IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 22nd 2008

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2008-11-23 13:02:29 UTC
Modified: 2008-11-23 13:02:29 UTC

neighborlee	gn mince	Nov 22 00:18
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schestowitz	neighborlee: remember this post from 3 months ago < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/15/... >? It's still getting many views, so people are curious. 1000 views this month.	Nov 22 01:23
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neighborlee	schestowitz, good deal ;00-	Nov 22 01:29
schestowitz	I wrote 15 posts today. It was fun.	Nov 22 01:30
schestowitz	Lots of Mono in the front page too. We get over 30,000 pageviews foday.	Nov 22 01:31
neighborlee	good deal Im glad to hear that as always	Nov 22 01:32
schestowitz	Teamwork pays off.	Nov 22 01:32
neighborlee	people like to read objective pieces of news and ive never seen you post anything but that. I am adult enough to let you report, and I decide..those saying otherwise are insulting the readers intelligence, and doing that gives them ZERO credibility.	Nov 22 01:32
neighborlee	indeed it does .	Nov 22 01:32
schestowitz	Objective means what?	Nov 22 01:33
schestowitz	That's it's more in alignment with Wintel press, which aligns with Microsoft and Novell PR?	Nov 22 01:34
schestowitz	Remember the press pre-'War' in Iraq	Nov 22 01:34
neighborlee	objective truths are those which are discovered rather than created	Nov 22 01:35
neighborlee	oh lord I sure do../another reason im so glad obama made it..us immediately has tons more respect overnight	Nov 22 01:35
neighborlee	us/u.s.	Nov 22 01:36
neighborlee	war mongering was fine in the middle ages..this is now ;)	Nov 22 01:36
schestowitz	I still see things on televisions that glorify military. Last night I saw (again) the video clip of "Hero". That's pro-military. Now, don't get me wrong. I adore people who go and fight for their country, but those who send them to fight often do this for /NO NEED/. So they follow orders, sometimes come back to Galveston in coffins, but what for?	Nov 22 01:36
neighborlee	there is no honor lost in finding peaceful means to settle differences...a true mans measure is finding peace admist turmoil...never appologise for a ideology of peace ;)	Nov 22 01:38
schestowitz	You can win a war by going to none. A peace treaty can be like winning a war... with no casualties. The media continues to glorify guns and violence and computer games sometimes seem like they are created by 'higher forces' (America's Army,. anyone?) to manufacture aggression and promote diligence that's violent, just in case recruitment time comes.	Nov 22 01:39
neighborlee	yes,,ive seen a nasty trend in violent games, which is why im doing heartseed	Nov 22 01:40
neighborlee	as if violence is the only means to fun ;)	Nov 22 01:40
neighborlee	palease ;)	Nov 22 01:41
schestowitz	Encouraging ignorance re Freedom and DRM is another thing.	Nov 22 01:41
neighborlee	sure	Nov 22 01:41
schestowitz	If people understood how corrupt American politics are, there would be revolt in the streets	Nov 22 01:41
neighborlee	I think we just had one ;)	Nov 22 01:41
neighborlee	people know...maybe not the total nature of it,but they know ;)	Nov 22 01:41
schestowitz	Bingo. +1 >> "as if violence is the only means to fun ;)"	Nov 22 01:42
neighborlee	:)	Nov 22 01:42
schestowitz	That comes from education.	Nov 22 01:42
neighborlee	ive never had so much fun as I have playing wiitennis	Nov 22 01:42
schestowitz	Like animals, people are taught by examples (e.g. on television) that shoot is hip, just like drinking alcohol, having one-night stands, vandalising, etc.	Nov 22 01:42
neighborlee	wiigolf some, wiibowling I love too from HS days..but wiitennnis rocks my world, if only for a few hours a week or such...major fun ;)	Nov 22 01:43
neighborlee	when im not doing it for real on a court :)	Nov 22 01:43
schestowitz	neighborlee: they don't know enough. Most people don;t.	Nov 22 01:43
schestowitz	Not here anyway.	Nov 22 01:43
neighborlee	yeah our system needs massiive updating ;)	Nov 22 01:43
neighborlee	peer pressure, education system, parental guidance yadda	Nov 22 01:43
neighborlee	it all adds up	Nov 22 01:43
schestowitz	neighborlee: wait until people ridicule you for playing the 'girl's' console instead of shooting people /sarcasm	Nov 22 01:44
schestowitz	Peer pressure factor	Nov 22 01:44
neighborlee	I was very lucky to have amazing pees and good examples..not everyone was so fortunate	Nov 22 01:44
neighborlee	LOL , they already do	Nov 22 01:44
schestowitz	You beat me to it re: peer pressure. This comes from a peer like TV+Radio too. These are 'peers' too	Nov 22 01:44
neighborlee	and some are friends doing it ;)	Nov 22 01:44
neighborlee	but as they know me well..it goes in one ear and out the other one..I;ll listen but they know better than to provoke me on such siimplistic means	Nov 22 01:45
schestowitz	It's a problem	Nov 22 01:45
schestowitz	Parental guidance makes some games /more/ desirable. They are seen as 'forbidden'	Nov 22 01:45
neighborlee	common ,our culture says a guy must fight and the 180 is girlish ;)	Nov 22 01:45
neighborlee	at least some families.	Nov 22 01:45
schestowitz	And people (well, kids) /do/ manage to get them somehow	Nov 22 01:46
schestowitz	That's not guy	Nov 22 01:46
schestowitz	That's beast	Nov 22 01:46
neighborlee	:)	Nov 22 01:46
schestowitz	Until we devolve	Nov 22 01:46
neighborlee	yeah kids get them sometimes one way or another..especially if parental guidance is low , if one parent say..yadda	Nov 22 01:46
neighborlee	trust me, I complained direct to wii when I hear of nasty M rated games coming to wii console	Nov 22 01:47
schestowitz	The education system is not the problem though.	Nov 22 01:47
neighborlee	direct to ninetendo <lol	Nov 22 01:47
schestowitz	Children seem to be exposed to violent stuff on TV, outside school.	Nov 22 01:47
neighborlee	Nintendo	Nov 22 01:47
schestowitz	I was a kid not so long ago, so that's how I remember it.	Nov 22 01:47
neighborlee	well I can tell you when I was a kid there was none of this..or if there was my parents shielded us from it	Nov 22 01:48
schestowitz	People are taught to imitate the Disney model first, then whatever adults watch.. Rocky (violence)... Die Hard (guns)...war films...	Nov 22 01:48
neighborlee	we watched 'some tv, but honestly most of my child life was outside doing something..at neighbors or riding bike or playing tennis...I was very active that way	Nov 22 01:48
neighborlee	no computers so yeah very active	Nov 22 01:48
schestowitz	Obsesity rises in the US, right?	Nov 22 01:49
schestowitz	Obesity up, smoking down.	Nov 22 01:49
neighborlee	not just violent but also shody pron,,its everywhere, and we wonder we have the issues we do in society..I dont wonder at all	Nov 22 01:49
schestowitz	Well, some smokers don't live long if you know what I mean. My grandma dies from it.	Nov 22 01:50
neighborlee	people eat due to stress, etc.	Nov 22 01:50
neighborlee	sorry to hear that ;(	Nov 22 01:50
schestowitz	Compensating selves	Nov 22 01:50
schestowitz	Same with smoking	Nov 22 01:50
neighborlee	my gfather did..like when I was 18 or such	Nov 22 01:50
schestowitz	Addiction=distraction	Nov 22 01:50
neighborlee	yeah	Nov 22 01:50
neighborlee	war games are instant gratification..I see it in most gaming friends that are male..	Nov 22 01:51
neighborlee	though one female does it too to relieve day stress, but she also enjoys as much or more rpg where quests are as important as fps stuff	Nov 22 01:51
schestowitz	Addictive too (I too was addicted to them)	Nov 22 01:51
neighborlee	yup	Nov 22 01:51
schestowitz	It's an ego thing	Nov 22 01:52
schestowitz	Animal instinct	Nov 22 01:52
schestowitz	You improve all the time and boast machoism	Nov 22 01:52
neighborlee	I think the danger zone is when gamers enjoy them the more bloody and gorey the better.. fine if your a soldier I guess but beyond that hardly healthy :)	Nov 22 01:52
schestowitz	If only people knew that outsiders don't care..	Nov 22 01:52
neighborlee	yuppers exactly	Nov 22 01:52
schestowitz	Like people who can text fastest... who on earth knows about this 'skill'?	Nov 22 01:53
schestowitz	Same with metal though.	Nov 22 01:53
neighborlee	rofl	Nov 22 01:53
schestowitz	Gets more gory and violent... until black metal.	Nov 22 01:53
neighborlee	I dont get the whole text messaging fascination...I never bother.	Nov 22 01:53
schestowitz	Where singers commit suicide like it's a sort of vanity	Nov 22 01:53
schestowitz	Android has keyboard	Nov 22 01:53
neighborlee	I can see it applicable in school , but gez I just want to talk not text ;)	Nov 22 01:53
schestowitz	I saw it yesterday because a friend of mine got it	Nov 22 01:53
neighborlee	ahhh	Nov 22 01:54
schestowitz	It's nice.	Nov 22 01:54
neighborlee	yeah id love one..android and linux what a sweet combo ;)	Nov 22 01:54
schestowitz	iPhone is like Jessica Simpson.	Nov 22 01:54
schestowitz	Android is like Hillary Clinton	Nov 22 01:54
neighborlee	LOL	Nov 22 01:54
neighborlee	ok :)	Nov 22 01:54
schestowitz	It actually does work	Nov 22 01:54
neighborlee	im so glad hillary got sec. of state..im stoked ;)	Nov 22 01:54
schestowitz	Whatever keeps guys who say "folks" out of office...	Nov 22 01:55
neighborlee	lol	Nov 22 01:55
schestowitz	I don't trust Feds who talk about "folks" and "ranch"	Nov 22 01:55
neighborlee	lord knows	Nov 22 01:55
schestowitz	This leads to "big machine", "teh Google", and "Internet is tubes	Nov 22 01:55
schestowitz	The latter got busted for fraud BTW	Nov 22 01:56
schestowitz	Maybe he shills for telcos	Nov 22 01:56
neighborlee	you lost me on internet is tubes	Nov 22 01:57
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ser...	Nov 22 02:00
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...	Nov 22 02:01
schestowitz	"On October 27, 2008, Stevens was found guilty of all seven counts of making false statements. "	Nov 22 02:02
schestowitz	"I've got a virus, Doc" < http://www.computerworld.com/acti... >	Nov 22 02:05
neighborlee	LOL	Nov 22 02:07
neighborlee	yeah tubes ic ;)	Nov 22 02:07
neighborlee	stevens..thank god he was defeated..what a mell of a hess.	Nov 22 02:07
schestowitz	They have nice rocking chair in prison. ;-)	Nov 22 02:08
schestowitz	Dubya versus mother Ter.. nature... Bush set to relax endangered species rules < http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/11/... >	Nov 22 02:10
schestowitz	No surprise there... series of tubes... no Kyoto treaty... let Earth fry, animals disappear and get lots of oil..	Nov 22 02:11
neighborlee	schestowitz, I think its all bush has left...pander to angry humans bent on getting rights to kill kill kill as if forgetting about genesis 1: 29-31 :) < BIBLE RANT OVER> heh ;)	Nov 22 02:14
schestowitz	The issue is clear	Nov 22 02:14
schestowitz	He tarnished the image of the US	Nov 22 02:14
schestowitz	That will cost even after his departure	Nov 22 02:14
neighborlee	its far easier for some to go along with status quo than to have to think and devise change that helps us evole as a species and become oh dear I say it,,more godike ;)	Nov 22 02:14
schestowitz	fanaticism abroad, limited trade, etc.	Nov 22 02:14
schestowitz	*godlike??	Nov 22 02:15
neighborlee	well I mean...if one considers genesis 1:29-31, its sorta hard to argue for hunters rights ;)	Nov 22 02:15
schestowitz	I don't have a bible at hand	Nov 22 02:16
neighborlee	though my father was one and I loved my father, I never followed in his footsteps	Nov 22 02:16
schestowitz	Dubya's perpetrators in the UK have a similar effect here.	Nov 22 02:16
schestowitz	I know people who lost their jobs.	Nov 22 02:16
neighborlee	well it basically says,,god said for us only to eat herbs and fruits of the tree and that even the animals that fly and crawl are to do the same	Nov 22 02:16
neighborlee	alarmingly different than todays world, but thats what it says ;)	Nov 22 02:16
neighborlee	no surpise :(	Nov 22 02:17
schestowitz	Do monkeys eat meat?	Nov 22 02:17
schestowitz	Like any species?	Nov 22 02:17
neighborlee	sometimes yup	Nov 22 02:17
neighborlee	apes dont	Nov 22 02:17
schestowitz	What about the Hovo Sepians? ;-)	Nov 22 02:17
neighborlee	lol	Nov 22 02:18
schestowitz	They eat red Hats	Nov 22 02:18
schestowitz	And suck Microsoft's.. oh, never mind.	Nov 22 02:18
neighborlee	yum ;)	Nov 22 02:18
neighborlee	rofl	Nov 22 02:18
neighborlee	BAD timing ;)	Nov 22 02:18
schestowitz	Careful with the IRC log	Nov 22 02:18
schestowitz	Yes, bad timing	Nov 22 02:18
neighborlee	rofl	Nov 22 02:18
neighborlee	quite ;)	Nov 22 02:19
schestowitz	LMAO	Nov 22 02:19
neighborlee	I cant wait to see the spin on that one	Nov 22 02:19
neighborlee	err ahm...	Nov 22 02:19
neighborlee	hmm nvm ;)	Nov 22 02:19
schestowitz	Let's try this again.	Nov 22 02:19
schestowitz	They eat red Hats	Nov 22 02:19
neighborlee	ok ;) <ha>	Nov 22 02:19
neighborlee	indeed those peksy hats	Nov 22 02:19
neighborlee	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p... < amazing isn't it..no reply from saul's last post on 6/2008	Nov 22 02:22
neighborlee	speechless they are	Nov 22 02:22
neighborlee	that and geoken	Nov 22 02:22
schestowitz	twitter minutes ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/21/irc...	Nov 22 02:23
neighborlee	k	Nov 22 02:26
neighborlee	thx for adding seths comments..someone actually @gnome is MUCH harder to refute I'd imagine ;)	Nov 22 02:27
neighborlee	I hope to get a reply from him soon	Nov 22 02:27
schestowitz	Do you read books?	Nov 22 02:28
schestowitz	The author of this book contacted me a couple times today. It's worth a read <http://www.lulu.com/content/4964815 >. Have a look (free PDF).	Nov 22 02:29
schestowitz	The news comes to OSNews a month late: http://www.osnews.com/story/20568/EeePC_Retu...	Nov 22 02:31
neighborlee	sure I do	Nov 22 02:32
neighborlee	one im dong atm is electric universe	Nov 22 02:32
neighborlee	fascinating stuff	Nov 22 02:32
neighborlee	hm ;)	Nov 22 02:36
neighborlee	does sound interesting ;)	Nov 22 02:36
neighborlee	thx for link, downloading ;)))))	Nov 22 02:36
schestowitz	Wait, I'll get you the contact of the author	Nov 22 02:38
schestowitz	He's keen on getting feedback	Nov 22 02:38
schestowitz	If you decide to read it (it seemed pretty good based on a cursory look), mail me and I'll get you in touch with him.	Nov 22 02:39
schestowitz	I love things like Lulu or the Internet in general. It enables everyone to become a publishing authors. Some artists of various sorts come to light this way... singers, photographers, writers, geeks.	Nov 22 02:40
neighborlee	hmmm sweeet	Nov 22 02:41
neighborlee	interesting twitter post ;)	Nov 22 02:42
schestowitz	http://rollerweblogger.org/roller/entry/d... "Meena Vyas, Murthy Chintalapati and Allen Gilliland just published an article on BigAdmin that describes the architecture of blogs.sun.com, a Roller, Sun Web Server, Memcached and MySQL based site that averages 4 million hits a day with its two SunFire T2000 servers at 97% idle."	Nov 22 02:42
neighborlee	schestowitz, oh and yeah a few posts back..imagine the childhood phelps must have had to have turned out so 'sour' o_0,...phrases of let thee without sin case the first stone comes to mind.	Nov 22 02:44
neighborlee	hmm phone need charged <cell>brb	Nov 22 02:44
schestowitz	Good comments here (they also defend me): http://www.computerworld.com/c...	Nov 22 02:49
schestowitz	Phelps was in IBM... another s*tty company from some perspectives. As the above says: "The deal is morally wrong and should not be looked at in terms of money. Software patents are a problem non free software makers have more than free software does. No one owes M$ anything and should not have a say in anything to do with free software."	Nov 22 02:50
neighborlee	no joke ;0-	Nov 22 02:52
schestowitz	Hmmm.... that strong humour I wanted to link to this morning but didn't... 451 Group put it up....http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource... --> http://1938enterprise.com/steve-ba...	Nov 22 02:53
schestowitz	The Microsoft shillgang is excluding the priorities that matter: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-1...	Nov 22 02:57
schestowitz	Forrester corrupted by Microsoft money.	Nov 22 02:57
schestowitz	IDC corrupted by Microsoft money.	Nov 22 02:57
schestowitz	Gartner funded by Microsoft money.	Nov 22 02:58
schestowitz	Stupid Wintel press, saying "piracy"... "The recording industry is doing the Tennessee Waltz right now, thanks to a bill recently signed by Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen that commits nearly $10 million of taxpayer money to fighting music piracy on state campuses." < http://www.pcworld.com/article/154282/d... >	Nov 22 03:06
schestowitz	RIAA network... "Tennessee will spend $9.5 million on hardware, software, and the salaries of 21 staffers whose job is to monitor campus networks for signs of illegal file swapping." For the 'betterment' of the Internet... spying by a legion of MAFIAA fighters.	Nov 22 03:07
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/154357/... "At the end of May, Palm had 1,050 employees. On Thursday, the PalmInfocenter blog, citing unnamed sources, reported that around 200 Palm workers had been let go this week. "	Nov 22 03:09
schestowitz	One useless company buys another: McAfee acquires Secure Computing news < http://www.domainb.com/companies/companie... >	Nov 22 03:17
schestowitz	http://whirlpool.net.au/news/?id=1820 "iiNet managing director Michael Malone rubbished the claim, saying that "AFACT seems to expect ISPs to be judge, jury and executioner here". "We are meant to take their unfounded allegation, then cut customers off. That makes no sense. If someone is breaking the law, let the police and the courts do their job", he said."	Nov 22 03:21
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MinceR	how are you gentlemen !!	Nov 22 10:23
trmanco	fine	Nov 22 10:32
trmanco	and you?	Nov 22 10:32
MinceR	me too	Nov 22 10:38
trmanco	http://www.ksplice.com/	Nov 22 10:40
trmanco	ksplice is comming	Nov 22 10:42
MinceR	i thought it was here already	Nov 22 10:43
MinceR	i'm waiting for distros to support it	Nov 22 10:43
trmanco	http://marc.info/?l=linux-kerne...	Nov 22 10:44
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schestowitz	Hehe. http://apps.facebook.com/causes/151564?m...	Nov 22 13:01
schestowitz	Someone created it	Nov 22 13:01
trmanco	lol	Nov 22 13:03
trmanco	joined	Nov 22 13:12
trmanco	schestowitz, I just added you as a friend	Nov 22 13:19
*schestowitz looks		Nov 22 13:27
schestowitz	Novell is Microsoft... Novell and Microsoft in Celebratory Moods < http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/n... >	Nov 22 13:38
trmanco	Moonlight rich media plugin LOL	Nov 22 13:39
schestowitz	It's for Microsoft... y'know, instead of flowers.	Nov 22 13:40
schestowitz	I can't take CNET anymore. Even their 'open source' blog is Apple/iPhone fanboyism and MS apologism... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_...	Nov 22 13:53
trmanco	what? it is Asay, what else should you expect from him?	Nov 22 13:57
schestowitz	I think I'd dump his RSS feed. Not good for my bl00d pr3ssure ;-)	Nov 22 13:58
schestowitz	Publicity by FUD: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/...	Nov 22 13:59
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schestowitz	Blankenhorn entertains SCO shills: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-sour...	Nov 22 14:01
schestowitz	Like other n00bs from CNET who don't know the guy is anti-FOSS	Nov 22 14:01
neighborlee_	I dont think silverlight is getting many inroads atm, at least not towhere I frequent which is CNN , gamespot ,,,,,having competitors to flash is fine, but at least flash has a direct download for linux whereas ahem we know silverlight doesn't ;)..	Nov 22 14:07
schestowitz	Here's the type of announcement where Microsoft pretends to 'take on Google' or 'gain in supercomputers' (it never does): http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/battle-...	Nov 22 14:21
schestowitz	Why is MarketWatch peddling this stuff?	Nov 22 14:21
_doug	See this free advert for the Xbox pretending to be in interview ..	Nov 22 14:23
_doug	http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008...	Nov 22 14:23
_doug	Brendon Burns, similar to Russell Brand, only he's really funny :0	Nov 22 14:24
schestowitz	Haha. First two lines...	Nov 22 14:26
schestowitz	Hidden messages?	Nov 22 14:26
_doug	Intellectual Ventures sponsors conference ..	Nov 22 14:27
_doug	http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?si...	Nov 22 14:27
_doug	Microsoft OpenOffice ..	Nov 22 14:28
_doug	http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505...	Nov 22 14:28
_doug	"Could Microsoft be feeding Intellectual Ventures ideas that it, in turn, can bludgeon Microsoft's competitors with?"	Nov 22 14:29
_doug	No, who could be that devious ?	Nov 22 14:29
_doug	Halliburton patent patent-trolling ..	Nov 22 14:31
_doug	http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/11/12/hallib...	Nov 22 14:31
_doug	"Methods for a first party to acquire and assert a patent property against a second party are disclosed"	Nov 22 14:31
_doug	satire ?	Nov 22 14:33
_doug	Microsoft's Open Source Operating System ..	Nov 22 14:34
_doug	http://www.infoq.com/news/200...	Nov 22 14:34
_doug	"You may use, copy, reproduce, and distribute this Software for any non-commercial academic purpose"	Nov 22 14:36
_doug	http://www.codeplex.com/sin...	Nov 22 14:36
schestowitz	Free labour	Nov 22 14:37
schestowitz	Windows made them miserable	Nov 22 14:37
schestowitz	So they kicks around some wasteful Arrr and Deee	Nov 22 14:37
_doug	"Microsoft is granted back, a non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, and sub-licensable license to, for any purpose"	Nov 22 14:37
schestowitz	*kicked	Nov 22 14:37
_doug	"the patent rights, if any, granted to you in this MSR-LA only apply to the Software, not to any derivative works you make"	Nov 22 14:38
schestowitz	Sounds like Microsoft... they need 'pawns' to write code cheaply	Nov 22 14:38
schestowitz	http://www.infoq.com/news/200...	Nov 22 14:40
schestowitz	Pretending to be FOSS people..	Nov 22 14:40
schestowitz	Look. Code... don't watch the licence... buy Windows, Office... DRM...	Nov 22 14:40
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Omar87	Hey schestowitz	Nov 22 14:52
Omar87	So what about Facebook? Why did it get sued?	Nov 22 14:52
Omar87	ping schestowitz	Nov 22 14:54
*Received a CTCP PING 1227366127 from Omar87		Nov 22 14:54
schestowitz	Hey, Omar87	Nov 22 14:56
schestowitz	What's up?	Nov 22 14:56
schestowitz	Facebook was sued by a troll. The USPTO is a mess.	Nov 22 14:56
schestowitz	It would do more for the economy if it became a brothel or something. It lost all proprtion	Nov 22 14:57
schestowitz	They essentially replace an economy of goods into an economy of thoughts, where people own thoughts only if they are 'first to apply' for these thoughts. Making an hamburger is a thought too! :-)	Nov 22 14:59
schestowitz	'Jacobsen' Gives Legs to Open Source < http://www.law.com/jsp/legaltech... >	Nov 22 15:23
schestowitz	SJVN is right on: Microsoft will end up buying Yahoo < http://practical-tech.com/business/mi... >. "But, why would Ballmer even bother to offer that much? All he has to do is keep saying that Microsoft has no interest in buying Yahoo, watch the company’s stock sink even lower, and then swoop in, at say $5 a share."	Nov 22 15:39
Omar87	Mr Roy, can I ask you for some personal consultation?	Nov 22 15:44
schestowitz	Sure, go ahead. Hehe... "Mr Roy..." :-)	Nov 22 15:45
Omar87	:)	Nov 22 15:45
Omar87	Umm, since you seem to be a professional blogger (maybe even journalist), how do you suggest I start my blogging career?	Nov 22 15:46
_doug	Remember the Julie Amero case ?	Nov 22 15:48
_doug	The classroom windows98 computer was infested with porno viruses ..	Nov 22 15:49
_doug	They charged her with a felony ..	Nov 22 15:49
_doug	Well, what do ya know ..	Nov 22 15:49
Omar87	You see? There are so many things I'd to talk about, so many thoughts and ideas I'd like to share with the world. But whenever I sit in front of my Blog, and try to start a new topic, words just refuse to come out. I just don't know what to write or how to express this thought or that.. Can you give me some enlightenment?	Nov 22 15:49
schestowitz	Omar87: blogging or writing is hardly a career.	Nov 22 15:49
_doug	Julie Amero pleads guilty to disorderly conduct ..	Nov 22 15:49
_doug	http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-julie...	Nov 22 15:49
schestowitz	I make no money from this and literature is becoming Free like code.	Nov 22 15:49
Omar87	schestowitz: I didn't mean it literally.	Nov 22 15:50
_doug	'"Oh honey, it's over. I feel wonderful," Amero said a few minutes after pleading guilty to disorderly conduct and agreeing to surrender her teaching license'	Nov 22 15:50
schestowitz	If you write something people want to know about as much as you, then you do a hobby while others listen too.	Nov 22 15:50
Omar87	schestowitz: Yeah, that's right.	Nov 22 15:50
schestowitz	At schestowitz.com I lack scope, but I must have that too for ranting. :-)	Nov 22 15:50
schestowitz	_doug: yes, I remember that case.	Nov 22 15:51
schestowitz	Dismissed, but lots of damage done..	Nov 22 15:51
schestowitz	Omar87: best thing for blogging is to read news and use input as starting points.	Nov 22 15:51
schestowitz	I take notes as I go through the feeds (then sticking these notes together to make a unique analysis	Nov 22 15:52
schestowitz	That's how most ideas are formed. Nothing is original but we paste and weave together facts and axioms, then draw conclusions form them	Nov 22 15:52
twitter	good morning. Has the user G. Michaels ever posted anything but twitter attacks? If not, he should be flagged if not booted. I'm tired of his spam.	Nov 22 15:52
Eruaran	hello all	Nov 22 15:53
schestowitz	G. M. is likely to be flagged like Gentoo User	Nov 22 15:53
Omar87	schestowitz: Thanks a lot. ^_^	Nov 22 15:53
schestowitz	They both came after you from /. posting nothing but attacks which bother other readers (they asked for such attacks to be deleted)	Nov 22 15:53
schestowitz	Hey, Eruaran	Nov 22 15:53
*Omar87 says hello back to Eruaran.		Nov 22 15:54
Omar87	schestowitz: That's what most losers do when they have nothing else to say.	Nov 22 15:55
schestowitz	It makes them feel better. it's called the bully complex, IIRC	Nov 22 15:55
twitter	It would be good to delete the attack and keep a record of it. It shows the the attackers for what they are.	Nov 22 15:55
schestowitz	twitter: how do you mean...?	Nov 22 15:56
twitter	Times of posting and number of posts are useful information.	Nov 22 15:56
schestowitz	I never deleted comments unless it abused me by trying to sell I need V1agra, asian girls, or something to do with Web cams. :-)	Nov 22 15:56
Omar87	twitter: It also works for a good proof to Richard Stallmans quote: "Idiots can be defeated but they just never admit it." ;)	Nov 22 15:56
twitter	Do the work 24/7? How many times have they struck in time. That kind of thing.	Nov 22 15:57
schestowitz	Omar87: yes, it's true. They usually run away if they lose a debate	Nov 22 15:57
schestowitz	They attack within minutes.	Nov 22 15:57
twitter	Actually, the M$ people just keep saying the same things when you are not away.	Nov 22 15:57
schestowitz	Quite a few people read the IRC logs too	Nov 22 15:57
twitter	*around.	Nov 22 15:58
twitter	flagging the attacks and linking to a statistics page would be useful.	Nov 22 16:00
Omar87	schestowitz: Or, instead of running away, they stay there and keep proving to you how stupid they are by just splashing flames at you. :)	Nov 22 16:00
schestowitz	twitter: oh, I see what you mean.	Nov 22 16:00
schestowitz	A post containing proofs of a pattern of attacks?	Nov 22 16:00
schestowitz	Omar87: sometimes they plant libel and link to it, esp. in USENET	Nov 22 16:01
Omar87	schestowitz: libel?	Nov 22 16:02
schestowitz	Yes.	Nov 22 16:02
schestowitz	Like this: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&am...	Nov 22 16:03
neighborlee_	ok woah ,,thats freaky.	Nov 22 16:06
Eruaran	From an average user perspective I really don't understand the whole Mono thing... Questionable .NET implementation when you have Java. It makes absolutely no sense to me unless you look at it from a Microsoft/Novell trojan perspective.	Nov 22 16:10
schestowitz	Novell must keep Microsoft happy	Nov 22 16:11
Eruaran	And the apps they plug as examples of how great it is are just duplications of already existing software that Novell wont contribute anything to.	Nov 22 16:11
schestowitz	In the past there were reasons.	Nov 22 16:11
schestowitz	Miguel wanted a GPL-ed stack to build the desktop (Qt was closed)	Nov 22 16:12
schestowitz	He later wanted a better p/l/framework and Java was closed	Nov 22 16:12
schestowitz	But not it's time for change, esp. after the 2006 that Miguel himself condemned last year	Nov 22 16:12
Eruaran	And the way they go on about rapid application development... I just don't see it in practice. I've seen more nice new apps for KDE4 appear in the last few months than I've seen Mono apps, ever.	Nov 22 16:12
schestowitz	Moreover, he ought to remember clearly how his beloved Microsoft is threatening to sue Linux now... with patents.	Nov 22 16:13
Omar87	schestowitz: By "suing Linux", who do they exactly mean?	Nov 22 16:13
Eruaran	As far as rapid app development goes, how is Mono better than Qt or Java ? Or MonoDevelop better than Qt Designer etc, or Eclipse ?	Nov 22 16:15
schestowitz	Omar87: they just do extortion.	Nov 22 16:15
schestowitz	With Red Hat and all..	Nov 22 16:15
schestowitz	They don't want to sue, but they can pressure with trolls like Myhrvold	Nov 22 16:16
schestowitz	They want 'Linux tax', preferably just with racketeering and no legal action.	Nov 22 16:16
Omar87	schestowitz: But as we All know, Red Hat is not Linux, Red Hat only uses Linux.	Nov 22 16:16
Eruaran	As far as desktops go, I see KDE moving rapidly forward along with apps being developed for it - people seem to have clear minds and clear goals and this is giving KDE a lot of momentum.	Nov 22 16:16
schestowitz	Bunch of gangsters really, but that's Microsoft for you..	Nov 22 16:16
schestowitz	The govt. overlooking them ain't necessarily better	Nov 22 16:17
schestowitz	Microsoft, like Bush, is a xenophobe at heart. Only Microsoft is allowed to exist... but for charity and betterment of humanity.	Nov 22 16:17
schestowitz	Eruaran: Marble is nice	Nov 22 16:18
Eruaran	yes	Nov 22 16:18
Eruaran	I think people like Aaron Seigo pointing the way forward in very clear, "we've made this, its very nice, and this is where were heading" fashion, without anything being dependent upon questionable tools, has done more to attract developer interest and support than anything Miguel de Icaza has sone.	Nov 22 16:21
twitter	Red Hat is a commercial user of GNU/Linux. M$ wants to be the only commercial software company and to destroy non commercial distribution. They have always used and abused free software towards this goal.	Nov 22 16:22
Eruaran	Look at what has happened in the past year with KDE... after a rough start with 4.0, things have serious momentum now.	Nov 22 16:22
neighborlee_	If mono supporters want to be taken seriously on any level, how can they expect it when their replies often take the form of hateful curses ?..Such discourse was tried 2000 years ago, and it didn't work then either ;)	Nov 22 16:22
twitter	Did KDE 4.0 really have a rough start or was it all just FUD and premature use?	Nov 22 16:23
Eruaran	I guess a lot of it was FUD, and people didn't understand who the release was really for.	Nov 22 16:23
Eruaran	KDE has always been, "release early, release often"	Nov 22 16:24
twitter	What distributions actually made it the default?	Nov 22 16:24
twitter	Debian still uses 3.5 for Etch and Lenny.	Nov 22 16:24
Eruaran	Kubuntu made 4.1 default	Nov 22 16:24
twitter	From what I read on the KDE Quality list, the features for KDE 4.0 were available but not revealed yet. It's code name was kalamity or something like that.	Nov 22 16:25
*schestowitz on phone		Nov 22 16:25
neighborlee_	mandriva Mandriva Linux 2009 < kde 4.1 default	Nov 22 16:26
twitter	Byfield jumped right on the FUD waggon, that irked me.	Nov 22 16:26
neighborlee_	I saw that..I was somewhat surprised	Nov 22 16:26
Eruaran	Aaron says in his blog that 4.1 was for core KDE users, and 4.2 is the one he would roll out in a commercial environment.	Nov 22 16:27
twitter	They use the Linux numbering system, odd is experimental, even is ready for use and zero is avoid?	Nov 22 16:28
Eruaran	think so...	Nov 22 16:29
twitter	Duh, I'm sorry, they can't because 3.5.9 is stable.	Nov 22 16:29
Eruaran	lol true	Nov 22 16:29
twitter	I still imagine zero is "avoid"	Nov 22 16:29
Eruaran	Or, maybe they use it until it is stable and then not worry about it	Nov 22 16:30
Eruaran	(which sounds really dumb I know)	Nov 22 16:30
twitter	not if you are a developer and that's your groove	Nov 22 16:31
Eruaran	After Roy mentioned Marble I realised I don't have it installed... "Marble ! Why don't I have Marble installed ?!"... installing now :P	Nov 22 16:32
Eruaran	This is rather nice	Nov 22 16:38
Eruaran	installs addons	Nov 22 16:39
twitter	ugh, you are right Roy, within minutes http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/21/irc-l...	Nov 22 16:42
twitter	Never mind, it seems to be an active discussion.	Nov 22 16:43
twitter	Dan and Jo both jumping on within one minute of each other is suspicious though.	Nov 22 16:44
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schestowitz	I'm done spending times with them.	Nov 22 17:17
trmanco	http://www.ubudsl.com/en/start.php	Nov 22 17:28
neighborlee_	ROFL, now Im being accused of no longer being 'holier than thou < as I ever said I was, I mean palease>, and a basher of non foss when I use gmail :)) ...	Nov 22 17:30
*neighborlee_ is now known as holierthanthou		Nov 22 17:30
holierthanthou	o_0	Nov 22 17:30
holierthanthou	I guess I am LOL	Nov 22 17:30
*holierthanthou is now known as neighborlee		Nov 22 17:30
neighborlee	:)	Nov 22 17:30
trmanco	lol	Nov 22 17:31
trmanco	Court Grants OLPC's Motions Dismissing Lancor's Claims in Nigeria: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?st...	Nov 22 17:43
trmanco	Six reasons Microsoft will continue to lose market share: http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/11/21/...	Nov 22 18:19
schestowitz	Neowin??	Nov 22 18:21
schestowitz	Wow.	Nov 22 18:21
trmanco	check the comments	Nov 22 18:21
trmanco	that was my point	Nov 22 18:21
schestowitz	It's a Microsofty site. They'll defend their Sugar Daddy.	Nov 22 18:22
trmanco	"Well Microsoft is going to giving anti-virus for free next year so if that goes well #5 won't be trouble.	Nov 22 18:22
trmanco	With today's system specs Vista isn't a problem at all. It's a stable Operating System." ooh so stable	Nov 22 18:22
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trmanco	yes I know, a lot a fanboyism going on	Nov 22 18:23
trmanco	did I spell it right?	Nov 22 18:23
schestowitz	fanboism?	Nov 22 18:23
schestowitz	Now it's them with the back against the wall	Nov 22 18:24
PetoKraus	hello lads	Nov 22 18:24
trmanco	yes that, I did misspell it	Nov 22 18:24
trmanco	Hi	Nov 22 18:24
schestowitz	Not Apple users or Free software users. Microsoft on the defence... debt, sagging sales, convictions near in some areas where they commit crimes.	Nov 22 18:24
_doug	http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?s...	Nov 22 18:28
_doug	"I heard from several of Alfresco's partners that they are not allowed to do projects based on Alfresco's GPL edition because their partnership contract denied them the right to do so."	Nov 22 18:28
_doug	IS this true Roy ?	Nov 22 18:28
trmanco	LOL, add 1 million more Windows zombies to the big number already in existence -> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Fake-Windows... Fake Windows “Antivirus” Code Infected 1 Million Computers	Nov 22 18:29
schestowitz	I know they don't like forks	Nov 22 18:29
schestowitz	Someone asked them for help with a fork.	Nov 22 18:29
schestowitz	trmanco: one million. What's that? Like 0.3% more?	Nov 22 18:30
trmanco	yeah probably	Nov 22 18:30
trmanco	How many estimated Windows zombies are there? I can't recall	Nov 22 18:31
_doug	another slow day on slashdot ..	Nov 22 18:31
schestowitz	320 mil (in April 2008)	Nov 22 18:31
schestowitz	Slow days in general, _doug	Nov 22 18:31
trmanco	:O	Nov 22 18:31
schestowitz	The economy is sinking	Nov 22 18:32
trmanco	more than I thought	Nov 22 18:32
PetoKraus	well	Nov 22 18:32
PetoKraus	i had a nice day	Nov 22 18:32
PetoKraus	i brought SystemRestoreCD to work	Nov 22 18:32
PetoKraus	it's a linux-based livecd	Nov 22 18:32
schestowitz	http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2...	Nov 22 18:32
PetoKraus	i managed to get his data off the HDD without needing to screw it out	Nov 22 18:33
schestowitz	Why not a visit to the PC 'doctor'?	Nov 22 18:41
schestowitz	Only 50 quid for the same thing. ;-)	Nov 22 18:41
_doug	Which HD, do you keeps backups ?	Nov 22 18:43
_doug	Good grief, you didn't keep backups and you call yourself a techie	Nov 22 18:46
_doug	:O	Nov 22 18:46
schestowitz	I think it's for a mate	Nov 22 18:48
PetoKraus	_doug: no, we don't keep backups	Nov 22 18:49
PetoKraus	and it's €£40	Nov 22 18:49
PetoKraus	i don't care about mr. Iain's wedding pictures	Nov 22 18:49
PetoKraus	though I wanted to ask him about his website business	Nov 22 18:49
PetoKraus	gosh, i spent like 4 hours with that thing	Nov 22 18:50
PetoKraus	you wouldn't fkn believe how long does it take to check and resize 300GB vfat...	Nov 22 18:50
_doug	You did get paid, yea ?	Nov 22 18:51
_doug	personally I stopped doing free tech-support a long time ago ...	Nov 22 18:52
schestowitz	PetoKraus: took me like 1-2 hours to repartition that size on a dual-core box.	Nov 22 18:52
PetoKraus	yeah	Nov 22 18:52
schestowitz	_doug: it's the Windows culture.	Nov 22 18:52
PetoKraus	_doug: i am paid €£7 per hour	Nov 22 18:52
PetoKraus	quite reasonable for a student in glasgow	Nov 22 18:52
trmanco	that is good	Nov 22 18:53
PetoKraus	though i feel it's quite a charity from their part	Nov 22 18:53
schestowitz	Free software community = swap code and plugins; Windows community: 'free' support, symapthy for losses (suppot group)	Nov 22 18:53
_doug	I don't go up to people and say, come round and do my accounts, fix the washing machine, for free ..	Nov 22 18:53
PetoKraus	yup	Nov 22 18:53
schestowitz	But Windows...	Nov 22 18:53
PetoKraus	i wouldn't charge a friend, though	Nov 22 18:53
_doug	Someone actually said, I thought you would do it for nothing :0	Nov 22 18:53
schestowitz	Well, you come to expect it.	Nov 22 18:53
schestowitz	Children do this..	Nov 22 18:53
schestowitz	You can't pay children.	Nov 22 18:53
schestowitz	Another thing indeed is friends and family that beg	Nov 22 18:54
schestowitz	And if time is worth money... then... you know, TCO and all..	Nov 22 18:54
PetoKraus	they moved me from sales to tech	Nov 22 18:54
PetoKraus	it's delight	Nov 22 18:54
PetoKraus	i can actually bitch about M$ all the time	Nov 22 18:55
PetoKraus	and i am not getting fired :D	Nov 22 18:55
_doug	As a favor, I copied pics off a camera and FTPd them to their client, all I got in thanks was .. your computer gave me a virus .. !!!	Nov 22 18:55
_doug	I said I don't use Windows, I *don't get viruses .. shoulda seen the glazed look on their faces ..	Nov 22 18:56
trmanco	:)	Nov 22 18:56
PetoKraus	i don't really get why we don't switch to unix/bsd at work	Nov 22 18:57
schestowitz	I have a question	Nov 22 18:57
PetoKraus	ESPECIALLY when you deal with virus-riddled software half the time	Nov 22 18:58
schestowitz	How can I expose an E-mail fro Microsoft?	Nov 22 18:58
schestowitz	(without Microsoft knowing where it came from?	Nov 22 18:58
trmanco	headers?	Nov 22 18:58
schestowitz	Would anonimising it help?	Nov 22 18:58
schestowitz	*ny	Nov 22 18:58
_doug	expose an email ?	Nov 22 19:03
schestowitz	Yes.	Nov 22 19:03
schestowitz	If I remove names it might help, no?	Nov 22 19:03
schestowitz	Like... all name apart from affiliations	Nov 22 19:03
_doug	If it's private and addressed to you then it should stay private until you get the permission of the sender ..	Nov 22 19:03
schestowitz	Only the recipient can ask for premission.	Nov 22 19:04
twitter	Just quote it and the headers that show what mail server sent ti.	Nov 22 19:05
twitter	it	Nov 22 19:05
_doug	corroborate from other sources, or paraphrase the contents, post on it and ask for confirmation or denial ...	Nov 22 19:06
twitter	ultimately people will have to trust you that you did not make the mail up, even if you quote the whole thing.	Nov 22 19:06
schestowitz	The thing is, I don't respect Microsoft much.	Nov 22 19:06
schestowitz	It's not as though they have been respectful to people, to say the least	Nov 22 19:06
twitter	respect has to be earned.	Nov 22 19:06
schestowitz	Just watch the Intel/Micfrosoft crime that's in court now.	Nov 22 19:07
schestowitz	If they commit crime, why should one be civil at the lowest of levels?	Nov 22 19:07
schestowitz	I can just omit the names.	Nov 22 19:07
twitter	criminals, once convicted, should never be trusted.	Nov 22 19:07
schestowitz	No?	Nov 22 19:07
twitter	you should always be civil, but not trusting.	Nov 22 19:07
twitter	protect yourself when dealing with them and do your best to avoid that.	Nov 22 19:08
schestowitz	I think I can anonymise this and put it up in such a way that those involved won't notice	Nov 22 19:08
_doug	gtg ..	Nov 22 19:09
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twitter	If you have evidence of fraud, it is your duty to expose it. Good luck protecting the innocent if they work for or with M$.	Nov 22 19:11
neighborlee	its interesting to see the rhetoric about moonlight, when neither debian or fedora are going anywhere near it ;)..and when they do points things out, they almost always descend into pesonal attacks, like Dan O'B did to me with the holier than thou comment..classy ;)	Nov 22 19:11
twitter	M$ style.	Nov 22 19:11
neighborlee	yeah if im holier than thou for trying to do that, then I accept the definition LOL	Nov 22 19:11
twitter	name calling is all they have. It's surprising they think they can insult their way into things and make friends that way.	Nov 22 19:12
neighborlee	quite.	Nov 22 19:13
schestowitz	twitter: thanks.	Nov 22 19:13
schestowitz	neighborlee: the mail is about Mono.	Nov 22 19:13
neighborlee	ey ?	Nov 22 19:13
schestowitz	MS shot in foot.	Nov 22 19:13
schestowitz	They want to sell a Mono licence.	Nov 22 19:13
neighborlee	what mail about mono	Nov 22 19:14
schestowitz	It's getting fun, eh?	Nov 22 19:14
neighborlee	what did I miss	Nov 22 19:14
schestowitz	neighborlee: I'll post it later.	Nov 22 19:14
neighborlee	o_0	Nov 22 19:14
neighborlee	okie dokie	Nov 22 19:14
schestowitz	Maybe we can knock a nail on Monovell's coffin, with the exception of SUSE (they are already 'protected', no?)	Nov 22 19:14
neighborlee	:)	Nov 22 19:16
schestowitz	It would be useful if you spread the word once it's posted.	Nov 22 19:19
PetoKraus	well	Nov 22 19:33
PetoKraus	whatever	Nov 22 19:33
schestowitz	Haha. "Uniformity is not always a good thing,” said Tsilas. “At the end of the day, we should have a more dynamic market, and live in a world of ‘and,’ not ‘either/or.’”	Nov 22 20:15
schestowitz	Say Microsoft lawyers behind the racketeering...	Nov 22 20:16
twitter	Hi, I did a little analysis of yesterday's Jo Shield's flame fest. Counted comments and computed average response times. Would you believe that other people responded faster than you could Roy?	Nov 22 20:43
twitter	I'm going to email you the results.	Nov 22 20:43
schestowitz	neighborlee: check front page of BN	Nov 22 20:45
schestowitz	OK, thanks, twitter.	Nov 22 20:45
neighborlee	ok thx	Nov 22 20:47
twitter	It surprised me. Because you have the best monitoring of the site and knowledge of the situation, I expected you to be the fastest responder.	Nov 22 20:50
Eruaran	A short while ago I suggested to someone who appears to be astroturfing on youtube that Vista 7 looks like M$ devs spent the last 12 months studying KDE 4.x and browing at kde-look.org... The funny part is that his response was to say that "you probably have never used KDE" (lol) and that suggesting ANYTHING in Vista 7 has been copied from elsewhere is "ridiculous".	Nov 22 20:51
twitter	Some of the response time can be explained as more than one person participating to harass you, but that can't explain the fast response times of low number participants.	Nov 22 20:53
neighborlee	schestowitz, interesting :)	Nov 22 20:55
twitter	The raw numbers are:	Nov 22 20:55
twitter	stevetheFLY,0:03,1	Nov 22 20:56
twitter	Josh Bell,0:04,2	Nov 22 20:56
twitter	AlexH,0:07,7	Nov 22 20:56
twitter	Jo Shields,0:07,24	Nov 22 20:56
twitter	Roy Schestowitz,0:08,39	Nov 22 20:56
twitter	Cor,0:12,2	Nov 22 20:56
twitter	Dan O'Brian,0:15,13	Nov 22 20:56
twitter	Chris,0:18,2	Nov 22 20:57
twitter	twitter,0:24,3	Nov 22 20:57
schestowitz	Cor seems to be close to SUSE's headquarters, but this might not mean much	Nov 22 20:57
schestowitz	The smears from s/he/it appear in other sites too	Nov 22 20:57
twitter	I'm now going back to look at the contents.	Nov 22 20:59
schestowitz	These are separate people, but they spend a lot of time in a site they merely protest against	Nov 22 21:00
Eruaran	Ballmer ordered to testify in 'Vista Capable' suit: http://www.computerworld.com/action...	Nov 22 21:03
twitter	The comments may come from different places but they are coordinated and similar. If they are really separate people, do they lurk on IRC or pass email between each other to go to a gang bang in which no one's average time of response is less than 24 minutes? It's uncanny.	Nov 22 21:03
schestowitz	This is so cool. A reader just sent me this: http://boycottnovell.com/resourc...	Nov 22 21:07
schestowitz	Eruaran: I posted about it 5 minutes ago. :-D	Nov 22 21:07
Eruaran	oh :P	Nov 22 21:07
schestowitz	Have a look.	Nov 22 21:07
schestowitz	I'll add your link	Nov 22 21:07
twitter	One difference of opinion from yesterday's flame fest is easy to check. You claim Jo is pushing mono in both Debian and Ubuntu. Jo implies he's only interested in Ubuntu. Have you documented Jo's advocacy in other distributions?	Nov 22 21:32
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schestowitz	twitter: I haven't no.	Nov 22 21:37
twitter	OK. I thought it was strange that Jo did not deny that right away.	Nov 22 22:04
schestowitz	Well, it seems true.	Nov 22 22:06
schestowitz	But let's no talk about people.	Nov 22 22:06
schestowitz	Let us make it clear that some people who are close to the Mono centre of gravity (mostly Novell\|Microsoft) are pursuing Mono and defending it from critics.	Nov 22 22:07
twitter	I'm not sure I'm talking about people or nyms.	Nov 22 22:07
twitter	Here's my flame ratio count from yesterday's conversation:	Nov 22 22:07
schestowitz	I replies to this thing a minute ago:	Nov 22 22:08
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/21/micro...	Nov 22 22:08
twitter	stevetheFLY1.00	Nov 22 22:08
twitter	Josh Bell0.50	Nov 22 22:08
twitter	AlexH0.29	Nov 22 22:08
twitter	Jo Shields0.29	Nov 22 22:08
twitter	Roy Schestowitz0.05	Nov 22 22:08
twitter	Cor1.00	Nov 22 22:08
twitter	Dan O'Brian0.62	Nov 22 22:08
twitter	Chris1.00	Nov 22 22:08
schestowitz	Brit posting from Germany	Nov 22 22:08
twitter	My analysis of the content of the discussion is that it was coordinated attack designed to discredit the site.	Nov 22 22:09
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schestowitz	hey, pcolon.	Nov 22 22:11
pcolon	Hi there, just got out of work.	Nov 22 22:12
twitter	Analysis follows:	Nov 22 22:12
twitter	The thread was a coordinated, nym filled attempt to discredit the site as, "a haven for lies, half-truths, and absence of fact" The speed at which people jumped on a percieved slip up, "vested interests" with the same anger is unlikely to be spontanious or the result of more than one or two people's mind,	Nov 22 22:13
twitter	yet there were obsenively nine people in the conversation. Average response times and 100% flame to comment ratios indicate that several minor paricipants were nyms. Major attackers agreed with each other in dismissing reputable sources such as Groklaw and the FSLC. The unmistakable conclusion is that fewer people than names were involved and that the people involved coordianted their attack	Nov 22 22:13
twitter	Jo himself was intereested in accusations not correcting mistakes. He starts the conversation with a flame which attempts to discredit the site. "explaining this site’s content," is the way he puts it as he rails against, "make up random things" from readers and Roy's, "made-up reality."	Nov 22 22:13
twitter	Much baiting follows and is joined by others or nyms who all call Roy a liar. Jo refuses requests to explain his motivation while he continues to insult and ultimately agreeing with the Dan, the Novell party line man and veering into poorly founded and unrelated patent and DeCSS discussions, MP3 and DVD playing.	Nov 22 22:14
twitter	Other participants add little more than insult and Novell party line. Dan claims, "Roy wants to be world dictator - anyone who disagrees with him should be hung or burned at the stake" before laughably asserting that nothing learned between 2006 and now could be cause for alarm and that mono is safe.	Nov 22 22:14
twitter	The opinion of the FSLC is dismissed along with Roy as a manevolent twisting of ignorant opinion. He digs up the old news groups cannard of image copyright, "piracy."	Nov 22 22:14
twitter	Participants Chris and Cor provide nothing but flames.	Nov 22 22:15
twitter	Flames were defined as obvious, personal attacks. Comments directed against Novell, Microsoft and other companies were not considered flames because no one claims to be employed by them.	Nov 22 22:16
pcolon	Yet they defend them (MS-NOVL) vehemently	Nov 22 22:17
schestowitz	They try to put the site on the defensive rather than themselves (Mono boosters)	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz	That's erroneous in my eyes	Nov 22 22:18
schestowitz	The same goes for the SUSE/Novell people. We're not the bad guys.	Nov 22 22:18
twitter	and the attackers are not who they say they are.	Nov 22 22:19
schestowitz	Let me check some IPs	Nov 22 22:20
schestowitz	Cor is German	Nov 22 22:20
schestowitz	I know the ful name	Nov 22 22:20
schestowitz	I think Chris is German too	Nov 22 22:20
schestowitz	[we get the most abuse from Germany]	Nov 22 22:21
twitter	it will be interesting if you can get anything as you did when you checked downloading agents. I would think they'd be bright enough to use botnets but ...	Nov 22 22:21
twitter	M$ PR drones are never as clever as they think they are.	Nov 22 22:21
schestowitz	I don't think there's "agents" here.	Nov 22 22:22
twitter	Steve the Fly?	Nov 22 22:22
schestowitz	Some of them might be related to Novell employees (friends, family, colleagues)	Nov 22 22:22
schestowitz	Steve the Fly is "eet"	Nov 22 22:22
schestowitz	He attacks Novell critics not just in BN	Nov 22 22:22
schestowitz	Beranger tossed him almost...	Nov 22 22:23
twitter	They might be related to Novell employees and they might be nodes on the botnet.	Nov 22 22:23
PetoKraus	schestowitz: where	Nov 22 22:23
schestowitz	No, the style is unique and consistent	Nov 22 22:23
schestowitz	PetoKraus: let me find it.	Nov 22 22:23
PetoKraus	sure	Nov 22 22:23
twitter	Normal relatives, like my wife stay far away from this shit.	Nov 22 22:24
twitter	bbl	Nov 22 22:24
PetoKraus	xD	Nov 22 22:24
PetoKraus	calling wife "normal relative" can be a bit tricky	Nov 22 22:24
schestowitz	http://beranger.org/index.php?page=...	Nov 22 22:24
PetoKraus	if my wife called me just a "normal relative", i wouldn't be quiet :P	Nov 22 22:24
schestowitz	"Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce you an advanced Web vandal.	Nov 22 22:24
schestowitz	I'm not sure if his name is really Sebastian Weiss or not, or if he uses the nickname "eet" in some other places or only here.	Nov 22 22:24
schestowitz	But one of his e-mail addresses is strommael@gmx.net, that's a safe bet for now.	Nov 22 22:24
schestowitz	Due to his vandalism, he managed to get all his comments he posted on this blog deleted. "	Nov 22 22:24
schestowitz	"My German Nazi friend (that's how I will name this vandal from now on) seems to be a seasoned SUSE user and a strong advocate of Novell.	Nov 22 22:25
schestowitz	On Sep. 9, 2005, I thought myself that Novell has genius. But I don't believe this anymore.	Nov 22 22:25
schestowitz	What kind of vandal is this guy?"	Nov 22 22:25
PetoKraus	:)	Nov 22 22:27
schestowitz	I don't think anyone else in BN and Planete Berangeer ever required the same type of especial treatment.	Nov 22 22:40
schestowitz	I can't figure out why so many people read BN today and more importantly, I can't understand where they come from.	Nov 22 22:41
pcolon	I think people are getting tired of being led where they do not want to go.	Nov 22 22:44

Comments

Dan O'Brian

2008-11-23 14:12:11

Neighborlee:

<neighborlee> people like to read objective pieces of news and ive never seen you post anything but that. I am adult enough to let you report, and I decide..those saying otherwise are insulting the readers intelligence, and doing that gives them ZERO credibility.

You wouldn't know objectivity if it smacked you upside the head.

Roy is one sided, dishonest, and extremely biased against Mono. He's not objective at all. Objective would be to present both sides of the story equally.

Badmouthing Mono is not presenting both sides, hence not objective. I would have expected an adult such as yourself to understand what objective means.
Roy Schestowitz

2008-11-23 14:15:50

Roy is one sided, dishonest, and extremely biased against Mono. He’s not objective at all. Objective would be to present both sides of the story equally.

I do hear it (I never censor) and I remain unmoved. There's a difference.
Dan O'Brian

2008-11-23 14:20:16

It is irrelevant if you hear it or not, you have to report it in order to be considered objective.

Currently, you are less objective than Fox News, and that says a lot (since you are unlikely to be familiar with Fox News).
Roy Schestowitz

2008-11-23 14:25:17

I am very familiar with Fox News and I strive to be better by leaving out the junk and the commercial interests, as opposed to the interests of society.

Direct link
jo Shields

2008-11-23 16:29:39

Irony: a made-up "report" absent of fact telling me off for pointing out the volume of fact-free made-up content

My baseline level of "faintly amused" with Boycott Novell's biggest supporters and contributors remains unchanged
Roy Schestowitz

2008-11-23 16:31:56

Which is the "made-up “report”"?
jo Shields

2008-11-23 16:53:29

twitter's little spiel about coordinated efforts, fr'example?

Perhaps it's possible for people *independently* to think this site is bad?
Roy Schestowitz

2008-11-23 17:01:20

I am the only one who sees the IPs in comments. That's why he's wrong.
G. Michaels

2008-11-24 00:51:08

Oh, the humanity. Watching Will Hill (twitter) ferret out alleged nymshifters is like listening to tobacco companies explain healthy lifestyles. Oh dear.

Note: writer of this comment adds absolutely nothing but stalking and personal attacks against readers, as documented here.

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 22nd 2008

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