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| schestowitz | Get up close and personal with Microsoft: CompTIA, Martin Bean, Fraunhofer Fokus, and Other Microsoft Boosters < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/1... > | Mar 15 13:42 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | Mar 15 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Hey, what's up? | Mar 15 14:30 |
| _Hicham_ | I miss this channel ! | Mar 15 14:31 |
| _Hicham_ | it is becoming more than a novell issue | Mar 15 14:32 |
| _Hicham_ | far more bigger than that | Mar 15 14:32 |
| trmanco | http://video.linuxfoundat... | Mar 15 14:33 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: have you seen BN today? I made 3 posts | Mar 15 14:34 |
| schestowitz | ACTA is an outrage | Mar 15 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Novell is a sympton of a broken system, maybe the scapegoat that takes the toll because it harms Linux, which was intended to be more of a camp (GNU) that serves a grand purpose. | Mar 15 14:35 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes wonder how much of a 'GNU' Linus is.... I mean, it's not as though he can deny his dad was a communist. Maybe he's just shy of certain things. | Mar 15 14:35 |
| trmanco | haha, the ksplice slogam | Mar 15 14:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks, there should be about 30 | Mar 15 14:37 |
| schestowitz | I'll repost in BN | Mar 15 14:37 |
| trmanco | Ksplice - Rebooting is obsolete | Mar 15 14:37 |
| schestowitz | It's raw marketing material for GNU/Linux | Mar 15 14:37 |
| trmanco | the origin is the best one I've found | Mar 15 14:37 |
| trmanco | http://video.linuxfoundation... -> here is another one | Mar 15 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | Earth and you… < http://webhostedservices.com/blog... > | Mar 15 14:47 |
| trmanco | hahaha -> http://video.linuxfoundation.org... | Mar 15 14:51 |
| schestowitz | OK, done: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/15/pr... | Mar 15 14:52 |
| trmanco | that was fast | Mar 15 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | PING kentma | Mar 15 14:57 |
| schestowitz | thanks, kentma | Mar 15 14:58 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks for the pointers. You're helping the cause a lot. | Mar 15 14:58 |
| schestowitz | The Linux Foundation did a wonderful service here because it gives fuel for advocacy. Novell did the same with Compiz. | Mar 15 14:58 |
| _Hicham_ | what did Novell with Compiz? | Mar 15 15:00 |
| schestowitz | It was part of making it possible. | Mar 15 15:00 |
| schestowitz | One of the good things they did. | Mar 15 15:00 |
| _Hicham_ | did they contribute to its code? | Mar 15 15:03 |
| schestowitz | video.linuxfoundation.org is too slow | Mar 15 15:04 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes | Mar 15 15:04 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, you're welcome, yeah it got slow | Mar 15 15:09 |
| trmanco | you gave them a DDoS attack :-P | Mar 15 15:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it times out | Mar 15 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe too much demand | Mar 15 15:09 |
| trmanco | yeah, they tweeted the video section a while ago | Mar 15 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Won't respond now, but the main site (lf) is isolated from video subdom | Mar 15 15:10 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: aah, well, sue twitter then :-) | Mar 15 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation releases wonderful videos and the site is now down due to heavy demand. :-( | Mar 15 15:11 |
| trmanco | https://twitter.com/LinuxDotCom/... | Mar 15 15:13 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 15 15:14 |
| schestowitz | "We're Linux".............. anddddddddddddddddddd..... we're down | Mar 15 15:14 |
| schestowitz | http://video.linuxfoundation.org/category/vid... "Site off-line" | Mar 15 15:15 |
| schestowitz | "The site is currently not available due to technical problems. Please try again later. Thank you for your understanding." | Mar 15 15:15 |
| schestowitz | it's a good thing they put it on YouTube | Mar 15 15:15 |
| schestowitz | And I got an Ogg | Mar 15 15:15 |
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| trmanco | yeah,some are on youtube | Mar 15 15:21 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it'll receive lots of publicity later. Also articles on Monday, so i'll leave it for now.... | Mar 15 15:27 |
| trmanco | ok | Mar 15 15:27 |
| schestowitz | I want to post some good news to COLA | Mar 15 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | PeterKraus: Do you know Greenie? A new version has just been released. http://www.greenie.sk/ | Mar 15 16:02 |
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| PeterKraus | i've heard about it | Mar 15 16:03 |
| PeterKraus | hmm | Mar 15 16:05 |
| PeterKraus | €£7.35 for mail redir | Mar 15 16:05 |
| PeterKraus | that's cool | Mar 15 16:05 |
| _Hicham_ | what is greenie? | Mar 15 16:23 |
| _Hicham_ | it is not available in english | Mar 15 16:23 |
| PeterKraus | Slovak Ubuntu | Mar 15 16:25 |
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| _Hicham_ | I see | Mar 15 16:38 |
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| good morning, comrades! New trick: shift+return = non disruptive way to review the day's IRC. | Mar 15 17:15 | |
| In theory, you can write DVDs with a 286. DVD 1x is 1.321 MB/s, 8MHz ISA gives 16MB/s. Most SCSI cards give 5 MB/s, so you can do it through that interface. | Mar 15 17:15 | |
| You would have to write the image first, then do a a straight burn from disk. FreeDOS should be able to do that kind of thing. Yes, it would be very slow. | Mar 15 17:15 | |
| Must resist urge to set up old 286 with freeDOS. Have much more important and productive things to do. | Mar 15 17:15 | |
| I imagine k3b can get the job done with USB 1 on my 233MHz PII laptop but don't see the need to try. I've got better equipment. | Mar 15 17:15 | |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz:http://magesh.geexhq.com/?p=24 read the seventh line from the bottom...Microsoft always finds its way into opensource conferences | Mar 15 17:15 |
| Dreamweaver dying? Sad for their users, good for network and software freedom. | Mar 15 17:15 | |
| The smears are all M$ has had for a long time. They can't argue technicalities anymore. They are left with, "use our inferior software at all costs or you are a Zealot." | Mar 15 17:15 | |
| the "Extreme Biases" page feeds these smears, please don't link to trash like that. | Mar 15 17:15 | |
| There is nothing natural about the Chicago River. Even if it's algae bloom, that comes from fertilizers and creates dead zones. | Mar 15 17:15 | |
| BN had a nice write up about M$ stinking up competitor's conferences and the underhanded tricks it takes to get there. | Mar 15 17:15 | |
| the bottom line is that you can't trust anyone from M$, no matter how friendly they are personally, their goal is your destruction. | Mar 15 17:16 | |
| zer0c00l | twitter: can i get that link? | Mar 15 17:18 |
| zer0c00l | about the BN's write up on M$ stinking up foss conferences | Mar 15 17:19 |
| jose | google 66 pages of microsoft evil | Mar 15 17:19 |
| jose | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02... | Mar 15 17:19 |
| jose | See the section titled "Microsoft on How it Deliberately Ruins Competitors’ Conferences by Attending" | Mar 15 17:20 |
| jose | There may be other places that cover this, but this is the one i remember | Mar 15 17:21 |
| zer0c00l | jose:thanks | Mar 15 17:24 |
| jose | i link to that page every now and then | Mar 15 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Just a moment | Mar 15 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: thanks, got it. Will post | Mar 15 17:38 |
| zer0c00l | ok ;) | Mar 15 17:38 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: they also stink up OSBC | Mar 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | So I'll combine it | Mar 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Gotta go in a minute | Mar 15 17:39 |
| zer0c00l | ok | Mar 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | jose: yes, I always link to this | Mar 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Micosoft admits crashing events | Mar 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | It'll bribe to get in and ruin it | Mar 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | The organisers need to be slammed | Mar 15 17:40 |
| schestowitz | or be shown the crimes MS commits and its plan to ruin events this way | Mar 15 17:40 |
| schestowitz | gtg | Mar 15 17:46 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: please do show them the crimes | Mar 15 17:47 |
| thanks, jose | Mar 15 17:53 | |
| the link jose provided, zer0c00l, should give pause to anyone genuinely interested in free software | Mar 15 17:54 | |
| zer0c00l | yeah | Mar 15 17:54 |
| zer0c00l | i bookmarked it :) | Mar 15 17:55 |
| that's a good idea. | Mar 15 17:55 | |
| The M$ reaction to GNU/Linux at Walmart is another good indicator of the lengths that M$ will go to crush free software | Mar 15 17:57 | |
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| BN also did a good write up about that | Mar 15 17:57 | |
| and it's recent | Mar 15 17:58 | |
| zer0c00l | ok | Mar 15 17:58 |
| amarsh04__ | twitter, I wrote a DVD at 132 KByte/s (close to 0.1 x) a few hours ago | Mar 15 18:00 |
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| amarsh04__ | source .iso was on a usb drive on a usb 1.1 port | Mar 15 18:00 |
| amarsh04__ | no errors, played fine on a standalone dvd player | Mar 15 18:00 |
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| cool | Mar 15 18:02 | |
| Balrog_ | Red Hat / Patents | Mar 15 18:03 |
| Slashdot has another story on UK Internet Censorship. http://news.slashdot.org/article.p... | Mar 15 18:03 | |
| Balrog_ | http://yro.slashdot.org/article... | Mar 15 18:03 |
| I think it's time to reclaim the spectrum to avoid this kind of attack. Think civil disobedience with Open Spectrum on empty TV broadcast spectrum. | Mar 15 18:04 | |
| The Prometheus Project has done some work like this with community FM and they talk about Open Spectrum, but I don't think they have gone the distance and published plans for free internet routers and mesh networking. | Mar 15 18:06 | |
| centralized telco must die if free press is to survive. | Mar 15 18:07 | |
| _Hicham_ | what about canonical developing closed source products? | Mar 15 18:07 |
| amarsh04 | depends if the telco is a "common carrier" only or a "content provider" | Mar 15 18:08 |
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| jose | amarsh04__, i don't know about dvd burners but perhaps at least the one you used aggregates data for a while and then when the spinning reaches the right spot again it dumps it out at the necessary speed. if so, such a burner should never result in bad burns because of low data rate. wonder how many burners work this way. | Mar 15 18:18 |
| jose | amarsh04_, i don't know about dvd burners but perhaps at least the one you used aggregates data for a while and then when the spinning reaches the right spot again it dumps it out at the necessary speed. if so, such a burner should never result in bad burns because of low data rate. wonder how many burners work this way. | Mar 15 18:18 |
| jose | lol | Mar 15 18:19 |
| jose | amarsh04, i don't know about dvd burners but perhaps at least the one you used aggregates data for a while and then when the spinning reaches the right spot again it dumps it out at the necessary speed. if so, such a burner should never result in bad burns because of low data rate. wonder how many burners work this way. | Mar 15 18:19 |
| jose | schestowitz and anyone else, has this link come out on bn (from 4 days ago) http://blog.wired.com/27bstr... | Mar 15 18:22 |
| jose | i get the feeling, the prior person in that post wanted to rock the boat, while maybe the person who worked (works?) at ms for a while played the laid back approach.. and maybe is mostly interested in pushing ms lockin. .. hopefully not | Mar 15 18:24 |
| he he, I think this just got front paged. http://slashdot.org/fireho... | Mar 15 18:24 | |
| the bridge to microsoft as an the new pork barrel | Mar 15 18:25 | |
| amarsh04_ | jose, I think that it was only burning from its buffer... the disk stayed spinning continuously though | Mar 15 18:25 |
| jose | not sure how to read those numbers about buffer full/etc. | Mar 15 18:27 |
| jose | to be clear, what i was saying would be that the drive would keep it's buffer is accumulation mode for a while, the disk would spin, no burning would take place, the buffer would slowly fill up... | Mar 15 18:28 |
| jose | then in one shot, the buffer would empty down (or part way down) once the right location on the disk came around again.. and the process would repeat. | Mar 15 18:28 |
| jose | it would be interesting to test this perhaps by doing something like a cat > drive | Mar 15 18:29 |
| jose | if you have a drive that works this way (assuming these exist) then you might have to modify the source to the burner software | Mar 15 18:30 |
| jose | ? | Mar 15 18:30 |
| bbl | Mar 15 18:30 | |
| jose | maybe no need to modify. can't remember if these accept input from stdin | Mar 15 18:31 |
| zer0c00l | got a lot picture evidence about how m$ cheats engineering college students..Will shortly send them | Mar 15 18:32 |
| zer0c00l | they organize something called bootcamp | Mar 15 18:32 |
| zer0c00l | the software molester is trying to molest education now | Mar 15 18:33 |
| zer0c00l | in that boot camp they *train* (brain wash students) | Mar 15 18:33 |
| zer0c00l | give them costly food and hotel suits | Mar 15 18:33 |
| zer0c00l | (as bribe) | Mar 15 18:34 |
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| zer0c00l | to spread evil in education | Mar 15 18:34 |
| jose | pre-grease tomorrow's gov and business leaders | Mar 15 18:35 |
| jose | lots of groups try to be good to tomorrow's leaders | Mar 15 18:41 |
| jose | but the ms case doesn't inspire confidence in me | Mar 15 18:41 |
| jose | someone might try this test for recording from something slow: | Mar 15 18:43 |
| jose | get an iso file, break it up into pieces, then run a (shell) script that sends each piece in a loop... | Mar 15 18:44 |
| jose | have a sleep in each loop to slow down the process | Mar 15 18:44 |
| jose | and send all the pieces one after the other to the stdin of say cdrecord | Mar 15 18:44 |
| jose | ie, write a bash loop where on each cycle you sleep for a second and then ship off to stdin of cdrecord the next chunk of the iso | Mar 15 18:45 |
| jose | this won't work if you startup a new cdrecord process in each cycle so you have to shove the stuff into a fifo or whatever but make sure you shove it into the same running cdrecord process | Mar 15 18:47 |
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| Goblin | Hello | Mar 15 18:59 |
| zer0c00l | Goblin:hello | Mar 15 19:00 |
| zer0c00l | :) | Mar 15 19:00 |
| Goblin | just testing out the irc feature in pidgin | Mar 15 19:01 |
| Goblin | not bad.... no DCC send/Recieve though | Mar 15 19:02 |
| zer0c00l | oo | Mar 15 19:06 |
| _Hicham_ | Goblin : did u get the transfer prompt ? | Mar 15 19:07 |
| Goblin | lol | Mar 15 19:09 |
| Goblin | I just did a feature on my blog saying it didnt! | Mar 15 19:10 |
| Goblin | still, what about fileservers? | Mar 15 19:10 |
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| Balrog_ | I'm stuck with non-unicode text again :( | Mar 15 19:13 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : what is the software u r using? | Mar 15 19:14 |
| schestowitz, this story is very interesting. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/... | Mar 15 19:14 | |
| I'm not sure I understand the interference though. Do you have links to stories or did you get the information from email? | Mar 15 19:14 | |
| Balrog_ | someone sent me a pagemaker file created in windows using a proprietary font and keyboard layout | Mar 15 19:14 |
| Balrog_ | the correct chars are cyrillic, but I get this: | Mar 15 19:15 |
| Balrog_ | ïàðàô€³Ã¿íàì | Mar 15 19:15 |
| ick | Mar 15 19:15 | |
| Balrog_ | so the font is mapping cyrillic chars to those codes | Mar 15 19:15 |
| tell them to send you the text | Mar 15 19:15 | |
| Balrog_ | Pagemaker files aren't the problem here | Mar 15 19:15 |
| from something else | Mar 15 19:16 | |
| Balrog_ | it's the font. If they send me the text I will still have this problem | Mar 15 19:16 |
| Balrog_ | (because they'll be using this 'bad' font / keylayout) | Mar 15 19:16 |
| is there anyone else in the world that uses the same, or is this person some kind of an island? | Mar 15 19:17 | |
| Balrog_ | the person did it on Windows | Mar 15 19:17 |
| Balrog_ | :( | Mar 15 19:17 |
| Balrog_ | without Unicode / UTF-8 | Mar 15 19:17 |
| yeah, but can anyone else in the world share pagemaker files with them? | Mar 15 19:17 | |
| Balrog_ | twitter: the pagemaker files aren't an issue | Mar 15 19:18 |
| _Hicham_ | here is a cool wallpaper : http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/... | Mar 15 19:18 |
| Balrog_ | the fonts are | Mar 15 19:18 |
| Balrog_ | and the nonstandard mapping | Mar 15 19:18 |
| Balrog_ | (or what seems to be nonstandard) | Mar 15 19:18 |
| Is there anyone else in the world that has these fonts and mapping? | Mar 15 19:18 | |
| Balrog_ | seems related: | Mar 15 19:18 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.proz.com/forum/office_applicat... | Mar 15 19:18 |
| Balrog_ | they give an OOo-Basic script | Mar 15 19:19 |
| Balrog_ | how to use? | Mar 15 19:19 |
| simplest way, don't use word | Mar 15 19:19 | |
| Balrog_ | but incomplete :( | Mar 15 19:19 |
| Balrog_ | it's not word but rather lack of unicode | Mar 15 19:19 |
| Balrog_ | old software doesn't know unicode :( | Mar 15 19:20 |
| Balrog_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP1251 looks like the problem | Mar 15 19:23 |
| Balrog_ | the Windows-1251 codepage | Mar 15 19:23 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : u should write a post about unicode | Mar 15 19:23 |
| Balrog_ | and there's a decoder :) | Mar 15 19:23 |
| Balrog_ | let's see if it works. | Mar 15 19:23 |
| Balrog_ | YES. | Mar 15 19:24 |
| Balrog_ | :) | Mar 15 19:24 |
| Balrog_ | works | Mar 15 19:24 |
| Balrog_ | but it's still a pain to convert all the text :( | Mar 15 19:26 |
| Balrog_ | why can't people just use UTF-8 ? | Mar 15 19:26 |
| jose | do you want to remap? | Mar 15 19:26 |
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| Balrog_ | jose: ? | Mar 15 19:27 |
| jose | do you want to take the codes in the file and change them around to something else? | Mar 15 19:27 |
| Balrog_ | that's what I wanted | Mar 15 19:27 |
| Balrog_ | the codes are correct, but they're not 'tagged' right | Mar 15 19:27 |
| Balrog_ | so the system thinks it's ASCII when it is CP1251 | Mar 15 19:28 |
| Balrog_ | and I want UTF-8 | Mar 15 19:28 |
| Balrog_ | ò÷ÃÂûø looks like âçÿëè | Mar 15 19:29 |
| jose | i was thinking of a quick loop program that takes each byte and compares to one table and then outputs the correct lookup value | Mar 15 19:29 |
| jose | let me look up utf-8 again.. i know it's like ascii with something extra | Mar 15 19:29 |
| Balrog_ | http://2cyr.com/decode/ does it, but it's not foss | Mar 15 19:29 |
| jose | there might be a library call in python/perl/etc that does this very quickly | Mar 15 19:30 |
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| Balrog_ | rather a web-app | Mar 15 19:30 |
| Balrog_ | hm ... ok | Mar 15 19:30 |
| jose | can you just run it through the web app and copy/paste | Mar 15 19:30 |
| Balrog_ | yes, but is time consuming | Mar 15 19:31 |
| jose | i think mapping to utf-8 would be a little more complex than simple one-to-one char switching | Mar 15 19:31 |
| jose | you have many files? | Mar 15 19:31 |
| Balrog_ | let me look what exists first. | Mar 15 19:31 |
| jose | time consuming in the sense of lots of copy/paste? | Mar 15 19:31 |
| Balrog_ | yes, I have some, and more to come :( | Mar 15 19:31 |
| jose | oh | Mar 15 19:31 |
| Balrog_ | and web app time | Mar 15 19:31 |
| balzac | damn I had a good night at the strip-club last night | Mar 15 19:32 |
| Balrog_ | would Scribus be easy for someone used to pagemaker? | Mar 15 19:32 |
| balzac | double lap-dance from two girls simultaneously | Mar 15 19:32 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : wb | Mar 15 19:32 |
| Balrog_ | I want to say something but I don't think I will :P | Mar 15 19:32 |
| balzac | thick-thighed women, man-crushing thighs and small titties | Mar 15 19:33 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D | Mar 15 19:33 |
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| balzac | And I didn't even pay the lap-dance fee, I bought one girl a champagne and the other a shot | Mar 15 19:33 |
| jose | Balrog_, you want to map cp1251 to what (utf-8?).. maybe google shows that this func exists already from a foss lib | Mar 15 19:34 |
| Balrog_ | utf-8 if possible | Mar 15 19:34 |
| Balrog_ | a standard, not âçÿëè | Mar 15 19:34 |
| balzac | every single dude in that strip club had to be jealous of my "pimp-force" | Mar 15 19:36 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : do u live in NYC? | Mar 15 19:36 |
| balzac | yep | Mar 15 19:36 |
| balzac | I've been to high-end clubs in manhattan, but this was the best lap-dance i've ever had. | Mar 15 19:37 |
| balzac | The only thing better would be the champagne room service in a high-end club in manhattan. I can't afford that yet. | Mar 15 19:38 |
| Balrog_ | get a life | Mar 15 19:39 |
| balzac | well, then some dude came up and farted, like a terrorist, trying to ruin my moment | Mar 15 19:40 |
| balzac | I told the girls, someone farted. i know it was you or you, it was some dude who was jealous of what i had. | Mar 15 19:40 |
| balzac | [I know it *wasn't*] | Mar 15 19:42 |
| amarsh04_ | weird, k3b verify worked for dvd, but not for cd, both burned from iso, yet a manual verify of the burned cd's show them to be good also | Mar 15 19:42 |
| jose | Balrog_, i googled a bit but didn't find anything. the easiest mapping i can think of would be from the cp1251 range to something in the ascii range.. | Mar 15 19:42 |
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| Balrog_ | jose: I'll use the webapp for now. :/ | Mar 15 19:43 |
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| Balrog_ | would Scribus be good for someone used to Pagemaker (now obsolete)? | Mar 15 19:43 |
| jose | can you tell me what keyboard keys (qwerty) get each of the cp1251 characters you want? | Mar 15 19:43 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : u should have a strong perfume in such occasions | Mar 15 19:43 |
| _Hicham_ | a spray that will dissipate the bad fart | Mar 15 19:43 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: I handled it with good public relations skills | Mar 15 19:43 |
| balzac | I blamed it on the "terrorist" who farted | Mar 15 19:44 |
| balzac | I knew it wasn't either one of my big-legged beauties, and I knew it wasn't me. It was a jealous man who didn't have the guts to step up and get dissed. | Mar 15 19:44 |
| _Hicham_ | the bouncers should close every asshole to prevent this | Mar 15 19:45 |
| _Hicham_ | :D | Mar 15 19:45 |
| balzac | They should just add it to the sign on the front door. "No Farting Allowed" | Mar 15 19:46 |
| balzac | because it's a strip club and you've got no business breaking wind in there why people are trying to enjoy the girls. | Mar 15 19:46 |
| balzac | Then, add another sign | Mar 15 19:47 |
| jose | Balrog_ was searching for scribus plugins for cp1251 but had no luck.. maybe you want to try that. i would be surprised if this problem was solved long ago | Mar 15 19:47 |
| jose | was -> wasn't | Mar 15 19:47 |
| balzac | "Be an Eagle-Eyes Snitch and Get Rich" "If any man in your vicinity farts, tell the bouncer." | Mar 15 19:47 |
| Balrog_ | no, meaning for the person who's using pagemaker | Mar 15 19:47 |
| balzac | $20 reward for turning them in | Mar 15 19:47 |
| Balrog_ | jose: would switching to scribus be that bad? | Mar 15 19:47 |
| jose | http://www.sourcexchange.de/?page=Sho... | Mar 15 19:48 |
| balzac | Then if one of the girls doesn't like a guy, she can fart and someone will blame it on him, he'll get thrown out. | Mar 15 19:48 |
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| jose | that link i just gave shows that you only need 4 different "lookups" to map cd1251 to utf8 | Mar 15 19:49 |
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| jose | public domain java function | Mar 15 19:49 |
| Balrog_ | jose: not bad | Mar 15 19:50 |
| Balrog_ | let me try it | Mar 15 19:50 |
| jose | :-) hope it works | Mar 15 19:50 |
| jose | nothing complex is going on so the license shouldn't be an issue in any case | Mar 15 19:50 |
| Balrog_ | well the webapp works | Mar 15 19:51 |
| Balrog_ | it's public domain code | Mar 15 19:51 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : I am transforming my Ubuntu into a Debian Sid | Mar 15 19:51 |
| balzac | slick | Mar 15 19:51 |
| jose | can you isolate the cp1251 text (no header file and other embeded stuff)? | Mar 15 19:51 |
| balzac | I'll do that with one of my Ubuntu installations | Mar 15 19:51 |
| jose | if so, then you can build yourself a quick utility for future use | Mar 15 19:51 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, just copy/paste | Mar 15 19:52 |
| balzac | Man, was I feeling the ubuntu last night! | Mar 15 19:52 |
| jose | ok | Mar 15 19:52 |
| Balrog_ | all the formatting gets lost | Mar 15 19:52 |
| jose | oh, you want the formatting as well, right? | Mar 15 19:52 |
| balzac | Also, there's a hot girl who wants me to put ubuntu into her computer | Mar 15 19:52 |
| jose | i don't know about pagemaker.. if you can read this then presumably it uses an open-ish format | Mar 15 19:52 |
| Balrog_ | jose: nope. | Mar 15 19:53 |
| Balrog_ | I have pagemaker-compatible apps | Mar 15 19:53 |
| jose | not open or you don't want formatting? | Mar 15 19:53 |
| jose | ok | Mar 15 19:53 |
| jose | $$ ? | Mar 15 19:53 |
| Balrog_ | I don't care about the formatting | Mar 15 19:53 |
| Balrog_ | I just don't want çàïðîøóÃ¥ìî | Mar 15 19:53 |
| jose | well, if you isolate all the text into a file by itself, then a simple util should work | Mar 15 19:54 |
| Balrog_ | jose: I have friends who are graphics designers and give me older versions | Mar 15 19:54 |
| jose | ok | Mar 15 19:54 |
| Balrog_ | I don't do new stuff in them, but they are useful in cases like this | Mar 15 19:54 |
| jose | do you know java.. did you udnerstand that function? | Mar 15 19:54 |
| Balrog_ | this problem comes from lack of Unicode support in the original app | Mar 15 19:54 |
| Balrog_ | http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/vi... | Mar 15 19:54 |
| Balrog_ | yes, I know java well enough | Mar 15 19:54 |
| Balrog_ | it looks like it's doing some sort of shifting | Mar 15 19:55 |
| jose | simple app that opens stdin and reads, applies that function, spits the buffer to stdout, and ends | Mar 15 19:55 |
| Balrog_ | yes. | Mar 15 19:55 |
| jose | yeah, like sending code 233 to a smaller number | Mar 15 19:56 |
| jose | it's uniform mapping | Mar 15 19:56 |
| jose | no lookup table because in all cases you get the result by the same subtraction | Mar 15 19:56 |
| Balrog_ | yes. | Mar 15 19:56 |
| Balrog_ | why can't they just support unicode? I hope current adobe stuff supports it .... | Mar 15 19:56 |
| jose | anyway, you can just copy/paste that func and compile it | Mar 15 19:56 |
| Balrog_ | though I wouldn't exactly encourage use of it | Mar 15 19:57 |
| Balrog_ | I just have to write a wrapper around that func | Mar 15 19:57 |
| Balrog_ | *method | Mar 15 19:57 |
| jose | myconverter textfiletoconver > newfilethatisgood | Mar 15 19:58 |
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| Balrog_ | yes | Mar 15 19:58 |
| Balrog_ | or 'myconverter < textfiletoconver > newfilethatisgood' | Mar 15 19:58 |
| jose | assuming you wrap the jvm call in simple one line shell script | Mar 15 19:58 |
| Balrog_ | yeah ... | Mar 15 19:58 |
| jose | otherwise it's: java .... whatever | Mar 15 19:58 |
| Balrog_ | what about gcj in this situation? | Mar 15 19:58 |
| jose | don't use it | Mar 15 19:59 |
| Balrog_ | elaborat. | Mar 15 19:59 |
| Balrog_ | s/t/te | Mar 15 19:59 |
| jose | i just mean that i haven't used gcj | Mar 15 19:59 |
| Balrog_ | o ok. | Mar 15 19:59 |
| jose | not because it is bad .. i haven't compiled java in a while | Mar 15 19:59 |
| jose | and when i did, i'm not sure if gcj was an option i knew about | Mar 15 20:00 |
| jose | i used whatever sun provided. | Mar 15 20:00 |
| Balrog_ | ok. | Mar 15 20:01 |
| Balrog_ | java is foss now (from sun) | Mar 15 20:01 |
| jose | let me pre-empt the lecture in using foss... | Mar 15 20:01 |
| jose | by saying i would only use it now if possible and would check | Mar 15 20:01 |
| jose | but haven't been coding recently | Mar 15 20:01 |
| MinceR | isn't only icedtea foss? | Mar 15 20:02 |
| MinceR | or did that become the official java? | Mar 15 20:02 |
| Balrog_ | no, full java is | Mar 15 20:02 |
| jose | http://www.ustrem.org/en/artic... | Mar 15 20:02 |
| Balrog_ | but much of the HotSpot JVM is assembly, therefore the need for IcedTea | Mar 15 20:02 |
| Balrog_ | The SNMP library was still a blob last time I checked | Mar 15 20:02 |
| Balrog_ | not sure if that was reimplemented as foss yet. | Mar 15 20:03 |
| jose | that php code can probably be changed easily to something else (eg, perl, python, maybe bash) for those that know | Mar 15 20:03 |
| jose | but php can be run from the command line so i don't think there is a problem | Mar 15 20:03 |
| jose | Balrog_, maybe the webapp you used uses that php func.. ;-) | Mar 15 20:04 |
| Balrog_ | maybe | Mar 15 20:05 |
| jose | that -> those | Mar 15 20:05 |
| Balrog_ | but that webapp does much more than cp1251 | Mar 15 20:05 |
| schestowitz | jose: yes, I've covered it: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/... (Department of Homeland Security ‘Poisoned’ by Microsoft; Vista 7 is Open to Hijackers Again) | Mar 15 20:05 |
| jose | ah, but i said "uses" not "is entirely composed of nothing but..." | Mar 15 20:05 |
| Balrog_ | yes, I know :P | Mar 15 20:05 |
| jose | i'm playing around.. i should get to more serious work | Mar 15 20:05 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: explain | Mar 15 20:06 |
| jose | ok schestowitz | Mar 15 20:06 |
| jose | that was news from i think 4 days back | Mar 15 20:06 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: any details/links about these "bootcamp" bribes would be appreciated | Mar 15 20:06 |
| jose | i figured you had covered it and that i missed it or just didn't remember | Mar 15 20:06 |
| zer0c00l | yeah | Mar 15 20:07 |
| zer0c00l | will send you by mail shortly | Mar 15 20:07 |
| schestowitz | twitter: the Finland story I have from a reliable source. OSI blog linked to it, as well as other sites. | Mar 15 20:08 |
| jose | Balrog_ fyi/fwiw, i got those links by googling for "cp1251 converter" | Mar 15 20:08 |
| Balrog_ | thanks | Mar 15 20:08 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: _Hicham_> Roy : u should write a post about unicode | Mar 15 20:10 |
| schestowitz | What about it? | Mar 15 20:10 |
| Balrog_ | is there anything about unicode in that post? | Mar 15 20:10 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : Balrog is suffering from unicode compatibility | Mar 15 20:11 |
| PetoKraus | in-* | Mar 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | > balzac: "I bought one girl a champagne and the other a shot" | Mar 15 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | What kind of shot? | Mar 15 20:12 |
| MinceR | Headshot! | Mar 15 20:12 |
| MinceR | ^_^ | Mar 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | >" every single dude in that strip club had to be jealous of my "pimp-force"" | Mar 15 20:12 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : where r u ? | Mar 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | You mean pimp-fu, right? | Mar 15 20:12 |
| Balrog_ | (balzac: get a life) | Mar 15 20:13 |
| MinceR | use the Pimp-Force, Luke! | Mar 15 20:13 |
| jose | schestowitz, proprietary secret meant to induce compatibility | Mar 15 20:13 |
| jose | i know it sounds wrong | Mar 15 20:13 |
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| jose | turning on away mode | Mar 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: it's there in the post: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/12... | Mar 15 20:16 |
| PetoKraus | anyway | Mar 15 20:16 |
| PetoKraus | anyone of you needing a place to sleep for a night or a couple when you'll be in the proximity of glasgow | Mar 15 20:16 |
| PetoKraus | drop me an email | Mar 15 20:17 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: where in the post? | Mar 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: is unicode relevant to BN's main theme? For a post? | Mar 15 20:17 |
| PetoKraus | since yesterday, i've got a free room in my flat ;) | Mar 15 20:17 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : microsoft is still enforcing its codepage | Mar 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: the DHS part | Mar 15 20:18 |
| _Hicham_ | the 1252 i think | Mar 15 20:18 |
| Balrog_ | _Hicham_: enforcing? | Mar 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we talk about different things | Mar 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | DHS also puts back doors in Windows | Mar 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Though I don't know the relationship between NSA and DHS | Mar 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I imagine them and CIA/FBI are close enough | Mar 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: oh, I see.. | Mar 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: is it news though? | Mar 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Was it covered elsewhere? | Mar 15 20:19 |
| Balrog_ | how are they 'enforcing' 1252? | Mar 15 20:20 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : it is not news, but it making people's life harder | Mar 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | The IEE is on the MSBBC's ass. | Mar 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | They've just mailed me | Mar 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | No wonder the BBC is posting in BN (damage contro) | Mar 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | brb, it's good that the BBC watchdogs take notice. | Mar 15 20:24 |
| Balrog_ | BBC posting in BN? where? | Mar 15 20:25 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: please check your email :) | Mar 15 20:31 |
| zer0c00l | microsoft bribes students for designing websites using ASP.NET and silverlight http://www.goalivechallenge.co... | Mar 15 20:32 |
| *zer0c00l wonders why they are doing this in india | Mar 15 20:32 | |
| *zer0c00l also wonders it only happens in india? | Mar 15 20:33 | |
| Balrog_ | :( | Mar 15 20:33 |
| Balrog_ | there are professors at my school that push SL | Mar 15 20:33 |
| zer0c00l | SL? | Mar 15 20:34 |
| Balrog_ | silver light | Mar 15 20:34 |
| zer0c00l | you push it back at them | Mar 15 20:34 |
| zer0c00l | show them drupal or joomla | Mar 15 20:34 |
| zer0c00l | or some thing more cool | Mar 15 20:35 |
| zer0c00l | which is in oss | Mar 15 20:35 |
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| Balrog_ | I'm using wordpress for a site right now | Mar 15 20:36 |
| Balrog_ | I may switch to Drupal in the future | Mar 15 20:36 |
| zer0c00l | Balrog_ :gr8 | Mar 15 20:36 |
| zer0c00l | ok | Mar 15 20:36 |
| Balrog_ | but the hosting plan allows for only one MySQL database :( | Mar 15 20:36 |
| zer0c00l | Balrog_ : they deliberately doing this? | Mar 15 20:36 |
| zer0c00l | oh free hosting? | Mar 15 20:36 |
| Balrog_ | who, the school? | Mar 15 20:36 |
| Balrog_ | no, it's barebones | Mar 15 20:36 |
| zer0c00l | yeah | Mar 15 20:36 |
| Balrog_ | paid | Mar 15 20:36 |
| Balrog_ | don't know. these are older professors | Mar 15 20:37 |
| zer0c00l | tell them that M$ is evil | Mar 15 20:37 |
| zer0c00l | show them some good technology may be ajax | Mar 15 20:37 |
| zer0c00l | :-) | Mar 15 20:37 |
| Balrog_ | they use the excuse that it's what employers want these days | Mar 15 20:37 |
| Balrog_ | (silverlight, adobe flex, etc) | Mar 15 20:37 |
| Balrog_ | idk if I told you but they teach VB.NET at this place too | Mar 15 20:38 |
| zer0c00l | no employers dont want VB.NET | Mar 15 20:38 |
| zer0c00l | they want people with creativity | Mar 15 20:38 |
| Balrog_ | I have a friend that's convinced that ASP.NET is the way to go | Mar 15 20:38 |
| Balrog_ | considers other stuff "toys" | Mar 15 20:39 |
| zer0c00l | you could learn all silverlight adobe etc etc later | Mar 15 20:39 |
| Balrog_ | (well not really a friend) | Mar 15 20:39 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, they also teach C# | Mar 15 20:39 |
| Balrog_ | information science majors must take a year of VB.NET based programming | Mar 15 20:40 |
| zer0c00l | see M$ tech will be easy to learn ,you can do anything very quickly,atlast u get nothing | Mar 15 20:40 |
| zer0c00l | lol | Mar 15 20:40 |
| Balrog_ | that's what I tell him | Mar 15 20:40 |
| zer0c00l | which school? | Mar 15 20:40 |
| Balrog_ | (the 'friend') | Mar 15 20:40 |
| Balrog_ | doesn't care | Mar 15 20:40 |
| Balrog_ | PM? | Mar 15 20:40 |
| zer0c00l | yeah dont care about them | Mar 15 20:40 |
| Balrog_ | pm is ok? | Mar 15 20:40 |
| zer0c00l | pm? | Mar 15 20:40 |
| Balrog_ | (private message) | Mar 15 20:41 |
| zer0c00l | ok | Mar 15 20:41 |
| zer0c00l | :) | Mar 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_> BBC posting in BN? where? | Mar 15 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_> BBC posting in BN? where? | Mar 15 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Some posts (critique) | Mar 15 20:43 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: thanks, got it. | Mar 15 20:46 |
| schestowitz | it's a lot of work | Mar 15 20:46 |
| zer0c00l | :) | Mar 15 20:46 |
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| balzac | That's a pretty sweet promotional video for the Linux kernel | Mar 15 21:25 |
| MinceR | http://news.slashdot.org/arti... | Mar 15 21:25 |
| balzac | Luckily I'm working on some GNU-branded promotional materials. | Mar 15 21:25 |
| MinceR | the corporate puppet is at it again | Mar 15 21:25 |
| balzac | ACTAtorship - that's good | Mar 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the robber robs some more | Mar 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | tax evasion not enough | Mar 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | They want to TAX the public. | Mar 15 21:28 |
| balzac | You know who is a good help on resisting this kind of thing - George Soros with his Open Society Institute. | Mar 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | While not paying tax | Mar 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I don't believe in Soros | Mar 15 21:28 |
| balzac | There's two OSIs, Open Soceity Institute and the Open Source Initiative. | Mar 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Open Society Institute=PR | Mar 15 21:28 |
| balzac | yeah, well Soros is no clown | Mar 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | It's one of the "Get offa my friggin' back' orgs | Mar 15 21:29 |
| MinceR | also, http://yro.slashdot.org/arti... | Mar 15 21:29 |
| MinceR | is there no such thing as "public domain" for patents in the usa? | Mar 15 21:29 |
| balzac | Soros funds Media Matters. They respond immediately and effectively to a lot of reich-wing propagandists. | Mar 15 21:30 |
| balzac | Also, Open Society Institute is involved in something IT-related which is beneficial, but I can't remember exactly what, off hand. | Mar 15 21:31 |
| balzac | oh yeah, OSI (Soros' OSI) is funding the EFF, IIRC. | Mar 15 21:32 |
| balzac | http://www.eff.org/press/arc... | Mar 15 21:33 |
| balzac | Surveillance Self-Defense was created with the support of the Open Society Institute. | Mar 15 21:33 |
| balzac | http://ssd.eff.org | Mar 15 21:33 |
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| MinceR | ...though maybe they'll have to threaten the bad guys with patent lawsuits to survive. | Mar 15 21:34 |
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| A good article on M$ tax evasion http://crosscut.com/2008/02... | Mar 15 21:42 | |
| Slashdot did front page the Bridge to M$ story. | Mar 15 21:43 | |
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| schestowitz | "I tried Opensuse 11 for awhile and I liked it but i went back to Fedora 10 due to technical issues. However, Novell's cosy relationship with Microsoft is another subconscious reason for my shift back to my favorite OS. In the long wrong," http://www.mixx.com/stories/4156186/mi... | Mar 15 22:02 |
| balzac | http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Mar 15 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | joy! | Mar 15 22:07 |
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| trmanco | haha | Mar 15 22:08 |
| schestowitz | "I still use openSUSE and have not noticed any difference between what SuSE did and where openSUSE is at present. Apart from the fact that the deal always seemed odious, no noticeable impact has surfaced." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.... | Mar 15 22:09 |
| trmanco | 50 Successful Open Source Projects That Are Changing Medicine: http://nursingassistantguides.com/... <- I little old, I know | Mar 15 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: idiots like them put the life of others at risk. Maybe they should just go splat and end it | Mar 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | These stunts are no Jackass 'fun' | Mar 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story... "This is what a lot of companies partnering Microsoft don't seem to get - if you put Microsoft ahead of your customers, expect your customers to leave." | Mar 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks, got it down | Mar 15 22:11 |
| trmanco | it was RT'd by Glyn | Mar 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | OK, good. | Mar 15 22:12 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/1... <- I think it's the longest I've ever done | Mar 15 22:13 |
| trmanco | wow | Mar 15 22:13 |
| trmanco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWee... | Mar 15 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft news was dry this week. Good. | Mar 15 22:15 |
| schestowitz | They have nothing going anymore (except workforce reductions, canceled products/services) | Mar 15 22:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/enviro... ('Biochar' goes industrial with giant microwaves to lock carbon in charcoal) | Mar 15 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Assimilation to the extreme: Dalai Lama warns of Tibetan culture's 'extinction' < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2... > | Mar 15 22:17 |
| balzac | If the Chinese government is going to claim that Tibet is part of China, and Tibetans are actually Chinese, then Hu Jintao should be wearing a big yellow Tibetan Lama's hat. | Mar 15 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft news for past week: 430 excl. the dupes | Mar 15 22:19 |
| schestowitz | News about "Windows 7": 15 | Mar 15 22:19 |
| schestowitz | The non-existent program | Mar 15 22:19 |
| schestowitz | I'm surveying like this every week | Mar 15 22:19 |
| balzac | Google should do a Tibetan holiday theme on their logo one day. I doubt they'd have the nerve to ruffle the feathers of the Chinese government. | Mar 15 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Since the business press is funded by the business they refrain from challenging the PR | Mar 15 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: google has investors | Mar 15 22:20 |
| balzac | s/rog/zac | Mar 15 22:20 |
| schestowitz | PR is just some excuse to get people off your back to them | Mar 15 22:20 |
| schestowitz | They are obliged to make tghe Chinese government happy | Mar 15 22:21 |
| schestowitz | The investors decide | Mar 15 22:21 |
| balzac | not sure if that's the right syntax because I actually don't use awk and sed yet | Mar 15 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Shareholder vote with wallet | Mar 15 22:21 |
| balzac | damned share-holders | Mar 15 22:21 |
| schestowitz | There is no account for ethics in this framework of busienss. | Mar 15 22:21 |
| balzac | I wish Bernie Madoff had lost their money | Mar 15 22:21 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 15 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Would be better had he not been born | Mar 15 22:21 |
| balzac | come on now. don't you think that's a bit harsh? | Mar 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Reports: Microsoft Cripples Windows 7 Starter Edition in Hopes of Netbook Upgrades < http://www.dailytech.com/Reports+Micros... >. I think I covered this | Mar 15 22:22 |
| balzac | Bernie was generous with everyone else's money | Mar 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | balzac: no, ot harsh at all | Mar 15 22:22 |
| balzac | he was like Santa Claus, but then he made a miscalculation and now he's treated like the devil. | Mar 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Vista news: 4 | Mar 15 22:23 |
| schestowitz | So here is how it goes | Mar 15 22:23 |
| schestowitz | In one week, the non-existent product got 4 times more publicity than the flagship product | Mar 15 22:23 |
| schestowitz | That's vapourware tactics. Model example. | Mar 15 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Think 7 | Mar 15 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Think promises | Mar 15 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It WILL be great | Mar 15 22:24 |
| schestowitz | WILL=MIGHT | Mar 15 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Forget Vista | Mar 15 22:24 |
| Balrog_ | "iPhone 3.0 Copy and Paste Described" | Mar 15 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I.e. forget about what we offer | Mar 15 22:24 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/1... | Mar 15 22:24 |
| Balrog_ | still a rumor | Mar 15 22:24 |
| MinceR | wow, maybe the jesusPhone 4.0 in 2012 will have the functionality a real smartphone had years ago! | Mar 15 22:26 |
| MinceR | crApple -- yesterday's technology at tomorrow's price. | Mar 15 22:26 |
| Balrog_ | a real smartphone <<< stable? | Mar 15 22:26 |
| Balrog_ | capacitive touchscreen or crappy resistive? | Mar 15 22:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did we tell you it shiiiiiny? | Mar 15 22:27 |
| MinceR | oh, i know | Mar 15 22:27 |
| MinceR | so many sprinkles on a piece of turd. | Mar 15 22:27 |
| schestowitz | But it hard a sharp issue | Mar 15 22:27 |
| schestowitz | The first iteration.. | Mar 15 22:28 |
| balzac | bbiab | Mar 15 22:28 |
| schestowitz | People's iPhone got worn off and broken apart even in gym bags | Mar 15 22:28 |
| schestowitz | It just broke to small pieces over time | Mar 15 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they changed manufacturers in G3 | Mar 15 22:28 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, when you buy it, it's shiny | Mar 15 22:28 |
| Balrog_ | you mean the apple logo? | Mar 15 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I think the screen | Mar 15 22:29 |
| schestowitz | It was published in some places at the time | Mar 15 22:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm quite indifferent when it comes to phones | Mar 15 22:29 |
| Balrog_ | hm. I didn't hear too much about it, but it *is* glass :) | Mar 15 22:29 |
| Balrog_ | and yes, I do see broken ones on occasion | Mar 15 22:29 |
| Balrog_ | one nasty thing about the first-gen iphone is that to fix broken glass, you need a whole new new screen assembly (including LCD panel) | Mar 15 22:30 |
| Balrog_ | expensive :( | Mar 15 22:30 |
| Balrog_ | the never ones have a two-part touchscreen and LCD | Mar 15 22:30 |
| Balrog_ | I wonder how the android is...? | Mar 15 22:30 |
| Balrog_ | (I've disassembled the 1st-gen iphone) | Mar 15 22:32 |
| MinceR | "the android" is an OS, not a device | Mar 15 22:33 |
| Balrog_ | err, T-Mobile G1 | Mar 15 22:33 |
| Balrog_ | sorry :( | Mar 15 22:33 |
| schestowitz | G1 is fugly, IMHO | Mar 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | But it's useful for the user... kb and all | Mar 15 22:35 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, if you like keyboards :P | Mar 15 22:36 |
| Balrog_ | I don't think keyboards are always a good idea: many moving parts, high relative chance of failure | Mar 15 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Yo MinceR, check out what your buddy sez: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-so... | Mar 15 22:37 |
| schestowitz | And he's poisoning others (Asay) | Mar 15 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: let's use a notepad instead. Fire is the worst enemy :-) | Mar 15 22:38 |
| MinceR | he's not my buddy | Mar 15 22:38 |
| Balrog_ | heh, a notepad :) | Mar 15 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: a bit sour grapey, no? | Mar 15 22:38 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: about? | Mar 15 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Why have a kb on my PC? | Mar 15 22:38 |
| schestowitz | I can have on-screen keyboard to mouse over | Mar 15 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Fewer moving parts | Mar 15 22:38 |
| Balrog_ | because I have five fingers, and the size is right | Mar 15 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Less risk spilling tea on it ;-) | Mar 15 22:38 |
| Balrog_ | with portable devices, you lose a lot of the benefit of a full-size keyboard | Mar 15 22:39 |
| Balrog_ | (no touch typing possible) | Mar 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | You can still connect them | Mar 15 22:39 |
| MinceR | Balrog_: and i still keep a lot of them | Mar 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Does iphone have peripherals like kb? | Mar 15 22:39 |
| Balrog_ | yes, that should be possible, definitely | Mar 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | But is there? | Mar 15 22:39 |
| MinceR | a peripheral is a lot less handy there | Mar 15 22:39 |
| Balrog_ | the only peripherals I know of is a TTY device for blind people | Mar 15 22:40 |
| schestowitz | My 8 yo palm had it | Mar 15 22:40 |
| MinceR | a clip-on thumbboard might work but i doubt they make those for the jesusPhone | Mar 15 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: what would be the point? | Mar 15 22:40 |
| Balrog_ | well, the iphone doesn't have a 'word processor' app | Mar 15 22:40 |
| schestowitz | They can't see if it's shiny | Mar 15 22:40 |
| schestowitz | They might as well get a cheaper phone | Mar 15 22:40 |
| Balrog_ | err not blink | Mar 15 22:40 |
| Balrog_ | blind * | Mar 15 22:40 |
| Balrog_ | deaf | Mar 15 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Ah | Mar 15 22:40 |
| Balrog_ | typing without thinking :P | Mar 15 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Why was opy and paste removed? | Mar 15 22:41 |
| schestowitz | OpenClip? | Mar 15 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Security reasons? | Mar 15 22:41 |
| schestowitz | 'Security' | Mar 15 22:41 |
| Balrog_ | yes. to implement it, it was writing in a different app's sandbox. | Mar 15 22:41 |
| Balrog_ | you can't do that on any platform with sandboxes | Mar 15 22:41 |
| schestowitz | With iPhone, 'Security' Is Code for 'Control' < http://www.schneier.com/essay-204.html > | Mar 15 22:42 |
| Balrog_ | (sandbox is supposed to be restricted to one app) | Mar 15 22:42 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 15 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Welcome back single-tasking :-) | Mar 15 22:42 |
| Balrog_ | on ANY platform :O | Mar 15 22:42 |
| MinceR | i hated palmos 5 precisely because it had no multitasking | Mar 15 22:42 |
| Balrog_ | there *should* be global storage though | Mar 15 22:42 |
| MinceR | (except for really ugly interrupt-driven hacks not many apps did) | Mar 15 22:43 |
| Balrog_ | oh, the iphone is perfectly capable of multitasking | Mar 15 22:43 |
| Balrog_ | Apple's own software does it | Mar 15 22:43 |
| MinceR | it just won't do it for you | Mar 15 22:43 |
| MinceR | because you're not cool enough to be worthy | Mar 15 22:43 |
| Balrog_ | but multitasking can be terrible for battery life | Mar 15 22:43 |
| MinceR | and not being able to multitask can be terrible for achieving what i need to do | Mar 15 22:43 |
| Balrog_ | if I have terminal (with four shell sessions) open in the background, the battery drains at an increased rate | Mar 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | The Dennis Byron troll is at it again, peddling the Vole... "On February 26, some organization called Wikileaks (just what you think it means).." | Mar 15 22:44 |
| MinceR | i wonder whether functionality or battery life is more important | Mar 15 22:44 |
| MinceR | decisions, decisions | Mar 15 22:44 |
| Balrog_ | well, users don't like phantom apps that reduce battery life without telling them | Mar 15 22:44 |
| MinceR | hm, when did those "phantom apps" appear? | Mar 15 22:44 |
| Balrog_ | something need to be done to show users how much battery life will they use | Mar 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I doubt it affects battery | Mar 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | It just used more RAM | Mar 15 22:44 |
| Balrog_ | phantom apps are those that run in the background that shouldn't | Mar 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | If you run multiple apps | Mar 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | You do a normal round-robin | Mar 15 22:45 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: It depends. If an app uses a daemon, it may reduce battery | Mar 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | If implemented properly it should be cheap | Mar 15 22:45 |
| Balrog_ | or if it fetches data from network | Mar 15 22:45 |
| Balrog_ | yes, but how will the end-user know if it's implemented properly? | Mar 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: let it | Mar 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | It needs it | Mar 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | If it probes network, it has reason to | Mar 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Else, reprogram app | Mar 15 22:46 |
| MinceR | or perhaps the user should care about what he's running | Mar 15 22:46 |
| Balrog_ | it has reason to. But the user needs to know that it's probing network and that it will reduce battery life. | Mar 15 22:46 |
| Balrog_ | also, apps shouldn't 'waste' CPU in the background. | Mar 15 22:47 |
| Balrog_ | a badly programmed one will | Mar 15 22:47 |
| Balrog_ | install two or three or more apps, and how do you know which is the culprit without complicated (for typical users) tracking? | Mar 15 22:48 |
| MinceR | the device should do what i want it to do, not what some marketers in Cupertino decided what a complete idiot could cope with. | Mar 15 22:49 |
| MinceR | if i wanted a device idiots can handle, i'd have bought the cheapest, dumbest phone i could get a hold of. | Mar 15 22:49 |
| Balrog_ | yes, it should. But they don't want idiots calling and saying "Why doesn't this work?" | Mar 15 22:49 |
| Balrog_ | what about non-technical users who aren't idiots? Not everyone is a geek like us :P | Mar 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | i'm tired of having apple fanboys tell me how great that crap they've paid through the nose is, when in fact it isn't. | Mar 15 22:50 |
| Balrog_ | answer that last question. what about non-technical users? | Mar 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | they should aim for a device that does what they want and what they can handle | Mar 15 22:53 |
| MinceR | there's probably a wide spectrum of devices that can potentially be useful | Mar 15 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | Apple Beats Microsoft to 25000 Mobile Apps < http://www.appscout.com/2009/03/app... > | Mar 15 22:55 |
| Balrog_ | well the Mac is very much like that .... software wise ... at least in my experiences | Mar 15 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Is that a good measure of much? It's not as though people use many apps? | Mar 15 22:55 |
| Balrog_ | that shows that the app store gives the opportunity to independent developers | Mar 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Mark "Harvey Mudd College" as polluted by Microsoft interests: http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/03... | Mar 15 22:57 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: I believe the community figured out how to unbrick those phones that got bricked. | Mar 15 22:58 |
| Balrog_ | and all updates will erase unauthorized software, because they just overwrite the system partition | Mar 15 22:58 |
| Balrog_ | (on the iphone) | Mar 15 22:59 |
| schestowitz | This is dumb: hey, Microsoft's stock in in the toilet, but "it makes me feel younger" :: Microsoft stock brings back that old feeling < http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht... > | Mar 15 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: :-)) Don't get me started in bricking | Mar 15 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Those phones are merely rented, let's face it | Mar 15 23:00 |
| schestowitz | The illusion of ownership, just like win32 | Mar 15 23:00 |
| balzac | Roy, do you think you might have a word with Mark Shuttleworth and ask him to have his ops let me back into #ubuntu? | Mar 15 23:00 |
| balzac | I know he has commented on your blog before. | Mar 15 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Holy batman! Watch this spin: http://www.mxlogic.com/security... http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/249156/con... | Mar 15 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sloppiness attacks Windows | Mar 15 23:01 |
| schestowitz | And the press portrays Microsoft as the white knight, a hero | Mar 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Go, go Microsoft! Beat those people who exploit your bad engineering. | Mar 15 23:02 |
| MinceR | yes, the mac is aimed at the lowest level of intellect that's humanly possible | Mar 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I won't bother him with that | Mar 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | It's redundant | Mar 15 23:02 |
| MinceR | and i'm offended when the apple fanboys are pushing it. | Mar 15 23:02 |
| balzac | Ok, I just thought I'd ask. | Mar 15 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Try yourself. | Mar 15 23:03 |
| Balrog_ | heh ... then I wonder why it's widely used in scientific computing. | Mar 15 23:03 |
| Balrog_ | balzac: why did you get blocked? | Mar 15 23:03 |
| balzac | I complained a bit. | Mar 15 23:03 |
| balzac | First it was about audio problems: ALSA restarting not re-initializing my audio. | Mar 15 23:04 |
| balzac | I said "I shouldn't have to reboot to get my audio back. That's for windows" | Mar 15 23:04 |
| balzac | Then I made the implication that people struggle for position in the repositories | Mar 15 23:04 |
| balzac | I wondered aloud why certain packages were broken in the repos | Mar 15 23:05 |
| schestowitz | claire.newman at canonical.com | Mar 15 23:05 |
| balzac | This was in #ubuntu, and I was off-topic | Mar 15 23:05 |
| balzac | so they suggested #ubuntu-offtopic | Mar 15 23:05 |
| balzac | I complained about the name | Mar 15 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I think he asked about offtopic | Mar 15 23:05 |
| schestowitz | beat me to it! | Mar 15 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: we need bn-offtopic too | Mar 15 23:06 |
| balzac | Fedora has a channel for open conversation and it's called #fedora-social. I find "social" more inviting than "offtopic". | Mar 15 23:06 |
| schestowitz | For your stories about lap dances and such. | Mar 15 23:06 |
| balzac | so then they were like, "do you have a problem"? | Mar 15 23:06 |
| balzac | and said "yeah, I don't like the name #ubuntu-offtopic. It sounds too utilitarian, and it's named in such a way as to de-value the conversation which happens there" | Mar 15 23:06 |
| balzac | anyway, they got the idea that I'm a whiner | Mar 15 23:07 |
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| balzac | we hashed it out in #ubuntu-ops for a little while. I ended up banned from those three #ubuntu channels | Mar 15 23:07 |
| balzac | I found myself discussing things with one of the ops in #defocus | Mar 15 23:07 |
| balzac | Anyway, I didn't take anything personally, nor did I make it personal | Mar 15 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Haha. Microsoft gets what it deserves: http://community.adn.com/a... | Mar 15 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Context: http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com... | Mar 15 23:08 |
| balzac | So the next day I went back into #ubuntu as Dont_Tase_Me_Bro | Mar 15 23:08 |
| balzac | I got re-routed to #ubuntu_ops | Mar 15 23:08 |
| balzac | I said, hey this is nice, it feels as if I've been invited | Mar 15 23:08 |
| balzac | they brought me there from #ubuntu | Mar 15 23:08 |
| schestowitz | So they tased u? | Mar 15 23:08 |
| balzac | but then they banned me again | Mar 15 23:08 |
| balzac | essentially | Mar 15 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you teased them | Mar 15 23:09 |
| balzac | I think they could use a little decaf. | Mar 15 23:09 |
| Balrog_ | how did they know it was you? IP? | Mar 15 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Depends how you phrased your suggestion | Mar 15 23:09 |
| balzac | I teased them, they tased me. | Mar 15 23:09 |
| schestowitz | balzac: at least they still let you into their repos | Mar 15 23:09 |
| balzac | Anyway, it was fun, and I look forward to more socializing with people from the #ubuntu crew | Mar 15 23:09 |
| MinceR | don't tase me bro! | Mar 15 23:10 |
| balzac | Roy, it's not like anyone can block anyone really | Mar 15 23:10 |
| balzac | they can block my nick | Mar 15 23:10 |
| schestowitz | The Giuliani Connection to the TASER Abuse Explosion < http://www.opednews.com/articles/... > | Mar 15 23:10 |
| Balrog_ | change it :P | Mar 15 23:10 |
| Balrog_ | change nick, name, and IP | Mar 15 23:10 |
| balzac | Unless they're going for full biometric-based security with iris-scans or finger prints, I can get in there. | Mar 15 23:10 |
| balzac | But I want to be welcome under my chosen username | Mar 15 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Tasers suffer design flaw, expert says < http://www.youtube.com/watc... > | Mar 15 23:11 |
| balzac | I don't want to be thought of as a troll | Mar 15 23:11 |
| balzac | Roy, so I was asking about freenode policies in #defocus | Mar 15 23:12 |
| balzac | I think freenode is pretty free, all things considered. But certain channels are suffering a bit too much from corporate influence. | Mar 15 23:12 |
| balzac | Your channel here is on the opposite end of the spectrum, where corporate criticism is free and un-restrained. | Mar 15 23:13 |
| balzac | I still want to start a free software project for camgirl websites | Mar 15 23:13 |
| balzac | I think it will be allowed if the freenode admins understand that I'm serious about it | Mar 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Dont_Tase_Me_Bro is a trollish nickname | Mar 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | When I saw it in Bn I thought it would be a troll. | Mar 15 23:15 |
| balzac | Roy, it was that, but it was also amusing | Mar 15 23:15 |
| balzac | I wasn't worried about being tased by you | Mar 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | balzac: libervis is also liberal | Mar 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | It's even anarchistic in naturer | Mar 15 23:15 |
| balzac | I was using the mibbit which I've configured from disruptech.com to use #boycottnovell as my free software chat | Mar 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | i c.... | Mar 15 23:16 |
| balzac | and I was using that as a proxy to get around my #ubuntu ban, so I ended up in here first | Mar 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Is there a newbuntu channel? | Mar 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Or another where you can talk to moderators? | Mar 15 23:17 |
| balzac | not sure | Mar 15 23:17 |
| balzac | I have to figure out irssi's channel listing functionality | Mar 15 23:17 |
| balzac | but i'm not in a hurry | Mar 15 23:17 |
| balzac | anyway, the #ubuntu_op guys were pretty displeased with the ban evasion | Mar 15 23:18 |
| balzac | I was not concerned | Mar 15 23:18 |
| balzac | if ever freenode is configured in such a way as to prevent ban-evasion, it will no longer be freenode | Mar 15 23:19 |
| balzac | what good is freedom if it isn't excercised | Mar 15 23:19 |
| balzac | anyway, it's not a serious problem, only a bit of amusement | Mar 15 23:20 |
| balzac | I think they'll get over it and I'll socialize my way back in | Mar 15 23:20 |
| Balrog_ | can't you do ban-evasion by changing name, nick, and IP? | Mar 15 23:24 |
| balzac | sure I can | Mar 15 23:25 |
| balzac | but I don't think I should have to | Mar 15 23:25 |
| balzac | I think they should drink more decaf | Mar 15 23:25 |
| balzac | and change the name of #ubuntu-offtopic to #ubuntu-social | Mar 15 23:25 |
| balzac | if the channel had a decent name, i never would have complained enough to get banned | Mar 15 23:26 |
| schestowitz | the chgannel name had recognition | Mar 15 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Quite trying to change it | Mar 15 23:28 |
| schestowitz | It would rightly upset them | Mar 15 23:28 |
| schestowitz | You can't just magically change names | Mar 15 23:28 |
| balzac | well, they can always point the old name to the new name | Mar 15 23:28 |
| balzac | I'm not trying magic, I'm making a rational argument | Mar 15 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I would change from boycottnovell to something else if Shane hadn't started with this domain and site title | Mar 15 23:29 |
| balzac | first you get scolded for chatting on the wrong subject in the support channel | Mar 15 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Oftopic is fine | Mar 15 23:29 |
| balzac | and lets face it, irc ops can be quite impatient with people | Mar 15 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Many forums and chats in site have "off topic" areas | Mar 15 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Social can be all sorts of things | Mar 15 23:30 |
| balzac | so then you get sent to a channel which has a name sounding like your conversation is considered unworthy | Mar 15 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Including main topic | Mar 15 23:30 |
| balzac | At the very least, people who don't immediately respond to the robo-cop demand for immediate compliance need not be swept unceremoniously away like a bit of trash on the sidewalk. | Mar 15 23:32 |
| balzac | It's the "open source" mentality of efficiency being the highest goal. It's not social. | Mar 15 23:32 |
| balzac | anyway, the problem is endemic on IRC, not a particular channel or network. | Mar 15 23:34 |
| balzac | it won't change any time soon, but count me among those who aren't attached to keeping the status quo | Mar 15 23:34 |
| schestowitz | hehe. Microsoft's Kumo Will Only Come with Minor Tweaks < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2... > I.e. new name, no change | Mar 15 23:34 |
| schestowitz | balzac: it's debatable | Mar 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | WATCH OUT, GOogle!! Microsoft might........ rename ... AGAIN... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic... (Microsoft considers new name for search: Kumo) | Mar 15 23:36 |
| schestowitz | MS tried the same strategy in embedded. Same crap, new name... didn't work | Mar 15 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Vista->Vista7 | Mar 15 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Wait and watch....... | Mar 15 23:36 |
| balzac | yp | Mar 15 23:37 |
| balzac | Roy, I hope you're thinking about what to do once Novell/Microsoft become irrelevant | Mar 15 23:38 |
| balzac | you've got a strong brand and a good readership | Mar 15 23:38 |
| balzac | maybe it's time for some co-branding to slip-stream a new brand alongside BN in order to transfer some of the brand recognition | Mar 15 23:39 |
| balzac | Perhaps a brand which can exist in a commercial context some day | Mar 15 23:40 |
| balzac | excuse the over-chatting. I'm using adderall today. | Mar 15 23:42 |
| MinceR | adderall? | Mar 15 23:42 |
| MinceR | oh. | Mar 15 23:42 |
| *MinceR looked it up on WP | Mar 15 23:43 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Impersonator Sends Fraudulent Letters, Disrupts Community "It turns out that there may be an impersonator lurking around disrupting Windows Mobile communities." http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=p... | Mar 15 23:45 |
| schestowitz | balzac: that makes sense,but Novell ain't going just yet | Mar 15 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Besides, people know BN is about more than Novell | Mar 15 23:46 |
| MinceR | "windows mobile communities"? what are those? | Mar 15 23:46 |
| schestowitz | In Google search they put in boycottnovell ot boycott novell like 1000 times/month | Mar 15 23:46 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: even then, after m$ and novell are gone, a new name might be in order :) | Mar 15 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Change=confusion and for technical reasons changing domain is parctically impossible | Mar 15 23:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I thought that too | Mar 15 23:47 |
| balzac | yeah, well maybe you can get another domain and begin to transfer some attention to it | Mar 15 23:48 |
| MinceR | then again, it could be a memento of dark times | Mar 15 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-ele... (icrosoft Launches Wave of Local Training, Certification Events) | Mar 15 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: didn't work for GrokDoc | Mar 15 23:48 |
| schestowitz | It hardly gets anyone visiting it | Mar 15 23:49 |
| schestowitz | or GrokLine... it it exists | Mar 15 23:49 |
| balzac | well, I'd go from BN >> schestowitz.com >> commercial endevour | Mar 15 23:49 |
| schestowitz | GrokQuote? | Mar 15 23:49 |
| schestowitz | balzac: no, too personal | Mar 15 23:49 |
| balzac | BN >> not for profit endevour >> associated corporation | Mar 15 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has been doing dirty s* in Malta and now this: Microsoft Malta inaugurates new office < http://www.independent.com.mt/n... > | Mar 15 23:50 |
| balzac | or get on some boards of existing companies, set up a consulting company | Mar 15 23:51 |
| schestowitz | balzac: you think just in terms of $$ | Mar 15 23:51 |
| balzac | lately, yes | Mar 15 23:51 |
| balzac | but not just | Mar 15 23:52 |
| _Hicham_ | roy : who doesnt think in terms of $$? | Mar 15 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Some people don;t | Mar 15 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Money voids trust | Mar 15 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Look at the corrupted media | Mar 15 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Companies like GE own it | Mar 15 23:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm not even a fan of getting mail from companies | Mar 15 23:52 |
| schestowitz | They just want to increase their $$ | Mar 15 23:53 |
| balzac | Roy, all you have to do to make it ethical is just announce you're shifting gears from industry watchdog to entrepreneur, then make appropriate disclosures. | Mar 15 23:54 |
| schestowitz | SHILL: Microsoft manager lists Bellevue home for $2.65M < http://seattle.blockshopper.com/news/... > | Mar 15 23:54 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: how is you phd work going? | Mar 15 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Being an arsehole pays off for Mr. bean | Mar 15 23:54 |
| Balrog_ | you seem to spend so much time on BM | Mar 15 23:54 |
| Balrog_ | BN* | Mar 15 23:54 |
| balzac | Someone who pays as much attention as you do to avoiding conflicts of interest and unethical business practices would probably be good to have in a company. | Mar 15 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archive... | Mar 15 23:56 |
| balzac | A GNU-branded company could not get far with your run-of-the-mill businessmen. They would cheapen the GNU brand like Miguel de Icaza cheapened the Gnome brand. | Mar 15 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Yuck. Caza Paza... | Mar 15 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Don't forget where he came from | Mar 15 23:56 |
| balzac | Don't judge him too harshly. He's just a guy who lacks vision. | Mar 15 23:57 |
| balzac | where? | Mar 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | It all started with him rying to get a JOB AT MICROSOFT | Mar 15 23:57 |
| Balrog_ | how has it gone since then? It's almost a year :O | Mar 15 23:57 |
| balzac | Right | Mar 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I finished already. The deadline is 3 months away, so I sit on it :-) | Mar 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Campus is good. | Mar 15 23:57 |
| Balrog_ | OK. So soon you'll be out of school, with a PhD, right? | Mar 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Mar 15 23:58 |
| balzac | Kos from dailykos.com started by seeking employment with the CIA. Then he turns out to be rather like a mole in the organized political blogging scene. | Mar 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I'll probably stick around, though | Mar 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | We'll see.. | Mar 15 23:58 |
| Balrog_ | good. Some trolls say otherwise :P | Mar 15 23:58 |
| balzac | Same with Miguel - a bit of a mole, dragging down the scene from the inside. | Mar 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: suspicious | Mar 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Google's Matt Cutts was also a spooke, IIRC | Mar 15 23:58 |
| Balrog_ | that should be :( | Mar 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Now he's the secret engine guy dropping PR | Mar 15 23:59 |
| balzac | That will be cool | Mar 15 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: what do trolls say? | Mar 15 23:59 |
| balzac | PhD are some nice letters to have after your name | Mar 15 23:59 |
| schestowitz | If you put them there. | Mar 15 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Most people I know don't | Mar 15 23:59 |
| schestowitz | It's patronising | Mar 15 23:59 |
| balzac | of course | Mar 15 23:59 |
