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| oiaohm | MinceR the problem with patents you lose you may not get another chance. | Apr 23 12:11 |
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| oiaohm | Open source world is keeping on hitting them. | Apr 23 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Arm based hardware will be another hit. | Apr 23 12:11 |
| MinceR | i'd like to hit them with arm-based "hardware" ;) | Apr 23 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Its picking the right thing to hit them with. | Apr 23 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Hit them with the wrong thing they may come out of it stronger. | Apr 23 12:16 |
| schestowitz | gtg bbl | Apr 23 12:16 |
| oiaohm | MS is getting more aggressive because they are getting more worried. | Apr 23 12:28 |
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| trmanco | Ubuntu 9.04 has been released | Apr 23 13:54 |
| trmanco | the ubuntu site is being hammered | Apr 23 13:55 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, in a quest for ms documents , i found a cool thing on adobe | Apr 23 14:10 |
| zer0c00l | :P | Apr 23 14:10 |
| trmanco | wow, linuxjournal RT'd one of my dents | Apr 23 14:11 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, adobe is too like ms | Apr 23 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Both are pure software companies. | Apr 23 14:12 |
| oiaohm | There are limited ways for them to make profit. | Apr 23 14:12 |
| zer0c00l | oiaohm, yes | Apr 23 14:14 |
| zer0c00l | oiaohm, they threatened educational institutions of audit | Apr 23 14:15 |
| zer0c00l | and forced they to buy their software | Apr 23 14:15 |
| zer0c00l | them | Apr 23 14:20 |
| zer0c00l | *them | Apr 23 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Really does not matter long term. | Apr 23 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Most pure software companies are finding it hard. | Apr 23 14:21 |
| zer0c00l | oiaohm, their traditional software model is dying | Apr 23 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Orcale has made a great move. | Apr 23 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Pure software changing to a solution provider. | Apr 23 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Of course IBM kinda worked that out long ago. | Apr 23 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Users want solutions not software as such. | Apr 23 14:37 |
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| mib_072gjt | hello roy ,I m seller_liar | Apr 23 14:45 |
| mib_072gjt | a alternative to secondlife is smalltalk's cobalt project | Apr 23 14:46 |
| mib_072gjt | http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Cobalt | Apr 23 14:46 |
| mib_072gjt | katapult can be a good alternative for gnome do | Apr 23 14:48 |
| mib_072gjt | gnome do alternatives | Apr 23 14:50 |
| mib_072gjt | http://floatingsun.net/2007/12/06/... | Apr 23 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 23 15:00 |
| schestowitz | I got back | Apr 23 15:00 |
| schestowitz | seller: can you add the URLs to the Wiki? | Apr 23 15:00 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, check your mail please | Apr 23 15:02 |
| zer0c00l | Sun Announces New MySQL, Michael Widenius Forks: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.p... | Apr 23 15:03 |
| zer0c00l | http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/dow... | Apr 23 15:06 |
| zer0c00l | it | Apr 23 15:06 |
| zer0c00l | ubuntu 9.04 is not LTS | Apr 23 15:07 |
| zer0c00l | updates upto 2010 | Apr 23 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Yup :-) | Apr 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 23 15:10 |
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| schestowitz | What might Oracle do with/to JavaFX? | Apr 23 15:22 |
| trmanco | I'm wrting about Ubuntu | Apr 23 15:25 |
| trmanco | :) | Apr 23 15:25 |
| schestowitz | I think people know it's out !! :-) | Apr 23 15:32 |
| schestowitz | All clear for Google Street View http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/... | Apr 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Is it just me who finds it disturbing that Obama's admin calls many people "Czars"? This is still democracy? http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1... | Apr 23 15:35 |
| trmanco | in portuguese | Apr 23 15:36 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure Portugal knows about it too | Apr 23 15:36 |
| trmanco | most of my traffic come from brazil, it should be morning there | Apr 23 15:36 |
| trmanco | comes* | Apr 23 15:36 |
| trmanco | afternoon, something like that | Apr 23 15:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prospotlight.com/pro/twinpea... Obama To Name Melissa Hathaway Cybersecurity Chief | Apr 23 15:36 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: interesting, i never thought about that | Apr 23 15:37 |
| schestowitz | The origin of Portuguese is not the largest nation that speaks it. Same with English, which Americans warped. | Apr 23 15:37 |
| trmanco | yep | Apr 23 15:37 |
| trmanco | and Brazil has more foss activity then portugal | Apr 23 15:38 |
| trmanco | last time a wrote about Ubuntu, that was the 8.10 release back in october, I got on the 31th more then 800 uniques | Apr 23 15:39 |
| trmanco | I normally receive about 300 per day | Apr 23 15:39 |
| schestowitz | There are many Free (libre) PDF readers. "Stop using Adobe Acrobat Reader" < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... > | Apr 23 15:39 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: sounds like quite a mania | Apr 23 15:40 |
| trmanco | :-p | Apr 23 15:40 |
| trmanco | I'm sort of being hammered right now | Apr 23 15:40 |
| trmanco | >> There are a total of 36 Users online now: 1 Member, 32 Guests and 3 Bots. | Apr 23 15:41 |
| trmanco | this isn't normal | Apr 23 15:41 |
| zer0c00l | LOL, seems like people are storming to download ubuntu some one advised me "don't download now i am getting only 42 kbps " | Apr 23 15:44 |
| mib_072gjt | Bosnia mirror is good | Apr 23 15:45 |
| schestowitz | No torrents? | Apr 23 15:45 |
| mib_072gjt | no | Apr 23 15:45 |
| schestowitz | The MAFIAA is criminalising torrents | Apr 23 15:46 |
| mib_072gjt | because of pirate bay takeover , mafiaa thinks is the king of world | Apr 23 15:46 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, yes there are torrents | Apr 23 15:51 |
| trmanco | I've seen dent's on identi.ca stating that the download speeds were great | Apr 23 15:52 |
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| zer0c00l | trmanco, you have link? | Apr 23 16:00 |
| zer0c00l | to that torrent file? | Apr 23 16:00 |
| trmanco | zer0c00l, give me a a minute | Apr 23 16:00 |
| trmanco | http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/200... | Apr 23 16:01 |
| zer0c00l | trmanco, thanks | Apr 23 16:01 |
| trmanco | http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ | Apr 23 16:02 |
| *Eruaran waits for the lights to go out at #ubuntu+1 | Apr 23 16:08 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Apr 23 16:18 |
| trmanco | hello | Apr 23 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04... < Does Microsoft Use Extortion to Sign MOUs? | Apr 23 16:22 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz, nice post ;) | Apr 23 16:26 |
| trmanco | Vista keeps BSOD all the time - Blue screen - any ideas?: http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursuppor... | Apr 23 16:29 |
| trmanco | haha | Apr 23 16:29 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: thanks. | Apr 23 16:30 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: short and to the point | Apr 23 16:30 |
| schestowitz | This enables me to do more posts and get the points across quickly to the impatient (me included ;- ) ). | Apr 23 16:31 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: could use help though | Apr 23 16:31 |
| schestowitz | We have many antitrust/smoking gun posts | Apr 23 16:31 |
| schestowitz | We have no index for them. At one stage we'll have pages in the Wiki about that. | Apr 23 16:31 |
| zer0c00l | :) | Apr 23 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | I could use help.3 ladies offered help, but in another area. | Apr 23 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw has good indexes | Apr 23 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Ones I can refer to as a research resource | Apr 23 16:32 |
| zer0c00l | i can help schestowitz | Apr 23 16:33 |
| zer0c00l | but i have exams coming on may 6 and 7 will be free after may 20 :) | Apr 23 16:34 |
| zer0c00l | i have just completed my course | Apr 23 16:34 |
| zer0c00l | will be leaving the school soon | Apr 23 16:34 |
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| trmanco | http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.4/changes.html | Apr 23 16:36 |
| trmanco | GCC 4.4 has been released | Apr 23 16:36 |
| Balrog | cool. | Apr 23 16:36 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: I will do lots later in the year on BN... | Apr 23 16:36 |
| trmanco | Module: gnote | Apr 23 16:37 |
| trmanco | Version: 0.2.0 | Apr 23 16:37 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: let's coordinate when it clears up | Apr 23 16:37 |
| trmanco | gnote 0.2.0 has also been released | Apr 23 16:37 |
| schestowitz | url? | Apr 23 16:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I want to promote it | Apr 23 16:37 |
| Balrog | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blo... | Apr 23 16:37 |
| trmanco | Balrog, that was fast :-P | Apr 23 16:37 |
| Balrog | ;) | Apr 23 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Has Already Decided: Google is Dirty, Microsoft is Clean http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/... | Apr 23 16:43 |
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| trmanco | brb, going to study some math | Apr 23 16:52 |
| schestowitz | GNOME may be getting rid of Mono, eventually. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... | Apr 23 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how screwed up kids would be with literature if they were raised only with a hexadecimal system | Apr 23 17:01 |
| Omar87 | So, should we be worried about OO.o after Oracle has swallowed Sun? | Apr 23 17:09 |
| Balrog | GNOME won't get rid of Mono | Apr 23 17:14 |
| Balrog | Linux distros probably will, though | Apr 23 17:15 |
| Balrog | (remember, de Icaza started GNOME) | Apr 23 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: I know. | Apr 23 17:25 |
| schestowitz | That may change | Apr 23 17:25 |
| schestowitz | it's free software | Apr 23 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Ownership doesn't work that way | Apr 23 17:25 |
| Balrog | I hope so, but I'm afraid not. Though probably GNOME will not allow Mono to become an integral part... | Apr 23 17:25 |
| Balrog | that has practical problems, btw | Apr 23 17:26 |
| trmanco | back | Apr 23 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: that's why gnote is so important | Apr 23 17:27 |
| schestowitz | search BN for background on Tomboy | Apr 23 17:27 |
| schestowitz | It's not yet another Mono project | Apr 23 17:27 |
| schestowitz | See its role in GNOME! | Apr 23 17:28 |
| Balrog | "GCC now supports optimizing for the Cortex-A9, Cortex-R4 and Cortex-R4F processors and has many other improvements to optimization for ARM processors" | Apr 23 17:29 |
| Balrog | yes, I understand about gnote. Of course some say it's not good to have such a fork, but why should I have these large, slow Mono libraries just to run Tomboy? | Apr 23 17:30 |
| Balrog | hmmmm | Apr 23 17:33 |
| Balrog | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?... | Apr 23 17:33 |
| Balrog | "Researchers Show How To Take Control of Windows 7" | Apr 23 17:33 |
| Balrog | 'There's no fix for this. It cannot be fixed. It's a design problem,' | Apr 23 17:33 |
| Balrog | but it does require physical access | Apr 23 17:33 |
| trmanco | bloated piece of crap | Apr 23 17:34 |
| Balrog | trmanco: win7 or mono, are you referring to? | Apr 23 17:35 |
| trmanco | well, both | Apr 23 17:35 |
| Balrog | heh yeah. | Apr 23 17:35 |
| Balrog | it's annoying though that I sometimes have to use small utilities that are written for windows in .NET ... and that requires mono :( | Apr 23 17:36 |
| schestowitz | All good points, Balrog | Apr 23 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 was found hijackable 3 times before | Apr 23 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Ones that I could think of | Apr 23 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Months apart | Apr 23 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I'll see if I can find the records of this | Apr 23 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I really do believe that Novell might be sold this year (but it's hard to guess who to): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/2... | Apr 23 17:37 |
| Balrog | yeah :( | Apr 23 17:37 |
| trmanco | Gnote 0.2.0 released : http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu... | Apr 23 17:37 |
| Balrog | interesting that Sun was sold but Novell wasn't... | Apr 23 17:38 |
| trmanco | text got a little messed up | Apr 23 17:38 |
| trmanco | he | Apr 23 17:38 |
| trmanco | the doc already replied | Apr 23 17:38 |
| trmanco | Sender: Doctor Smith <> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:43:33 +0100, Tony Manco wrote: | Apr 23 17:39 |
| trmanco | > What is Gnote? | Apr 23 17:39 |
| trmanco | Linux slopware. | Apr 23 17:39 |
| trmanco | Apr 23 17:39 | |
| trmanco | > Gnote is a experimental port of Tomboy to C++ | Apr 23 17:39 |
| trmanco | TomBoy is much better. | Apr 23 17:39 |
| trmanco | what an idiot | Apr 23 17:39 |
| zer0c00l | http://arun-sag.blogspot.com/2009/04/ho... my post :P | Apr 23 17:40 |
| Balrog | at the moment, Tomboy is more stable and has more features. But Tomboy has been around for a long time, while Gnote just came out a couple of weeks ago | Apr 23 17:40 |
| trmanco | yeah, but how can something "non-native" can be better than a "native" app | Apr 23 17:40 |
| trmanco | if you know what I mean | Apr 23 17:40 |
| Balrog | I know what you mean, but I'm talking about overall user experience | Apr 23 17:41 |
| trmanco | mono works like a VM right? like java | Apr 23 17:41 |
| Balrog | give Gnote some time and it will quickly surpass Tomboy | Apr 23 17:41 |
| trmanco | of course it will :-P | Apr 23 17:41 |
| Balrog | yes, that's how mono works. Otherwise I couldn't run a CLI .NET program (from Windows) by typing 'mono ./program.exe <args>' | Apr 23 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | IBM supports ODF, not OOXML (new Microsoft FUD rebutted): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/2... | Apr 23 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: gnote will have anything that tomboy has | Apr 23 18:02 |
| schestowitz | It's a matter of porting/translation | Apr 23 18:02 |
| schestowitz | It's not a catchup; it overrides Tomboy. | Apr 23 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I wish 'hub' luck | Apr 23 18:03 |
| schestowitz | He devalues the crown jewel of the company which sacked him | Apr 23 18:03 |
| trmanco | some more mirrors http://www.ubuntu.com/getubunt... | Apr 23 18:03 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo '"During the United States v. Microsoft trial, some evidence was presented that Microsoft had tried to use the Web Services Interoperability organization as a means to stifle competition included e-mails in which top executives including Bill Gates referred to the WS-I using the codename "foo".' | Apr 23 18:05 |
| Balrog | yes... | Apr 23 18:07 |
| trmanco | another piece of software moves to Git -> http://www.gimpusers.com/news/2009-0... | Apr 23 18:10 |
| Balrog | trmanco: Adium for mac moved from svn to Mercurial last week | Apr 23 18:10 |
| trmanco | mozilla uses mercurial IIRC | Apr 23 18:10 |
| trmanco | I never have tried mercurial though, only have used bzr and git | Apr 23 18:11 |
| Balrog | OK. I hear they used it because git has some problems | Apr 23 18:12 |
| Balrog | (but they do unconventional things in their repo.) | Apr 23 18:12 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 23 18:13 |
| trmanco | what kind of problems? | Apr 23 18:13 |
| Balrog | stuff related to filesystems | Apr 23 18:14 |
| Balrog | also some fo the developers don't like is | Apr 23 18:14 |
| Balrog | it * | Apr 23 18:14 |
| Balrog | http://adiumx.com/blog/2... | Apr 23 18:14 |
| trmanco | http://www.w3.org/News/2009#item61 | Apr 23 18:15 |
| Balrog | "It would be helpful for interoperability if all browsers could support the same codecs. However, there are no known codecs that satisfy all the current players: we need a codec that is known to not require per-unit or per-distributor licensing, that is compatible with the open source development model, that is of sufficient quality as to be usable, and that is not an additional submarine patent risk for large companies. This is an ongoing issu | Apr 23 18:16 |
| Balrog | " | Apr 23 18:16 |
| Balrog | Pidgin uses monotone for VCS | Apr 23 18:18 |
| Balrog | monotone is not fun to work with :( | Apr 23 18:19 |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/Linux-cach... | Apr 23 18:19 |
| trmanco | Linux cache poisoning attacks easier than on Windows? | Apr 23 18:19 |
| trmanco | oh buy wait -> Root privileges are needed to execute the attack. | Apr 23 18:19 |
| trmanco | but* | Apr 23 18:20 |
| trmanco | more microsoft fud | Apr 23 18:20 |
| Balrog | does it work? | Apr 23 18:20 |
| Balrog | looks like a CPU bug .... | Apr 23 18:20 |
| Balrog | also it only affects VM's | Apr 23 18:21 |
| trmanco | I have no idea | Apr 23 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Heise is not very MS-sensitive | Apr 23 18:32 |
| schestowitz | So I'd hold off the "MS FUD" before looking closelty | Apr 23 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Who are the 'researchers' (posers)? | Apr 23 18:32 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, anonymous | Apr 23 18:33 |
| trmanco | I wasn't saying that heise was spreading fud, I know it's a reliable source for now | Apr 23 18:33 |
| trmanco | An anonymous security expert on the Microsoft Subnet blog has published sample code for a cache poisoning attack on Linux. | Apr 23 18:33 |
| trmanco | and it's only on intel based chips | Apr 23 18:34 |
| trmanco | and you need root, so wtf | Apr 23 18:35 |
| Balrog | it's a chip bug. You could do the same on windows | Apr 23 18:35 |
| trmanco | yeah, they are also saying it's harder on windows | Apr 23 18:35 |
| trmanco | but they don't say why | Apr 23 18:35 |
| Balrog | because there's no /dev/mtrr on windows | Apr 23 18:36 |
| trmanco | Was The Pirate Bay Judge Biased?: http://mashable.com/2009/04/23/... | Apr 23 18:37 |
| trmanco | here neither | Apr 23 18:37 |
| trmanco | I'm I being lucky? | Apr 23 18:37 |
| PetoKraus | i'm just reading that | Apr 23 18:37 |
| trmanco | am I* | Apr 23 18:37 |
| PetoKraus | i actually just wanted to post the torrentfreak link | Apr 23 18:38 |
| Balrog | I already read it. It was on slashdot | Apr 23 18:38 |
| PetoKraus | http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-... | Apr 23 18:38 |
| trmanco | ah | Apr 23 18:38 |
| PetoKraus | it's interesting news | Apr 23 18:38 |
| trmanco | yes | Apr 23 18:38 |
| trmanco | I haven't got to torrentfreak yet | Apr 23 18:38 |
| Balrog | heh yeah. corruption | Apr 23 18:38 |
| trmanco | my feeds are ordered alphabetically | Apr 23 18:38 |
| Omar87 | Hey guys, you gotta check this out: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.co... | Apr 23 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 Security “Cannot be Fixed. It’s a Design Problem.” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/vis... thanks, Balrog | Apr 23 18:42 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I tweeted Balrog 's link | Apr 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | RIAA was caught reappointing judges befoire | Apr 23 18:43 |
| schestowitz | IOW tilting a trial | Apr 23 18:43 |
| schestowitz | By choosing a decider | Apr 23 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Very cxorrupt | Apr 23 18:43 |
| schestowitz | But hey, it's the MAFIAA. They didn't earn this name for no reason. | Apr 23 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: thanks | Apr 23 18:45 |
| schestowitz | It's a WIndows oriented Web site... :"I’d really like to get a netbook, but I’m not ready to jump to Linux yet and the thought of buying a 2009 computer running a 2001 operating system just doesn’t seem right to me. " | Apr 23 18:45 |
| schestowitz | I think Microsoft shill Ou runs/ran it | Apr 23 18:45 |
| trmanco | Windows Trojan That Infected Over 3.6 Million PCs Evolves with Worm Behavior: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-... | Apr 23 18:45 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah, true. | Apr 23 18:51 |
| trmanco | Mono and FAT: http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/141 | Apr 23 18:51 |
| trmanco | here is the post he was referring to -> http://www.lamalex.net/2009/04/i-eat... | Apr 23 18:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I just wonder, why the hell do I keep reading/hearing this sentence everywhere? "I'm not ready to switch to Linux..'BLAH BLAH BLAH' ", It always makes me feel as though Linux was proposing to marry them. :) | Apr 23 18:53 |
| Balrog | what abou wubi...? | Apr 23 18:53 |
| Balrog | people don't need to ditch windows to use linux | Apr 23 18:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: my ref t RMS is used there | Apr 23 18:54 |
| schestowitz | So maybe it's inspired by BN | Apr 23 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yeah, true. | Apr 23 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I'm not ready=I'm lazy to learn | Apr 23 18:54 |
| schestowitz | I doubt they even tried | Apr 23 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Many tossed a live cd and gave it a whirl | Apr 23 18:55 |
| Omar87 | It really sounds like when a man comes to woman saying: "Would you marry me?", and then she says: "No, sorry, I'm not yet ready for marriage.." | Apr 23 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yeah :-) | Apr 23 18:55 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: lol, :D. | Apr 23 18:55 |
| Balrog | lol | Apr 23 18:56 |
| schestowitz | A bit like me and snowboarding | Apr 23 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Went back to skiing after one day of trying (and a sore thumb) | Apr 23 18:58 |
| trmanco | More speed to come from the first Firefox 3.6 alpha: http://www.betanews.com/article/More-s... | Apr 23 18:59 |
| schestowitz | This is good: http://www.theregister.co.uk... EMC became a shill for Microsoft... with Tucci | Apr 23 19:02 |
| trmanco | Intel Said to Face Fine, Rebate Ban in EU Decision: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=n... | Apr 23 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's results are out in 3 hours | Apr 23 19:02 |
| trmanco | I little old... you might have seen it already | Apr 23 19:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: not enough | Apr 23 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Intel should not be fined | Apr 23 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It should be banned | Apr 23 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Embargoed from Europe | Apr 23 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Only this way it might learn to stop its crimes | Apr 23 19:03 |
| trmanco | well, ban microsoft too | Apr 23 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I read in the UKian press that they still work on the draft of the ruling | Apr 23 19:03 |
| schestowitz | So it's factual | Apr 23 19:03 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: that too was proposed (MS ban) | Apr 23 19:03 |
| schestowitz | A German MP raised it | Apr 23 19:03 |
| schestowitz | It was neglected | Apr 23 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has too many cronies to stay in no matter how much crime it commits (e.g. OOXML at the time) | Apr 23 19:04 |
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| trmanco | We fight | Apr 23 19:06 |
| trmanco | One bot-infected PC = 600,000 spam messages a day: http://www.computerworld.com/action/art... | Apr 23 19:07 |
| trmanco | wow | Apr 23 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is using it's 'news' turf to attack Android ("msnbc.com"): http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30313661 Android at six months: A one-phone pony | Apr 23 19:10 |
| trmanco | ... | Apr 23 19:11 |
| trmanco | real people don't take that site serious :-P | Apr 23 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Steve Wozniak: "I'm very sympathetic to the whole idea; Linux people always think the way I want to think." http://lifehacker.com/5222989/how-appl... | Apr 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | "darkfox @schestowitz iPhone OS at two years: A one-phone pony." | Apr 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I'm not sure they can make the distinction | Apr 23 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Many people still watch Fox because "it's what's there on TV" | Apr 23 19:16 |
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| MinceR | strange | Apr 23 19:21 |
| MinceR | earlier Wozniak said it was all about getting stuff for free | Apr 23 19:21 |
| MinceR | and how he hated it | Apr 23 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Defaced with spam: http://www.thinkdigit.com/details... | Apr 23 19:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Apr 23 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he pretends now | Apr 23 19:23 |
| schestowitz | He advises for a company that might be using lots of Linux now | Apr 23 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Head of FSF just mailed me... | Apr 23 19:35 |
| Balrog | important stuff ......? | Apr 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmm :-( http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/on... | Apr 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Some people think about a OOo Foundation already | Apr 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: no, not important | Apr 23 19:37 |
| Balrog | ok. | Apr 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | They set up something news | Apr 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | *new | Apr 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | new image in ubuntu 9.04 page: http://www.ubuntu.com/files/buttons/b... | Apr 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | I can't help giggling when I see this chap because of that old picture of 2 dudes with something like "I like Ubuntu" | Apr 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | I'll treat Ubuntu release like news people are already tired of. I'll just post links to reviews | Apr 23 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Short story, re FSF | Apr 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | They set up a new advertising network. I am very interested and they chose to contact me (FSF president). This solution was needed; it's about time. With AdSense we earn just enough to pay hosting (and a little more). | Apr 23 19:41 |
| schestowitz | They don't yet plan on announcing this until they have a number of sites signed up. | Apr 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | So I want say the names... | Apr 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Raja Koduri is leaving ATI < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... > | Apr 23 19:43 |
| Balrog | ok. | Apr 23 19:44 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: flash 9 crashes a lot on this linux machin | Apr 23 19:45 |
| Balrog | machine * | Apr 23 19:45 |
| Balrog | it just fails to work after a while | Apr 23 19:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/storie... (Dell sued by city of New Orleans over crime cameras) | Apr 23 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I try to use Ogg | Apr 23 19:45 |
| Balrog | yes, I know... | Apr 23 19:46 |
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| Balrog | did you look into making a long video directory that's excluded from backups? | Apr 23 19:46 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: re Zuck: "He used to be a VB coding hack who did roadshows with Microsoft back in the early 90s. " http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php... | Apr 23 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I haven't, no.. | Apr 23 19:48 |
| Balrog | ok ... | Apr 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | There are AstroTurfers in LinuxToday | Apr 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | "Ubuntu 9.04: Nothing Short of Amazing [...] Such a wonderful release couldn’t have come at a better time." http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=286 | Apr 23 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: your missus is coming back: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0... | Apr 23 20:02 |
| MinceR | he's not my "missus" | Apr 23 20:02 |
| MinceR | he's just a plain liar and criminal. | Apr 23 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Oh... errr... wrong URL :-D | Apr 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Still, better than seeing billg becoming state cio or us fuhrer | Apr 23 20:04 |
| MinceR | it would only reduce the signal propagation delay. | Apr 23 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Apr 23 20:04 |
| Balrog | oh ... python is using mercurial (http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news... rather-old news) | Apr 23 20:04 |
| schestowitz | here's a business model | Apr 23 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Experts: Malicious program targets Macs < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH... > | Apr 23 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Time to unsubscibe from CNN. Not healthy feeding them.... | Apr 23 20:06 |
| schestowitz | They also have a new arrangement | Apr 23 20:06 |
| schestowitz | CNN is dying online | Apr 23 20:06 |
| schestowitz | So they now import articles from CNET (Paul Allen, CBS,, et al) | Apr 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | They also have a prominent column to MS lackey (and MVP) Chris pirillo | Apr 23 20:07 |
| Balrog | heh. if you download and run untrusted code on any system, that's going to happen | Apr 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | So CNN becomes some aggregator to MS-influenced mouths. | Apr 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | They NEVER cover FOSS or Linux in their tech section | Apr 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Never | Apr 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: exactly | Apr 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | With Microsoft, you needn't do anythingf | Apr 23 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Like an open port screaming "rape me" | Apr 23 20:08 |
| schestowitz | RPC | Apr 23 20:08 |
| Balrog | (in the case of the Mac botnet, it's pirated iWork and Photoshop with trojans planted into the installers) | Apr 23 20:08 |
| Balrog | heh yeah. absolutely | Apr 23 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Animated cussors | Apr 23 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Affecting Vista too BTW | Apr 23 20:08 |
| schestowitz | *cursors | Apr 23 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: the program just does what it's supposed to do | Apr 23 20:08 |
| Balrog | yes. | Apr 23 20:08 |
| schestowitz | You run an executable that say, "let me have you" | Apr 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | *says | Apr 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Or you could run a script (.sh) with rm -rf | Apr 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | COULD | Apr 23 20:09 |
| Balrog | except that you don't know it's there. But that could happen with Linux (if someone got access to a default repo ...) | Apr 23 20:09 |
| Balrog | rm -rf isn't what they care for anymore... | Apr 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | It won't replicate itself, either | Apr 23 20:09 |
| Balrog | more like install botnet software. | Apr 23 20:09 |
| MinceR | afaik osx has very few mechanics to make exploiting vulnerabilities more difficult though | Apr 23 20:09 |
| Balrog | yes, that's very difficuly | Apr 23 20:09 |
| MinceR | address space randomization and such | Apr 23 20:09 |
| MinceR | even windows has more of those, afaik | Apr 23 20:10 |
| MinceR | s/nics/nisms/ | Apr 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: safari and quicktime have holes | Apr 23 20:10 |
| Balrog | MinceR: yes, ASR isn't too good in 10.5; 10.6 has it done pretty well | Apr 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Some are Windows-targetting | Apr 23 20:10 |
| Balrog | also Quicktime is totally being rewritten from the ground up | Apr 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat randomises too | Apr 23 20:10 |
| MinceR | maybe they could steal such stuff from WideOpenBSD ;) | Apr 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Schneir wrote about it ages ago | Apr 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Vista still gets it WRONG | Apr 23 20:10 |
| Balrog | I don't know. BSD doesn't use Mach-O executable format and the dyld runtime-linker | Apr 23 20:11 |
| Balrog | (dynamic linker *) | Apr 23 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Dennis Fisher, August 7th, 2008: "Two security researchers have developed a new technique that essentially bypasses all of the memory protection safeguards in the Windows Vista operating system..." | Apr 23 20:11 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/04... | Apr 23 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Adobe's bad behaviour in education: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/ad... | Apr 23 20:48 |
| schestowitz | "NEPOMUK and Strigi do not work in the vast majority of Linux distributions. We'll see why, and how we can fix that. " http://rudd-o.com/en/linux-and-free... | Apr 23 21:06 |
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| amarsh04 | funny, nepomuk works on Debian, even under KDE 3.5.X | Apr 23 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, took me by surprise too (that remark) | Apr 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Bruce Perens publishes new works in his Web site now: http://perens.com/works/articles/MorganHill/ | Apr 23 21:29 |
| schestowitz | What's w/ this pretense that Debian is dying? "Will Debian survive the rise of Linux?" < http://debaira.blogspot.com/2009/04/will-d... > | Apr 23 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Diskeeper Considering Linux, Mac OS X Defrag Software < http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/23/diskeep... > Doctor makes up disease to sell potion. | Apr 23 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Matt Cutts Talks About Ubuntu 9.04 Speed And Bugs < http://www.lockergnome.com/linux/2009/... > "Ubuntu is definitely ready for anyone who wants to learn to use it. " | Apr 23 21:37 |
| schestowitz | MSFT results out any moments now... | Apr 23 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Blasts kill 78 in Iraq's bloodiest day in a year < http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/... > Time to quite Iraq already. | Apr 23 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's results are quite horrific: http://www.reuters.com/article/marke... http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/04/... http://blog.seattlepi.com/micr... | Apr 23 21:42 |
| schestowitz | IDG slogging Linux, still: http://www.itworld.com/operating-system... | Apr 23 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Wait... this guy actually is *in* Debian, I think.. http://debaira.blogspot.com/2009/0... | Apr 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | We've begun writing a list of applications</a> that need to be removed. Don't forget mononono. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index... (500 pageviews in a day..) | Apr 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft earning are down 32 PERCENT!! | Apr 23 21:57 |
| amarsh04 | debian development pace has been fairly healthy from what I've seen running unstable on i386 and amd-64 | Apr 23 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Chairs might fly. Linux is a major cause for this. | Apr 23 21:58 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: Debian just need to be patient | Apr 23 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Same with Madnriva and others | Apr 23 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is burning itself out, so to speak | Apr 23 21:59 |
| schestowitz | It can't offer kickbacks for OEMs to stock Windows. | Apr 23 21:59 |
| schestowitz | And I've been hearing it does exactly that in Germany. | Apr 23 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Good news from X today. Xorg 1.5 - a step in the right direction < http://davidhilton.wordpress.com/2009... > | Apr 23 22:01 |
| schestowitz | The reviews that I've seen of Ubuntu 9.04 so far today are ALL positive. | Apr 23 22:01 |
| trmanco | 1.5 | Apr 23 22:02 |
| trmanco | Ubuntu ships with Xorg server 1.6 | Apr 23 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Ina Shiels: "Sign of the times: Microsoft sales drop?" | Apr 23 22:05 |
| schestowitz | They try to spin it | Apr 23 22:05 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yup | Apr 23 22:05 |
| amarsh04 | xorg server on Debian unstable is 1.6.1 | Apr 23 22:05 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 23 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I see the Microsoft shill McKrakcken (Technologizer) is now also humming about "Windows 8" | Apr 23 22:05 |
| trmanco | bleeding edge | Apr 23 22:05 |
| schestowitz | There isn't even a Windows 7 yet | Apr 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Apr 23 22:06 |
| Balrog | heh. | Apr 23 22:06 |
| trmanco | vaporware | Apr 23 22:06 |
| trmanco | how wonderful | Apr 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Let me do a quick post about Linux killing MS' margins | Apr 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | The Wintel press totally ignores this | Apr 23 22:06 |
| Balrog | heh ... <http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/23/... | Apr 23 22:07 |
| Balrog | apple approved an app they shouldn't have, it seems | Apr 23 22:08 |
| Balrog | (that's what people are saying, at least) | Apr 23 22:09 |
| MinceR | they'll just kill it remotely anyway | Apr 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Nice... http://www.sxc.hu/photo/469057 | Apr 23 22:13 |
| schestowitz | I always find what I look for in this Hungarian site | Apr 23 22:13 |
| Balrog | MinceR: I don't think they care that much to kill it remotely | Apr 23 22:14 |
| MinceR | or they'll just kill the phone remotely | Apr 23 22:14 |
| MinceR | and then claim the user violated some terms of use | Apr 23 22:14 |
| MinceR | after all most users don't really own their "phone" in any way | Apr 23 22:14 |
| Balrog | now that would be grounds for a lawsuit. | Apr 23 22:15 |
| MinceR | as if apple cared | Apr 23 22:15 |
| Balrog | after the contract expires, the user does own the phone | Apr 23 22:15 |
| Balrog | it also would be bad PR | Apr 23 22:15 |
| MinceR | they're very happy going around claiming patents on things they didn't invent and threatening to sue others for using them | Apr 23 22:15 |
| MinceR | bad pr doesn't matter in apple-land -- the fanboys believe in their god, Jobs, unquestioningly | Apr 23 22:15 |
| MinceR | and they deserve all the abuse they get | Apr 23 22:16 |
| Balrog | MinceR: apparently you don't read the forums where 'fanboys' post. Most aren't like that at all. | Apr 23 22:16 |
| MinceR | sadly i do | Apr 23 22:16 |
| MinceR | there's /., for example | Apr 23 22:16 |
| Balrog | they are some of the most picky people I see. | Apr 23 22:16 |
| MinceR | which has been overrun by that cult | Apr 23 22:16 |
| Balrog | not /. , rather apple related forums | Apr 23 22:16 |
| MinceR | well, they aren't picky enough to avoid apple crap, obviously | Apr 23 22:16 |
| Balrog | MinceR: you'd take Windows Vista over OS X, right? | Apr 23 22:17 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Apr 23 22:17 |
| MinceR | i hate both | Apr 23 22:17 |
| trmanco | MinceR, would use freebsd | Apr 23 22:17 |
| Balrog | heh. you don't have enough experience with either. | Apr 23 22:17 |
| MinceR | well, at least vista _might_ be able to run some windows-only games | Apr 23 22:17 |
| MinceR | trmanco: if there was no gnu/linux, i probably would. | Apr 23 22:18 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 23 22:18 |
| MinceR | Balrog: i have enough knowledge and experience about both. | Apr 23 22:18 |
| Balrog | no, you tried os x for a few hours. that doesn't count | Apr 23 22:19 |
| MinceR | well, how long have you used Conficker? | Apr 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Summary of what I consider to be the beginning of the end of Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/m... | Apr 23 22:21 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 23 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | ALL GOVT AGENCIES TO IMPLEMENT OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE < http://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/bnm/20... > | Apr 23 22:35 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: We've heard that many times before and unfortunately nobody yet has actually followed through. | Apr 23 22:39 |
| MinceR | zomg caps | Apr 23 22:39 |
| tessier_ | We can consider every one of those pronouncements to be propaganda, unfortunately. | Apr 23 22:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier: no, they actually DO migrate | Apr 23 22:39 |
| schestowitz | This is no illusion | Apr 23 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Several cities have already MOVED | Apr 23 22:40 |
| schestowitz | For almost a year now. They merely carry on. | Apr 23 22:40 |
| tessier_ | A city is very different from a country. But what city has moved? Did Berlin ever finish their move? | Apr 23 22:40 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I could get you the links | Apr 23 22:40 |
| schestowitz | They adopted ODF and moved to OOo fiorst | Apr 23 22:41 |
| schestowitz | They also have their localised distro :-D | Apr 23 22:41 |
| schestowitz | tessier: did you see MS' results | Apr 23 22:41 |
| schestowitz | net earnings down 32% | Apr 23 22:41 |
| schestowitz | This is no joke | Apr 23 22:41 |
| tessier_ | Yes, I did see them. What's that in terms of actual dollars? | Apr 23 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I'd have to look it up later | Apr 23 23:23 |
| tessier_ | The Redmond, Wash.-based company said sales fell 6% from a year earlier to $13.7 billion, missing analysts' expectations of $14.1 billion. | Apr 23 23:23 |
| tessier_ | ONLY 13.7 billion eh? I don't think Bill's missing any house payments just yet. | Apr 23 23:24 |
| schestowitz | That's what they CLAIM | Apr 23 23:33 |
| schestowitz | And by the formatting I guess you quite MS-obedient press | Apr 23 23:34 |
| schestowitz | They show you only the figure Microsoft wanted journalists to see. It always does this | Apr 23 23:34 |
| tessier_ | The banks did stuff like that but eventually it caught up with them when they couldn't pay their own bills and investors went running from them. | Apr 23 23:42 |
| tessier_ | So far it hasn't caught up with MS. If they are lying or mis-stating their figures it will catch up with them eventually. All ponzi schemes eventually fall. | Apr 23 23:42 |
| tessier_ | That is the news I am really looking forward to. | Apr 23 23:42 |
| schestowitz | tessier: it already came up | Apr 23 23:44 |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/20070308... | Apr 23 23:45 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: From 1999? A bit dated no? That article says all of the charges were thrown out except one which went to trial. What was the result of that trial? | Apr 23 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Apr 23 23:56 |
| schestowitz | The guy was paid $4 million | Apr 23 23:56 |
| schestowitz | The judge was convinced it was true | Apr 23 23:57 |
| schestowitz | The SEC later invetigated | Apr 23 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Didn't refute CHarlie | Apr 23 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Search BN for many more articles and info | Apr 23 23:57 |
