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| mib_ieydxt | I am russia boy;)))) | Apr 08 20:56 |
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| wispygalaxy | BT is awesome when it comes to linux distros | Apr 08 20:56 |
| wispygalaxy | nice to meet you, russian boy | Apr 08 20:57 |
| schestowitz | NeonFloss: as long as it's not RIAA-infected | Apr 08 20:57 |
| NeonFloss | FMA you mean?> | Apr 08 20:57 |
| schestowitz | And keep track names in tact so that artists who embrace CC get attributed and recognised | Apr 08 20:57 |
| NeonFloss | yes | Apr 08 20:58 |
| mib_ieydxt | haerle ton malailar(tatar language) | Apr 08 20:58 |
| wispygalaxy | i have so many CDs; it's going to be a pain to upload them to my computer | Apr 08 20:59 |
| Balrog | mib_ieydxt: stick to english please | Apr 08 20:59 |
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| wispygalaxy | spiralfrog is gone | Apr 08 21:00 |
| Balrog | I see. | Apr 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | MAFIAA killed it | Apr 08 21:00 |
| wispygalaxy | i knew it wouldn't last, it was restrictive | Apr 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | So the sites claim anyway | Apr 08 21:00 |
| wispygalaxy | hmm | Apr 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | MAFIAA also kills some Internet radio businesses | Apr 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | MAFIAA too is dying | Apr 08 21:00 |
| wispygalaxy | we won't miss it! | Apr 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | It's trying to take down competition /with/ it | Apr 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | They sacked lots of people | Apr 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | 20% IIRC | Apr 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | A month or so ago | Apr 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Both RIAA and MPAA | Apr 08 21:01 |
| wispygalaxy | like MS with the layoffs? | Apr 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | MS also exed many units/services/products | Apr 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Quietly | Apr 08 21:01 |
| wispygalaxy | silent death :( | Apr 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | And contract workers | Apr 08 21:01 |
| wispygalaxy | how horrible | Apr 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | So more than 5k layoffs | Apr 08 21:01 |
| Balrog | yes, including many good products :/ | Apr 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Which good ones? | Apr 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Flight Sim? | Apr 08 21:02 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad is a contractor for a power station | Apr 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Windows drek | Apr 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | The cross-platform one will fill its place | Apr 08 21:02 |
| wispygalaxy | ms bob! | Apr 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Apr 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Bob got sacked | Apr 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | He was too fat | Apr 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | RAM | Apr 08 21:02 |
| Balrog | well, it wasn't always Windows-only... | Apr 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | And CPU-intensive | Apr 08 21:02 |
| wispygalaxy | bobby, get some exercise :P | Apr 08 21:02 |
| Balrog | their whole simulation division | Apr 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | He lived on as talking dog in WinXP | Apr 08 21:02 |
| Balrog | Bungie got pushed off | Apr 08 21:02 |
| wispygalaxy | arf | Apr 08 21:02 |
| NeonFloss | schestowitz: if you ever come across anytrhing I should post in the blog then tell me :P | Apr 08 21:03 |
| Balrog | the group behind Age of Empires | Apr 08 21:03 |
| Balrog | etc | Apr 08 21:03 |
| schestowitz | NeonFloss: sure! | Apr 08 21:03 |
| schestowitz | NeonFloss: in BN's daily links I put lots about copyrights | Apr 08 21:03 |
| NeonFloss | yea | Apr 08 21:03 |
| Balrog | (Bungie used to be a Mac developer, back in the day) | Apr 08 21:03 |
| NeonFloss | ive noticed | Apr 08 21:03 |
| schestowitz | There's less MSFT news, so I follow the death of MAFIAA too :-) | Apr 08 21:03 |
| wispygalaxy | it's said that projects *only* die under FOSS, but a lot die under proprietary means, too | Apr 08 21:03 |
| wispygalaxy | like MS bob | Apr 08 21:03 |
| Balrog | more die under proprietary means | Apr 08 21:03 |
| Balrog | at least more I've seen | Apr 08 21:03 |
| schestowitz | And siscontinued too | Apr 08 21:04 |
| Balrog | something that's FOSS can always be revived with some work | Apr 08 21:04 |
| schestowitz | No community to take over | Apr 08 21:04 |
| NeonFloss | schestowitz: if you by any miracle have time wed welcome a blog from you (though I doubt it because of all the hard work you put into your site and anti-drm etc) | Apr 08 21:04 |
| Balrog | look at 'abandonware' games and software | Apr 08 21:04 |
| wispygalaxy | FOSS SW will always be out there, no company can kill it | Apr 08 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Watch how Chandler was adopted by its community when funding from Kapor stopped | Apr 08 21:04 |
| Balrog | it may disappear, but it will always be somewhere ... I sometimes find stuff on archive.org | Apr 08 21:04 |
| schestowitz | NeonFloss: maybe in the second half of the year | Apr 08 21:05 |
| wispygalaxy | archive.org FTW | Apr 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Summer gets quieter | Apr 08 21:05 |
| wispygalaxy | and hotter | Apr 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Also good for Comes exhibits | Apr 08 21:05 |
| NeonFloss | :) | Apr 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Summer ain't so hot here. | Apr 08 21:05 |
| wispygalaxy | it is here; humidity | Apr 08 21:05 |
| wispygalaxy | NJ is so muggy :( | Apr 08 21:05 |
| Balrog | here it goes into the 90's ... sometimes 100 | Apr 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | But I get sunlight at home, which is good for mood | Apr 08 21:05 |
| Balrog | I'm in PA ... not too far away :) | Apr 08 21:05 |
| wispygalaxy | i went to AZ in the summer- it was 100 F but felt like 80 F in NJ | Apr 08 21:05 |
| Balrog | lol | Apr 08 21:06 |
| wispygalaxy | PA is cool- a lot of my pals live there | Apr 08 21:06 |
| Balrog | :) | Apr 08 21:06 |
| wispygalaxy | in philly | Apr 08 21:06 |
| wispygalaxy | or other cities | Apr 08 21:06 |
| Balrog | yes lol | Apr 08 21:06 |
| wispygalaxy | roy, i love sunny weather | Apr 08 21:06 |
| wispygalaxy | cloudy days suck | Apr 08 21:06 |
| wispygalaxy | i never want to live in cold areas | Apr 08 21:07 |
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| tacone | http://blog.canonical.com/?p=151 | Apr 08 21:07 |
| wispygalaxy | MS is trying to push linux around on netbooks | Apr 08 21:08 |
| wispygalaxy | ugh | Apr 08 21:08 |
| Balrog | of course. that's MS | Apr 08 21:08 |
| NeonFloss | schestowitz: im not working on anything right now, got any ideas for me? | Apr 08 21:08 |
| Balrog | wispygalaxy: got my PM? | Apr 08 21:11 |
| wispygalaxy | oh i didnt see it, sry balrog! | Apr 08 21:11 |
| wispygalaxy | *reading* | Apr 08 21:11 |
| werehedgehog | i'm tired of freenode channels that have ops | Apr 08 21:14 |
| schestowitz | NeonFloss: none in particular. We always appreciate translation of PDF exhibits into text | Apr 08 21:14 |
| werehedgehog | does this channel have an op? | Apr 08 21:15 |
| NeonFloss | :) | Apr 08 21:15 |
| werehedgehog | ? | Apr 08 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Not of much function | Apr 08 21:15 |
| Balrog | werehedgehog: look in the userlist! | Apr 08 21:15 |
| schestowitz | The ops do nothing different here. | Apr 08 21:15 |
| werehedgehog | @ before nick means op? | Apr 08 21:15 |
| werehedgehog | it's mirc | Apr 08 21:16 |
| werehedgehog | pirated one | Apr 08 21:16 |
| werehedgehog | just to use proxy | Apr 08 21:16 |
| Balrog | werehedgehog: why not X-Chat 2.0 or irssi? | Apr 08 21:16 |
| werehedgehog | xchat is shareware in windows | Apr 08 21:17 |
| Balrog | XCHAT 2.0 | Apr 08 21:17 |
| werehedgehog | irssi, i didn't hear of dat for windows | Apr 08 21:17 |
| Balrog | http://www.silverex.org/ | Apr 08 21:17 |
| Balrog | free/open source | Apr 08 21:17 |
| Balrog | it's an unofficial build | Apr 08 21:17 |
| Balrog | official build is shareware | Apr 08 21:17 |
| werehedgehog | so, local ops have something against torrents, cracking and talking that windows sucks hard? | Apr 08 21:18 |
| *werehedgehog is now known as __boo | Apr 08 21:18 | |
| Balrog | let me explain: cracking and "illegal" torrents aren't talked about much. | Apr 08 21:18 |
| Balrog | windows does suck. | Apr 08 21:18 |
| Balrog | but if there's foss, use foss | Apr 08 21:18 |
| wispygalaxy | FOSS is awesome | Apr 08 21:19 |
| wispygalaxy | it gives you freedom! | Apr 08 21:19 |
| __boo | what does it mean: "aren't talked about much?" | Apr 08 21:19 |
| __boo | is it against the rules? | Apr 08 21:19 |
| Balrog | sort of. Giving links to 'illegal' software isn't tolerated | Apr 08 21:19 |
| tacone | it gives you mono ! | Apr 08 21:19 |
| tacone | (ops) | Apr 08 21:19 |
| __boo | i hate windows but i use it at home and for gaming mostly | Apr 08 21:19 |
| wispygalaxy | when i discovered FOSS, i realized how trapped i was in the windows world | Apr 08 21:19 |
| wispygalaxy | ah gaming, a lot of people worry about that on linux | Apr 08 21:20 |
| __boo | Balrog, what do you mean by illegal? | Apr 08 21:20 |
| Balrog | __boo: gaming is the worst problem. Cedega can play a lot | Apr 08 21:20 |
| Balrog | links to torrents of cracked proprietary software | Apr 08 21:20 |
| __boo | i don't care what cedega can, it's payware | Apr 08 21:20 |
| Balrog | or even uncracked software that's normally sold | Apr 08 21:20 |
| Balrog | then use wine. | Apr 08 21:20 |
| __boo | let me explain how i look at windows | Apr 08 21:21 |
| __boo | it's stealing from people all over the world | Apr 08 21:21 |
| schestowitz | tacone: good news about mono | Apr 08 21:21 |
| __boo | and people can use it freely however they want | Apr 08 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Bad for mono that is | Apr 08 21:21 |
| __boo | to make anything they want | Apr 08 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Details coming soon. | Apr 08 21:21 |
| tacone | ? | Apr 08 21:21 |
| tacone | ! | Apr 08 21:21 |
| Balrog | but using 'pirated' software won't help. We need to get people off windows and onto FOSS | Apr 08 21:21 |
| Balrog | windows isn't FOSS | Apr 08 21:21 |
| tacone | which news ? | Apr 08 21:21 |
| tacone | lol | Apr 08 21:21 |
| __boo | Balrog it does't matter | Apr 08 21:22 |
| __boo | i'm on foss at work at least | Apr 08 21:22 |
| schestowitz | tacone: too busy ATM | Apr 08 21:22 |
| tacone | k | Apr 08 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Let me post Bn links first | Apr 08 21:22 |
| tacone | ok ok. | Apr 08 21:22 |
| wispygalaxy | things change, and certain software will not be king forever | Apr 08 21:22 |
| wispygalaxy | linux is making progress, and there is nothing that can kill it | Apr 08 21:22 |
| wispygalaxy | once you go foss you don't go back | Apr 08 21:23 |
| __boo | dude, i'm going foss a bit but i used msdos/mswindows too much | Apr 08 21:23 |
| schestowitz | tacone: short story: your news drove some of them nuts | Apr 08 21:23 |
| __boo | and developed for it | Apr 08 21:23 |
| schestowitz | You can run the same programs in GNU/Linux, using wine | Apr 08 21:24 |
| __boo | no | Apr 08 21:24 |
| __boo | you can't play recent games there | Apr 08 21:24 |
| wispygalaxy | well, maybe people with windows skills need to realize that there are other important skills too | Apr 08 21:24 |
| schestowitz | It's a layer that runs all your win32-compiled apps | Apr 08 21:24 |
| __boo | almost all of them have big flaws | Apr 08 21:24 |
| MinceR | not all of them | Apr 08 21:24 |
| wispygalaxy | in the tech world, one cannot stick with one set of skills forever | Apr 08 21:24 |
| __boo | sure | Apr 08 21:24 |
| schestowitz | __boo: http://wubi-installer.org/ | Apr 08 21:24 |
| __boo | 'cause there're no standartization | Apr 08 21:24 |
| MinceR | some apps work with wine, some don't | Apr 08 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Put it on a second partition | Apr 08 21:25 |
| __boo | schestowitz, it's win64 here | Apr 08 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Very simple | Apr 08 21:25 |
| wispygalaxy | standardization did help with the internet in the '90s | Apr 08 21:25 |
| schestowitz | __boo: that's fine | Apr 08 21:25 |
| wispygalaxy | it was difficult back then to connect computers | Apr 08 21:25 |
| __boo | ah, wubi is a windows installer of windows | Apr 08 21:25 |
| __boo | i already have linux | Apr 08 21:25 |
| __boo | lol, linux installer of windows* | Apr 08 21:25 |
| wispygalaxy | what distro, _boo? | Apr 08 21:25 |
| __boo | i told ya already | Apr 08 21:26 |
| wispygalaxy | oh i didnt see it | Apr 08 21:26 |
| __boo | is it safe to talk here if you avoid bans and other stuff? | Apr 08 21:26 |
| __boo | mostly due to ##windows and #defocus | Apr 08 21:26 |
| wispygalaxy | i guess you can chat here if you want | Apr 08 21:26 |
| __boo | #defocus is the same ##windows | Apr 08 21:26 |
| wispygalaxy | oh i see | Apr 08 21:27 |
| __boo | i'm iwmw, werehedgehog | Apr 08 21:27 |
| __boo | boo, plenty of other nicks | Apr 08 21:27 |
| __boo | it's mandriva 2009.1 rc1 | Apr 08 21:27 |
| wispygalaxy | im wispygalaxy or wispy | Apr 08 21:27 |
| wispygalaxy | mandriva is a fine distro | Apr 08 21:27 |
| Balrog | __boo: wubi installs linux inside windows. It creates an image file and a bootsect.bin-style file that is added to the bootloader configuration file. So you can run Linux without repartitioning | Apr 08 21:27 |
| Balrog | I'm just Balrog | Apr 08 21:28 |
| MinceR | apparently anyone can talk here, even creatures like DaemonFC ;) | Apr 08 21:28 |
| MinceR | so don't feel too bad about that | Apr 08 21:28 |
| Balrog | hrm yeah. Though they sometimes get kicked. | Apr 08 21:28 |
| wispygalaxy | i know one person from Digg who uses mandriva with elderly people, and they have little trouble with it | Apr 08 21:28 |
| Balrog | be careful with links though. This isn't a warez channel | Apr 08 21:28 |
| __boo | Balrog, i know that, i was searching for linux inside windows and wubi wasn't the case | Apr 08 21:28 |
| __boo | it doesn't support win x64 | Apr 08 21:28 |
| *MinceR installs the latest Mandriva With Elderly Peopleâ⢠| Apr 08 21:28 | |
| MinceR | ;) | Apr 08 21:28 |
| __boo | oh | Apr 08 21:28 |
| wispygalaxy | hehe | Apr 08 21:28 |
| __boo | that was andlinux | Apr 08 21:29 |
| Balrog | __boo: XP x64 or vista? | Apr 08 21:29 |
| __boo | xp x64 | Apr 08 21:29 |
| __boo | i would never install vista | Apr 08 21:29 |
| __boo | neither win7 | Apr 08 21:29 |
| __boo | they developed drm way too much | Apr 08 21:29 |
| __boo | in xp it's inexistant | Apr 08 21:29 |
| __boo | almost | Apr 08 21:29 |
| wispygalaxy | more freedom, less drm | Apr 08 21:30 |
| Balrog | __boo: using xp x64 isn't very good. Driver support is horrible | Apr 08 21:30 |
| wispygalaxy | my family's desktop with XP was fried thanks to XP | Apr 08 21:30 |
| Balrog | and Wubi works fine on Windows x64 | Apr 08 21:30 |
| Balrog | according to reports | Apr 08 21:30 |
| wispygalaxy | my high school files are still on that desktop haha | Apr 08 21:31 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad never got around to recovering the files | Apr 08 21:31 |
| __boo | Balrog, i've got every driver i need | Apr 08 21:31 |
| Balrog | boot with knoppix and copy to a flash drive | Apr 08 21:31 |
| Balrog | __boo: also application support is terrible | Apr 08 21:31 |
| __boo | yeah | Apr 08 21:31 |
| __boo | considering games | Apr 08 21:31 |
| __boo | plenty of good games are for winx32 only | Apr 08 21:32 |
| Balrog | yes. | Apr 08 21:32 |
| Balrog | though they work fine in Vista x64 | Apr 08 21:32 |
| __boo | no | Apr 08 21:32 |
| Balrog | yes, they do. I've run it | Apr 08 21:32 |
| Balrog | (in the past) | Apr 08 21:32 |
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| __boo | antistarforce of course released yet another version | Apr 08 21:32 |
| __boo | that cracks vista x64 as well | Apr 08 21:33 |
| mib_kjn0qz | YOU ALL SUCK MICROBALLS | Apr 08 21:33 |
| Balrog | starforce is annoying | Apr 08 21:33 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: do something about mib_kjn0qz | Apr 08 21:33 |
| MinceR | mib_kjn0qz: die in a fire | Apr 08 21:33 |
| __boo | mib_kjn0qz, you're right, that's why you better go to lick ##windows ops balls | Apr 08 21:33 |
| wispygalaxy | troll | Apr 08 21:33 |
| Balrog | yes, troll | Apr 08 21:33 |
| __boo | he doesn't need to, Balrog? | Apr 08 21:34 |
| wispygalaxy | why do mean people think it's funny to bother people in a channel?? | Apr 08 21:34 |
| __boo | that mibbit troll has no sense ova here | Apr 08 21:34 |
| Balrog | __boo: is there starforce 'removal' stuff? | Apr 08 21:34 |
| MinceR | perhaps he believes his identity to be hidden | Apr 08 21:34 |
| __boo | you can delete it yourself | Apr 08 21:34 |
| __boo | mibbit provides ip of user | Apr 08 21:34 |
| tacone | schestowitz: lol, my news | Apr 08 21:35 |
| Balrog | so it's much like CSS stripping? | Apr 08 21:35 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 08 21:35 |
| tacone | ok, i look forward to read it :) | Apr 08 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: strike one :-) | Apr 08 21:35 |
| __boo | Balrog, you mean removal of antistarforce driver or removal of starforce? | Apr 08 21:35 |
| wispygalaxy | wb, roy ;) | Apr 08 21:35 |
| Balrog | if I own a CD or DVD, I want to be able to use it as I see fit :) | Apr 08 21:35 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: I'm doing links. | Apr 08 21:36 |
| Balrog | (for myself) | Apr 08 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Still reading | Apr 08 21:36 |
| wispygalaxy | ok, busy boy :) | Apr 08 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Apr 08 21:36 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: if it doesn't work on my x64 computer because of DRM, the DRM has to go. | Apr 08 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Just ensuring I don't lose track | Apr 08 21:36 |
| wispygalaxy | good to stay on schedule | Apr 08 21:36 |
| __boo | Balrog, starforce driver is replaced with antistarforce driver and that's all | Apr 08 21:36 |
| Balrog | I see. | Apr 08 21:36 |
| schestowitz | No schedule.. it's a hobby | Apr 08 21:36 |
| __boo | but it exists only for x32 and vista x64 | Apr 08 21:36 |
| wispygalaxy | ah i see roy | Apr 08 21:36 |
| Balrog | makes sense. | Apr 08 21:37 |
| __boo | no winxp x64 | Apr 08 21:37 |
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| wispygalaxy | i need schedules or else i lose track of time | Apr 08 21:37 |
| Balrog | remember the Sony BMG mess? | Apr 08 21:37 |
| wispygalaxy | i kinda do | Apr 08 21:38 |
| __boo | sony autoinstall from cd? | Apr 08 21:38 |
| Balrog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext... | Apr 08 21:38 |
| Balrog | very very evil | Apr 08 21:38 |
| wispygalaxy | oh yeah, the rootkit debacle | Apr 08 21:38 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't even listen to mainstream labels | Apr 08 21:38 |
| wispygalaxy | they can't get me | Apr 08 21:38 |
| __boo | ooow... i can't read about drm anymore | Apr 08 21:38 |
| Balrog | heh, I get CDs used :) | Apr 08 21:39 |
| __boo | it makes me puke | Apr 08 21:39 |
| wispygalaxy | me too | Apr 08 21:39 |
| wispygalaxy | from fye | Apr 08 21:39 |
| wispygalaxy | $.99 to $7.99 is usually the price range there | Apr 08 21:39 |
| Balrog | funny thing is that those CD's with rootkits didn't have any protection for Mac or especially Linux | Apr 08 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | i find some rare stuff there that i never thought would end up in the US (rare international stuff) | Apr 08 21:40 |
| __boo | i just can't afford myself physically to install vista or win7 | Apr 08 21:40 |
| Balrog | so a Mac or Linux user could 'pirate' them easily. | Apr 08 21:40 |
| __boo | 'cause i will puke | Apr 08 21:40 |
| __boo | even though i partly wanted to | Apr 08 21:40 |
| __boo | just to play games | Apr 08 21:40 |
| Balrog | __boo: you mean $ ? Use a second HDD if you can afford it | Apr 08 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | linux is easier to install, imo | Apr 08 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | debian was a breeze, believe it or not | Apr 08 21:40 |
| Balrog | dual-boot Linux and Windows | Apr 08 21:40 |
| __boo | Balrog, i already got 5 hds | Apr 08 21:40 |
| __boo | hdds | Apr 08 21:40 |
| __boo | and >1tb | Apr 08 21:40 |
| wispygalaxy | wow! | Apr 08 21:40 |
| Balrog | hrrrmmmm | Apr 08 21:41 |
| __boo | but i can't afford myself it physically | Apr 08 21:41 |
| __boo | 'cause it makes me puke | Apr 08 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | do it, then you can brag about how you survived the experience :P | Apr 08 21:41 |
| __boo | it's just against my freedom loving entity | Apr 08 21:41 |
| wispygalaxy | embrace freedom! | Apr 08 21:41 |
| __boo | i know that our russian hackers or whoever else will just crack that win7 drm | Apr 08 21:41 |
| __boo | or anything that's concerned | Apr 08 21:42 |
| __boo | and everybody will use win7 and get updates | Apr 08 21:42 |
| Balrog | __boo: they may crack activation and WGA | Apr 08 21:42 |
| __boo | i know | Apr 08 21:42 |
| __boo | but do you need wga | Apr 08 21:42 |
| Balrog | but they won't remove the DRM embedded deeper | Apr 08 21:42 |
| __boo | crack | Apr 08 21:42 |
| Balrog | like the file copy stuff | Apr 08 21:42 |
| Balrog | &c | Apr 08 21:42 |
| __boo | may be... in either case... it's last windows that i'm using | Apr 08 21:42 |
| wispygalaxy | my last windows was vista | Apr 08 21:44 |
| Balrog | XP should be the last windows you're using :D | Apr 08 21:44 |
| __boo | it's xp x64 | Apr 08 21:44 |
| __boo | pro | Apr 08 21:44 |
| __boo | pirated | Apr 08 21:44 |
| Balrog | __boo: I use the windows that comes with the computer | Apr 08 21:44 |
| Balrog | or at least the install key | Apr 08 21:44 |
| Balrog | or the MSDN copy they give me | Apr 08 21:44 |
| Balrog | (which I can't avoid paying for indirectly) :( | Apr 08 21:45 |
| __boo | may be police in your country cares about it too much | Apr 08 21:45 |
| __boo | here it's not | Apr 08 21:45 |
| __boo | (russia) and you can install at home whatever you want | Apr 08 21:45 |
| Balrog | watch out, they're cracking down | Apr 08 21:45 |
| Balrog | __boo: that may be true, but that prevents FOSS from making way | Apr 08 21:45 |
| Balrog | people like you get hooked on Windows, then when they crack down, they have no choice | Apr 08 21:46 |
| __boo | you just don't understand how things go here | Apr 08 21:46 |
| Balrog | I've read a lot | Apr 08 21:46 |
| __boo | it's all bs | Apr 08 21:46 |
| *zer0c00l has quit ("halt") | Apr 08 21:46 | |
| __boo | 95% use windows here | Apr 08 21:46 |
| Balrog | piracy is the first step. Then they crack down, and you're outta luck | Apr 08 21:46 |
| __boo | and they don't even imagine what linux is | Apr 08 21:46 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: care to comment? | Apr 08 21:46 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope foss will win in various countries | Apr 08 21:46 |
| wispygalaxy | poor children will not become addicted to MS software | Apr 08 21:47 |
| __boo | so you just don't get a job unless you use windows | Apr 08 21:47 |
| __boo | yeah, wispygalaxy | Apr 08 21:47 |
| __boo | they are made to get addicted to it since school | Apr 08 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | well, i know spreadsheet software and word processing | Apr 08 21:47 |
| silentivm | here in Brazil, most people have a bad image of Linux | Apr 08 21:47 |
| silentivm | they think that it "is an operating system with no GUI" | Apr 08 21:47 |
| __boo | educational program is designed for windows here | Apr 08 21:47 |
| wispygalaxy | using OO is no different compared to Word, just more freedom! | Apr 08 21:47 |
| silentivm | __boo, here too | Apr 08 21:47 |
| Balrog | using oo is better than word 07 for word 03 users :) | Apr 08 21:48 |
| Balrog | bbl | Apr 08 21:48 |
| __boo | windows is kinda enlisted as the only os to teach | Apr 08 21:48 |
| wispygalaxy | k balrog | Apr 08 21:48 |
| wispygalaxy | but things can change! | Apr 08 21:48 |
| silentivm | most universities will not allow you to even apply with them if you don't use IE | Apr 08 21:48 |
| wispygalaxy | Firefox is accepted here | Apr 08 21:48 |
| __boo | wtf | Apr 08 21:48 |
| silentivm | pages don't open, forms don't print etc.. | Apr 08 21:48 |
| silentivm | wispygalaxy, here it isn't | Apr 08 21:48 |
| silentivm | many people still use IE 6 | Apr 08 21:48 |
| wispygalaxy | brazil loves red hat | Apr 08 21:48 |
| tacone | the milan's university i was subscribed to | Apr 08 21:48 |
| tacone | uses dual boot windows/ubuntu this year. | Apr 08 21:48 |
| wispygalaxy | i hear about it all the time | Apr 08 21:48 |
| silentivm | wispygalaxy, yep | Apr 08 21:49 |
| __boo | i use ie6 but banned it from internet | Apr 08 21:49 |
| silentivm | but *the government* loves Linux... most people hate it | Apr 08 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | ahhh, memories of IE6 | Apr 08 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | hate? but the average person does not know of it | Apr 08 21:49 |
| tacone | with professors using Fedora. And pushing students to install linux otherwise "I'm not sure I can help you, since i don't know windows so much" | Apr 08 21:49 |
| __boo | yeah... government loves linux but enforces m$ rules | Apr 08 21:49 |
| wispygalaxy | b/c of no advertising | Apr 08 21:49 |
| __boo | i heard about it | Apr 08 21:49 |
| __boo | it's everywhere | Apr 08 21:49 |
| silentivm | wispygalaxy, sometimes they know but hate it even if they don't know much about it | Apr 08 21:49 |
| __boo | here in russia even government doesn't like linux | Apr 08 21:50 |
| silentivm | someone told them "Linux is for nerds" | Apr 08 21:50 |
| silentivm | they faithfully believed | Apr 08 21:50 |
| __boo | they use pirated windows | Apr 08 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | well, i hope netbooks will open people's eyes that linux is a great alternative | Apr 08 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | linux is not for nerds only haha | Apr 08 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | im a finance major, and i can use it easily | Apr 08 21:50 |
| silentivm | yep | Apr 08 21:50 |
| wispygalaxy | im no techie *at all* | Apr 08 21:50 |
| tacone | if they keep choosing xandros, then i think it will be hard :) | Apr 08 21:50 |
| silentivm | but try and tell this to people | Apr 08 21:50 |
| silentivm | they don't want to learn anything new | Apr 08 21:50 |
| __boo | people don't wanna learn = rule | Apr 08 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | well, the gui is improving and it looks fab | Apr 08 21:51 |
| silentivm | they want (their pirated copies) of Windows/Office/Photoshop/whatever is the current cool game or app and they want it NOW | Apr 08 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | new generation of computer users always are arriving, why not teach them linux? | Apr 08 21:51 |
| __boo | silentivm, i just discovered one netbook at my workplace | Apr 08 21:51 |
| __boo | it's full of pirated windows stuff | Apr 08 21:51 |
| wispygalaxy | the kids my age are open minded, they are embracing mac and to some extent linux | Apr 08 21:51 |
| __boo | all that you mentioned and much more | Apr 08 21:52 |
| __boo | it's about 15000$ at least | Apr 08 21:52 |
| tacone | piracy doesn't exist | Apr 08 21:52 |
| __boo | of sw | Apr 08 21:52 |
| tacone | piracy = windows trial version. | Apr 08 21:52 |
| __boo | and noone even gonna use that all | Apr 08 21:52 |
| silentivm | __boo, same here | Apr 08 21:52 |
| silentivm | it's just too easy to buy pirated copies here | Apr 08 21:52 |
| silentivm | and nobody cares | Apr 08 21:52 |
| __boo | pirated copys? | Apr 08 21:52 |
| silentivm | yep | Apr 08 21:52 |
| __boo | torrents and other sources | Apr 08 21:52 |
| balzac | wispygalaxy: GNU and linux | Apr 08 21:53 |
| wispygalaxy | hi balzac | Apr 08 21:53 |
| silentivm | __boo, yes, but people here tend to buy cheap ($1) pirated CDs | Apr 08 21:53 |
| balzac | unless you mean just the kernel... | Apr 08 21:53 |
| balzac | hi wispygalaxy | Apr 08 21:53 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah, i call linux 'linux' but i know it should be gnu/linux | Apr 08 21:53 |
| __boo | silentivm, here in russia cops visit that places from time to time | Apr 08 21:53 |
| __boo | where pirated software or smth is solf | Apr 08 21:53 |
| __boo | sold | Apr 08 21:53 |
| silentivm | __boo, here in Brazil too, but the police doesn't care at all | Apr 08 21:53 |
| silentivm | in fact, I once saw a policeman buying pirated stuff! | Apr 08 21:54 |
| __boo | and then those discs become about 2$-3$-4$ each | Apr 08 21:54 |
| tacone | schestowitz: by the way, the TomBoy=>c++ post is having a lot of visits. considering I didn't got linked by major publishers, it really shows people care about the Mono problem. | Apr 08 21:54 |
| silentivm | (a pirated movie DVD, but still) | Apr 08 21:54 |
| __boo | silentivm, where do you lve? | Apr 08 21:54 |
| wispygalaxy | my sister's friend's dad got a pirated justin timberlake CD from china for $1 | Apr 08 21:54 |
| __boo | live | Apr 08 21:54 |
| silentivm | __boo, south of Brazil | Apr 08 21:54 |
| __boo | lol | Apr 08 21:54 |
| wispygalaxy | it had his greatest hits :P | Apr 08 21:54 |
| __boo | you don't imagine what cops think about it here | Apr 08 21:54 |
| __boo | they take that pirated production | Apr 08 21:54 |
| silentivm | I live in this city -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wi... | Apr 08 21:55 |
| __boo | take all the disks that they want in their private usage | Apr 08 21:55 |
| __boo | and then burn the trash | Apr 08 21:55 |
| silentivm | __boo, same here | Apr 08 21:55 |
| __boo | and i'm not against it | Apr 08 21:55 |
| __boo | they can't learn linux | Apr 08 21:55 |
| __boo | they are too dumb for that | Apr 08 21:55 |
| wispygalaxy | linux isn't hard at all! | Apr 08 21:55 |
| __boo | you didn't see them | Apr 08 21:56 |
| silentivm | no, it isn't if you're willing to learn | Apr 08 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | we shouldn't underestimate people | Apr 08 21:56 |
| silentivm | but if you aren't, anything is hard | Apr 08 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | we judge people on what we see on the outside | Apr 08 21:56 |
| __boo | did you see cellphone robbers or some guys that just want to take something from you? | Apr 08 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | and think they are a certain way | Apr 08 21:56 |
| __boo | in the middle of the darkened street | Apr 08 21:56 |
| __boo | that's =cops | Apr 08 21:56 |
| wispygalaxy | pickpockets? | Apr 08 21:56 |
| __boo | just without law | Apr 08 21:57 |
| wispygalaxy | oh i see lol | Apr 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: they don't crack down much in Russia | Apr 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Linux is taking off there, so they turn a blind eye and make very little profit | Apr 08 21:57 |
| __boo | they don't crack down almost at all | Apr 08 21:57 |
| wispygalaxy | in pakistan at the airports, guys will snatch your luggage and to get it back you have to pay them $20 | Apr 08 21:57 |
| __boo | those guys are braindead | Apr 08 21:57 |
| __boo | they barely can click on icons in windows | Apr 08 21:57 |
| silentivm | __boo, same here | Apr 08 21:57 |
| silentivm | crackdowns are occasional | Apr 08 21:57 |
| silentivm | and random | Apr 08 21:57 |
| wispygalaxy | technology is increasingly important, so people will have more and more computer skills | Apr 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | tacone: more and more universities dual-boot now | Apr 08 21:58 |
| schestowitz | In the UK too | Apr 08 21:58 |
| wispygalaxy | as a result, learning computers will not be as hard | Apr 08 21:58 |
| wispygalaxy | like linux | Apr 08 21:58 |
| __boo | yeah, they teach linux in university now | Apr 08 21:58 |
| balzac | GNU and linux | Apr 08 21:58 |
| balzac | GNU and linux | Apr 08 21:58 |
| tacone | schestowitz: well, italy is not uk :) | Apr 08 21:58 |
| __boo | but it's about half a year 1 subject | Apr 08 21:58 |
| silentivm | most people here don't even care about alternatives, they just want the software "which the professionals use", even if they know nothing about it nor have any use for it | Apr 08 21:58 |
| wispygalaxy | haha balzac | Apr 08 21:58 |
| balzac | Roy, maybe you can add a bot which can correct people | Apr 08 21:58 |
| wispygalaxy | maybe the professional will change software to better alternatives | Apr 08 21:59 |
| balzac | you know it bugs RMS and Linus loves it | Apr 08 21:59 |
| wispygalaxy | once they learn about foss | Apr 08 21:59 |
| silentivm | I hope so | Apr 08 21:59 |
| wispygalaxy | haha the beef between them | Apr 08 21:59 |
| balzac | "linux, linux, linux" | Apr 08 21:59 |
| __boo | what linux? it's kinda the only alternative nowadays | Apr 08 22:00 |
| schestowitz | tacone: UK will be last to become free | Apr 08 22:00 |
| __boo | to all that proprietary stuff | Apr 08 22:00 |
| wispygalaxy | there are many distros | Apr 08 22:00 |
| schestowitz | But I see good news from ther toda | Apr 08 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Also a petition | Apr 08 22:00 |
| wispygalaxy | you can't have enough of distros | Apr 08 22:00 |
| balzac | wispygalaxy: Linus is the one with the problem | Apr 08 22:00 |
| tacone | schestowitz: uk has the companies as a problem. italy has ignorance as a problem. | Apr 08 22:00 |
| wispygalaxy | just like my sister can't have enough of purses :P | Apr 08 22:00 |
| schestowitz | balzac: that would not work | Apr 08 22:01 |
| wispygalaxy | haha linus is funny | Apr 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | It would enter endless rcursions | Apr 08 22:01 |
| balzac | RMS has been consistent, but this snot-nosed kid from Scandinavia somehow gets the credit for his life's work | Apr 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Like if you write "GNU/Linux" | Apr 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Then it expands | Apr 08 22:01 |
| balzac | -snot-nosed | Apr 08 22:01 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks rms for all you did for us | Apr 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | "Linux is from Finland" | Apr 08 22:01 |
| balzac | "this guy" | Apr 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | "Created by a young man" | Apr 08 22:01 |
| wispygalaxy | props | Apr 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, that's not the point | Apr 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Better to work together | Apr 08 22:02 |
| balzac | Did people forget Karl Marx after the Bolshelvik revolution? | Apr 08 22:02 |
| balzac | no | Apr 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | RMS will get justice if "Linux" wins | Apr 08 22:02 |
| MinceR | only if GNU/Linux wins, not android | Apr 08 22:02 |
| balzac | schestowitz: not if it's just the linux kernel with GNU user-space stripped out as you see with Android | Apr 08 22:02 |
| wispygalaxy | linux already did, on many things ;) | Apr 08 22:02 |
| __boo | balzac, commie revolution wasn't about carl marx | Apr 08 22:02 |
| tacone | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Apr-07.html embrace and extend ?!?!? | Apr 08 22:02 |
| wispygalaxy | marx didnt invent communism | Apr 08 22:03 |
| wispygalaxy | communism was inspired by marx | Apr 08 22:03 |
| __boo | it was not about communism at all | Apr 08 22:03 |
| __boo | that revolution | Apr 08 22:03 |
| balzac | what is up with all these punk-ass guys who want to bury RMS, decades before he's even reached retirement age? | Apr 08 22:03 |
| wispygalaxy | poor rms | Apr 08 22:03 |
| balzac | __boo: nevermind that, it's just a point to consider. | Apr 08 22:03 |
| __boo | the point is that interests interfered | Apr 08 22:04 |
| __boo | of jews and germany | Apr 08 22:04 |
| __boo | during ww1 | Apr 08 22:04 |
| __boo | jews had a way to put russia to knees | Apr 08 22:04 |
| balzac | well, if these guys need to be reminded, who is the living "legend" who has status above them, they can be reminded. | Apr 08 22:04 |
| __boo | and germany had a way to implement it | Apr 08 22:04 |
| __boo | = communism | Apr 08 22:04 |
| __boo | and revolution | Apr 08 22:04 |
| balzac | __boo: let's not make this about ethnicity | Apr 08 22:04 |
| balzac | or religion | Apr 08 22:05 |
| balzac | it's about software licenses | Apr 08 22:05 |
| __boo | judaism is not religion | Apr 08 22:05 |
| balzac | and jokers who try to ignore them | Apr 08 22:05 |
| __boo | judaism is not a religion at all | Apr 08 22:05 |
| __boo | it's a sect | Apr 08 22:05 |
| balzac | __boo: I'm not interested | Apr 08 22:05 |
| trmanco | hey hey | Apr 08 22:05 |
| wispygalaxy | heyyy tony! | Apr 08 22:05 |
| wispygalaxy | how was spain? | Apr 08 22:06 |
| trmanco | very good, thanks for asking | Apr 08 22:06 |
| __boo | the only thing is that this joke went too far | Apr 08 22:06 |
| wispygalaxy | np tony :) | Apr 08 22:06 |
| wispygalaxy | i wish i was at the beach now | Apr 08 22:06 |
| trmanco | I'm sick now though... :( | Apr 08 22:06 |
| __boo | for 70 years | Apr 08 22:06 |
| wispygalaxy | awww get well soon1 | Apr 08 22:07 |
| wispygalaxy | soon!* | Apr 08 22:07 |
| tacone | for the laugh http://bglinux.com/default.aspx | Apr 08 22:07 |
| trmanco | thanks | Apr 08 22:07 |
| wispygalaxy | :) | Apr 08 22:07 |
| wispygalaxy | haha tacone | Apr 08 22:07 |
| __boo | wow | Apr 08 22:07 |
| balzac | One should not try to explain their idea of a given ethnicity/sect/cultural-group as it relates to WW1 & WW2 in a few lines on irc | Apr 08 22:07 |
| balzac | in a software channel | Apr 08 22:07 |
| *balzac trout-slaps __boo | Apr 08 22:08 | |
| __boo | balzac i can explain it | Apr 08 22:08 |
| balzac | don't bother | Apr 08 22:08 |
| balzac | wrong channel | Apr 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | wtf is that | Apr 08 22:08 |
| *__boo beats Balrog | Apr 08 22:08 | |
| __boo | wow | Apr 08 22:08 |
| balzac | missed | Apr 08 22:08 |
| *__boo beats balzac | Apr 08 22:08 | |
| __boo | not missed now | Apr 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | bglinux wtf | Apr 08 22:08 |
| __boo | the reasons are not that hard to explain and to understand | Apr 08 22:09 |
| __boo | but the schemes used are rather hard | Apr 08 22:09 |
| balzac | __boo: software. | Apr 08 22:09 |
| balzac | GNU & Linux, not "linux" | Apr 08 22:09 |
| balzac | that is all. | Apr 08 22:09 |
| __boo | that's why almost noone believes it XD | Apr 08 22:09 |
| wispygalaxy | it's too much to type, though: gnu/linux | Apr 08 22:10 |
| wispygalaxy | im being lazy :P | Apr 08 22:10 |
| balzac | better to just call it "GNU" | Apr 08 22:10 |
| wispygalaxy | but i agree with you, balzac | Apr 08 22:10 |
| balzac | rather than the driver code clear-house known as the "Linux Kernel" | Apr 08 22:10 |
| balzac | clearing-house | Apr 08 22:10 |
| __boo | since which version linux supported modules? | Apr 08 22:11 |
| trmanco | Ubuntu accuses Microsoft of Linux netbook FUD: http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_a... | Apr 08 22:11 |
| wispygalaxy | do they make linux popcorn? | Apr 08 22:11 |
| wispygalaxy | since they have the kernel and all | Apr 08 22:11 |
| __boo | noo | Apr 08 22:11 |
| wispygalaxy | i know its spelled differently lol | Apr 08 22:11 |
| tacone | trmanco: i gave the link before. | Apr 08 22:12 |
| wispygalaxy | id buy linux popcorn, since i know it's 100% real and not fake stuff | Apr 08 22:12 |
| trmanco | tacone, ah ok | Apr 08 22:12 |
| __boo | the first versions in my understanding didn't have an ability to load external modules | Apr 08 22:12 |
| tacone | http://blog.canonical.com/?p=151 | Apr 08 22:12 |
| balzac | It's people who refer to GNU as "Linux" who might drive me to use GNU/BSD, just so I can be free of hearing "Linux, Linux, Linux" all day long in reference to GNU. | Apr 08 22:12 |
| balzac | well, at least when I'm asked what I'm using, I'll have an answer which will shut their pie-holes. | Apr 08 22:13 |
| wispygalaxy | i need to type gnu/linux hundreds of times so it will sticj with me | Apr 08 22:13 |
| wispygalaxy | stick* | Apr 08 22:13 |
| tacone | trmanco: i blogged it myself also. but nice that cw noticed as well | Apr 08 22:13 |
| MinceR | or because you're just a closet bsd fanboy. :> | Apr 08 22:13 |
| wispygalaxy | debian can use the bsd kernel, right? | Apr 08 22:13 |
| balzac | yep | Apr 08 22:13 |
| __boo | really?? | Apr 08 22:14 |
| MinceR | they can, i just don't know why they'd want to | Apr 08 22:14 |
| wispygalaxy | choice can lead to cool variations, remember this | Apr 08 22:14 |
| __boo | is bsd kernel 100% compatible? | Apr 08 22:14 |
| wispygalaxy | if you don't like a certain kernel, you can switch it | Apr 08 22:14 |
| schestowitz | *ping* tacone | Apr 08 22:14 |
| tacone | trmanco: nice link, updating my post | Apr 08 22:15 |
| tacone | schestowitz: pong. | Apr 08 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Apr 08 22:15 |
| wispygalaxy | can i play too, roy? ;) | Apr 08 22:15 |
| MinceR | i don't know if the bsd kernels work with glibc | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> lol, this is getting fun | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> poor directhex | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> this really rubbed him the wrong way | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> :-) | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> don't worry about it, he's just acting desperate | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> "swathes of major copyright violations" | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> heh, this guy's on crack | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> what once were major copyright violations, they now became minor procedural mistakes | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> if at all | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> where? | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> mono? | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> gnote | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> they didn't like that it was relicensed to GPLv3 apparently :-) | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Haha. | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> which is perfectly legal | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> competition too tough | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> yep | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> If it's .NET and the license sacks, it'll be forked | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> That's freedom | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Community takes over | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> can you try give some more push to gnote? if it gets more contributors and gains momentum, it could possibly replace tomboy in default desktops | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> I noticed because of your site | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> but Hub is working on a f-spot replacement too | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> (not ready yet) | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> :-)_ | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Sure. | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> it made linuxtoday homepage | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | <anon> great | Apr 08 22:15 |
| trmanco | ;) | Apr 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | That's the short story | Apr 08 22:15 |
| trmanco | who is Hub? | Apr 08 22:16 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i also should note, the Mono Instant Messenger... it's GPL3 | Apr 08 22:16 |
| __boo | what was linus's problem to accept gpl3? | Apr 08 22:16 |
| MinceR | who's distributing it? | Apr 08 22:16 |
| wispygalaxy | linus likes gpl2 i hear | Apr 08 22:17 |
| __boo | but why he doesn't like gpl3? | Apr 08 22:17 |
| MinceR | perhaps he wants to allow tivoization | Apr 08 22:17 |
| __boo | tivoization... | Apr 08 22:17 |
| tacone | someone convince wordpress to switch to gpl3. it's being distributed by ms. | Apr 08 22:17 |
| MinceR | or he doesn't really prefer either, he just considers that it will take a lot of time to move everything in the kernel to gplv3 | Apr 08 22:17 |
| balzac | tacone: try sovix | Apr 08 22:18 |
| balzac | agpl-licensed | Apr 08 22:18 |
| MinceR | so, who's distributing mono instant messenger? | Apr 08 22:18 |
| balzac | http://sovix.org/Main_page | Apr 08 22:18 |
| MinceR | and will that automatically mean that recipients get patent licenses on all of mono? | Apr 08 22:18 |
| tacone | sovix = ? | Apr 08 22:18 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I tried with WordPress | Apr 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | No move yet | Apr 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | They should go AGPLv3 | Apr 08 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Liek Funambol. | Apr 08 22:19 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i know. i was ranting :) | Apr 08 22:19 |
| trmanco | we should give gnote a bigs hug | Apr 08 22:19 |
| wispygalaxy | *hugs* | Apr 08 22:19 |
| trmanco | and some major contributions | Apr 08 22:19 |
| balzac | tacone: click the link and read | Apr 08 22:19 |
| trmanco | oops | Apr 08 22:19 |
| trmanco | typo.... | Apr 08 22:20 |
| balzac | it's an AGPL-licensed CMS | Apr 08 22:20 |
| trmanco | and get that .NET shit of as many distros as possible | Apr 08 22:20 |
| wispygalaxy | mono is just a way for MS to insert its technology into FOSs | Apr 08 22:21 |
| balzac | wispygalaxy said "insert" | Apr 08 22:21 |
| wispygalaxy | it's not really about interoperability | Apr 08 22:21 |
| trmanco | ... and then tell microsoft to shove it up it's ass... where it should't have left in the first place | Apr 08 22:21 |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Apr 08 22:21 |
| trmanco | lol | Apr 08 22:21 |
| balzac | Bill Gates wants to "insert" his "microsoft" into FOSS | Apr 08 22:21 |
| balzac | don't let him do it! | Apr 08 22:21 |
| wispygalaxy | ewwww! | Apr 08 22:21 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Apr 08 22:22 |
| trmanco | INSERT INTO blah VALUES 0 0 0 0 1 | Apr 08 22:22 |
| balzac | yell, run, tell! | Apr 08 22:22 |
| tacone | balzac: you miss my point. | Apr 08 22:22 |
| wispygalaxy | it's rape | Apr 08 22:22 |
| balzac | i dodged your point | Apr 08 22:22 |
| tacone | i'm not looking for an alternative. i'm saying ms distributes wordpress. i'd like it to switch to gpl3. | Apr 08 22:22 |
| tacone | MinceR: http://synapse.im/ | Apr 08 22:22 |
| balzac | tacone: I don't think they mind. Maybe you should worry less about wordpress. They're not worrying about your opinion, I bet. | Apr 08 22:23 |
| tacone | balzac: they develop on windows so much. | Apr 08 22:23 |
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| trmanco | wow | Apr 08 22:25 |
| trmanco | hub is unstoppable | Apr 08 22:25 |
| trmanco | 5 new commit today | Apr 08 22:25 |
| trmanco | commits* | Apr 08 22:26 |
| wispygalaxy | do you have a link tony for that | Apr 08 22:26 |
| trmanco | wispygalaxy, yes -> http://gitorious.org/projects/gnote | Apr 08 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks a bunch | Apr 08 22:27 |
| tacone | mono is not only an injection. is also a way out if windows collapses. | Apr 08 22:27 |
| wispygalaxy | nice site design | Apr 08 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | interesting point, tacone | Apr 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Seems like BN has just reached the MSFTers | Apr 08 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | ms says they dont care about linux, but they are depending on it for survival if they fail! | Apr 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | "fyi, Kline wrote in a correction to the Red Hat statement in our piece, which I added. He must have been monitoring the exchange on your blog as I did not approach him. " | Apr 08 22:28 |
| tacone | wispygalaxy: are you really expecting windows to last ? :-) | Apr 08 22:28 |
| trmanco | TODO | Apr 08 22:28 |
| trmanco | 2 - import automatically from Tomboy | Apr 08 22:28 |
| trmanco | 3 - port the plugins | Apr 08 22:28 |
| trmanco | 4 - translations | Apr 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | It's about their anti-Red Hat FUD | Apr 08 22:28 |
| wispygalaxy | no fsking way haha tacone | Apr 08 22:28 |
| schestowitz | In a recent article about Linux and patents | Apr 08 22:28 |
| trmanco | I can do 4 | Apr 08 22:28 |
| trmanco | but I can't find any .po files | Apr 08 22:29 |
| tacone | microsoft problem is not users switching to linux | Apr 08 22:29 |
| wispygalaxy | why won't they leave us alone, those trolls? | Apr 08 22:29 |
| tacone | is companies angry and sick for years and years of racket. | Apr 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe we should dedicate a page to gnote | Apr 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | and promote it somehow | Apr 08 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Like a campaign to replace Mono (Tomboy) | Apr 08 22:29 |
| tacone | you can see in netbooks. they are taking the risk of switch and found a market where they can. | Apr 08 22:30 |
| trmanco | yeah, but it's still in alpha stage though | Apr 08 22:30 |
| trmanco | maybe contact the FSF :-P | Apr 08 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | linux will gain more marketshare i believe | Apr 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Context of the corrections made to the MS anti-FOSS aricle: | Apr 08 22:30 |
| trmanco | and give it some priority | Apr 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I told the editor: "Sites about IP tend to capitalise in its perpetuation. In other words, notions like Commons or copyleft are sometimes contradictory, so pro-IP folk sometimes obstruct an economy of sharing." | Apr 08 22:30 |
| schestowitz | "The work of Phelps et al (he worked with some Microsoft executives who reviewed it) was centred on software patents, which a company like Red Hat opposes. What Phelps et al do is wrap it together with things like trademarks to play the black art of statistics the way they want to play it." | Apr 08 22:30 |
| tacone | a netbook is the ideal market. a computer with 3-4 devices. not many drivers to manage. and you can say the customers it's not a full-blown computer if things go wrong. | Apr 08 22:30 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah netbooks are easy for less techy people | Apr 08 22:31 |
| wispygalaxy | since there is less to manage, it's not scary to them | Apr 08 22:31 |
| tacone | wispygalaxy: the real problem is.... customers have power in some countries. | Apr 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz | balzac: you're good with graphics | Apr 08 22:31 |
| tacone | if you're a large oem.. you face class actions. | Apr 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Wanna make a "Spread GNote" button? | Apr 08 22:32 |
| tacone | you just can't risk. | Apr 08 22:32 |
| tacone | and you probably have contracts and secret agreement with microsoft. | Apr 08 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Promotional stuff to edge aside the main mono troublemaker in default GNOME? | Apr 08 22:32 |
| tacone | but netbooks allow both to be workarounded in some way. | Apr 08 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | oems need to advertise linux so they can get people to buy linux and avoid windows | Apr 08 22:32 |
| wispygalaxy | and ms can't make deals anymore since they have no customers | Apr 08 22:32 |
| tacone | schestowitz: lol ! | Apr 08 22:32 |
| tacone | omg ! nice idea ! | Apr 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | We'll spread it in blogs maybe | Apr 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | If it succeeds | Apr 08 22:33 |
| tacone | adopt a mono project, port it to c++ ! | Apr 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | "Operation G" | Apr 08 22:33 |
| tacone | ahahahahah so nice. | Apr 08 22:33 |
| silentivm | sounds like a nice idea | Apr 08 22:33 |
| silentivm | :) | Apr 08 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Replace the "N" or "M" (Mono/Microsoft) with the G (gnu and gcc for c++) | Apr 08 22:33 |
| trmanco | and gtkmm | Apr 08 22:34 |
| wispygalaxy | haha good idea | Apr 08 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Because I know how much the Mono people worry about it | Apr 08 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Jo Shields for example.. | Apr 08 22:34 |
| tacone | well we're unfair with novell | Apr 08 22:34 |
| schestowitz | "Mono? We don't need no stinkin' mono" | Apr 08 22:34 |
| __boo | go no jewcrosoft | Apr 08 22:34 |
| tacone | we really should give them a way out. | Apr 08 22:34 |
| schestowitz | tacone: how unfair? | Apr 08 22:34 |
| tacone | schestowitz: do we have complains about mono, right ? | Apr 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Because of Microsoft and Novell | Apr 08 22:35 |
| __boo | yeah, it probably shouldn't exist | Apr 08 22:35 |
| tacone | why don't we put together a list of things they could do to legitimate Mono ? | Apr 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft and Novell collaborate | Apr 08 22:35 |
| __boo | m$ doesn't collaborate with anybody | Apr 08 22:35 |
| tacone | they will never do, but we may say we've tried :D | Apr 08 22:35 |
| MinceR | tacone: we'd probably be ignored | Apr 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | It does | Apr 08 22:35 |
| schestowitz | With those who help it, __boo | Apr 08 22:36 |
| MinceR | but i think it might be worth it | Apr 08 22:36 |
| __boo | not it does not | Apr 08 22:36 |
| __boo | it uses them as a slaves | Apr 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Apr 08 22:36 |
| __boo | it's not collaboration | Apr 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Collaborate /to/ Microsoft | Apr 08 22:36 |
| tacone | things like make novell-microsoft agreement public | Apr 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Not /with/ | Apr 08 22:36 |
| tacone | microsoft to issue a non sue promise on mono | Apr 08 22:36 |
| wispygalaxy | ms is like a pimp, controlling everyone | Apr 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but it's all out there already | Apr 08 22:36 |
| tacone | revoke the exclusivity of the mono deal | Apr 08 22:36 |
| tacone | etc. | Apr 08 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Needs organising better | Apr 08 22:36 |
| MinceR | i agree with __boo | Apr 08 22:37 |
| __boo | was the full agreement ever in public? | Apr 08 22:37 |
| tacone | schestowitz: but there's not a synthetic list out. | Apr 08 22:37 |
| MinceR | it isn't collaboration | Apr 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | I've got all the daily links now | Apr 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Will start typing away | Apr 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: like a man collaborates with a horse | Apr 08 22:37 |
| wispygalaxy | new entry for bn, roy? | Apr 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | He gives some grass, the horse carries the load | Apr 08 22:37 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: not yet | Apr 08 22:37 |
| wispygalaxy | ok | Apr 08 22:38 |
| __boo | yeah... the man also eats horse if he has nothing to eat or just to kill it | Apr 08 22:38 |
| __boo | and he kills it if the horse is exhausted | Apr 08 22:38 |
| MinceR | the horse is rarely treated as badly as m$ treats everyone outside it | Apr 08 22:39 |
| __boo | and it's he who's up to exhaust it | Apr 08 22:39 |
| wispygalaxy | i'd rather let the horse rest than kill it | Apr 08 22:39 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm too kind | Apr 08 22:39 |
| tacone | i have not enough knowledge on the matter to put such stuff together myself. | Apr 08 22:39 |
| __boo | life will teach ya, tacone | Apr 08 22:39 |
| tacone | __boo: ... | Apr 08 22:39 |
| balzac | I can't stand Webex, recently acquired by Cisco | Apr 08 22:40 |
| balzac | They have really obnoxious internet-radio ads. | Apr 08 22:40 |
| wispygalaxy | no adblock for audio ads i guess haha | Apr 08 22:41 |
| MinceR | (offtopic) http://www.keithpalmer.ca/msting-... >> Adam Cadre: The Eye of Argon | Apr 08 22:41 |
| balzac | schestowitz: I'd like to make a spread Gnote graphic, but I'm totally piled up with work. | Apr 08 22:42 |
| balzac | actually, reading your request reminded me I better quit reading entertainment sites... | Apr 08 22:42 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: volume contro? :-) | Apr 08 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: what kind of entertainment? | Apr 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Oops. balzac | Apr 08 22:44 |
| balzac | buzzfeed | Apr 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I'm watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?... ATM. Entertainment to some... interesting anyway | Apr 08 22:44 |
| balzac | .com i think | Apr 08 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | haha thats true roy, but im listening to my music library at the same time | Apr 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | balzac: try this video | Apr 08 22:45 |
| tacone | http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Apr 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | I have dedicated keys on my keyboard for playback | Apr 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Circle shaped bunch of buttons | Apr 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Works out of the box in Mandriva | Apr 08 22:45 |
| tacone | very nice | Apr 08 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | coolio | Apr 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Windows would require some CDs and drivers for it | Apr 08 22:45 |
| wispygalaxy | linux works well for me too | Apr 08 22:45 |
| tacone | schestowitz: are you using mandriva ? | Apr 08 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 08 22:45 |
| tacone | is it debian or fedora based ? | Apr 08 22:46 |
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| MinceR | it drives da man, that's why it's called mandriva. ;) | Apr 08 22:46 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Apr 08 22:46 |
| tacone | i know little about mandriva. | Apr 08 22:47 |
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| balzac | roy: heavy... | Apr 08 22:47 |
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| tacone | but reading their planet, seems nice. | Apr 08 22:47 |
| silentivm | I used to run Mandriva on this laptop | Apr 08 22:47 |
| silentivm | before migrating to Arch | Apr 08 22:47 |
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| balzac | wispygalaxy: GNU & Linux | Apr 08 22:47 |
| trmanco | w00t | Apr 08 22:47 |
| tacone | "than 20,000 packages.". ok debian | Apr 08 22:47 |
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| wispygalaxy | ahhhh sry | Apr 08 22:47 |
| jose | schestowitz, just posted a comment against sw patents. The related lt story is also a very nice one (but not directly related to patents). | Apr 08 22:48 |
| jose | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.... | Apr 08 22:48 |
| wispygalaxy | gnu/linux, gnu/linux, gnu/linux... i'll keep typing that till i get it | Apr 08 22:48 |
| wispygalaxy | brb soon | Apr 08 22:49 |
| __boo | too much talks about sw patents | Apr 08 22:50 |
| jose | i'll be going.... | Apr 08 22:50 |
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| __boo | we all understand that some sw giant will once patent air breathing | Apr 08 22:50 |
| __boo | why the f is there e=mc2 in article first? | Apr 08 22:51 |
| __boo | it's not even right | Apr 08 22:52 |
| __boo | do patents go into public domain at last? | Apr 08 22:54 |
| __boo | and how long does it take | Apr 08 22:54 |
| schestowitz | balzac: yes, heavy... try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... | Apr 08 22:55 |
| schestowitz | It's the war /OF/ terrorism | Apr 08 22:55 |
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| __boo | lol... they wanna make money making war in iraq | Apr 08 22:57 |
| __boo | lol, it's so funny to watch | Apr 08 22:58 |
| balzac | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0... <-- Roy, watch this | Apr 08 22:59 |
| balzac | hilarious | Apr 08 22:59 |
| __boo | lol, beer-shotgunning skills | Apr 08 23:01 |
| __boo | "which proved to be a bit of a failure." *ROFL* | Apr 08 23:02 |
| __boo | wtf... maffei is an effing freak | Apr 08 23:04 |
| __boo | he consumed too much drugs in his early days | Apr 08 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | *ping* schestowitz | Apr 08 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Yo! | Apr 08 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | hi, i have to go now :( | Apr 08 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Oh :-( | Apr 08 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Well, I'll post links shortly. | Apr 08 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | yeah i had a good time here | Apr 08 23:08 |
| wispygalaxy | nice chat | Apr 08 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll see you soon! xx | Apr 08 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: he didn't read what he signed | Apr 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Like Linux devs who protested against GPLv3 because Linus did. They DIDN'T READ THE THING! | Apr 08 23:13 |
| balzac | indeed | Apr 08 23:13 |
| balzac | so many people simply "subscribe" to the self-concept projected outwardly by others | Apr 08 23:14 |
| balzac | egocracy | Apr 08 23:14 |
| balzac | ego-ocracy | Apr 08 23:14 |
| balzac | egoligarchy | Apr 08 23:15 |
| *balzac coins another keeper | Apr 08 23:15 | |
| balzac | egoligarchy of angstivists | Apr 08 23:15 |
| MinceR | let's add a few more random syllables | Apr 08 23:17 |
| balzac | they're not random, dumbass | Apr 08 23:17 |
| MinceR | they might as well be, dumbass | Apr 08 23:18 |
| *balzac punches MinceR in the heart | Apr 08 23:18 | |
| MinceR | you missed. | Apr 08 23:19 |
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| MinceR | now you hit magentar's heart. | Apr 08 23:20 |
| __boo | egoligophreny | Apr 08 23:23 |
| __boo | are lgpl and gpl3 compatible? | Apr 08 23:24 |
| MinceR | egoligophrenomy | Apr 08 23:24 |
| MinceR | lgpl3 and gpl3 are compatible, iirc | Apr 08 23:25 |
| __boo | it's easy as that: egophobia | Apr 08 23:25 |
| MinceR | egolobotomy | Apr 08 23:25 |
| __boo | egophobia explains that all | Apr 08 23:26 |
| MinceR | iirc lgpl3 is just gpl3 with one of the additional, optional terms that gpl3 allows, so you can use lgpl3 code in gpl3 code but not the other way around | Apr 08 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Check out http://www.google.com/search?hl=en... | Apr 08 23:26 |
| schestowitz | So many GNOTEs | Apr 08 23:26 |
| MinceR | egoligamentophobia | Apr 08 23:26 |
| __boo | wtf | Apr 08 23:26 |
| tacone | schestowitz: so ? | Apr 08 23:26 |
| __boo | yeah, i searched it already | Apr 08 23:27 |
| __boo | when you were talkign about gnote | Apr 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz | http://gitorious.org/projects/gnote "GNU General Public License version 3 (GPLv3)" Yum! | Apr 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I was trying to find their logo | Apr 08 23:27 |
| schestowitz | To promoyte | Apr 08 23:27 |
| __boo | and found that too | Apr 08 23:27 |
| tacone | their ? | Apr 08 23:28 |
| tacone | are them already more than 1 poor guy ? | Apr 08 23:28 |
| MinceR | why poor? | Apr 08 23:28 |
| tacone | poor because alone in doing all the work | Apr 08 23:28 |
| __boo | poor guys don't make websites | Apr 08 23:28 |
| schestowitz | 12 Mar 22:16 | Apr 08 23:28 |
| tacone | and poor because unemployed. | Apr 08 23:28 |
| schestowitz | [created | Apr 08 23:28 |
| __boo | tacone, it doesn't mean a thing | Apr 08 23:29 |
| __boo | whether he's employed constantly or working as a freelancer | Apr 08 23:29 |
| tacone | .... | Apr 08 23:29 |
| __boo | as a freelancer he's even richer in spiritual meaning than employed | Apr 08 23:29 |
| tacone | __boo: leave that alone. | Apr 08 23:30 |
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| __boo | why? | Apr 08 23:32 |
| __boo | tacone: | Apr 08 23:32 |
| tacone | because i highly doubt he is fully into freelancing if he was layed off the previous month | Apr 08 23:33 |
| __boo | oh come on | Apr 08 23:33 |
| tacone | if he declared he is doing gnote out of boredom | Apr 08 23:33 |
| __boo | it doesn't matter what was the matter | Apr 08 23:34 |
| __boo | but he's doing something for himself | Apr 08 23:34 |
| tacone | and because i said "poor" lightheartedly. i really don't want to spend all the night discussing a word. | Apr 08 23:34 |
| __boo | just don't call poor a guy that has guts to do something on his own | Apr 08 23:35 |
| __boo | poor are those who work as m$ slaves | Apr 08 23:35 |
| __boo | even if they get much | Apr 08 23:35 |
| __boo | poor are those who tend to stick to popular things | Apr 08 23:36 |
| __boo | just to not to get out of flow | Apr 08 23:37 |
| tacone | like apache ? | Apr 08 23:37 |
| __boo | i don't know about apache much, i was using it though 7 or so years ago to get grades on some subject | Apr 08 23:38 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 08 23:45 |
| __boo | does anyone know any wolf bot irc channel on some server to play? | Apr 08 23:50 |
| __boo | not ##jswolfbot here | Apr 08 23:50 |
| __boo | it's full of inadequate ops | Apr 08 23:50 |
| __boo | mostly from ##windows | Apr 08 23:51 |
| MinceR | what are windows guys doing here anyway? this isn't the network of the Villain-Directed Projects Center! | Apr 08 23:51 |
| __boo | where do you see windows guys? | Apr 08 23:53 |
| __boo | MinceR | Apr 08 23:53 |
| __boo | ? | Apr 08 23:54 |
| MinceR | i thought they were on ##windows | Apr 08 23:54 |
| __boo | who? | Apr 08 23:54 |
| MinceR | and by "here" i meant freenode | Apr 08 23:54 |
| __boo | exactly | Apr 08 23:54 |
| __boo | i don't see anyone in this channel that won't get banned in ##windows sooner or later | Apr 08 23:55 |
| MinceR | they're supposed to use m$n messenger anyway, m$ has abandoned irc long ago :> | Apr 08 23:55 |
| __boo | if he continues to prove his point | Apr 08 23:56 |
| __boo | so name at least one? | Apr 08 23:56 |
| __boo | MinceR | Apr 08 23:56 |
| __boo | seems like an empty talk | Apr 08 23:58 |
| __boo | and if you're talking about freenode as not a "Villain-Directed Projects Center" then you're wrong | Apr 08 23:59 |
| __boo | i've seen enough of ##windows and #defocus | Apr 08 23:59 |