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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 1st, 2008 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:45 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/12… “Top 10 Overall Searches:  1.      Britney Spears” Dec 01 17:50
schestowitz World’s priority: celebs on drugs Dec 01 17:50
kevin__ lol… is it 2000 again? Dec 01 17:50
schestowitz yes Dec 01 17:50
schestowitz I thought pr0n woul be up on top Dec 01 17:51
twitter Britney Spears is porn. Dec 01 17:51
twitter It’s official now, US has been in recession since Dec 2007.  http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/01/news/econo… Dec 01 17:52
twitter Duh. Dec 01 17:52
schestowitz ‘Official’? Dec 01 17:53
schestowitz Why? Rich person said so? Dec 01 17:53
twitter Admitted by Bush administration offices Dec 01 17:53
schestowitz It’s sickening how the media treats rich and famous people as though they know better than intellectuals about some field. Dec 01 17:53
kevin__ we’re all supposed to look up to them as superior beings Dec 01 17:54
schestowitz Like… they ask Ballmer and Gates about the economy… well, one if a nutter the other is a lawyer… why not ask some profs at Harvard? It makes no ‘headline with big name’? Dec 01 17:54
twitter It was the National Bureau of Economic Research, but yeah, fawning over rich fucks is out of control. Dec 01 17:54
schestowitz BTW Greespan admitted ‘mistakes’ Dec 01 17:54
schestowitz *Green Dec 01 17:54
schestowitz MSVVC latches onto partner, MS: “IT firm Alchemy Plus and a wing of software giant Microsoft are involved in the £20m “cloud computing” project, earmarked for the city harbour.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands… Dec 01 17:56
schestowitz Where was MSBBC when  made it big?? Dec 01 17:56
schestowitz No PR recommendation for article? Dec 01 17:57
twitter CNN now also covers ignored warnings from 2006, http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/01/news/ig… Dec 01 17:58
schestowitz What about 2000? Dec 01 17:58
kevin__ some industries just should not be tied together… like a music store and an operating system vendor, or a news company and operating system vendor :) Dec 01 17:58
twitter or 1990? Dec 01 17:58
twitter Don’t know.  CNN is not a reliable source of information. Dec 01 17:58
schestowitz “Shut up, you l00n, it’s xmas time.. gotta spend… Greenspan says it’s hey OK” Dec 01 17:59
twitter I pointed to the above a exceptions to the rule. Dec 01 17:59
schestowitz I was surprised to find CNN listed among Fox as tosh news. Dec 01 17:59
kevin__ i heard about someone getting trampled on friday Dec 01 17:59
schestowitz I used to think of the CNN more highly Dec 01 17:59
schestowitz Even the BBC is garbage now. Dec 01 17:59
kevin__ they developed the dirac codec, but i haven’t played with it in about a year Dec 01 18:00
schestowitz I have CNN>>Technology in my RSS feeds. It’s a lot of fluffy stuff that appeals to a general audience and the wording is also suitably shallow. Dec 01 18:00
schestowitz Don’t expect CNN to do an article about DRM and ACTA Dec 01 18:00
schestowitz Panda bear and extinction? Well, that’s /drama/ Dec 01 18:01
schestowitz Momma bear and sonny bear lose each other as Big Glacier melt and breaks off… Dec 01 18:01
schestowitz That’s ‘news’… not global warning though… Dec 01 18:01
schestowitz According to the press, global warning is still “undecided” and controversial” (Big Oil pumping in money into research that makes it seem so Dec 01 18:02
kevin__ on the plus side, gas prices went down though Dec 01 18:02
_doug schest: what Open Source apps would you recommend for Windows users ? Dec 01 18:03
twitter “Nova:  Ocean Animal Emergency”  drama about seals getting CT scans in CA where people can’t afford basic medical care.  They noticed problems and tied it to run off but larger issues slid under the radar. Dec 01 18:03
schestowitz Radiation hazard in Glasgow: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgo… Dec 01 18:03
twitter Debian is what I recommend for Windows users. Dec 01 18:03
schestowitz _doug: Firefox, OOo, I guess.. Dec 01 18:04
kevin__ gimp, audacity, openoffice.org, firefox, 7-zip Dec 01 18:04
twitter Debian is a difficult install, but does not take as long to hunt down all of those other individual programs. Dec 01 18:04
kevin__ 7-zip can handle far more formats than windows can Dec 01 18:04
_doug mobiles on the underground .. curses .. that’s the only reason I use it .. to avoid some chav yelling in my ear .. :) Dec 01 18:04
schestowitz :-) Dec 01 18:05
twitter Mepis and Ubuntu are easier installs. Dec 01 18:05
schestowitz Forget about yelling. Dec 01 18:05
schestowitz They’re broadcasting next to you. Dec 01 18:05
schestowitz A renowned cancer doctor warned about use of these things in buses for this reason. Dec 01 18:05
_doug best Open Source apps ? ????? Dec 01 18:06
schestowitz Anyway, now the police has underground surveillance too. :-) Dec 01 18:06
kevin__ i really like audacity and the gimp Dec 01 18:06
kevin__ use them all the time Dec 01 18:06
kevin__ … and ogg vorbis too, so i don’t have to worry about a company taking my music hostage :) Dec 01 18:07
schestowitz I started using <video></video> in BN Dec 01 18:08
twitter cool Dec 01 18:08
schestowitz It triggers validation errors, but.. Dec 01 18:08
PetoKraus is ffx 3.1 out? Dec 01 18:09
PetoKraus or anything which can parse <video> tags and is FOSS? Dec 01 18:09
PetoKraus s/which/that/g Dec 01 18:09
schestowitz “Red Hat to Webcast Results for Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2009 [...] will discuss results of its third quarter fiscal 2009 on Monday, December 22, 2008, beginning at 5:00 p.m. ET.” < http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news… > Dec 01 18:09
kevin__ what about software that can nab flash videos by capturing the raw packets? Dec 01 18:10
schestowitz Same as last year. JIT for Xmas Dec 01 18:10
schestowitz I came back from the Xmas party to see in LinuxToday that Red Hat results were up and the CEO was out Dec 01 18:10
schestowitz That’s one year for James Whitehurst. So far, so good. Dec 01 18:10
kevin__ they developed network manager, which has done a lot of people a lot of good Dec 01 18:11
schestowitz PetoKraus: I make a link to the Ogg too and if <video> is not supported, then it says so and links to the FF3.1 page Dec 01 18:11
schestowitz Example here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/29… Dec 01 18:11
schestowitz Down the middle (see the video). I give 4 options: YouTube, embedded, Ogg, or embedded Ogg Dec 01 18:12
kevin__ how is the quality of theora now that it’s 1.0? Dec 01 18:13
schestowitz Novell’s volunteer ‘marketer’ is at it again: new upload: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g45YkIVF4n0 Dec 01 18:14
schestowitz He wrote a comment in BN the other day (last one here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/07/novel… ) Dec 01 18:14
_doug DivX .. what players support it ? Dec 01 18:15
kevin__ i imagine vlc would Dec 01 18:15
_doug I’ve noticed WMP says codec missing and refuses to fetch it .. unless it’s certified … Dec 01 18:17
_doug VLC will play the media, without complaint .. Dec 01 18:18
schestowitz This too was in the Novell feed: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FuFp4cjnV2A (WTF?) Dec 01 18:18
_doug MArket-locking through the use of secret codecs … Dec 01 18:18
kevin__ wmp also applied copy prevention to your imported music by default :) Dec 01 18:18
schestowitz Silver Lies. Dec 01 18:18
kevin__ looking out for the customer and their ability to transfer their music to another pc as usual :) Dec 01 18:19
schestowitz EU Commission still studies this poisonware…? Dec 01 18:19
*schestowitz adds poisonware to ispell file Dec 01 18:19
schestowitz PJ interview: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/11/t… Dec 01 18:20
schestowitz Wot da fork? Is ACCESS entertaining Windows Mobile now too..? http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor… Dec 01 18:29
MinceR :/ Dec 01 18:32
MinceR well, since palm doesn’t want to buy APL, maybe they have to Dec 01 18:32
schestowitz They ought to consider Android. Dec 01 18:34
schestowitz Others think so too. Dec 01 18:34
schestowitz Android is nice. I saw it in action… it’s not just for phones, either. Dec 01 18:34
kevin__ how many other exclusionary deals has ms done in the past? i know of at least one: the playsforsure one, but it fell through Dec 01 18:34
schestowitz I hope someone forks the heck out of Android to make it truly Google-independent Dec 01 18:35
kevin__ they wanted to say “if your hardware supports playsforsure, you can’t support any other codecs” Dec 01 18:35
schestowitz kevin__: I don’t think it’s exclusive, Dec 01 18:35
schestowitz It mentioned Linux at the bottom Dec 01 18:35
schestowitz It’s just more like Qtokia Dec 01 18:35
twitter and they got it, one way or another.  Ogg playback was pushed back for years. Dec 01 18:35
_doug US antitrust trial against Microsoft unported to Youtube .. Dec 01 18:36
_doug http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?st… Dec 01 18:36
schestowitz Microsoft Jack says that we should let the oggs rest. Right, _doug? Dec 01 18:36
schestowitz _doug: that’s old news Dec 01 18:36
schestowitz I put it in BN last month.Bioth videos Dec 01 18:37
_doug re: OGG: What’s the point of having a codec that no one owns ? Dec 01 18:37
schestowitz Where’s the $$? Dec 01 18:37
schestowitz Bad for the economy Dec 01 18:37
kevin__ no ties to any one playform/device Dec 01 18:37
kevin__ platform* Dec 01 18:37
twitter the point of a free codec is that no one can control it and everyone can use it.  What device maker WANTS to pay licenses they don’t have to? Dec 01 18:38
kevin__ it has nothing to do with illegally distributing content which they would have you believe, because most average people don’t even know what it is Dec 01 18:38
twitter EEE PC uses ogv as a default. Dec 01 18:38
kevin__ many games do too Dec 01 18:38
_doug twitter, kevin .. you just said what the entire tech press don’t seem to get .. Dec 01 18:38
*schestowitz on phone Dec 01 18:38
_doug DRM is nothing about illegal content, is about achieving total lock-in on the desktop .. Dec 01 18:39
schestowitz File-level lock-in Dec 01 18:40
kevin__ they still don’t support it out of the box either (wmp that is) Dec 01 18:41
kevin__ but of course we can just install a filter Dec 01 18:41
MinceR android is evil. Dec 01 18:41
MinceR it’s just another retarded java phone platform. Dec 01 18:41
kevin__ it can’t be as bad as the iphone Dec 01 18:41
MinceR it isn’t that bad Dec 01 18:42
kevin__ they’re like the mafia, taking 30% of people’s revenues when they sell apps, and they can remove your app from the store just because they feel like it Dec 01 18:42
MinceR but i think it’s worse than windows mobile Dec 01 18:42
MinceR wm at least lets you write native code. Dec 01 18:42
schestowitz Mandriva does a conference… http://www.netbookworldsummit.org/ Dec 01 18:54
schestowitz Blech. Microsoft puppets (IDC): “Eszter Morvay, Senior Research Analyst at IDC  (European Personal Computing),” Dec 01 18:54
schestowitz Intel.. “The message is still the same: Are you sure that you want something like this? And if you really are, would you be willing to wait until ‘some time in the future’ (when W7 is out) instead of buying one now (which might be running Linux). ” < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn… > Dec 01 18:57
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l… “The netbook concept is the proof that for most needs (e-mail, web and basic office work) a processor and platform like the Atom is more than enough. Vista has been a failure, GNU/Linux is still widely unknown to many people, and Apple is out of reach ($$$).” Dec 01 18:58
schestowitz “This product has low margins, so we really wish people wouldn’t buy them. And we really wish Asus had never been so dang insistent on . . . *competing* (horrid word) that they started selling them in the first place. We’d rather sell low-end chips than no chips at all so we’ll keep on supplying, but this is all just too terribly awful for words.” Dec 01 18:59
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=20… These are responses to Intel’s whine about price-fixing replaced by a ‘netbook’ monopoly that follows abuse Dec 01 18:59
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008… … The $62,550 machine no one bought Dec 01 19:01
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schestowitz This doesn’t look right: http://www.untangle.com/  This company make a commercial GNU/Linux distro, but watch the icon on the top right. Dec 01 19:20
_doug Re-RouterTM technology ? Dec 01 19:23
schestowitz What about the image? Dec 01 19:24
_doug For WindowsXP ? Dec 01 19:24
schestowitz Yes Dec 01 19:24
schestowitz I didn’t click on it to checl. Dec 01 19:25
schestowitz Just made a quick observation like yours, which is very fruitful sometimes. Dec 01 19:25
schestowitz I’ll write about the IV thing later… helps organise and document notes Dec 01 19:25
_doug “network-wide protection from any Windows XP desktop” Dec 01 19:25
_doug What kind of protection would a desktop provide ? Dec 01 19:26
schestowitz Maybe some client-side controller. Dec 01 19:26
schestowitz The assumption is that if there is legal action we need to be equipped with info to be used, e.g. for firing back. Dec 01 19:26
_doug firewall, application level ? Dec 01 19:27
schestowitz Does Gates have an harassment front other than IV? Is there new evidence about Acacia? Dec 01 19:27
schestowitz Is somewhat watching who joins them? Dec 01 19:28
_doug It’s a tangled web .. Dec 01 19:28
schestowitz Nov 21: http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/v… (Acacia Subsidiary Acquires Rights to Patents for Improved Lighting Technology) Dec 01 19:28
schestowitz Acacia Research To Present At UBS Global Technology And Services Conference < http://www.centredaily.com/business/te… > Dec 01 19:29
Omar87 schestowitz:  You GOTTA write about this: http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=3159 ! :D Dec 01 19:33
Omar87 Microsoft using Apple netbooks and Playstation joystick for their ads! :) Dec 01 19:33
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Omar87 joysticks* Dec 01 19:34
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schestowitz Omar87: I think it’s a stolen post Dec 01 19:35
Omar87 MinceR: You might wanna take a look at this: http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=3159 :) Dec 01 19:35
schestowitz Rami wrote about this. Dec 01 19:35
schestowitz I liked to it. Dec 01 19:35
Omar87 linked* Dec 01 19:35
schestowitz Rami also reads Boycott Novell. Dec 01 19:35
Omar87 Rami? Dec 01 19:35
schestowitz http://hehe2.net/ Dec 01 19:35
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schestowitz “369 Comments” http://hehe2.net/linux-general/microsoft-usi… Dec 01 19:36
Omar87 schestowitz: Maybe it’s not stolen, Roy, maybe it’s just another website writing about the same incident. Dec 01 19:36
schestowitz Maybe. Dec 01 19:37
schestowitz http://hehe2.net/contact/ Dec 01 19:37
schestowitz Oh wait… Dec 01 19:37
schestowitz “This is bad considering it’s currently on the main page of Digg. .. Some Agency has Microsoft Windows Vista promotional ads.. well.. displaying Apple Notebooks and PlayStation joysticks.. Good Job whoever this firm is…” Dec 01 19:37
schestowitz So he basically copied this from Digg, i.e. Rami Dec 01 19:38
twitter A lot of big box stores were using OSX screen shots to sell laptops with Vista a while back. Dec 01 19:39
schestowitz They should use Compiz on high-end PCs with frontal screen shots… Microsoft is still pushing Linux out of stores Dec 01 19:41
schestowitz But it calls it incentives Dec 01 19:42
schestowitz It doesn’t pay to  exclude Linux… it pays (or compensates) in only WIndows is displayed Dec 01 19:42
schestowitz Same thing, different explanations Dec 01 19:42
twitter I hear they gave CompUSA, Circuit City and DSG a lot of “incentives” – good business! Dec 01 19:43
schestowitz Microsoft did not bribe in Nigeria Dec 01 19:43
schestowitz It just paid for \marketing help’ Dec 01 19:43
schestowitz Vista capable fiasco has them further exposed. Dec 01 19:43
-tomaw-[Global Notice] Hi! One of our servers had a short-lived problem causing some users to be disconnected. It should be back online now, sorry for the downtime and thanks for using freenode! Dec 01 19:44
twitter Vista capable is, of course, the tip of the iceberg. Dec 01 19:44
_doug RPX Corporation -> Transmeta -> Intellectual Ventures -> Novafora -> charles river ventures .. Dec 01 19:44
twitter Someone was asking what exclusives M$ had.  The answer is everything.  Drivers, browsers, every kind of program you can think of – they want it exclusively. Dec 01 19:45
schestowitz twitter fp? http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?si… Dec 01 19:45
twitter A company that asks for exclusivity in one thing will ask for it everywhere. Dec 01 19:46
_doug William P. Tai  ..  plans to retire  .. at Charles River Ventures, a venture capital firm .. Dec 01 19:46
twitter yeah, that’s me.  See the related firehose to see. Dec 01 19:46
Omar87 I just wonder, why don’t M$ make their own laptops? Dec 01 19:47
twitter because they can’t? Dec 01 19:47
Omar87 lol :) Dec 01 19:47
schestowitz _doug: RPX? Where? Dec 01 19:47
schestowitz And RPX closes a loop Dec 01 19:48
schestowitz RPX is made out of IV employees Dec 01 19:48
Omar87 twitter: why can’t they? Dec 01 19:48
twitter their business model depends on treating OEMs as “commodity” vendors, all selling Windows. Dec 01 19:48
schestowitz Omar87: see Zune for details. Dec 01 19:49
schestowitz Or XBox360… 67% failure rate… $7 billion in losses Dec 01 19:49
twitter Oh yeah, technical competence and greed are extenuating factors. Dec 01 19:49
Omar87 twitter: and how come they can’t build laptops, while they can build MS Surface? Dec 01 19:49
Omar87 lol :) Dec 01 19:49
schestowitz *LOL* Dec 01 19:50
twitter If M$ ever made a laptop, every brand and OEM would hit the GNU/Linux exit and M$ would fail. Dec 01 19:50
schestowitz Surface… the $15000 ‘PC’ nobody wants… or can fit in the house… or will program for. Dec 01 19:51
schestowitz It was going to be aborted… killed before birth… that’s how bad it is. Dec 01 19:51
twitter I think that happened to Vista one or twice. Dec 01 19:51
schestowitz They must have lost hundreds of millions on this project so far. Dec 01 19:51
schestowitz Once I think. Dec 01 19:51
schestowitz Vista was put in the wastebasket in 2005 Dec 01 19:52
twitter Vista7 will make 2. Dec 01 19:52
schestowitz Allchin came to the office saying that it couldn’t be run… or worked out… Dec 01 19:52
schestowitz It was time to “reboot” (their own word) Dec 01 19:52
schestowitz But DRM stayed Dec 01 19:52
twitter XP drivers were dumped. Dec 01 19:52
schestowitz Now that crow about a new thing. Dec 01 19:52
schestowitz In the news you find mentionings of SP2 for Vista. Dec 01 19:53
twitter All vapor. Dec 01 19:53
schestowitz Vista was a rushed job of dressing up XP Dec 01 19:53
twitter I saw someone complaining that XP had been sabotaged by the latest “updates” Dec 01 19:53
Omar87 schestowitz: ROFLMAO!! :D Dec 01 19:53
schestowitz The investors waited 6 years for a release of the crown ‘jewel’ Dec 01 19:53
twitter I know they slipped XP the Genuine Advantage and black screen of death. Dec 01 19:54
schestowitz Making Vista was like that Mr. Bean scene where he dresses up in the car and brushes his teeth on the way to work (driving)… http://www.mchenrycountyblog.com/upload… Dec 01 19:55
schestowitz twitter: they are permitted to change Windows on /your/ PC… it’s in the EULA. Dec 01 19:56
schestowitz You rent deformable binaries that reside on your chips Dec 01 19:56
_doug cutting edge technologies developed in Microsoft .. Dec 01 19:59
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twitter Sure, but if it’s true it’s all the more reason to go GNU/Linux Dec 01 19:59
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twitter divide by zero _doug? Dec 01 20:00
_doug I guess .. Dec 01 20:00
_doug I’ve seen #6 on Youtube .. Dec 01 20:00
_doug http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw Dec 01 20:03
twitter Sponsored by the letter C ? Dec 01 20:03
twitter Paper documents sheeple behavior in music http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?… Dec 01 20:03
_doug James Bond uses the MS interactive table .. :) Dec 01 20:04
_doug http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny… Dec 01 20:05
twitter Equilibrium is like that, it has no defined state.  A critical reactor has no particular power level, a neutral buoyancy object has no particular elevation.  These systems go where they are pushed. Dec 01 20:05
twitter Broadcast pushes, people follow. Dec 01 20:05
_doug re: #6, the Youtube video demo, used a camera to follow the hands on the underside of the screen. Dec 01 20:06
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twitter http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~johnny/projects/wii/ , ”  software on this page is primarily meant for developers and may not run without proper the development tools installed.”  He mentions C# and other M$ tools but nothing proper. Dec 01 20:09
_doug http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qbMQ7urAvuc Dec 01 20:09
MinceR Omar87: i don’t see the issue — windows runs on crApple PC-s and playstation gamepads use USB :> Dec 01 20:10
_doug Lucid Touch: good idea, now how to sispense with the camera, how about a touch sensitive screen on both sides ? Dec 01 20:11
twitter http://www.wiili.org/index.p… Dec 01 20:11
_doug “The Microsoft and Mitsubishi research departments” Dec 01 20:12
_doug http://www.networkworld.com/commu… Dec 01 20:12
_doug Ah, I figure the INNOV~1 didn’t originate at REDMO~1 Dec 01 20:13
_doug Patrick Baudisch .. started at Xerox PARC .. Dec 01 20:14
twitter artificial vision is not a M$ invention by a long shot. Dec 01 20:14
schestowitz True. Dec 01 20:15
schestowitz It’s simpe geometry Dec 01 20:15
_doug Gerry Chu .. Xerox summer 2005 … Dec 01 20:15
schestowitz Well, stereovision related. Dec 01 20:15
schestowitz Microsoft hired this chap. Dec 01 20:15
schestowitz Some articles were published about the lawyer who dumpster-dived for code noticing the video. Dec 01 20:15
twitter The bottom line of M$ exclusive deals – you won’t see mass produced PC hardware that does anything innovative unless they do it on M$ first. Dec 01 20:16
schestowitz I think the new bit here is the Wiimote as input device Dec 01 20:16
schestowitz As in… given my XYZ coords, then do the routine calculation for position of objects (relative to position) Dec 01 20:16
_doug Woops, someone thinks they innovated it before MS .. Dec 01 20:17
_doug http://www.networkworld.com/communi… Dec 01 20:17
_doug “I presented our backside touch technology to some touch sensor guys at MS research last June. They did not have a clue. It may be a coincidence but we disclosed our target applications very similar to those describe in the video” Dec 01 20:17
schestowitz Microsoft subnet Dec 01 20:17
twitter well, sub millimeter infrared positioning is routine in cancer treatment. Dec 01 20:17
_doug Never !!! Dec 01 20:17
schestowitz That’s where ppl jump for dollers.. Dec 01 20:17
schestowitz dollaz’ Dec 01 20:17
twitter http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=… Dec 01 20:21
twitter bbl Dec 01 20:21
twitter one last note, M$FT breaks $19 again, http://finance.google.com/finance?… Dec 01 20:23
twitter ding, ding, ding. Dec 01 20:23
trmanco Gates and Seinfeld Ads Voted Top ‘Bad’ Commercial: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gates-and-Sei… Dec 01 20:23
schestowitz What does the sing signal? Sales of furniture in Redmond? Dec 01 20:24
trmanco “In fact, according to the Anderson Analytics 2008 fall survey involving college students, Microsoft could not have done any worse than to produce those video advertisements.” Dec 01 20:24
schestowitz *ding Dec 01 20:24
schestowitz A shame for Jerry.. Dec 01 20:24
schestowitz Not only does he end up looking like a prick but he also departs as a loser. Dec 01 20:24
schestowitz I used to like his show.. Dec 01 20:25
_doug schest: what can we do to make Microsoft cool again :> Dec 01 20:25
schestowitz I have an ides… Dec 01 20:26
schestowitz I have an idea… Dec 01 20:26
_doug Seinfeld: I never got the humor ? Dec 01 20:26
schestowitz Make a memorable video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m6rqXHX3O48 Dec 01 20:26
_doug a show about nothing ? Dec 01 20:26
MinceR i think we can only destroy them. if they want to be cool and persist, only they can do that. Dec 01 20:26
MinceR they need to change to become cool. Dec 01 20:26
MinceR (and by “we”, i mean “everyone except microsoft”) Dec 01 20:28
_doug get serious Schest, leave the man alone … :) Dec 01 20:28
schestowitz OK Dec 01 20:28
schestowitz It’s a funny video Dec 01 20:29
trmanco looool Dec 01 20:30
trmanco http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-1… Dec 01 20:33
trmanco Mac fan Dec 01 20:33
_doug For real funny see: ‘Kids in the Hall’ a Canadian MonthyPython type sketch show .. Dec 01 20:33
trmanco “Indeed. While Moody would undoubtedly like to see more of that Vista angst turn into Linux love, it’s more likely that it’s helping the Mac, which saw its market share jump again in November to nearly 9 percent, according to Net Applications.” Dec 01 20:33
schestowitz trmanco: I don’t read him anymore Dec 01 20:34
schestowitz he’s misleading people who think he has something to do with freedom. Dec 01 20:34
schestowitz _doug: got Tuby URL? Dec 01 20:35
trmanco Windows is going down -> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?… Dec 01 20:35
_doug Tuby URL ? Dec 01 20:37
schestowitz YouTube Dec 01 20:38
schestowitz Couldn’t say Tubby… like hugeurl Dec 01 20:38
MinceR teletubby? Dec 01 20:39
MinceR hugeurl ftw Dec 01 20:39
schestowitz IDG BS Dec 01 20:39
schestowitz They make it sounds like it’s a fact. Dec 01 20:39
schestowitz Like it has only just happened. Dec 01 20:39
schestowitz They give validity to numbers that are based on REFERRALS between site. Dec 01 20:39
schestowitz What does that mean? Does that say anything about… what? Dec 01 20:40
_doug “The more home users who are online, using Macs and Firefox and Safari, the more those shares go up,” Dec 01 20:40
schestowitz It reminds me of articles that say “Windows most secure” Dec 01 20:40
schestowitz Instead of “Microsoft claims Windows is most scure” Dec 01 20:40
_doug What’s the linkage between browser and stock value ? Dec 01 20:40
_doug “Windows’ share typically falls on weekends and after work hours, as users surf from home computers, a larger percentage of which run Mac OS X than do work machines.” Dec 01 20:41
_doug EXCUSE~1 yea .. Dec 01 20:41
schestowitz What is work hours? Dec 01 20:41
schestowitz Australia? China? America? Dec 01 20:42
_doug Home users mostly use OS X .. that’s news to me .. Dec 01 20:42
PetoKraus home users? Dec 01 20:42
schestowitz Ohn users Dec 01 20:42
PetoKraus hmm fkn nvidia Dec 01 20:43
PetoKraus http://www.archlinux.org/news/424/ Dec 01 20:43
_doug question: how do they know browsert sharte dips at the weekend ? Dec 01 20:44
PetoKraus isn’t 20% actually nice number? Dec 01 20:44
_doug http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx… Dec 01 20:45
PetoKraus isn’t 20% actually nice number? Dec 01 20:45
PetoKraus i saw that link, that’s why i’m asking Dec 01 20:45
_doug OS usage says the Mac is at 8.87% .. browser usage is at  7.13% .. what are the other 1.74 MAc users browsing on ? Dec 01 20:47
PetoKraus ffx? Dec 01 20:47
_doug gtg Dec 01 20:47
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schestowitz http://planet.gentoo.org/developer… Dec 01 20:52
trmanco http://www.physorg.com/news147353055.html Dec 01 21:07
trmanco Linux Evolution Reveals Origins of Curious Mathematical Phenomenon Dec 01 21:07
schestowitz Seen it,thanks Dec 01 21:11
schestowitz This is nice too: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3781 Dec 01 21:11
schestowitz Microsoft on the outer of schools funding < http://www.australianit.news.com.au/st… > Dec 01 21:27
schestowitz Turns out this this guy who mailed me if a former Softie :-S <http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/20… > Dec 01 21:27
twitter _doug, GPLing all M$ their code will go a long way towards convincing people M$ is no longer evil, if it does not make them “cool” Dec 01 21:33
twitter heh, that crappy book downloads 99% and closes the connection every time.  http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_64/4964000/4964… Dec 01 21:54
twitter wget retried five times before I gave up. Dec 01 21:54
twitter I wonder if Cox is playing traffic games again. Dec 01 21:55
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twitter absolutely unbelievable funny,  http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o… Dec 01 22:09
schestowitz Don’t miss Stuart the Microsoftvell apologist: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/conten… Dec 01 22:12
twitter What a weenie.  In the same breath that he notes how successful Red Hat is, he sets up a straw man and implies Red Hat is like M$, not meeting investor expectations. Dec 01 22:17
*schestowitz should have a good post coming Dec 01 22:17
schestowitz twitter: he’s considered part of the issue at OSDL. Dec 01 22:17
schestowitz I will write about this in BN later Dec 01 22:18
twitter I hope he’s sitting on a pile of M$FT bought at $58/share. Dec 01 22:20
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/01/l… Dec 01 22:35
schestowitz This is probably worth a FP in big sites Dec 01 22:35
twitter I agree, that’s a big deal. Dec 01 22:52
twitter Most tech people know that Dell does not mean it when they say, “Dell recommends Vista,” but this proof that should have leaked out long ago. Dec 01 22:53
twitter I’m having a look at the “confidential” guidebook. Dec 01 22:53
twitter did you look for metatags that might give away your leak? Dec 01 22:56
schestowitz I threw away the ‘shells’ Dec 01 22:57
schestowitz It should be stripped off evidence. Dec 01 22:57
MinceR it could do with a bit more context though Dec 01 22:57
schestowitz True, but I’m in a hurry (more posts) Dec 01 22:58
twitter I gave it a look and did not see anything obvious but I’m not a PDF expert and M$ could have included binary tags if they were with it. Dec 01 23:03
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wispy heyyy roy! Dec 01 23:08
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wispy anyone there? Dec 01 23:12
PetoKraus sure Dec 01 23:12
wispy oh hey Dec 01 23:12
PetoKraus just i guess he’s doing something Dec 01 23:12
PetoKraus <schestowitz> True, but I’m in a hurry (more posts) [23:07] Dec 01 23:13
wispy he was just active on digg, i checked Dec 01 23:13
wispy 30 mins ago Dec 01 23:13
wispy oh ok Dec 01 23:13
wispy i’ll come back later, see ya Dec 01 23:13
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schestowitz Oops. Dec 01 23:18
schestowitz Was writing some stuff. Dec 01 23:18
PetoKraus hehe Dec 01 23:21
PetoKraus perfect timing :D Dec 01 23:21
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twitter OK, here are a couple of submissions based on some of today’s more explosive content. Dec 01 23:36
twitter Former M$ Programmer Writes FOSS Book.  http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view… Dec 01 23:37
twitter and the interesting leak, “The Nuts and Bolts of M$ OEM Manipulation,” http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op… Dec 01 23:40
schestowitz That writer wrote to me. Dec 01 23:40
schestowitz He said nothing (anywhere) about the roots int he Vole Dec 01 23:41
twitter roots in the Vole? Dec 01 23:44
twitter These are official M$ communications, right? Dec 01 23:44
twitter Oh, you are confusing the two stories, ha ha.  Don’t worry, they are not the same submission. Dec 01 23:46
twitter Completely different stories.  One is interesting because it reveals how clueless people who work at M$ are kept.  The other is interesting because it lays bare some OEM manipulation that’s unethical and may be illegal. Dec 01 23:48
schestowitz Long item about BECTA: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12… Dec 01 23:54
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