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schestowitzAll are close MS allies in IndiaJan 14 15:18
schestowitzImprovements welcome. I'm wriring quickly today. Lots to keep track of (+Comes texts)Jan 14 15:19
schestowitzNow a post about 7apourwareJan 14 15:19
twitterCool story, it will have to go into the M$ death watch.Jan 14 15:19
twitter"  NEWS from India is may change things very quickly."  is may?Jan 14 15:20
twitteryou might also explain what the "things" are in the first paragraph [I hate AP style too so note that I'm not asking for a single sentence paragraph explaining the whole story :)]Jan 14 15:22
twitter" it’s really just a needle in a haystack"  I think you mean the tip of the iceberg.Jan 14 15:24
trmancooh greatJan 14 15:24
trmancoI'm getting famousJan 14 15:24
trmanco...Jan 14 15:24
moogstrapor a needle in a stack of needles. In a needle factoryJan 14 15:26
trmancohttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu...Jan 14 15:27
trmancoX-no archive againJan 14 15:27
trmancosounds familiarJan 14 15:27
moogstrapUK schools beg for cash hrmm? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/...Jan 14 15:28
twitterCool story, you pull together a lot of fraud and link it to GNU/Linux attacks.Jan 14 15:28
schestowitztwitter: may = not overstating the casJan 14 15:29
twitterAs M$ runs out of money, it's partners in fraud are burnt first but M$ can't be far behind.  Without those partners, M$ is powerless.Jan 14 15:29
schestowitzI means needle in a haystackJan 14 15:29
schestowitzSee the links there.Jan 14 15:29
schestowitzThere's lots more to be found and I thought about tip of iceberg before I choose the needle phraseJan 14 15:30
schestowitztrmanco: yes, they want to shut you upJan 14 15:30
trmancoLOLJan 14 15:31
trmancoyeah whateverJan 14 15:31
trmanco...Jan 14 15:31
trmancoI just got more motivatedJan 14 15:31
schestowitzI know..Jan 14 15:31
trmancoI even got a dedicated threadJan 14 15:31
schestowitzThat's what had me started with exploration of MS fraudJan 14 15:31
trmanco...Jan 14 15:31
schestowitzThe more they attack, the more research they beg forJan 14 15:31
schestowitz"However, Knight didn’t reveal how much cash Microsoft was pumping into the initiative, which has been periodically wheeled out by the Department for Children, Schools and Families (DCSF) for the past 12 months, perhaps in part to help resuscitate Gordon Brown's premiership."Jan 14 15:32
schestowitzGordon Brown..Jan 14 15:32
schestowitzMate of BillGJan 14 15:32
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schestowitz"The Microsoft-funded foundation will develop and implement a programme of training and support for teachers, parents, as well as to help create "awareness" for the Home Office programme, said Knight."Jan 14 15:34
schestowitzSmells like corruptionJan 14 15:34
schestowitzI'll write about itJan 14 15:34
moogstrapit's nothing new. UK politics has sought comfort in big biz ever since the tycoons took over the industry here (and then liquidated the lot of them)Jan 14 15:36
schestowitzIt's still corruptJan 14 15:40
schestowitzThey are giving a franchise to a corrupt companyJan 14 15:40
schestowitzThey are also passing authority to them... over children for example.Jan 14 15:40
schestowitzThere is no tendering process.Jan 14 15:40
trmancoso much for windows 7 bloatware -> http://i.gizmodo.com/5129919/our...Jan 14 15:41
schestowitzI am posting about it nowJan 14 15:42
schestowitzIt's in my compose windows :-)Jan 14 15:42
trmanco:DJan 14 15:42
schestowitz*windowJan 14 15:42
schestowitzI'll post now.Jan 14 15:42
schestowitzhelp me find yucky bits.Jan 14 15:42
schestowitzIt has rough edges: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/d...Jan 14 15:43
schestowitzRead it through, tell me what you thinkJan 14 15:43
mib_lq7wtpGNU develops .NET: http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/Jan 14 15:47
trmancoschestowitz, look greatJan 14 15:47
trmancolooks*Jan 14 15:47
schestowitzThanks.Jan 14 15:47
schestowitzI guess it's short enough to be readJan 14 15:48
schestowitzIf it's too long, people don't readJan 14 15:48
moogstrapI'm no writer. looks fineJan 14 15:48
schestowitzhey, mib_lq7wtp Jan 14 15:48
schestowitzAre you "Chris"?Jan 14 15:48
mib_lq7wtpyesJan 14 15:48
schestowitzWhat's up?Jan 14 15:48
mib_lq7wtpI was just wondering if you know http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/ ?Jan 14 15:48
schestowitzYes, of course.Jan 14 15:49
schestowitzWe wrote about it many times beforeJan 14 15:49
schestowitzMostly to explain how it related to Mono.Jan 14 15:49
mib_lq7wtpoh, I guess I missed it then.Jan 14 15:49
twitteroh my, down nearly 4% http://finance.google.com/financeJan 14 15:49
schestowitzYou can find lots of info in the archivesJan 14 15:49
*mib_lq7wtp never heard of it.Jan 14 15:49
*schestowitz looks at market (FrausStreet)Jan 14 15:49
schestowitztwitter: over 2000 people this month came to BN looking for 'ms layoffs' and related stuff (SE queries)Jan 14 15:50
schestowitzMS almost below $19 nowJan 14 15:51
schestowitz19.06Jan 14 15:51
schestowitzLow: 19.03  Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz52Wk Low: 17.50Jan 14 15:51
schestowitz52Wk High: 35.00Jan 14 15:51
schestowitzThat's halfJan 14 15:51
schestowitzDespite about $60bn in buybacks over the past 2-3 yearsJan 14 15:52
twitterupdated the M$ Death Watch to include fraud news http://slashdot.org/~twit...Jan 14 16:08
twitter 01/14 - As M$'s money runs out, three major M$ outsourcing and GNU/Linux attack partners come under investigation for fraud.  Failure is working it's way up the M$ "pawn" chain.  First vendors and OEMs suffered, now software partnerJan 14 16:08
schestowitzFirst subsidiaries tooJan 14 16:10
schestowitzMS subdisiaries lay off staffJan 14 16:10
schestowitzThen the permatempsJan 14 16:10
schestowitzThen the full-timersJan 14 16:10
schestowitzAnd that accounts not for VISAS! Which lead to the corruption sttories that involve Gates, his dad, and Abramoff, who is in prison now.Jan 14 16:11
twitterWe'll see the full-timers soon.Jan 14 16:19
twitterI'm reading the last EDGI post.  This made me laugh, " Introduce by using China as best practice example"Jan 14 16:19
schestowitzI have another oneJan 14 16:20
schestowitzI should probably wait until tomorrow thoughJan 14 16:20
schestowitzChina... they try the same to derail things in Russian schoolsJan 14 16:20
schestowitzI wrote about it last yearJan 14 16:20
schestowitzIf something awry happens in Russia, it's because the crooks stepped in with a checkbookJan 14 16:21
schestowitzIck! http://www.sxc.hu/photo/956324Jan 14 16:28
MinceRhttp://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lg...Jan 14 16:29
schestowitzAnother antitrust exhibit shows Microsoft viciousness and tactics against GNU/LinuxJan 14 16:32
schestowitz:Have a look: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/no...Jan 14 16:32
moogstrapDamn Comes. it's a treasure troveJan 14 16:43
schestowitzYesJan 14 16:49
schestowitzTell me about itJan 14 16:49
schestowitzI could dedicate 10 years of my life to cover itJan 14 16:49
schestowitzThere's like 10 boxes of material in Caldera stuff tooJan 14 16:50
schestowitzAs Lessig refers to his projects "The Next 10 Years" (it's a chorus)Jan 14 16:50
moogstrapi remember reading a chomsky piece one where he basically said, look, the information is out for anyone who wants to look. it's just that nobody ever doesJan 14 16:52
schestowitzYesJan 14 16:52
schestowitzI read and watch lots of his stuffJan 14 16:52
schestowitzSelectivity makes a differenceJan 14 16:52
schestowitzThe political agenda is better serves by letting old stuff be neglected and forgotten, then followed by revisionism. Vietnam war is just one example..Jan 14 16:53
moogstrapi thought you did. I like his "back up every statement with oodles of references so that nobody can call bullshit" approachJan 14 16:53
schestowitzYesJan 14 16:54
schestowitzBut concision is an issueJan 14 16:54
schestowitzThat's why I put lots of stuff in BNJan 14 16:54
schestowitzAll with external refrencesJan 14 16:54
schestowitzSo I can cites lots of supportive things quickly.Jan 14 16:54
*schestowitz writes about BECTA scam (again)Jan 14 16:54
moogstrapI have noticed that the comments on plenty of your articles, if the facts generally speak for themselves and are pretty unavoidable, then they get not a peep from detractorsJan 14 16:55
schestowitzNitpicking sometimesJan 14 16:56
schestowitzI have a people here who help me out. ;-)Jan 14 16:56
moogstrapayeJan 14 16:58
schestowitzLet me do the BECTA oneJan 14 16:59
schestowitzTell me what you think...Jan 14 16:59
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/u... there might be typosJan 14 17:00
schestowitz Sony set to post first loss in 14 years < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/... >Jan 14 17:03
schestowitz Optus fined $110,000 for spamming < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... >Jan 14 17:03
moogstrapLooks fine. I haven't found any other sources other than that register article, though, bubut it's still only a couple of hours oldJan 14 17:05
schestowitzI put the wrong PDf inJan 14 17:05
schestowitzI'll fix the linkJan 14 17:05
schestowitzThis is the right one: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl...Jan 14 17:06
moogstraplooks fixed nowJan 14 17:07
schestowitzI'm paranoid about typosJan 14 17:09
schestowitzIn BN anyway, because it's used to nitpick.Jan 14 17:09
schestowitzThis argument between Jose and Alex seems almost as long as some books right now. I can't keep track of it.... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/11/ms-...Jan 14 17:10
moogstrap162... hahJan 14 17:11
schestowitzJose is writing long commentsJan 14 17:11
schestowitzHe defeats Alex with quantity, I think.Jan 14 17:12
moogstrapI see thatJan 14 17:12
moogstrappatents and copyright issues. Funny how it's come full circle. Now those are the things predominantly hindering creative works.Jan 14 17:15
ushimitsudokischestowitz: you ever thought about adding a message board?Jan 14 17:16
schestowitzmoogstrap: yes, almost no-one in FOSS world covers theseJan 14 17:16
schestowitzGroklaw used toJan 14 17:16
schestowitzushimitsudoki: I haven't thought about itJan 14 17:16
schestowitzPhoronix is the only site of this kind that has them aligned as message board... and LXer maybe. LinuxToday has a comments-style system.Jan 14 17:17
ushimitsudokia few sites have a good blog/message board hybrid. maybe it's just me, but I think the blog comments are a bit awkward to debate onJan 14 17:17
ushimitsudokijust a random thoughtJan 14 17:17
ushimitsudokiars is not too bad tooJan 14 17:17
moogstrapImagine the shitstorms you'd have on thoseJan 14 17:17
moogstrapjust sayingJan 14 17:18
ushimitsudokiwell you have have better moderation on a message boardJan 14 17:18
ushimitsudokiif that's your thing of courseJan 14 17:18
moogstrapI mean I'd expect a few suicide bombers to come and get themselves banned or somethingJan 14 17:19
ushimitsudokiwell we already had one todayJan 14 17:19
ushimitsudokinot bannedJan 14 17:20
ushimitsudokibut one-off troll bombs so to speakJan 14 17:20
moogstrapso that they can post "BN censors free speech" all over the blogs]Jan 14 17:20
twittercomments on EDGI http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/14/ms-pre...Jan 14 17:20
moogstrapoh. dinner time. tahJan 14 17:21
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twitterRoy, that is an amazingly long thread to nowhere.  Basically, it leaves the article untouched - the point, proved by M$ email, was that M$ is afraid of GNU/Linux and fighting as hard as they could.Jan 14 17:29
twitterI wonder what the hecklers think they are getting done.Jan 14 17:30
twitterNortel is bankrupt http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news...Jan 14 17:31
schestowitzYayJan 14 17:34
schestowitzI don't like themJan 14 17:34
schestowitzThey empowered MicfrosoftJan 14 17:34
schestowitzIn fact, go to youyube..Jan 14 17:34
schestowitzSearch for Ballmer's video and see how he welcomes Nortel to join the VoleJan 14 17:34
schestowitzNortel spoke about moving to desktop Linux in early 2007Jan 14 17:34
schestowitzushimitsudoki: remember that thing about Blankenhorn and open source as failing strategy?Jan 14 17:35
ushimitsudokiyesJan 14 17:36
schestowitzMake a list of companies that cling on to MS as a last resortJan 14 17:36
schestowitzPalm sort of countsJan 14 17:36
schestowitzNow it's likely to be reborn with LinuxJan 14 17:36
schestowitzWindows Mobile had it shrink by who knows how many times.Jan 14 17:36
schestowitzNovell could be the next NorteJan 14 17:36
schestowitz*NortelJan 14 17:36
ushimitsudokiyeah i didn't get any response when i asked for examples - I think he's just pulling stuff out his buttJan 14 17:36
schestowitzIt was already close to death, AFAIK, in 2006Jan 14 17:37
schestowitzIt went to the bank and allJan 14 17:37
schestowitzBut I must put supportive refs hereJan 14 17:37
schestowitzWhich I did beforeJan 14 17:37
schestowitzHere's the story: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/22...Jan 14 17:37
schestowitzMore here (also on Novell fraud): http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/30/... (I have many more, mostly they are interlinked though)Jan 14 17:38
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/glynmoody/st... "glynmoody: UK government outsources education IT to Microsoft - well, effectively http://is.gd/fRzA-"Jan 14 17:39
twitterso much for BECTA warnings against Vista and Office.Jan 14 17:40
schestowitzUK Libel Laws Busted < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archive... > Woohoo!Jan 14 17:40
schestowitzBECTA is corruptJan 14 17:40
schestowitzWatch the links there.Jan 14 17:40
schestowitzIt's run by Microsoft lackeysJan 14 17:40
schestowitzThey only say some other things about FOSS and MS abuse because they are at danger.. in a Democratic society, I think they would risk time in jailJan 14 17:41
schestowitz"We have comprehensively blown wide apart the UK's infamously repressive libel laws. Up until now, these have routinely been used not to prevent untruth, but to hide truth on behalf of the ultra-rich. In so doing they have spawned a whole universe of massively wealthy lawyers devoid of any moral values, dedicated only to the service and pursuit of money."Jan 14 17:41
schestowitz"The leeches at Schillings appeared to have scored a routine victory on behalf of their client, notorious mercenary commander Tim Spicer, who has made a fortune from the war in Iraq. They threatened my publisher, Mainstream, with highly expensive legal action and Mainstream dropped my book."Jan 14 17:42
twitterCongratulations on the death of bad libel laws.Jan 14 17:42
twitterToo bad about BECTA.  They were talking about free software for a while and it looked encouraging.Jan 14 17:43
twitterah ha, you have been there http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/01/b...Jan 14 17:43
schestowitzGoogle’s Real Fight in China < http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2009-01... >Jan 14 17:43
schestowitzBECTA needs to be tossed, just like the FCCJan 14 17:44
schestowitzIt's too dirty from the inside outJan 14 17:44
schestowitzYou can't reform Microsoft, either.Jan 14 17:44
schestowitzOr the US government for that matterJan 14 17:44
schestowitzTo invade other countries for oil is to do exactly what some other countries did for the interests and benefit of their citizens (at the expense of foreign children's lives).Jan 14 17:45
twitterM$ seemed to have literally re formed BECTA in it's own image by stuffing their board.  All of the things I'd referenced by them came from before that early 2008 stuffing and agenda change.Jan 14 17:46
schestowitzI don't knowJan 14 17:46
twitterYour recent news is good proof that they did their work.  It's an outrage that goes against their previous, well researched studies.Jan 14 17:46
schestowitzMark Kent and I looked at the board about 2 months agoJan 14 17:46
schestowitzOnly a few of them seem like MS lackeysJan 14 17:47
schestowitzThe head is insulting FOSSJan 14 17:47
schestowitzThese people were indoctrinated by MicrosoftJan 14 17:47
schestowitz"If it's not Microsoft, then it's not good"Jan 14 17:47
schestowitzI have a good one about EDGI comingJan 14 17:47
schestowitzIndia scamJan 14 17:47
twitterHere they are saying to avoid Vista http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid...Jan 14 17:47
schestowitzOur readers from India would love it.Jan 14 17:47
schestowitzBut I need to pace it downJan 14 17:48
schestowitzI lost track of newsJan 14 17:48
twitteruse free software http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=...Jan 14 17:48
twitterand again to avoid Vista and office http://slashdot.org/~twitter...Jan 14 17:48
schestowitzHa!Jan 14 17:48
schestowitzFollow the link on that latter oneJan 14 17:48
schestowitz"404 - Page Not Found"Jan 14 17:49
twitterI wonder if the new board has stuffed the old reports. - you beat me to looking.Jan 14 17:49
schestowitzWho knows..Jan 14 17:49
twitteroh no, the old report seems to be there. http://publications.becta.org.uk/dow...Jan 14 17:50
schestowitzIs that the "here, leave us alone" report?Jan 14 17:50
schestowitz"This document restricts what can be done with it"Jan 14 17:52
schestowitzAdobe says soJan 14 17:52
schestowitzGreat.Jan 14 17:52
schestowitzClosedDocumentJan 14 17:52
twitterwhat?  I don't see any restrictions.Jan 14 17:52
twitterkpdf must ignore themJan 14 17:52
twitterI wonder if "print to pdf" will remove the restrictions.Jan 14 17:53
twitterfrom the report, "we advise that upgrading existing ICT systems to Vista is not recommended and that mixed Windows-based operating-system environments should be avoided"Jan 14 17:53
schestowitzYesJan 14 17:54
schestowitzI used the proprietary readerJan 14 17:54
schestowitzTo see what geenrated itJan 14 17:54
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schestowitzMaybe they use some of their buddies s/wJan 14 17:54
schestowitzNot AdobeJan 14 17:54
schestowitzKPDF does not do text selection the last time I triedJan 14 17:55
schestowitzEvince is good, I have it installed, but I can't rememeber why I don't typically use it.Jan 14 17:55
schestowitzI make this compromise so that I can expose corruptionJan 14 17:55
vida18Trolltech changes Qt's licenseJan 14 17:55
vida18http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lg...Jan 14 17:55
twittertext selection is fixed.  embedded kpdf is so much better than Adobe, but I like that you keep a copy of Adobe to see what non free software users do.Jan 14 17:55
schestowitzvida18: that's brilliantJan 14 17:55
schestowitzI'm read that nowJan 14 17:56
schestowitzhttp://aseigo.blogspot.com/2...Jan 14 17:56
schestowitz"As of version 4.5.0, Qt will be released under the LGPL version 2.1. Jaw off the floor yet? Good."Jan 14 17:56
schestowitzThe KDE/Qt news is big and it ought to be added that amid economic slump there is hardly ANY news, let alone good newsJan 14 17:57
schestowitzNot just for FOSS.... Microsoft has not launches anything of substance for two yearsJan 14 17:57
twitterI can see now how the last BECTA report was swinging towards M$.  They recommended continued use of binary Office formats and thought that Vista was "stable" in a pilot.Jan 14 17:57
vida18Why Qt's license is LGPL v2.1 and not LGPL v3 ?Jan 14 17:57
schestowitz*launches. It keeps burying existing products like Book Search and kills divisions like Ensemble StudiosJan 14 17:57
schestowitzvida18: i wondered the same thingJan 14 17:57
schestowitzNokia loves DRMJan 14 17:58
schestowitztwitter: "Stable" by whose standards?Jan 14 17:58
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schestowitzWhat does stable mean without relativity?Jan 14 17:58
schestowitzanivar: I have some newsJan 14 17:58
schestowitzApart from the post about India, I have some re: patentsJan 14 17:58
schestowitzI also have an EDGI smoking gun re: IndiaJan 14 17:58
anivarschestowitz:  hiJan 14 17:59
schestowitzhave a look... I'll upload it aheadJan 14 17:59
anivarschestowitz: will lookJan 14 17:59
anivarbtw see this http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/freedom-walkJan 14 17:59
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte...Jan 14 17:59
schestowitzUploaded just now. Let me know what you think.Jan 14 17:59
schestowitzCause I'll write about it tomorrow maybe.Jan 14 17:59
twitterGPL to LGPL is bad news.  I'm sorry to see it.Jan 14 18:00
schestowitzI thought the same thing, but KDE is happyJan 14 18:00
twitterEspecially when it's coupled with GPL FUD like it was.  http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/new...Jan 14 18:00
schestowitzWhere's the FUD?Jan 14 18:01
schestowitz"The move to LGPL licensing will provide open source and commercial developers with more permissive licensing than GPL and so increase flexibility for developers."Jan 14 18:01
schestowitzBlechJan 14 18:01
twitterRight.  Commercial developers have been happy with GPL for years.Jan 14 18:02
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twitterWho at KDE is happy about this?Jan 14 18:03
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schestowitzhttp://dot.kde.org/1231920504/Jan 14 18:04
schestowitz"All-in-all today's news means tremendous things for Free and Open Source software. The possibility of extending the reach of all of our work is exciting in and of itself, and this announcement could lead to a veritable explosion of Qt and KDE adoption."Jan 14 18:04
twitterI see one guy, who is happy that Nokia is not throwing QT away and who expects more commercial exploitation for some reason.Jan 14 18:05
schestowitzMaybe they just suck up to Nokia and the Trolls(tech)Jan 14 18:05
twitter*looking at the dotJan 14 18:05
anivarschestowitz:  see this link from 2003Jan 14 18:06
anivarhttp://www.hinduonnet.com/2003/05/14/s...Jan 14 18:06
twitterIt's got a different author but identical textJan 14 18:06
schestowitz"Sling Media, maker of the Slingbox family of TV-on-your-notebook devices, has lost its top, with five executives departing from the company." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/1...Jan 14 18:06
schestowitzanivar: thanks, lookingJan 14 18:07
anivarRajeev Kaul was Microsoft India Managing Director at that timeJan 14 18:07
twitterfrom the dot, " The simple fact behind this is that Nokia is less reliant on the  income from Qt licensing than Trolltec   (now Qt Software) was, and this has  given Qt Software more room to approach the market with more permissive  licensing strategies in order to increase adoption of the Qt toolkit "  from  Seigo, " The simple fact of the matter is that Nokia is not nearly as reliant on the income from Qt licensing as Trolltech Jan 14 18:08
twittersmells like talking points to me.Jan 14 18:09
schestowitzanivar: good find. I'll use it.Jan 14 18:09
schestowitzCheck what Glyn Moody wroteJan 14 18:10
schestowitzI haven't got there yet, but he twitted about planning to write about it. Maybe ComputerWorld UK or Linux JournalJan 14 18:10
twitterboth of them also use the phrase "lead to a veritable explosion of Qt and  KDE adoption" to finish off the articles.Jan 14 18:11
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/13/n... "Sales down 40 to 50 per cent"Jan 14 18:11
schestowitzWhoa! Sales down by HALF.Jan 14 18:11
twitterouchJan 14 18:11
schestowitzDoes Vista require much GPU powa?Jan 14 18:11
twitterthey better make friendly with free software.Jan 14 18:11
schestowitzSCO.. SCO auctions Unix and mobile assets to continue fight < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/13/... >Jan 14 18:12
twitterAsk GuttmanJan 14 18:12
schestowitzNokia? Free software? Never!Jan 14 18:12
schestowitzAsk MinceR Jan 14 18:12
schestowitzWeird... Fake plane death businessman cuffed in Florida < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01... >Jan 14 18:14
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schestowitzWill this detect Bush? http://www.medilexicon.com/medicalne...Jan 14 18:15
schestowitzkentma: Nortel files Chapter 11Jan 14 18:15
ushimitsudokiI don't think there's a problem in the QT move. They were offering it dual-licensed before. It's still available in GPLv3. LGPL just makes it easier on those people that wouldn't have chosen GPL anyway - people who were chosing the commercial licensingJan 14 18:15
schestowitzYes, that's what I thought tooJan 14 18:15
ushimitsudokiI don't see the downside there, unless you think they should do away with the dual-licensing model in generalJan 14 18:15
schestowitzI want to see what Moody writesJan 14 18:15
schestowitzAt least they didn't choose BSDJan 14 18:16
schestowitzJust befiore getting bought, the Trolls said it would go BSD in the worst of circumstances.Jan 14 18:16
schestowitzThey said this in the KDE summit in Google... the CEO said this and then flew home... probably to negotiate with Nokia in Finland/NorwayJan 14 18:17
schestowitzGlobal CIO: Satyam Scandal Isn't The End Of Indian Outsourcing < http://www.informationweek.com/news/management/ou... >Jan 14 18:17
schestowitzIndia can support its own softwareJan 14 18:17
schestowitzIt doesn't need failed states giving it chores... that's colonialismJan 14 18:17
schestowitzanivar: can you extract the text from the doc I sent you?Jan 14 18:19
schestowitzIt's already OCRed, but there are typosJan 14 18:19
schestowitzText with typos here:Jan 14 18:20
schestowitzhttp://pastebin.com/m5b3deddfJan 14 18:20
schestowitzvs original:  http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u...Jan 14 18:20
schestowitzCan anyone help please?Jan 14 18:20
anivarschestowitz:  I will give you some news clips from 2000  & 2001 related to Microsofts involvement in IT@school Project . Microsoft was succeeded in becoming a partner in this project by 2000 And later become a part of Microsoft -Intel Collaboration Project (when Left Parties were in Power) called Project shiksha(means teaching)and Implemented in Kerala  & west bengal (another CPIM ruled state)  see the link i gave earlier. But State wide campaign bJan 14 18:23
anivary Free software Community and Kerala school Teachers association(KSTA) succeeded in Changing it top GNU/Linux .Jan 14 18:23
anivarThe following links substantiate our chronology (with relevant excerpts):Jan 14 18:24
anivarhttp://www.hinduonnet.com/2000/09/20/...Jan 14 18:24
anivar Jan 14 18:24
anivarSeptember 20, 2000Jan 14 18:24
anivarMr. Joseph said the Government had entered into an agreement with Microsoft for a project to introduce computer and IT-enabled education covering all the schools in the State. The first phase would cover all the 2,500 high schools. In the subsequent stages, all the 60 lakh students from Class I to Class X would be covered, he said.Jan 14 18:24
anivarThe Minister said Microsoft had already trained 1,000 teachers in the first phase. He said the Government had set up a State Institute of Educational Training to undertake creation of computer-based educational tools, study materials and teaching aids.Jan 14 18:24
anivarhttp://www.rediff.com/money/2001/oct/06school.htmJan 14 18:24
anivar Jan 14 18:24
anivarOctober 6, 2001Jan 14 18:24
anivarThe previous education minister, P J Joseph, had launched his pet IT@School programme about a year ago. He had envisaged a major role for the information technology heavyweights Microsoft and Intel in enabling around six million school children to be computer literate by 2010.Jan 14 18:24
anivarhttp://ia.rediff.com/money/2001/mar...Jan 14 18:24
anivar Jan 14 18:24
anivarMarch 12, 2001Jan 14 18:24
anivarSimilarly, we are working very closely with C-DAC and ER&DC, Trivandrum on local language development. In education, we have launched a major project entitled 'IT@School', which basically aims to introduce IT-facilitated education in about 1000 schools in the State. A number of agencies including Microsoft, Intel and Schoolnet are involved in this project for teacher training and content development.Jan 14 18:24
anivar Jan 14 18:24
anivar Jan 14 18:24
anivarThere is still more news. Although I could not find an indiainfo.com news announcing  Intel's entryJan 14 18:24
schestowitzWhat's the link for that last one?Jan 14 18:25
schestowitz[the last quote]Jan 14 18:25
schestowitzCould you fix the text in http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddf according to http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploa... ? I can post it todayJan 14 18:26
anivarschestowitz:  pardon?Jan 14 18:26
schestowitzSee http://pastebin.com/m5b3deddfJan 14 18:27
anivarokJan 14 18:27
schestowitzThe OCE is not accurateJan 14 18:27
schestowitz*OCRJan 14 18:27
schestowitzI can start preparing a postJan 14 18:27
schestowitzThe links are excellent thank you.Jan 14 18:29
anivarse this too from 2003. Microsoft announced to invest 100 Crore In Project Shiksha http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/jan/18gim3.htmJan 14 18:30
anivarIt is from Global Investors meetJan 14 18:30
anivarKeralaJan 14 18:30
schestowitzThe monopolists join forces to ruin education some more:  Microsoft, Cisco and Intel Fund Learning-assessment Project < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157027/micros... >Jan 14 18:31
schestowitzNebraska State Senators Get Outfitted With MacBook Airs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157023/nebraska_sta... >Jan 14 18:31
twitterI'd like to help with the OCR'd text, but I've got a few things to do this afternoon.  Catch you later.Jan 14 18:31
MinceRschestowitz: actually now i have some hope for nokiaJan 14 18:32
schestowitzOracle to lay off 8000Jan 14 18:32
schestowitzDamage control: Huge Oracle Layoff Won't Be the Last < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157035/or... >Jan 14 18:32
schestowitzMS turn could be tomorrowJan 14 18:32
schestowitz15k?Jan 14 18:32
MinceRtheir current move doesn't only make qt more useful, but also is a commitment to not try to kill itJan 14 18:32
schestowitztwitter: I think anivar already ddoes thisJan 14 18:32
schestowitzmib_lq7wtp: good stuff!Jan 14 18:33
schestowitzOops @ MinceR \Jan 14 18:33
*anivar on OCRed textJan 14 18:33
schestowitzoracle's staff= MS, roughly...Jan 14 18:33
schestowitzIBM... 380k or so..?Jan 14 18:34
MinceR(though it isn't final, we'll have to wait until qt 4.5)Jan 14 18:34
schestowitzSamsung.. 700k?Jan 14 18:34
schestowitzanivar: thank you so muchJan 14 18:34
schestowitzIt'll be good future refs to how MS operates in IndiaJan 14 18:34


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