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| twitter | hmmm, your friends might be right about China buying US car makers. http://www.allheadlinenews.c... | Dec 16 00:57 |
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| twitter | That one is 10% owned by Warren Buffet though. | Dec 16 00:58 |
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| twitter | Once they own everything, Buffet will get the shaft - that's how corruption works. Cronies are offered a small piece of the rewards as long as they are needed. | Dec 16 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | I don't think friends told me. | Dec 16 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's something I thought about individually. | Dec 16 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | The prince of Dubai buys stake in our banks too | Dec 16 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | My cousin sent me this < http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL... > from Jason Hiner, a Microsoft fanboy who obviously thinks Microsoft and its subsidiaries rule the world. He also slams Linux sometimes, so...... worth noting is that there are some crooks in this list too. | Dec 16 01:29 |
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| ModplanMan | hi | Dec 16 04:05 |
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| Omar87 | Is AMD more friendly with Linux that Intel? | Dec 16 05:27 |
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| Omar87 | than* | Dec 16 05:27 |
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| neighborlee | well amd has ati now, and ati has OSS drivers, intel has some as well...maybe its a draw ? | Dec 16 05:30 |
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| schestowitz | Has Intel run of of things to research? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/1... | Dec 16 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&... "The short definition of a Ponzi scheme: a pyramid-like scheme, where investors are promised extremely high returns on their investment, but in reality early investors are paid with money collected from later investors." | Dec 16 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | "The short definition of a bank or of an investment fund: a bunch of stupid thieves, not any better in managing your money than a drunken chimp." | Dec 16 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Dec 16 10:39 |
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| MinceR | r4wr | Dec 16 10:51 |
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| twitter | there's no honor among thieves, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/new... | Dec 16 14:24 |
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| twitter | "Tremont Group Holdings Inc., a hedge- fund firm owned by OppenheimerFunds Inc., had $3.3 billion, or more than half its total assets, invested with Bernard Madoff." | Dec 16 14:24 |
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| twitter | - “We believe Tremont exercised appropriate due diligence in connection with the Madoff investments,” the firm said today in a statement. | Dec 16 14:25 |
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| twitter | - Other funds that invested big with Madoff include Walter Noel’s Fairfield Greenwich Group, which had about $7.5 billion out of its $14.1 billion in total assets invested with the manager. All together funds of funds had at least $20.3 billion invested with Madoff | Dec 16 14:25 |
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| twitter | Funds of funds, thieves of thieves. | Dec 16 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | FraudStreet | Dec 16 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | I have a new name for it... now that NASDAQ chairman is a criminal. | Dec 16 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | That's the Big Criminals... these are the people to hunt down, not people who shoplift or smoke pot. But people don't understand what is happening. They haven't a clue... people that I speak to. | Dec 16 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | Madoffocker :-) | Dec 16 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | Pyramid schemes for work and leisure... and ego... while it lasts. | Dec 16 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | He stole from the rich (and standards.. and poor).... to give it to the rich | Dec 16 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | Enter the beast... http://www.itwire.com/content/v... ... Dick Hardt saw a criminal company with a candy and couldn't say "no" | Dec 16 14:44 |
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| schestowitz | Boys will be boys and trolls will troll... http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murph... | Dec 16 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. Crazy MAFIAA! http://techdirt.com/articles/2008121... | Dec 16 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw is asleep. We all look forward to having PJ back on the pony, metaphorically speaking. Groklaw covers a lot of things that would never be covered without her. | Dec 16 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | More new corruption (Bribery at Phillips again): http://www.pcworld.com/article/155... | Dec 16 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. A shoe-throwing game eventually did come out... http://www.pcworld.com/article/155514/shoes_pre... | Dec 16 15:33 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Dec 16 15:56 |
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| Omar87 | Lol, take this story. : | Dec 16 15:56 |
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| Omar87 | :) | Dec 16 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | Newspaper 'Steals' Empire State Building in Just 90 Minutes http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933... | Dec 16 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | Killing Robot Being Tested by Lockheed Martin http://www.schneier.com/blog/archi... | Dec 16 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | China 'bans BBC Chinese website' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/worl... ; Food Bank Pressure Increases in US http://technocrat.net/d/2008/12/15/55620 apocalypse ;-) | Dec 16 15:58 |
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| zoobab | p | Dec 16 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | pong | Dec 16 15:58 |
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| Omar87 | Today at my college, one of my mates (an MS fanboi) told me he'd doing a project which he claims is Open Source, based on C#, Mono, and will be ran on Centos. :) | Dec 16 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: did you get my 7 submissions or so? I see just 2 | Dec 16 15:59 |
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| Omar87 | and he wants to get me involved. | Dec 16 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | Why not Java? | Dec 16 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | C# is bad imitation of rhe real thing, which is GPLv2 | Dec 16 16:00 |
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| Omar87 | I frankly told him I'm not interested. In other words, go find a kitten to play with. :) | Dec 16 16:00 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: Like I said, he's a MS and Windows guy. | Dec 16 16:00 |
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| Omar87 | He told me that himself. | Dec 16 16:01 |
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| Omar87 | Plus he was the leader of the .NET club at my University. | Dec 16 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | "10,000 sites hijacked Because Microsoft hasn't fixed a flaw" http://www.theinquirer.net/i... | Dec 16 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | .NET club?? | Dec 16 16:01 |
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| Omar87 | Yup! | Dec 16 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like Microsoft Gold Partner os sumthin' | Dec 16 16:01 |
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| Omar87 | lol :) | Dec 16 16:01 |
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| schestowitz | There could be kickbacks. | Dec 16 16:02 |
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| Omar87 | MS has devoured Jordan a loooooo..oong time ago. | Dec 16 16:02 |
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| Omar87 | Next time I see that guy, I'm gonna strike him directly. | Dec 16 16:04 |
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| Omar87 | I'm gonna tell him frankly that his project doesn't make sense at all. | Dec 16 16:05 |
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| Omar87 | If he's a Windows fanboy, then why the hell not using Windows2000? | Dec 16 16:06 |
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| Omar87 | And not matter how he answers this question, he won't get away. Because simply none of his answers will make sense. | Dec 16 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Eeek. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer... | Dec 16 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft wants the 'Lunix people' to embrace .NET... nothing new... embrace, extend, and..... | Dec 16 16:08 |
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| Omar87 | .. extinguish.. | Dec 16 16:09 |
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| Omar87 | But I can bit that this bloated technique won't be fruitful. | Dec 16 16:09 |
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| Omar87 | Because in my opinion, it sounds exactly like filling the entire Atlantic ocean in a paper cup. | Dec 16 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | Apple omg, where'z moi moneyz...????!! http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/047/10... | Dec 16 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | Oops Correct link: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer... | Dec 16 16:11 |
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| Omar87 | Let us all hope that the day when Microsoft embraces Bankruptcy is not far from now.. | Dec 16 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/articl... (Toshiba to Slash Flash Memory Production as Demand Drops). Could it have anything to do with FraudStreet and Madoffocker? | Dec 16 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: no bankruptcy, but they approach debt. Let me find recommended reading for you... | Dec 16 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | Here. Read this: http://www.billparish.com/ms... | Dec 16 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | "The Financial Pyramid At Microsoft Is Now Accelerating"... kind of like Madofffocker and his Ponzi/Pyramid Scheme... which is now exposing more accomplices. This is just the beginning... | Dec 16 16:16 |
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| Omar87 | Dept. is not enough... Bankruptcy. | Dec 16 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | "Mr. Brown also hired his former boss from Deloitte and Touche to be internal auditor at Microsoft. When this respected former partner of Deloitte told Mike that what they were doing was illegal and constituted securities fraud he was given the option to resign or be fired, according to an ABC News Story. " | Dec 16 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | "Many believe that the stock market crash of 1929 caused the Great Depression yet history clearly shows that it was instead simply bad government policy that was manipulated by leaders such as Insull. Today many now fear a similar stock market crash but in reality the economy is very strong and, if we can reform this pyramid at Microsoft, the overall market should not need to correct more than 20 percent. " | Dec 16 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... | Dec 16 16:20 |
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| schestowitz | "A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that involves paying abnormally high returns to investors out of the money paid in by subsequent investors, rather than from the profit from any real business. It is named after Charles Ponzi.[1] The term "Ponzi scheme" is used primarily in the United States, while other English-speaking countries do not distinguish verbally between this scheme and other forms of pyramid scheme.[ | Dec 16 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | 2]" | Dec 16 16:21 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, I think jo has gone over the edge by using profanity : http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/15/s... < last post | Dec 16 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | We'll need to hire a babysitter for him ;-) | Dec 16 16:22 |
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| neighborlee | but then again, thats their collective modus operandi | Dec 16 16:22 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, LOL indeed we do ;) | Dec 16 16:22 |
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| neighborlee | heH I think slated clearly hit a rough n erve ;) | Dec 16 16:24 |
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| neighborlee | I think he really is squealing ;) | Dec 16 16:25 |
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| neighborlee | o_0 | Dec 16 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Squealing??? See his site... cute monkeys at all.. | Dec 16 16:31 |
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| neighborlee | I was just referencing a slate comment as it seemed appropriate ;))heh | Dec 16 16:32 |
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| neighborlee | touched a nerve, made him squeal ,,yadda ;) | Dec 16 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. My friend is taking the collapse easy... | Dec 16 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | His company lost 600 grands in just 2 days... | Dec 16 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | "Do you want to come out on Friday, we will be meeting at the gym around 6.30pm, come along and we can celebrate the meltdown!" | Dec 16 16:33 |
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| schestowitz | Dow Jones (DJ) Sale Opposed by Parish & Company < http://www.billparish.com/200707... > | Dec 16 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | Hm... he did see some of these things coming... I had some correspondence with him (brief).. http://www.billparish.com/20080324usat... (Some of Wall Street's most private investors are beginning to have some public problems.) | Dec 16 16:42 |
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| neighborlee | hehe,,well if you go down I guess thats a great way to do it, with a smile ;) | Dec 16 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | Not with a bang but with a whimper :-) | Dec 16 16:47 |
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| neighborlee | :) | Dec 16 16:50 |
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| neighborlee | kinda like xbox 360 .,poor thing. | Dec 16 16:51 |
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| neighborlee | wii is crushing them all in sales. | Dec 16 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | Just in: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/12/16... | Dec 16 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | Fraudsters | Dec 16 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | They also knew about other flaws that burned houses down. | Dec 16 16:51 |
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| neighborlee | my friend just got a new one ( along with wiifit) for xmas from father ,,we chatted about it last night and shared mii's rofl | Dec 16 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | It wasn't good for business to recall, rework or warn the public, so they didn't.. Vandals. | Dec 16 16:52 |
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| neighborlee | sigh | Dec 16 16:53 |
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| twitter | Omar87, ask your fanboy why he's not using Suse, but there's no need to "strike" him. The poor man is deluded and will eventually come to his senses. | Dec 16 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | " How the Bush campaign paid people to riot and stop a recount in Miami in 2000. I read recently that one of the organiers of this act of political fraud said that Bush's conduct made him regret it. " < http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-... > | Dec 16 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.t-enterprise.co.uk/flashgam... (I don't like the guns though) | Dec 16 16:54 |
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| twitter | schestowitz, the US economy was strong ten years ago. A century of protectionism against free economies had weakened it but trade with non free China had only started. Today, there is only a kernel of US manufacturing left. | Dec 16 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | 5 million jobs in the auto industry | Dec 16 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | Someone spoke with me about it this morning. I couldn't believe the number. | Dec 16 16:57 |
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| schestowitz | [sarcasm] do you reckon China and Japan will hire people in Detroit for the task of manufacturing cars? | Dec 16 16:57 |
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| twitter | Yes. | Dec 16 16:58 |
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| twitter | Japan already employs US workers in the US to manufacture cars. | Dec 16 16:58 |
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| twitter | China will too. | Dec 16 16:58 |
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| twitter | Where did that 5 million number come from? There are only 300 million people in the US. | Dec 16 16:59 |
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| schestowitz | 5 million. Maybe 3 million is maybe what he said. | Dec 16 16:59 |
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| twitter | I can believe the number if it takes into account people who stand around car lots. | Dec 16 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | [two maybes... oops] | Dec 16 17:00 |
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| schestowitz | I really don't know the real numbers... but he's a high senior, so I assumed he knew what he was talking about | Dec 16 17:00 |
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| twitter | It's a big deal but oil is even bigger and it's expansion and contraction regularly takes more than that. | Dec 16 17:01 |
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| twitter | A lot of BS numbers are floated in Washington DC these days, trying to get one or two last bonus checks before the ride is over. | Dec 16 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | STUPID /... | Dec 16 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Headline "openSUSE Launches 11.1"... It's NOT out yet... they deceive | Dec 16 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | .http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/sla... | Dec 16 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | I thought now was a good time for a reminder: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/1... | Dec 16 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | One CANNOT make fraud 'the norm'..... that would be like saying that cigarettes are bad, so if we make everyone a smoker, then the problem will go away. | Dec 16 17:06 |
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| neighborlee | lol | Dec 16 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | Media is dying... Perlow is leaving Linux Magazine... http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7205 (blogs take their thunder.. steal it) | Dec 16 17:18 |
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| twitter | Best Buy is in trouble. http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&... | Dec 16 17:19 |
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| twitter | "offering buy outs" is a nice way of firing 4000 people, nice spin to it. | Dec 16 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | I would be a surprise if it wasnt' | Dec 16 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | [in trouble] | Dec 16 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR has this page he links to... with a banner for Best Buy.. http://bellini.blog.hu/2008/12/10/l... "Please Buy" | Dec 16 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | "Please Buy /Out/" | Dec 16 17:21 |
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| twitter | I smell a Vista failure story in this. HP survived by selling mostly XP and offering GNU/Linux. CompUSA, Circuit City, DSG all took big losses being channel stuffed. | Dec 16 17:21 |
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| twitter | Some M$ partners were more equal than others. | Dec 16 17:22 |
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| *schestowitz listens to "Dean Martin - Watching The World Go By" | Dec 16 17:23 |
| schestowitz | It's a happy song BTW | Dec 16 17:24 |
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| *MinceR is listening to: Slayers Next Sound Bible I - Why Should I Fear | Dec 16 17:25 |
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| *schestowitz listens to "The World we Knew (Over&Over) - Frank Sinatra " | Dec 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | That's a sadder one. | Dec 16 17:25 |
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| seller_liar | I was thinking... | Dec 16 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* @ MinceR | Dec 16 17:26 |
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| seller_liar | M$ can use mono code , if someday m$ need | Dec 16 17:26 |
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| twitter | twitter listens to the birds chirp in his backyard. | Dec 16 17:26 |
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| twitter | M$ continues their "interoperability" fraud, http://www.informationweek.com/news/... | Dec 16 17:26 |
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| seller_liar | like apple uses webkit code | Dec 16 17:26 |
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| *seller_liar has quit (Client Quit) | Dec 16 17:26 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes, it can. | Dec 16 17:26 |
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| twitter | Instead of using ODF support, M$ is publishing some kind of notes to "help developers". | Dec 16 17:28 |
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| twitter | What a nice way to shift blame to others for poor support. | Dec 16 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see Microsoft wants to force ODF-adopting countries to choose Office. | Dec 16 17:29 |
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| twitter | If M$ cared, ODF would have been the default format and there would be no OOXML. | Dec 16 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | They'll do their "scientology-like" (ANFOR incident) routine.. | Dec 16 17:29 |
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| twitter | M$ can't just compete on a level playing field like everyone else. They have to shove their crap formats. | Dec 16 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | The investors.. | Dec 16 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Be an arsehole is the business model.. always been the case. | Dec 16 17:31 |
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| Omar87 | "Microsoft Xbox Sued Again, This [???] for Software Patent Infringement" | Dec 16 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | Yikes. Thanks. | Dec 16 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | Please do tell me about typos, or else they can never be corrected. :-D | Dec 16 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | What..? Brady Forrest used to work at Microsoft? http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/12/my-netb... And now he's throwing dirt at Linux.. | Dec 16 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... maybe he's not bashing it actually, but it's still interesting to see O'Reilly/Microsoft connections. | Dec 16 18:27 |
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| neighborlee | Omar87, maybe they will have to lower cost of 360 again LOL | Dec 16 18:28 |
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| neighborlee | its already the lowest of them all and selling the least o_0 | Dec 16 18:28 |
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| neighborlee | nintendo is really wiping them all atm,,, | Dec 16 18:28 |
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| neighborlee | my friend who got her wii for xmas,,can't find a wiifit and her father gave her enough to get both :) | Dec 16 18:29 |
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| neighborlee | whew ;) | Dec 16 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft was going to buy Nintendo | Dec 16 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | INNOVA~1 by acquisition | Dec 16 18:30 |
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| neighborlee | hahah | Dec 16 18:32 |
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| neighborlee | I dont think they have enough money ;) | Dec 16 18:33 |
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| Omar87 | http://omarsdaydreams.blogspot.com/2008/1... | Dec 16 18:33 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, but yeah typical M$ | Dec 16 18:33 |
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| Omar87 | Read my new blog post. :) | Dec 16 18:34 |
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| Omar87 | And please, don't hesitate to notify about any typos or suggested adjustments. | Dec 16 18:36 |
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| Omar87 | to notify *me*... | Dec 16 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. "poisonware" | Dec 16 18:36 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: I didn't find any better expression. :) | Dec 16 18:37 |
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| Omar87 | If you can think of anyone, please enlighten me. | Dec 16 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | ic.. http://omarsdaydreams.blogspot.co... "Microsoft is playing catch up in a lot of areas. MS has the marketing, money, and the ability to "dump", without legal prosecution, to a lot of the areas where GNU/Linux can so easily maneuver, but it's increasingly having to change its product to compete. It's continually playing catch up." | Dec 16 18:39 |
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| Omar87 | That's right. | Dec 16 18:40 |
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| Omar87 | Even MS fans admit this. My colleagues clearly seemed like a good example. | Dec 16 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | BN in PCWorld: http://www.pcworld.com/artic... | Dec 16 18:41 |
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| Omar87 | If only you saw the look in his eyes, would've noticed that he's contradicting himself. | Dec 16 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Squinting? | Dec 16 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Good news for Linux: http://www.pcworld.com/article/155553/ma... (no news PC = no chance or running anything but Linux... or Windows) | Dec 16 18:46 |
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| Omar87 | Not really, but it's more like no single word he said made sense to me at all. | Dec 16 18:50 |
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| Omar87 | http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/O... | Dec 16 18:52 |
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| Omar87 | What do you think of my conclusion? | Dec 16 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | Voted them up. Microsoft has a bully complex | Dec 16 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | It know GNU/Linux is better, so it's abusing it and tries to make it do all the homework | Dec 16 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | It also threatens to beat it up (sue it) and it shows its fist (patents). | Dec 16 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | The BBC associated the Blue E with the flaw for a change... not just with the 'Internet thingie'... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t... | Dec 16 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Congrats to Michael.. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.p... ... his home is becoming a warehouse of freebies, I'm afraid.. | Dec 16 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/how... | Dec 16 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | " For much of my life, the name Bernie Madoff has meant nothing to me. Now, however, it means far more than it should in my household and countless others across America. In my household, the net effect of the Madoff scheme is that my wife has lost all the money in her 401(k) account and her job as well." | Dec 16 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | "Commentary: Wife's job, entire 401(k) disappear along with a good cause" White-collar crime... far more serious than most things, bat atomic weapons and destruction of the environment. | Dec 16 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | *bar | Dec 16 19:16 |
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| seller_liar | I was thinking | Dec 16 19:17 |
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| seller_liar | M$ can use mono code someday | Dec 16 19:17 |
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| seller_liar | If mono surpasses .net framework ,then m$ can integrate mono code for better compatibily and spped | Dec 16 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | More on FraudStreet Journal: The made-up dramas of the Wall Street Journal < http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/th... > | Dec 16 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes, that too. They have many possibilities | Dec 16 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | First they need to embrace. | Dec 16 19:19 |
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| MinceR | (animated) http://www.boingboing.net/images/x_20... | Dec 16 19:19 |
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| seller_liar | mono gives a LOT of interoperability for m$ | Dec 16 19:19 |
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| seller_liar | it's easy to port mono apps (mainly gnu linux apps) to windows | Dec 16 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | Theri own rules. | Dec 16 19:20 |
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| seller_liar | the same style of eclipse for linux and eclipse for windows | Dec 16 19:20 |
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| seller_liar | Remember , mono apps = m$ apps | Dec 16 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | For Linux there's junk | Dec 16 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | MonoDevelop | Dec 16 19:21 |
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| seller_liar | and people will prefer m$ because m$ is the default | Dec 16 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Visual Studio is only for the 'elites' that don't use that "Lunix thing" | Dec 16 19:21 |
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| seller_liar | monodevelop try to mimic Visual studio | Dec 16 19:21 |
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| seller_liar | mono will be the free apache foundation | Dec 16 19:22 |
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| seller_liar | there's no need to pay 100k to better windows | Dec 16 19:22 |
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| seller_liar | apps | Dec 16 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | Visual Studio has patents. | Dec 16 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Read http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11... | Dec 16 19:25 |
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| seller_liar | this is more problem for GNU Linux | Dec 16 19:25 |
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| seller_liar | But the real problem is better apps for windows at cost of linux apps | Dec 16 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | The dollar has just collapsed. | Dec 16 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | got a phonecall | Dec 16 19:27 |
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| *benJIman uses both Visual Studio and Linux, thus disproving your statement. | Dec 16 19:33 |
| Omar87 | two more votes will bring my post to the front page, your support will is appreciated. http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Open_... | Dec 16 19:33 |
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| Omar87 | benJIman: And you feel proud of that? | Dec 16 19:34 |
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| MinceR | benJIman: but you use Microsoft Linux, don't you? | Dec 16 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: native. | Dec 16 19:34 |
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| wispy | hey roy, you here?? | Dec 16 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, what's up? | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| wispy | happy birthday! :) | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| wispy | tomorrow, i know | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | How did you know? | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| wispy | but im leaving school today and can't go online (vacation) | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| wispy | you said on your homepage | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, thanks for the greeting. | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| twitter | "***benJIman uses both Visual Studio and Linux, thus disproving your statement." LOL, you can blow dry your hair with a 9mm, that won't make it a good idea. | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| wispy | haha you're welcome ;) | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| MinceR | actually it would be a good idea for some | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | wispy: yeah, my site says it somewhere.. probably some page I wrote many years ago | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| MinceR | the gene pool could use some cleaning | Dec 16 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* 2 MinceR | Dec 16 19:42 |
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| wispy | it's a cool homepage, you seem very cool :) | Dec 16 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | I headly touch that site anymore. | Dec 16 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | *hardly | Dec 16 19:42 |
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| wispy | yes, you have been busy with this one :D | Dec 16 19:43 |
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| wispy | i used to have an expage, now that site is gone :( | Dec 16 19:43 |
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| wispy | made it when i was in middle school | Dec 16 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | That's the danger of stupid 'clouds' | Dec 16 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | "We're sorry... Madoffocker hd our business shut down... goodbye... to your docs and site too" | Dec 16 19:44 |
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| wispy | i will never put my data on another company's server | Dec 16 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | I had some on Geocities | Dec 16 19:44 |
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| wispy | i will always rely on personal storage | Dec 16 19:44 |
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| wispy | geocities awesome | Dec 16 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft seems unlikely to touch that part of Yahoo nows. | Dec 16 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co... (China 'bans' BBC's Chinese website) | Dec 16 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | The Bushniks seem to be attacking Web neutrality now too | Dec 16 19:45 |
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| wispy | yahoo had a crazy year lol | Dec 16 19:45 |
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| wispy | net neutrality FTW | Dec 16 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/20... UK also: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/16/... | Dec 16 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | It's not neutrality... it's prelude to more censorship | Dec 16 19:46 |
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| wispy | that | Dec 16 19:46 |
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| wispy | that's too bad | Dec 16 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Certain sites will be throttled... indefinitely... like in Australia (Conroy the fascist) | Dec 16 19:46 |
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| wispy | reminds me of france sort of | Dec 16 19:47 |
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| wispy | 3 strikes rule | Dec 16 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | 3 strike and Sako's out?? | Dec 16 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | *Sarko | Dec 16 19:47 |
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| wispy | lmao! | Dec 16 19:47 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: this is very strange | Dec 16 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | Did you read the VB stuff? | Dec 16 19:48 |
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| seller_liar | not only in aus ,but in Uk and sometimes in Brazil too | Dec 16 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | The link I gave you explains about VS patents... | Dec 16 19:48 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: I know | Dec 16 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | Censorship? Whicd sites? | Dec 16 19:48 |
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| seller_liar | But I 'm talking about censorship | Dec 16 19:48 |
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| seller_liar | This is probably LOBBY | Dec 16 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | There's always a lobby | Dec 16 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | There are many | Dec 16 19:50 |
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| seller_liar | This is Not the gov | Dec 16 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | Where the crooks smell money, they would do anything to make an impact | Dec 16 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | ISPs too | Dec 16 19:50 |
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| seller_liar | but this is very sad is people to protest against the govt | Dec 16 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | Some companies will block or throttle for partners. | Dec 16 19:50 |
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| seller_liar | protest against govt is a wrong target | Dec 16 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | Like remove OOo mirror (real story) or throttle Web-based services of competitors. | Dec 16 19:51 |
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| seller_liar | in this case | Dec 16 19:51 |
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| seller_liar | yes | Dec 16 19:51 |
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| seller_liar | In Holland for example, people protest against the govt | Dec 16 19:51 |
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| seller_liar | but this is a very stupid act | Dec 16 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | They do? | Dec 16 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | Well, the government is controlled by other bodies. | Dec 16 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | This is not something that you learn in a 'corruption' degree but only from experience. | Dec 16 19:52 |
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| seller_liar | but corruption and lobby reigns | Dec 16 19:52 |
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| seller_liar | for example | Dec 16 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | It's true and provable that the fabric of any government is just a compsition of companies that can afford a chip | Dec 16 19:52 |
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| seller_liar | There are a lot of govt entities which owns companies | Dec 16 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Or offer a franchise. | Dec 16 19:52 |
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| seller_liar | and then ,this entites try to gain advantage over laws | Dec 16 19:53 |
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| wispy | Roy, i'll see you later! I'll be gone on vacation this winter break and will be offline on and off for a while. | Dec 16 19:53 |
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| wispy | enjoy yourself, birthday boy! ;) | Dec 16 19:53 |
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| seller_liar | happy birthay roy | Dec 16 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, wispy | Dec 16 19:54 |
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| wispy | i'll miss you and the site :) | Dec 16 19:54 |
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| wispy | you're welcome! | Dec 16 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Have fun. | Dec 16 19:54 |
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| wispy | thanks :) | Dec 16 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | IE fix: FF 3.0 http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/IE_flaw_pr... | Dec 16 20:01 |
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| seller_liar | and because is better to use a free browser respect user privacity | Dec 16 20:04 |
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| seller_liar | to change for opera for example is not a good thing | Dec 16 20:04 |
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| seller_liar | but change for firefox or another free browser is a good thing | Dec 16 20:05 |
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| seller_liar | privacity requires freedom | Dec 16 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Maureen O'Gara is peddling "Microsoft Dabbles in Open Source" | Dec 16 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is finding a lot of moles to 'forcefeed' themselves on the FOSS community. | Dec 16 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: I deliberately ignore everything Opera, until they decide that it's okay to show and share the source.. and the sky is not falling. | Dec 16 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | I tried Opera in 2003. I was very good back then. But then came Firefox. | Dec 16 20:07 |
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| seller_liar | Because people uses the argument " opera is open standart " | Dec 16 20:07 |
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| seller_liar | But I say " but it's not free and private things requires freedom" | Dec 16 20:08 |
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| seller_liar | Sometimes it's need to explains these things for defend against trolls | Dec 16 20:08 |
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| seller_liar | some people does not like firefox and then uses these arguments | Dec 16 20:10 |
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| seller_liar | "use opera , it open" | Dec 16 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | I know, I know... | Dec 16 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | That's what Opera says too. | Dec 16 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | Hakom (??) sayd standards are more important than code. | Dec 16 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | Then again, should it not be ASSUMED that standards are met? (well, not with Microsoft) | Dec 16 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Has anyone formally petitioned Opera? | Dec 16 20:12 |
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| seller_liar | I do not know | Dec 16 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8300-1023_3-93.html?key... "Former Vodafone chief Arun Sarin reportedly is withdrawing his name from the Yahoo CEO search, in part due to the uncertainty whether the Internet search pioneer will be broken up and sold, according to a report in the Financial Times." | Dec 16 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | MOG on Android (smear); "Of course it's only produced one phone so far, the iPhone's leagues ahead, and the crummy economy is expected to hurt even cell phone sales, but this is a matter of covering multiple bets and seeing what shakes out." | Dec 16 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | "DW: The number of bankruptcies of what previously had been household name companies will continue to soar. The current purchasing paralysis will expose those organizations with marginal business plans. " | Dec 16 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | "Those that struggled to succeed over the past five years (relatively robust economy compared to the current situation) coupled with those that sought unrealistic returns at any cost — will fail. Some will be salvaged through reorganization (GM? Ford? etc…), some will be acquired for pennies on the dollar, and some will cease to exist." http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/asterisk/article... | Dec 16 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | dham.htm | Dec 16 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Oops . Truncation. http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/asterisk... | Dec 16 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Potential anti-FOSS law: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/064/10... | Dec 16 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | ...German Government Urged to Force People to Use Binaries or Die... | Dec 16 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Maureen O'Gara attacks GNU for suing a GPL violator. Surprise, surprise. | Dec 16 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Wedding Crashers In Spain Actually The Copyright Cops < Wedding Crashers In Spain Actually The Copyright Cops > | Dec 16 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20081... | Dec 16 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Bush sneaks through host of laws to undermine Obama < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/14/... > | Dec 16 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | ONION: Supreme Court Overturns Bush v. Gore < http://www.theonion.com/content/news/s... > | Dec 16 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technol... "Users of the world's most common web browser have been advised to switch to another browser until a serious security flaw has been fixed." | Dec 16 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Another trolltistics post: http://www.ultimalinux.com/marketshare/ It's based on bullishit data. Let's link to truthful things, so as not to reinforce the big lies. http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/07/is_l... | Dec 16 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | New old stupidity about standardising on Ubutnu.....http://www.workswithu.com/2008/12/15/one-l... .. LinuxCanuck leaves a decent comment. | Dec 16 22:09 |
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