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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 7th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:34 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter :) Put Lenny on my trusty, 233 MHz Thinkpad 600.  7GB hard drive, 256MB RAM, Pentium 2. Nov 07 03:49
tessier Sounds painful. Nov 07 03:50
twitter It almost worked out of the box. I had to blacklist the modem and snd_cs4232 and manually load snd_cs4236 with nasty isa options. Nov 07 03:50
twitter added E16 and it works OK.  Try that with Vista or Vista 7, ha ha ha. Nov 07 03:51
twitter You will have to get a scsi DVD player for starters because 600 typically has a CD. Nov 07 03:52
twitter It is a heavy laptop but very sturdy and the screen is still excellent after ten years of use. Nov 07 03:52
twitter Rythm box plays local files smoothly, Gnash on Iceweasel is just too much for it. Nov 07 03:53
twitter Iceweasel works well otherwise. Nov 07 03:53
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twitter Have not tried out Open Office yet. Nov 07 03:54
twitter Have not tried mp4 or mpeg movie playing but those used to work under Sarge and Etch. Nov 07 03:55
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twitter Lenny started faster and played music better than Etch did.  That was surprising. Nov 07 03:55
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*schestowitz has a 400MHz laptop lying about (AMD). Nov 07 07:39
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MinceR j0 Nov 07 08:56
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schestowitz Dell offering White Spaces connectivity with future Laptops < http://www.tgdaily.com/c… >\ Nov 07 09:56
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schestowitz Sandisk axes 15 per cent of workforce < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir… >; AMD lets Stream author go < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir… > Nov 07 11:27
schestowitz http://technocrat.net/d/2008/11/6/53569 “Corresponding with the election of Barack Obama as President, ex vice President and now green crusader Al Gore and his organization are pushing a new heavily advertised triple play energy package that they say could provide the US with 100% green power within ten years..” Nov 07 11:31
schestowitz Stock manipulation or fear of big debt? Ballmer Says Unequivocal ‘No’ to New Yahoo Deal < http://www.osnews.com/story/20502/Ballmer_S… >. Also a scary thought: Ballmer or Bezos as Obama CTO? < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Bal… > Nov 07 11:35
schestowitz Palin didn’t know Africa is a continent, McCain aides say < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11… > Nov 07 11:50
schestowitz Why is the FFBI getting involved in this < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/06/amd_… >, as if Intel chips contain some NSA-’friendly’ bits? Nov 07 12:00
schestowitz Layoffs Strike Again < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… > Nov 07 12:54
schestowitz Novell ads in eWeek: “ Nov 07 13:33
schestowitz Mixed Source Virtualization Nov 07 13:33
schestowitz Microsoft and Novell: Driving data center agility through mixed source virtualization Nov 07 13:33
schestowitz Until recently, the burden of interoperability has rested on the shoulders of the IT professional. With the collaboration between Microsoft and Novell, however, this is no longer the case. Join us on Oct. 29 as experts from Microsoft and Novell share insights into how mixed-source virtualization can help improve operational efficiency, and what work is being done to help manage these environments. Register Now!” Nov 07 13:33
schestowitz IDC advertising a product as ‘article’ and uses FUD: “SMobile argues that because Android is open source, it will attract more hackers who will be able to look for holes they can exploit to gather user data for malicious purposes.” < http://www.linuxworld.com.au/ind… > IDC status >> gutter Nov 07 13:48
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trmanco Hi Nov 07 14:00
schestowitz Hey, trmanco, what’s up? Nov 07 14:01
trmanco Nothing much, reading the news :-P Nov 07 14:01
schestowitz Big news from Creative: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux… http://www.phoronix.com/sc… Nov 07 14:01
trmanco cool Nov 07 14:02
trmanco to bad I don’t have anything from creative Nov 07 14:02
trmanco too late into the game IMO Nov 07 14:02
schestowitz They got sh*tload of bad reputation for the driver (and like a hundred pages of complaints). Now they’ll have it put in the kernel, which means that more hardware will work with Linux out of the box. Nov 07 14:03
trmanco yes that is great for the kernel Nov 07 14:04
schestowitz But no, don’t buy Creaive. The damage was done. Nov 07 14:05
schestowitz Creative climbs down over home brew Vista drivers : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/04… Nov 07 14:05
schestowitz Creative Labs : Product Boards : Sound Blaster : Message to Daniel_K : http://forums.creative.com/creativelab… Nov 07 14:05
schestowitz Haha. Why Vista sounds worse < http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/200… >; Audio in Linux is awesome < http://darkness.codefu.org/wordp… > Nov 07 14:06
Eruaran hello Nov 07 14:08
Eruaran “Man gets printer working with Vista” Nov 07 14:08
Eruaran I came across some uber retardation with a Vista system today Nov 07 14:09
Eruaran I customer doesn’t just want to use his high end hardware for work, he wants games as well Nov 07 14:09
Eruaran But, he cant play any on Vista Nov 07 14:09
Eruaran Its a 64bit system Nov 07 14:10
Eruaran Or, some of it is Nov 07 14:10
Eruaran Vista 64bit makes two program folders for 32 and 64 bit stuff Nov 07 14:10
Eruaran And, some of its own stuff isn’t 64bit Nov 07 14:10
Eruaran And… Nov 07 14:11
schestowitz Of course. Nov 07 14:11
schestowitz Vista was never 64-bit ready Nov 07 14:11
schestowitz hardly for server either, AFAIK Nov 07 14:11
Eruaran He can’t play games… on Windows… it reboots every time he starts up one Nov 07 14:11
schestowitz It’s foolish to tell Windows users to go 64-bit. Nov 07 14:11
Eruaran I had a look at it Nov 07 14:11
schestowitz “Valued customers” bug Neat Receipts over Vista support  : http://www.theinquirer.net/defa… Nov 07 14:12
schestowitz Next Release of OneCare Won’t Support Vista x64 : http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content… Nov 07 14:12
Eruaran There are actually two versions of the “ribbon” screensaver, a 32bit one and a 64bit one Nov 07 14:12
Eruaran Could it be more bizarre Nov 07 14:12
schestowitz Microsoft Vista 64 bit is no go in 2007 : http://www.theinquirer.net/default.asp… Nov 07 14:12
Eruaran when he tries to start a game Nov 07 14:12
schestowitz Related to your problem: Windows XP 64 is crap and things break and printers dont work and quickbooks doesnt work the list goes on http://www.pintmaster.com/2006121… Nov 07 14:12
Eruaran inexplicably the 32bit ribbon screensaver attempts to start Nov 07 14:13
Eruaran and Nov 07 14:13
Eruaran crashes the system Nov 07 14:13
schestowitz Support for Microsoft Windows XP x64 Not Worth Anything http://roacm.blogspot.com Nov 07 14:13
schestowitz Yes, crashes too.. Nov 07 14:13
schestowitz Vista users get the 64-bit blues : http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/V… Nov 07 14:13
Eruaran It would have to be one of the mose bizarre things I have ever seen… Even for Windows Nov 07 14:13
schestowitz Vista7 will Fix –Everything– nothing. Nov 07 14:14
schestowitz They already chose a wallpaper for it though. Very neat! Nov 07 14:14
Eruaran yeah Nov 07 14:14
Eruaran that divine light thing Nov 07 14:15
schestowitz Better than the Leopard purple. Off choice from Apple. Nov 07 14:15
schestowitz *Odd Nov 07 14:15
Eruaran Microsoft with the messianic complex… kind of like Michael Jackson Nov 07 14:15
MinceR and like steve jobs. Nov 07 14:16
Eruaran yes Nov 07 14:16
Eruaran heh Nov 07 14:16
Eruaran I read Ballmers comments about Google Nov 07 14:17
Eruaran And commented on El Reg Nov 07 14:17
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Eruaran Ballmer is a dinosaur Nov 07 14:18
Eruaran He doesn’t understand any strategy that doesn’t sound like, “Will this sell more copies of Windows ?” Nov 07 14:18
schestowitz Everyone is sacking staff and meanwhile Red Hat is expanding :-) http://www.cpilive.net/v3/inside.aspx?scr=n&amp… Nov 07 14:19
Eruaran “He who knows neither self nor enemy will fail in every battle” – Sun Tzu Nov 07 14:20
_doug SCO resurecting Caldera .. Nov 07 14:20
_doug http://www.groklaw.net/article… Nov 07 14:20
trmanco did the trolls on usenet get any weird update on their Windummy machines or are they only doing a routine clean up Nov 07 14:20
_doug trmanco: weird update ? Nov 07 14:22
trmanco yes Nov 07 14:23
trmanco did I misspell it? Nov 07 14:23
_doug no, just wondering what are you refering to ? Nov 07 14:23
trmanco those security updates from MS Nov 07 14:24
trmanco last week or so Nov 07 14:24
_doug ahhh … Nov 07 14:24
schestowitz Vista seems to be hurting Dell…  Dell struggles to cut costs < http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/busines… > Nov 07 14:25
_doug YouTube to stream full major motion pictures? Nov 07 14:25
_doug http://www.afterdawn.com/news/ar… Nov 07 14:25
schestowitz _doug: Anonymous writes: “They’re going to market a new Linux distro unified with UNIX! They could call it, hmm… Caldera Linux!” Nov 07 14:25
_doug The future of the Internet, television + adverts … Nov 07 14:25
schestowitz _doug: there’s a joke in USENET that the trolls walked away because they got a bad patch and can’t reboot. Nov 07 14:26
_doug ahh soo .. has it been quite ? Nov 07 14:26
schestowitz Relatively, for sure. Nov 07 14:26
schestowitz The ugly ones are gone. Nov 07 14:26
Eruaran “In war, numbers are not the issue. It is a question of not attacking too aggressively. Concentrate your strength, assess your enemy, and win the confidence of your men: That is enough.” – Sun Tzu Nov 07 14:26
Eruaran “Rashly underestimate your enemy, and you will surely be taken captive.” – Sun Tzu Nov 07 14:27
_doug Google Groups seem to be borked .. Nov 07 14:28
_doug I stand corrected . .the search function doesn’t seem to be working .. like I know the article is there .. but search can’t find it … Nov 07 14:29
_doug BBC and iPlayer’s future .. Nov 07 14:31
_doug http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/200… Nov 07 14:31
Eruaran I don’t think Huggers would know a Linux user if he walked through the NYSE. Nov 07 14:40
schestowitz Obama, McCain campaigns’ computers hacked for policy data < http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/06/campaig… > Nov 07 15:00
schestowitz Erik Huggers is a Microsoft employee.. was… is… same thing.. cronyism in MSBBC. Nov 07 15:00
schestowitz I see that Huggers throws that old 1% market share FUD. Nov 07 15:03
Eruaran It doesn’t even make sense Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz The BBC one said that only 600 people (in the UK?) use Linux. Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz Way to go, BBC. That’s informing the public… that’s what it’s all about… at their expense too (tax money) Nov 07 15:06
twitter good morning, catching up. Nov 07 15:35
twitter Liked the links today. Nov 07 15:35
schestowitz Joe gets slapped. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php… Nov 07 15:35
schestowitz Someone has volunteered to create indexes for BN. Initial pages: http://boycottnovell.com/odf-resources-part/ Nov 07 15:37
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schestowitz This is absolutely brilliant. Bless him for this! It’s just as I imagined it would be in order to serve as an index. We get about 20,000 pageviews a day, so this would give people a starting point (they tend to read just the latest bits because it’s hard to locate the old stuff). Nov 07 15:38
schestowitz I’ll need to credit thie guy publicly but he wants no attribution (are people afraid of something?). In case people want post excerpts, put the headline in the search box, as such: http://boycottnovell.com/index.php?s=… . Then you see the summary, which is otherwise invisible. Nov 07 15:39
twitter People should be afraid. Nov 07 15:40
twitter I’m glad people are willing to help. Nov 07 15:40
schestowitz One reader wrote: “About 3 and 4 years  ago there were a few articles about how ODF had great potential now just like the other open document format that brought us the web and e-commerce did back in 1994 or so.” Hee found: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/… (OpenDocument could ‘turn the world inside out’ ) Nov 07 15:41
twitter Trolls are still around, but concentrating their effort on blasting their message rather than harassment.  All M$ spin of course. Nov 07 15:41
schestowitz “Now we have the potential to explode the world again, to turn everything inside out again, if we get the widespread use across the office desktops of the world, of a common, open, unencumbered, reusable data format, namely OpenDocument. So we could see an explosion over the next decade that is like the Web happening again and that would be fun…” Hm…. I should make an ODF version too. Nov 07 15:41
schestowitz twitter: you’ve been smeared in a couple of threads  in BN (usual stalker) overnight Nov 07 15:42
twitter Ah, nothing changes.  Got links for me? Nov 07 15:42
twitter There are better articles about Vista audio.  Peter Guttman explained Vista audio problems in terms of DRM and that’s the root of all problems. Nov 07 15:43
twitter SPDIF and all XP drivers were thrown away as “untrusted”  System checks things 30 times a second when you do simple things like play a CD.  All of it was designed to fail.  Windows 7 will suffer the same. Nov 07 15:44
twitter When you understand the root cause, it’s easy to make predictions. Nov 07 15:44
schestowitz Here’s the interesting thing. The HTML and PDF versions are over 400KB in size (each). The ODF version is just 80KB. Nov 07 15:45
trmanco save it in .doc or .docx Nov 07 15:46
trmanco 3 times bigger than an odf version Nov 07 15:46
twitter The Darkness article about Linux audio suckage was old and stale.  As long as hardware makers bow to M$, newbies will have audio problems though. Nov 07 15:46
schestowitz .doc has a tendency yo bloat things up for forensics. Nov 07 15:47
schestowitz Microsoft might claim it’s ad hoc stuff to speed up saving/opening. Nov 07 15:47
twitter windows meta file, spawn of the devil. Nov 07 15:47
trmanco yes indeed Nov 07 15:47
*schestowitz distracted (on phone while here) Nov 07 15:48
twitter Oh, have some links to the smears.  I like to follow them up. Nov 07 15:49
schestowitz Once thought safe, WPA Wi-Fi encryption is cracked  < http://www.itworld.com/security/57285/… > Nov 07 15:49
schestowitz twitter: he’s doing Samba next. Nov 07 15:50
twitter WPA cracks, that passed by Slashdot a couple of weeks ago.  Supposedly they got versions 1 and 2. Nov 07 15:51
twitter WPA sucked and was a distraction from real, end to end security. Nov 07 15:52
twitter I hope WPA dies a swift and complete death so that wifi is easy to use again. Nov 07 15:53
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_doug Estimating the Value of Linux .. Nov 07 16:02
_doug http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/press/2008/1… Nov 07 16:02
schestowitz At least they didn’t hire shills this time around (unlike last year). Nov 07 16:03
_doug “The Linux Foundation  .. finds that it would take approximately $10.8 billion to build the Linux community distribution Fedora 9 in today’s dollars” Nov 07 16:03
_doug Acacia patents interactive TV .. Nov 07 16:06
schestowitz They hired at least one person who works on this (and Linux Development Network), then said.. “hey, get some figures thrown together, make pretty charts and produce a ‘white’ paper for us to promote with…” Nov 07 16:06
_doug http://www.eetindia.co.in/ART_880038907… Nov 07 16:06
schestowitz Acacia patents Troll-suicide. Now *that’s* INNOVA~1. Nov 07 16:06
_doug Acacia patents credit card fraud protection .. Nov 07 16:07
_doug http://www.allbusiness.com/retail/retailers-electr… Nov 07 16:07
schestowitz Tell Obama to send Acacia to Alcatraz. They got room… http://www.linuxinsider.com/rssto… Nov 07 16:07
schestowitz Myhrvold can cook for them. Nov 07 16:07
schestowitz :-) Nov 07 16:08
_doug Acacia Research licenses interactive television from Thomson SA .. Nov 07 16:08
_doug http://ipbiz.blogspot.com/200… Nov 07 16:08
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twitter I’m glad to see Red Hat expanding.  There’s opportunity in M$’s failure. Nov 07 16:29
twitter I had a nice look at that Black Tower article, but I’m still not interested in Gnome. Nov 07 16:30
twitter One interesting thing I noticed in the link about alternate desktop environments was XFCE’s modularity.  The file manager thunar looked particularly interesting, but still worlds away from Konqueror. Nov 07 16:32
schestowitz http://www.europarl.europa… Nov 07 16:34
twitter I’m probably going to install it on my 233 MHz laptop, which I’m using to look at Gnome stuff. Nov 07 16:34
schestowitz Friend: “I tried to find out the membership of the PETI committee to see who my  rep is, but that info is blocked” Nov 07 16:34
schestowitz I wrote about PETI this morning: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/07/… Also see: http://groups.google.com/group/comp… Nov 07 16:34
twitter hmmm Nov 07 16:34
twitter LOL, I’m your “attack poodle”.  That makes me the attack dog’s attack dog as the M$ people like to spin it.  That puts me in good company, they have described all free software advocates and the FSF itself that way. Nov 07 16:39
schestowitz Microsoft still abuses YHOO share price… http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource… Nov 07 16:40
schestowitz twitter: they try to embarrass and belittle people. Nov 07 16:41
twitter not working Nov 07 16:41
schestowitz In USENET, if someone supports me, they label him/her “lapdog” many times. Nov 07 16:41
schestowitz Another pattern is stirring up of inner conflict. Nov 07 16:42
schestowitz If there is a change in opinion, they’ll accentuate this and try to cause ‘civil wars; Nov 07 16:42
schestowitz In the past, they even started new accounts with female names to try to create unnecessary tensions. Nov 07 16:42
schestowitz Like saying “I agree with X, but Y is just a zealot” (both applied to advocates) Nov 07 16:43
twitter yep.  the waste of resources is amazing. Nov 07 16:43
schestowitz Microsoft loves civil wars. it talks about this in the Slog Doc. Nov 07 16:43
twitter the goal is all the same, disrupt the “enemy” (everyone in the world that’s not M$) Nov 07 16:43
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/20… Nov 07 16:45
schestowitz lternative headline for: http://www.itworld.com/node/57389 “Yahoo! Poisons itself” or “Microsoft executives moves to a different department” Nov 07 16:46
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schestowitz Microsoft employees/bloggers at ZDNET spotted hyping up MSFT in the press. Nov 07 16:50
twitter They have been told to do that.  It really discredits both M$ and ZDNet. Nov 07 16:51
twitter It’s one thing when employees with technical knowledge step in to make corrections.  M$ people are obviously just cutting and pasting from talking points. Nov 07 16:52
schestowitz Those who make a living from Microsoft go out of their way to Freeze the Makret(C), e.g. http://www.techflash.com/microsof… Nov 07 16:53
schestowitz Earlier on I found a reader of BN leaving a comment in a site, calling it “Vista 7″ Nov 07 16:54
twitter The PC market has been “frozen” since 1998.  Their retail channel is just about shot. Nov 07 16:54
twitter Without that, the world is open to change.  Those who want to survive will be moving with that change quickly. Nov 07 16:55
twitter The edges of their support network, mom and pop stores, have taken the first, hardest and longest beating. Nov 07 16:55
schestowitz I need a list with names of people who received bribes from Microsoft. Nov 07 16:56
schestowitz I can’t find the list of those who attended the secret meeting and got Vista 7 laptops Nov 07 16:56
twitter You never will, I’m afraid. Nov 07 16:56
schestowitz I have not a single name yet Nov 07 16:56
twitter You can get a few by looking at who brags about having attended the meeting. Nov 07 16:57
twitter Kennedy said they all had to pay to be there and all at least got a 160GB drive with software. Nov 07 16:58
twitter Other gifts would be harder to track down. Nov 07 16:58
_doug The only reason Vista 7 was announced was to freeze any upgrades to an Open Source desktop .. Nov 07 16:58
schestowitz .nd yet another MSBBC advert: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t… Nov 07 16:58
schestowitz No name on the advert… well, it’s not an article, is it? Nov 07 16:59
_doug vaporeware Nov 07 16:59
schestowitz Maybe Huggers and the cronies push for that type of stuff… non-existent products. Nov 07 16:59
schestowitz twitter: I think I know who gort a laptop Nov 07 16:59
schestowitz Ina Friedshill bragged about the “goods” in some blog post, IIRC. Nov 07 17:00
schestowitz Let me search Nov 07 17:00
_doug “Microsoft Corp. is not interested in making another bid to buy Yahoo Inc. but there could be a partnership on search” Nov 07 17:00
_doug http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/s… Nov 07 17:00
_doug interesting, will MS have to report theselves to the DOJ ? Nov 07 17:00
_doug Microsoft luring Verizon away from Google .. Nov 07 17:01
_doug http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose… Nov 07 17:01
twitter Sure, Vista 7 is like XP was to ME and W2K.  XP was also huge flop, Vista was worse.  All along M$ has had to squeeze customers harder and harder to keep the money rolling in.  More for less. Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz BTW, one of the ‘analysts’ from Redmond got a free Vista laptop from Microsoft Nov 07 17:02
twitter I hope he quickly put free software on it. Nov 07 17:02
schestowitz This guy >> http://www.greenmonk.net/ Nov 07 17:03
schestowitz _doug: DOJ *is* Microsoft. It’s tainted by their people. Don’t ask me. Others say this too. Nov 07 17:04
schestowitz http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterpr… http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/windo… Nov 07 17:05
twitter OMG, that vista crashes graph from WinHEC is priceless.  It’s basically a flat line, indicating that nothing has changed. Nov 07 17:05
schestowitz I can’t find the names of the weasels who picketed the $2000 gift and said nothing. Nov 07 17:05
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-1080… ( Microsoft delivers the goods at PDC 2008 ) Nov 07 17:06
schestowitz “Here’s the 160GB Western Digital portable hard drive and a pre-beta copy of Windows 7 that attendees of PDC 2008 received on Tuesday.” Nov 07 17:07
schestowitz So Microsoft gave all attendees gifts. Nov 07 17:07
twitter complete with known exploit from “critical” flaws. Nov 07 17:07
schestowitz Watch this image from the article: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/2008102… Nov 07 17:08
schestowitz Vista 7 looks just like Vista. Nov 07 17:08
schestowitz “”It looks like a re-packaged Vista” with “a little bit of eye candy,” said Daniel McGloin, a software engineer at Intuit.” Nov 07 17:08
schestowitz “Keeping the underlying code similar means fewer incompatibility issues with apps and drivers, but “is it compelling to the end user? I don’t know,” he said.” Nov 07 17:09
twitter Kennedy found out that Vista 7 had new incompatibilities anyway.  ha ha. Nov 07 17:09
twitter they are also shifting their focus to Hailstone 2, aka Azure, which has been described as “iron clad” lockin for vendors. Nov 07 17:10
schestowitz Free speech? Malaysia blogger’s joy at release < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p… > Nov 07 17:12
schestowitz twitter: office live and azure are not new! Nov 07 17:12
schestowitz Neither is Vista 7 Nov 07 17:12
schestowitz It’s amazing how everything in the conference was rebraning of products. of coure, bribed  reporters (some of them) fail to call it! Nov 07 17:13
twitter Yeah, but Vista 7 is pushing even simple things like paint into the Hailstorm. Nov 07 17:13
twitter According to Kennedy, users will have to download their mail client, movie editor, paint program, etc, etc. Nov 07 17:14
schestowitz Office Live … existed in 2006, AKAIK…. Azure? Just another ‘roadmap’ for a cloud that existed _FOR YEARS_. Windows 7? Vista with a name theme and name. W0W. Nov 07 17:14
schestowitz twitter: well, pay-per-app. Another /revenue/ ‘idea’… Nov 07 17:15
schestowitz Or…. just get Free software… or a Blu-Ray DVD of Debian 5.0 with 20+ GB of software readily available. Nov 07 17:15
twitter It’s the same old model, using the web.  Give the user Works and expect them to buy Office, but never a competitor’s product because their work would be lost. Nov 07 17:16
twitter The problem is that they have destroyed their retail chain. Nov 07 17:16
twitter They can hype all of this shit to they sky but retailers are going to be very cautious. Nov 07 17:16
schestowitz 2 people have requested a list of bribed bloggers and all… I’ll do a post that’s a plea for info. Nov 07 17:17
twitter With Vista, they made almost everyone in the world aware but no one wanted it.  It was something ridiculous like 90% knew about Vista, 12% wanted it.  The want it number fell from there. Nov 07 17:18
twitter Good luck getting the list together.  I’ll keep my eyes open, but I’m not likely to come across it. Nov 07 17:18
twitter Vista 7 is going to be much the same.  No one wants a new computer and even fewer want the nightmare of an upgrade. Nov 07 17:19
schestowitz twitter: search for clues in Google. Nov 07 17:20
schestowitz The “get the goods” post was tattooed in my mind cause I saw it the other day… before Kennedy spilled the beans. Microsoft did more harm than good by blacklisting him. Nov 07 17:21
schestowitz Also: it’s possible to leave a comment in Kennedy’s blog asking if he can disclose names. Nov 07 17:21
schestowitz “Microsoft (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd will invest RM300mil in Malaysia over the next three years in a programme likely to give a boost to the local software technology scene, managing director Yasmin Mahmood said.” http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story… Nov 07 17:23
schestowitz Bastards. Nov 07 17:23
schestowitz Malaysia is moving to ODF and OpenOffice.org, so they ‘pull a Korea’ Nov 07 17:23
schestowitz No, no… I’m wrong… it’s all just goodwill. Nov 07 17:23
twitter bbl Nov 07 17:24
schestowitz http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/… Nov 07 17:25
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schestowitz Microsoft to use a portion of KDE (ish)??? Microsoft may adopt WebKit, won’t stop IE development < http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/1… > Nov 07 17:31
schestowitz No traces of laptop bribed in these 2 posts… hm…. http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/ar… http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081030-wind… Nov 07 17:36
schestowitz Microsoft sued for patent violation: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/artic…   http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizch… Nov 07 17:39
schestowitz Time Warner CEO: Still looking at potential AOL deals < http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/T… > Nov 07 17:46
schestowitz Novell/Meeks: “This is a smartish move by Microsoft. It will make, thanks to Miguel’s prescience, MS Office available on the GNU/Linux desktop. However it will cost Microsoft a fortune in server hardware and electricity, and there are formidable problems around metering and managing the live service, particularly against a leaner, simpler free (beer) rival in Google.” http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/20… Nov 07 17:58
schestowitz http://diveintomark.org/archive… Nov 07 18:03
schestowitz America sacks 240,000 in October < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/07… > Nov 07 18:06
schestowitz Lenovo profits disappear < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/20… > Nov 07 18:07
schestowitz Earlier today Gavin Clarke did some Microsoft praising. he also does a lot of the ‘Microsoft open source’ chanting. Now he’s having lunch with Microsofties.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/… Nov 07 18:12
schestowitz http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diar… “But indeed, he [Shuttleowrth] can write again «I’m a fan of regulated capitalism», because, without capitalism, he couldn’t possibly have made those big buck, could he?” Nov 07 18:18
schestowitz http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti… “More than half of town halls admit using anti-terror laws to spy on families suspected of putting their rubbish out on the wrong day.” Nov 07 18:44
trmanco schestowitz, how are M% shares? Nov 07 18:56
schestowitz Bad. Nov 07 18:56
schestowitz Was almost below $20 yesterday, but the market is up today. Nov 07 18:57
trmanco any links? Nov 07 18:57
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schestowitz Even bribing criminals are hurt: Otellini says the recession’s gonna hurt < http://www.theinquirer.net/g… > Nov 07 18:58
schestowitz trmanco: no link to that (financial news). Nov 07 18:58
trmanco ok Nov 07 18:58
trmanco thanks Nov 07 18:58
schestowitz ‘The recession wil get worse, he warned. “This is the deepest one I’ve seen in my lifetime. All the smart people that I talk to tell us the US is in for a two-to-three quarter recession,” he said. “We’ll see much larger unemployment a year from now.”’ Nov 07 18:59
schestowitz Maybe he can destroy more charities and bribe more shops (then destroy his E-mails, i.e. evidence, again) to make a buck for a while.. Nov 07 19:00
trmanco new wine dev version available Nov 07 19:02
trmanco http://www.winehq.org/?announce=1.1.8 Nov 07 19:05
schestowitz .Teenager found dead after dispute with parents over Xbox < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/… >; Baby killed with video game controller < http://blog.beliefnet.com/reforme… >; http://slated.org/microsoft_kills_baby (Microsoft Xbox Kills Baby) Nov 07 19:07
trmanco Linux kernel 2.6.27.5 released Nov 07 19:08
schestowitz URL? Nov 07 19:08
trmanco looking for it Nov 07 19:10
schestowitz Novell/MS puppet suffers: “CHINA’S LENOVO reported a 78 drop in profit for its second fiscal quarter of 2008 today, compared with Q2 last year.” < http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime… > Nov 07 19:10
schestowitz Thanks, trmanco. Nov 07 19:10
trmanco I found the change log but not yet the official email http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/ke… Nov 07 19:10
schestowitz http://www.linux.org/news/2008/11/04/0001.html Nov 07 19:10
schestowitz ? Nov 07 19:10
trmanco nop Nov 07 19:11
trmanco ginal release Nov 07 19:11
trmanco final* Nov 07 19:11
schestowitz 2.6.28 Nov 07 19:11
trmanco saw it on gmane Nov 07 19:11
schestowitz I need to find out what Microsoft is up to in Provo. Nov 07 19:11
schestowitz Some guy says his friends from Novell are involved with Vista 7, but I doubt it. Nov 07 19:12
schestowitz Microsoft also opened some branch or expanded in Provo a few months ago. This was done quietly. Nov 07 19:12
schestowitz I DON”T think this has substance, but THEY COULD be experimenting with Linux, as they did with Singularity (then shelved it away for suckage). Nov 07 19:13
schestowitz The very existence of Project Singularity indicates that they considered trashing Windows. Nov 07 19:13
schestowitz Internal memos from some months ago indicated similar things. Nov 07 19:13
schestowitz Singulairity was later labeled “just research’ and I can’t imagine that they want to go head-to-head with kernels vs. OS X (Darwin) and Linux. Nov 07 19:14
schestowitz And then there’s this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10085467-16.html http://www.electronista.com/articles/0… Nov 07 19:14
MinceR the osx kernel is overrated Nov 07 19:15
schestowitz How would KDe devs feel if Microsoft actually used their code… their ‘cancer’? Vista 7 is already ‘theft’ of KDE4 ideas. Nov 07 19:15
schestowitz MinceR: I wasn’t arguing otherwise. Nov 07 19:15
schestowitz But the UNIX philosophy of BSD is the result of decades of research, trial and error, etc. Nov 07 19:15
MinceR i thought the unix philosophy of bsd was the result of not wanting to pay at&t for unix Nov 07 19:16
schestowitz On the other hand, WIndows ‘kernel’ (not even modular a system) is a pile of BillG brainfart goo. Nov 07 19:16
schestowitz Windows was not even designed for the network!!! Nov 07 19:16
MinceR windows wasn’t designed Nov 07 19:16
MinceR it’s random stolen code and ideas cemented together with vomit Nov 07 19:17
schestowitz That’s one of the reasons it scales badly, it crashes, it ‘borrows’ BSD code, and it is not secure (no good handling of privileges) Nov 07 19:17
trmanco schestowitz, found it Nov 07 19:21
trmanco http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linu… Nov 07 19:21
trmanco http://permalink.gmane.org/gm… Nov 07 19:21
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trmanco http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/open-s… Nov 07 19:55
*schestowitz write letter to the Vole Nov 07 19:58
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trmanco http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS… Nov 07 20:04
schestowitz Thanks, I’ll do a post about it. Nov 07 20:07
schestowitz Just posted: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/… Nov 07 20:07
trmanco cool Nov 07 20:09
trmanco contacting individuals :-P, have you thought of the next person to contact? Nov 07 20:09
schestowitz Yes, formal complaint. Nov 07 20:09
schestowitz Just got this E-mail. :-) “Your work is very valuable and points to the excesses of unethical and criminal behavior that people have come to expect as the norm. That can’t be left unsaid and because of general apathy screwed values have grown out of proportion.” Nov 07 20:10
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schestowitz trmanco: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/07… Nov 07 20:36
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trmanco schestowitz, nice :-) Nov 07 20:47
*libervisco_ is now known as libervisco Nov 07 21:15
twitter ha ha.  M$ may have noticed that I made about half of my sock puppets with M$ Live email addresses. Nov 07 21:19
twitter As soon as it was obvious they were watching my traffic and knew anyway, I started doing that.  Yes, I checked the “email responses” box so that BillG could bear the cost of storing flames as well as the cost of writing them. Nov 07 21:20
twitter I also used my real name and email address for each, so nothing was under the table. Nov 07 21:21
twitter I’m sorry that M$ will no longer be offering me this valuable service to me. Nov 07 21:21
twitter I can’t wait for them to finally nerf my wife off Hotmail, so she can go tell all her mommy blog friends. Nov 07 21:23
twitter That will drive them all to Google. Nov 07 21:24
schestowitz I notice that DesktopLinux has an update Nov 07 21:24
schestowitz He managed to make this work. I don’t know if others still have the same issue. I bet Microsoft just wasn’t honouring standards (nor testing with #1 rival O/S). Nov 07 21:25
schestowitz Post about Vista 7 out in a minute… Nov 07 21:25
twitter The wife has not said anything yet. Nov 07 21:26
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/07/… Nov 07 21:29
twitter ah, I see, it was a browser user agent setting.  Mepis uses Firefox, she won’t see the problem. Nov 07 21:29
twitter looking at Vista 7 bribes…. Nov 07 21:29
twitter :) Nov 07 21:33
trmanco http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS… Nov 07 21:45
trmanco Linux boots in 2.97 seconds Nov 07 21:45
schestowitz It could do better. Nov 07 21:50
trmanco schestowitz, 1 second :-P Nov 07 21:58
twitter It does better waking up on my Zaurus but not even my ancient Handspring visor can boot that fast.  Wake up on palmtops is shorter than a second. Nov 07 21:59
twitter Here’s a terrible story about someone who clearly lost their mind.  http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/… Nov 07 22:00
twitter Ha ha, M$ Innovates the Apple App Store http://www.computerworld.com/action/article… Nov 07 22:02
twitter Sweaty B says no to webkit too. Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz Says no? Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz “Ballmer: Microsoft working on App Store-like software distribution” ……… has Microsoft patented this yet? Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz Like they patented the iPod? As in ‘invented’ portable music player (duh!) but never implemented anything? Nov 07 22:05
schestowitz Problem confirmed: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/07/not-… Nov 07 22:07
twitter I think they are using Iceweasel too. Nov 07 22:13
twitter M$ is crazy stupid for using a useragent block on something that works otherwise. Nov 07 22:14
schestowitz Does it matter? Microsoft needs to deliver standard code, not sniff headers. Nov 07 22:14
twitter Let’s see how far it goes. Nov 07 22:14
schestowitz You beat me to it. Nov 07 22:14
twitter :) Nov 07 22:14
twitter bbl Nov 07 22:14
twitter Ah, before I go, the point seems to be division again.  Because only half of distros will have this problem, there will be confusion and a chance to make arguments between the fans. Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz Microsoft: everyone should just use the same Nov 07 22:16
twitter Right. Nov 07 22:16
schestowitz Solving problem recipe: Windows+IE+x86 in the stack. Who da f needs choice, as long as Wintel gets the stash? Nov 07 22:16
PetoKraus though Core i7 is nice Nov 07 22:17
PetoKraus i must admit Nov 07 22:17
PetoKraus i hope fusion will deliver Nov 07 22:17
PetoKraus good gpu performance, that is. Nov 07 22:17
twitter Oh yeah, they will continue to recommend at least IE through Wine or Winblows though VMware, for “balanced” people.  Anything to keep people using their crap. Nov 07 22:18
twitter now, I’ll go do a few things. Nov 07 22:18
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schestowitz PetoKraus: but every time you buy Intel, a kitten dies. :-( :-( Nov 07 22:20
PetoKraus yup Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u… Nov 07 22:31
schestowitz Microsoft ditches old Hotmail design; users gripe (NOT just Linux users) <http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10083890-75…. > Nov 07 22:49
schestowitz Ina Friedshill’s obligatory ad placements for Microsoft at CNET: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10083711-75… Nov 07 22:50
schestowitz Obama is already appointing shillbyists (lobbyists) to take position in govt. “Rivera is not currently registered as a lobbyist, but according to the Center for Responsive Politics, he lobbied for the Catholic Television Network in 2001.” <http://news.cnet.com/8301-13739_3-1008… >. Commercial lobbying needs to be illegalised. Nov 07 22:52
schestowitz Funny how Obama raved about no lobbyists fund his campaign, unlike McCain’s Nov 07 22:52
schestowitz FCC = drone army. “According to the Center for Responsive Politics, more than 100 former FCC employees have also worked in the private sector. At least 50 percent of them have lobbied on issues related to telecom, communications, and broadcast at some point in their careers.” Nov 07 22:53
schestowitz if you can’t earn customers, buy them: Microsoft touts 25 percent eBay Cashback rebate < http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10086103-7… > Nov 07 22:59
schestowitz It now appears as though Vista 7 ‘boasts’ tracking of the users. Good for targeted ads but also good for the police (surveillance, on top of cellphones) Nov 07 23:00
schestowitz The MSBBC promotes Windows/Microsoft and easts its own poison now: Windows zombies. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/… ( BBC suffers DDOS attack ) Nov 07 23:30
schestowitz Another article that doesn’t get it (Microsoft and lockin): Microsoft Signs Asian Start-ups on to BizSpark < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153470/.html?tk=rss_news > Nov 07 23:41
schestowitz http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/45726%2C… Nov 07 23:50
schestowitz Disturbing too: http://www.informationclearinghou… Nov 07 23:52
schestowitz http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-dec.html#07%… “Naomi Klein: the bank bailout  will encourage risky bank practices that will get the bankers bailouts over and over. It should be canceled.” Nov 07 23:56
schestowitz The Bush gang’s parting gift: a final, frantic looting of public wealth < http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment… > Nov 07 23:56
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