more of a hub than say MSN Aug 26 14:28
Tallken where you just chat with who you know Aug 26 14:28
schestowitz Microsoft INNOVA~1 IM Aug 26 14:28
schestowitz Actually, I’ll probably post something on The Great Microsoft Innovation Lie tomorrow. Aug 26 14:29
Tallken and honestly I haven’t found a suitable replacement for IRC Aug 26 14:34
Tallken social networks annoy me Aug 26 14:34
Tallken horrible forums interface Aug 26 14:35
Tallken someone please tell hi5 and facebook to build a NNTP-social network gateway Aug 26 14:35
schestowitz Facebook can be OK, but the crowd it attracts and UI can be an issue. It’s nag-oriented. Aug 26 14:36
Tallken rofl, you haven’t used Hi5 certainly :D Aug 26 14:36
schestowitz It also chews your personal data. There’s no export option. Aug 26 14:37
schestowitz Lockin is what it’s all about. What they can take, not give. BTW, OSL just got $300,000 from Google. Thank Big G. Aug 26 14:37
Tallken OSL? Aug 26 14:41
MinceR you can rest assured they’ll give to the government all right Aug 26 14:41
MinceR NSA, CIA, police, you name it Aug 26 14:41
MinceR (and probably whoever pays enough — we know what USian privacy laws are like :> ) Aug 26 14:42
Tallken lulz Aug 26 14:42
Tallken ya unfortunately Aug 26 14:42
Tallken me going offline Aug 26 14:42
Tallken cya later Aug 26 14:42
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MinceR i’ve made the mistake of giving a social networking site some info about myself but it won’t happen again Aug 26 14:42
MinceR (back then it was something of a hobby affair managed by a little company — then it was bought up by T-Online) Aug 26 14:43
schestowitz OSL run FreeNode, no? Aug 26 14:43
schestowitz SJVN wrote a good article about it. I have it bookmarked Aug 26 14:44
schestowitz http://blogs.computerworld.com/… Aug 26 14:44
MinceR doesn’t PDPC run Freenode? Aug 26 14:44
schestowitz I’m not sure. The freenode site has OSL at the top, IIRC Aug 26 14:46
schestowitz Okay, I’m off for a while (gym) Aug 26 14:57
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schestowitz Byfield is at it again with the Novell/Microsoft apologism and he’s getting the attention of ‘enterprise open source’ people: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-1002… Aug 26 17:38
PetoKraus did you know, that on freerunners is room for mono? Aug 26 17:59
schestowitz Does is come to it by default? Aug 26 18:00
PetoKraus well, i don’t know Aug 26 18:00
PetoKraus since you are downloading the software package yourself Aug 26 18:00
PetoKraus or, can Aug 26 18:00
schestowitz Well, if it becomes OpenMono [sic], let me know. :-) Aug 26 18:00
schestowitz They (Mono fans) seem to have tried this stunt with LiMo: http://boycottnovell.com/2008… Aug 26 18:01
PetoKraus there’s debian version fitted for GTA02 Aug 26 18:01
PetoKraus so you don’t HAVE to use mono to run the phone, that’s for sure Aug 26 18:01
schestowitz And Miguel had a hard-on for Mono on an Android: http://boycottnovell.com/200… Aug 26 18:01
PetoKraus i guess i’ll buy some openmoko-based product later on Aug 26 18:02
PetoKraus though 12 hours battery life is pathetic Aug 26 18:02
schestowitz Reduces exposure to radiation, I guess. Aug 26 18:03
schestowitz Get one with a crank. :-p Aug 26 18:03
PetoKraus :) Aug 26 18:05
schestowitz The UK govt. seems to be making or creating quite a business with its data-mining activity: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7581417.stm  ( [H]omer  might mind ) Aug 26 18:05
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anivar schestowitz:  see http://koha.org/about-koha/news/n… Aug 26 20:05
*schestowitz looks Aug 26 20:06
schestowitz Excellent! Aug 26 20:06
schestowitz Koha uses Ubungu GNU/Linux as far as I know. Aug 26 20:06
schestowitz They made lots of announcement in LinuxPR and they have many clients in EU and The States. Greece-based, IIRC. Aug 26 20:07
anivar schestowitz:  :-) i am happy to see the great coverage for indian swpat campaign Aug 26 20:17
schestowitz Thanks. I’m working on what you’ve just sent me. Aug 26 20:18
anivar schestowitz:  Good Aug 26 20:20
anivar See this one too Aug 26 20:20
anivar http://www.stopsoftwarepatents.com/ Aug 26 20:21
anivar sorry http://stopsoftwarepatents.org/ Aug 26 20:21
anivar we are planning an international campaign with the help of FFII Aug 26 20:21
anivar schestowitz: ^^ Aug 26 20:22
schestowitz Excellent. India is important because a rejection there (to s/w patents) would end momentum gained by the intellectual monopolists. Aug 26 20:26
anivar we are planning something. but cant tell now in a publically logged list :-) Aug 26 20:30
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MinceR does m$ have valid patents on .NET? Aug 26 22:19
schestowitz I am not sure. But there are patent that probably relate to it, but they won’t mention the term .NET. Aug 26 22:21
trmanco I wrote a post today about .NET Mono em C# Aug 26 22:24
MinceR does debian include mono in the free repositories? Aug 26 22:25
trmanco Big list of non-recommended software that relies on Mono Aug 26 22:25
schestowitz MinceR: I think so. Aug 26 22:27
schestowitz http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/ Aug 26 22:28
MinceR someone tells me they wouldn’t have included it if it would allow m$ to sue based on patents Aug 26 22:28
schestowitz They don’t need to sue. It’s enough for Ballmer & Hilf to pull out the grease gun and holler “Teh Lunix!” FUD is bad enough, if not worse. Aug 26 22:32
benJIman MinceR: It is in free, but most free software will infringe lots of patents. Mono is not special. Aug 26 22:32
MinceR ic Aug 26 22:33
benJIman Microsoft are in fact less likely to actually use software patents aggressively as they have much more to lose from a patent war. Aug 26 22:33
MinceR that’s true Aug 26 22:33
schestowitz benJIman: Microsoft has already used them and uses them Aug 26 22:34
MinceR only for FUD or for suing as well? Aug 26 22:35
schestowitz .For FUD and toll roads. Aug 26 22:35
MinceR toll roads? Aug 26 22:35
schestowitz Yes, let me get the post because it’s more detailed. Aug 26 22:37
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/28/pa… Aug 26 22:37
MinceR ic Aug 26 22:45
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Tallken Article: Between Mono and Java [“In general, I think Java has now much more chances to become the true high-level multiplatform language and environment, over C# and Mono. This because the main implementation is open, rather than having one (or more) open implementations trying to track down the first and main implementation.” though he also says “But I’d be seriously interested on a C# compiler that didn’t need Mono runtime, k Aug 26 23:19
Tallken inda like Vala.” ] < http://blog.flameeyes.eu/articles/200… > Aug 26 23:19
Tallken hum Aug 26 23:19
trmanco Tallken, Are you Portuguese? Aug 26 23:19
Tallken wth Aug 26 23:19
Tallken http://blog.flameeyes.eu/articles/200… Aug 26 23:19
Tallken sim trmanco :) Aug 26 23:19
trmanco Eu também :P Aug 26 23:19
Tallken I had already seen your IP ;) Aug 26 23:20
Tallken anyway, I just came here to drop the URL Aug 26 23:20
Tallken hope it’ll be useful Aug 26 23:20
Tallken gotta go [[]] Aug 26 23:20
trmanco Well, I only saw your hostname today tho :| Aug 26 23:21
Tallken ;) Aug 26 23:21
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