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schestowitzhttp://www.syzygeist.com/syzygeist...Oct 03 00:02
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tessierSo, is MS bankrupt yet?Oct 03 04:01
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twitterGoing into debt and Sweaty Beast is begging for a bail out.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213521Oct 03 04:06
twitterPoor little M$ might not make market expectations.Oct 03 04:06
tessierMS it not going into debtOct 03 05:40
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tessierI really dislike MS but you guys are often way off in your doomsaying. :(Oct 03 05:46
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MinceRj0Oct 03 06:35
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schestowitztessier: Microsoft has approved borrowing money as its balance sheet approaches zero, mainly due to buybacks. There are different ways of presenting this (and the reasons).Oct 03 07:24
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schestowitz:-S http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10054770-...Oct 03 08:12
schestowitzOld Mono poll (found by accident): How often do we need GNU/Linux releases?Oct 03 08:31
schestowitzOops. It's here: http://www.newmobilecomputing.com...Oct 03 08:31
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schestowitzhttp://allafrica.com/stories/200810020292.htmlOct 03 10:07
schestowitzPerens versus patent law now: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2952Oct 03 10:07
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tuxmanianice chat applet =)Oct 03 10:18
schestowitzHi there.Oct 03 10:22
schestowitzIs Microsoft trying to take control of ODF?   http://www.heise-online.co.uk...Oct 03 10:30
schestowitzhttp://blog.eracc.com/2008/10/01/ad... "I again contacted Kelly Murphy of A&R Edelman, a PR firm handling Adobe’s media inquiries, and asked her assistance. Kelly was kind enough to get answers to your questions. Well, what passes for answers from big, corporate entities with policies in place as to what can be said and when it can be said."Oct 03 10:35
schestowitzThat's the same Edelman that's boycotted by some (IIRC) for AstroTurfing services... serving Microsoft. Shame on Adobe for feeding that sc*m.Oct 03 10:36
MinceRadobe is scum itself tooOct 03 11:02
schestowitzWell... http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&am...Oct 03 11:11
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omegatesthiOct 03 11:56
schestowitzHi there, what's up?Oct 03 11:58
omegatestI see you are totally against the mono project. From my prespective and what I've read about it, I agree that it can be a "patent trap". But what about dotGnu? Can it be a trpa too?Oct 03 11:59
schestowitzI'm not a fan of it, but dotGn Oct 03 12:01
schestowitzI'm not a fan of it, but dotGnu is there to run .NET applications, not to actually build the GNOME desktopOct 03 12:01
schestowitzIt's the question of backward engineering (like Wine) versus choice of a development platform.Oct 03 12:02
omegatestI see there are a lot of rummors pointing a future version of Gnome developed with that. But ist it a de Icaza's dream or it will happen?Oct 03 12:03
schestowitzSome people in GNOME deny it, but the practical dependency increases. Novell makes 'surrogate' apps like banshee, which distro packagers might foolishly include by default.Oct 03 12:05
omegatestOK, thanksOct 03 12:07
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zoobabhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/new...Oct 03 12:18
zoobabmeans stricter rules for evalutating patentsOct 03 12:19
schestowitzBN is going titsup. It's almost impossible to leave comments now (errors) due to gigabytes of downloads.Oct 03 12:21
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zoobabtitsup?Oct 03 13:05
kentmabrokenOct 03 13:07
schestowitzzoobab: maybe you can set up a torrent?Oct 03 13:11
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*brunomiguel sick with the stink in Portugal. It smells Ballmer in here (Portugal). :SOct 03 15:13
MinceRsounds like another bribe visitOct 03 15:21
brunomiguelwell.... yeahOct 03 15:22
brunomiguelthe portuguese parliament is about to vote the approval of open standards and I fear that this visit will stop that and give a boost to the dh'ooxml crapOct 03 15:23
schestowitzMinceR: not "bribe"... incentives.Oct 03 15:23
schestowitzYou give, you getOct 03 15:23
MinceRpersonal incentivesOct 03 15:24
MinceRyou screw your country, you get an envelope full of money.Oct 03 15:24
schestowitzEarlier today in Groklaw: "    *   Microsoft to open research centers in EuropeOct 03 15:24
schestowitz    * 12:02AM October 10/03/08, 2008Oct 03 15:24
schestowitz    * Steven Ballmer, the Microsoft chief executive, said at a news conference here that the three "centers of excellence," to be based near Paris, in London and in Munich, would employ several hundred people all together.Oct 03 15:24
schestowitz      He declined to say how much the company would invest. But Microsoft, which has fought pitched battles with European regulators over its Windows operating system, said it was making a major commitment to Europe at a time when many companies were nervous about spending on new projects.Oct 03 15:24
schestowitz      [PJ: Hmm. France, Germany and UK. I can't shake the nagging memory that these three helped out with their OOXML votes.] - Eric Pfanner, IHT "Oct 03 15:24
brunomiguelthat's a distortion of the free software mantra - give and getOct 03 15:24
schestowitzIt was the same suspicion in other countries. Let me find it.Oct 03 15:24
schestowitzHere: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php... Have a look.Oct 03 15:25
schestowitz"Oct 03 15:25
schestowitzThe Czech Republic, the UK, Germany, Denmark, Finland and Norway all voted to approve OOXML."Oct 03 15:25
schestowitz"This was a change for each of them. In September, the Czech Republic, the UK, Denmark, and Norway had voted to disapprove, so this was a change in Microsoft's favor. Finland abstained in September, and it voted to approve in March as well."Oct 03 15:25
schestowitz"They all changed to approve, in other words, and now they are on the opening list of beneficiaries of Microsoft's beneficence, for which it is so well-known."Oct 03 15:25
schestowitz"So. What do you think of my theory? There's an article in Shoot's May edition, page 14, about the new branding campaign, and it calls it a "global" campaign, with "viral videos playing in four countries" already, the UK, Germany, France and Australia, showing young people who have benefited from the "Microsoft Learning Center"."Oct 03 15:26
schestowitz"So who isn't on the list of recipients? I see no young people from India, which voted against OOXML and criticized the process but where young people could probably use some help. Where's New Zealand, which voted no? South Africa, which not only voted no but filed an official appeal of the OOXML approval? They don't need help for young people there? The other countries that voted No, like China, Venezuela, Canada, Ecuador? Don't gOct 03 15:26
schestowitzet me wrong. I'm not hoping Microsoft spreads its technology to young people anywhere. I'm just saying."Oct 03 15:26
brunomiguelit's like on of those clinics for junkies get their fixOct 03 15:26
brunomiguelwith nurses, doctors and clean needlesOct 03 15:27
brunomiguelbut this ones have butchersOct 03 15:27
schestowitzBear in mind that Microsoft spoke to presidents to push the OOXML agenda (e.g. the French president... Mexico for a known fact)Oct 03 15:27
schestowitzGates and Ballmer phones diplomats, so I suspect there was an exchange of some favour. "Do me one... I'll do one for you later"Oct 03 15:28
brunomiguelprobably, when some terms end, they will work for microsoft...Oct 03 15:29
brunomiguelor something like thatOct 03 15:29
brunomiguelit wouldn't be the first time a politician would help a company and ended up working for that company a few years laterOct 03 15:30
twitterM$ Learning Centers.   That's got to feel like getting a new KGB office in town.Oct 03 15:30
twitterHundreds of people employed to spy on your neighbors!  Nice.Oct 03 15:30
twitterSpread the ruin.Oct 03 15:30
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schestowitzCampaign contributions are good means for bribes. Pet charities are another.Oct 03 15:31
brunomiguelthat's the essence of dictatorwareOct 03 15:31
brunomiguellook @ skype and the chinese regimeOct 03 15:31
schestowitzbrunomiguel: yes, there are reports about it now.Oct 03 15:32
twitterThey always take more than they give.Oct 03 15:32
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxworld.com.au/index... http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/10/02/skyp...Oct 03 15:32
twitterIs BN under DoS attack?Oct 03 15:32
schestowitzUse excuses like "terrorism" for everything. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives...Oct 03 15:32
schestowitztwitter: no, why?Oct 03 15:33
trmancotwitter, I don't think soOct 03 15:33
twitterYou mentioned GB of download activity.Oct 03 15:33
schestowitzYes, but the site is just slow and it spews up some errors. It's still up.Oct 03 15:33
twitterI just hope it's all legitimate and not crap from a bot netOct 03 15:33
twitterCoolOct 03 15:33
schestowitztwitter: yes, it's the OOXML thing.Oct 03 15:33
twitterI had not noticed a performance problem.Oct 03 15:34
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/1...Oct 03 15:34
twitterThe OOXML reporting was very good, thanks.Oct 03 15:34
twitterYou might spare yourself some bandwith by labeling the OOXML pdf as the 5000 page monster it is.Oct 03 15:39
schestowitzI think it's a one-day thing, so it's tolerable for now.Oct 03 15:40
MinceRbittorrent could helpOct 03 15:41
ld50schestowitz, ballmer had a meeting today with the portugues prime minister: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/i...Oct 03 15:43
ld50schestowitz, to put MS software on 50$ notebooksOct 03 15:44
schestowitzOf course...Oct 03 15:44
brunomiguelld50: correction: to put *more* MS softwareOct 03 15:44
ld50schestowitz, its curious to see novell in the background of this picture: http://diario.iol.pt/tecnologia/steve-balm..., this news doesnt have nothing to do with novell :POct 03 15:45
schestowitzBut, but.... :-) I though Ballmer just came there for routine 'business trip' purposes.Oct 03 15:45
schestowitzAre you now telling me that state-funded computing are being subjected to manipulation by the man who wants to "f* kill Google and f* bury that pu* [Google's CEO]"?Oct 03 15:46
ld50brunomiguel, socrates is such an asshole, he nearly worshiped ballmerOct 03 15:46
brunomiguelld50: i wouldn't say thatOct 03 15:47
schestowitzI can't see a picture of Novell.Oct 03 15:47
brunomiguelbut i seems to like microsoft a lot...Oct 03 15:47
schestowitzThey love money.Oct 03 15:47
schestowitzThe companies are 'details'. They just small the $$.Oct 03 15:47
brunomigueleven i like moneyOct 03 15:47
schestowitz*smellOct 03 15:47
ld50schestowitz, behind ballmer, where it says Microsoft NovellOct 03 15:48
schestowitzIn Ballmer's case, it might not be just money that they smell, but there ya go...Oct 03 15:48
brunomiguelbut i have standards, principlesOct 03 15:48
schestowitzld50: I see no pictures in that page.Oct 03 15:48
schestowitzOh.Oct 03 15:48
schestowitzIt says page not found.Oct 03 15:49
schestowitzhttp://diario.iol.pt/tecnologia/steve-balmer-jo...Oct 03 15:49
schestowitzIt was the dot at the end.Oct 03 15:49
twitterWhy did you link to this article?  http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/serendipity/archives/...Oct 03 15:49
ld50schestowitz, that article was one week before he came to Portugal, so the image might be out of contextOct 03 15:50
twitterIt reads like a troll.Oct 03 15:50
twitterA comment on the page says, "Congratulations on finding probably the biggest bit of SVG that hasn't had an act1"Oct 03 15:51
schestowitz"Congratulations on finding probably the biggest bit of SVG that hasn't had an actual artist work on it. This huge undertaking on KsCD was done by a small group of university students as part of their class studies; it needs a nice SVG to make it look good, but none of the artists have yet had time to do so."Oct 03 15:51
trmancomehOct 03 15:51
trmancoit stinks outsideOct 03 15:51
twitterthanksOct 03 15:51
schestowitzld50: yes, it's out of context. But Microsoft is a 'Linux company' now, or that's how it wants to be perceived in the EU.... because of Neelie and those other 'pests'...Oct 03 15:52
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trmancoschestowitz, that 1080.pdf need a mirror :POct 03 16:11
trmanconeedsOct 03 16:11
ld50schestowitz, this one's from today :P http://diario.iol.pt/artmedia....Oct 03 16:12
schestowitztrmanco: is it slow?Oct 03 16:12
trmancoyesOct 03 16:12
trmanco20KB/s hereOct 03 16:12
schestowitztrmanco/ brunomiguel / ld50 : can you find English articles/translations showing what Ballmer is up to?Oct 03 16:13
trmancoWe can tryOct 03 16:13
schestowitzTo be documented for future reference.Oct 03 16:13
trmancobut I don't really think we are going to have any successOct 03 16:13
ld50schestowitz, the first like is in english, the reuters oneOct 03 16:14
ld50*linkOct 03 16:14
schestowitzReuters is very Microsoft-amiable, but still...Oct 03 16:14
ld50schestowitz, http://www.ibtimes.com/prnews/20...Oct 03 16:16
schestowitzWhat a... coincidence.Oct 03 16:17
schestowitzIs this also related to the Venezuela deployment?Oct 03 16:17
schestowitzPortuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates and Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer announced significant Microsoft investment in the Magellan Initiative through the Microsoft Unlimited Potential programOct 03 16:18
schestowitzThat's your tax money going into funding children's addiction to Microsoft so that Microsoft will be paid by them when it grows up.Oct 03 16:18
schestowitzAnd I bet those in Portugal who understand this are up in arms.Oct 03 16:18
ld50yes, its not only cheap software MS is offering, they will give a "microsoft digital literacy CV" to every portugueseOct 03 16:21
schestowitz"microsoft digital literacy" = start menu, Word, Blue E, Live@edu, etc.Oct 03 16:22
brunomiguelhttp://tek.sapo.pt/opiniao/1_pergunta_a...Oct 03 16:30
trmancohttp://blogs.computerworld.com/when_linu... -> time to shut up the trolls on usenetOct 03 16:30
brunomiguelhttp://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/computadores/b...Oct 03 16:30
brunomiguelthere are in pt-PT, but you can translate them with googleOct 03 16:30
trmancogeeOct 03 16:31
schestowitzThanks. I'll post about it in half an hour.Oct 03 16:31
trmancothat stupid "kiddy netbook" has linux too, but no one likes to mention itOct 03 16:31
schestowitzThat's the illusion of choice.Oct 03 16:32
trmancohttp://groups.google.com/group/pt.comp.s...Oct 03 16:32
brunomiguelmore in pt-PT:Oct 03 16:32
brunomiguelhttp://tech4pc.net/portateis/magalhaes-e-e...Oct 03 16:32
brunomiguelhttp://www.portatilmagalhaes.com/portat...Oct 03 16:32
schestowitzhttp://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/intel/cl...Oct 03 16:32
trmancoalready said something about it but no one repliedOct 03 16:32
schestowitz"The software "choice" is false"Oct 03 16:32
trmanco...Oct 03 16:33
*trmanco is waiting for the new wine dev release :POct 03 16:34
schestowitzThanks, brunomiguel. I'll include them all.Oct 03 16:34
brunomiguelyet another one in pt-PT: http://atuleirus.weblog.com.pt/a...Oct 03 16:34
brunomiguelschestowitz: could you please sanitise the irc logs, so that the hosts don't show up?Oct 03 16:36
trmanco"curiosamente, é também hoje que se a inicia a Semana do Open Office em Portugal, com uma apresentação da versão 3.0 no Forum Picoas, em Lisboa; mas a essa não se dá destaque - não é "Microsoft driven"."Oct 03 16:36
brunomiguelthe irc logs in BNOct 03 16:36
trmancolike thisOct 03 16:36
trmancoI like that quoteOct 03 16:37
schestowitzSure, will do!Oct 03 16:37
schestowitzbrunomiguel: Sure, will do!Oct 03 16:37
schestowitzBut it needs to be done manually, so hard to do on a daily basis.Oct 03 16:38
brunomiguela script could helpOct 03 16:39
brunomiguelicecat 3.0.3 is in pt-PT :) http://www.fsdaily.com/EndUser/Icecat_3_0...Oct 03 16:39
schestowitzI use a Python one. Need to operate on the raw logs then.Oct 03 16:39
*trmanco is reading a 5570 page pdf fileOct 03 16:40
schestowitzYou need to borrow Blue Gene for that?Oct 03 16:42
trmancoCreator: Microsoft€® Office Word 2007Oct 03 16:42
schestowitzOOXML, made by OOXML.Oct 03 16:42
trmancogrrOct 03 16:42
trmanconeed to make it smaller so I can upload it to google docsOct 03 16:42
schestowitzCheck the date. Might be affected by a fictional leap year...Oct 03 16:42
trmanco12 SeptemberOct 03 16:42
ld50trmanco, heres how to make a pdf smaller: http://rafb.net/p/Rwvk1S86.htmlOct 03 16:43
trmancothanksOct 03 16:44
trmancoevince is crashing on meOct 03 16:44
trmancoooxml crap :|Oct 03 16:44
schestowitzIt needs a Vista-capable box.. maybe.Oct 03 16:45
trmancogrrrOct 03 16:45
schestowitzJust so that I get this right, those laptops are partly funded by the Portuguese government, right?Oct 03 16:46
trmancowhatOct 03 16:46
trmancothose classmates?Oct 03 16:47
schestowitzYes.Oct 03 16:47
schestowitzIs it true?Oct 03 16:47
schestowitz50 Euros??Oct 03 16:47
brunomigueljust for students, if i recall it rightOct 03 16:47
trmanconot quite sureOct 03 16:47
trmancobut yesOct 03 16:47
brunomigueland eldersOct 03 16:47
schestowitzThey also grant monopolies/franchise to companies that will make a bundle from their affiliation with Microsoft.Oct 03 16:47
brunomiguelthe project is not a governamental projectOct 03 16:47
trmancoit cost 280 € if you normally buy itOct 03 16:47
brunomiguelthat needs to be saidOct 03 16:47
schestowitzThat's corruption of a fairly high order when the government blindly passes all that public money... later to be 'compensated' for that choice, I'd imagine.Oct 03 16:48
schestowitzSo if a student buys it, who pys?Oct 03 16:48
schestowitzIn Nigeria Intel was dumping and the government chipped in too.Oct 03 16:48
brunomiguelhis parents and the governamentOct 03 16:48
schestowitzJust to kill OLPC Intel tolerated losses and had the government put taxpayers' money in.Oct 03 16:48
schestowitzAh! "and the government"Oct 03 16:49
brunomiguelthe governament grabbed this chance to help kids get their first computer @ a low price. and to campain...Oct 03 16:49
schestowitzThey don't give gifts.Oct 03 16:49
brunomiguelno free mealsOct 03 16:49
schestowitzThey give digi^H^HMicrosoft literacy.Oct 03 16:49
schestowitzThat's creating a dependence on vendors. It's not education.Oct 03 16:49
brunomiguelyeahOct 03 16:49
schestowitz...Not to mention what that vendor is...Oct 03 16:50
brunomiguelalthought Magellanshas Caixa Mágica GNU/Linux, but it appears to be just to say they are pro-freesoftwareOct 03 16:50
schestowitzA monopoly abuser in many continents... people in jail for fraud...Oct 03 16:50
schestowitzbrunomiguel: regarding  Magellans, that's now that the press release is projecting.Oct 03 16:52
brunomiguelthis is a good project transformed into a kinda-good-kinda-bad projectOct 03 16:53
brunomiguelonly free software should be used by free governamentsOct 03 16:53
brunomiguelproprietary software is contrary to the democratic valuesOct 03 16:54
brunomiguelso, no democracy should use or persue dictatorwareOct 03 16:54
brunomiguelnot even a iDictatorPhoneOct 03 16:54
brunomiguelif Magellans only had free software, it would be an awsome projectOct 03 16:54
schestowitzThe choice between having choice and having no choice.Oct 03 16:55
ld50Magellans has dualboot, so you're (or the governemnt is)  paying for windows, even if you dont use itOct 03 16:55
brunomigueland I'm including a free biosOct 03 16:55
brunomiguelld50: only windows is mentioned in the manual :SOct 03 16:55
brunomiguelsickening...Oct 03 16:56
schestowitzhttp://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008...Oct 03 16:56
ld50brunomiguel, i read it here: http://www.portatilmagalhaes.com/espec...Oct 03 16:57
schestowitzIt's an exercise in diplomacy: http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/i...Oct 03 16:57
brunomiguelld50: portatilmagalhaes.com is not an oficial magellans websiteOct 03 16:58
brunomiguelbut i'm not 100% sureOct 03 16:58
brunomiguelanyone here knows how to change the host to something that doesn't reveal my ip? i'm using irssiOct 03 17:00
schestowitzYou could use mib (Web-based) or use some Web proxy.Oct 03 17:01
brunomigueli have to use a proxy to get something like this? newsense/friend/pdOct 03 17:02
trmancouse a bouncerOct 03 17:07
brunomigueli need a free shell accountOct 03 17:07
brunomigueland i couldn't get one :\Oct 03 17:08
brunomiguel:'(Oct 03 17:08
trmancoI have oneOct 03 17:08
brunomiguelno psybnc for me :|Oct 03 17:08
brunomiguelfree host?Oct 03 17:08
trmancoI could set you a psybnc if you wantOct 03 17:08
trmancono its paidOct 03 17:08
brunomiguelno guita xDOct 03 17:08
trmancololOct 03 17:08
trmancowaitOct 03 17:08
brunomiguelestou tesoOct 03 17:08
brunomiguelanyone for some KDE 4.x show? http://plasma.kde.org/media/plas...Oct 03 17:10
trmancohttp://www.shellium.org/Oct 03 17:10
ld50hum, today is kde 4.1.2 dayOct 03 17:11
trmancohttp://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2...Oct 03 17:12
trmancohttp://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2...Oct 03 17:12
*schestowitz writes a post about it ATMOct 03 17:13
trmancogeeOct 03 17:33
trmancoI love my COLA killfileOct 03 17:33
trmancosaves me a lot of timeOct 03 17:33
trmancoheyOct 03 17:34
trmancokde 4.1.2 is outOct 03 17:34
trmancohttp://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-a...Oct 03 17:34
schestowitzNot a major release though.Oct 03 17:38
schestowitzOkay, a post is now done: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/...Oct 03 17:52
brunomiguelschestowitz: i really like that last paragraph :) confucious would be proudOct 03 17:55
schestowitzHeh. Thanks.Oct 03 17:58
schestowitzLack of direction confirmed: http://www.osnews.com/story/20349/Microsoft_Un...Oct 03 18:00
brunomiguelwhen a cloud became a swiss cheese... xDOct 03 18:03
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news... "Norway ISO members walk out over OOXML [...] In all, 13 of the committee's 23 members have resigned, a majority of the membership."Oct 03 18:11
schestowitzThat leaves vacancies for more Microsoft puppets to take over.Oct 03 18:11
schestowitzYahoo slashes staff numbers ... http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/n...Oct 03 18:14
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schestowitzSince when does anyone /chase/ Remond in HPC??? This headline makes a bad statement... http://www.channelregister.co.uk/20...Oct 03 18:17
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schestowitzBarclays breaks further rather than fix the issues.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10...Oct 03 18:35
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trmancoWindows?Oct 03 18:57
schestowitzYes. We think so. It was discussed the other day. Get a load of this: ZDNet published 7 article today. The majority of them are about Microsoft and good news. WTF?Oct 03 18:58
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schestowitzTo them, Microsoft is at the centre of the computing universe and everything else is marginal.Oct 03 18:59
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schestowitzAre they paying him to 'take over' another company...? http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10054988...Oct 03 19:00
twitterM$ needs good news to offset going into debt, declining stock prices and yet another quarter where they are going to miss expectations.Oct 03 19:04
twittermissing is a big deal because of the way they have traditionally slopped money around to hide losses.Oct 03 19:04
schestowitztessier: your friend gets a break... http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10056282-93.ht...Oct 03 19:04
twitterM$ news is further and further detached from reality.Oct 03 19:06
schestowitz"In the face of strong competition, Evangelism's focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X." -- http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo...Oct 03 19:07
schestowitzThat's how you know Microsoft is nervous: vapourware < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-100... > (not an actual product, just chatter)Oct 03 19:08
twitterAll of their current products are failures.Oct 03 19:08
schestowitzNot all. Some are profitable.Oct 03 19:09
schestowitzOffice is still very profitable although it's given for free in most  countries.Oct 03 19:09
twitterNo one likes the new office and it's ribbon interface.Oct 03 19:10
schestowitzWindows they give away for very cheap (via OEMs, sometimes almost for free). They also have a servers division (Exchange and all) that makes some profits, IIRC.Oct 03 19:10
twitterOO.org is going to eat their lunch.Oct 03 19:10
schestowitztwitter: on that I'd agree with you based on anything I've read. Sales of Office have unsurprisngly declines, despite the discounts. SAAS is hurting them as much as OOo and other FOSS.Oct 03 19:11
twitterTheir profits are not enough for them as should be obvious with them sinking into debt.Oct 03 19:11
schestowitzJust found today: http://advice.cio.com/thomas_wailgum/p_g_fl... (P&G Flirts with Google Apps and Scares the Bejesus Out of Microsoft)Oct 03 19:11
schestowitzCattle effect is Microsoft's issue here. If 10% if the businesses use SaaS for docs/spreadheets/E-mail/collab, there's more confidence in Google Apps (or others), so people drift away, not linearly.Oct 03 19:12
twitterM$ is in a death spiral.  Their house of cards is based on hype.  When they run out of money to bluster, they are out of luck.  Their product line has been so bad that their bluster costs have risen beyond sustainable.Oct 03 19:13
twitterThe cattle are busting down the gates.Oct 03 19:13
twitterEveryone now knows that M$==third rateOct 03 19:14
schestowitzGoogle recently said that over a million businesses have adoped Google Apps, but Microsoft has better estimates. It just keeps the card closer to its chest. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/15... "Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux," he said. "How  are we doing? Forty is less than 60, so I don't like it. ... We have some  work to do."Oct 03 19:14
twitterThe only thing keeping people on M$ is the perception of difficulty for people who leave.  Any large number of defectors is fatal for them.Oct 03 19:16
schestowitzhttp://forums.macrumors.com/archive...Oct 03 19:19
twitterOh crap, Steve Ballmer got his bailout.Oct 03 19:20
twitterhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20...Oct 03 19:21
twitterEverybody gets one last bonus check before the next depression.Oct 03 19:21
twitterThey get tax breaks too!Oct 03 19:22
schestowitzJohnson was set to receive a $5 million signing bonus when he arrived at Juniper earlier this month and a base salary of $800,000 a year. http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10054988-7...Oct 03 19:22
twitterExecutive over compesationOct 03 19:22
twitterit's vulgarOct 03 19:22
schestowitzI also wrote about this 'bonuses' backlash yesterday: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0...Oct 03 19:22
twittersaw thatOct 03 19:23
schestowitzWell, when they set the rules, tax is not a problem. Alertness from the public (or implosion) is all it takes to end this. The way things work, the bailout will take equal charges from the rich (who hardly feel the pinch) and the poor, who might have to find night jobs or something.Oct 03 19:27
twitter"the poor" already have night jobs, they need relief from the 27% interest house loans and refinances they suckered/forced into.Oct 03 19:28
twitterAmericans already work more hours than any other country in the free world.  They are so fucked over.Oct 03 19:29
schestowitzWell, the UK is also affected.Oct 03 19:30
schestowitzhttp://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&...Oct 03 19:50
trmanco"I have found out that the MochaSoft RDP client for the iPhone and iPodOct 03 19:51
trmancoTouch, which is distributed commercially trough the apple App Store, isOct 03 19:51
trmancobased on the GPL licensed rdesktop. "Oct 03 19:51
trmancogeeOct 03 19:51
schestowitzYes, they resolved it.Oct 03 19:51
schestowitzOnly after being reported to gpl-violations, AFAIK.Oct 03 19:51
schestowitzDDOS storm coming...? http://www.darkreading.com/blog.asp?bl...Oct 03 20:03
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twitterha ha, bailout and all Novell is back at $5.00 and going down. http://finance.google.com/fin...Oct 03 20:16
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schestowitzThe almighty analysts (shillnalysts) said Novell was a champion of all and running towards $7.5. Now they hide under a rock, as usual. They are just as dishonest as those fat cats, pumping their stocks, interests, and clients.Oct 03 20:19
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trmanconice one -> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0...Oct 03 20:54
trmancohttp://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplan...Oct 03 20:58
schestowitzHe misses the point totally. Microsoft ignored GNU/Linux *BECAUSE* of Moonlight. It said so.Oct 03 21:00
schestowitz...When  asked why Siiverlight itself was not ported to GNU/Linux...Oct 03 21:01
trmancohttp://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200...Oct 03 21:05
schestowitzYes, it's everywhere.Oct 03 21:07
schestowitzI'll put it on my posting pile/queue, so thanks! :-)Oct 03 21:07
schestowitz"ISO is facing a revolt from dissatisfied participants who feel that their technical input was ignored, and national standards bodies from various countries are suffering internal friction over alleged misconduct. The implosion of the Standards Norway technical committee reflects the ongoing turmoil created by the ambiguity surrounding ISO's approval of OOXML. "Oct 03 21:10
trmancostupid OOXML standard :|Oct 03 21:11
trmancoit only came to cause problemsOct 03 21:11
zoobabhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_...Oct 03 21:12
trmancohttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/0...Oct 03 21:13
schestowitztrmanco: serves Microsoft well though. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0...Oct 03 21:14
trmanco:|Oct 03 21:15
schestowitzAbout the licences, even MSuel de Icaza complained about it.Oct 03 21:16
trmancoyesOct 03 21:16
trmancoback in 2007Oct 03 21:16
trmancooh noOct 03 21:16
trmancomy badOct 03 21:16
schestowitzBut today he thanked them (or yesterday)Oct 03 21:17
schestowitzStill playing wife with an abusive husband, that chap..Oct 03 21:17
trmancololOct 03 21:18
trmancowell looks like we have a newly discovered TCP flaw...Oct 03 21:19
schestowitzI didn't realise that Microsoft's patent trolls have already invaded India... http://www.livemint.com/2008/09/25001325/Contr...Oct 03 21:20
schestowitz"The company has already entered into agreements to buy patents from the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, Indian Institute of Technology, Bombay, and is close to signing an agreement with the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, India’s largest research and development organization, said a person familiar with the developments who did not want to be named."Oct 03 21:20
schestowitzThat's disgusting and I bet they are willing to also break the law with software patents. What a bunch of bullies.Oct 03 21:20
trmanco...Oct 03 21:23
schestowitzBoycott ISO is born. http://boycottiso.wikidot.com/Oct 03 21:23
trmanco+500 patents for MicrosoftOct 03 21:23
trmancozoobab is the adminOct 03 21:24
schestowitz20000+Oct 03 21:25
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB122... http://www.livemint.com/2008/09/2500132... http://www.iam-magazine.com/blog/Detail.as...Oct 03 21:26
schestowitzMyhrvold = legal/extortion department, adjunct to Microsoft Corporation.Oct 03 21:26
*schestowitz catching up with Digital Majority (so many good links, not enough to capture all though)Oct 03 21:27
schestowitzHaha. This is brilliant: http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/draftOct 03 21:33
trmancololOct 03 21:38
trmancocan't be any easierOct 03 21:38
schestowitzWeird.Oct 03 21:39
schestowitzThe Financial Times sent me an E-mail moments ago. Seems like they worry about reach.Oct 03 21:39
schestowitzThey wanted me to help them form a partnership of something. I hate marketing people...Oct 03 21:42
zoobabhttp://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/draft/view/4/Oct 03 21:47
zoobab.win 19Oct 03 21:48
*schestowitz votedOct 03 21:48
schestowitzWishlist item for DM: some tag to distinguish analysis/event/lawsuit/press release (settlement, granting of patent, etc.)Oct 03 21:49
zoobabnormally it should be in the upcomin blog module of wikidotOct 03 21:50
zoobabbecause the forum module sucks a lotOct 03 21:50
schestowitzMaybe [tag]?Oct 03 21:52
zoobabtags are for pagesOct 03 21:58
zoobabfor for forums postsOct 03 21:58
zoobabMichal made the mistake to start using this forum module, instead of using the concept of "everything is a wiki page"Oct 03 21:59
schestowitzMichal?Oct 03 22:00
tessier_twitter: It will be a long time before MS runs out of money to bluster.Oct 03 22:00
tessier_I've been watching for 15 years and they are richer than ever.Oct 03 22:00
tessier_The stock buyback will reduce their cash pile but also reduce their liability to stockholders.Oct 03 22:01
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Wujuhi guysOct 03 22:02
schestowitzHi, Wuju, what's up?Oct 03 22:03
Wujucare to clear up my mindOct 03 22:03
Wujui use novell productsOct 03 22:03
schestowitzWhich ones?Oct 03 22:03
Wujunazi linuxOct 03 22:03
Wujumade by those dirty germansOct 03 22:03
schestowitzAre you a troll?Oct 03 22:05
Wujui am a woozle but i did not come here to troll.Oct 03 22:05
Wujui said something you did not answer meOct 03 22:05
Wujutell me more about what has novell wronged.Oct 03 22:06
Wujutell me something google doesnt know.Oct 03 22:07
Wujuto be honest i do not see it much of a dealOct 03 22:07
zoobabhttp://www.acsa2000.net/ibm_title.jpgOct 03 22:11
zoobablinux made by those dirty germansOct 03 22:11
schestowitzI remember you using this image.Oct 03 22:12
schestowitzIBM=ODF. It's simpler to think of it that way. :-)Oct 03 22:12
schestowitzODF vs. MS-OOXML = IBM vs. ISOOct 03 22:13
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tessier_I think it is pretty sleezy to drag IBM through the mud for what happened in WWIIOct 03 22:36
tessier_The people who did that are all dead now, including the IBM employees involved.Oct 03 22:36
schestowitzIt's happening now with China. Yahoo, Microsoft and Google.Oct 03 22:37
zoobab"Controling or filtering content that goes through networks should be done"— Viviane Reding, European CommissionerOct 03 22:41
zoobabhttp://www.silicon.fr/fr/news/2008/10/01...Oct 03 22:41
schestowitzSame as yesterday?Oct 03 22:44
schestowitzSoviet Internet, brought to you by Viviane Redingski. She's also playing with DRM fire.Oct 03 22:45
schestowitzhttp://www.defectivebydesign...Oct 03 22:45
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pombat42IBM is a very nasty company and they are certainly not to be trusted. The difference between them and Microsoft is that IBM learned years ago how to play the game and not get caughtOct 03 23:48
pombat42Or get caught less frequently.Oct 03 23:49

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