| oiaohm | Than to have to do the converions between windows to linux or the other way. | Feb 20 16:38 |
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| twitter | The result of the "upgrade" a new version of a browser and a few other minor tweaks. | Feb 20 16:38 |
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| twitter | It was a huge waste of money. | Feb 20 16:39 |
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| oiaohm | Mac to Linux almost painless. | Feb 20 16:39 |
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| oiaohm | Either way. | Feb 20 16:39 |
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| twitter | GNU/Linux saves that kind of money on a continual basis. | Feb 20 16:39 |
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| oiaohm | Its getting accross the divide in one piece. | Feb 20 16:39 |
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| oiaohm | At least with time that is getting simpler. | Feb 20 16:40 |
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| oiaohm | 2001 is was a real prick. | Feb 20 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | That's why talking points are spread | Feb 20 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | To counter reality | Feb 20 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | I need to do some more posts today | Feb 20 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Just one so far :-( | Feb 20 16:40 |
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| twitter | Young Franken Steve, very funny. | Feb 20 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/feb... (Mills gets jail term in Berlusconi bribe case) | Feb 20 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | "Tessa Jowell, the Olympics minister, defended her estranged husband, David Mills, yesterday as he was sentenced to four and a half years in an Italian jail for taking a $600,000 (€£400,000) bribe as a reward for withholding court testimony to help Italy's prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi." | Feb 20 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | Meanwhile, it seems like Israel too gets a criminal in charge.. old bribery accusations too.. and a militant slant. | Feb 20 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | Obama will hopefully do better | Feb 20 16:44 |
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| twitter | You have been busy, Roy. I'm always surprised by how much you manage to find worth posting. | Feb 20 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | Then there's SARKO... and Gordon ain't good either. | Feb 20 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | I'm actually growing fond of independence fighters like Chavez | Feb 20 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | He is popular among the population and the US calls him "a tyrant" because he's not allowing the US to colonialise Venezuela | Feb 20 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: thanks. | Feb 20 16:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/feb... "MI5 provided the CIA with material to interrogate Binyam Mohamed, the former UK resident at the centre of torture allegations, even though it had no idea where he was being held and in what condition he was in, it emerged yesterday." | Feb 20 16:46 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/op... Who would have dreamed of a compare like this 5 years ago. | Feb 20 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah... real product vs vapourware | Feb 20 16:52 |
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| oiaohm | No Linux being the real product | Feb 20 16:52 |
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| oiaohm | Its role reversed. | Feb 20 16:52 |
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| oiaohm | Most of the compares in the past were saying Linux will have X or Y in time. | Feb 20 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Feb 20 16:53 |
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| oiaohm | You see no signs of that. | Feb 20 16:53 |
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| oiaohm | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/20... Hmm we are starting to move into secound wave | Feb 20 17:03 |
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| twitter | Actually, oiahom, I thought GNU/Linux was ready for prime time eight years ago. | Feb 20 17:04 |
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| oiaohm | Linux massive processor support. So different cpu types start appearing in frount of users. | Feb 20 17:04 |
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| oiaohm | I have been using Linux since 1995 twitter . About 8 years ago it show prommise but hardware support was a major bug bear. | Feb 20 17:05 |
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| oiaohm | Now the move between showing promise to functional has taken a while. | Feb 20 17:05 |
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| oiaohm | The evolution not working well on windows in 2002 was a major stumbling block for making move accross simple. | Feb 20 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... | Feb 20 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://kmandla.wordpress.com/20... | Feb 20 17:10 |
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| twitter | I've been able to use GNU/Linux exclusively for the last 8 years. Hardware support has always been hard everywhere, but GNU/Linux is now much better than Windows. | Feb 20 17:12 |
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| twitter | Distributions like Knoppix had superior hardware support from the start. | Feb 20 17:13 |
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| oiaohm | I started off where hardware support was have a shoping list. | Feb 20 17:14 |
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| oiaohm | If you did not have the right parts it did not work. | Feb 20 17:14 |
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| oiaohm | At the improvement rates of Linux I don't have a clue what it will look like in 2019 | Feb 20 17:14 |
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| twitter | There is still sabotage like that, but GNU/Linux now runs more hardware than any other OS ever. | Feb 20 17:15 |
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| oiaohm | Not ever | Feb 20 17:15 |
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| oiaohm | Beating dos took ages. | Feb 20 17:15 |
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| twitter | What kernel has better hardware support than Linux? | Feb 20 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | There's some Linux usage FUD out there. | Feb 20 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | I'm tryint to rebut it all | Feb 20 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | I think it all began with that SJVN article (which quotes BN too). | Feb 20 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | On our site (boycottnovell) which does almost 1 million pageviews a month (I dunno about Coral cache), over 30% use GNU/Linux (based on AWStats). | Feb 20 17:17 |
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| twitter | The usual lie is that fewer than 1% of users have GNU/Linux. Only 30%? wow. | Feb 20 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | People must not measure usage based on the 'average' users' site and assume this to be representative of the average. It's a terminal mistake to make. Geographies matter A LOT too. Linux usage in Brazil and Russian, for example, is massive. It tends to land on sites that don't speak English. | Feb 20 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: more like 35% | Feb 20 17:17 |
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| oiaohm | Depends where you are on the earth surface. | Feb 20 17:18 |
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| twitter | When does it peak? | Feb 20 17:18 |
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| oiaohm | Australia is about 0.1 % use Linux. | Feb 20 17:18 |
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| oiaohm | Thinking that Australia has the highest usage of Microsoft products out of any country. | Feb 20 17:18 |
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| twitter | Not even the M$ campus has GNU/Linux desktop use that low, oiaohm. | Feb 20 17:19 |
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| oiaohm | We have UNI's here that are pure MS. | Feb 20 17:19 |
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| twitter | Ahhhh, now I know where Balmer gets his statistics ... | Feb 20 17:19 |
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| twitter | He samples the M$ campus and fudges it the way he likes. | Feb 20 17:20 |
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| oiaohm | Small business here runs basically 100 percent on Microsoft. | Feb 20 17:20 |
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| oiaohm | Larger business here most use Linux as price dropping talk. | Feb 20 17:21 |
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| oiaohm | Cracks are starting to appear. | Feb 20 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | OpenSUSE is having problems | Feb 20 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | Ya benJIman. | Feb 20 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2... http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/02/... | Feb 20 17:21 |
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| oiaohm | It also might explain why we don't see eye to eye twitter. I am in a far more free/open source not tollerent market. Lot here still believe the myth because its open source it has to be a secuirty risk. | Feb 20 17:22 |
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| twitter | http://www.myspace.com/benjimanactivate | Feb 20 17:23 |
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| twitter | The things I see and think, oiaohm, don't depend on what Windows users see or think. | Feb 20 17:24 |
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| oiaohm | I have even one at the moment taking a closed source china made office clone over Open Office. | Feb 20 17:25 |
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| twitter | that would be baaaaa-aaa-aaa-d. | Feb 20 17:25 |
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| twitter | *thinking like a windows user, not an OO clone. | Feb 20 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://makuro.wordpress.com/2009/0... | Feb 20 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | Sabayon is rising in Cuba | Feb 20 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Gentoo also had some other success stories recently, but there are those places for drama in blogs | Feb 20 17:26 |
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| oiaohm | Basically this market is resistant twitter. So I need things to work close to perfectly. | Feb 20 17:26 |
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| twitter | http://images.google.com/images?q=ben... | Feb 20 17:26 |
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| oiaohm | So they don't find a reason to bail out. | Feb 20 17:26 |
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| oiaohm | Yes here they do. MS is easy is another nice myth here. | Feb 20 17:27 |
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| twitter | You find reasons for people to bail out. Users suffer. | Feb 20 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Not the same one... http://flickr.com/photos/49814197... | Feb 20 17:27 |
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| oiaohm | Not the same twitter my reasons I state users have come to me and it was there reason for leaving it. | Feb 20 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: worry not | Feb 20 17:28 |
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| oiaohm | Getting them to go back after that is hard work. | Feb 20 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | AU is like the UK in a sense | Feb 20 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Very close to English speaking neighbours | Feb 20 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | So there is the whole MS collusion relationship | Feb 20 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | Here it is common for Microsoft to run the government and for the Big Criminals from US-based multinationals to be family friends of leaders. | Feb 20 17:29 |
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| oiaohm | Different markets different problems. | Feb 20 17:29 |
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| twitter | People who value their freedom don't use Windows. | Feb 20 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | So adoption of FOSS is abysmal consider to the remainder of the world | Feb 20 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | Almost an oder of magnitude worse | Feb 20 17:29 |
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| oiaohm | Problem here no such thing on the freedom side twitter where. | Feb 20 17:29 |
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| oiaohm | where/here | Feb 20 17:29 |
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| oiaohm | Also lot of people here also believe Microsoft is good. | Feb 20 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | In Germany, almost half of sub-notebooks are sold with Linux and about 6% of laptops (maybe desktops too). | Feb 20 17:29 |
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| twitter | the freedom issue is everywhere, people who use Windows simply don't understand it. | Feb 20 17:30 |
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| oiaohm | The issue here they want the freedom to do there business. | Feb 20 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | A lof of people also believe that Rockefeller and Rothschild were good. They bought PR.. | Feb 20 17:30 |
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| oiaohm | They believe Microsoft gives them that freedom. | Feb 20 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | They don't understand freedom | Feb 20 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Because they are privileged | Feb 20 17:31 |
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| oiaohm | Yes you and I might to agree with them on that its getting past the mind set. | Feb 20 17:31 |
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| oiaohm | They buy a truck to move stuff. | Feb 20 17:31 |
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| oiaohm | They buy windows to run a computer. | Feb 20 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | As long as it's Colobian farmers who are attacked by acid and Nigerian kids who suffocate from oil, they have their freedom (to suppress) | Feb 20 17:31 |
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| oiaohm | And it goes on. | Feb 20 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | But that it very problematic at another scale | Feb 20 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | You could go on pretending that imperialisation like Microsoft is OK at a national level too. | Feb 20 17:32 |
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| oiaohm | Australian tax office don't provide tax return software for Linux. | Feb 20 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | That sabotaging competiiton (other countries) for submission is acceptable. | Feb 20 17:32 |
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| oiaohm | Or business interfaces software for Linux. | Feb 20 17:33 |
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| oiaohm | So yep all levels. | Feb 20 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | The French (And even the UK and Nazi Germany) always had reasons to justify it for themselves | Feb 20 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is the same | Feb 20 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | They think they do the world a favour with Windows | Feb 20 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | Gates extorts politicians saying that OOXML is good for the family | Feb 20 17:33 |
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| schestowitz | The IBM execs were deeply disgusted by this. | Feb 20 17:33 |
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| oiaohm | OOXML was votied down here. | Feb 20 17:33 |
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| oiaohm | National archives have common sence. | Feb 20 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Perfect plot: commit crime, rename it a "duty" | Feb 20 17:34 |
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| oiaohm | this is where it gets stupid. | Feb 20 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: it wasn;t | Feb 20 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | AU abstained | Feb 20 17:34 |
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| oiaohm | National archives of Australia are stored in ODF. | Feb 20 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | It had shill like Ricj Jelliffe | Feb 20 17:34 |
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| twitter | Good for Au. | Feb 20 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | On Microsoft's sheckel | Feb 20 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Get paid by Microsoft, give 'opinion'; | Feb 20 17:34 |
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| twitter | Businesses change their practices when users complain that their M$ crap does not work well. That's how it is happening here in the US. | Feb 20 17:35 |
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| twitter | Small banks, dealerships and others don't dare put something up that's M$ only anymore. | Feb 20 17:35 |
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| twitter | Mac and GNU/Linux users get turned off and leave. | Feb 20 17:36 |
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| twitter | Even big dumb companies are starting to get it. | Feb 20 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | "Update 20Feb09: I installed Easy Peasy which is a Ubuntu remix for the ASUS Eee PCs and I love it. It works great out-of-the-box! I am glad to be rid of that Xandros nightmare." http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2009/02/... | Feb 20 17:36 |
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| oiaohm | You are a few stages ahead of here twitter | Feb 20 17:36 |
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| oiaohm | I am still battling with how to get it into there minds clearly. | Feb 20 17:37 |
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| twitter | When people understand freedom, they don't blame GNU/Linux when things don't work, they blame M$ and other idiot businesses for the things they do. | Feb 20 17:37 |
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| oiaohm | So they are really sentivitive to any set backs. | Feb 20 17:37 |
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| oiaohm | Its one of theses things you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. | Feb 20 17:38 |
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| twitter | You have to complain when online services you use don't work. Polite, factual complaints work. | Feb 20 17:38 |
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| oiaohm | Ie you have to get the interested. | Feb 20 17:38 |
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| oiaohm | Most banks here support firefox. | Feb 20 17:38 |
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| oiaohm | They go as far as rejecting users running IE. | Feb 20 17:38 |
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| oiaohm | But that is purely on security grounds of course. | Feb 20 17:39 |
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| twitter | M$ OS are a real pain in the ass to keep working. There's nothing more interesting to practical people than an OS that does not need all that. | Feb 20 17:39 |
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| oiaohm | Not there like of open source and freedom. | Feb 20 17:39 |
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| oiaohm | Once I have users on Linux and use to it they don't go back. | Feb 20 17:40 |
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| twitter | People who understand freedom are willing to put up with a few problems to preserve their rights. | Feb 20 17:40 |
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| oiaohm | Its getting them accross without them jump back and the first problem. | Feb 20 17:40 |
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| oiaohm | Even if they understand freedom some here say they have the freedom to used closed if they want to. | Feb 20 17:40 |
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| twitter | If they understand and value freedom, they won't jump back. | Feb 20 17:40 |
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| oiaohm | What is right. | Feb 20 17:40 |
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| oiaohm | Here is more understanding that all the stupid things windows does that does not have to be the way. | Feb 20 17:41 |
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| k00lc | hello | Feb 20 17:41 |
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| twitter | hi | Feb 20 17:41 |
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| oiaohm | hi k00lc | Feb 20 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 20 17:42 |
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| k00lc | did you guys know that that shana person that blogged is a mono dev? | Feb 20 17:42 |
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| k00lc | I just found this: http://blog.worldofcoding.com/2006/11/ne... | Feb 20 17:42 |
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| oiaohm | you seam to have a lot different personally of popluation twitter. Freedom is not valued very highly here. Most of the focus here is getting job done. If that means using something paided so be it. | Feb 20 17:43 |
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| k00lc | and she's doing moonlight now, apparently | Feb 20 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | I'm getting mail about the OpenSUSE crisis | Feb 20 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | k00lc: we tried to find that out | Feb 20 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | We couldn't find out (at the time) the mono connection | Feb 20 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | On payroll or not? | Feb 20 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | Ahhh! | Feb 20 17:44 |
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| k00lc | all it took was to read the blog | Feb 20 17:44 |
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| k00lc | full time at novell, what do you think? | Feb 20 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | "As the title says, I have a wonderful new job, working full time at Novell on my favourite open source project, Mono. What more can I say? :D *happy little coder does happy little jiggly dance*" | Feb 20 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah | Feb 20 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | beat me to it | Feb 20 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | haha. | Feb 20 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Ill blog this, thanks. | Feb 20 17:45 |
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| k00lc | np | Feb 20 17:45 |
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| benJIman | schestowitz: Yes I saw it. | Feb 20 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: so they promote .NET and demote Linux | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | How does *THAT* feel? | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| benJIman | schestowitz: That's an interesting interpretation. | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | I'm gonna wrtite about it | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: it is | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | They turn Linux into Microsoft's playground | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| benJIman | I like .net (though prefer java) | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Now with ASP.NET | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel wrote about it last night | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| benJIman | \o/ | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | It's very obvious what they have in store | Feb 20 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | "be MS bitch and beg for lifelines" | Feb 20 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: of course you do. That's why you're with OpenSUSE. | Feb 20 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Linux | Feb 20 17:48 |
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| trmanco | hey guys | Feb 20 18:27 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 20 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | What's up? | Feb 20 18:33 |
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| *schestowitz works on a very damning Novell post | Feb 20 18:33 |
| trmanco | nothing much | Feb 20 18:33 |
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| balzac | I can think of one defense for proprietary software users and developers | Feb 20 18:39 |
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| balzac | for those who know better, but who still choose proprietary software | Feb 20 18:39 |
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| balzac | the're kinky and they get off on controlling and being controlled | Feb 20 18:39 |
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| balzac | so long as they're consciously participating in their particular fetish, who am I to judge? | Feb 20 18:40 |
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| balzac | the problem comes when they fail to respect others boundaries, trying to control those who are not interested in being controlled | Feb 20 18:41 |
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| twitter | M$'s H1B program concerns go mainstream, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206... | Feb 20 18:43 |
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| twitter | " As many as 5,000 employees are being shown the door at Microsoft, which uses more H1-B guest-worker visas than any other U.S. company. Some employees and politicians say Microsoft should get rid of foreigners first." | Feb 20 18:44 |
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| twitter | " Foreigners face severe difficulties when they are fired because their visas are tied to their employer, said Paul Soreff, a Seattle lawyer and former chairman of the Washington Chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. While employers must pay for a visa holder’s ticket home, transporting other family members and their possessions falls on the worker." - something I had not thought of, ouch. | Feb 20 18:46 |
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| twitter | Written by Dina Bass, who usually does a good job. | Feb 20 18:48 |
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| twitter | Oh yeah, M$FT is about $1 above it's 52 week low. Novell is down to 3.25. | Feb 20 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | Novell might fall under $3 soon | Feb 20 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Dina Bass... MS buddy. | Feb 20 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | DOW is almost below 7000 ! | Feb 20 18:58 |
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| twitter | "little coder does happy little jiggly dance" They are "little" now and had been since eating M$ poison. | Feb 20 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | It might soon go below 50% of all-time high | Feb 20 18:59 |
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| twitter | ? both M$ and Novell are way below that. | Feb 20 19:00 |
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| twitter | In the Novell case, they are flirting with 5% of their $40 Y2K peak. | Feb 20 19:01 |
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| twitter | M$ is flunking towards 25% of their Y2K price of $60. | Feb 20 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | MS has heavy buybacvks though | Feb 20 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | So you can't see the reality of the matter | Feb 20 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | You see how many stocks are held.. but not by REAL investors | Feb 20 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Novell too has buybacks going, but not very heavy ones and they may have already expired (reached their end) | Feb 20 19:04 |
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| twitter | They can't hide their evaporating cash pile and their buybacks are probably costing them a fortune now. | Feb 20 19:04 |
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| twitter | The other day, I saw where Bill G and other insiders had been dumping their shares. | Feb 20 19:04 |
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| twitter | http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2... | Feb 20 19:05 |
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| twitter | -> 02/09 - Over the last six months, insiders have been dumping not buying M$FT. Bill Gates himself shed 22 million shares, 2 million of them at $18.84. So much for the "buying shares now is smart" lie | Feb 20 19:06 |
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| twitter | M$ Death Watch http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/213707 | Feb 20 19:06 |
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| twitter | M$ buying shares is only smart for insiders who want to cash out. | Feb 20 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 20 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Gates sold shared | Feb 20 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | *res | Feb 20 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote about it in BN | Feb 20 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | It's masness. | Feb 20 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | *madness | Feb 20 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Putting money in Microsoft now is like putting coin in the slot machine, believing that you found a trick for always winning (reversing odds) | Feb 20 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | If you have money, sell short.. but the SEC has forbidden this since last year (it was on Groklaw too) | Feb 20 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | Some people gambled on the meltdown, which they knew was coming | Feb 20 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | They became rich from this total collapse that they artificially permitted to come. | Feb 20 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | Well, that's why they call it FraudStreet :-D | Feb 20 19:19 |
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| twitter | Submitted Slave Worker Resentment http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o... | Feb 20 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | benJIman: learn about the company you support: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/20/... | Feb 20 19:40 |
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| benJIman | From the headline I can only assume it's a good thing €¬_€¬ | Feb 20 19:48 |
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| PetoKraus | that's what she said! | Feb 20 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | We got some front page (Digg) publicity... http://digg.com/linux_unix/How_Many_... | Feb 20 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/... | Feb 20 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | Stop Baby Boomer Bashing: Protect Social Security and Medicare < http://www.truthout.org/021609A > | Feb 20 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | The fraudsters from Edelman (of Vista laptops bribes) are at it again: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8224 | Feb 20 20:06 |
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| amd-linux | did you guys read the news regarding Asus bringing a Android netbook? That would be a slap in MS face.... | Feb 20 20:09 |
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| amd-linux | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Asus_to... | Feb 20 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | Another set of fraudstrers is nymshifting to escape the association with what they did: Countrywide" Goes the Way of "Blackwater" < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8226 > | Feb 20 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: yes, seen it | Feb 20 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/08... | Feb 20 20:09 |
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| trmanco | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-d... | Feb 20 20:09 |
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| trmanco | :D | Feb 20 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | ASUS will hopefully not accept the incentives or whatever to give it up again. | Feb 20 20:10 |
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| amd-linux | loads of good news currently wr to linux..... | Feb 20 20:10 |
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| amd-linux | and FOSS in general. | Feb 20 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: For a moment there I was hoping for backlash against moon lie in Ubuntu 9.04 | Feb 20 20:10 |
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| amd-linux | the financial crisis is giving FOSS adoption a real boost me thinks? | Feb 20 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: definitely | Feb 20 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | I read something earlier about, well... | Feb 20 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | The Tech bubble led to growth of Linux. | Feb 20 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | People just wanted to carry on coding something, so unemployed people gave it a boost | Feb 20 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't follow Linux closely at the time (just used it) | Feb 20 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | I can't quite recall where I read and whether I paste it in IRC this morning. | Feb 20 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: regardless of what it does the FOSS, that's the wrong Q | Feb 20 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | It hurts Apple (AppleWorld dies, no new products this year) and it hurts Microsoft more | Feb 20 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | It's all relative but with all in "brace" mode, the clumsy ones can't advance... Debian did well with 5.0 | Feb 20 20:13 |
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| amd-linux | well, sad thing is that it needs such a desaster scenario to make people aware of FOSS | Feb 20 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer will breathe more life back into BLAG Linux. | Feb 20 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | BLAG Linux and GNU | Feb 20 20:13 |
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| MinceR | blogoblag | Feb 20 20:13 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 20 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | :-o | Feb 20 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | In the news today: http://weblog.infoworld.com/stratdev/a... (Vista 7 sabotages Linux neighbours) | Feb 20 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Shades of OS/2 and DR-DOS attack tactics | Feb 20 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Man Dies at Microsoft Again: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mi... | Feb 20 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft is haunted. Some time ago a man fell down the elevator shaft and a Microsoft employee committed suicide by jumping out the window (a month ago). | Feb 20 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Conficker Worm Gets an Evil Twin < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159890/conficke... > | Feb 20 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Will Microsoft offer $250,000 for another person's head ;-) | Feb 20 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Analyst: HP Results Bad News for Microsoft < http://www.pcworld.com/article/159870/analy... > | Feb 20 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/... (The ugly side of Apple) | Feb 20 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/... ( Windows 7 fast track alarms technical testers )...... schnell schnell! Never mind if the clusterfsck is filled with bugs still. | Feb 20 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statu... | Feb 20 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | Vista7... killed by a pack of koalas?? | Feb 20 20:19 |
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| amd-linux | Glyn Moody - I recently discovered that he is THE Glyn Moody who wrote "The Software Rebels"..... was not aware of this, have his book, very good read, I can only recommend it | Feb 20 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | Broken Windows: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachus... | Feb 20 20:23 |
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| trmanco | what is this? -> http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/0... some kind of a joke? | Feb 20 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: Moody and I are very much alike in our opinions and convictions. That's why I read him, | Feb 20 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: *everything* Microsoft does these days is a joke... thing like search bribery | Feb 20 20:25 |
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| trmanco | lol | Feb 20 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: just seen it. Would rather not give it visibility... it's kind of viral | Feb 20 20:26 |
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| amd-linux | I hope MS gets rid of Ballmer and his clique soon | Feb 20 20:26 |
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| trmanco | yeah, sort of | Feb 20 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | I still wonder if that Release7Now campaign (can't recall exact name) is Microsoft guerrilla marketing. They do this all the time. | Feb 20 20:26 |
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| amd-linux | he is a "cold-war warrior" wr to FOSS | Feb 20 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: they'll be screwed without him | Feb 20 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | They rely on being bullies | Feb 20 20:27 |
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| MinceR | no need to get rid of ballmer, m$ is m$ under any leadership | Feb 20 20:27 |
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| MinceR | they simply need to die | Feb 20 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | They have PR 'fronts' like Ramji and Ozzie | Feb 20 20:27 |
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| amd-linux | MS is too big, to important - imagine the investments of many pension funds in MS | Feb 20 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer is actually good for Microsoft | Feb 20 20:27 |
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| amd-linux | that alone will prevent that the US let them die | Feb 20 20:27 |
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| MinceR | then the US will have to die too | Feb 20 20:28 |
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| amd-linux | why is he good? he is running them into the ground, everybody can see this? | Feb 20 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | An academic friend of mine has watched this industry for decade and he theorises that Gates stepped down after Microsoft had lost $18bn in 1998. He left Ballmer to just squeeze any penny that's left in the pyramid scheme | Feb 20 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | So Ballmer cared only about quick profits, nothing else. | Feb 20 20:28 |
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| amd-linux | he is a fanatic, but on the dark side - he is maybe too proud to admit that he is wrong, dead wrong | Feb 20 20:28 |
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| MinceR | what's running them into the ground is that they haven't ever come up with a single usable product during their existence | Feb 20 20:29 |
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| amd-linux | Objection - I have a notebook mouse from MS that actually works well :-) | Feb 20 20:29 |
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| MinceR | notebook mice are pointless | Feb 20 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: It's not good, either | Feb 20 20:29 |
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| MinceR | if a notebook can fit in your bag, why can't a normal mouse? | Feb 20 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | The US is probably the most dangerous country in thw world, bar none | Feb 20 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | Not my opinion BTW | Feb 20 20:30 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Feb 20 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | Surveys in the EU indicates that the US is the "biggest threat to world peace" | Feb 20 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | I kid hyou not | Feb 20 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | I found it hard to believe too | Feb 20 20:30 |
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| MinceR | i find it easy to believe | Feb 20 20:30 |
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| amd-linux | I can confirm this sentiment | Feb 20 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | So as Dow Jones descends almost below 7000 now, they can get more aggressive, like MSFT | Feb 20 20:30 |
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| MinceR | they're a big, trigger-happy bully with lots of "allies" | Feb 20 20:30 |
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| amd-linux | the US need to take what is going on in Mid East - sooner or later a desperate terrorist | Feb 20 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | amd-linux: didn't they just buy a company for peripherals? | Feb 20 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's a logo-sticking strtegy | Feb 20 20:31 |
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| MinceR | and they're the agent of a lot of unscrupulous businesses to enforce laws over the world that are only good for those businesses | Feb 20 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | Like Cisco and Google... | Feb 20 20:31 |
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| trmanco | "A savvy Koala knows that the best way to conserve energy is to go | Feb 20 20:31 |
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| trmanco | to sleep, and these days even servers can suspend and resume, so imagine | Feb 20 20:31 |
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| trmanco | if we could make it possible to build a cloud computing facility that | Feb 20 20:31 |
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| trmanco | drops its energy use virtually to zero by napping in the midday heat, | Feb 20 20:31 |
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| trmanco | and waking up when there's work to be done. No need to drink at the | Feb 20 20:31 |
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| trmanco | energy fountain when there's nothing going on. If we get all of this | Feb 20 20:32 |
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| trmanco | right, our Koala will help take the edge off the bear market. | Feb 20 20:32 |
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| trmanco | " | Feb 20 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Google too is just buying anything it can (except SE) and then slaps "G" onto thenm | Feb 20 20:32 |
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| trmanco | How about this, ? | Feb 20 20:32 |
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| amd-linux | MS? Dont know. I just know that they were once famous for mice and keyboards which seemed to be good quality in opposite to their software | Feb 20 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Does Shuttleworth call Ballmer a "bear" | Feb 20 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Or is it a naked (bear) market? | Feb 20 20:33 |
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| amd-linux | BTW I still wonder why Google did not buy Dropbox and Steam.... they would perfectly fit | Feb 20 20:33 |
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| MinceR | why can't people just buy logitech? :> | Feb 20 20:33 |
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| amd-linux | in their portfolio, and Dropbox would make the G-Drive a reality, finally | Feb 20 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Google h/w? | Feb 20 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | That would be odd. | Feb 20 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Misfit.. | Feb 20 20:34 |
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| trmanco | Steam? no way | Feb 20 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft was able to make peripherals Windows-only or favourable to Windows. | Feb 20 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Where the gain/intergration to Google? | Feb 20 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Vista7 is steam | Feb 20 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | Steamware | Feb 20 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | It really steams too | Feb 20 20:35 |
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| amd-linux | Dropbox? Platform agnostic cloud storage - beautiful | Feb 20 20:35 |
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| amd-linux | Dropbox is a virtual drive that connects with different filemanagers (Nautilus i.e.) | Feb 20 20:36 |
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| amd-linux | and syncs your files automatically | Feb 20 20:36 |
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| amd-linux | exactly what G-Drive is expected to do.... | Feb 20 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | I already have my two 'dropboxes' right here (for backup)... I keep my data where I live, away from the nice chaps < http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asi... > | Feb 20 20:36 |
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| MinceR | i prefer real drives to virtual ones :> | Feb 20 20:37 |
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| trmanco | loool | Feb 20 20:37 |
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| trmanco | they are all real | Feb 20 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Until.... | Feb 20 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Like MS DRM... | Feb 20 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | It just pops | Feb 20 20:37 |
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| amd-linux | the drives are real - just not under your desk but somewhere else :-) | Feb 20 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | "We are sorry to inform you....... blah blah' | Feb 20 20:37 |
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| MinceR | i prefer to keep mine on my desk | Feb 20 20:38 |
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| trmanco | you can actually touch your data if you gain physical access to the hard drives :-P | Feb 20 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Werb hosting and mail are different | Feb 20 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Because of uptime | Feb 20 20:38 |
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| trmanco | ma.gnolia crapped out | Feb 20 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | You need someone to handle them with care all the time | Feb 20 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Backup is less time-critical | Feb 20 20:38 |
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| MinceR | i am someone | Feb 20 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | What if you are on holiday? | Feb 20 20:38 |
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| MinceR | and i care more about my own data than all the companies in the world together | Feb 20 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | Or there is a power failure? | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| MinceR | i don't need to do backups on holiday | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| amd-linux | I also would not trust wr to my confidential data, but for the daily stuff this seems convenient, at least for me | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I was referring to hosting | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| MinceR | oh. | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: we talked about different things | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | Like in satires | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| MinceR | well, i'd rather control that myself too | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| amd-linux | lool | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| MinceR | that way i can solve any issues instantly | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: trade-off | Feb 20 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | You could also grow your own food | Feb 20 20:40 |
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| MinceR | i could if i had the tech to make it low-maintenance | Feb 20 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | But it's more efficient to certalise some operations like hosting and datacentres(ralisation) | Feb 20 20:40 |
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| MinceR | like my storage :> | Feb 20 20:40 |
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| MinceR | in fact, with tech that's advanced enough, i wouldn't even need food at all | Feb 20 20:41 |
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| MinceR | :> | Feb 20 20:41 |
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| trmanco | w00t | Feb 20 20:42 |
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| trmanco | that just reminded me of something funny (food) | Feb 20 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | No comment: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0... | Feb 20 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | It looks like a monitor | Feb 20 20:43 |
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| trmanco | http://www.deanliou.com/WinRG/ -> click the start button and try ordering some food | Feb 20 20:44 |
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| amd-linux | nice :-) | Feb 20 20:47 |
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| *schestowitz changes track to prevent headache | Feb 20 20:48 |
| trmanco | loool | Feb 20 20:49 |
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| amd-linux | very good, good link :-) | Feb 20 20:49 |
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| PetoKraus | link of the day :D | Feb 20 20:50 |
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| *PetoKraus np: Pink Floyd - Echoes (Meddle) | Feb 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: hehe | Feb 20 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: this is strange for the wrong reason | Feb 20 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't done a Windows like GUI for years | Feb 20 20:50 |
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| trmanco | I looks like KDE | Feb 20 20:51 |
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| trmanco | :-P | Feb 20 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Not mine | Feb 20 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshot... | Feb 20 20:51 |
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| trmanco | just with a bunch of bloat and "red" lipstick | Feb 20 20:51 |
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| trmanco | hmm, your task bar is on the right side, interesting | Feb 20 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | Aero-lipstick | Feb 20 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | A man walks into a bar and says to the pig, "You can put Aero on a pig.." | Feb 20 20:52 |
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| MinceR | ...but it will still be slow, unreliable and incompatible. | Feb 20 20:53 |
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| MinceR | ;) | Feb 20 20:53 |
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| trmanco | pigs are too small, think bigger | Feb 20 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: no taskbar there. | Feb 20 20:53 |
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| trmanco | they really put in a lot of lipstick | Feb 20 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | The taskbar is autohidden on top and I never use it | Feb 20 20:53 |
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| trmanco | than what do you call that right bar? | Feb 20 20:53 |
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| trmanco | quick launch :-P | Feb 20 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | I use awn and assign apps to different desktops, then swilriling 'inside the cube with F[1-8] | Feb 20 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | *swirling | Feb 20 20:54 |
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| MinceR | 215908 <&Eiseg> did you know if you watch the Movie "Jaws" backwards, it's a movie about a shark that keeps throwing people up until they have to | Feb 20 20:54 |
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| MinceR | open a beach? | Feb 20 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: mixer, system monitor, menu | Feb 20 20:54 |
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| trmanco | ahh, ok | Feb 20 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Klipper is there too | Feb 20 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: source? | Feb 20 20:55 |
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| MinceR | OtherWorlders/#game-design | Feb 20 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Did you see the move "release of Vista"? It's about a gremlin that escapes the cell before it's ready for release and applying at immigration for a name change to "RTM" | Feb 20 20:56 |
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| MinceR | lol | Feb 20 20:56 |
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| MinceR | RTM? | Feb 20 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | Vista was made in Puerto Rico | Feb 20 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Poor working conditions | Feb 20 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | CVheap | Feb 20 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Long hours | Feb 20 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | That's where it was manufactured | Feb 20 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7 is engineered in India | Feb 20 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know where they'll make copies of it (other than torrent of that BetaVista7) | Feb 20 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Vista7... when Microsoft went so low... low enough to disribute through Pirate Bay. | Feb 20 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Next thing you know they'll release Win7.0.1 that goes to the side alley for a quickie | Feb 20 20:58 |
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| MinceR | engineered? | Feb 20 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Vista 7puts the "tras"h in trash-y Vista :-D | Feb 20 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Well, wrong word. | Feb 20 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Barfed? | Feb 20 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Emitted? | Feb 20 20:59 |
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| MinceR | closer | Feb 20 20:59 |
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| MinceR | shat | Feb 20 20:59 |
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| MinceR | vomited | Feb 20 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | "Microsoft India centre working on Windows 7 [...] "Designers and engineers at Microsoft R&D centre in India have a new mandate for development of Windows 7, the next generation operating system from Microsoft Corporation, slated for release in 2009-10. " http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/business/... | Feb 20 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Don't worry. | Feb 20 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Micrrosoft will tell us that it's because Americans are stupid | Feb 20 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Billy and Abramoff will explain this to US congress | Feb 20 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | "As many as 5,000 employees are being shown the door at Microsoft, which uses more H1-B guest-worker visas than any other U.S. company. Some employees and politicians say Microsoft should get rid of foreigners first" http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601..." | Feb 20 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is shafting EU-based staff. You'll see next week (again) | Feb 20 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | They expand in India too... globalisation and all... more hours, less benefits, etc etc. | Feb 20 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | Stupid Apple! "Whereas the OpenDocument standards are well-documented, xml-based, platform-independent and reasonably mature. So, I'm not sure why Apple wants to reinvent the wheel with their own proprietary document formats (though I have a theory, see below)." http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/c... | Feb 20 21:07 |
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| MinceR | that's easy to tell: lock-in. | Feb 20 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | What do Ballmer and Jobs have in common (other than a first name)? | Feb 20 21:10 |
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| MinceR | they're both megalomaniac sociopaths | Feb 20 21:12 |
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| MinceR | and worshipped by countless clueless idiots | Feb 20 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | I can't find the picture of jobs and ballmer with chains | Feb 20 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | It's to do with lock-in | Feb 20 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | It took a Hollywood and showed Ballmer chained by Job. VERY funny. | Feb 20 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | I can't find it, I give up. Image search is hard | Feb 20 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | But this one's something too: http://images.google.com/imgres?i... | Feb 20 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | Masnick is /brilliant/. He too found that BBC article I brought here yesterday to be utterly stupid... "Social Networking Will Kill You... Or Maybe Not" < http://techdirt.com/articles/200902... > so using a compute = "social networking" now | Feb 20 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | MAFIAA defenders see album leaked: http://techdirt.com/articles... | Feb 20 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | I like his articles, but he's using bad words. I asked him put 'scare quote' around "piracy". he reinforces propaganda vocabulary of the RIAA/MPAA. This is not crime at high seas.. | Feb 20 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | haha. "Student Arrested For Classroom Texting Wisconsin girl, 14, nabbed after refusing to stop messaging" < http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years... > | Feb 20 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Pedagogic Talibans... | Feb 20 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | She has a police record now.. a gal that's only 14... for texting at class :-) | Feb 20 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | Ballmer and Microsoft bribes.. OK. No problem there with white-collar crime... because the police is busy detaining little girls | Feb 20 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | ..I'm trying to pressure site to stop saying "open source". It's about Free software, not Open Source. Open source means all sort of things these days, including wine, energy, even sex. When open source mixes with software patents and DRM, then it's time to remember what it's all about (not just a marketing ploy). | Feb 20 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Another issue: The proposition of fighting fire with fire has become quite commonplace. I was appalled to see the Linux Foundation, for example, paying the deceptive forces of IDC for some made-up numbers in order to promote themselves. | Feb 20 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Free/open source software is partly to do with curing ills, not embracing the very same art of marketing/PR (i.e. imposed deception and spin) to our advantage. What's left is educating the public about how to interpret signals (e.g. fashionable consumption as way of life), which may prove hard because of how children are raised. If only more sites did good, not did 'busine$$'... | Feb 20 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | BN just been cited in CNET | Feb 20 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Novell has just acquired a proprietary asset (while sacking its Linux devs) | Feb 20 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | Novell advertises a lot in IDG this week... non-Free software. | Feb 20 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | I hear that Ron Hovsepian's had an internal memo really bugged someone | Feb 20 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder what it said. | Feb 20 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | The layoffs will come next week. And I hear that "Even if they didn't lay off 25% of their work force, they did lay off 20% of their OpenSUSE team. What does that say about the company's priorities?" I hear the real number may be 20% (overall). I checked my source and it's really authentic, not a forger. | Feb 20 22:37 |
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| Balrog | Hey...they found another 'solution' for video capture | Feb 20 22:55 |
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| Balrog | but it's also based on MS silverlight D: | Feb 20 22:55 |
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| Balrog | anyways, I'll be around later | Feb 20 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | :-( | Feb 20 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Silver Lie.. | Feb 20 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | I was just doing a post about it. | Feb 20 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Source re: Novell's latest buyout: "That's interesting, but I _suspect_ they'll have bigger stuff to announce. What the heck, I'll post a speculative piece [..] on what I suspect is in the works." | Feb 20 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Big news coming fro Novell soon. Can you feel it? | Feb 20 23:06 |
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| twitter | Vista, can also spell Stavi. I thought it sounded cool, like fake Russian or something. http://www.google.com/search?q=stavi&i... | Feb 20 23:23 |
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| twitter | first hit is visually impaired people. | Feb 20 23:23 |
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| twitter | Blind. Appropriate but nothing to make fun with. | Feb 20 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | "Stavi Ballmer.. don't press ze button..." http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-conte... | Feb 20 23:24 |
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| twitter | Something crawling up on you, http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseactio... | Feb 20 23:25 |
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| twitter | specifically, http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/66... | Feb 20 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | The nice thing about MIB is that if you link to an image in IRC, then it renders an image in the Web-based IRC client | Feb 20 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Xchat just displays a URL, not a thumbnail. | Feb 20 23:26 |
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| twitter | that might be nice .... | Feb 20 23:26 |
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| twitter | "I was appalled to see the Linux Foundation, for example, paying the deceptive forces of IDC for some made-up numbers in order to promote themselves." Oh, now that's bad if they really did it. Lies discredit, they never help. | Feb 20 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | Search BN for it... I wrote a lot about it with the details. They even hire the anti-Linux henchman, Al Gillen | Feb 20 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | IDC is about the manufacturing of 'adverts' to clients, custom-tailored based on needs | Feb 20 23:36 |
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| benJIman | Heh at recent linuxhaters post. | Feb 20 23:38 |
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| oiaohm | That idea of drawing a eye path on the gui is a good one. | Feb 20 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | Not a new one..? | Feb 20 23:43 |
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| oiaohm | The way he did it. | Feb 20 23:43 |
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| oiaohm | Hand drawn on. | Feb 20 23:43 |
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| oiaohm | Yes there is a new Linuxhater post anti SUSE. | Feb 20 23:45 |
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| oiaohm | Sometimes the haters do come up with good thing for development by there actions. | Feb 20 23:47 |
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| oiaohm | Ok there pure hate out wieghs it most of the time. | Feb 20 23:47 |
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| benJIman | http://gonzalo.name/blog/archive/Mo... <- We might actually start to be able to migrate .net hosting from windows to linux soon \o/ | Feb 20 23:49 |
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| oiaohm | Its still why be running .net sites in the first place. | Feb 20 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: your picture here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/20/slack... | Feb 20 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, exactly. | Feb 20 23:51 |
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| oiaohm | Its not like php is a poor releation. It the most dominate web platform. | Feb 20 23:51 |
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| Balrog | yeah, SL sucks. | Feb 20 23:52 |
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| oiaohm | Also php does not suffer from Windows updates to .net stuffing up browser compadiblity. | Feb 20 23:52 |
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| Balrog | doesn't even do x-platform a lot | Feb 20 23:52 |
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| oiaohm | Secound life internally does not run .net | Feb 20 23:53 |
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| oiaohm | Only the clone of it does. | Feb 20 23:53 |
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| Balrog | well, unfortunately, it sucks to rewrite all that .net code into PHP or one of the alternatives | Feb 20 23:53 |
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| oiaohm | So days of asp2php is needed again. | Feb 20 23:53 |
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| oiaohm | Major reason why hosters like php over .net is they can audit it themself simply. | Feb 20 23:54 |
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| Balrog | yeah. Someone I know said .... | Feb 20 23:55 |
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| Balrog | "again, try code maintenance with .net first..... its a developer's dream man" | Feb 20 23:55 |
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| oiaohm | Audit | Feb 20 23:55 |
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| oiaohm | Not code maintenance. | Feb 20 23:55 |
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| Balrog | and "try web development in both php and http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://asp.net and then get back to me on what's easier or better for interoperability" | Feb 20 23:56 |
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| Balrog | it was a facebook convo so don't worry about that link | Feb 20 23:56 |
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| Balrog | in any case, the better sites I see use php or some other open platform | Feb 20 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* "Subject: my letter to suse community [...] Dear Suse Community, | Feb 20 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | Please get out of there as soon as possible. | Feb 20 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | Thank you very much, | Feb 20 23:56 |
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| schestowitz | A Linux user. " | Feb 20 23:56 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: where? | Feb 20 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | Source: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l... | Feb 20 23:57 |
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| oiaohm | Problem is I have used ASP.net | Feb 20 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | Here is the LunuxHaters post, "Just let it die, please" < http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2009/02/ju... > | Feb 20 23:57 |
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| oiaohm | I am back on PHP becuase its simpler. | Feb 20 23:58 |
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| Balrog | oiaohm: is asp.net better for interoperability or easier | Feb 20 23:58 |
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| oiaohm | Ammount of prebuilt code of PHP is insane. | Feb 20 23:58 |
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| Balrog | ? | Feb 20 23:58 |
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| Balrog | I don't think so....? | Feb 20 23:58 |
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| oiaohm | interoperablity with what. | Feb 20 23:58 |
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| oiaohm | Again. | Feb 20 23:58 |
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| Balrog | browsers, I guess. | Feb 20 23:59 |
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| oiaohm | If you want interoperablity with every web browser out there. | Feb 20 23:59 |
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| oiaohm | You need direct control of what is sent to the browser from time to time. | Feb 20 23:59 |
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| Balrog | though I'd dispute that. | Feb 20 23:59 |
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| oiaohm | PHP provides that. | Feb 20 23:59 |
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| oiaohm | With out it new browser released something broken you cannot fix. | Feb 20 23:59 |
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