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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 13th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 8:26 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz Bad news for Microsoft and Novell: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp… Sep 13 06:29
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schestowitz Ha! http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=8564 Maybe that’s the interesting announcement Crosby has promised. And people used to ridicule us for suggesting Xen was a bad route, just like choosing Novell (which too can end up this way). Sep 13 07:11
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kentma last night of the proms tonight… Sep 13 11:40
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twitter It would be nice to see fraud cases, but the US Justice system is deeply corrupted by the Bush administration and corporate cronies. Sep 13 13:55
twitter The DOJ  has consistently fired people for political reasons and nailed people who stand in the way of the rich and powerful. Sep 13 13:56
twitter Greg Palast has an interesting example of this kind of thing here,  http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitz… Sep 13 13:57
twitter One of the first things the Bush administration did is let M$ off the hook.  I expect these fraud cases to work in M$’s favor, against competitors such as Google and Yahoo, rather than provide justice. Sep 13 13:58
schestowitz kentma: what type? Sep 13 14:01
schestowitz twitter: I assume that almost every company is fraudulent (Apple got dinged quite recently). The question is: to what extent?  Finding it out and showing proof is the challenge and it’s something you can help me document. There are many people who use the Web to do research. If evidence is presented, it helps them. Transparency is bliss, which is why I adore Wikileaks. Sep 13 14:03
trmanco http://www.techoozie.com/grateful-f… Sep 13 14:06
schestowitz I never saw it before (July) Sep 13 14:08
trmanco found it on stumbleupon Sep 13 14:09
twitter Don’t like it.  Paints GNU/Linux users as an obnoxious minority.  M$ Office users are far worse. Sep 13 14:09
schestowitz It names “3%” as a figure (which is probably wrong), neglecting to mention that “computer” != “desktop”. It’s playing right into the hands of the FUD factories. Sep 13 14:09
schestowitz twitter: when a population grow big (or seen as big), then it’s not seen as “rebellious” Sep 13 14:10
schestowitz *grows.               BTW,  this is why it’s important for Microsoft to lies with Gartner mouth pieces, e.g. in Brazil.  Vendors don’t entertain “rebels”, but they address niche or market. Sep 13 14:10
twitter Office users are not rebellious, they are obnoxious conformists. Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz Yes, I know the feeling. Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz I insisted on doing my presentations with ODF back in 2005 or 2004 Sep 13 14:11
schestowitz I had to pressure them and waste my time merely to facilitate it. Sep 13 14:12
schestowitz And they still thought in terms of /applications/, not standards. Ultimately I did a lot of presentation in Web based ways… JS+CSS+HTML mostly. Sep 13 14:12
schestowitz Today we have Google Apps, but it was all about D-I-Y back in the days. Let me find some quote. Sep 13 14:13
schestowitz “everytime you say things like this i just think of that cult of people who send around .doc files. i dont want to communicate with people who talk in .doc format, but they do not wish to use something else, so they discredit those without word.” –Ed, c.o.l.a. Sep 13 14:13
twitter Things are finally changing. Sep 13 14:14
twitter It does not make sense to expect others to spend $450 just to cooperate with you. Sep 13 14:15
twitter Still, I had a conversation with a passive M$ cultist the other day.  A post doc, he was happy student fees purchased the latest and greatest M$ toxins for him. Sep 13 14:16
schestowitz I got a toxic .doc a couple of days ago, which i rarely (months since the last time, I think). It’s a job opening, but I rejected iot. Sep 13 14:17
twitter The poor devil wasted weeks of his time setting up Power Point to do posters for students at a national conference.  You would think such life sucking would teach him to look for the right tool for the job… Sep 13 14:17
schestowitz There should be more presentation standards. Sep 13 14:18
twitter Google does presentations? Sep 13 14:19
schestowitz That whole pack-and-go thing is a nightmare and collaborating with Microsoft-only people (blame schools) is even worse. When you swap documents back and forth, you know? I look forward to more Web-based collab where you just send a URL Sep 13 14:19
schestowitz twitter: yes. I’ll fetch an examplew. Sep 13 14:19
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… (scroll down) Sep 13 14:20
twitter ODF has a presentation standard, I think.  It should be an easy thing to tell people to use ODF and submit it if you won’t just let them plug their laptop in. Sep 13 14:20
twitter Sooner or later, they won’t be able to maintain the stacked panel.  There are too many better options. Sep 13 14:22
schestowitz One conference that the OSI mentioned accepts ODF as a priority. Sep 13 14:22
schestowitz Microsoft has had its feet dragged, but it had already corrupted the system and abused people to get there. Sep 13 14:23
twitter Now I see.  Iceweasel 3.0.1 does your presentation, my version of konqueror does not.  Is it flash based? Sep 13 14:25
schestowitz Got J enabled? Sep 13 14:28
schestowitz It needs to allow JS from Google. Sep 13 14:28
schestowitz I used to do them the DIY-ish way with S5: http://schestowitz.com/Research/Progress/Repor… Sep 13 14:29
twitter Same story, but works better than Google in IW. Sep 13 14:31
schestowitz Google is not standards-compliant. Sep 13 14:31
schestowitz http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/05/g… Sep 13 14:32
schestowitz http://www.computerworlduk.com/community… Sep 13 14:32
twitter Google wanted me to sign in to get the full page presentation.  That’s not something I’d want to force on conference people. Sep 13 14:32
twitter DIY has lots of advantages, thanks for sharing. Sep 13 14:32
schestowitz Also look at the source code of their search results. It’s a bloody mess (they tailor it for speed and test with particular browsers using hacks) Sep 13 14:32
twitter I think I recently read read Stallman saying, “**** speed” Sep 13 14:36
twitter :) Sep 13 14:36
schestowitz the drug? Sep 13 14:36
twitter No, as a reason to abandon your freedom. Sep 13 14:36
schestowitz :) Sep 13 14:36
schestowitz I was joking. Sep 13 14:36
schestowitz He’s all about convenience vs compromise. Sep 13 14:37
schestowitz He must be using his OLPC by now. Sep 13 14:37
twitter Ask your cardiologist about speed …. Sep 13 14:37
schestowitz Cardiologists prescribe some more CPU. Sep 13 14:37
schestowitz “Ask your nearest pharmacy for 2mg of RAM and take twice a day before a heavy ‘meal’”. Keep away from Vista. Sep 13 14:38
twitter I know a cardiologist who’s had to tell truckers, usually 30 to 40 years old, that they have only a few months left to live. Sep 13 14:40
schestowitz Why truckers? Sep 13 14:40
twitter They use speed to stay awake. Sep 13 14:41
twitter Kills them. Sep 13 14:41
schestowitz Yikes. Sep 13 14:41
schestowitz Probably similar to those ‘athletes’ on steroids. Sep 13 14:41
twitter Basically, they end up with a worn out heart.  By the time they notice it’s too late. Sep 13 14:41
twitter Steroids, ask Arnie about quad bypass. Sep 13 14:42
schestowitz LOL Sep 13 14:42
schestowitz It’s a sick world of sports out there. Sep 13 14:42
twitter it is sick. Sep 13 14:43
schestowitz I’d hate to be a professional athlete because everyone seems to be cheating somehow. And Arnie thrives in a population that think Hollywood heroes make political heroes. Sep 13 14:43
schestowitz *thinks Sep 13 14:43
twitter The more rights you lose, the more the world looks like the Soviet Union or E. Germany did.  Athletes are little more than slaves, pumped up for their owners temporary enjoyment. Sep 13 14:44
schestowitz IIRC, CA has a hugely considerable debt. As for RAM, side effects might include appetite for 64-bit. Else you die! Sep 13 14:44
schestowitz http://digg.com/linux_unix/Novell_Keeps… “I wonder, will we soon be seeing the same thing happen to Novell as happened to VMware? Like one morning the CEO (Hovsepian?) will be informed by the BOD that he’s been voted out and replaced by a ‘former’ Microsoft employee?” Sep 13 15:09
schestowitz “To be honest, the Novell/MS deal is the strangest thing. It makes no sense on many levels, and stinks (or should that be Smells Beastly?) all the way around…there’s got to be more going on.” Sep 13 15:09
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kentma proms last night tonight… Sep 13 17:41
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proms ? Sep 13 17:44
neighborlee interesting: http://live.gnome.org/Tomboy/Win32 : sandyarmsrtrong ( liink on some lines or at bottom of the page )..mono app to run on windows…sandy works for novel..hm what a surprise ;) Sep 13 17:46
schestowitz When Microsoft buys Novell, it wants to ensure it gets some useful wares for its money. /sarcasm Sep 13 17:47
neighborlee LOL yeah Sep 13 17:50
neighborlee I learned that zim is a good replacement for tomboy.. Sep 13 17:50
neighborlee so thats one less problem Sep 13 17:51
neighborlee fspot,,most seem to feel gthumb is fine Sep 13 17:51
neighborlee beyond that,,,there are suggetions im seeing, that install phase could ‘ask’ : no mono as I dont trust anything coming from M$ atm, or : sure fine install mono Im a risk taker LOL ( something along those lines, you get the idea) Sep 13 17:53
schestowitz But that’s you. What happens to people who get Ubuntu Remix for instance? Sep 13 17:54
schestowitz It’s taited with Mono, you know, and it’s not trivial to remove. People will get dependent on it and Microsoft will later roar over Mono. Sep 13 17:54
neighborlee well if ubuntu devs can’t be convinced to remove mono entirely, this install question might be all we have atm. Sep 13 17:55
neighborlee well mark shuttleworth too, he’s fine with mono as I recall Sep 13 17:56
schestowitz It’s the same with Novell. Right now it’s harvesting/feeding the pig. It makes .NET more widespread and it’s trying to ruin Red Hat. Later it’ll get around to slaughtering the pig for dinner (bye Novell/SUSE Linux and pay up for Mono). Sep 13 17:56
schestowitz neighborlee: based on the wrong assumption. As PJ stressed as well, Mark S doesn’t understand how companies and trolls coopertae. Sep 13 17:57
neighborlee nothing woiuld surprise me Sep 13 17:57
schestowitz *cooperate Sep 13 17:57
neighborlee yup I know Sep 13 17:57
neighborlee :( Sep 13 17:57
schestowitz He thinks that trolls are an issue, so Microsoft is not. Well, Microsoft has trolls lying around out there with Microsoft employees. Gates even invests in them! Sep 13 17:57
neighborlee yup Sep 13 17:58
schestowitz kentma: forget about the Proms. Hard-beat pop and ‘soft pr0n’ music videos for teenagers take over. Case of point:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpz0VcDuR4g . Get used to it. Even Charlotte Church ran back to cigarettes and drags, swearing and shouting instead of producing music. CC can hopefully save us from the moguls’ ‘meat market’ productions and ISP police state. Sep 13 18:00
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neighborlee LOL, someone referred to ‘estoppel’ as evidence that the ‘promise’ not to sue in Ecma IS ENOUGH to trust mono..ROFL :))) Sep 13 18:07
neighborlee im laughing so hard ;) Sep 13 18:07
schestowitz Where’s that? Sep 13 18:08
neighborlee the wording on the estoppel wiki used a example of creditor/debtor, and if creditor let debtor off hook of a loan, then : ‘ the creditor may be estopped from collecting the debt” <LOL Sep 13 18:09
neighborlee pasting Sep 13 18:09
neighborlee http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/110/ Sep 13 18:09
schestowitz I think I’ll do a cartoon about this. :-) Sep 13 18:09
neighborlee eropple  ‘s comment Sep 13 18:09
neighborlee ROFL Sep 13 18:09
neighborlee its just laughable Sep 13 18:09
neighborlee the diisclousre was just hilllarious too Sep 13 18:10
neighborlee (Disclosure: I’m a GSoC developer for Mono. The above pointer to the practice of estoppel, however, was pointed to me by a lawyer friend of mine whose judgement I trust unblinkingly.) Sep 13 18:10
schestowitz I see “Lars Noodén” there. Sep 13 18:10
neighborlee hmm Sep 13 18:10
schestowitz He knows that stuff! Sep 13 18:10
neighborlee heh Sep 13 18:10
schestowitz Vexorian read BN Sep 13 18:10
schestowitz The problem is that if they can get mental acceptance, there are more developers doing the denial in public Sep 13 18:11
neighborlee of course Sep 13 18:12
schestowitz Let me do a cartoon (ish) Sep 13 18:12
neighborlee when it gets a bit hot, you typically see mono supporters getting nasty Sep 13 18:12
neighborlee thats what ive seen over time anyway Sep 13 18:12
neighborlee both here, and boycottnovell and other places Sep 13 18:12
neighborlee I guess it threatens the cushy programmer .net jobs or something o_0 Sep 13 18:13
neighborlee or something ;) Sep 13 18:13
neighborlee maybe they all get free xbox360 coupons ;0- Sep 13 18:13
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schestowitz Well, that too. Sep 13 18:15
schestowitz It’s generally defense of what they were brought to by Novell  and its boosters. Sep 13 18:16
neighborlee yeah Sep 13 18:16
neighborlee so who is lars anyway Sep 13 18:16
neighborlee clearly not a mono supporter <yayyy> Sep 13 18:17
PetoKraus so i’ve got this amazing piece of hardware…. Intel Celeron 2600, 512MB RAM, 40 + 500 GB HDD, wireless PCI card etc… for under £100 Sep 13 18:18
PetoKraus fun what you can find on ebay Sep 13 18:18
neighborlee the harddrive is prob. the most expensive part ;) ( though I dont know much about celeron models) Sep 13 18:19
PetoKraus yeah, that’s half :) Sep 13 18:19
neighborlee ram is very cheap these days,, Sep 13 18:19
PetoKraus home server. Sep 13 18:19
neighborlee ah yes Sep 13 18:19
PetoKraus i’ll underclock a bit, though. Sep 13 18:19
neighborlee :) Sep 13 18:20
schestowitz I have somehing similar. Sep 13 18:21
schestowitz Haven’t booted it up in about a month. Sep 13 18:21
schestowitz *LOL* Two hits on BN in search for Novell: http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=mozcli… Sep 13 18:22
schestowitz Okay, check out the front page now. I made a post. Sep 13 18:45
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kentma schestowitz: ah, you’re probably right – e’en so, the last prom has started now, and I’m going to enjoy it :-) Sep 13 19:30
schestowitz I C… http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/2008/w… “Time 8.00pm – c10.35pm” Sep 13 19:32
twitter ick, Yahoo Finance now requires flash. Sep 13 19:40
twitter Google will still server a static image Sep 13 19:41
schestowitz Better than Yahoo doing Silverfish. http://itmanagement.earthweb.com… Sep 13 19:42
neighborlee twitter, does it work with gnash Sep 13 19:43
neighborlee schestowitz, egads yes indeed ;) Sep 13 19:43
twitter Gnash and Knash sort of work with Google but not at all with Yahoo.  Google’s static images are easier on my install.  I can test it with a more up to date version of Lenny but that’s the story with this machine. Sep 13 19:45
schestowitz Google could have done it all with Ajax. Sep 13 19:46
schestowitz It could also lobby for Ogg in HTML5, helping against Microsoft and its Ilk (former Softie in Nokia) and friends from Apple. Sep 13 19:46
twitter Yes, that would be nice. Sep 13 19:47
schestowitz I posted this < http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/ar… > in my blog some days ago. Sep 13 19:47
schestowitz Mono strings OOo: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=dia… Sep 13 19:52
schestowitz This is said to have happened in PCLOS before  (someone in Groklaw complained), but it was contradicted later. Sep 13 19:52
neighborlee OMGosh…nasty nasty Sep 13 19:54
neighborlee yeah , im sadened to see them going the mono way too…at least fedora reversed course. Sep 13 19:55
neighborlee working on ubuntu ;) Sep 13 19:55
schestowitz I could try to reproduce because I use the same distro as him ATM. Actually, I recommended it to him before he tried it again. Sep 13 19:55
schestowitz Fedora? Not exactly. Just the live CD. Sep 13 19:55
neighborlee yes but its the recommended install Sep 13 19:56
neighborlee dvd is less so as its a miuch bigger download Sep 13 19:56
schestowitz I bet it’s Novell with go-oo that makes it virtually impossible to steer away from it. Sep 13 19:56
neighborlee I’m aware of this, and I’m waiting to see if they get rid of this before the 2009.0 edition is out, before I choose to renew my powerpack subscription. <ohhhh ;) Sep 13 19:56
schestowitz We saw whis coming in 2006: http://boycottnovell.com/2006/11/20… Sep 13 19:57
schestowitz Also http://boycottnovell.com/?p=20 Sep 13 19:57
neighborlee Béranger comment was priceless LOL Sep 13 19:58
schestowitz Read the second one well. Sep 13 19:58
neighborlee Patkos Csaba  either a mole, or someone in cave  o_0 Sep 13 19:58
neighborlee hm maybe both ;0- Sep 13 19:59
schestowitz Very well, very closely. Share it in forums if needed. That’s Microsoft’s chief admitting that Mono is only for Novell and a trap Sep 13 19:59
neighborlee grins Sep 13 19:59
neighborlee i missed a url, one sec Sep 13 19:59
neighborlee the last one you posted in here you mean ? Sep 13 19:59
schestowitz Yes Sep 13 20:00
schestowitz Read it. Sep 13 20:00
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neighborlee ic yes Sep 13 20:01
neighborlee oh boy ;) Sep 13 20:01
neighborlee yeah I dont think I ever saw that Sep 13 20:02
neighborlee o_0 Sep 13 20:02
schestowitz Share it, please. Right from the horse’s mouth. Goldfarb admitted this in 2008, but he’s no Bob M Sep 13 20:03
neighborlee I can do that. Sep 13 20:03
schestowitz Tnx Sep 13 20:07
PetoKraus beranger owned the thread. Sep 13 20:09
PetoKraus if ooo 3.0 doesn’t build without mono Sep 13 20:09
PetoKraus well, that’d be sad. flagship of opensource hijacked. Sep 13 20:09
schestowitz Let me fint the GL threat Groklaw) Sep 13 20:09
schestowitz *thread (Groklaw) Sep 13 20:09
schestowitz http://www.groklaw.net/comme…) +from+Ubuntu+Hardy+Heron&type=article&a mp;order=&hideanonymous=0&am p;pid=716633#c716651 Sep 13 20:10
schestowitz Victor brought it up in: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/15… Sep 13 20:10
schestowitz http://tinyurl.com/5k3zjx Sep 13 20:11
schestowitz “Makes sense to me and I want to purge mono-related packages – if any – from distributions I use [which are - on hard drive - PCLinuxOS, Fedora, Mandriva, Mint, and Kubuntu].” Sep 13 20:11
schestowitz O wait!! It’s bbaston. I think I know him Sep 13 20:12
schestowitz PCLinuxOS is definitely a Mandriva derivative, right? Sep 13 20:13
neighborlee individual developers wouldn’t be permitted to distribute these improvements and the “community” would not benefit. <  thats huge ;0- and of couse underlines the whole  m$/novel pact itself…why anyone but moles think this is just fine , I would be very surprised ;)) Sep 13 20:13
schestowitz You now have an image to explain to Mono boosters the “ECMA promise”: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content… Sep 13 20:14
trmanco http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub.html Sep 13 20:16
schestowitz Whatzit for? Sep 13 20:17
neighborlee I agree with Mr. Remnant: F-Spot is beautiful and simple like, for Sep 13 20:19
neighborlee example, Microsoft Vista. < ROFL…thats too funny ;) ,from here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-d… Sep 13 20:19
schestowitz I’m sure that enough /Mono shill’ were there to refuse Microsoft executives who say it’s a trap. Sep 13 20:22
trmanco schestowitz, great grub tutorial Sep 13 20:22
schestowitz It’s a Big Lie. The Novell Lie. Keep everyone asleep while poisoning all the distros with a cryptonyte (spelling?) that only Novell bought ‘protection’ for. Sep 13 20:23
neighborlee https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu… < see here Sep 13 20:23
neighborlee and here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p… < and here Sep 13 20:23
neighborlee they kinda seem to be saying the same thing, dont they ;))) Sep 13 20:23
neighborlee mole alert** Sep 13 20:23
neighborlee gotcha Sep 13 20:23
schestowitz Probably Mono developers or Novell employees (or people who got brainwashed by them). Sep 13 20:24
neighborlee exactly Sep 13 20:24
schestowitz This one < https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ub… > sounds like the BS Novell people yell back at me for BN. Sep 13 20:25
neighborlee yes Sep 13 20:26
trmanco I wonder how many patents Windows’ kernel infringes Sep 13 20:26
trmanco and that saying that the Linux kernel infringes patents from MS that’s BS Sep 13 20:26
neighborlee even IF it is true …which is easier to remove fspot/tomboy/yadda, or the kernel..LOL…rome wasn’t built in a day,but I suspect they didnt start with the top of the buildings hahahaha Sep 13 20:27
trmanco Linus responded to that I think Sep 13 20:27
neighborlee trmanco, it would be great if I had a url to show that makes this point. Sep 13 20:27
neighborlee brb Sep 13 20:28
trmanco ok Sep 13 20:28
schestowitz Just found: http://news.cnet.com/2100-7344_3-5296787.html (IBM pledges no patent attacks against Linux) Sep 13 20:28
schestowitz http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07… (  Linus Responds To Microsoft Patent Claims ) Sep 13 20:29
trmanco great Sep 13 20:30
trmanco you found it :P Sep 13 20:30
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neighborlee schestowitz, sweet ;))thx indeed!! Sep 13 20:30
trmanco stupid patents Sep 13 20:31
schestowitz There’s this in the news: http://blogs.zdnet.com/green/?p=1341 Sep 13 20:31
trmanco good thing Europe (I think) doesn’t have patents Sep 13 20:31
schestowitz 4 down, 7 million to go. Sep 13 20:31
schestowitz “Fighting patents one by one will never eliminate the danger of software patents, any more than swatting mosquitoes will eliminate malaria.” –Richard Stallman Sep 13 20:32
trmanco meh Sep 13 20:32
trmanco thos microshaft ads suck Sep 13 20:32
trmanco those* Sep 13 20:32
schestowitz By design Sep 13 20:32
schestowitz To suit Vista Sep 13 20:32
trmanco a lot of sites where I see the keywords “linux” and “open source” always contain a stupid microshaft ad Sep 13 20:33
schestowitz They live in Linux’ shadow in many areas other than the desktop (embedded, servers, HPC, etc.) Sep 13 20:34
trmanco brb Sep 13 20:37
trmanco back Sep 13 20:44
trmanco schestowitz, http://groups.google.com/group/co… Sep 13 20:47
schestowitz It’s a troll. killfiled on my reader. Sep 13 20:49
trmanco yes Sep 13 20:49
trmanco He said that the LHC got hacked and it was because of Linux Sep 13 20:49
trmanco I don’t see no Linux on that article Sep 13 20:51
schestowitz They use Linux on some desktops/laptops. That’s separate. Sep 13 20:51
schestowitz trmanco: it doesn’t matter They fabricate ‘evidence’, manufacturing misconception. Sep 13 20:52
trmanco ok Sep 13 20:52
schestowitz I’ll do some more posts now (USENET) Sep 13 20:55
trmanco ok Sep 13 20:55
*trmanco Waiting … Sep 13 20:55
schestowitz The guy who posted the LHC FUD could be a Microsoft agent Sep 13 20:57
trmanco proxy? Sep 13 20:57
schestowitz He intimidates people by posting their personal details and he must have some special access to ISPs to obtain that. He posts via zombies or remailers (go figure why the secrecy) Sep 13 20:57
trmanco :| Sep 13 20:58
schestowitz It was agreed some time in 2006 that the way to beat the shill is to flood them out with good news for Free software and here I am 2 years later. Sep 13 20:58
trmanco you get all the news Sep 13 20:58
trmanco you nearly leave a chance for others to post linux related news :P Sep 13 20:59
schestowitz I go through lots. Good software makes it possible. Sep 13 20:59
trmanco but thats good Sep 13 20:59
schestowitz Besides, I E-mail PJ twice a day with links, so some of it helps Groklaw too. Sep 13 20:59
trmanco why won’t these trolls just go away :| Sep 13 21:01
trmanco its so easy to stop posting Sep 13 21:01
schestowitz Some of them were former Microsoft employees, others are Microsoft partners, trolls and AstroTurfers, some of whom were exposed before. I thin there’s a SccriptMonkey plugin for Firefox to filter Google Groups. Sep 13 21:02
trmanco I don’t use google groups :| Sep 13 21:03
trmanco I have to start creating filters in thunderbird :) Sep 13 21:04
schestowitz Use ColaTrolls to built a filter to catch all. Sep 13 21:04
trmanco yes Sep 13 21:05
trmanco sounds like a nice name for a filter for that purpose Sep 13 21:05
schestowitz http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ Sep 13 21:05
trmanco so many Sep 13 21:06
trmanco but not all of them are there Sep 13 21:06
trmanco it hasn’t been updated in a while Sep 13 21:06
schestowitz Yes, it’s an old list. Sep 13 21:07
neighborlee I think that link I posted about showing that ubuntu devs dont know much about gthumb was a great choice..others are saying hey wait a minute..:: ”  That makes me wonder if any of the devs in question have ever actually used gThumb. Nautilus and EOG do not “handle 95% of gthumb’s Sep 13 21:15
neighborlee functionality”. Oh, but F-Spot has a “better user experience”. Who needs functionality when you have such a great “user experience”? “” Sep 13 21:15
neighborlee lol Sep 13 21:15
trmanco lol Sep 13 21:16
schestowitz User experience. *LOL* Sep 13 21:16
schestowitz Sound bites like “innovation” and “ease of use”… “usability” Sep 13 21:17
trmanco I’ve heard the Fspot it slow Sep 13 21:17
trmanco that* Sep 13 21:17
trmanco is* Sep 13 21:17
trmanco man so many typos Sep 13 21:17
schestowitz Linus Torvalds:  “I think that “innovation” is a four-letter word in the industry. It should never be used in polite company. It’s become a PR thing to sell new versions with.” Sep 13 21:18
schestowitz “It was Edison who said “1% inspiration, 99% perspiration”. That may have been true a hundred years ago. These days it’s “0.01% inspiration, 99.99% perspiration”, and the inspiration is the easy part. As a project manager, I have never had trouble finding people with crazy ideas. I have trouble finding people who can execute. IOW, “innovation” is way oversold. And it sure as hell shouldn’t be applied to products l Sep 13 21:18
schestowitz ike MS Word or Open office.” Sep 13 21:18
PetoKraus you mean INNOVA~1 Sep 13 21:21
schestowitz No, no… Ballmer pronounces it with “vation” and everything. The whole deal!! :-) Sep 13 21:21
PetoKraus that’s incorrect Sep 13 21:22
PetoKraus he accidently the whole thing Sep 13 21:22
schestowitz “it’s not Eneterprise ready”…. “We have lots of reserach and development”… “we spent $5 million developing ME 3, AKA XP Vista Endition” Sep 13 21:22
schestowitz *Many typos.             There are many examples of the Microsoft ‘chorus’. All sorts of catchy phrases like “you get what you pay for” Sep 13 21:23
PetoKraus hehe Sep 13 21:24
PetoKraus i had such a funny time explaining today Sep 13 21:24
PetoKraus what’s the benefits of linux based PC Sep 13 21:24
schestowitz Class? Sep 13 21:24
PetoKraus no, shop Sep 13 21:24
PetoKraus there was this EEE with XP, but with Staroffice installed Sep 13 21:24
schestowitz Demoing tuxpaint? ;-p Sep 13 21:24
PetoKraus so i was like – alright, you get the same thing on that linux one, and it’s 40 quid cheaper Sep 13 21:25
schestowitz No forced upgrades, lock-in, etc. Sep 13 21:25
schestowitz No spyware. Sep 13 21:25
PetoKraus anyway, what pissed me off Sep 13 21:25
PetoKraus royally pissed me off Sep 13 21:25
PetoKraus is the “possibility” to get Inspiron Mini 9 with Ubuntu in the uk Sep 13 21:25
schestowitz People are taught to think in superficial ways. As RMS says, “how powerful is this program?” Sep 13 21:26
schestowitz Not “what does it do to my freedom?” Sep 13 21:26
PetoKraus i mean both are important Sep 13 21:26
PetoKraus but honestly, if you are a 18yo student of liberal arts Sep 13 21:26
PetoKraus you don’t need freaking economical macros in your word processor Sep 13 21:26
schestowitz Yes, it’s due to education though. Sep 13 21:26
schestowitz Money, money, mon^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Sep 13 21:27
PetoKraus i am gonna write a letter to dell Sep 13 21:27
schestowitz That’s like sending a gifft to /de/null/, no? Sep 13 21:28
schestowitz *typos Sep 13 21:28
MinceR nope Sep 13 21:28
MinceR it doesn’t cost as much Sep 13 21:28
MinceR and if enough people do it, there’s a tiny chance dell realises the error of their ways Sep 13 21:29
schestowitz Reuse someone’s letter Sep 13 21:29
schestowitz Wait. Sep 13 21:29
schestowitz http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/09/… Sep 13 21:29
PetoKraus nah Sep 13 21:30
PetoKraus i am just gonna fucking kill ™ ^W^W ask dell.uk why don’t they include the ubuntu version, as dell USA does Sep 13 21:31
schestowitz Tell his you’ll “whack” them. It worked for Microsoft. Sep 13 21:31
schestowitz http://www.nypost.com/seven/0… Sep 13 21:31
MinceR http://imma-chargin-malaysia.istheshit.net/ Sep 13 21:34
PetoKraus d’oh Sep 13 21:34
PetoKraus their page is like Sep 13 21:34
schestowitz Monk Sep 13 21:36
PetoKraus oh come on Sep 13 21:37
schestowitz This man < http://www.campfire.net.au/files/im… > just found out that Dell only sells Vista. Sep 13 21:37
PetoKraus if they piss me off Sep 13 21:37
PetoKraus i’ll call’em Sep 13 21:37
PetoKraus ok Sep 13 21:38
PetoKraus i’ll try dell forums Sep 13 21:38
schestowitz Send them the picture of this gentleman to show them how angry you are. Sep 13 21:39
PetoKraus oh FUCK! Sep 13 21:40
PetoKraus dell sales – no EMAIL??!?! Sep 13 21:41
schestowitz Of course not. Sep 13 21:41
PetoKraus you have to be fucking kidding me Sep 13 21:41
schestowitz Same with the travel agent I booked a ticket with. Sep 13 21:41
schestowitz I had to use their emergency E-mail. Sep 13 21:41
PetoKraus THIS IS A FUCKING EMERGENCY! Sep 13 21:42
schestowitz And then get some phone number to be thrown from one exchange to another. Sep 13 21:42
schestowitz It is. LMOA Sep 13 21:42
PetoKraus “Thank you for your feedback. Your opinion is important to us.” Sep 13 21:48
PetoKraus they are going to be buggered till i get answer Sep 13 21:48
schestowitz It probably reaches someone who never heard of Lunix. Sep 13 21:49
schestowitz Ubuntu? Maybe. Sep 13 21:50
PetoKraus i don’t care Sep 13 21:50
PetoKraus i went on a rant about the webpage as well Sep 13 21:50
schestowitz There’s no reason to live in a world where computer is synonymous with Windows. Dell helps it. Sep 13 21:50
PetoKraus hehe Sep 13 21:52
PetoKraus there were two turks buying a machine today Sep 13 21:52
PetoKraus and there’s a surcharge on Credit Cards Sep 13 21:52
PetoKraus so when i told them, they said, no, there isn’t and it never happened before, and they left Sep 13 21:52
schestowitz Pharmacy Sep 13 21:53
schestowitz ? Sep 13 21:53
PetoKraus pharmacy? sorry? Sep 13 21:53
schestowitz Oh, sorry. Where was that? Sep 13 21:54
PetoKraus laptopsdirect.net Sep 13 21:54
PetoKraus (do not interchange with *.co.uk) Sep 13 21:55
schestowitz Did you see what MicrosASUS is doing in AU? Sep 13 21:57
schestowitz It’s in the front page of Free Software Daily now. Sep 13 21:57
PetoKraus no Sep 13 22:04
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/11/a… and http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/1… Sep 13 22:06
tessier That’s Acer not Asus right? Sep 13 22:10
PetoKraus seems so Sep 13 22:10
schestowitz Which one? Sep 13 22:10
tessier You said “MicrosASUS” Sep 13 22:15
tessier Should be “MicrosAcer” Sep 13 22:16
schestowitz ASUS is in the first link. Sep 13 22:18
schestowitz I’ve just posted about what I hope is not Monodriva in he making: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/13/micro… Sep 13 22:46
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