| schestowitz | There are these annoying companies like Moto that exploit Linux but don't support its users. TomTom too. | Feb 15 00:00 |
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| MinceR | i'm guessing the jesusphone can't even copy an appointment. | Feb 15 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Heh | Feb 15 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Well.. | Feb 15 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | It's worse | Feb 15 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Someone made it possible | Feb 15 00:00 |
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| MinceR | will the pre offer support for native-code apps? | Feb 15 00:00 |
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| twitter | MinceR, you keep getting side tracked. Pay attention to what they do well and demand it when you want it. | Feb 15 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | So Jobs sent in the mobsters | Feb 15 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | They killed the project | Feb 15 00:00 |
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| MinceR | twitter: got it. make a retarded featurephone, slap an apple logo on it and sell it for 10x the price. | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | More than that.. | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| twitter | Any PDA would do well with gesture scroll and pinch zoom. | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| MinceR | and then have the fanboys keep telling everyone it's better than everything else | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | AT&T fascism is actually milking money gtardually. | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| MinceR | because it's teh shiny | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| twitter | I don't want a non free phone. I want the features that work well. | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | Got to fund US censorship and all.. | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | mikankun: not so shiny | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| MinceR | better yet, lock the users into one provider and have the provider pay, too | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| MinceR | this model only works because people are idiots. | Feb 15 00:01 |
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| twitter | Apple, however, will put the slap down with patents if I try to add them. | Feb 15 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | People had the thing (first iteration) disintegrate in their bags | Feb 15 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | Plastic shards and all. | Feb 15 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: iphone commercial model is like 5 credits card to max up... people should know better. | Feb 15 00:02 |
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| MinceR | i don't understand that sentence | Feb 15 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | Like "wow! This good ride is only $2000... with installments spread over 2 years.. but you get a loan for $200 _right now !!" | Feb 15 00:03 |
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| MinceR | http://img294.imageshack.us/img2... | Feb 15 00:03 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: if only it was a good ride to begin with. | Feb 15 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: LOL | Feb 15 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Eeeeeeeeeeee!!!! | Feb 15 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they speak for ASUS | Feb 15 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o... | Feb 15 00:04 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm thinking, you know | Feb 15 00:05 |
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| PetoKraus | my friend is downloading at about 20GB of Disney stuff | Feb 15 00:06 |
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| PetoKraus | now, they should be technically out of copyright by now, shan't they | Feb 15 00:06 |
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| PetoKraus | if there wasn't the Mickey Mouse Extension Act | Feb 15 00:06 |
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| MinceR | who cares? if he paid for it, a lot of that money would go to jobs | Feb 15 00:06 |
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| twitter | 20 GB of wasted space. | Feb 15 00:06 |
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| PetoKraus | Steve? | Feb 15 00:06 |
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| MinceR | so it's preferable not to pay. | Feb 15 00:06 |
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| MinceR | steve jobs. | Feb 15 00:06 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: i know, that's different story | Feb 15 00:07 |
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| MinceR | i've heard he owned a big chunk of disney | Feb 15 00:07 |
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| PetoKraus | but you know | Feb 15 00:07 |
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| PetoKraus | the point is still | Feb 15 00:07 |
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| twitter | That's the problem with perpetual copyright. By the time the work enters the public domain it is irrelevant. | Feb 15 00:07 |
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| MinceR | and surprise surprise, supporting DRM there. | Feb 15 00:07 |
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| PetoKraus | no shit! :) | Feb 15 00:07 |
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| PetoKraus | it just makes you go like... | Feb 15 00:08 |
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| PetoKraus | it takes week to download off torrents | Feb 15 00:08 |
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| PetoKraus | for goodness sake, people don't want it to share even illegally | Feb 15 00:08 |
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| twitter | Does it. | Feb 15 00:08 |
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| twitter | hmmm. | Feb 15 00:08 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: the whole 20 GB's over Virgin's 20mbit connection? | Feb 15 00:09 |
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| PetoKraus | yes | Feb 15 00:09 |
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| PetoKraus | the same for first episodes of Saturday Night Live | Feb 15 00:09 |
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| PetoKraus | (he's into old stuff) | Feb 15 00:09 |
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| twitter | 2.5 MB/second? | Feb 15 00:09 |
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| PetoKraus | twitter: yeah, for an hour | Feb 15 00:10 |
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| *schestowitz is pretty happy with legally-sharable flicks in YouTube | Feb 15 00:10 |
| PetoKraus | the you are throttled down to 0.2MB/s | Feb 15 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: Disney is brainwash must of the time. It's unhealthy :-) | Feb 15 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | *much | Feb 15 00:10 |
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| twitter | That should take about 8,000 seconds to download. 80,000 seconds is different. | Feb 15 00:10 |
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| PetoKraus | and in fact, we have 10mbit, where the throttle chucks in after 1200 MB... | Feb 15 00:10 |
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| twitter | The difference between two hours and 20 hours. | Feb 15 00:10 |
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| twitter | 20 GB should not take more than a couple of days. | Feb 15 00:11 |
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| PetoKraus | well it's over a week there | Feb 15 00:11 |
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| twitter | Throttles are evil. | Feb 15 00:11 |
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| PetoKraus | meaning -> people don't share it | Feb 15 00:11 |
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| PetoKraus | tell me about it | Feb 15 00:11 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm fine with bandwith throttles | Feb 15 00:11 |
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| twitter | I'm not. | Feb 15 00:11 |
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| PetoKraus | but don't fkn throttle the latency | Feb 15 00:11 |
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| twitter | throttles are a waste of money that could be spent improving the network. | Feb 15 00:12 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 15 00:12 |
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| PetoKraus | in britain it's necessary i guess | Feb 15 00:12 |
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| PetoKraus | the tubes are clogged | Feb 15 00:12 |
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| twitter | clogged or tiny? | Feb 15 00:12 |
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| PetoKraus | both at times | Feb 15 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 15 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | we were doing Glasgow Sewer system at Environmental Chemistry | Feb 15 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8210 "Poorly sourced and constructed around lazy, clichéd writing -- and in a couple of cases, outright falsehoods -- Goldberg's piece simply illustrated how, rather than illuminating shortfalls of the press, conservatives often just create more work for the rest of us," Boehlert writes. | Feb 15 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | that was fun! | Feb 15 00:13 |
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| twitter | I remember @Home, no throttles, port blocks or other bullshit. It worked great. | Feb 15 00:13 |
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| twitter | all the other stuff has just been performance destroying crap to protect big publishers and their dead business models. | Feb 15 00:14 |
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| PetoKraus | right | Feb 15 00:14 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 15 00:14 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean | Feb 15 00:14 |
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| PetoKraus | that broadband tax was a perfect idea | Feb 15 00:14 |
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| twitter | perfect for Disney. | Feb 15 00:14 |
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| PetoKraus | if it was meant to shut MAFIAA and BSA up | Feb 15 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | They should discriminate against illegally shared content and the rest | Feb 15 00:14 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean | Feb 15 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of torrent are very crucial and legal | Feb 15 00:14 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd pay €£20 a year for what I download | Feb 15 00:15 |
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| twitter | sharing should not be against the law. | Feb 15 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Comes vs Microsoft for example was spread using torrent | Feb 15 00:15 |
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| PetoKraus | if it means I can download anything off the net legally | Feb 15 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Should that too be hindred? | Feb 15 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | *dered | Feb 15 00:15 |
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| twitter | sharing should never be hindered. | Feb 15 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | YouTube is challenged by Big Media | Feb 15 00:15 |
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| twitter | unless it's something like your medical or shopping records. | Feb 15 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | It needs to be protected | Feb 15 00:15 |
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| twitter | networks need to be liberated. | Feb 15 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | Lacking starvation for premium' conent, big media will die | Feb 15 00:16 |
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| twitter | the spectrum should be liberated - that will take care of bandwith problems. | Feb 15 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | Think of it that way... | Feb 15 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | To throttle a pipe based on ports is like gagging people's talk to one another based on pitch | Feb 15 00:16 |
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| PetoKraus | could someone of you lads send me an email to peter.kraus@member.fsf.org? | Feb 15 00:17 |
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| PetoKraus | i think the redirect stopped working for some reason | Feb 15 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Those who want to share can still use CDs/DVDs, so nothing is achieved | Feb 15 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Then there's the media 'taxt' (HDDs, USBs) which is like a welfate system | Feb 15 00:17 |
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| twitter | The ability to organize is lost. | Feb 15 00:17 |
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| twitter | It's a huge cost to society. | Feb 15 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | it treats the dying businesses of information monopoly as thought they now have a privilege to make money | Feb 15 00:18 |
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| twitter | It gives them ownership of culture and knowledge. | Feb 15 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Can you imagine a failing computer company (like Microsoft) saying it needs to be mandated that all PCs sold should have MS tax? | Feb 15 00:18 |
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| twitter | They do not deserve that. | Feb 15 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | With their patents they hope to establish something of this sort | Feb 15 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | "We invented comupters" | Feb 15 00:18 |
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| twitter | Not even their extortion is innovative. | Feb 15 00:19 |
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| *schestowitz sends mail | Feb 15 00:19 |
| *schestowitz done. sent | Feb 15 00:19 |
| twitter | bbl, it's dinner time. | Feb 15 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | it works. | Feb 15 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | hm. | Feb 15 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | thanks | Feb 15 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | I like the pic here: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Moonlight_1_0_is_... | Feb 15 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: less mail = good | Feb 15 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | Mail is overrated indicator of popularity. It slows down productivity | Feb 15 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | I prefer empty boxes | Feb 15 00:21 |
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| *MinceR sends schestowitz some empty boxes by mail | Feb 15 00:21 |
| MinceR | ^_^ | Feb 15 00:21 |
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| PetoKraus | nah | Feb 15 00:21 |
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| PetoKraus | it's some mails i needed | Feb 15 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks. | Feb 15 00:22 |
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| MinceR | np | Feb 15 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Empty ones are always better http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber | Feb 15 00:22 |
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| MinceR | lol unabomber | Feb 15 00:23 |
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| MinceR | i read his manifesto. he's a stupid luddite. :) | Feb 15 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 15 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | Gone mental for murderign people | Feb 15 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | He gives a very bad name to anarchism. | Feb 15 00:24 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Feb 15 00:25 |
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| MinceR | well, most people don't understand anarchism anyway. | Feb 15 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | he makes anarchism synonymous with harm. Are there notable anarchists out there? | Feb 15 00:26 |
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| MinceR | dunno | Feb 15 00:27 |
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| schestowitz | Let's check. | Feb 15 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... | Feb 15 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Somewhat related, I guess: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises | Feb 15 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | His site is very good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises | Feb 15 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. | Feb 15 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://mises.org/ | Feb 15 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | "The problem is the following: Many Web publishers, especially those that have voluminous sites, like e-commerce companies, have multiple URLs that all point to the same page. This confuses search engines, sometimes causing them to index the same page multiple times. As much as 20 percent of URLs on the Web may be duplicates, according to some estimates." | Feb 15 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/12... (Google, Yahoo and Microsoft Collaborate to Clean Up Web) | Feb 15 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.suseblog.com/best-linu... | Feb 15 01:03 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 15 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | Linux Version of Chrome To Use Gtk+ < http://osnews.com/story/20980/Linu... > | Feb 15 01:18 |
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| MinceR | but will it be released before Duke Nukem Forever comes out? | Feb 15 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | Before June they say | Feb 15 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | I look forward to seeing if they serve Jobs before freedom | Feb 15 01:20 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Feb 15 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | LOL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvjQPHD... | Feb 15 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | Someone posted this in COLA ( [H]omer_ ) | Feb 15 01:23 |
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| yuhong | BTW, on laptop gifting, I think the key condition is if the gift is on the condition of writing a good review for Windows. | Feb 15 01:28 |
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| yuhong | If there is such a condition, it is bribery, if not, it is not. | Feb 15 01:29 |
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| yuhong | Anyone there? | Feb 15 01:30 |
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| twitter | troll ignored, goes away. ha ha. | Feb 15 02:19 |
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| twitter | I'm glad I was eating. | Feb 15 02:19 |
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| twitter | Rabbit ears, they do work. http://entertainment.slashdot.org/art... | Feb 15 02:19 |
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| twitter | Yeah, yeah, Yankee group, but it's true. | Feb 15 02:20 |
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| twitter | the bandwith would be better unlicensed but DTV has worked well here. | Feb 15 02:20 |
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| MinceR | gn | Feb 15 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | Morning/evening | Feb 15 08:24 |
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| flyinghip | morning | Feb 15 08:27 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, what's up? | Feb 15 08:28 |
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| flyinghip | i have seen your site about microsoft ,the internal emails from the windoowz evangelist were shocking . | Feb 15 08:32 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, yeah... that one. I'll have some more. | Feb 15 08:34 |
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| schestowitz | I just haven't had the time for Comes in recent days | Feb 15 08:34 |
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| flyinghip | the blame game blame the endusers | Feb 15 08:34 |
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| schestowitz | The Budapest Open Access Initiative is seven years old today. < http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2... > | Feb 15 08:48 |
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| schestowitz | Orwell rolls in his grave (part 1) < http://www.youtube.com/watch?... > | Feb 15 09:19 |
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| oiaohm | f, | Feb 15 09:29 |
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| oiaohm | opps | Feb 15 09:29 |
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| trmanco | http://lists.debian.org/debian-anno... | Feb 15 10:13 |
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| trmanco | yay | Feb 15 10:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/01/23/battle-betw... "This is exactly how software was protected prior to State Street, so when the Federal Circuit resurrects this thinking it has tremendous implications for software and software patents. I recommend that you review the genesis of software protection in case law and you will then quite clearly see exactly why Bilski has enormous | Feb 15 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | impact for software patents." | Feb 15 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | That Gene dude is really no fan of Free(dom) software. | Feb 15 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | History of internet in less than 10 minutes < http://linuxnongeek.com/2009/02/12/histor... > | Feb 15 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Steve Albrecht Leaving Red Hat Board After Six Years of Service to Focus on Charitable Role < http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/n... > | Feb 15 10:52 |
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| oiaohm | Boy does that history of the internet skip a important step. | Feb 15 10:56 |
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| oiaohm | The BBS stage. | Feb 15 10:56 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Kills Windows 7 Beta < http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows... > | Feb 15 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | The first dual Windows/Linux PCs arrive < http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_firs... > | Feb 15 11:07 |
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| oiaohm_ | Dual in more ways than 1. | Feb 15 11:09 |
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| oiaohm_ | The Linux out runs the Windows because its running on a ARM chip. | Feb 15 11:09 |
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| oiaohm_ | Now with the new power effectiveness of video card control planed its going to get interesting. | Feb 15 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | It's now confirmed that Shane O'Neill has his nose up Microsoft's behind: http://www.itworld.com/virtualization/62262/... That explains Shane O'Neill's anti-Linux coverage and Microsoft fanboyism. He's integral part of the MS ecosystem. | Feb 15 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is exploiting kids to help its crimes ....? http://sev.prnewswire.com/multimedia-... | Feb 15 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | Another public library becomes Microsoft evangelist force: http://www.pcnr.com/news/2009/0211/gene... | Feb 15 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft too saw a decline in its key performance indicators in Q4 2008. Many opine that low cost netbooks will be sold in higher volumes than PCs and laptops this year. In such a scenario, Microsoft will find it difficult to profit from its new Windows Vista operating system as many of the notebooks or mini-PCs currently operate on Windows XP." | Feb 15 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseCont... | Feb 15 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | NYT baloney: http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2... | Feb 15 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | Moonlight under attack: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... | Feb 15 12:24 |
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| twitter | "Microsoft is exploiting kids to help its crimes ....?" They are always exploiting the innocent and ignorant. Who else would use their crap? | Feb 15 14:26 |
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| twitter | It's irritating that M$ perpetuates the "on line predator" myth after studies have conclusively show it's bullshit except for bullying, which M$ knows all about. | Feb 15 14:28 |
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| twitter | They distract from more pressing issues of privacy because they would profit from the database nation. | Feb 15 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | yes, indeed | Feb 15 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | They still do PR stunts about privacy in the EU | Feb 15 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | They try to daemonise Google | Feb 15 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | They also hire groups to shill for them on this topic (not just LMG) | Feb 15 14:30 |
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| twitter | Still waiting for ARM portables. .... Hugs Zaurus wants one with more RAM. | Feb 15 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | For /. logs: http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/bu... http://www.computerworld.com/action/artic... | Feb 15 14:37 |
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| twitter | Is the web slow today? | Feb 15 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | BN was down earlier | Feb 15 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | Either way, one question to ask is now "Is the web slow today?" but ""Are Microsoft Windows zombies busy today?" | Feb 15 14:43 |
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| twitter | If it's slow for you and others, the Zombies are busy everywhere as usual. If it's only slow for me, it's a local problem. | Feb 15 15:29 |
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| twitter | M$ says, "No toys for you! We can't afford that out of cycle stuff anymore." http://slashdot.org/firehose... | Feb 15 15:30 |
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| twitter | Thanks for digging up the news. | Feb 15 15:30 |
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| twitter | M$ Death Watch, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213707 | Feb 15 15:43 |
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| twitter | Vista Failure Log, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/177855 | Feb 15 15:43 |
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| twitter | and Vista 7 Failure Log, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215957 | Feb 15 15:43 |
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| twitter | all updated to reflect the death of "out of cycle" development and strength of GNU/Linux - which is rocking with things like E17 + Compiz. | Feb 15 15:43 |
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| twitter | Ah, what a good morning it is. bbl, going to spend some time with the kids in the rain. | Feb 15 15:44 |
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| *schestowitz has lots more on Microsoft to post today | Feb 15 15:47 |
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| twitter | cool | Feb 15 17:01 |
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| trmanco | "Mono languishes back in 1.9.1 (which at least includes support for most of the 2.0 goodness)." | Feb 15 17:18 |
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| trmanco | :( | Feb 15 17:18 |
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| trmanco | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/lenny-has-landed | Feb 15 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Blech. | Feb 15 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | gtg | Feb 15 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | Back at 8 | Feb 15 17:20 |
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| amarsh04 | wow, I received a reply from rms | Feb 15 17:25 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/o... | Feb 15 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: I'm trying to find a page about getting a gnu from RMS | Feb 15 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | It's recent.. http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html ... heh.. BN's Netcraft rank is higher than GNU's. | Feb 15 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: MS fools like Doug Mahugh don't even line-wrap. Tell those n00bs to go back to MOOX lists. | Feb 15 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 15 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Before: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/573948 | Feb 15 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | After: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u... | Feb 15 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | A Software License That's Libre But Not Gratis? < http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?... > | Feb 15 20:40 |
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| MinceR | the submitter doesn't understand the meaning of "libre" | Feb 15 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | "It's proprietary software — decidedly not free-as-in-beer... | Feb 15 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | It takes a lot of taming to make cats bark. | Feb 15 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | Steps toward improving Gentoo < http://dberkholz.wordpress.com/2009/02... > | Feb 15 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: http://www.lockergnome.com/theor... | Feb 15 21:24 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, yeah I noticed, maybe his client doesn't support plain text :-P MOOX? | Feb 15 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post about it tomorrow probably | Feb 15 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | THis lad from Portugal does amazing stuff for KDE graphics: http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com... | Feb 15 21:26 |
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| trmanco | yep, I actually first "met" him on Identica | Feb 15 21:28 |
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| trmanco | oh, and btw, that ODF link, thank Rui Seabra for it | Feb 15 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | This guy linked to us a moment ago: | Feb 15 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.globaltek.pt/rui.gouvei... it links to BN on the word "Windows" | Feb 15 21:30 |
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| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/2313228 | Feb 15 21:30 |
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| trmanco | Iknow him from somewhere | Feb 15 21:30 |
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| trmanco | his name is familiar | Feb 15 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | I saw it literally a minute ago | Feb 15 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | Technorati shows some people who link to us. | Feb 15 21:31 |
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| trmanco | que aceitam vender os seus portáteis sem Windowsâ⢠| Feb 15 21:31 |
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| trmanco | laptops without Windows | Feb 15 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | We have many readers from PT | Feb 15 21:31 |
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| trmanco | and he links to index page on word "Wdinw" | Feb 15 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | Around 13th in the world (PT) | Feb 15 21:32 |
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| trmanco | that is good | Feb 15 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | Even ahead of Russia this month | Feb 15 21:32 |
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| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/2314294 | Feb 15 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | "silverlight? moonlight? moonshine? thanks, but no thanks :) flash is evil enough" | Feb 15 21:34 |
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| trmanco | moonshine | Feb 15 21:37 |
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| trmanco | GNU that name before somebody patents it | Feb 15 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | I decided to lay Comes aside for a few months, then I'll rush them through again. BN needs rest and Comes gems won't last forever... need to be saved for a special occasion :-) | Feb 15 21:38 |
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| trmanco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWe... | Feb 15 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it's Money in AU | Feb 15 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | *Monday | Feb 15 21:41 |
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| trmanco | yes | Feb 15 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | I need to think how to deliver and sort Comes. There must be better ways | Feb 15 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.meritalk.com/federa... | Feb 15 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | Is it just me of are some annoying Flash objects concealing most of the articles in https://fossbazaar.org/content/arjen-le... and https://fossbazaar.org/content/david-r... ? | Feb 15 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | OSS scam: http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayR... | Feb 15 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | "I work at MySQL, and I can tell you that Marten’s departure will be a good thing. Matt Asay doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Marten is basically anti-open source. He’s got this duplicitous way of looking at the world that forced us to split our ability to contribute with our business priorities. Unlike the rest of Sun, which is far better aligned to one product = one community (Witness Solaris and Glassfish). "" | Feb 15 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | It all makes sense now. I spoke to Marten and I got the impression too. | Feb 15 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | OK, added comment: "Anonymous Manager, that makes some sense. I got the same impression when I corresponded with Marten." | Feb 15 21:55 |
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| trmanco | http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/... | Feb 15 21:56 |
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| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7... | Feb 15 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that too | Feb 15 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Here's what I don't like: Leonard Read's Open-Source Vision < http://www.lewrockwell.com/tucker/tucker137.html >.. The article only mentions "open-source materials" ONCE.... this doesn't justify the headline with a buzzword | Feb 15 22:03 |
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| trmanco | "It just confirms my belief that Amerikans are lazy, ignorant slobs who | Feb 15 22:29 |
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| trmanco | are unwilling to get up off their obese diabetes asses and learn new | Feb 15 22:29 |
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| trmanco | things." | Feb 15 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Where that from? | Feb 15 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | *'s | Feb 15 22:30 |
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| trmanco | cola | Feb 15 22:30 |
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| trmanco | it isn't on google yet | Feb 15 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | Americans actually work more hours than most of the world | Feb 15 22:30 |
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| trmanco | now it is -> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux... | Feb 15 22:31 |
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| trmanco | here* | Feb 15 22:31 |
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| PeterKraus | schestowitz: where did you get that from | Feb 15 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | They are overworked because -- IMHO -- the corruption and lack of labour movement that sidelined, marginalised them and had their wages stagnate in 25 years. | Feb 15 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Yesterday I posted a link here to an article which speaks about the whole world protesting against the causes of the current mess, but the US is conspicously missing from the list of countries/populations that are up in arms. | Feb 15 22:32 |
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| toros | hi | Feb 15 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, toros, what's new? | Feb 15 23:04 |
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| toros | nothing special. I wrote today a short article about the expected new features of mandriva 2009 spring, fedora 11 and ubuntu 9.04 | Feb 15 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | These will be good distros | Feb 15 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | (based on early reviews) | Feb 15 23:10 |
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| toros | yepp, they look very promising | Feb 15 23:12 |
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| toros | but I still don't understand, why Mandriva fired Adam Williamson :( | Feb 15 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | He's in Red Hat now. | Feb 15 23:13 |
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| toros | yes, I know, and I think he's now at a better place... ;) | Feb 15 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | I think he's happy there. They are both RPM-based, so it's no big change. Another colleague from Mandriva joined him. | Feb 15 23:14 |
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| toros | Mandriva is not really popular here in Hungary... | Feb 15 23:17 |
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| silentivm | here in Brazil it is somewhat popular | Feb 15 23:17 |
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| silentivm | mainly because a lot of people used Conectiva, which was bought by Mandriva | Feb 15 23:17 |
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| toros | I read that new Mandriva releases are good | Feb 15 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva is partly a Brazilian venture, IIRC | Feb 15 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | It's also big in Russia and it's competitive with SUSE in EU | Feb 15 23:18 |
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| toros | Hungary was Debian-country :) | Feb 15 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva is also targeting the African market. Microsoft fights back with bribe, blackmail, EDGI, etc. | Feb 15 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yo, what distro do you use? | Feb 15 23:19 |
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| toros | now Ubuntu is far the most popular here | Feb 15 23:19 |
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| MinceR | kubuntu and ubuntu server | Feb 15 23:19 |
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| MinceR | i've used red hat and gentoo for longer periods and tried foresight, gobolinux and fedora | Feb 15 23:20 |
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| trmanco | server? no desktop version? | Feb 15 23:20 |
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| toros | I think Arch Linux has a great future too | Feb 15 23:21 |
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| silentivm | yep | Feb 15 23:21 |
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| silentivm | :) | Feb 15 23:21 |
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| *silentivm uses Arch. :) | Feb 15 23:21 |
| toros | :) | Feb 15 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | Cuba picked Gentooism | Feb 15 23:21 |
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| trmanco | I tried it in a VM a couple of times | Feb 15 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | With Entropy (Sabayon), so l33t distros do work well for the masses | Feb 15 23:22 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, that maybe because newbies don't know crap about it | Feb 15 23:22 |
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| MinceR | trmanco: my home server runs ubuntu server | Feb 15 23:22 |
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| trmanco | and that way, they can scare away "future hackers" | Feb 15 23:22 |
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| MinceR | i think arch needs to learn more respect for documentation | Feb 15 23:22 |
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| MinceR | and hald :> | Feb 15 23:22 |
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| trmanco | arch has good docs | Feb 15 23:22 |
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| toros | I use both Ubuntu and Arch | Feb 15 23:22 |
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| trmanco | at least for my VM problems | Feb 15 23:23 |
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| silentivm | I hate the fact that they remove the /usr/doc | Feb 15 23:23 |
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| silentivm | or /usr/share/doc | Feb 15 23:23 |
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| toros | I like Arch because it is very easy to maintain | Feb 15 23:23 |
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| silentivm | with some apps, you depend on this documentation | Feb 15 23:23 |
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| MinceR | and they automatically remove some docs from the packages | Feb 15 23:23 |
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| trmanco | pacman -Syu :D | Feb 15 23:23 |
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| silentivm | but that would be my only complaint about Arch, maybe they could make it on separate -docs packages | Feb 15 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: they don't need to know much | Feb 15 23:24 |
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| toros | my complaint is that the packages are not signed | Feb 15 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | In Cuba, you get your packages with Castro's autograph. | Feb 15 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | As long as you don't download Democracy Player (Miro) | Feb 15 23:26 |
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| toros | :) | Feb 15 23:30 |
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| MinceR | :D | Feb 15 23:30 |
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| toros | have you reed the book of Keith Curtis? After the Software Wars | Feb 15 23:36 |
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| toros | I mean "read" not "reed" | Feb 15 23:37 |
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| toros | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/01/a-... | Feb 15 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | It's a possible mole | Feb 15 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | He mailed me a few times. | Feb 15 23:39 |
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| toros | I mailed with him too... I wrote about his book, and he contacted me | Feb 15 23:40 |
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| toros | I like his book, there are a lots of interesting topics in it | Feb 15 23:41 |
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| MinceR | gn | Feb 15 23:45 |
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