| schestowitz |
Novell incompetence (new): http://uk.youtube.com/wa… |
Dec 22 00:22 |
| neighborlee |
schestowitz, the sun and # of patents thing really hit a nerve  |
Dec 22 00:27 |
| schestowitz |
“Roy, people said the same thing about IBM a couple decades ago. It’s important for us as a community to give the black sheep of the family a chance to reform. If they fail to change, no harm done, things just continue as they have. If they succeed in changing, they could do a world of good.” < http://ostatic.com/blog/will-open… > |
Dec 22 00:27 |
| schestowitz |
neighborlee: /whose/ nerve? |
Dec 22 00:27 |
| neighborlee |
Roy: irrelevant. Stop trying to change the subject. |
Dec 22 00:27 |
| neighborlee |
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/20… <here |
Dec 22 00:28 |
| neighborlee |
when will these guys get it..it doesn’t matter if any attacks have been staged, it violates the gpl obviously but of course if they focus on that they immedately lose the debate..we would be in error to let them change that topic, speaking of changing things |
Dec 22 00:30 |
| schestowitz |
Who is “MonkeeSage”? Is it a Mono persona? |
Dec 22 00:30 |
| neighborlee |
I was kinda wondering myself |
Dec 22 00:30 |
| schestowitz |
xxx.satx.res.rr.com |
Dec 22 00:31 |
| schestowitz |
Never seen that one before. |
Dec 22 00:31 |
| schestowitz |
Reminds of those monkey’s in Jo’s Web site. |
Dec 22 00:32 |
| schestowitz |
*oops. Monkeys |
Dec 22 00:32 |
| neighborlee |
yup there is that |
Dec 22 00:32 |
| schestowitz |
I noticed your comment in Alan’s blog earlier (I’m subscribed to that). Anyone who opposes Microsoft’s .NET (oops… Mono) is not a rabid zealot and should be gaged. |
Dec 22 00:37 |
| schestowitz |
*gagged |
Dec 22 00:37 |
| neighborlee |
heh |
Dec 22 00:41 |
| schestowitz |
The Mono ilk is flooding the site today. I spent too much time with like 200 comments. |
Dec 22 00:41 |
| schestowitz |
It’s like they sit there all evening, hitting F5 and waiting for the next chance to call me “an idiot” or something. |
Dec 22 00:42 |
| neighborlee |
wow |
Dec 22 00:45 |
| neighborlee |
thats alot of typing  |
Dec 22 00:45 |
| neighborlee |
but hey, the war rages on |
Dec 22 00:45 |
| neighborlee |
I wish konversation worked in windows..its much better I think than xchat,, |
Dec 22 00:50 |
| schestowitz |
I’ve only ever used mirc (when I was 14) and Xchat (that would be more recently). |
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Dec 22 00:54 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
hola |
Dec 22 00:54 |
| neighborlee |
hi there |
Dec 22 00:58 |
| schestowitz |
http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2008/12/20/w… “Patrick’s method is not going to hit problems like dev-scheme/chicken breaking most of the Mono packages (that would pick up /usr/bin/csc as the C# compiler rather than mcsc), or collisions between unrelated packages.” |
Dec 22 00:58 |
| schestowitz |
Hey, mix* |
Dec 22 00:58 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
on the comments how to I “quote” someone? what are the tags? |
Dec 22 00:59 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
comments on the main boycott novell site |
Dec 22 00:59 |
| schestowitz |
<blockquote> |
Dec 22 01:03 |
| schestowitz |
<blockquote>test</blockquote> |
Dec 22 01:03 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
ha thanks much |
Dec 22 01:03 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
back in to the fray then |
Dec 22 01:03 |
| schestowitz |
If you botch it, tell me and I’ll edit |
Dec 22 01:03 |
| schestowitz |
Thanks. |
Dec 22 01:03 |
| MinceR |
gn |
Dec 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz |
Heh. http://loupgaroublond.blogspot.com/2008/1… |
Dec 22 01:08 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR should read it. |
Dec 22 01:08 |
| *MinceR will. |
Dec 22 01:09 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
did anyone read the “11 ways to create a successful linux distro” article? |
Dec 22 01:31 |
| schestowitz |
I have, why? |
Dec 22 01:33 |
| schestowitz |
I will post it tomorrow morning among the links |
Dec 22 01:33 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
ah no biggie, just check out #4 on thier list. the idea of a “mono distro” is funny. |
Dec 22 01:33 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
i mean don’t most distros already include that stuff |
Dec 22 01:34 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
that seems to me to be part of the problem, not a “feature” |
Dec 22 01:34 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
i some distro out there including really old versions of mono and no mono apps or something? |
Dec 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operatin… |
Dec 22 01:35 |
| schestowitz |
The Mono boosters who comment in BN try to push them all to 2.0. |
Dec 22 01:36 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
ah. i see. but are some distros saying they won’t go to 2.0? like they are only comfortable with the old versions? |
Dec 22 01:36 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
i haven’t heard that |
Dec 22 01:36 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
most are all in or all out, right? |
Dec 22 01:36 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
not saying they already have 2.0, but they aren’t saying they will not update |
Dec 22 01:37 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t see why. |
Dec 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz |
They are still lobbied by the Mono guards and Novell employees. |
Dec 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz |
“Here, have a bug.. eat it” |
Dec 22 01:39 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
exactly so. Mono-boosters make even more noise about upgrading thier packages |
Dec 22 01:39 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
it’s an attempt to create an aura of importance or relevance for mono that other packages don’t receive |
Dec 22 01:39 |
| schestowitz |
It makes the dependency greater |
Dec 22 01:39 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
correct – like “if your distro doesn’t have MONO 2.0 then it is old and pokey” or something |
Dec 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz |
It also introduces more stuff that’s outside the ‘standardizes’ C# |
Dec 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz |
*zed |
Dec 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz |
The issue is this. |
Dec 22 01:40 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
oh no no no, they said mono was only the language and CLI because that’s what ECMA covers |
Dec 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz |
Mono 2.0 is manufactured mostly by Novell/Microsoft |
Dec 22 01:41 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
they can’t be moving the goalposts |
Dec 22 01:41 |
| schestowitz |
This ‘factory’ includes ‘Microsoft people’ too, so it can pass (feed) the distros anything. |
Dec 22 01:41 |
| schestowitz |
People warned about it in 2006, shortly after the dead had been signed. |
Dec 22 01:41 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft has a sort of committal access. |
Dec 22 01:41 |
| schestowitz |
Goalposts already move. They ‘forgot’ about the Winforms issue by now. |
Dec 22 01:42 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
so true and so sad all the same time |
Dec 22 01:42 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
that’s what people don’t like to see – Novell/MS aren’t going to stay within a little box |
Dec 22 01:43 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
they are going to continually and incrementally spread |
Dec 22 01:43 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
that’s what companies do |
Dec 22 01:43 |
| schestowitz |
LEt me see if I can find something |
Dec 22 01:43 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
if you don’t continually examine and address thier actions, you are missing the point |
Dec 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz |
Back in 2007 I found a nice expression in the AUBuilder/ZDNet network |
Dec 22 01:44 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
you can’t say “oh this is an old debate or old news”, because it is an ongoing process |
Dec 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz |
Something about Microsoft sending Novell tot eh GPL parking lot every time it needs a gig done (e.g. OOXML translators to claim OOXML support from FOSS) |
Dec 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz |
“[The partnership with Microsoft is] going very well insofar as we originally agreed to co-operate on three distinct projects and now we’re working on nine projects and there’s a good list of 19 other projects that we plan to co-operate on.” — Ron Hovsepian, Novell CEO (2008) |
Dec 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz |
“Our partnership with Microsoft continues to expand.” — Ron Hovsepian, Novell CEO (2008) |
Dec 22 01:45 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
But I was told Novell was a “fierce competitor” of Microsoft? |
Dec 22 01:46 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
It says so right in the OpenSUSE FAQ. |
Dec 22 01:46 |
| schestowitz |
They’re a young couple romancing. Won’t be long before they get marries and have little monos. |
Dec 22 01:46 |
| schestowitz |
Novell is the wife.. it like Big Mike’s wallet…without it, it would fall apart. |
Dec 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* fierce competitor… |
Dec 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz |
Watch Novell’s site. They market Windows… Oh! and Migrations from UNIX!! |
Dec 22 01:47 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
I know. I can’t believe someone actually typed “fierce competitor” with a straight face |
Dec 22 01:48 |
| schestowitz |
The pages about Windows being bad were torn down months after the deal. |
Dec 22 01:48 |
| schestowitz |
mib_3wwnu3: back then (FAQ) they probably meant it. |
Dec 22 01:48 |
| schestowitz |
Resistors like Ted Haeger and Jeremy Allison left |
Dec 22 01:49 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
hmm… probably *wished* it – the FAQ is in defense of the Novell/MS deal, and they are trying to argue that despite the deal, Novell is still a “fierce competitor” |
Dec 22 01:49 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
“There is no general strategic alliance. Novell continue to be fierce competitors of Microsoft, which should be evident by the openSUSE and SUSE Linux Enterprise products.” |
Dec 22 01:50 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, I thought you mean the OpenSUSE FAQ. |
Dec 22 01:50 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
no no i do…that is the opensuse faq right there |
Dec 22 01:50 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
check out the first point |
Dec 22 01:50 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
http://en.opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS |
Dec 22 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
They love pointing at these. “I don’t have a good answers, but *these* guys have something to say^H^H^Hspin” |
Dec 22 01:51 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
they are talking out both sides of the mouth in that OpenSUSE FAQ |
Dec 22 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
I haven’t seen it in years |
Dec 22 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
It’s out of date |
Dec 22 01:51 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
ah, someone i know just blogged on it |
Dec 22 01:52 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
so it’s fresh in my mind |
Dec 22 01:52 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
|
Dec 22 01:52 |
| schestowitz |
The OpenSUSE FAQ? |
Dec 22 01:52 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
yeah |
Dec 22 01:52 |
| schestowitz |
The Me and Ubuntu guy? |
Dec 22 01:52 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
yeah |
Dec 22 01:52 |
| schestowitz |
How do you know him/her? |
Dec 22 01:52 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
he is me |
Dec 22 01:53 |
| schestowitz |
Ah.. |
Dec 22 01:53 |
| schestowitz |
It came just before the 11.1 release. |
Dec 22 01:53 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
yeah, maybe it caught a little attention due to the timing – that’s what lead me to read the thing in the first place |
Dec 22 01:54 |
| schestowitz |
Did they link to it? |
Dec 22 01:55 |
| schestowitz |
They have ‘sleeve ref’ (off the sleeve) |
Dec 22 01:56 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
i don’t know what that is |
Dec 22 01:56 |
| schestowitz |
Just something they pull out of their ars^Hleeve whenever they don’t have an answer. |
Dec 22 01:57 |
| schestowitz |
Like Mono FAQ |
Dec 22 01:57 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
ah right that is my main problem with the FAQs |
Dec 22 01:58 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
so many people point to them like they are some authoratitive answer |
Dec 22 01:58 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
and they are no such thing, just something some dude wrote, and usually poorly referenced and argued |
Dec 22 01:59 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
pet peeve of mine |
Dec 22 01:59 |
| schestowitz |
it’s a pattern. Like a song they latch onto. The good ‘boosters’ actually sing original ‘renditions’ |
Dec 22 01:59 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
it makes thinking easy |
Dec 22 01:59 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
or not-thinking |
Dec 22 01:59 |
| schestowitz |
FAQ = “what *he* said” |
Dec 22 01:59 |
| schestowitz |
’twas the same story with GPLv3. Some kernel hackers (most of them?) never read the thing but they said “no” cause Linus did. So you have some independent thinkers ushered by a flock who take it all at face value. |
Dec 22 02:00 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
groupthink is always dangerous |
Dec 22 02:01 |
| schestowitz |
It’s military mentality. ,They take orders. It’s dangerous. |
Dec 22 02:01 |
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Dec 22 02:02 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
it strikes me as ironic in that I try really hard to read the references and analyze them, but I am the one accused of “zealotry” |
Dec 22 02:02 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
*maybe* I am wrong, but it’s not because I’m saying something I haven’t thought about |
Dec 22 02:03 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
I’m not just repeating the “party line” |
Dec 22 02:03 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
that’s another pet peeve ther |
Dec 22 02:03 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
there |
Dec 22 02:03 |
| schestowitz |
“zealot”? |
Dec 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz |
That’s what Microsoft hypocritically labels opposition. |
Dec 22 02:04 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
exactly, it’s an attack on the person, rather than the argument |
Dec 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz |
Government use words like dissident or terrorist. In China, they send people (forcibly) to mental clinics for it. |
Dec 22 02:05 |
| schestowitz |
gn |
Dec 22 02:15 |
| mib_3wwnu3 |
nn |
Dec 22 02:17 |
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Dec 22 07:29 |
| tessier |
http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2008/12/rumors-of-up… |
Dec 22 07:29 |
| tessier |
You guys seen this already? |
Dec 22 07:29 |
| schestowitz |
Hey, tessier wb |
Dec 22 08:28 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft layoffs began a while ago. |
Dec 22 08:29 |
| kentma |
Human misery… Recession will bring much more of this. |
Dec 22 08:41 |
| schestowitz |
Next year it’ll peak, based on what I read. |
Dec 22 08:41 |
| kentma |
My economist friend is of the same opinion |
Dec 22 08:42 |
| schestowitz |
How warm is it in Canada? Are you out on the beach having a Piña colada? |
Dec 22 08:42 |
| kentma |
Hehe -snowmen and igloos atm. |
Dec 22 08:43 |
| kentma |
I like going to north america, it makes me realise hoow good uk’s ttemperate weather is |
Dec 22 08:44 |
| kentma |
A pplane slipped off a runway in denver yesterday… |
Dec 22 08:44 |
| kentma |
Sorry about spellings, on n800 |
Dec 22 08:46 |
| kentma |
Oh – bought acer aspire 1 yesterday – everone loves it |
Dec 22 08:46 |
| kentma |
Everyone |
Dec 22 08:46 |
| schestowitz |
Was the crew and passengers safe? |
Dec 22 08:47 |
| schestowitz |
*Were |
Dec 22 08:47 |
| kentma |
Several injuries, but thankfully none dead |
Dec 22 08:47 |
| kentma |
Ice on runway |
Dec 22 08:47 |
| kentma |
The fantasy of losing worst 10% merely results in an enron |
Dec 22 08:53 |
| schestowitz |
Do you know abiut MS? |
Dec 22 08:55 |
| kentma |
What about ms? |
Dec 22 08:58 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.billparish.com/msftfrau… “Many believe that the stock market crash of 1929 caused the Great Depression yet history clearly shows that it was instead simply bad government policy that was manipulated by leaders such as Insull. Today many now fear a similar stock market crash but in reality the economy is very strong and, if we can reform this pyramid at Microsoft, the overall market should not need to correct mo |
Dec 22 08:59 |
| schestowitz |
re than 20 percent.” |
Dec 22 08:59 |
| schestowitz |
“Microsoft’s perspective is best reflected by Bob Herbold, Chief Operating Officer, to whom the CFO reports. Bob very sincerely replied, “Bill, everyone is doing it.” My response was that Microsoft is a leader and that others are now seeking to emulate these fraudulent practices they have legitimized. “ |
Dec 22 08:59 |
| schestowitz |
Who will be the next Maduffocker? |
Dec 22 08:59 |
| kentma |
Good question… The corruption in the us economy has been clear for years. |
Dec 22 09:00 |
| schestowitz |
It was a norm |
Dec 22 09:02 |
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Dec 22 10:02 |
| trmanco |
MAFIA A |
Dec 22 10:19 |
| schestowitz |
Grade-A mafia |
Dec 22 10:24 |
| trmanco |
indeed |
Dec 22 10:25 |
| trmanco |
http://brandybuck.site40…. |
Dec 22 10:33 |
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Dec 22 10:41 |
| schestowitz |
Famous photo |
Dec 22 10:42 |
| trmanco |
and a funny one too |
Dec 22 10:51 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a Microsoft leak |
Dec 22 10:51 |
| trmanco |
LOL |
Dec 22 10:51 |
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Dec 22 11:00 |
| trmanco |
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-content/uplo… |
Dec 22 11:20 |
| trmanco |
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253 |
Dec 22 11:21 |
| schestowitz |
Flash? |
Dec 22 11:21 |
| schestowitz |
Eek. |
Dec 22 11:21 |
| schestowitz |
They should copyleft it rather than take pride in copyrights |
Dec 22 11:22 |
| trmanco |
Live Search Continues to Lose Ground to Google: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Live-Searc… |
Dec 22 11:26 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, thanks. |
Dec 22 11:31 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll just do many MS links. I’m tired |
Dec 22 11:31 |
| trmanco |
Vulnerabilities in several virus scanners: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/… |
Dec 22 11:33 |
| trmanco |
here is another one |
Dec 22 11:33 |
| trmanco |
“I’m Linux” Video Contest Will Probably Be a Forking Mess: http://gizmodo.com/5115140/im-linux-video-c… |
Dec 22 11:40 |
| trmanco |
forking mess, c’mon  |
Dec 22 11:40 |
| schestowitz |
Hehe. |
Dec 22 12:03 |
| trmanco |
I have an idea |
Dec 22 12:26 |
| trmanco |
see this >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6404294&… |
Dec 22 12:28 |
| trmanco |
I’ll post this kind of stuff on COLA like Homer is doing  |
Dec 22 12:29 |
| schestowitz |
As in…? Microsoft idea’s are “people grouping in a comfy office coordinating the crashing of PS3 launch parties” |
Dec 22 12:29 |
| schestowitz |
*ideas. |
Dec 22 12:29 |
| *schestowitz looks |
Dec 22 12:29 |
| trmanco |
what do you think? |
Dec 22 12:29 |
| MinceR |
hay |
Dec 22 12:30 |
| schestowitz |
trmanco: go with it. |
Dec 22 12:30 |
| trmanco |
 |
Dec 22 12:30 |
| trmanco |
this one was just sent |
Dec 22 12:35 |
| *trmanco find some more |
Dec 22 12:35 |
| *trmanco finds some more |
Dec 22 12:35 |
| trmanco |
schestowitz, you are doing good work >> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/show… |
Dec 22 12:52 |
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Dec 22 12:53 |
| schestowitz |
I never saw that before, so thanks. |
Dec 22 12:56 |
| trmanco |
I’m looking for some Fedora testimonials |
Dec 22 12:57 |
| trmanco |
I found this so far |
Dec 22 12:57 |
| trmanco |
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showp… |
Dec 22 12:57 |
| trmanco |
 php 2 doesn’t have the single post thingy |
Dec 22 13:09 |
| trmanco |
phpbb* |
Dec 22 13:09 |
| trmanco |
LOOL |
Dec 22 13:13 |
| trmanco |
schestowitz, look -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy… |
Dec 22 13:13 |
| trmanco |
:-p |
Dec 22 13:13 |
| schestowitz |
I never saw that. |
Dec 22 13:19 |
| schestowitz |
I concentrate so much on advocating that i don’t often see the response (other than in USENET, bar the killfile) |
Dec 22 13:19 |
| trmanco |
you are everywhere |
Dec 22 13:21 |
| trmanco |
what the heck? -> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.li… |
Dec 22 13:22 |
| schestowitz |
I’ve just got another request to start censoring BN |
Dec 22 13:30 |
| schestowitz |
Yesterday was too much for some readers (over 200 comments, mostly from anti-BN crowd) |
Dec 22 13:30 |
| trmanco |
censoring? |
Dec 22 13:30 |
| trmanco |
requested from who? |
Dec 22 13:30 |
| schestowitz |
Moderating |
Dec 22 13:31 |
| schestowitz |
trmanco: one regular reader. I might write about it later |
Dec 22 13:31 |
| trmanco |
ok |
Dec 22 13:31 |
| schestowitz |
He’s not the first |
Dec 22 13:31 |
| schestowitz |
Some people think that heckling ruins the site |
Dec 22 13:31 |
| schestowitz |
You can’t even discuss things with Asay or O’Reilly without a bunch of monsters like G Michaels throwing dirty diapers everywhere. |
Dec 22 13:32 |
| trmanco |
lol |
Dec 22 13:32 |
| trmanco |
I laughed -> “dirty diapers” |
Dec 22 13:32 |
| schestowitz |
Some think the hecklers coordinate this, but I think it’s only true to a limited extent (some few ones know others from other activities). |
Dec 22 13:33 |
| trmanco |
http://bash.org/?152037 |
Dec 22 13:59 |
| trmanco |
http://lwn.net/Articles/292995/ |
Dec 22 14:02 |
| schestowitz |
Interesting comment from Sam: http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/288 “1. Though Novell bought Ximian in August 2003 and SuSE three months, it is unlikely that it would not have decided on the SuSE purchase before buying Ximian. Which company would buy an outfit selling a commercial Linux desktop without having a Linux distribution among its products in order to sell that desktop?” |
Dec 22 14:30 |
| schestowitz |
The Gralla MShill is attacking Linux again. |
Dec 22 14:32 |
| schestowitz |
Must be a pre-xmas attack before those January layoffs at Microsoft people talk about. |
Dec 22 14:33 |
| schestowitz |
Tech Centers Go Green Despite Cuts < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155857/… >; meanwhile they do lots more damage elsewhere. |
Dec 22 14:37 |
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| schestowitz |
http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-de… ” Bush and his men must be held accountable for their crimes in Haiti. One point in the article requires correction: it assumes that Dubya was elected president. There is plenty of evidence that he stole both elections.” |
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| schestowitz |
I’m trying to find more MS intersections here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jac… (bg in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff ) |
Dec 22 14:56 |
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| schestowitz |
Egypt offline for weekend after Med seabed cables cut < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12… > |
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| schestowitz |
*LOL* http://www.allhatnocattle.net/1-24-06_ab… |
Dec 22 16:35 |
| schestowitz |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Gates_&_Ell… |
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Dec 22 18:14 |
| schestowitz |
zoobab: http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/ “(December 20, 2008) RealVideo 3.0 decoder added. Still working the bugs out, please test and report any problems.” |
Dec 22 18:14 |
| schestowitz |
How Microsoft is associated with the Seattle-based lobby/law firm Preston Gates & Ellis (Bill Gates’ father), which employed the infamously-criminal Jack Abramoff: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/22/microsoft-g… |
Dec 22 18:16 |
| _doug |
what did billg ever do to you |
Dec 22 18:18 |
| schestowitz |
Nothing. It’s not about him. |
Dec 22 18:18 |
| schestowitz |
It’s about a political muscle that involves some wealthy ‘elites’ |
Dec 22 18:19 |
| _doug |
“CompTIA further contends that the serious and irreparable damage” |
Dec 22 18:20 |
| _doug |
http://www.stern.nyu.edu/networks/Microsoft_… |
Dec 22 18:20 |
| _doug |
how much damage did these micro-type practices do to the industry ? |
Dec 22 18:20 |
| schestowitz |
2004? |
Dec 22 18:20 |
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Dec 22 18:21 |
| _doug |
Not to mention BSA .. |
Dec 22 18:21 |
| schestowitz |
“Association Inc. (‘CompTIA’) requested leave to intervene in support of the form of order sought by Microsoft in the interim relief proceedings.” |
Dec 22 18:21 |
| schestowitz |
All the shills.. |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
ACT too.. |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
158 Third, and last, Microsoft states that since the adoption of the Decision Sun Microsystems has reached |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
an agreement with Microsoft which addresses all the concerns underlying its complaint to the |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
Commission. There is therefore no immediate need to implement the Decision while the main action is |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
pending. |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
159 ACT claims that unless the remedy is suspended it will produce serious and irreparable effects owing to |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
the damage to the strength and value of its members’ intellectual property rights in the EEA. |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
160 More specifically, ACT maintains, first, that the immediate applicability of the remedy would constitute a |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
groundbreaking precedent in the compulsory licensing of intellectual property rights which would |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
quickly and substantially reduce the value of the intellectual property rights owned by its members. In |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
that regard, ACT claims that the Commission has interpreted and applied Article 82 EC in a way that is |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
inconsistent with the Community’s obligations under Articles 13, 31 and 39 of the TRIPS Agreement. |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
161 ACT maintains, second, that disclosure of the communications protocols which have thus far been the |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
exclusive property of Microsoft would result in the instability of Windows Client PC and server operating |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
systems, which would immediately cause significant harm for its members. |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
162 CompTIA submits that, in so far as it requires Microsoft to supply its intellectual property to any |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
undertaking present on the servers market, the remedy provided for in Article 5 of the Decision will |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
reduce the level of protection for the entire information technology and communications industry, give |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
rise to legal uncertainty and have the immediate effect of reducing investment in the technology sector |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
and therefore the general level of economic activity. |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
163 CompTIA further contends that the serious and irreparable damage which that remedy will cause to the |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
entire sector, and also to the members of CompTIA, exceeds any possible adverse effect which the lack |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
of immediate disclosure could have on the public interest or the in |
Dec 22 18:22 |
| _doug |
http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/10… |
Dec 22 18:23 |
| schestowitz |
“336 CompTIA and Exor support Microsoft’s position as regards a prima facie case. They contend that Microsoft has demonstrated that Articles 4 and 6(a) of the Decision are prima facie unlawful.” |
Dec 22 18:24 |
| schestowitz |
pp 47: “Furthermore, Microsoft, supported more broadly on that point by CompTIA, ACT..” |
Dec 22 18:25 |
| _doug |
http://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/… |
Dec 22 18:25 |
| _doug |
a balanced playing field where the ref plays for the red team .. |
Dec 22 18:26 |
| _doug |
http://www.opensecrets.org/revolving… |
Dec 22 18:27 |
| schestowitz |
“Microsoft and Abramoff vs. Novell Inc.” < http://www.enterinside.com/b… > |
Dec 22 18:28 |
| schestowitz |
What’s here? -> http://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/… |
Dec 22 18:28 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, I see.. |
Dec 22 18:29 |
| schestowitz |
Wow. This happened less than a week ago |
Dec 22 18:29 |
| _doug |
http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/client… |
Dec 22 18:29 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft and Abramoff vs. Novell Inc. “This page has been deleted. The deletion log for the page is provided below for reference.” < http://www.enterinside.com/bro… > |
Dec 22 18:31 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe they should lobby for Lobby Visas… you know, to hire ‘more qualified’ lobbyists from other countries… it’s cheaper |
Dec 22 18:33 |
| _doug |
we must have more H1-B1 lobbiest visas |
Dec 22 18:35 |
| schestowitz |
H1-B1>> |
Dec 22 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
I came across the same BS: “This is perhaps the most annoying thing about Open Office.org. Why do I need Java Runtime for OpenOffice to export a document into HTML format. Duh!” < http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2008/12/open-… > |
Dec 22 18:41 |
| _doug |
Free sued over open source software |
Dec 22 18:43 |
| _doug |
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/article…. |
Dec 22 18:43 |
| schestowitz |
We got some traffic from this page today (like 1%): http://www.cio.com/article/print/472116 |
Dec 22 18:46 |
| schestowitz |
_doug: needs subs. Should it say “cisco”? |
Dec 22 18:47 |
| _doug |
? |
Dec 22 18:47 |
| schestowitz |
Actually, that’s not possible given the date. What’s this article about? |
Dec 22 18:47 |
| schestowitz |
Business collapsed and folding so soon? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/… (Sky ‘withdraws’ from Tiscali buyout talks) |
Dec 22 18:48 |
| _doug |
subscription only, why not contact them and ask .. |
Dec 22 18:48 |
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Dec 22 18:49 |
| _doug |
“French ISP Free has been sued in a Paris court by open software developers Harald Welte, Rob Landley and Erik Andersen for failing to respect the general ..” |
Dec 22 18:50 |
| schestowitz |
Freedom Squad :-p |
Dec 22 18:51 |
| schestowitz |
Suing for Freedom(R) |
Dec 22 18:52 |
| trmanco |
Trolls gone mad ! |
Dec 22 18:52 |
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Dec 22 18:53 |
| trmanco |
this would make a nice movie title |
Dec 22 18:53 |
| schestowitz |
Did you see the new GL post? SCO acquires PJ from IBM. |
Dec 22 18:53 |
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Dec 22 18:54 |
| _doug |
On, it turned out that PJ was a time traveling space alien android from the future, with amnesia .. |
Dec 22 18:54 |
| schestowitz |
This could take a while… ->> http://www.pcworld.com/article/155872/undersea_ro… |
Dec 22 18:54 |
| _doug |
That French ISP, story isn’t verified on their blogs .. |
Dec 22 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
It’s from Novermber. |
Dec 22 18:55 |
| _doug |
how about burying them .. |
Dec 22 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
I didn’t see it anywhere but this subs-only thing. |
Dec 22 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
Burying who? |
Dec 22 18:55 |
| _doug |
and not using drag nets … |
Dec 22 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
The haatchets? |
Dec 22 18:55 |
| _doug |
burying the cables under the seabed .. |
Dec 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
The cable.. |
Dec 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
I see… I don’t know why. There must be reasons. |
Dec 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
In times of war these can be cut |
Dec 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
But there has been no major war since modern telecom (bar telegraph and all) |
Dec 22 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
Another thing that will be used immediately is an army of crackers that DDOS DNS and any machine at service. China is well prepared for it; the US… not so much, but they have lots of back doors in China. |
Dec 22 18:57 |
| _doug |
it’s cheaper to just lay them on the surface .. |
Dec 22 18:58 |
| _doug |
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/log… |
Dec 22 18:58 |
| schestowitz |
nations are being very stupid. It’s like China leases all its telephone lines to the NSA/CIA/FBI/whatever. |
Dec 22 18:58 |
| _doug |
well, it’s only fair when both sides read each others mail :] |
Dec 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz |
“Cable burial by plowing, using large sled-type cable plows towed by large powerful cable ships is the standard and most widely used commercial method of protecting submarine telephone cables from fishing activity, large ship anchors and other ocean hazards. “ |
Dec 22 18:59 |
| schestowitz |
Would they keep routes of the cable secret? Like the “Enigma”? |
Dec 22 19:00 |
| _doug |
must cost a lot, especially to repair .. |
Dec 22 19:00 |
| schestowitz |
Or will Turning scuba-dive with a pair of scissors? |
Dec 22 19:00 |
| schestowitz |
*Turing |
Dec 22 19:00 |
| _doug |
can’t keep them a secret .. |
Dec 22 19:00 |
| _doug |
What would be usefull is a large wheeled sub, that dug the trench and laid the cable at the same time .. |
Dec 22 19:01 |
| _doug |
electronic couch potato patented .. |
Dec 22 19:02 |
| _doug |
http://www.telecommagazine.com/newsglobe… |
Dec 22 19:02 |
| schestowitz |
Winning bid: http://coppola.rsmart.com/files… |
Dec 22 19:04 |
| _doug |
Patent and open source software are fundamentally incompatible .. |
Dec 22 19:05 |
| _doug |
http://www.iusmentis.com/computerprogr… |
Dec 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz |
Patents are hence anti-FOSS law/mechanism (swpats) |
Dec 22 19:06 |
| _doug |
Open source isn’t free software .. |
Dec 22 19:07 |
| schestowitz |
Can JackA legalise them in the EU when he’s out of jail? |
Dec 22 19:07 |
| _doug |
http://www.cio.com.au/article/27… |
Dec 22 19:07 |
| _doug |
Bill Hilf: Door open to open-source pacts .. |
Dec 22 19:08 |
| _doug |
http://www.cio.com.au/inde… |
Dec 22 19:08 |
| _doug |
2006 .. sorry … |
Dec 22 19:08 |
| schestowitz |
This is funny |
Dec 22 19:08 |
| schestowitz |
IDG/Google had a hiccup, so it burped out a story from 2007. |
Dec 22 19:09 |
| schestowitz |
Nick Farrell thought it was new and wrote about this old news as though it is news: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer… |
Dec 22 19:09 |
| _doug |
http://www.contractoruk.com/news/004117.html |
Dec 22 19:10 |
| schestowitz |
Bill Hilf quite his role… probably drinking the shame and guilt away… it’s not easy being a thug. |
Dec 22 19:10 |
| _doug |
is ‘KAren’ for real ,, why not contact the school and get a confirmation … |
Dec 22 19:10 |
| schestowitz |
Probably. |
Dec 22 19:10 |
| schestowitz |
‘ |
Dec 22 19:11 |
| schestowitz |
Whatever it was Karen smoked in college, it seems to have given her a rose-tinted view of the world of commercial software, writing: “I am sure if you contacted Microsoft, they would be more than happy to supply you with copies of an older verison[sic] of Windows and that way, your computers would actually be of service to those receiving them.”‘ |
Dec 22 19:11 |
| schestowitz |
“…smoked in college.. rose-tinted” Nice people. |
Dec 22 19:12 |
| schestowitz |
M-m-m-m-m-m-merry Xmas… clear your desk by the end of the day. WD lops off 2,500 jobs and one fab < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/101/… > WHY do they wait until now? |
Dec 22 19:13 |
| schestowitz |
Next month they say will be a bloodbath (deferred announcements)… Microsoft too likely to announce some ‘cost-cutting’…… |
Dec 22 19:13 |
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Dec 22 19:15 |
| _doug |
MS fast false-facts article .. |
Dec 22 19:16 |
| _doug |
“With the Linux-based platform we would have a system crash at least once a week. Migrating to a Microsoft-based system has virtually eliminated server crashes and we have vendor support.” |
Dec 22 19:16 |
| _doug |
- Ed Castillo, Information Technology Team Lead, Capital Engineering |
Dec 22 19:16 |
| _doug |
http://www.microsoft.com/canada/get… |
Dec 22 19:17 |
| _doug |
I don’t know what Ed makes, but I do know I don’t want any .. :] |
Dec 22 19:17 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe he used corssover before. |
Dec 22 19:18 |
| schestowitz |
“With the Linux-based platform we would have a system crash at least once a week” use the keyboard, not the sledgehammer, Ed. |
Dec 22 19:18 |
| _doug |
yea, like our friend trying to run AD under wine .. |
Dec 22 19:18 |
| schestowitz |
Which ‘friend’? |
Dec 22 19:19 |
| schestowitz |
Wheres me start thinigi? |
Dec 22 19:19 |
| _doug |
couldn’t get Actocad to run on Linux ? |
Dec 22 19:20 |
| _doug |
http://www.capitaleng.ca/ |
Dec 22 19:20 |
| _doug |
“Performance Grade Asphalt Tank Storage Facility” |
Dec 22 19:20 |
| _doug |
:] |
Dec 22 19:20 |
| _doug |
“Nonfemet ZPL Zinc Smelter” |
Dec 22 19:21 |
| _doug |
Autocad .. |
Dec 22 19:21 |
| schestowitz |
Pola-bye: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new… |
Dec 22 19:21 |
| _doug |
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?s… |
Dec 22 19:22 |
| trmanco |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=… -> good to know from who I get my Wine from |
Dec 22 19:22 |
| schestowitz |
Wine-cracking. |
Dec 22 19:23 |
| _doug |
“running qualified Linux operating systems” |
Dec 22 19:24 |
| _doug |
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?… |
Dec 22 19:24 |
| _doug |
Qualified Linux guests: RedHat, SuSE … |
Dec 22 19:25 |
| _doug |
Competitive Selling: Win vs. Linux |
Dec 22 19:26 |
| _doug |
https://partner.microsoft.com/40029171 |
Dec 22 19:26 |
| trmanco |
MS addons for Linux |
Dec 22 19:26 |
| trmanco |
give me a break |
Dec 22 19:26 |
| schestowitz |
sudo apt-get install breal |
Dec 22 19:27 |
| trmanco |
sudo apt-get install beer beer-lib cup |
Dec 22 19:28 |
| schestowitz |
chown trmanco break beer beer-lib cup; sleep(0); |
Dec 22 19:28 |
| trmanco |
lol |
Dec 22 19:29 |
| trmanco |
man chown |
Dec 22 19:29 |
| _doug |
Neuros ships $300.00 set-top box .. |
Dec 22 19:30 |
| _doug |
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS828… |
Dec 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz |
“AMD SHAREHOLDERS learned late Friday that Lehman Brothers’ September bankruptcy has forced the chipmaker to abandon a complicated long-term stock value protection deal.” < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/n… |
Dec 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz |
man that is quite funny |
Dec 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz |
No manual entry for that |
Dec 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz |
No manual entry for is |
Dec 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz |
No manual entry for quite |
Dec 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz |
No manual entry for funny |
Dec 22 19:30 |
| trmanco |
 |
Dec 22 19:30 |
| schestowitz |
_doug: it does YouTube too! |
Dec 22 19:30 |
| trmanco |
No manual entry for woman |
Dec 22 19:31 |
| schestowitz |
\0/buh-bye, ol’ media |
Dec 22 19:31 |
| trmanco |
oops |
Dec 22 19:31 |
| schestowitz |
So……. who do you reckon will be defrauded next? |
Dec 22 19:32 |
| schestowitz |
Ponzi down, Abramoff down, Madoff…………. Gates?? |
Dec 22 19:32 |
| schestowitz |
Carlos Slim? |
Dec 22 19:32 |
| schestowitz |
MSFT at $18:xx today. |
Dec 22 19:38 |
| schestowitz |
Novell below $3.4 |
Dec 22 19:38 |
| schestowitz |
Almost… |
Dec 22 19:38 |
| trmanco |
3.4 :O |
Dec 22 19:45 |
| *trmanco checks microsoft’s shares |
Dec 22 19:45 |
| trmanco |
$19 |
Dec 22 19:45 |
| trmanco |
:O |
Dec 22 19:46 |
| trmanco |
boycottnovell in on google finance |
Dec 22 19:46 |
| trmanco |
when you choose MSFT |
Dec 22 19:46 |
| trmanco |
ahead of all the win blogs |
Dec 22 19:47 |
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Dec 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz |
There’s usually something about Novell too… scroll down to bottom: http://www.google.com/search?num=50… |
Dec 22 19:51 |
| trmanco |
yeah |
Dec 22 19:54 |
| trmanco |
http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/brows… |
Dec 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.anonymousliberal.com/2008/12/tax… |
Dec 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz |
So he stole from the poor and gave to the rich? I’m not sure.. |
Dec 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz |
trmanco: it’s better for Chrome to be ignored until it’s /really/ FOSS. |
Dec 22 20:02 |
| trmanco |
ok, then we better sit and wait |
Dec 22 20:02 |
| trmanco |
Search Biz: MSFT Layoff Rumors, Google Chrome Complicates Mozilla Relationship & More: http://searchengineland.com/s… |
Dec 22 20:03 |
| schestowitz |
Hmmmmmmm… http://searchengineland.com/searc… |
Dec 22 20:14 |
| schestowitz |
Firrefox handles it OK and Thunderbird suddenly hates it, saying it’s not a valid feed…. Oh, never mind. |
Dec 22 20:15 |
| trmanco |
|
Dec 22 20:15 |
| schestowitz |
Sometimes it takes time to realise some feed moves or broke |
Dec 22 20:15 |
| trmanco |
http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/… |
Dec 22 20:16 |
| trmanco |
that is a funny image |
Dec 22 20:16 |
| schestowitz |
http://techdirt.com/articles/20081218… “The various banks on Wall Street have a bunch of problems that they’re dealing with right now, including getting rid of toxic assets on their balance sheet, properly compensating staff who are expecting big bonuses even in such a down year and figuring out ways to motivate staff to invest in good assets, even in such tough times.” |
Dec 22 20:32 |
| trmanco |
the Mono team has some more work to do -> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Prolong-the-Life-of-… |
Dec 22 20:38 |
| schestowitz |
They can apply for a job at Microsoft. |
Dec 22 20:38 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/12/rumor… |
Dec 22 20:44 |
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Dec 22 20:46 |
| trmanco |
Nix fixes dependency hell on all Linux distributions: http://www.linux.com/feature/155922 |
Dec 22 20:48 |
| trmanco |
on my 3 years of Linux I have never encountered a dependency hell |
Dec 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz |
I had that happen in SUSE 8.1 |
Dec 22 20:51 |
| trmanco |
how old is that? |
Dec 22 20:51 |
| trmanco |
oops http://tuxvermelho.blogspot.com/2008/1… |
Dec 22 20:53 |
| schestowitz |
Like 5 years or more |
Dec 22 20:53 |
| schestowitz |
late 2003, I thinl. |
Dec 22 20:53 |
| trmanco |
long time |
Dec 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz |
2 drivers next to it? http://tuxvermelho.blogspot.com/2008/12… |
Dec 22 20:58 |
| schestowitz |
In DistroWtach, over the past 7 days, Mint Linux got more pageviews than Ubuntu. |
Dec 22 21:00 |
| trmanco |
:O |
Dec 22 21:01 |
| trmanco |
Mint is good |
Dec 22 21:02 |
| trmanco |
its Ubuntu + a bunch of tweaks e less bloat, maybe |
Dec 22 21:02 |
| trmanco |
:o Microsoft Corp.’s developers missed a critical bug in Internet Explorer because they weren’t properly trained and didn’t have the right testing tools, a noted proponent of the company’s secure code development process acknowledged last week. |
Dec 22 21:06 |
| trmanco |
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?… |
Dec 22 21:06 |
| trmanco |
they weren’t trained c’mon |
Dec 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz |
Might be true. |
Dec 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz |
They lost their best hackers. |
Dec 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz |
http://boycottnovell.com/200… |
Dec 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz |
Second REF worth attention… ““With Alchin retiring, MarkL and MarkZ, two of the most talented architects in MS already having left, the picture gets really ugly for the Windows division,” my friend claimed, and the BV’s core team members, Ian McDonald, Jack Mayo, Todd Wanke, Clyde Rodriguez and others are starting to connect the dots.” |
Dec 22 21:09 |
| schestowitz |
“Despite Microsoft’s claims that Vista has sold well, consumers have reacted badly to its release.” http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology… |
Dec 22 21:10 |
| trmanco |
I missed that bbc article somehow |
Dec 22 21:15 |
| trmanco |
better be more careful next time a read my feeds |
Dec 22 21:15 |
| schestowitz |
http://uk.reuters.com/article/governmentFili… “Deployments of server computers are expected to slow, UBS said, with spending on Microsoft Corp (MSFT.O) Windows servers expected to grow 2 percent in 2009 after 3 percent in 2008, and open-source Linux server growth is set to be flat at 1 percent.” |
Dec 22 21:16 |
| schestowitz |
Since when does USB track server revenue? |
Dec 22 21:16 |
| schestowitz |
Also, revenue != share. |
Dec 22 21:16 |
| trmanco |
USB? LOL |
Dec 22 21:16 |
| schestowitz |
UBS |
Dec 22 21:16 |
| schestowitz |
Common typo for me… habits. |
Dec 22 21:16 |
| trmanco |
you got me there for a minute |
Dec 22 21:16 |
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Dec 22 21:22 |
| schestowitz |
wb, seller_liar |
Dec 22 21:27 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: hello roy |
Dec 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz |
Any news from the south? |
Dec 22 21:29 |
| seller_liar |
yes , one , wait a moment |
Dec 22 21:29 |
| seller_liar |
http://br-linux.org/2008/empresa-de-… |
Dec 22 21:30 |
| seller_liar |
m$ and affiliates uses piracy to attack companies |
Dec 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz |
As usual. |
Dec 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz |
They need money now, so they bully. |
Dec 22 21:31 |
| seller_liar |
But ,I have not find a english version |
Dec 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz |
http://searchengineland.com/searc… http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/12/rumors… |
Dec 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz |
http://pooteeweet.org/blog/0/1388#m1388 (My advice to the database division at Sun) |
Dec 22 21:33 |
| seller_liar |
Now , we have another proof against m$ , abramoff |
Dec 22 21:33 |
| seller_liar |
Now ,trolls does not to argument anymore |
Dec 22 21:34 |
| schestowitz |
Glad you found it useful. |
Dec 22 21:34 |
| schestowitz |
“It’s not appropriate for information such as sales records and other data that either fits well in a table or needs to be accessible for a long period of time. And it only works in Java.” http://gigaom.com/2008/12/18/terracotta-doesnt-w… |
Dec 22 21:34 |
| schestowitz |
Either way, it makes it hard for the hecklers to say with a straight face that Microsoft can and should be trusted. |
Dec 22 21:34 |
| seller_liar |
A final solution for mono problem is create a java implementation of .net |
Dec 22 21:39 |
| seller_liar |
licensed in lgplv3 |
Dec 22 21:39 |
| schestowitz |
How would that be a solution? |
Dec 22 21:40 |
| seller_liar |
this give more power to java platform and do not steals java developers |
Dec 22 21:41 |
| seller_liar |
lgplv3 provides more protection |
Dec 22 21:41 |
| seller_liar |
java can use .net libraries |
Dec 22 21:41 |
| seller_liar |
this is very important because some devs is changing from java to .net |
Dec 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz |
Java still dominates |
Dec 22 21:44 |
| MinceR |
an independent implementation could help too, couldn’t it? |
Dec 22 21:44 |
| MinceR |
(dotgnu) |
Dec 22 21:44 |
| schestowitz |
The issue is Novell helping Microsoft against Sun |
Dec 22 21:44 |
| seller_liar |
no |
Dec 22 21:44 |
| MinceR |
i don’t think java is such a sacred platform anyway :> |
Dec 22 21:44 |
| seller_liar |
because dotgnu does not permit to java use .net libraries |
Dec 22 21:44 |
| MinceR |
at least until they fix memory management in the jvm |
Dec 22 21:44 |
| seller_liar |
a java implementation of .net (like jython) can helps a lot |
Dec 22 21:45 |
| seller_liar |
for example , jython can mix python and java |
Dec 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz |
Sob stories from the Vole: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft… |
Dec 22 21:45 |
| seller_liar |
I like to see m$ ruining , but I don t like to see google to grow |
Dec 22 21:48 |
| MinceR |
same here |
Dec 22 21:50 |
| seller_liar |
The big problem in all companies is try to turn the “unique” company of universe |
Dec 22 21:51 |
| seller_liar |
Like intel, coca-cola and some Banks |
Dec 22 21:51 |
| seller_liar |
This is anti-capitalism |
Dec 22 21:52 |
| seller_liar |
A good number of companies provides harmony and good heterogene business |
Dec 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz |
But you have no regulation |
Dec 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz |
If you permit companies to set the rules, then soon they open the door to predatory capitalism that ends up a set of monopolies of shared monopolies (price fixing also) |
Dec 22 21:56 |
| seller_liar |
But companies should not to set the rules, |
Dec 22 21:57 |
| schestowitz |
Well, they do |
Dec 22 21:57 |
| seller_liar |
What I say is , is very important to have a heterogenous number of companies |
Dec 22 21:57 |
| seller_liar |
Monopolies is very destructive |
Dec 22 21:57 |
| seller_liar |
Oligopolies too |
Dec 22 21:58 |
| seller_liar |
We need variety , and choice |
Dec 22 21:58 |
| seller_liar |
But the real solution is very complex |
Dec 22 21:59 |
| schestowitz |
Against human nature? |
Dec 22 21:59 |
| seller_liar |
Yes |
Dec 22 22:00 |
| seller_liar |
People like to be “unique” and powerful |
Dec 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz |
Woohoo! http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&a… |
Dec 22 22:00 |
| seller_liar |
Like a leader in a tribal community |
Dec 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTe… (Red Hat profit tops Street forecast) |
Dec 22 22:01 |
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Dec 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: yes, tribe culture. |
Dec 22 22:15 |
| schestowitz |
It’s ‘in the blood’ so to speak. It would be nice to have another better creature — like Aliens — ‘manage’ us before we totally screw out the planet due to animal instincts that involve expansion and pissing on territories. The Amazon deforestation is a good example. |
Dec 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz |
OStatic is promoting former Microsoft employees+Mono: http://ostatic.com/blog/upgrade-mindtouc… |
Dec 22 22:19 |
| *seller_liar has quit (“seller_liar has no reason”) |
Dec 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz |
Mozilla CEO: Ties with Google ‘complicated’ since Chrome < http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?co… > |
Dec 22 22:54 |
| schestowitz |
http://aronzak.wordpress.com/2008/1… |
Dec 22 23:20 |
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Dec 22 23:30 |
| trmanco |
OpenSUSE 11.1: Evolution dependent on Mono: http://www.itwire.com/content/v… |
Dec 22 23:32 |
| trmanco |
and the [censored] begins |
Dec 22 23:35 |
| schestowitz |
Excellent. Now they owe me an apology (the Mono fans) |
Dec 22 23:35 |
| trmanco |
throw this into there faces |
Dec 22 23:36 |
| trmanco |
and see how they react |
Dec 22 23:36 |
| trmanco |
GNOME should be *cute* based |
Dec 22 23:37 |
| trmanco |
http://digg.com/linux_unix/OpenSUSE_11… |
Dec 22 23:39 |
| schestowitz |
Qt? |
Dec 22 23:40 |
| MinceR |
i prefer KMail anyway :> |
Dec 22 23:40 |
| schestowitz |
Mark S thought about itr. |
Dec 22 23:40 |
| trmanco |
yeah cute |
Dec 22 23:40 |
| MinceR |
http://www.myextralife.com/?p=10551 |
Dec 22 23:41 |
| schestowitz |
They’ll spin it I bet… saying that OpenSUSE made some mistake. We shall see.. |
Dec 22 23:42 |
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Dec 22 23:44 |
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Dec 22 23:44 |
| trmanco |
For Windows, 2008 Was a Roller Coaster: http://www.pcworld.com/article/155925/… |
Dec 22 23:45 |
| trmanco |
weeeee |
Dec 22 23:45 |
| schestowitz |
ndows |
Dec 22 23:47 |
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