| schestowitz | oiaohm2: good, then tell Apple to fight them | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is one of the biggest force in Europe /FOR/ sw patents | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| oiaohm2 | DRM tech is good for personal information from leaking. | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | Can't their lobbyists be locked up already? | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm2: that's not DRM | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| twitter | M$ is like that everywhere. | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm2: that has nothing to do with DRM | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | DRM protects from crackers | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| MinceR | that's encryption | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | Not from customers | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| MinceR | DRM protects from nobody | Jan 23 14:09 |
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| oiaohm2 | Digatil Right Management. | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | DRM as in encryption | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| MinceR | whoever can read the data has access to the key in some form | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | Encrpttion is about security, not a sales model | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| MinceR | which means they can copy it in a DRM-less form | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| oiaohm2 | Ie what staff should and should not have access to stuff. | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| MinceR | and that's access control | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| MinceR | still not DRM | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| oiaohm2 | DRM was not design for the Music industry to use at first. | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | es | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 23 14:10 |
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| twitter | The best way to protect personal information is to use a platform that's hard to crack into. | Jan 23 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | You can use encruption to hinder ACCESS to date | Jan 23 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | That doesn't involve scrambling the dats | Jan 23 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | *data | Jan 23 14:11 |
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| oiaohm2 | One of the first forms of DRM were encrypted documents. | Jan 23 14:11 |
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| oiaohm2 | With keys that allowed different users to access them. | Jan 23 14:11 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm2: if the recipient of the data is meant to handle the key, it isn't DRM | Jan 23 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 23 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | You beat me to it | Jan 23 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | So I can grab screenshots of the doc | Jan 23 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | Or copy and paste.. | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Protection GNOME | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| MinceR | DRM is based on the idea that they can't get at the key yet are magically able to decrypt the data in a controlled environment | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| oiaohm2 | TPM module stores keys because users were cracking them. | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| twitter | The next thing to do is to understand what information you have that should not really be shared - if you are a business, your customer's information should not be shared. What's not needed to help the customer should be deleted. | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. *GONE | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| MinceR | in other words, a pipe dream. | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Freudian slip | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| MinceR | the keys can be extracted from the TPM | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| oiaohm2 | Yes DRM controlled envorment like a business network it worked. | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| twitter | Finally, you need to restrict the information to those who really need it to help the customer and make sure you hire people you can trust (pay them well) | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| oiaohm2 | DRM used in a uncontrolled network like the internet it failed. | Jan 23 14:12 |
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| schestowitz | Watch how many ebooks leak | Jan 23 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | DRM... | Jan 23 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | Just expiring people's reading... | Jan 23 14:13 |
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| twitter | digital restrictions have failed everywhere they have been used. | Jan 23 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | Just preventing them from taking the books their bought elsewhere. | Jan 23 14:13 |
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| MinceR | RMS had a nice essay about DRM-ed books | Jan 23 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | They are better off downloading the 'pirated' copy from the Internet | Jan 23 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | It's not only free but it's better, it endures | Jan 23 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | So what was achieved? The books are less desirable with DRM. | Jan 23 14:14 |
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| twitter | and you can help your neighbor by sharing it. | Jan 23 14:14 |
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| oiaohm2 | Insided controlled networks where everything is checked from including the software running and out side hardware tampering is blocked it has worked. | Jan 23 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Books you can't pass or show to your neighbour | Jan 23 14:14 |
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| twitter | name the place | Jan 23 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Imagine having a book that goes 'poof' when you move houses | Jan 23 14:14 |
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| oiaohm2 | DRM used on ebook videos music are all using the tech were it was not designed to work perfectly. | Jan 23 14:14 |
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| oiaohm2 | Watermarking is far more effective than DRM in most cases. | Jan 23 14:15 |
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| MinceR | it's unnecessary in such a closed system | Jan 23 14:15 |
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| twitter | oiaohm2: I don't believe there's ever been a business where employees with access to information could not walk out with it. even if they just remember it, as Nazi resistors did in France. | Jan 23 14:15 |
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| oiaohm2 | Not business normally intelengence level networks. | Jan 23 14:16 |
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| oiaohm2 | Yes in there they do have stuff that will only decrypt on particular consoles. | Jan 23 14:16 |
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| oiaohm2 | So you need access rights and DRM to get at document. | Jan 23 14:16 |
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| oiaohm2 | Those areas it works. | Jan 23 14:17 |
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| twitter | if you don't trust your employees, you are lost no matter what you do. | Jan 23 14:17 |
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| twitter | they remember the information needed and walk out. | Jan 23 14:17 |
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| oiaohm2 | That is not a case of not trusting employees | Jan 23 14:17 |
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| twitter | of course it is. why else would you keep the people you hire from copying information they need for their jobs? | Jan 23 14:18 |
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| oiaohm2 | Its more a case of not trusting that no one will try to breakin to get the information. | Jan 23 14:18 |
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| twitter | in these cases, it's more the company that's being protected from employees than it is the customers being protected from the world. | Jan 23 14:18 |
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| oiaohm2 | DRM systems are not about blocking copying by allowed users. | Jan 23 14:18 |
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| twitter | digital restrictions will be used in the worst manner possible. | Jan 23 14:19 |
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| oiaohm2 | Its purely about making copy hard to use by not allowed users. | Jan 23 14:19 |
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| oiaohm2 | Issue here media companies are trying to use it wrong. | Jan 23 14:19 |
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| twitter | "not allowed users" is what the media companies are all about, and pay per play. | Jan 23 14:20 |
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| oiaohm2 | Ie you cannot have it both ways. You cannot allow person to play file and still be sure they cannot copy it. | Jan 23 14:20 |
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| twitter | I can have it the way I want because I avoid digital restrictions. | Jan 23 14:20 |
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| oiaohm2 | DRM used correctly for secuirty reasons is good. | Jan 23 14:20 |
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| oiaohm2 | DRM used incorrectly for like trying to block users from doing things bad. | Jan 23 14:20 |
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| twitter | I'm blue in the face now. | Jan 23 14:21 |
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| oiaohm2 | This is the issue with all tech lot of cases used in the right place good. | Jan 23 14:21 |
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| oiaohm2 | Take the Xbox 360 protection system of games. That was design purely for high secuirty networks. | Jan 23 14:22 |
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| MinceR | in a controlled system you're talking about, you can simply use filesystem access controls. | Jan 23 14:22 |
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| oiaohm2 | Not really. | Jan 23 14:23 |
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| oiaohm2 | DRM is a extra level. | Jan 23 14:23 |
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| MinceR | it's a useless extra level, yes | Jan 23 14:23 |
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| oiaohm2 | If someone gets past the filesystem permissions and copies something and does not have the key to access it what do they have. | Jan 23 14:23 |
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| MinceR | what's worse, the ones who do break in can steal the token that holds the key so they get to copy stuff more easily than your trusted employees. | Jan 23 14:23 |
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| MinceR | if someone gets past the filesystem permissions, your system isn't nearly as controlled as it should be for your idea to work in the first place. | Jan 23 14:24 |
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| oiaohm2 | Reason why DRM in those networks has been trying to embed the decryption in hardware that cannot be accessed. | Jan 23 14:24 |
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| MinceR | there's no hardware that cannot be accessed | Jan 23 14:24 |
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| oiaohm2 | Network accessed | Jan 23 14:25 |
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| MinceR | it might be difficult, it might be destructive, it might be costly | Jan 23 14:25 |
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| oiaohm2 | Physical access they have secuirty guards for. | Jan 23 14:25 |
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| oiaohm2 | Ie media companies don't have the secuirty guards so it cannot work. | Jan 23 14:25 |
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| oiaohm2 | DRM has its place in high secuirty networks anywhere else its stupidity. | Jan 23 14:26 |
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| oiaohm2 | MinceR Think about it for one min if you need a particular screen to decrypt a video and you don't have it DRM works becuase you don't have the bit you need to break into. | Jan 23 14:30 |
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| oiaohm2 | This is how it works with high secuirty networks. The hardware you need to break is all protected by secuirty guards. | Jan 23 14:30 |
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| oiaohm2 | Basically as soon as you give someone one of the decoding devices outside protection you have stuffed it. | Jan 23 14:31 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm2: how exactly do you protect that particular screen by security guards if the employees need to use it? | Jan 23 14:32 |
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| MinceR | it's just like having your employee carry a token with their keyring | Jan 23 14:33 |
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| MinceR | only more expensive | Jan 23 14:33 |
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| MinceR | and more troublesome when you need to replace the display or the key | Jan 23 14:33 |
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| oiaohm2 | Employee carying token can get attacked to get token. | Jan 23 14:33 |
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| oiaohm2 | High secuirty networks you just put a employees live on the line. | Jan 23 14:34 |
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| oiaohm2 | They are safer not having the access device. | Jan 23 14:34 |
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| MinceR | and the place can be broken into | Jan 23 14:35 |
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| oiaohm2 | That is what c4 is for. | Jan 23 14:35 |
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| MinceR | if you trust token keeping more, you can lock them up in a safe while the employees are outside | Jan 23 14:35 |
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| MinceR | which is a lot more powerful than using a DRM-ed screen. | Jan 23 14:36 |
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| oiaohm2 | Or you put console in safe filled with pure co2 when no one use using it. | Jan 23 14:36 |
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| oiaohm2 | Screen is larger and harder to be walked off with. | Jan 23 14:37 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jan 23 14:37 |
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| MinceR | then use a 5-ton token made of lead. | Jan 23 14:37 |
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| MinceR | there's no need to couple it with unrelated machinery | Jan 23 14:37 |
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| oiaohm2 | Some of the consoles would be in the 12 tons class. | Jan 23 14:37 |
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| MinceR | also, the attacker could break the actual token out of the screen and walk off with it | Jan 23 14:37 |
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| oiaohm2 | If you include the safe they are in. | Jan 23 14:37 |
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| MinceR | after the safe, it's trivial | Jan 23 14:38 |
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| oiaohm2 | after the secuirty guards and safe and booby traps in console its trivial. | Jan 23 14:38 |
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| oiaohm2 | Nothing is more nasty than a screen with 1 kg of C4 in it set to go off if opened incorrectly. | Jan 23 14:39 |
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| MinceR | which part requires it to be a screen exactly? | Jan 23 14:40 |
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| oiaohm2 | That is the other issue it does not I am using that as a example. | Jan 23 14:40 |
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| oiaohm2 | It could be anywhere in the safe room. | Jan 23 14:40 |
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| oiaohm2 | So yes hid and seek time. | Jan 23 14:40 |
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| oiaohm2 | And hope you don't open up the wrong thing. | Jan 23 14:41 |
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| oiaohm2 | High secuirty stuff is scary stuff to play with. | Jan 23 14:41 |
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| oiaohm2 | Yes those consoles rooms are really over sized not movable tokens. | Jan 23 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | I think we might make the front page: | Jan 23 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft... | Jan 23 14:43 |
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| MinceR | so security by obscurity | Jan 23 14:43 |
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| MinceR | instead of proper key use and key management | Jan 23 14:43 |
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| oiaohm2 | High secuirty you use every trick. | Jan 23 14:43 |
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| MinceR | and distributing the tokens over a large area to make them more difficult to guard | Jan 23 14:43 |
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| trmanco | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/fren... | Jan 23 14:43 |
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| oiaohm2 | If you cannot protect the decoding tokens DRM will always fail. Ie media companies actions could have never worked. Someone should have read the rules of high secuirty networking. | Jan 23 14:45 |
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| MinceR | that someone should have been the one who came up with "DRM" | Jan 23 14:46 |
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| oiaohm2 | High secuirty networks is where DRM was invented. | Jan 23 14:46 |
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| oiaohm2 | And it where it should have stayed too. | Jan 23 14:46 |
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| oiaohm2 | Water marking your personal information into media files is a far bigger theat and more likely to stop people from illegally trading in them than DRM. | Jan 23 14:49 |
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| DarkUranium | hi | Jan 23 14:49 |
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| oiaohm2 | Hi DarkUranium | Jan 23 14:50 |
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| trmanco | idiots -> http://digg.com/linux_unix/MSNBC_... | Jan 23 15:10 |
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| trmanco | spreading BS lies | Jan 23 15:11 |
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| trmanco | and hatred against Linux and the Linux community | Jan 23 15:11 |
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| trmanco | "I love their little note: "Msnbc.com is a Microsoft-NBC Universal joint venture." Ruined all credibility." | Jan 23 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28039226/... | Jan 23 15:39 |
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| trmanco | where is MR.logger_bot | Jan 23 15:41 |
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| *MinceR whispers off the record | Jan 23 15:43 |
| schestowitz | I can't reach him | Jan 23 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | .Been up for 4 months. | Jan 23 15:48 |
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| trmanco | http://ubuntuforums.org/show... | Jan 23 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Location: SoCal | Jan 23 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't that the SCOPE location? | Jan 23 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | I can't reach logger_log, but it could be an electrical failure if not a network failure. I'll check on Monday. | Jan 23 16:10 |
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| trmanco | ok | Jan 23 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | There's still logging, just not backup for them | Jan 23 16:10 |
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| trmanco | Can Vista 7 beat Ubuntu's memory consumption? -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showth... | Jan 23 16:33 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: lol, i am sure you will be able to see a lot of nice metaphors in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NeR2LyILWQ | Jan 23 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, tacone | Jan 23 16:48 |
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| tacone | hey i am going to blog about that video | Jan 23 16:48 |
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| tacone | it rocks ! | Jan 23 16:48 |
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| tacone | even the last sentence | Jan 23 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | It's a little old, but still funny... | Jan 23 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post it too, I guess.. | Jan 23 16:53 |
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| twitter | The Walmart attack is really damaging and deserves attention. http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=v... | Jan 23 16:54 |
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| twitter | I read through the excuses the M$ shills brought up in the comments and took account of them in that submission. | Jan 23 16:55 |
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| twitter | I have to thank Gentoo User for helping me to make a better submission. | Jan 23 16:55 |
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| twitter | Thanks, asshole! | Jan 23 16:55 |
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| twitter | The primary objection, that Walmart is too large to intimidate, is easily negated by the task force's attack on every member of the distribution chain. They screwed Walmart by threatening or bribing the much smaller supplier. | Jan 23 16:57 |
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| twitter | No one else had submitted the story. | Jan 23 16:58 |
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| twitter | Let's see if Digg or Slashdot will get it first. | Jan 23 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | It's almost there... http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_Ta... | Jan 23 17:00 |
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| twitter | M$'s attack shows exactly how hard they have to work to keep their second rate software on top. | Jan 23 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | My stalkers will have bomb-buried it as usual. | Jan 23 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | *or bury-bombed | Jan 23 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | FP! | Jan 23 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Oh oh | Jan 23 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | BN is already slow | Jan 23 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Pages load up slowly | Jan 23 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | I CORALed it | Jan 23 17:03 |
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| twitter | congratulations | Jan 23 17:04 |
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| twitter | to be fair, digg had a head start | Jan 23 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | It's slowww...... | Jan 23 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | But it's still alive, thankfully. | Jan 23 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Shane put us on quad-core | Jan 23 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | OK, no more posts until midnight... so as to minimise pressure. | Jan 23 17:08 |
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| twitter | M$FT 16.75 | Jan 23 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe!! | Jan 23 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's a good day then for Freedom, ain't it...? | Jan 23 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: I posted that video in BN | Jan 23 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | Not a smart thing though cause some people will d/l the ogg and hog server resources that way | Jan 23 17:11 |
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| tacone | ehehe | Jan 23 17:11 |
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| tacone | i am about to posting it as well. | Jan 23 17:11 |
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| tacone | eheh bn is unresponsive | Jan 23 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | Server down? | Jan 23 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | You can still get CORALed pages | Jan 23 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Unless ti gets tossed from Digg for downtime (the worst fear), then it'll cope later on | Jan 23 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | it's at the very top of FP | Jan 23 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Friday afternoon even, not weekend. | Jan 23 17:13 |
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| schestowitz | Server is still up. *singers crossed* | Jan 23 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | *fingers | Jan 23 17:14 |
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| tacone | i am doing continued refreshes to help bring it down | Jan 23 17:14 |
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| tacone | db down :( | Jan 23 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: nooooooo. :-) | Jan 23 17:19 |
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| tacone | ;-) | Jan 23 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | Don't use the site for the time being | Jan 23 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | It'll stabilise within hours... | Jan 23 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's still in Digg | Jan 23 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | I'm waiting until it drops off the top | Jan 23 17:20 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, congrats | Jan 23 17:20 |
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| trmanco | you just hit the front page of digg | Jan 23 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | It's murder where it's at the top... like hunreds of thousands DB queries per minute I think. | Jan 23 17:20 |
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| trmanco | BN is probably getting hammered right now | Jan 23 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | OK, it's off the top spot now... http://digg.com/general_sciences/Galle... | Jan 23 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: don't visit BN now.. | Jan 23 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | I have one page cached | Jan 23 17:21 |
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| trmanco | don't worry | Jan 23 17:21 |
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| trmanco | I won't | Jan 23 17:21 |
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| trmanco | ;) | Jan 23 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | So if you visit non-cached pages, you drain what's left up | Jan 23 17:21 |
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| trmanco | ok | Jan 23 17:22 |
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| trmanco | when the hype is up, I will visit to see the comments | Jan 23 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | I'll tell you the 'damage' later... I just stay out of BN for now. | Jan 23 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Regular readers have all the images cached by the Web browser/RSS readers, so it's no problem either. | Jan 23 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I disabled comments | Jan 23 17:23 |
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| trmanco | oh ok | Jan 23 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | Digg will have comments: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_... (mostly hostile crowd or shills that defend MS) | Jan 23 17:23 |
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| trmanco | I'll check them on Digg | Jan 23 17:23 |
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| trmanco | yes | Jan 23 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | Same as in /. | Jan 23 17:23 |
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| trmanco | can't find the /. post | Jan 23 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | I can't reply to any because the stalkers use this as a chance to throw slime | Jan 23 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op... | Jan 23 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Why is glynmoody talking to jackschofield (MS Jack)? I don't get it...... | Jan 23 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe he can reform him. | Jan 23 17:25 |
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| trmanco | "Hey submitter, great title! | Jan 23 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules... | Jan 23 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: where? | Jan 23 17:26 |
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| trmanco | digg | Jan 23 17:26 |
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| trmanco | 4 minutes ago | Jan 23 17:26 |
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| trmanco | the rest gut cut -> /no i am not being sarcastic, it really is a great title! | Jan 23 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see now | Jan 23 17:27 |
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| tacone | schestowitz: http://www.stefanoforenza.com/interopera... | Jan 23 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: usually there are only hecklers. | Jan 23 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Yum | Jan 23 17:27 |
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| trmanco | like the first one | Jan 23 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Are these the feet of the 'customers' coming up from all the cr*? | Jan 23 17:28 |
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| trmanco | Yum? as in Yum update? | Jan 23 17:28 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Jan 23 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Not yum, yast! | Jan 23 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Not yummy, Yastie. | Jan 23 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.opensuse.org/2008/11/21/yast-... | Jan 23 17:29 |
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| trmanco | ;) | Jan 23 17:30 |
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| trmanco | Will it blend? | Jan 23 17:30 |
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| tacone | time to go now | Jan 23 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | BN still blends with Digg | Jan 23 17:30 |
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| tacone | have a nice day/night/whatever | Jan 23 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | But it's near the top of the page. I wait until it drops... I can't concentrate well in these circumstances.. it's better to 'attend' if you know what I mean.. | Jan 23 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's like sitting at the corridor when your family member is having an important surgery | Jan 23 17:31 |
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| trmanco | tacone, cya | Jan 23 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/... | Jan 23 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | yes, cya tacone | Jan 23 17:33 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, I like this guy | Jan 23 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | I'll have to go to the office on Monday to check what happened to my Ubuntu-based workstation | Jan 23 17:34 |
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| trmanco | Gary McKinnon, just look what happened just because of other peoples ignorance | Jan 23 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they need a scapegoat | Jan 23 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | They waste their time... there are malicious cr[h]ackers out there grabbing hundreds of millions of PCs | Jan 23 17:35 |
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| trmanco | I read the story some time ago, so there where no password on those Windows machine? | Jan 23 17:35 |
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| trmanco | were* | Jan 23 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | See this bulls*: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/en... | Jan 23 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | You know what it is? Probably a last straw. | Jan 23 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | But it makes a good headline | Jan 23 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | They lives happily and joyfully and ALL BECAUSE OF FACEBOOK things went crazy. It'll like the abusive husband that shoots a wife because "she moved his headphones" or something... charged hostility can have something minor merely TRIGGER action | Jan 23 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | *lived | Jan 23 17:37 |
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| trmanco | weird | Jan 23 17:37 |
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| trmanco | cool | Jan 23 17:40 |
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| trmanco | identica has a new design | Jan 23 17:40 |
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| trmanco | looks like they are putting good use to the funding they received las week or so | Jan 23 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is leacving comments in BN again... | Jan 23 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | (don't look) | Jan 23 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | The site is slow | Jan 23 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | identi.ca needs out support | Jan 23 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Some FOSS people blindly (And foolishly) go to twitter | Jan 23 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | They choose convenience over their freedom and data (thinking short term) | Jan 23 17:42 |
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| trmanco | "Identi.ca underwent a massive upgrade on Friday 23 Jan. Watch for new features, and enjoy!" | Jan 23 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_T... I can't read that s* in the comments. | Jan 23 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is polluting the big sites with its spinners. | Jan 23 17:43 |
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| trmanco | digg'em down | Jan 23 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | No, mod-bombing is a trolls' game | Jan 23 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | You can't play their game | Jan 23 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | twitter gets whacked for taking their 'party line' against them -- nymshifting of sorts. | Jan 23 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft can do what they want. They have the right to." | Jan 23 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Errrrrrrrr... no. | Jan 23 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | They are a monopoly | Jan 23 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | That's what antitrust monopolies are for. | Jan 23 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | /smonopolies/laws/ | Jan 23 17:46 |
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| twitter | modbombing is not a troll's game, doing it for money with multiple astroturf accounts is. If you see things you don't like and have the power to express that dislike, you should. Genuine voices should be heard. They are nothing compared to the pros. | Jan 23 18:10 |
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| twitter | Here's an interesting thing from hostile source, Forbes. An unnamed M$ executive complained, "'The one thing that might have raised eyebrows is: 'why're they putting this cloud over our heads for the next 18 months?" -- the answer to that question should be obvious which is why he's unnamed. Party line or fired. | Jan 23 18:11 |
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| twitter | It's more of the same employee abuse that gets you fired for taking photos of Apple computers on the loading dock. http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimit... | Jan 23 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | Hm......... | Jan 23 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | Your quote lacks suffiecient context. | Jan 23 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | " Microsoft's announcement it will lay off 5,000 in its biggest-ever job-cut rippled through the Seattle area on Thursday, further unnerving residents of an already-bruised city of just over 3 million." | Jan 23 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I seee.. so it's a rant | Jan 23 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | Some wife of someone linked to BN some months ago, IIRC, because her husband got an offer from MS | Jan 23 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft knew that in order to attract talent it must put up an illusion of infinite growth and invicibivlity | Jan 23 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | ATM, it's left with no money in the bank | Jan 23 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | It spent $60 on 'steroid' (artificial,fake boost) | Jan 23 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | It's running out of cash to spend now | Jan 23 18:14 |
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| twitter | Ah, the context is that they did not tell everyone who is fired. Some were told, others will find out later. | Jan 23 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | Had it bought Yahoo! (and entered debt), it would have over 100,000 employees | Jan 23 18:15 |
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| twitter | Everyone has to work their ass off and do as they are told. | Jan 23 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | So it would brag about "huge growth" and higher revenue | Jan 23 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | The revenue rise, as I've been pointing out for years, is to do with infinite purchases and depletion of savings | Jan 23 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | Gerard's comments in his blog about "MS asking for bailout" always amuses me | Jan 23 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | "But OBAMA! OMG! We must get tah moneys now, or else we can't delver patches to those poor kids in Bolivia..." | Jan 23 18:16 |
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| twitter | Why not ask for money to buy successful competitors - failed banks got it. | Jan 23 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | That's why they want medical data | Jan 23 18:17 |
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| twitter | M$ also lobbied for the banks because the banks are big (22%) customers. | Jan 23 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Dependency and banruptcy protection | Jan 23 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | I read this in 2006 or 2007... they try to buy 'hold' of major things like Library of Congress to make the whole system dependent on them. They receive 'protection' this way | Jan 23 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | SGI is a good analogous example.. | Jan 23 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer... | Jan 23 18:18 |
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| twitter | We shall see. RMS does not like the number of industry flunkies Obama has promoted. | Jan 23 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Quote/message circulating these days: "it's not *you*, it's everyone" | Jan 23 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | You saw RMS on appointments, eh? | Jan 23 18:19 |
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| twitter | He's had several over the last week or so. | Jan 23 18:19 |
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| twitter | I check RMS's political notes every day. They are always interesting. | Jan 23 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | Not widely read though | Jan 23 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/ne... (Sun chief prescribes open source for US government) It's bizarre that they ask Scott "free puppy" | Jan 23 18:26 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: who's data do we want? http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09... | Jan 23 18:27 |
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| PetoKraus | let's split it on a half | Jan 23 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | Will it be cheque or debit card? | Jan 23 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Matt's laptops coughs up dust.. http://foocorp.org/products/exploringfree... | Jan 23 18:30 |
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| MinceR | lol title | Jan 23 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, ecrist | Jan 23 18:31 |
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| ecrist | howdy. | Jan 23 18:31 |
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| ecrist | gratz to twitter on being dugg | Jan 23 18:31 |
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| ecrist | ;) | Jan 23 18:31 |
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| ecrist | or you | Jan 23 18:31 |
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| ecrist | you it looks. | Jan 23 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | MD5 attack on Microsoft's Authenticode < http://www.heise.de/english/news... > | Jan 23 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, twitter contributed the text from the Wal-Mart exhibit though | Jan 23 18:33 |
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| PetoKraus | it looks i'm gonna proxy my traffic from now on | Jan 23 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: [Ho]omer does that | Jan 23 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: but you know what they say ... ;-) If you care about privacy, then you're a child-molesting terrorist | Jan 23 18:34 |
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| PetoKraus | honestly, this country is in deep shits and only thing the people can think about is protecting children from seeing nipples, penises and vaginas | Jan 23 18:34 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah sure | Jan 23 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Monitoring is about contreol | Jan 23 18:34 |
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| ecrist | like the ruling a couple weeks ago involving cartoon 'child' porn? | Jan 23 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Long ago, 'responsible man' (elites) realised the need to control the minds | Jan 23 18:34 |
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| PetoKraus | ecrist: i lost track, to be honest | Jan 23 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | When people go out of control, then it's trouble and sources of power can be overthrown | Jan 23 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | ecrist: yes, even Simpsons | Jan 23 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | Named Simpsons -> Go to jail | Jan 23 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | Let me find it.. | Jan 23 18:35 |
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| ecrist | MD5 is broken. | Jan 23 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | Here: http://www.itwire.com/conten... | Jan 23 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jan 23 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | Yet, as an even more recent case shows, the law itself can be a victim of hysteria. In a judgement handed down in the NSW Supreme Court yesterday, a man who was caught with cartoons on his computer depicting The Simpsons children engaged in sex acts was convicted for possessing child pornography." | Jan 23 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | "Not to put too fine a point on this, calling lewd Simpsons cartoons child pornography is getting into extremely dangerous territory. Child pornography, by any sensible definition of the term, involves the exploitation of real children. Kids have feelings and get hurt. Cartoon characters, no matter how depraved the imagination of the artist who draws them, are scribbles of a pen." | Jan 23 18:37 |
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| ecrist | aye, who *hasn't* wanted to see Lisa and Bart go at it. | Jan 23 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | "Can crude cartoons of the Simpsons children depicted as described be called child pornography? As I read elsewhere, can a big stick figure depicted as engaging in a sexual act with a small stick figure be described as pedophilia? Can a cartoon depicting Elmer Fudd engaged in a sex act with Bugs Bunny be described as bestiality?" | Jan 23 18:37 |
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| ecrist | or the smurfs. | Jan 23 18:37 |
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| PetoKraus | i wonder | Jan 23 18:37 |
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| PetoKraus | copyright is under trade law, right? | Jan 23 18:38 |
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| PetoKraus | and copyright itself is a contract, right? | Jan 23 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | ecrist: I guess a figureman depiction of intercourse can take you to jail :-) | Jan 23 18:38 |
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| ecrist | schestowitz: my guess is that the small stick figure is a midget, which makes it even better. | Jan 23 18:38 |
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| PetoKraus | so if I go to the cinema and use a camcorder to screen the video, i'm breaking a contract I accepted with the cinema, right? | Jan 23 18:38 |
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| PetoKraus | IE, i am not doing any criminal offence | Jan 23 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: why did you do that? ;-) | Jan 23 18:39 |
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| PetoKraus | the cops shouldn't be able to put me in jail | Jan 23 18:39 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: i am planning on doing so | Jan 23 18:39 |
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| PetoKraus | just go in the cinema | Jan 23 18:39 |
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| PetoKraus | mount camcorder on a tripod | Jan 23 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | Brain capacity not enough to store the film? | Jan 23 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | You know, singing a song you listen to can have you fined... maybe jailed | Jan 23 18:39 |
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| PetoKraus | and shoot the sequence of "you are forbidden to blah blah, it's an offence and you may end up in jail" | Jan 23 18:39 |
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| PetoKraus | cause that's just ridiculous | Jan 23 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | MPAA won't like that. | Jan 23 18:40 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't care, i'm in UK | Jan 23 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | If it's not good for MPAA revenue, then sooner or later they buy some laws | Jan 23 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | First they do the States cause it's easy (coruptible politicians) | Jan 23 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | Then they argue for "harmonisation" | Jan 23 18:40 |
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| PetoKraus | i need to learn more about this copytight violation | Jan 23 18:40 |
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| schestowitz | As in, well... now we have to make the laws consistent...and the USA is the bestest country in the world, so the UK will follow its lead | Jan 23 18:41 |
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| PetoKraus | well it's not gonna happen in a day | Jan 23 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: no-one would care for it if there's a dead pixel. | Jan 23 18:41 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Jan 23 18:41 |
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| PetoKraus | but you know what I mean | Jan 23 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Interpolate around it | Jan 23 18:42 |
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| PetoKraus | i am OFFENDED by being threatened | Jan 23 18:42 |
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| PetoKraus | you know | Jan 23 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, you're a kid | Jan 23 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Listen to adults | Jan 23 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | They do what's good for you | Jan 23 18:42 |
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| PetoKraus | sure | Jan 23 18:42 |
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| PetoKraus | ridiculous | Jan 23 18:43 |
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| PetoKraus | though the movie was good | Jan 23 18:43 |
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| PetoKraus | (Seven Pounds) | Jan 23 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | In the future, there will be a subs model for films | Jan 23 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | There already is | Jan 23 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | But they'll try to DRM and expire it | Jan 23 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | Forget about storage in media... one that prevails | Jan 23 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | You access content like you buy gas... per hour/whatever... | Jan 23 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | Artificial scarcity pays more. | Jan 23 18:45 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Jan 23 18:46 |
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| PetoKraus | my gas bill was, you know, pretty low | Jan 23 18:46 |
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| schestowitz | Google Q4 Earnings Plummet, Revenue up 18% < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158176/goo... > | Jan 23 18:46 |
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| PetoKraus | ok | Jan 23 18:47 |
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| PetoKraus | i am gonna watch my illegal copy of House MD now | Jan 23 18:48 |
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| PetoKraus | ttyl | Jan 23 18:48 |
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| twitter | ouch. earnings down on 18% rise on revenue? they must be investing in something big | Jan 23 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | The FOSDEM boycott is working. http://www.news.software.coop/i... | Jan 23 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | Another blow for NOVL | Jan 23 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | It's just OSDEM | Jan 23 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/communit... " | Jan 23 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | A little less hypocrisy please said on Friday, 23 January 2009 This site carries advertising from proprietary software vendors. It has a category for Novell: http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/o... Yet somehow people don't have an ethical problem reading it." | Jan 23 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | Seems like the sort of comment that would come from NOVL employees | Jan 23 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | "A little less hypocrisy pleas" vs "Baby in the Bath Water" | Jan 23 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | AMD Reports 33 Percent Drop in Q4 Revenue < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158184/amd_... > | Jan 23 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | Obama Administration Frustrated by Old White House PCs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15815... > | Jan 23 18:54 |
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| twitter | I'll bet. Think Outlook and IIS are the reasons he's using Gmail? | Jan 23 18:55 |
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| trmanco | 562 digg :D | Jan 23 18:57 |
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| trmanco | diggs* | Jan 23 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's like to go past 1000 I reckon... | Jan 23 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | I wouldn't be able to check what was happending. | Jan 23 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | Much of the work is done by Coral. | Jan 23 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | I could try to extrapolate to just estimate how many people witnessed Microsoft's monopoly abuse, which is the sole intention of these posts. | Jan 23 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | BN comment re Apple: "Anyone old enough to remember their original 'look and feel' lawsuit over windows (1?) knows they're one of the nastiest, litigious pieces of work in existance. I know i will never own any piece of apple-made hardware because they're simply arseholes." | Jan 23 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | "It's annoying that MS is indirectly hampering the clean up the Bush legacy. These are records that will determine whether the junta is packed off to The Hague for further action or dealt with domestically." | Jan 23 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.osnews.com/story/20838/Microsoft_UK_... (Microsoft UK Launches DRM-Riddled Music Store, Doomed to Fail) | Jan 23 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Says MS/Windows fan: "Microsoft is laying off 5000 people, and looking for other means to cut costs? I say, quit this pointless music store before it's even open, and because of this saving, maybe a few more folk can keep their jobs. I'd say, get your priorities straight." | Jan 23 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | Sony Stock Slides 7 Percent on Loss Forecast < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158203/sony_s... > | Jan 23 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | Gang tries to tap Japanese bank's computers < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/59... > "A GANG of techie bandits plotted to steal €£229 million from company accounts by hacking into the Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation computers in London, a court has heard." | Jan 23 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | Another one bites the dust: Memory maker files for insolvency < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/5... > | Jan 23 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | Another FOSS victory in Europe: IT: Venice region settles on open source and open standards < http://www.osor.eu/news/it-venice-region-se... > | Jan 23 19:12 |
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| twitter | Roy. I remember you saying that M$ wrote letters to get you fired but can't find a link to it. How would you express that? It would be easier if I had some exact words for my search. | Jan 23 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | Sarkoism attempt to divert kids to mainstream 'media': http://translate.google.com/translate?h... | Jan 23 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | Not Microsoft wrote them | Jan 23 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | They are not tactless | Jan 23 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | It's like the Ou incident... | Jan 23 19:15 |
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| twitter | Whoever wrote, the letters were sent. | Jan 23 19:15 |
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| twitter | Got link? | Jan 23 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Witch hunt. | Jan 23 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | I could find some in USENET | Jan 23 19:15 |
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| twitter | Cool | Jan 23 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | It happened several times over the years. | Jan 23 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | Sample for you here (first go at it): http://groups.google.com/groups?sourceid=mozclient&... | Jan 23 19:16 |
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| twitter | ick. | Jan 23 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | Even religion embraces the open Web... http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009... | Jan 23 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | Would you believe this: AOL Sites Saw Solid Growth In 2008 < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0... > | Jan 23 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01/2... "A Belkin employee was recently busted offering payment for positive reviews of a Belkin network router—whether or not the reviewer had even seen one—and asking reviewers to vote down negative comments. This offer was, using some swift stategery, posted on Amazon’s Mechanical Turk website." | Jan 23 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | /s/Belkin/MS/? | Jan 23 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Mod-bombing... | Jan 23 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | " This is starting to sound like a case for the feds. And it’s also a real blow to the trust and transparency needed for the user-generated Web 2.0 concept to truly succeed." | Jan 23 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | This would make Microsoft think twice before pulling these tricks, even if it proxifies this garbage to Edelman and other such criminals that are better off in prison, not society. | Jan 23 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Global warming threatens forests, study says < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/... > | Jan 23 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | World's dangers are probably different though because nuclear threat outweighs that of the environment, which is a slower process. | Jan 23 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | Jimbo Wales ends death by Wikipedia < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/22/wik... > "Then, a few minutes later, 91-year-old Robert Byrd died his own Wikideath. He too left the luncheon early due to "a medical issue." But as with Kennedy, Wikireports of his death were greatly exaggerated." | Jan 23 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's not as though Bloomberg is more accurate. it announced Steve Jobs "dead" prematurely last year. | Jan 23 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | Nice photo.. http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/01/23... (World's smallest working fuel cell developed) | Jan 23 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://img170.imageshack.us/img1... | Jan 23 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | It's happening again!! New Jobs health hoax targets Wired " It is a hoax, Wired reported Thursday - an article that looks like a story on Wired.com and that claims Apple CEO Steve Jobs has had a heart attack." < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-959... > | Jan 23 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. This is nice: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/0... | Jan 23 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | I provoked a bit... "That's a really nice cloud. Try it on an IBM speech ;-) "innovation....high end...fiscal...Web 2.0... open... intuitive...Lotus..." | Jan 23 19:39 |
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| twitter | Bush used GNU/Linux for his real mail. That's why his IT guy's death was such a scandal. | Jan 23 19:40 |
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| twitter | I think these "technological dark ages" stories, while true to an extent, are also a cover up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conten... | Jan 23 19:40 |
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| twitter | Obama is not going to prosecute for wiretapping and other crimes. | Jan 23 19:41 |
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| twitter | I'm afraid that he does not want Bush email about Iraq to come out. | Jan 23 19:41 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Jan 23 19:47 |
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| PetoKraus | "However, ripping music from CDs to another format, such as MP3, is currently illegal." | Jan 23 19:47 |
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| PetoKraus | fucking stupidâ⢠british law | Jan 23 19:47 |
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| PetoKraus | "In January 2008 the government proposed changes to copyright law that would legalise copying for personal use." | Jan 23 19:48 |
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| PetoKraus | well duh | Jan 23 19:48 |
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| PetoKraus | * before a magistrates' Court, the penalties for distributing unauthorised files are a maximum fine of €£5,000 and/or six months imprisonment; | Jan 23 19:49 |
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| PetoKraus | * in the Crown Court, the penalties for distributing unauthorised files are an unlimited fine and/or up to 10 years imprisonment. | Jan 23 19:49 |
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| PetoKraus | you have to be fucking joking | Jan 23 19:49 |
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| PetoKraus | for copyright breach in prison? | Jan 23 19:49 |
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| PetoKraus | is that a murder or what? | Jan 23 19:49 |
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| twitter | unlimited fine? looking for another bail out. | Jan 23 19:50 |
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| PetoKraus | i can imagine this situation in a prison cell - "So, why are you here, jackie?" "Well, I cut the throat of 5 kids" "And you jimmie?" "Well, I downloaded discography of Nine Inch Nails off torrents..." | Jan 23 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | Obamaism+BSA *Ha!* | Jan 23 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | Reader thinks: "Yeah, getting that BSA guy on the cabinet is a real bite on the small head. From there he can work a lot of damage." That's why we need to expose them. Like light on cockroaches... they can't do their thing when you know who they serve and why.... | Jan 23 19:57 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: if Obama prosecuted (or was responsible for legal action), the States would go loony | Jan 23 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | All the anti-Blacks would call for his heads or something... remember that Bush is popular among a lot of the population, which tends to be hostile towards another part | Jan 23 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: white-collar crime=OK; making backup="Offa with their head!" | Jan 23 20:00 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Jan 23 20:00 |
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| PetoKraus | it's ridiculous | Jan 23 20:00 |
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| PetoKraus | 50 years on sound recording since first broadcasting (or publishing, or creation, latest applies) | Jan 23 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's class-based treatment | Jan 23 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | In many cases, autocracy is used to weaken classes. | Jan 23 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | Funny thing is, illegalisation of some drugs is said to be tied to classes and their suppression | Jan 23 20:01 |
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| PetoKraus | 70 years after the death of author | Jan 23 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | "We are producers.. you are consumer" | Jan 23 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | "We broadcast.. you watch the Tube"... [of course we now have YOUtube that empowers YOU] | Jan 23 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: new: There's Only So Many Ways To Combine Chords... < http://techdirt.com/articles/... > | Jan 23 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | It has videos | Jan 23 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | "Then, of course, many folks have seen the comedian who points out how many songs are based on the same basic progression as Pachelbel's Canon in D" YOu CAN'T use that beat. It's MINE. | Jan 23 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Go ahead and sue Zulu tribes for 'using' you beats | Jan 23 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | "Notice how MS is still doing the old dodge of giving preferential placement to it's own stuff on the DeskTop. Notice how you can't alter the 'order pictures online' box or add new entries:" http://www.financialdirector.co.uk/compute... | Jan 23 20:07 |
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| twitter | Prosecution, with evidence, is what justice demands. Ignoring evidence of wrongdoing is loony. | Jan 23 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | "Open any folder containing image files in Windows XP and you will see the Picture Tasks menu displayed on the left-hand side of the folder window. The options here are designed to help you manage your photos." | Jan 23 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft partners with ExtraFilm, Jessops and Bonusprint to offer this service. To use a different service, you'll have to visit its website yourself ." | Jan 23 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | What if I don't pay criminal establishments to rent WIndows? | Jan 23 20:07 |
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| twitter | then you are too bright to need point and shoot, just works digital cameras explained to you. | Jan 23 20:09 |
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| twitter | you probably also don't want prints but that's another story. | Jan 23 20:09 |
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| twitter | bbl | Jan 23 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | "Server Load 6.55 (4 cpus)" | Jan 23 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | "Memory Used 46.5 %" | Jan 23 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | It has calmed down a bit | Jan 23 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | I'll remove the caching service before I go to bed. | Jan 23 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | At least BN is responsive again. | Jan 23 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | "The Wikimedia Foundation have published a draft plan for the process of switching from the GNU Free Documentaion Licence (GFDL) over to the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0 Licence (CC-BY-SA) for Wikipedia. The change in licensing was made possible by the publication of the GFDL 1.3, which was itself prompted by an initiative of the Wikimedia Foundation" http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Wiki... | Jan 23 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | nge--/news/112464 | Jan 23 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Wikimedi... That's not so nice... less GNU... more CC... | Jan 23 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | FOSS blogs cover MS demise. I'm glad someone pointed out that in Microsoft speak, "netbook" means "Linux threat". Microsoft had no choice but to give Windows for $5 apiece just to prevent GNU/Linux from gaining bigger (critical) mass. This is monopoly abuse (like the EDGI programme) and the EU Commission should pursue legal action. | Jan 23 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Bdale Garbee had his beard taken off by Linus......... looks like some silly ritual.. bad PR http://www.flickr.com/photos/jzb... | Jan 23 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Sun is laying off another 1,300 people | Jan 23 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Newstradamus Reports: Navy Nailed By Virus < http://www.linuxjournal.com/con... > | Jan 23 20:37 |
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| *ecrist has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Jan 23 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Mac's influence could wane < http://www.siliconvalley.com/news/... > | Jan 23 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | "Purportedly left for dead and mocked by pundits.." http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/21... But it *does* seem to have disappeared | Jan 23 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Censorship: http://costadelgangster.blogspot.com/2... | Jan 23 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2009/01/2... "The murder of Anastasiya Baburova (right) and Stanislav Markelov is part of a brutal trend. Russians who stand up for human rights may pay with their lives, says Tanya Lokshina" | Jan 23 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb.ht... "Obama has appointed an economic team intimately tied to hedge funds and the deregulation that led us to depression. His choices also suggest he will do nothing to tax the rich heavily on their main source of income, capital gains." | Jan 23 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | A(nother) call for putting Bush on trial: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/18/p... | Jan 23 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Holy hell. Todd Bishop has just posted like 5 damage control blog posts (in one day) about Microsoft layoffs. Who are those spinners kidding? | Jan 23 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | BN is in CNET now.. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3... | Jan 23 21:20 |
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| *r0ver (n=r0ver@200.68.91.21) has left #boycottnovell | Jan 23 21:31 |
| schestowitz | "Jobs were cut in various business groups, but most reports from employees seem to suggest that the company's Entertainment and Devices Division, which is responsible for the Xbox, Windows Mobile, and the Zune, has been hit hardest." http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.co... | Jan 23 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | This blogger wrote no less than 3 damage control posts for the Vole today. They must be scared to see the company they write about eroding (share price HALVED). | Jan 23 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Who started this whole "year of Linux" thing? Apple has no such thing... http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/will_e... "So no, I am not going to say 2009 is or will be “the year of the Linux desktop” " | Jan 23 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | "Well, it is the old story that it is easier to bash than do something about the problem. Novell kept whining to me at work wanting to get Novell SLED into the organisation I work for - and yet ignored the legitimate issues that I have with their product..." http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/thread?345073 | Jan 23 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | When Reform Meets Reality in Washington DC < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8152 > | Jan 23 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.lessig.org/blog/20... | Jan 23 22:05 |
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| *r0ver (n=r0ver@200.68.91.21) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 23 22:08 |
| *PetoKraus np: Pink Floyd - Money (Dark Side Of The Moon) | Jan 23 22:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?... Subject: It is only going to get worse. [for Microsoft] "As we start seeing ARM based $100 net books the profit margin that MS operates on will just evaporate. There is no room for a $100 operating system on hardware that just costs $100." | Jan 23 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa... | Jan 23 22:33 |
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| *Casperin has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Jan 23 22:37 |
| schestowitz | OASIS Committee approves ODF 1.0 Errata 01 < http://opendocument.xml.org/news/oasis-co... ? | Jan 23 22:37 |
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| trmanco | http://darthchaosofrspw.wordpress.com/200... | Jan 23 22:47 |
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| trmanco | found this on COLA | Jan 23 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jan 23 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel writes about Microsoft employees who use Mono. http://tirania.org/blog/archive... Go-Mono-OO | Jan 23 22:53 |
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| trmanco | I have to start reading Comes VS Microsoft | Jan 23 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Please | Jan 23 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Help me with the Wiki | Jan 23 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | If you read Comes, be sure to leave a mark | Jan 23 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | We need to translate Exhibit numbers into a one-line description at least | Jan 23 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Many sorting them by topics, even quotes from them. | Jan 23 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?ti... | Jan 23 22:55 |
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| trmanco | ok | Jan 23 22:57 |
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| trmanco | when I have some time I will start reading! | Jan 23 22:57 |
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| trmanco | the trolls lost all the energy they use to have | Jan 23 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Bingo | Jan 23 22:59 |
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| trmanco | things have been slightly calm this week IMO | Jan 23 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Don't say this in COLA | Jan 23 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | It provokes them | Jan 23 22:59 |
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| trmanco | meh, don't worry I won't | Jan 23 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Don't trest with total humours the assertion that layoffs play a role here. | Jan 23 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | *trea; humour | Jan 23 23:00 |
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| trmanco | ok | Jan 23 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | Matter of fact is, Microsoft but off many contracts with outside groups, including those which it uses to AstroTurf | Jan 23 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | I've just gone through almost all 220 comments in Digg (on the BN post). The early ones are mostly trolls with other trolls 'chained' onto them. Very typical. Later came the 'real' people. | Jan 23 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | I'm disbling remote caching now. | Jan 23 23:02 |
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| trmanco | I still have to take a peak | Jan 23 23:02 |
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| trmanco | I haven't read them all | Jan 23 23:02 |
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| trmanco | stuff has calmed down? | Jan 23 23:02 |
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| trmanco | that means I can go check some posts now :-P | Jan 23 23:02 |
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| trmanco | right? | Jan 23 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | BN in the news: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Micro... | Jan 23 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I think so | Jan 23 23:03 |
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| trmanco | ok | Jan 23 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Server Load 2.85 (4 cpus) | Jan 23 23:03 |
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| trmanco | shared? | Jan 23 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | It was 6 with the caching enabled (jobs on queue). | Jan 23 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 23 23:03 |
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| trmanco | hmm, not bad | Jan 23 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | AFAIK | Jan 23 23:03 |
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| trmanco | my host should be low | Jan 23 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | If it gets slow, let me know and I'll re-enable caching | Jan 23 23:04 |
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| trmanco | like 0.50 of load or so | Jan 23 23:04 |
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| trmanco | ok | Jan 23 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | It was not responding at times, despite the caching. | Jan 23 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | logger_bot doesn't talk to me. I'll need to visit him. | Jan 23 23:04 |
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| trmanco | lol | Jan 23 23:06 |
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| trmanco | por bot hasn't had rest | Jan 23 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | It did very little | Jan 23 23:06 |
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| trmanco | give him is weekend off | Jan 23 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Got trail, numb and died out. | Jan 23 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Seriously now, I don't know if it's a network issue, electric failure, Ubuntu issue, h/w issue... it just sends nothing back. I'm visiting the office on Monday anyway. | Jan 23 23:07 |
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| trmanco | lets just hope it is nothing too serious | Jan 23 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | > <trmanco> give him is weekend off; it's /her/ | Jan 23 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | She was working without issued for 4 months | Jan 23 23:08 |
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| trmanco | Oops! | Jan 23 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | But it's good ammunition for trolls and such. | Jan 23 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | Not many Windows boxes will just run *and* stay online for so long, without any close attention | Jan 23 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's likely to be still up... network issue or lack of UPS | Jan 23 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Blogs.. it's sad to see them... they're like a family hugging about the misery of some in a Volish funeral. | Jan 23 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | The 'Fun Times' are over and they know it. | Jan 23 23:11 |
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| *DarkUranium has quit ("Leaving") | Jan 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: did Ian Bruce leave Novell? | Jan 23 23:13 |
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| benJIman | I don't know who he is. | Jan 23 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | PR Director | Jan 23 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | He no longer edit's Jeff's blog | Jan 23 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | *edits | Jan 23 23:14 |
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| benJIman | There are some really good microsoft blogs like Raymond Chen's and Eric Lippert's. | Jan 23 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | Novell brags about poisonware: http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=535 | Jan 23 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | I don't read these blogs | Jan 23 23:15 |
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| benJIman | Could be worse, could be flash. | Jan 23 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | Oh crap. Server Load 20.09 (4 cpus) | Jan 23 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | Back to Coral | Jan 23 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php... "Here is the prediction I'm hesitant about. Always in the past when software with substantial installed base has finally been supplanted the fall has not been gradual: Lotus and Wordperfect went from world-beaters to also rans in just a few years. I think Microsoft may surprise us by falling equally fast. There may not be much left in two years time." | Jan 23 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/2009012... "Client software felt the slump in PC sales, and was further harmed by the shift to netbooks; many of these run Linux, which helps Microsoft not at all." | Jan 23 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | MS fans site: "Search engines be da**ed, it's the OS that generates money - if the world switches to linux, it will switch to OpenOffice too." < http://caps.fool.com/blogs/viewpost.aspx?bp... > Sunset for Motley Fool along with the Microsoft 'press'? | Jan 23 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.crn.com/software/212902058 "Microsoft, like much of the IT industry, was caught off-guard by the rapid rise of the netbook category, but moved quickly to offer a netbook-specific version of XP Home to stem the tide of Linux on netbooks. When one considers that getting some revenue is better than getting none, that was a wise move." | Jan 23 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://reddevnews.com/news/article... ""Microsoft can't charge $80 or $100 when there's Linux for free on netbooks," Rosoff said. On regular PC sales, Microsoft's profit margins are typically about 70 percent to 80 percent, he explained." | Jan 23 23:41 |
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| *r0ver (n=r0ver@200.68.91.21) has left #boycottnovell | Jan 23 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Mixing the GPL-hostile Gates with Linux. Huh?? http://www.pcworld.com/article/158208/a_great_tim... | Jan 23 23:46 |
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| MinceR | and then extend... | Jan 23 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | Sort of.. :-) | Jan 23 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | He writes provocative things (Phil Shapiro), but mixing FOSS with this controversial fund oft Gates is bad... | Jan 23 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | OpenStreetMap .. http://www.opensource.org/node/383 " | Jan 23 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | I've recently taken on a new job, after 17 years of consultancy. " | Jan 23 23:56 |
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