10.16.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 15th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:42 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz	I’ll post some links and be done for today. Does anyone know about patents in Silverlight/XAML (codecs aside)? Posted a minute ago: http://boycottnovell.com/200…	Oct 15 00:05
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AlbertoP	silence	Oct 15 00:16
jose	.. no, but we do know of threats. Since Microsoft mostly came up with this particular flavor of technology, I tend not to want to force my way into such sandboxes and instead play elsewhere.	Oct 15 00:19
AlbertoP	Oo	Oct 15 00:20
AlbertoP	was that in answer to me?	Oct 15 00:20
jose	The FOSS community can pick what technology succeeds and grows.	Oct 15 00:20
jose	to you and to roy	Oct 15 00:20
schestowitz	Microsoft toys empower Microsoft.	Oct 15 00:20
schestowitz	Do it gives .NET… on its own terms.	Oct 15 00:21
jose	the threats are vague i think. I don’t track closely.	Oct 15 00:21
schestowitz	Which are not yet known.	Oct 15 00:21
AlbertoP	schestowitz, missed the last Geeko shopping?	Oct 15 00:21
jose	roy, i partially apologized in a follow up reply for the initial reply to miguel because i thought it was a little harsh	Oct 15 00:22
AlbertoP	btw, mono 2.2 is coming	Oct 15 00:25
schestowitz	AlbertoP: A Geeko is my house would scare girls away.	Oct 15 00:25
AlbertoP	hehe yes, bug suse Geeko went shopping today	Oct 15 00:25
AlbertoP	http://www.novell.com/news/press/novell-to-a…	Oct 15 00:26
schestowitz	Yes, I know.	Oct 15 00:26
schestowitz	More capturers for the Vole..	Oct 15 00:26
AlbertoP	the what?	Oct 15 00:27
schestowitz	Microsoft	Oct 15 00:31
AlbertoP	brb	Oct 15 00:40
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schestowitz	gn	Oct 15 01:13
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mib_21dwba	Since Mr. Schestowitz likes to criticize companies such as Novell and MS for buying back their own stock. How would he explain this article http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/s…. Is it OK for Redhat to do this?	Oct 15 03:12
AlbertoP	uh…interesting	Oct 15 03:15
AlbertoP	mib_21dwba, roy is probably sleeping at this time	Oct 15 03:15
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*AlbertoP pats his Geeko		Oct 15 03:16
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mib_21dwba	lol. We all gotta sleep sometime. I’m about to do the same.	Oct 15 03:16
AlbertoP	mib_21dwba, hehe well I’m “a biased spy, suse user” ^^	Oct 15 03:17
AlbertoP	so I can’t really answer	Oct 15 03:17
mib_21dwba	hahaha. Honestly I use Suse too.	Oct 15 03:18
mib_21dwba	shh. don’t tell anyone though.	Oct 15 03:19
AlbertoP	ah really? I believed to be the only one remained on the planet	Oct 15 03:19
AlbertoP	you know…	Oct 15 03:19
AlbertoP		Oct 15 03:19
mib_21dwba	Yep. I think there are a number of us secret spy people using Suse.	Oct 15 03:20
AlbertoP	yes…we dress in green, we change colour, and we…have a rolled tail	Oct 15 03:21
mib_21dwba		Oct 15 03:21
*AlbertoP wants a Geeko		Oct 15 03:22
AlbertoP	a plush of course	Oct 15 03:22
mib_21dwba	Me too.	Oct 15 03:22
AlbertoP	eh not so easy…it’s ages I try to find one	Oct 15 03:22
mib_21dwba	I think I’ll change my text color to green. Will that give me away	Oct 15 03:23
AlbertoP	they had them at a conference in japan….let me look for a pic	Oct 15 03:23
mib_21dwba	I have a penguin but sadly no gecko.	Oct 15 03:23
AlbertoP	yep, me too…	Oct 15 03:23
mib_21dwba	They give them away at Brainshare but I kept missing them last year.	Oct 15 03:24
AlbertoP	http://www.flickr.com/photos/jzb/2914139185/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/2912355796/	Oct 15 03:24
AlbertoP	hehe…that’s what I was thinking…go to brainshare just to get a geeko ^^	Oct 15 03:24
mib_21dwba	AlbetoP it has been a pleasure talking to you but now I have to get some sleep.	Oct 15 03:25
mib_21dwba	darn r AlbertoP.	Oct 15 03:25
AlbertoP	ok	Oct 15 03:25
AlbertoP	n8	Oct 15 03:25
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twitter	Suse users, sheesh.	Oct 15 04:17
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MinceR	r4wr	Oct 15 05:34
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schestowitz	Microsoft Shill Alert: “For the most part, I’d ignore the Linux devices. ” < http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/1… >	Oct 15 07:34
schestowitz	Michael Gartenberg is a former Microsoft employee (evangelist)	Oct 15 07:35
schestowitz	It says nothing about him being a Microsoft shill and it’s far from the first time that he bashes Linux in the press.	Oct 15 07:35
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schestowitz	http://slated.org/linux_still_doesnt…	Oct 15 07:50
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-jul-oct.html# : “Venezuela needs strict limits on foreign funding of political activity, because this is a method commonly used by Bush to destabilize other countries. These limits should be established by law.”	Oct 15 07:58
schestowitz	More .NET/Mono people at Novell: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2008/Oct-14-1.html	Oct 15 08:16
benJIman	\o/	Oct 15 08:19
schestowitz	Europe goes SPLAT today (again!): http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=asia	Oct 15 08:22
schestowitz	http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=europe	Oct 15 08:22
schestowitz	< http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/13/51769 > Public Perception and the Economy Past … < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/14/51795 > Examples of US Industry Nationalization [...] “An article outlining past examples of where the government stepped in and took over an industry or set of companies because of some emergency.”	Oct 15 08:44
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schestowitz	I’ve just noticed that 5 times a day people search for “mono trap” and end up in BN. Why would they search for “mono trap” in the first place?	Oct 15 09:04
schestowitz	This is insane < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/10/14/google-… >: “Google is reportedly blocking use of it’s Chrome browser (among other applications like Google Talk and Gmail Notifier) in some countries with which the United States has economic sanctions and export controls with. “We are unable to permit the download of Google Chrome in Cuba, Syria, North Korea, Iran, and Sudan,” says a Go	Oct 15 09:08
schestowitz	ogle Spokesperson.”	Oct 15 09:08
schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7667610.stm	Oct 15 09:33
schestowitz	Anti-FOSS czar at Microsoft: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10065378-9…	Oct 15 09:34
schestowitz	http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10066000-92… “Shares of Amazon.com sold off sharply Tuesday, and Apple failed to swim against the tide despite rolling out a revamped MacBook line, as the broader markets gave up gains from its stellar performance a day earlier.”	Oct 15 09:38
schestowitz	iTunes boycott: AC/DC’s iTunes boycott is on Highway to Hell < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10066360-93.html?… >	Oct 15 09:40
schestowitz	Great picture here: http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008…	Oct 15 09:45
schestowitz	ECT allow businesses to plant self-promotional fluff yet again (Simon Crosby of Citrix): http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/64796.html <— Informercial	Oct 15 09:51
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schestowitz	Your ‘friend’ Meeks is helping the creation of a fair bit of FUD, benJIman: http://blogs.computerworld.com/is_version_3_0…	Oct 15 10:12
ZiggyFish1	schestowitz: do you like the new openoffice>	Oct 15 10:16
ZiggyFish1	*?	Oct 15 10:16
schestowitz	I don’t use OpenOffice. I used it some months ago for a spreadsheet, though. I refer TeX.	Oct 15 10:17
ZiggyFish1	oh, ok. Have you heard anything from Microsoft about mono	Oct 15 10:19
schestowitz	No, I’ll resend soon.	Oct 15 10:22
schestowitz	They keep harping about Moonlight now… pretending that Silverlight works in Linux (it’s not), for press purposes.	Oct 15 10:23
ZiggyFish1	dam, will be interesting to see what they say.	Oct 15 10:23
ZiggyFish1	have you seen http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JEUrQEj6Sd4 , completely forgets about linux, when he calls Silverlight crossplatform	Oct 15 10:25
schestowitz	Well, it’s Microsoft. They spin and lie.	Oct 15 10:26
ZiggyFish1	true	Oct 15 10:26
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/26/micr… : Microsoft Redefines “Cross-platform”: Mac + Win32	Oct 15 10:26
schestowitz	European markets still down 2-3% today. Wal Street will probably be the same when it opens.	Oct 15 10:31
schestowitz	More Mono ‘boosting’ < http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/progra… >, BUT…. don’t miss this nugget of information: “Disclosure of Justin’s industry affiliations: Justin James has a working arrangement with Microsoft to write an article for MSDN Magazine.”	Oct 15 10:34
schestowitz	Mono — loved by… Microsoft people and Microsoft fans. Yes, it sure is ‘loved’ by a lot of people.	Oct 15 10:34
ZiggyFish1	yeah	Oct 15 10:40
ZiggyFish1	All major markets (RHT, NOVL, MSFT, GOOG) were down today	Oct 15 10:41
ZiggyFish1	ATM all are even	Oct 15 10:41
schestowitz	Yes, I know. The govt. are too ashamed to admit their failures.	Oct 15 10:41
ZiggyFish1	well it is bush your talking about	Oct 15 10:42
schestowitz	They move into some sort of neo-socialism that facilitates corruption… and deny doing any wrong.	Oct 15 10:42
schestowitz	I’m fair of a fan of fascism of communism, but this quote caught my eyes: ” the recurrent business cycle crises of capitalism were inevitable results of the system’s operations. In this view, all that the government can do is to change the timing of economic crises. The crisis could also show up in a different form, for example as severe inflation or a steadily increasing government deficit. Worse, by delaying a crisis, government	Oct 15 10:43
schestowitz	policy is seen as making it more dramatic and thus more painful.”	Oct 15 10:43
schestowitz	Quoted in http://www.beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&amp… . Just consider the US debt. I don’t know what it’s like in Australia.	Oct 15 10:44
schestowitz	Oops. Typoe there. Meant to type “I’m far from a fan”	Oct 15 10:44
schestowitz	Oops. Typos there. Meant to type “I’m far from a fan”	Oct 15 10:44
ZiggyFish1	lol	Oct 15 10:45
schestowitz	Bad typos to make.	Oct 15 10:45
ZiggyFish1	lol	Oct 15 10:46
ZiggyFish1	the ausie dollor is down (was 9*c/ USD, now down to 66c/USD)	Oct 15 10:47
schestowitz	USD: does anyone still use it?	Oct 15 10:48
ZiggyFish1	Microsoft (or is it the government they use, can never tell these days)	Oct 15 10:49
ZiggyFish1		Oct 15 10:49
schestowitz	I’m not so sure.	Oct 15 10:50
schestowitz	Microsoft stores some of its lost fortunes overseas. And those that ‘milked’ money can have it in an overseas account, the likes of Ballmer included.	Oct 15 10:51
schestowitz	Linux conference coming to Australia: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS59…	Oct 15 10:53
ZiggyFish1	dam it’s in Tasmania (not on the main land), I’m in Brisbane	Oct 15 10:57
schestowitz	Aw well… I have a question, maybe you can help. Any search/indexer that’s good for KDE? I’m trying to figure out how to improve BN search	Oct 15 11:01
ZiggyFish1	mm	Oct 15 11:02
ZiggyFish1	I use gnome normally	Oct 15 11:02
schestowitz	I just found this: http://linuxappfinder.com/blog/linux_desktop_search	Oct 15 11:02
schestowitz	All sort of Mono poison though.	Oct 15 11:03
schestowitz	Kerry, Beagle… .NET cr*p… and Google Desktop is proprietary.	Oct 15 11:03
schestowitz	This one looks decent, but no indexing is done: http://linuxappfinder.com/package/searchmonkey	Oct 15 11:04
ZiggyFish1	http://linuxappfinder.com/package/kat sounds good	Oct 15 11:04
schestowitz	I’m not sure Kerry Beagle is Mono-infected, despite the association with Beagle.	Oct 15 11:05
ZiggyFish1	don’t know	Oct 15 11:06
schestowitz	Kat looks good.	Oct 15 11:06
schestowitz	Haha.	Oct 15 11:07
schestowitz	Kerry is indeed Mono-based.	Oct 15 11:07
ZiggyFish1	lol	Oct 15 11:07
schestowitz	Mandriva comes up with the list of dependencies in the PM.	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	To satisfy dependencies, the following package(s) also need to be installed:	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- beagle-0.3.3-7.1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- glib-sharp2-2.12.0-1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- gmime-sharp-2.2.18-1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- gsf-sharp-0.8.1-2mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- libchm0-0.39-2mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- libgdiplus0-1.2.6-2mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- libgluezilla0-1.2.6.1-2.4mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- libgmime2.0_2-2.2.18-1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- libmono0-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- libsqlite0-2.8.17-7mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- libwv-1.2_3-1.2.4-4mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- mono-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- mono-data-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- mono-data-sqlite-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- mono-web-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- mono-winforms-1.2.6-4.1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- ndesk-dbus-0.6.0-1mdv2008.1.noarch	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- ndesk-dbus-glib-0.4.1-1mdv2008.1.noarch	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	- poppler-0.6.4-2.1mdv2008.1.i586	Oct 15 11:08
schestowitz	A shame really… must be a good app, but Mono makes it a Nono.	Oct 15 11:08
ZiggyFish1	mono-winforms – lol (the part that contains the patients)	Oct 15 11:09
ZiggyFish1	is kde4 anygood?	Oct 15 11:10
schestowitz	I haven’t installed it yet.	Oct 15 11:11
ZiggyFish1	didn’t like KDE 4.0	Oct 15 11:12
schestowitz	http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/desktop_s…	Oct 15 11:12
schestowitz	I’m installing Tracker now.	Oct 15 11:13
schestowitz	Be sure to warn people that Beagle is a trap.	Oct 15 11:13
ZiggyFish1	will do	Oct 15 11:14
schestowitz	WTF??	Oct 15 11:25
schestowitz	Even the Tracker front end appears to require Mono and WInforms.	Oct 15 11:25
schestowitz	Well, Recoll… depends on F* Mono also.	Oct 15 11:27
schestowitz	Oh, my bad.	Oct 15 11:28
schestowitz	It’s not.	Oct 15 11:28
ZiggyFish1	lol	Oct 15 11:34
schestowitz	The PM does something funny, so I had to restart it to prevent unnecessary packages from being installed. Recoll and Tracker don’t need Mono. Recoll is indexing my home directory now (may take half a day at this pace)	Oct 15 11:35
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schestowitz	Fear for DNS security: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index… (could be used to pass New Laws(TM)	Oct 15 11:39
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ZiggyFish1	I like the sound of this, Linux takes a seat on Qantas’ new superjumbo	Oct 15 11:43
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ZiggyFish1	I’m looking forward to Firefox 3.1	Oct 15 12:13
ZiggyFish1	because of the new support for the video tag	Oct 15 12:13
schestowitz	I’ll use it in BN (embedded Ogg).	Oct 15 12:14
ZiggyFish1	it’s already working in the Beta (not so good with audio ATM)	Oct 15 12:15
ZiggyFish1	I’ll be using it in my websites	Oct 15 12:15
ZiggyFish1	it’ll be a Silverlight killer	Oct 15 12:15
schestowitz	Don’t say that. You’ll scare SweatyB.	Oct 15 12:16
ZiggyFish1	lol	Oct 15 12:16
schestowitz	More like a Flash killer anyway. Silverlight is nowhere.	Oct 15 12:16
schestowitz	http://www.computerworlduk.com/communit…	Oct 15 12:16
ZiggyFish1	I was looking at Silverlight last night. It seems that it’s possible to make viruses in Silverlight (since Silverlight scripting language is .NET)	Oct 15 12:18
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schestowitz	It’s the same with COM objects, DirectX and all that malarkey that’s tightly correlated to a platform, not a VM.	Oct 15 12:22
ZiggyFish1	yeah, so will enterprise IT managers install Silverlight?	Oct 15 12:23
ZiggyFish1	knowing the problems	Oct 15 12:23
schestowitz	No. It’s a virus. SL itself is a virus.	Oct 15 12:23
ZiggyFish1	true	Oct 15 12:24
MinceR	are enterprise IT managers aware of that?	Oct 15 12:38
schestowitz	They use WanKer (OneCare), so it’s overlooked. :-p	Oct 15 12:40
ZiggyFish1	MinceR: don’t think so	Oct 15 12:51
ZiggyFish1	anyway going to bed	Oct 15 12:54
ZiggyFish1	c ya	Oct 15 12:54
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schestowitz	Whoa. Dow is down 2.5% on the very opening.	Oct 15 13:40
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twitter	ow	Oct 15 14:28
twitter	the soft dove 10% and has climbed up to a 5% loss, ha ha	Oct 15 14:31
twitter	woops, erased their loss. Wonder when their buyback money is going to run out.	Oct 15 14:32
schestowitz	http://www.247wallst.com/2008/09/microso…	Oct 15 14:35
schestowitz	“This new one is through September 30, 2013.” They spent $26-45bn on buybacks between late 2006 and some time in 2008, IIRC, so this can run out sooner.. “The company has announced it has authorized debt financings of up to $6 billion…”	Oct 15 14:36
schestowitz	/s/$26/$36/	Oct 15 14:36
schestowitz	Digg.com is down. I’ve also just tried my proxy.	Oct 15 14:39
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PetoKraus	schestowitz: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/0…	Oct 15 17:50
schestowitz	Yes, thanks!	Oct 15 17:50
schestowitz	PetoKraus: can I please ask you for a favour? I was absent for like 3 hours from this IRC channel. Were you here throughout?	Oct 15 17:54
PetoKraus	yes	Oct 15 17:54
PetoKraus	nothing happened	Oct 15 17:54
schestowitz	Could you please paste everything?	Oct 15 17:54
schestowitz	(events)	Oct 15 17:54
PetoKraus	well, there is one line from me	Oct 15 17:54
schestowitz	my logger ran out of space without me noticing.	Oct 15 17:54
PetoKraus	you wanna quits as well?	Oct 15 17:54
schestowitz	Yes, just a big paste.	Oct 15 17:54
PetoKraus	http://www.irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/681	Oct 15 17:55
schestowitz	OK, thanks. I see it’s no activity indeed…	Oct 15 17:56
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schestowitz	<PetoKraus> so apparently, my traffic on the server as the ooxml spec mirror was 69GB	Oct 15 17:56
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schestowitz	<PetoKraus> oh COME ON! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/08/…	Oct 15 17:56
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PetoKraus	so, should i actually delete the OOXmL specs?	Oct 15 17:57
schestowitz	Yes, please.	Oct 15 17:57
PetoKraus	you said you had to remove them from mirrors	Oct 15 17:57
PetoKraus	anyway, what’s the story?	Oct 15 17:57
schestowitz	The ones I control.	Oct 15 17:57
schestowitz	No story, nothing done.	Oct 15 17:57
PetoKraus	i mean, what happened, that you have to delete them	Oct 15 17:57
PetoKraus	couldn’t find link anywhere, the one you provide on the page is a bit irrelevant	Oct 15 17:58
schestowitz	I don’t want to aggravate them. I didn’t realise it was copyrighted until someone mailed me the HTMLs	Oct 15 17:58
schestowitz	I never opened the monster.	Oct 15 17:58
PetoKraus	aha	Oct 15 17:58
PetoKraus	right. That’s fun.	Oct 15 17:58
schestowitz	I totally forgot other people produced mirrors.	Oct 15 17:58
schestowitz	It was cycling before I tossed it online anyway	Oct 15 17:58
schestowitz	It wasn’t noticed until 1-2 days later when one of the readers decided to put it on /..	Oct 15 17:59
PetoKraus	i thought it was somewhat implied that standards are there to be distributed	Oct 15 17:59
schestowitz	Yes, same here.	Oct 15 17:59
schestowitz	I assumed it was behind password to everyone’s surpirse (it was a a surprise)	Oct 15 17:59
schestowitz	The delay, I assumed, was to do with finalisation (assumind it goes public when done).	Oct 15 18:00
schestowitz	brb	Oct 15 18:00
schestowitz	Got to get something	Oct 15 18:00
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schestowitz	Eek! Wall Street down over 5% today.	Oct 15 18:34
schestowitz	Novell down 6.5%. Everything is /so/ erratic.	Oct 15 18:34
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schestowitz	The Great Wall of Australia (they turned Totalitarian like China): http://www.infoworld.com/news/feeds/08/10/13/No-opt-…	Oct 15 18:40
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schestowitz	This equipment was introduced under the disguise of “Think about the Children.” Disgusting. They use pedophilia as an excuse to censor the political things.	Oct 15 18:42
schestowitz	IBM going east… http://www.informationweek.com/news/services/saas/sh…	Oct 15 18:44
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twitter	hardware failure, :’(	Oct 15 18:54
schestowitz	You?	Oct 15 18:54
twitter	had a network card fail	Oct 15 18:55
schestowitz	I think my NVidia card causes me trouble.	Oct 15 18:55
twitter	do you use the free driver or the 3d accel?	Oct 15 18:55
schestowitz	No, binary	Oct 15 18:55
twitter	the free drivers work well.	Oct 15 18:55
schestowitz	No dual head..	Oct 15 18:56
benJIman	The free drivers do have twinview now.	Oct 15 18:56
twitter	that’s what Enlightenment’s pagers are for.	Oct 15 18:56
schestowitz	That’s good. Either way, it seems like a possible h/w issue.	Oct 15 18:56
benJIman	Nouveau that is, supports twinview and has better 2d accelleration than nvidia’s drivers.	Oct 15 18:56
benJIman	Of course, it was written by Novell people, so that might prevent you from using it.	Oct 15 18:57
twitter	KDE has got a clumsy pager that’s getting better. Can’t live without pagers	Oct 15 18:57
benJIman	Though rejecting a GPL driver written by Novell for a proprietary driver that infringes the kernel developers’ copyright is laughable.	Oct 15 18:57
twitter	Software from an untrusted source is not trustworthy even if it’s free.	Oct 15 18:58
twitter	Divide and conquer is what M$’s dealings with Novel are all about.	Oct 15 19:00
twitter	The same might be said of M$’s dealings with Nvidia, ha ha.	Oct 15 19:00
twitter	M$ considers everyone “Pawns” and “one night stands” … I wonder why people work for them knowing this.	Oct 15 19:03
twitter	schestowitz: you can always get another card to find out.	Oct 15 19:12
twitter	well, I have a little more work to do to get back up. back in a bit.	Oct 15 19:13
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MinceR	for some people i’d say it’s because they started working for m$ before it became bleeding obvious	Oct 15 19:17
MinceR	for others, i have no idea.	Oct 15 19:17
MinceR	perhaps greed-induced naivety	Oct 15 19:17
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schestowitz	http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10/ns…	Oct 15 19:31
schestowitz	“NSA’s Warrantless Eavesdropping Targets Innocent Americans [..] Remember when the U.S. government said it was only spying on terrorists? Anyone with any common sense knew it was lying — power without oversight is always abused — but even I didn’t think it was this bad…”	Oct 15 19:32
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brunomiguel	hello	Oct 15 19:35
schestowitz	Voodoo magic analysts: “Bear in mind, this is breaking a little new ground,” added Marcus. “But it’s clear that [Patch Tuesday] has some effect on [Microsoft share] value.”‘ http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?co…	Oct 15 19:36
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schestowitz	OhMyGod: “Chambers’ may appeal after his suit against God is tossed out [...] You can’t sue God if you can’t serve the papers on him, a Douglas County District Court judge has ruled in Omaha.” http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=…	Oct 15 19:48
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schestowitz	Toshiba sells Linux (despite history of being against it) even on high-end models now: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/10/15/portege_trio/	Oct 15 20:11
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/15/tesla_lay…	Oct 15 20:14
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schestowitz	More genius: Forrester Research lowers IT spending predictions < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10066815… >	Oct 15 20:21
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schestowitz	Just posted: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/15/novell-w… Microsoft is down 6% BTW.	Oct 15 21:45
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schestowitz	Incredible images of the Sun : http://radar.oreilly.com/assets_c/2008/10/…	Oct 15 21:47
MinceR	i prefer http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0211/s…	Oct 15 21:47
schestowitz	It looks surreal. And black bits, too…	Oct 15 21:48
schestowitz	See if you can spot some pattern on the sun _at some moment_ which resembles a face. Surely that would be proof of human life in Sun (Microsystems?)	Oct 15 21:49
MinceR	http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/apod/apod_s…	Oct 15 21:50
schestowitz	Look < http://www.september11news.com/Faces… >, Satan is in the details.	Oct 15 21:50
schestowitz	The sun looks so cool. Now, /that’s/ one place I’d like to visit sometimes. Do they allow cameras there?	Oct 15 21:51
schestowitz	Haha. Some people use the term “Silverblight,” which I think I coined. http://www.mixx.com/stories/2459453/media_reality…	Oct 15 21:53
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schestowitz	Unless some people thought it up simultaneously, of course. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozcl… (mostly my posts) Check out http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&…	Oct 15 21:56
twitter	Don’t tarnish your screen with SilverBlight (TM).	Oct 15 21:57
schestowitz	Sounds like a slogan/logo	Oct 15 21:58
twitter	Big black DRM shadowing a gray screen.	Oct 15 22:00
twitter	maybe just the word RESTRICTIONS	Oct 15 22:00
twitter	restricted	Oct 15 22:01
twitter	M$Restricted (TM)	Oct 15 22:02
schestowitz	“Restricted” is gentle.	Oct 15 22:02
twitter	Pownd	Oct 15 22:02
schestowitz	Locked or punishing are stronger words.	Oct 15 22:02
MinceR	it’s a trap!	Oct 15 22:06
MinceR	</ackbar>	Oct 15 22:06
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schestowitz	http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000… No need to burn books you can’t read – DRM and public libraries	Oct 15 22:07
schestowitz	They take rights away from people and /sell/ them back. I’ll write about that later (more on the British Library’s kickbacks with Mirosoft)	Oct 15 22:07
schestowitz	http://www.silicon.com/retailandleisure/0,3800… “However, the Beeb’s downloadable content will come with strings attached: content for all platforms will include DRM.”	Oct 15 22:08
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kevin083	if you think drm is bad for sighted people, consider disabled people who need tech like screen readers	Oct 15 22:10
kevin083	no text = no text-to-speech without using specifically allowed apps	Oct 15 22:11
schestowitz	This may also affect Web browsers: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives…	Oct 15 22:12
schestowitz	“Bill Hill has posted an article about “font embedding” on the Web, pushing Microsoft’s “Embedded OpenType” format as the only way to do font embedding that’s acceptable to font foundries. The theme is that “font linking” as implemented by Safari (and soon Gecko and Opera) is likely to get people sued and would lead to widespread font theft, and EOT is a much better approach that is endorsed by Microsoft and other font vendors. Chr	Oct 15 22:12
schestowitz	is Wilson followed up.”	Oct 15 22:12
schestowitz	The comments says: “Microsoft pushing yet another form of DRM that’s not going to work? I’m so not surprised! BTW IIRC fonts are covered by a special form of patents, not copyright, aren’t they? Well just like every other content, the owner will be able to take legal action against unauthorized users; and they could be able to tap a new market by licensing their fonts for embedding. Will they be smarter than the MAFIAAs?”	Oct 15 22:12
MinceR	unless m$ can buy the major browsers into supporting this, it’s doomed to fail.	Oct 15 22:13
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twitter	Your culture in jail.	Oct 15 22:21
twitter	They are trying to put chains back on books.	Oct 15 22:21
twitter	If we don’t control the fonts, people might share and learn.	Oct 15 22:22
twitter	oh no	Oct 15 22:22
PetoKraus	doh	Oct 15 22:22
PetoKraus	i’ve just finished Tarkovsky’s solaris	Oct 15 22:22
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PetoKraus	hmm, how the hell did… eh… i got email from Bruce Byfield?	Oct 15 22:28
twitter	oh noes, hate mail	Oct 15 22:33
twitter	do share	Oct 15 22:33
PetoKraus	nah, he just wants comments	Oct 15 22:33
PetoKraus	he’s even eager to call me	Oct 15 22:34
PetoKraus	at freaking 23:38	Oct 15 22:34
twitter	about what?	Oct 15 22:34
PetoKraus	dunno	Oct 15 22:34
PetoKraus	if i don’t come back tommorow	Oct 15 22:34
schestowitz	PetoKraus: why?	Oct 15 22:34
PetoKraus	he offered me £3000 for keeping mouth shut	Oct 15 22:34
PetoKraus		Oct 15 22:34
twitter	about what?	Oct 15 22:35
PetoKraus	dunno	Oct 15 22:35
PetoKraus	i mean, i am not expert	Oct 15 22:35
PetoKraus	he wants “comments” on whatever	Oct 15 22:35
PetoKraus	he didn’t even ask me yet	Oct 15 22:35
schestowitz	I’ve just sorted out something cool in CSS.	Oct 15 22:35
schestowitz	I can do nicely-formatted posts with 3 columns in Webkit and Gecko	Oct 15 22:36
twitter	what a very strange man, wants prior restraint without prior knowledge.	Oct 15 22:36
PetoKraus	twitter: i told him “go forth and ask”	Oct 15 22:37
schestowitz	Did you speak to him before?	Oct 15 22:37
schestowitz	He is in good touch with FSF people and you are a member, IIRC.	Oct 15 22:37
PetoKraus	no, never	Oct 15 22:38
PetoKraus	and yes, i am a member	Oct 15 22:38
PetoKraus	though i don’t like him THAT much	Oct 15 22:38
PetoKraus	he doesn’t make good impression on me	Oct 15 22:38
twitter	I don’t like him at all.	Oct 15 22:38
schestowitz	See the last line here: http://www.linux.com/feature/149403	Oct 15 22:38
schestowitz	He posted a good article some hours ago… about Free software and open source.	Oct 15 22:39
schestowitz	I like his article a lot as long as he doesn’t go around bashing and dismissing those who oppose corruption. He even criticised Groklaw.	Oct 15 22:39
schestowitz	Presidential candidates dance around the Tube now: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/mccainpa…	Oct 15 22:42
twitter	Ick, I read it all. Amazing, he wrote an article where he does not flame the free software community in one way or another.	Oct 15 22:44
schestowitz	The majority of his articles are good.	Oct 15 22:45
twitter	Of course, his repetition of the “free software is not innovative” lie is an amplification that creates controversy where there should be none.	Oct 15 22:45
twitter	The innovative and leading qualities of free software are obvious to any user.	Oct 15 22:46
schestowitz	The word innovative is worth discarding in any context. it’s a ‘junk food’ word.	Oct 15 22:46
PetoKraus	innova~1?	Oct 15 22:47
schestowitz	Free software predates proprietary anyway. That’s where the /real/ innovation (early days) actually occurred, but revisionism obscures this reality.	Oct 15 22:47
schestowitz	INNOVA~1. It’s not case sensitive	Oct 15 22:47
schestowitz	C:/> cd INNOVA~1	Oct 15 22:48
twitter	toupper	Oct 15 22:48
schestowitz	C:/INNOVA~1> cd Micros~1	Oct 15 22:48
schestowitz	C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1> dir	Oct 15 22:48
twitter	toupper dupper	Oct 15 22:48
schestowitz	C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1>	Oct 15 22:48
schestowitz	C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1>	Oct 15 22:48
schestowitz	C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1>	Oct 15 22:48
schestowitz	C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1>dir	Oct 15 22:48
schestowitz	C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1>dir	Oct 15 22:48
schestowitz	C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1>	Oct 15 22:48
schestowitz	C:/INNOVA~1/Micros~1>del .	Oct 15 22:48
twitter	no hidden files?	Oct 15 22:48
schestowitz	Error: no file found	Oct 15 22:48
MinceR	nah	Oct 15 22:48
PetoKraus	what the fuck is C:/ anyway	Oct 15 22:48
MinceR	they wouldn’t want to hide anything there	Oct 15 22:49
twitter	C:\	Oct 15 22:49
PetoKraus		Oct 15 22:49
schestowitz	Yes, oopsie.	Oct 15 22:49
schestowitz	*nix habits	Oct 15 22:49
PetoKraus	INNOVA!	Oct 15 22:49
MinceR	drive letters are a stupid idea anyway	Oct 15 22:49
twitter	they use escape character as a delimiter	Oct 15 22:49
schestowitz	Where is drive B?	Oct 15 22:49
schestowitz	Yeah, that sure makes a lot of sense.	Oct 15 22:49
PetoKraus	it dines in hell.	Oct 15 22:49
MinceR	it’s the second floppy drive	Oct 15 22:49
twitter	don’t talk bad about my floppy!	Oct 15 22:49
schestowitz	It was ‘user friendly’… knowing that it doesn’t exist… and that cdrom is well… E… or F… or who the heck knows?	Oct 15 22:50
PetoKraus	D, usually	Oct 15 22:50
MinceR	my first pc had both an 5.25″ and a 90mm (usually called 3.5″) floppy drive	Oct 15 22:50
PetoKraus	like c-D!	Oct 15 22:50
twitter	floppy A, B, no fixed disk.	Oct 15 22:50
PetoKraus	my first pc, Pentium 166, has got Dos only	Oct 15 22:50
MinceR	(and a Conner HDD)	Oct 15 22:51
twitter	No one had more than two floppies so fixed disks were C and D, E, F …	Oct 15 22:51
schestowitz	Bruce mailed me too.	Oct 15 22:51
schestowitz	It’s polite.	Oct 15 22:51
PetoKraus	schestowitz: yes	Oct 15 22:51
PetoKraus	i hope whether ben gets email	Oct 15 22:51
PetoKraus	*wonder	Oct 15 22:52
twitter	boil, boil, toil and trouble!	Oct 15 22:52
schestowitz	MinceR: maybe when Vista is SSD-’ready’ (it’s not quite), they”ll assign G to that	Oct 15 22:52
schestowitz	The point is that arbitrary letters are /NOT/ better.	Oct 15 22:52
twitter	hda, sda?	Oct 15 22:52
schestowitz	No matter how much people were taught this.	Oct 15 22:52
twitter	unified file systems rock	Oct 15 22:52
MinceR	somehow they had the brains to omit drive letters from wince	Oct 15 22:52
schestowitz	PetoKraus: they probably approach Novell too.	Oct 15 22:52
schestowitz	I haven’t read the mail yet. Give me a moment.	Oct 15 22:53
schestowitz	I suppose it’s intended to try and resolve issues.	Oct 15 22:53
schestowitz	Which reminds me of what cj attempted.	Oct 15 22:54
twitter	You have to remember the kinds of things he’s said about you in the past. There’s quite a lot to resolve.	Oct 15 22:54
twitter	semi-professional, etc.	Oct 15 22:54
twitter	dinner time.	Oct 15 22:56
PetoKraus	anyway, time to sleep. Need to wake up at 7 today…	Oct 15 22:57
schestowitz	gn, PetoKraus	Oct 15 22:58
schestowitz	twitter: yes, it doesn’t seem like a trap to me. The money PetoKraus mentioned raises suspicion though.	Oct 15 22:59
PetoKraus	nah	Oct 15 22:59
PetoKraus	i was just joking	Oct 15 22:59
PetoKraus	there’s no mention of money in the email	Oct 15 22:59
PetoKraus	i am as intrigued as you, trust me	Oct 15 23:00
schestowitz	PetoKraus: I’m replying at the moment.	Oct 15 23:04
MinceR	gn	Oct 15 23:09
schestowitz	gn	Oct 15 23:16
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schestowitz	Watch this shill’s comments: http://digg.com/users/kretik/history	Oct 15 23:48
schestowitz	All his activity is just attacks on me (in the comments)	Oct 15 23:48
schestowitz	There are at least 4 such accounts. If you watch the ‘friends’ of this account, it’s other anti-Linux users; there’s a nice pattern there.	Oct 15 23:49