| schestowitz | All are close MS allies in India | Jan 14 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | Improvements welcome. I'm wriring quickly today. Lots to keep track of (+Comes texts) | Jan 14 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | Now a post about 7apourware | Jan 14 15:19 |
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| twitter | Cool story, it will have to go into the M$ death watch. | Jan 14 15:19 |
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| twitter | " NEWS from India is may change things very quickly." is may? | Jan 14 15:20 |
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| twitter | you might also explain what the "things" are in the first paragraph [I hate AP style too so note that I'm not asking for a single sentence paragraph explaining the whole story :)] | Jan 14 15:22 |
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| twitter | " it’s really just a needle in a haystack" I think you mean the tip of the iceberg. | Jan 14 15:24 |
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| trmanco | oh great | Jan 14 15:24 |
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| trmanco | I'm getting famous | Jan 14 15:24 |
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| trmanco | ... | Jan 14 15:24 |
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| moogstrap | or a needle in a stack of needles. In a needle factory | Jan 14 15:26 |
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| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu... | Jan 14 15:27 |
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| trmanco | X-no archive again | Jan 14 15:27 |
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| trmanco | sounds familiar | Jan 14 15:27 |
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| moogstrap | UK schools beg for cash hrmm? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... | Jan 14 15:28 |
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| twitter | Cool story, you pull together a lot of fraud and link it to GNU/Linux attacks. | Jan 14 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: may = not overstating the cas | Jan 14 15:29 |
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| twitter | As M$ runs out of money, it's partners in fraud are burnt first but M$ can't be far behind. Without those partners, M$ is powerless. | Jan 14 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | I means needle in a haystack | Jan 14 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | See the links there. | Jan 14 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | There's lots more to be found and I thought about tip of iceberg before I choose the needle phrase | Jan 14 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, they want to shut you up | Jan 14 15:30 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Jan 14 15:31 |
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| trmanco | yeah whatever | Jan 14 15:31 |
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| trmanco | ... | Jan 14 15:31 |
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| trmanco | I just got more motivated | Jan 14 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | I know.. | Jan 14 15:31 |
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| trmanco | I even got a dedicated thread | Jan 14 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | That's what had me started with exploration of MS fraud | Jan 14 15:31 |
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| trmanco | ... | Jan 14 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | The more they attack, the more research they beg for | Jan 14 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | "However, Knight didn’t reveal how much cash Microsoft was pumping into the initiative, which has been periodically wheeled out by the Department for Children, Schools and Families (DCSF) for the past 12 months, perhaps in part to help resuscitate Gordon Brown's premiership." | Jan 14 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | Gordon Brown.. | Jan 14 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | Mate of BillG | Jan 14 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | "The Microsoft-funded foundation will develop and implement a programme of training and support for teachers, parents, as well as to help create "awareness" for the Home Office programme, said Knight." | Jan 14 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | Smells like corruption | Jan 14 15:34 |
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| schestowitz | I'll write about it | Jan 14 15:34 |
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| moogstrap | it's nothing new. UK politics has sought comfort in big biz ever since the tycoons took over the industry here (and then liquidated the lot of them) | Jan 14 15:36 |
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| schestowitz | It's still corrupt | Jan 14 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | They are giving a franchise to a corrupt company | Jan 14 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | They are also passing authority to them... over children for example. | Jan 14 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | There is no tendering process. | Jan 14 15:40 |
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| trmanco | so much for windows 7 bloatware -> http://i.gizmodo.com/5129919/our... | Jan 14 15:41 |
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| schestowitz | I am posting about it now | Jan 14 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | It's in my compose windows :-) | Jan 14 15:42 |
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| trmanco | :D | Jan 14 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | *window | Jan 14 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post now. | Jan 14 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | help me find yucky bits. | Jan 14 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | It has rough edges: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/d... | Jan 14 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | Read it through, tell me what you think | Jan 14 15:43 |
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| mib_lq7wtp | GNU develops .NET: http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/ | Jan 14 15:47 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, look great | Jan 14 15:47 |
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| trmanco | looks* | Jan 14 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Jan 14 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | I guess it's short enough to be read | Jan 14 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | If it's too long, people don't read | Jan 14 15:48 |
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| moogstrap | I'm no writer. looks fine | Jan 14 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | hey, mib_lq7wtp | Jan 14 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | Are you "Chris"? | Jan 14 15:48 |
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| mib_lq7wtp | yes | Jan 14 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | What's up? | Jan 14 15:48 |
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| mib_lq7wtp | I was just wondering if you know http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/ ? | Jan 14 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, of course. | Jan 14 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | We wrote about it many times before | Jan 14 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | Mostly to explain how it related to Mono. | Jan 14 15:49 |
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| mib_lq7wtp | oh, I guess I missed it then. | Jan 14 15:49 |
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| twitter | oh my, down nearly 4% http://finance.google.com/finance | Jan 14 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | You can find lots of info in the archives | Jan 14 15:49 |
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| *mib_lq7wtp never heard of it. | Jan 14 15:49 |
| *schestowitz looks at market (FrausStreet) | Jan 14 15:49 |
| schestowitz | twitter: over 2000 people this month came to BN looking for 'ms layoffs' and related stuff (SE queries) | Jan 14 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | MS almost below $19 now | Jan 14 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | 19.06 | Jan 14 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Low: 19.03 | Jan 14 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | 52Wk Low: 17.50 | Jan 14 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | 52Wk High: 35.00 | Jan 14 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | That's half | Jan 14 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Despite about $60bn in buybacks over the past 2-3 years | Jan 14 15:52 |
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| twitter | updated the M$ Death Watch to include fraud news http://slashdot.org/~twit... | Jan 14 16:08 |
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| twitter | 01/14 - As M$'s money runs out, three major M$ outsourcing and GNU/Linux attack partners come under investigation for fraud. Failure is working it's way up the M$ "pawn" chain. First vendors and OEMs suffered, now software partner | Jan 14 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | First subsidiaries too | Jan 14 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | MS subdisiaries lay off staff | Jan 14 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | Then the permatemps | Jan 14 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | Then the full-timers | Jan 14 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | And that accounts not for VISAS! Which lead to the corruption sttories that involve Gates, his dad, and Abramoff, who is in prison now. | Jan 14 16:11 |
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| twitter | We'll see the full-timers soon. | Jan 14 16:19 |
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| twitter | I'm reading the last EDGI post. This made me laugh, " Introduce by using China as best practice example" | Jan 14 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | I have another one | Jan 14 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | I should probably wait until tomorrow though | Jan 14 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | China... they try the same to derail things in Russian schools | Jan 14 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about it last year | Jan 14 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | If something awry happens in Russia, it's because the crooks stepped in with a checkbook | Jan 14 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Ick! http://www.sxc.hu/photo/956324 | Jan 14 16:28 |
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| MinceR | http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lg... | Jan 14 16:29 |
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| schestowitz | Another antitrust exhibit shows Microsoft viciousness and tactics against GNU/Linux | Jan 14 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | :Have a look: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/no... | Jan 14 16:32 |
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| moogstrap | Damn Comes. it's a treasure trove | Jan 14 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 14 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Tell me about it | Jan 14 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | I could dedicate 10 years of my life to cover it | Jan 14 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | There's like 10 boxes of material in Caldera stuff too | Jan 14 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | As Lessig refers to his projects "The Next 10 Years" (it's a chorus) | Jan 14 16:50 |
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| moogstrap | i remember reading a chomsky piece one where he basically said, look, the information is out for anyone who wants to look. it's just that nobody ever does | Jan 14 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 14 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | I read and watch lots of his stuff | Jan 14 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | Selectivity makes a difference | Jan 14 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | The political agenda is better serves by letting old stuff be neglected and forgotten, then followed by revisionism. Vietnam war is just one example.. | Jan 14 16:53 |
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| moogstrap | i thought you did. I like his "back up every statement with oodles of references so that nobody can call bullshit" approach | Jan 14 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 14 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | But concision is an issue | Jan 14 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | That's why I put lots of stuff in BN | Jan 14 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | All with external refrences | Jan 14 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | So I can cites lots of supportive things quickly. | Jan 14 16:54 |
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| *schestowitz writes about BECTA scam (again) | Jan 14 16:54 |
| moogstrap | I have noticed that the comments on plenty of your articles, if the facts generally speak for themselves and are pretty unavoidable, then they get not a peep from detractors | Jan 14 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Nitpicking sometimes | Jan 14 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | I have a people here who help me out. ;-) | Jan 14 16:56 |
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| moogstrap | aye | Jan 14 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | Let me do the BECTA one | Jan 14 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | Tell me what you think... | Jan 14 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/u... there might be typos | Jan 14 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | Sony set to post first loss in 14 years < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/... > | Jan 14 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Optus fined $110,000 for spamming < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... > | Jan 14 17:03 |
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| moogstrap | Looks fine. I haven't found any other sources other than that register article, though, bubut it's still only a couple of hours old | Jan 14 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | I put the wrong PDf in | Jan 14 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | I'll fix the link | Jan 14 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | This is the right one: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl... | Jan 14 17:06 |
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| moogstrap | looks fixed now | Jan 14 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | I'm paranoid about typos | Jan 14 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | In BN anyway, because it's used to nitpick. | Jan 14 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | This argument between Jose and Alex seems almost as long as some books right now. I can't keep track of it.... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/11/ms-... | Jan 14 17:10 |
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| moogstrap | 162... hah | Jan 14 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | Jose is writing long comments | Jan 14 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | He defeats Alex with quantity, I think. | Jan 14 17:12 |
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| moogstrap | I see that | Jan 14 17:12 |
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| moogstrap | patents and copyright issues. Funny how it's come full circle. Now those are the things predominantly hindering creative works. | Jan 14 17:15 |
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| ushimitsudoki | schestowitz: you ever thought about adding a message board? | Jan 14 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | moogstrap: yes, almost no-one in FOSS world covers these | Jan 14 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw used to | Jan 14 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: I haven't thought about it | Jan 14 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Phoronix is the only site of this kind that has them aligned as message board... and LXer maybe. LinuxToday has a comments-style system. | Jan 14 17:17 |
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| ushimitsudoki | a few sites have a good blog/message board hybrid. maybe it's just me, but I think the blog comments are a bit awkward to debate on | Jan 14 17:17 |
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| ushimitsudoki | just a random thought | Jan 14 17:17 |
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| ushimitsudoki | ars is not too bad too | Jan 14 17:17 |
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| moogstrap | Imagine the shitstorms you'd have on those | Jan 14 17:17 |
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| moogstrap | just saying | Jan 14 17:18 |
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| ushimitsudoki | well you have have better moderation on a message board | Jan 14 17:18 |
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| ushimitsudoki | if that's your thing of course | Jan 14 17:18 |
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| moogstrap | I mean I'd expect a few suicide bombers to come and get themselves banned or something | Jan 14 17:19 |
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| ushimitsudoki | well we already had one today | Jan 14 17:19 |
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| ushimitsudoki | not banned | Jan 14 17:20 |
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| ushimitsudoki | but one-off troll bombs so to speak | Jan 14 17:20 |
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| moogstrap | so that they can post "BN censors free speech" all over the blogs] | Jan 14 17:20 |
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| twitter | comments on EDGI http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/ms-pre... | Jan 14 17:20 |
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| moogstrap | oh. dinner time. tah | Jan 14 17:21 |
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| twitter | Roy, that is an amazingly long thread to nowhere. Basically, it leaves the article untouched - the point, proved by M$ email, was that M$ is afraid of GNU/Linux and fighting as hard as they could. | Jan 14 17:29 |
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| twitter | I wonder what the hecklers think they are getting done. | Jan 14 17:30 |
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| twitter | Nortel is bankrupt http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news... | Jan 14 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Yay | Jan 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | I don't like them | Jan 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | They empowered Micfrosoft | Jan 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | In fact, go to youyube.. | Jan 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Search for Ballmer's video and see how he welcomes Nortel to join the Vole | Jan 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Nortel spoke about moving to desktop Linux in early 2007 | Jan 14 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: remember that thing about Blankenhorn and open source as failing strategy? | Jan 14 17:35 |
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| ushimitsudoki | yes | Jan 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Make a list of companies that cling on to MS as a last resort | Jan 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Palm sort of counts | Jan 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Now it's likely to be reborn with Linux | Jan 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Windows Mobile had it shrink by who knows how many times. | Jan 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | Novell could be the next Norte | Jan 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | *Nortel | Jan 14 17:36 |
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| ushimitsudoki | yeah i didn't get any response when i asked for examples - I think he's just pulling stuff out his butt | Jan 14 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | It was already close to death, AFAIK, in 2006 | Jan 14 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | It went to the bank and all | Jan 14 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | But I must put supportive refs here | Jan 14 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Which I did before | Jan 14 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Here's the story: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22... | Jan 14 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | More here (also on Novell fraud): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/30/... (I have many more, mostly they are interlinked though) | Jan 14 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/st... "glynmoody: UK government outsources education IT to Microsoft - well, effectively http://is.gd/fRzA-" | Jan 14 17:39 |
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| twitter | so much for BECTA warnings against Vista and Office. | Jan 14 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | UK Libel Laws Busted < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archive... > Woohoo! | Jan 14 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | BECTA is corrupt | Jan 14 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the links there. | Jan 14 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | It's run by Microsoft lackeys | Jan 14 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | They only say some other things about FOSS and MS abuse because they are at danger.. in a Democratic society, I think they would risk time in jail | Jan 14 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | "We have comprehensively blown wide apart the UK's infamously repressive libel laws. Up until now, these have routinely been used not to prevent untruth, but to hide truth on behalf of the ultra-rich. In so doing they have spawned a whole universe of massively wealthy lawyers devoid of any moral values, dedicated only to the service and pursuit of money." | Jan 14 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | "The leeches at Schillings appeared to have scored a routine victory on behalf of their client, notorious mercenary commander Tim Spicer, who has made a fortune from the war in Iraq. They threatened my publisher, Mainstream, with highly expensive legal action and Mainstream dropped my book." | Jan 14 17:42 |
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| twitter | Congratulations on the death of bad libel laws. | Jan 14 17:42 |
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| twitter | Too bad about BECTA. They were talking about free software for a while and it looked encouraging. | Jan 14 17:43 |
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| twitter | ah ha, you have been there http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/01/b... | Jan 14 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | Google’s Real Fight in China < http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-01... > | Jan 14 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | BECTA needs to be tossed, just like the FCC | Jan 14 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's too dirty from the inside out | Jan 14 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | You can't reform Microsoft, either. | Jan 14 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Or the US government for that matter | Jan 14 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | To invade other countries for oil is to do exactly what some other countries did for the interests and benefit of their citizens (at the expense of foreign children's lives). | Jan 14 17:45 |
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| twitter | M$ seemed to have literally re formed BECTA in it's own image by stuffing their board. All of the things I'd referenced by them came from before that early 2008 stuffing and agenda change. | Jan 14 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know | Jan 14 17:46 |
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| twitter | Your recent news is good proof that they did their work. It's an outrage that goes against their previous, well researched studies. | Jan 14 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Mark Kent and I looked at the board about 2 months ago | Jan 14 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Only a few of them seem like MS lackeys | Jan 14 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | The head is insulting FOSS | Jan 14 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | These people were indoctrinated by Microsoft | Jan 14 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | "If it's not Microsoft, then it's not good" | Jan 14 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | I have a good one about EDGI coming | Jan 14 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | India scam | Jan 14 17:47 |
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| twitter | Here they are saying to avoid Vista http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid... | Jan 14 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Our readers from India would love it. | Jan 14 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | But I need to pace it down | Jan 14 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | I lost track of news | Jan 14 17:48 |
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| twitter | use free software http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=... | Jan 14 17:48 |
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| twitter | and again to avoid Vista and office http://slashdot.org/~twitter... | Jan 14 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Ha! | Jan 14 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Follow the link on that latter one | Jan 14 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | "404 - Page Not Found" | Jan 14 17:49 |
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| twitter | I wonder if the new board has stuffed the old reports. - you beat me to looking. | Jan 14 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | Who knows.. | Jan 14 17:49 |
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| twitter | oh no, the old report seems to be there. http://publications.becta.org.uk/dow... | Jan 14 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Is that the "here, leave us alone" report? | Jan 14 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | "This document restricts what can be done with it" | Jan 14 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Adobe says so | Jan 14 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Great. | Jan 14 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | ClosedDocument | Jan 14 17:52 |
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| twitter | what? I don't see any restrictions. | Jan 14 17:52 |
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| twitter | kpdf must ignore them | Jan 14 17:52 |
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| twitter | I wonder if "print to pdf" will remove the restrictions. | Jan 14 17:53 |
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| twitter | from the report, "we advise that upgrading existing ICT systems to Vista is not recommended and that mixed Windows-based operating-system environments should be avoided" | Jan 14 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 14 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | I used the proprietary reader | Jan 14 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | To see what geenrated it | Jan 14 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they use some of their buddies s/w | Jan 14 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | Not Adobe | Jan 14 17:54 |
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| schestowitz | KPDF does not do text selection the last time I tried | Jan 14 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | Evince is good, I have it installed, but I can't rememeber why I don't typically use it. | Jan 14 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | I make this compromise so that I can expose corruption | Jan 14 17:55 |
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| vida18 | Trolltech changes Qt's license | Jan 14 17:55 |
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| vida18 | http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lg... | Jan 14 17:55 |
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| twitter | text selection is fixed. embedded kpdf is so much better than Adobe, but I like that you keep a copy of Adobe to see what non free software users do. | Jan 14 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | vida18: that's brilliant | Jan 14 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | I'm read that now | Jan 14 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2... | Jan 14 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | "As of version 4.5.0, Qt will be released under the LGPL version 2.1. Jaw off the floor yet? Good." | Jan 14 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | The KDE/Qt news is big and it ought to be added that amid economic slump there is hardly ANY news, let alone good news | Jan 14 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | Not just for FOSS.... Microsoft has not launches anything of substance for two years | Jan 14 17:57 |
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| twitter | I can see now how the last BECTA report was swinging towards M$. They recommended continued use of binary Office formats and thought that Vista was "stable" in a pilot. | Jan 14 17:57 |
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| vida18 | Why Qt's license is LGPL v2.1 and not LGPL v3 ? | Jan 14 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | *launches. It keeps burying existing products like Book Search and kills divisions like Ensemble Studios | Jan 14 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | vida18: i wondered the same thing | Jan 14 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia loves DRM | Jan 14 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: "Stable" by whose standards? | Jan 14 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | What does stable mean without relativity? | Jan 14 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | anivar: I have some news | Jan 14 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | Apart from the post about India, I have some re: patents | Jan 14 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | I also have an EDGI smoking gun re: India | Jan 14 17:58 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: hi | Jan 14 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | have a look... I'll upload it ahead | Jan 14 17:59 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: will look | Jan 14 17:59 |
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| anivar | btw see this http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/freedom-walk | Jan 14 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte... | Jan 14 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | Uploaded just now. Let me know what you think. | Jan 14 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | Cause I'll write about it tomorrow maybe. | Jan 14 17:59 |
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| twitter | GPL to LGPL is bad news. I'm sorry to see it. | Jan 14 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | I thought the same thing, but KDE is happy | Jan 14 18:00 |
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| twitter | Especially when it's coupled with GPL FUD like it was. http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/new... | Jan 14 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | Where's the FUD? | Jan 14 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | "The move to LGPL licensing will provide open source and commercial developers with more permissive licensing than GPL and so increase flexibility for developers." | Jan 14 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | Blech | Jan 14 18:01 |
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| twitter | Right. Commercial developers have been happy with GPL for years. | Jan 14 18:02 |
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| twitter | Who at KDE is happy about this? | Jan 14 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://dot.kde.org/1231920504/ | Jan 14 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | "All-in-all today's news means tremendous things for Free and Open Source software. The possibility of extending the reach of all of our work is exciting in and of itself, and this announcement could lead to a veritable explosion of Qt and KDE adoption." | Jan 14 18:04 |
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| twitter | I see one guy, who is happy that Nokia is not throwing QT away and who expects more commercial exploitation for some reason. | Jan 14 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they just suck up to Nokia and the Trolls(tech) | Jan 14 18:05 |
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| twitter | *looking at the dot | Jan 14 18:05 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: see this link from 2003 | Jan 14 18:06 |
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| anivar | http://www.hinduonnet.com/2003/05/14/s... | Jan 14 18:06 |
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| twitter | It's got a different author but identical text | Jan 14 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | "Sling Media, maker of the Slingbox family of TV-on-your-notebook devices, has lost its top, with five executives departing from the company." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/1... | Jan 14 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | anivar: thanks, looking | Jan 14 18:07 |
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| anivar | Rajeev Kaul was Microsoft India Managing Director at that time | Jan 14 18:07 |
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| twitter | from the dot, " The simple fact behind this is that Nokia is less reliant on the income from Qt licensing than Trolltec (now Qt Software) was, and this has given Qt Software more room to approach the market with more permissive licensing strategies in order to increase adoption of the Qt toolkit " from Seigo, " The simple fact of the matter is that Nokia is not nearly as reliant on the income from Qt licensing as Trolltech | Jan 14 18:08 |
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| twitter | smells like talking points to me. | Jan 14 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | anivar: good find. I'll use it. | Jan 14 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | Check what Glyn Moody wrote | Jan 14 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't got there yet, but he twitted about planning to write about it. Maybe ComputerWorld UK or Linux Journal | Jan 14 18:10 |
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| twitter | both of them also use the phrase "lead to a veritable explosion of Qt and KDE adoption" to finish off the articles. | Jan 14 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/13/n... "Sales down 40 to 50 per cent" | Jan 14 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | Whoa! Sales down by HALF. | Jan 14 18:11 |
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| twitter | ouch | Jan 14 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | Does Vista require much GPU powa? | Jan 14 18:11 |
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| twitter | they better make friendly with free software. | Jan 14 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | SCO.. SCO auctions Unix and mobile assets to continue fight < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/13/... > | Jan 14 18:12 |
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| twitter | Ask Guttman | Jan 14 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia? Free software? Never! | Jan 14 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | Ask MinceR | Jan 14 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | Weird... Fake plane death businessman cuffed in Florida < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01... > | Jan 14 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | Will this detect Bush? http://www.medilexicon.com/medicalne... | Jan 14 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | kentma: Nortel files Chapter 11 | Jan 14 18:15 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I don't think there's a problem in the QT move. They were offering it dual-licensed before. It's still available in GPLv3. LGPL just makes it easier on those people that wouldn't have chosen GPL anyway - people who were chosing the commercial licensing | Jan 14 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, that's what I thought too | Jan 14 18:15 |
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| ushimitsudoki | I don't see the downside there, unless you think they should do away with the dual-licensing model in general | Jan 14 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | I want to see what Moody writes | Jan 14 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | At least they didn't choose BSD | Jan 14 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Just befiore getting bought, the Trolls said it would go BSD in the worst of circumstances. | Jan 14 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | They said this in the KDE summit in Google... the CEO said this and then flew home... probably to negotiate with Nokia in Finland/Norway | Jan 14 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Global CIO: Satyam Scandal Isn't The End Of Indian Outsourcing < http://www.informationweek.com/news/management/ou... > | Jan 14 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | India can support its own software | Jan 14 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | It doesn't need failed states giving it chores... that's colonialism | Jan 14 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | anivar: can you extract the text from the doc I sent you? | Jan 14 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's already OCRed, but there are typos | Jan 14 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | Text with typos here: | Jan 14 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddf | Jan 14 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | vs original: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u... | Jan 14 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | Can anyone help please? | Jan 14 18:20 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: I will give you some news clips from 2000 & 2001 related to Microsofts involvement in IT@school Project . Microsoft was succeeded in becoming a partner in this project by 2000 And later become a part of Microsoft -Intel Collaboration Project (when Left Parties were in Power) called Project shiksha(means teaching)and Implemented in Kerala & west bengal (another CPIM ruled state) see the link i gave earlier. But State wide campaign b | Jan 14 18:23 |
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| anivar | y Free software Community and Kerala school Teachers association(KSTA) succeeded in Changing it top GNU/Linux . | Jan 14 18:23 |
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| anivar | The following links substantiate our chronology (with relevant excerpts): | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | http://www.hinduonnet.com/2000/09/20/... | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | September 20, 2000 | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | Mr. Joseph said the Government had entered into an agreement with Microsoft for a project to introduce computer and IT-enabled education covering all the schools in the State. The first phase would cover all the 2,500 high schools. In the subsequent stages, all the 60 lakh students from Class I to Class X would be covered, he said. | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | The Minister said Microsoft had already trained 1,000 teachers in the first phase. He said the Government had set up a State Institute of Educational Training to undertake creation of computer-based educational tools, study materials and teaching aids. | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | http://www.rediff.com/money/2001/oct/06school.htm | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | October 6, 2001 | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | The previous education minister, P J Joseph, had launched his pet IT@School programme about a year ago. He had envisaged a major role for the information technology heavyweights Microsoft and Intel in enabling around six million school children to be computer literate by 2010. | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | http://ia.rediff.com/money/2001/mar... | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | March 12, 2001 | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | Similarly, we are working very closely with C-DAC and ER&DC, Trivandrum on local language development. In education, we have launched a major project entitled 'IT@School', which basically aims to introduce IT-facilitated education in about 1000 schools in the State. A number of agencies including Microsoft, Intel and Schoolnet are involved in this project for teacher training and content development. | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| anivar | There is still more news. Although I could not find an indiainfo.com news announcing Intel's entry | Jan 14 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | What's the link for that last one? | Jan 14 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | [the last quote] | Jan 14 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Could you fix the text in http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddf according to http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploa... ? I can post it today | Jan 14 18:26 |
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| anivar | schestowitz: pardon? | Jan 14 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | See http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddf | Jan 14 18:27 |
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| anivar | ok | Jan 14 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | The OCE is not accurate | Jan 14 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | *OCR | Jan 14 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | I can start preparing a post | Jan 14 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | The links are excellent thank you. | Jan 14 18:29 |
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| anivar | se this too from 2003. Microsoft announced to invest 100 Crore In Project Shiksha http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/jan/18gim3.htm | Jan 14 18:30 |
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| anivar | It is from Global Investors meet | Jan 14 18:30 |
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| anivar | Kerala | Jan 14 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | The monopolists join forces to ruin education some more: Microsoft, Cisco and Intel Fund Learning-assessment Project < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157027/micros... > | Jan 14 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | Nebraska State Senators Get Outfitted With MacBook Airs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157023/nebraska_sta... > | Jan 14 18:31 |
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| twitter | I'd like to help with the OCR'd text, but I've got a few things to do this afternoon. Catch you later. | Jan 14 18:31 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: actually now i have some hope for nokia | Jan 14 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Oracle to lay off 8000 | Jan 14 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Damage control: Huge Oracle Layoff Won't Be the Last < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157035/or... > | Jan 14 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | MS turn could be tomorrow | Jan 14 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | 15k? | Jan 14 18:32 |
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| MinceR | their current move doesn't only make qt more useful, but also is a commitment to not try to kill it | Jan 14 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I think anivar already ddoes this | Jan 14 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | mib_lq7wtp: good stuff! | Jan 14 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | Oops @ MinceR \ | Jan 14 18:33 |
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| *anivar on OCRed text | Jan 14 18:33 |
| schestowitz | oracle's staff= MS, roughly... | Jan 14 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | IBM... 380k or so..? | Jan 14 18:34 |
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| MinceR | (though it isn't final, we'll have to wait until qt 4.5) | Jan 14 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | Samsung.. 700k? | Jan 14 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | anivar: thank you so much | Jan 14 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | It'll be good future refs to how MS operates in India | Jan 14 18:34 |
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