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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 1st, 2008

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twitter Take part in Freedom not Fear day.  http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2008/09/29… Oct 01 03:10
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MinceR geekings Oct 01 06:43
schestowitz Mornin’ Oct 01 06:43
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schestowitz On Microsoft and its ‘democracy’… http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10052352-75.h… ‘Microsoft’s “opportunity to democratize virtualization.”‘ Oct 01 11:22
schestowitz For a company that says it’s not scared — financially — this is a stretch: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10053774-5… . Possible reason: Microsoft’s Market Cap Falls $24B in 17 Days — http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corporate_… Oct 01 11:30
schestowitz Ballmer: Congress must ‘stabilize’ financial crisis … http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10054252-75.html?part… … Ballmer says Microsoft not immune from global crisis … http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080930/bs_… Oct 01 11:33
schestowitz Google passing a cushion to proprietary software: Oct 01 11:36
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-100543… Oct 01 11:36
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trmanco http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/64659.html Oct 01 14:25
schestowitz OpenLogic is sponsored by Microsoft. Oct 01 14:30
schestowitz The headline is a bit of a troll (eye-grabber) anyway. Also see http://www.google.com/search?sourceid… Oct 01 14:31
trmanco :| Oct 01 14:44
trmanco can’t trust nothing these days Oct 01 14:45
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_Doug Microsoft: Bad things happen to firms that use unlicensed Windows Oct 01 14:49
_Doug http://www.computerworld.com/action/arti… Oct 01 14:49
schestowitz trmanco: the head of OpenLogic is a Microsoft veteran. Oct 01 14:54
schestowitz _Doug: Microsoft loves ‘piracy’, but it also loves (and /NEEDS/) cash right now to please investors, short-term. Oct 01 14:55
_Doug Who is OpenLogic ? Oct 01 15:03
_Doug how does unlicensed software lead to system failures? Oct 01 15:03
_Doug “Businesses that use fully licensed software report they are growing faster” Oct 01 15:03
_Doug how does software relate to business growth, it either works or doesn’t .. Oct 01 15:04
twitter The take away message is that you can’t mix M$ and anyone else’s software. Oct 01 15:05
twitter Better get rid of your M$. Oct 01 15:05
_Doug did they include businesses that didn’t report they used ‘unlicensed software’, fearing a call from the BSA .. Oct 01 15:06
twitter Windoze calls home, M$ knows what people have. Oct 01 15:07
twitter The EULA says they will inspect any and all files on any computer running windoze, so licensed copies can spy on the unlicensed ones. Oct 01 15:08
schestowitz _Doug: Microsoft seeks compliance through fear, not action. Oct 01 15:10
schestowitz It’s the bully phase that follows. That’s where a proxy like the BSA is called in. Oct 01 15:11
_Doug “Think only the big boys can afford the best database solutions? Think again. Learn about low cost systems that have proven time and time again to outperform legacy UNIX vendors on a dollar for dollar basis” Oct 01 15:13
_Doug http://www.accelerateresults.com/category/15/article… Oct 01 15:13
_Doug Oracle on Red Hat on big hardware .. Oct 01 15:14
_Doug Scalar do a nice report .. Oct 01 15:16
schestowitz I fear that Oracle might be hawking Red Hat for a takeover. Oct 01 15:18
_Doug “Novell invites you to: The Data Center Discovery Tour 2008 ..” Oct 01 15:21
_Doug “Simplify your data center with the flexibility to seamlessly move virtual machines between Microsoft Windows and SUSE Linux Enterprise” Oct 01 15:22
_Doug “Reduce TCO by 50-70% by migrating SAP workloads from UNIX to SAP-optimised SUSE Linux Enterprise” Oct 01 15:22
_Doug “Novell® Making IT Work As One” Oct 01 15:23
_Doug This page don’t work on FF :( Oct 01 15:24
_Doug http://www.novell.com/company/strategy.html Oct 01 15:24
_Doug How did they manage that, I wonder what app they wrote it in ? Oct 01 15:25
schestowitz Really? No FF? Oct 01 15:29
schestowitz Black page indeed. Oct 01 15:30
schestowitz JS enabled… Oct 01 15:30
schestowitz Look at the source of the page. Lots of JS and Flash Oct 01 15:31
_Doug Yea, hey it works in Opera ? Oct 01 15:31
schestowitz It should really work: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozcl… Oct 01 15:31
_Doug I tried UA switcher .. no go .. Oct 01 15:31
schestowitz Works in Konqy. Oct 01 15:32
schestowitz Just Flash. Binary Web, brought to you by Novell (&Microsoft). Oct 01 15:32
schestowitz twitter: are you there? If so, can you test http://www.novell.com/company/strategy.html in Firefox please? If it doesn’t work for 3 people, I’ll post something about it. Oct 01 15:33
schestowitz Novell Recommends the IE browser… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/05/nove… Oct 01 15:34
_Doug Good Grief: boagu Oct 01 15:35
_Doug You know, it really amazes me that in late 2008, the vole is still allowed to get away with this kind of dodge .. Oct 01 15:40
_Doug Is this it Micosoft ? Oct 01 15:41
_Doug Is this the integrated innovation you’re always on about .. Oct 01 15:41
_Doug IS this a sample of the all brand-spanking-new ‘interoperability’ ? Oct 01 15:42
schestowitz You mean the Web page? Oct 01 15:42
_Doug Novells desktop don’t even work with Novells web site .. Oct 01 15:43
schestowitz Please let’s try to get it to work in FF so that the trolls in BN Novell don’t attack for false accusations. Oct 01 15:43
_Doug “you mean the Web page?” how difficult is it to get a web page to work both in IExplorer and Firefox ? Oct 01 15:44
_Doug Do Novell use their own desktop internally ? Oct 01 15:44
schestowitz Depends on the page. Oct 01 15:44
schestowitz MS won’t even support SVG, as I wrote minutes ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/01/no-oo… Oct 01 15:45
_Doug If so, how do they check out their own site, without buying software from a third company ? Oct 01 15:45
schestowitz _Doug: only /some/ people do. Oct 01 15:45
_Doug Novell are in the software business after all .. Oct 01 15:45
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_Doug schestowitz: by all means check it out and verified from a number of sources .. Oct 01 15:46
*brunomiguel hello Oct 01 15:48
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schestowitz I’ll do browsershots. Oct 01 16:03
twitter I’m here now.  Iceweasel, 3.0.1 with gnash seems to have worked.  Konqueror got a Flash error it should not have. Oct 01 16:03
schestowitz I put it on the queue :-p   http://www.novell.com/company/strategy.htm Oct 01 16:05
schestowitz http://browsershots.org/http://www.novell…. Oct 01 16:05
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schestowitz It could be something like AdBlack eliminating a whole div block. Oct 01 16:05
schestowitz *AdBlock Oct 01 16:05
twitter Links don’t work. Oct 01 16:05
twitter I get a finger but nothing happens when I push the button. Oct 01 16:08
twitter The twirling USB sticks, dudes with suitcases, computer cases and colors are all groovy, but the page does not say much. Oct 01 16:10
twitter “taking interoperability to a whole new level” dude! Oct 01 16:10
twitter Trying to test it with Mepis.  I hate the firefox wrapper script that opens up a local browser session instead of x forwarding what I want.  Is there a way around that? Oct 01 16:12
twitter This is one of many reasons I don’t use Firefox, despite all of the groovy M$ crap is half works with. Oct 01 16:13
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schestowitz Thanks. Oct 01 16:18
schestowitz I guess Flash as a whole was a bad idea. Oct 01 16:18
schestowitz Let me check the screenshots. Oct 01 16:18
schestowitz Damn. I put the wrong URL in. Oct 01 16:19
schestowitz Missing “L”. http://www.novell.com/company/strategy.html Oct 01 16:19
twitter Flunks on old version of Mepis.  FF 1.5 with Flash 7 does not even do as well as new Iceweasel.  Text does not show up, just the obnoxious spinner and half of that is missing too. Oct 01 16:24
schestowitz Mine and Doug’s just gives a black screen Oct 01 16:25
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twitter “Making IT work as one.” Oct 01 16:26
schestowitz What does that even mean? Such a cliche. Oct 01 16:27
twitter All the text is content free.  I’d like to cut and paste it but can’t. Oct 01 16:28
twitter I think it means they speak to beasts.  “Our Enterprise wide Linux, identity and Security Management, Systems Managment and Collaboration solutions easily integrate with almost any IT infrastructure.  With Novell you can lower cost, complexity and risk on virturally any platform and make your IT work as one.” Oct 01 16:30
twitter It’s so much easier to eliminate uncooperative beasts. Oct 01 16:31
_Doug Novell website: “else if(window.ActiveXObject) { // IE4+ Win32″ Oct 01 16:31
_Doug It’s all Active X .. Oct 01 16:31
schestowitz Yes, no surprise there. Oct 01 16:32
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/26/novell… Oct 01 16:32
schestowitz twitter: so did that page not work in FF? Oct 01 16:32
twitter Yeah, broken.  Details – Iceweasel gives images, links do not work.  Old FF 1.5 with Adobe Flash 7, better than the version 6 required by Konq error message, gives one image better than a black screen. Oct 01 16:36
twitter It is the suck. Oct 01 16:36
_Doug “Zope/(Zope 2.9.7-final, python 2.4.4, linux2) ZServer/1.1 Plone/2.5.3-final” Oct 01 16:36
pombat42 works fine here in ff 3.03 and Hardy. you have to allow pop-ups Oct 01 16:37
twitter Ahhhh, pop ups.  There the links work …. :) Oct 01 16:37
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twitter So, Iceweasel with gnash seems to work. Oct 01 16:38
pombat42 i missed it the first time too because my theme is dark and didn’t notice the action bar. Oct 01 16:38
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twitter I’m sadly unable to watch the work as one video http://cdn.novell.com/cached/video/2008/sales/making… Oct 01 16:39
twitter gotta run for a while. Oct 01 16:39
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_Doug Hey, it works with PopUps enabled .. :> Oct 01 16:40
schestowitz It’s a good thing that we checked. :-) Oct 01 16:41
schestowitz Was going to post “Novell’s Own Web Site Excludes Mozilla Firefox Users” Oct 01 16:41
_Doug “UNIX to Linux Migration” Oct 01 16:43
_Doug http://www.novell.com/solutions/ Oct 01 16:43
_Doug Yes, what ever you do don’t encourage people to magrate from Windows :) Oct 01 16:43
schestowitz Do they not have a page for Windows too? Oct 01 16:44
_Doug At the same time MS is encouraging Novell customers to migrate to Vista .. Oct 01 16:44
_Doug No: just a ‘Linux and Windows Interoperability’ page .. Oct 01 16:45
AVRS2 _Doug: can’t you see the Vista migration link there? ;-) Oct 01 16:45
AVRS2 “Managing Windows Vista Migration” Oct 01 16:45
AVRS2 oops Oct 01 16:45
*AVRS2 misread the from as to :| Oct 01 16:46
*AVRS2 misread the “from” as “to” :| * Oct 01 16:46
AVRS2 sorry Oct 01 16:46
schestowitz Good catch. Something to write home about.. Oct 01 16:46
_Doug Migrating to Vista, on a Novell website .. are they in the process of commiting hara-kiri Oct 01 16:47
kentma schestowitz: joe potter is gary stewart? Oct 01 16:47
_Doug Don’t they realise that when the Vista using CEO desides to upgrade his servers, he’s going to go with Microsoft ! Oct 01 16:48
schestowitz I think it’s Scott Douglas. Oct 01 16:48
schestowitz Nessuno thinks so too. Oct 01 16:48
kentma schestowitz: ah, yes, that could well be right… Oct 01 16:48
schestowitz There was a new puppet a few hours ago: “Keese” Oct 01 16:48
kentma not seen in a while.  another for the kfile… Oct 01 16:48
_Doug “Move it: the time to migrate is now .. rock solid reliability at a lower TCO than UNIX” Oct 01 16:53
_Doug “Take the TCO Challenge: Learn how SUSE, LInux Enterprise Server delivers UNIX reliability for up to 75% less|” Oct 01 16:53
_Doug http://www.novell.com/home/index.html Oct 01 16:53
_Doug NO TCO costs comparing SuSE to Vista :) Oct 01 16:53
schestowitz Of course not. Oct 01 16:53
schestowitz Without Microsoft’s cash aid, Novell might be out on the streets. Oct 01 16:53
schestowitz Got to keep the beast happy and never hungry/angry. Oct 01 16:54
_Doug Who ever at MS got them to agree not to mention VISTA TCO deserves the prize .. Oct 01 16:54
schestowitz Pictures are worth more than words: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/… Oct 01 16:54
schestowitz Novell puts the “wuss” in Winlinux Oct 01 16:56
_Doug This ‘computer’ just spontainoulsy rebooted and now WLLoginProxy.exe has popped up in the process list :O Oct 01 16:59
_Doug When will the MS website stop functioning without the presence of WLLoginProxy.exe on ‘My Computer’ ? Oct 01 17:01
schestowitz microsoft.com? Oct 01 17:02
_Doug How soom will I be compelled to get a Windows Live account to browse the ‘Microsoft Internet’ with the ‘Microsoft Internet Explorer’, using Microsoft TCP/IP and my Microsoft Mouse :) Oct 01 17:03
schestowitz I hear they want to add DRM elements to packet transport. Oct 01 17:04
_Doug :) Oct 01 17:04
schestowitz And that this is why they rewrote what used to be ‘stolen’ BSD code. Oct 01 17:04
schestowitz Be sure, Microsoft would market it as “security” if that turned out to be true. Oct 01 17:05
_Doug Do you seriously think you can send bits to ‘my computer’ without paying the Toal ? Oct 01 17:05
_Doug They do that a lot recently, spontainously reboot .. must be some sort of automatic update ? Oct 01 17:06
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schestowitz *LOL* at best of times. Reboot comes first. Oct 01 17:08
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AVRS2 schestowitz: what is http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3172 about? Oct 01 17:31
AVRS2 “Licensed Open Source (LOS)” Oct 01 17:31
schestowitz it’s weird. I links to it yesterday. Oct 01 17:32
AVRS2 Yes. Oct 01 17:32
schestowitz Looks like Carmony Junior. Oct 01 17:32
schestowitz *linked Oct 01 17:32
_Doug “LOS essentially means a company will benefit from a clear commercial licence, which provides legal protections that are not available under the General Public License (GPL)” Oct 01 17:33
_Doug IS GPL software unprotected from legal ‘stuff’ ? Oct 01 17:34
AVRS2 A license without the “No warranty, implied or perceived” part? Oct 01 17:35
_Doug sounds like kite flying for NovoSOFT ? Oct 01 17:35
schestowitz :-) Oct 01 17:35
schestowitz I wondered why he aired it. Oct 01 17:35
schestowitz Then again, Tectonic is sometimes exploited by Microturfs too. Oct 01 17:36
AVRS2 Or a license which doesn’t just become void, but requires payment for more things if something goes wrong? Oct 01 17:36
_Doug To date what companies have been sucessfully sued by a third party for using GPL software ? Oct 01 17:37
_Doug I don’t mean GPL violations .. but some third party patemt troll ? Oct 01 17:37
AVRS2 Don’t know about companies; persons have been, by game companies. Oct 01 17:37
schestowitz Wallace? Oct 01 17:38
AVRS2 But not really for copyright violation. Oct 01 17:38
_Doug failed … Oct 01 17:38
_Doug “Advanced Excel for Scientific Data Analysis 2008-10-01 13:02″ Oct 01 17:38
_Doug ISn’t this a contradiction in terms ? Oct 01 17:38
_Doug http://books.slashdot.org/books/08/1… Oct 01 17:39
AVRS2 (and not for patents) Oct 01 17:39
schestowitz Excel doesn’t even do its math right. Oct 01 17:40
_Doug I know, they did a comparison .. Oct 01 17:40
schestowitz Yes, and they (Microsoft) came up with the conclusion that it was ‘close enough;. Oct 01 17:41
_Doug Gnumeric did best iirc Oct 01 17:41
schestowitz It helped Microsoft too (Jody +OOXML) Oct 01 17:44
_Doug http://www.csdassn.org/software_… Oct 01 17:46
_Doug you wannt do advanced scientific data analysis you use Mathematica .. Oct 01 17:48
_Doug Of course someone is going to say 1988 technology .. :) Oct 01 17:49
schestowitz Expensive. Oct 01 17:50
_Doug LOS: “When examining OSS vs LOS” .. and so a new paradigm is born :) Oct 01 17:51
MinceR or use a recent version of gnumeric :> Oct 01 17:51
schestowitz I’m at a LOS. Oct 01 17:55
_Doug http://econpapers.repec.org/scripts/search.asp?… Oct 01 17:56
MinceR the LOS article is useless Oct 01 17:57
MinceR he keeps repeating how great LOS is but cites absolutely nothing to support it Oct 01 17:57
MinceR he also seems to be completely oblivious of support contracts Oct 01 17:57
_Doug LOS: a meaningless term .. Oct 01 17:58
_Doug LOS == litigation FUD Oct 01 17:58
schestowitz It reminds me of another thing. Let me find it. Oct 01 18:00
schestowitz Can’t find that bugger. Oct 01 18:02
schestowitz Linux.com had these couple of people trying to make a legal business model out of the Novell/Microsoft deal. Oct 01 18:03
kentma schestowitz: don’t call me that … I’m here :-) Oct 01 18:03
schestowitz Can’t understand why I can’t see it. I tried many queries… http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&… Oct 01 18:03
schestowitz It was a video. Some greedy people wanting patents4lunix. Oct 01 18:03
MinceR it’s a legal business model Oct 01 18:04
MinceR legal doesn’t mean it’s right to do Oct 01 18:05
schestowitz Making money out of nothing. Oct 01 18:05
MinceR well, that’s what the state does Oct 01 18:05
schestowitz Well, *that’s* innovative. Oct 01 18:05
MinceR take money from people with armed threats and provide little to nothing for it Oct 01 18:05
AVRS2 wtf is http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/compromise.html under CC BY-ND 3.0? Oct 01 18:05
MinceR some version of CC might be equivalent to GFDL Oct 01 18:06
schestowitz kentma: I was talking abput $employer < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/01/phorm_h1_2008/ >, not you. Oct 01 18:06
AVRS2 That doesn’t matter here. Oct 01 18:06
schestowitz ;-) Oct 01 18:06
MinceR (i don’t know what ND is) Oct 01 18:06
AVRS2 CC BY-ND is, at best, an equivalent of Verbatim distribution allowed. Oct 01 18:07
schestowitz Non Disclosure . :-) Oct 01 18:07
AVRS2 But it is CC, the confusing license group. Oct 01 18:07
schestowitz You’ve read it. Now we’ll have to ‘eliminate’ you. :-) Oct 01 18:07
MinceR oh, No Derivatives Oct 01 18:07
MinceR AVRS2: that’s a good question. Oct 01 18:07
schestowitz Lessig was asked about CC and DRM. Oct 01 18:08
MinceR it’s strange that they wouldn’t allow derivatives. Oct 01 18:08
schestowitz Yesterday: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/free_c… Oct 01 18:08
AVRS2 MinceR: that’s not the the question… gnu.org has been using the “verbatim distribution” license for at least some time. Oct 01 18:08
AVRS2 But why use a Creative Commons license instead of that? Oct 01 18:08
AVRS2 http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html mentions the confusion. Oct 01 18:09
MinceR jumping on the bandwagon Oct 01 18:09
schestowitz No Derivatives, eh? Maybe good for openssl after the Debian incident. Oct 01 18:09
AVRS2 Might be because CC licenses are against DRM — at least versions 2.5 was. Oct 01 18:09
schestowitz Truecrypt has other similar tendencies. Oct 01 18:10
MinceR it seems that the GFDL is against DRM but CC isn’t Oct 01 18:11
MinceR WP says “The GFDL differs from the CC licenses in its requirement that the licensed work be distributed in a form which is “transparent”, i.e., not in a proprietary and/or confidential format.” Oct 01 18:11
schestowitz This new one is interesting: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/a_lesson_in_the_fai… Oct 01 18:11
schestowitz “I’m in Brazil, just finished with a lecture, about to get on a plane back to the states. When I arrived last night, my inbox was full with a bunch of emails about an anti-Obama remix video that had been taken down from YouTube for copyright-related reasons.” Oct 01 18:11
MinceR it’s ambiguous but the GFDL itself contains that provision for transparency Oct 01 18:11
AVRS2 MinceR: however, Debian considers GFDL w/o invariant sections free, and CC BY(-SA) 2.5 (but not 3.0, AFAIK) non-free. Oct 01 18:12
MinceR maybe there’s another nuance somewhere Oct 01 18:12
AVRS2 Because CC 2.5 prohibits something (IIRC) like playing the file through a DRMed device. Oct 01 18:12
MinceR oh. Oct 01 18:13
schestowitz _Doug might love this one: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/… Oct 01 18:14
_Doug “Barclays Bank online banking service has been mostly unavailable today due to ‘technical issues’.” ? Oct 01 18:15
AVRS2 MinceR: as for derivatives, IIRC, RMS says sometimes that speeches etc should not be editable — and that’s why GFDL supports invariant sections. Oct 01 18:16
_Doug another borked update ? Oct 01 18:16
_Doug as I said, theres here local machines have taken to spontainously rebooting for no reason ? Oct 01 18:17
MinceR oh. Oct 01 18:17
MinceR what if it’s attributed properly? Oct 01 18:18
_Doug WLLoginproxy.exe is back ? Oct 01 18:18
_Doug wasn’t there yersterday ? Oct 01 18:18
_Doug I do try and kill processes that I don’t know what they are supposed to be doing .. Oct 01 18:19
_Doug Right now I am browsing on port 80, nothing elses needs to pop up in the process tree .. Oct 01 18:20
AVRS2 MinceR: it can be misrepresented easily Oct 01 18:20
AVRS2 (according to his or some other text) Oct 01 18:20
schestowitz _Doug: the main site uses Slowaris. Oct 01 18:20
schestowitz I tried upper/lowercase for the banking subsite (they hide it from Netcraft) and it seems *NIXy. Oct 01 18:21
_Doug Solaris ? Oct 01 18:21
schestowitz No, Slowaris. Oct 01 18:21
schestowitz MinceR says so. Oct 01 18:21
schestowitz SPAM (Windows spew) and malware cost a lot of money to British households: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10… Oct 01 18:22
kentma Slowaris is what the MS shills used to call solaris… Oct 01 18:24
MinceR well, i’ve read it as “slowlaris” but “slowaris” works too :) Oct 01 18:38
_Doug http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?d… Oct 01 18:39
_Doug http://www.security-database.com/toolswatch/Shav… Oct 01 18:40
schestowitz http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_repo… Oct 01 18:41
schestowitz http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/news/article/0,2… : Microsoft renews ties with Shavlik for scanning Oct 01 18:42
schestowitz Is this the same “Shavlik” though? Oct 01 18:42
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_Doug http://www.allbusiness.com/company-activities-management/… Oct 01 18:43
_Doug Can’t be two Shavliks’ Oct 01 18:43
schestowitz :-) Oct 01 18:44
schestowitz Well, I was a Barc’ customer, but ran away from them and took the money after bad service. They made it so hard to get out of there… a lock-in of nags and “we forgot” Oct 01 18:44
_Doug “patch management, messaging, web & optimisation, server solutions, cisco, training, end point security and integration ..” Oct 01 18:46
_Doug “As a Microsoft Certified Partner!” .. Oct 01 18:47
schestowitz Shavlik Oct 01 18:48
schestowitz Oops. Meant to paste this one.. http://www.protectthehuman.com/42days Oct 01 18:48
_Doug “Shavlik NetChk Protect outperformed the competition in the areas of patch detection intelligence, patch status reporting, ease of use and value” Oct 01 18:48
schestowitz Do they have patents already.. like Finjan in London, which puts swpatents in the UK, through overseas lawsuits. Oct 01 18:49
_Doug Like .. ‘patch management’ .. since when was that a thing to boast about .. Oct 01 18:49
_Doug LIke, how about making a system that don’t fall over without regular patches .. bug fixes ? Oct 01 18:50
schestowitz It’s a monthly recurrence: erroneous Windows/Office patches that lead to crashes or no boots. The smart one wait and watch what happens after Patch Tuesday. Oct 01 18:51
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schestowitz This rarely ever happens to Linux boxes or Macs from what I can gather. I heard about it just once in the Mac universe (being left with just a command prompt) and Ubuntu had such an incident some years back. Oct 01 18:53
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schestowitz ANNOVA~1 copyrights… http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7645059.stm Oct 01 19:08
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AVRS2 hehe http://getthefacts.ru/ Oct 01 19:26
trmanco :| Oct 01 19:27
trmanco too bad I don’t know hot to read russian Oct 01 19:27
schestowitz Since Jan 2008, says Netcraft Oct 01 19:27
AVRS2 Usual free software news blog, although the main page seems a bit slow. Oct 01 19:27
schestowitz They need to translate the lies because it hasn’t enough impact in English. Oct 01 19:27
schestowitz Wait Oct 01 19:28
schestowitz This is anti-FUD, right? Oct 01 19:28
schestowitz Runs on BSD. Oct 01 19:28
AVRS2 Looks like just news. Oct 01 19:28
schestowitz I got my facts from Swteaty B: ‘“Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux,” he [Steve Ballmer] said. “How are we doing? Forty is less than 60, so I don’t like it. … We have some work to do.”’ Oct 01 19:29
AVRS2 Lies are at stop _ piracy _ ru, very stupid lies. Oct 01 19:29
AVRS2 I should probably have avoided mentioning it; it is really not a popular site. Oct 01 19:31
schestowitz I think they had some pictures and animations. Oct 01 19:32
schestowitz Scare sites. Oct 01 19:33
schestowitz Been in the press a year (plus) ago, but maybe it was US-onlu. Oct 01 19:33
schestowitz *only Oct 01 19:33
AVRS2 That site is where people say things like “stealing toilet paper is bad, that’s just like pirating software” or “plagiarism is bad, software piracy is bad” in order to win a free Windows license or something. Oct 01 19:34
AVRS2 And piracy _ ru  redirects to microsoft _ com Oct 01 19:36
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AVRS2 (to a page there) Oct 01 19:36
schestowitz http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/palamida-n… “Customers include Avaya, Cisco Systems, EMC, Microsoft…” <<<<<<<<<< Palamida… interesting. Oct 01 19:40
schestowitz There’s also lotsa fluff about OpenLogicsoft and their ‘census’. Oct 01 19:40
schestowitz “It’s easier for our software to compete with Linux when there’s piracy than when there’s not.” –Bill Gates Oct 01 19:41
schestowitz piracy _ ru ->> Microsoft _ ru . It figures Oct 01 19:42
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_Dougv1 ??????????????? wassssssssssup ???????????????????????? Oct 01 21:00
MinceR ???????!!!!!!!!!!???????!?!??!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????!!!!!!111111 111111111!!!!!!!!!1111111111 Oct 01 21:01
schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L38wthA4Ld0 Oct 01 21:02
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AVRS2 gn Oct 01 22:50
schestowitz gn Oct 01 22:51
zoobab hi Oct 01 22:52
zoobab http://www.noooxml.org/ Oct 01 22:52
zoobab http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-93970/norweg… Oct 01 22:52
schestowitz have you seen the RMS piece? Oct 01 22:59
schestowitz You have got to echo this one:http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-jul-oct.html… Oct 01 22:59
schestowitz “Staff at the European Patent Office went on strike accusing the organization of corruption: specifically, stretching the standards for patents in order to make more money.” Oct 01 22:59
PetoKraus today i was so crossed at patents Oct 01 23:00
PetoKraus i couldn’t get DVD playback working… then i realised i need DeCSS… no way to find that in debian official repositories… Oct 01 23:00
schestowitz The patent pirates (like Sisvel) are out hunting. They are hungry (slowdown). Oct 01 23:03
zoobab I have nice stories about Sisvel Oct 01 23:04
PetoKraus i got a nice conversation on ebay Oct 01 23:06
PetoKraus i’ll post Oct 01 23:06
schestowitz Thanks. I’m still catching up with stuff (40 unread in Digital Majority). Oct 01 23:07
schestowitz zoobab: I was actually in Brussels a couple of times, but just in the airport for a few hours. Oct 01 23:08
PetoKraus oh god, torrent is really clogging up our traffic. Oct 01 23:11
PetoKraus http://pk.gjhak.sk/.storage/feedback.pdf Oct 01 23:13
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zoobab I was at the airport for an OOXML meeting this Tuesday Oct 01 23:18
zoobab some Microsoft people tried to infiltrate the meeting Oct 01 23:18
schestowitz Of course. Oct 01 23:19
schestowitz Ask Yoon Kit abotu Geneva. Oct 01 23:19
zoobab G plus consultants Oct 01 23:19
schestowitz zoobab: here we have ‘cj’, who admits being a Microsoft infiltrator. It’s just like they all say… it’s all just a coincidence. They want to kiss you and love you and shower you with gifts. Oct 01 23:20
zoobab of course MS guys are spying this channel Oct 01 23:21
zoobab as they are spying FFII’s software patent discussion lists Oct 01 23:22
zoobab what about building a large troll similar to IV, in order to get rid of Windows and Office? Oct 01 23:23
zoobab the antitrust authorities fails to remove Microsoft products from the market, I think a good portfolio of patents to kick them out once for all might be necessary Oct 01 23:23
schestowitz Well, yes, but it won’t work so easily. Oct 01 23:26
schestowitz Personally I just write about things that I see and sign petitions. There’s little you can do even with a Commissioner hat. The system is glued by money trails. Oct 01 23:27
zoobab I am not so sure Oct 01 23:27
zoobab I am thinking to start a troll business Oct 01 23:27
zoobab with high quality patents in there Oct 01 23:28
zoobab in Belgium you can get patents quite cheaply Oct 01 23:28
zoobab without examination Oct 01 23:28
schestowitz Microsoft will claim that it has competition, just like Novell. Posted 15 seconds ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/0… Oct 01 23:29
schestowitz Hovsepian is the Durusau of the Linux world. Oct 01 23:29
schestowitz >> <zoobab> I am thinking to start a troll business            …. just don’t tell the VC that you want to  “tart a troll business” ;-) Oct 01 23:31
zoobab pension funds now invests in trolls Oct 01 23:33
zoobab http://gizmodo.com/5047705/hivision-sho… Oct 01 23:35
schestowitz Yes, seen that one. They’re catching up with the ‘knowledge worker’ Oct 01 23:37
zoobab 64M RAM is a bit too few Oct 01 23:38
zoobab they would have had 256MB, it would have been better Oct 01 23:38
zoobab too bad nobody produces laptop based on ARM cpus Oct 01 23:39
zoobab the only way to defeat MS on the UMPC market is to change architechture Oct 01 23:40
schestowitz ARM will have something soon. They have worked on it for almost a year. Oct 01 23:43
schestowitz AMD might join in too. They already suffered the wrath of Intel dumpers and Microsoft dirty tricks (with Geode). Oct 01 23:44
zoobab yes but AMD is still x86 compatile Oct 01 23:47
zoobab compatible Oct 01 23:48
zoobab the point is to avoid MS+AMD Oct 01 23:48
zoobab and the best is to make much cheaper chips with another arch Oct 01 23:48
zoobab if the OLPC would be an ARM CPU, no way you can have Windows and all crappy apps running for the beast Oct 01 23:48
zoobab I am considering buying a beagleboard: Oct 01 23:50
zoobab http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2750698127… Oct 01 23:50
schestowitz Yes, I thought about that. Well, ARM should make its announcement any moment now. It’s part of a group collaborating, but Intel will dump as much as necessary to keep ARM away. Oct 01 23:50
zoobab of course Oct 01 23:51
zoobab the beagleboard might be powerful enough to power a small laptop Oct 01 23:51
schestowitz Intel also works on multi-core atoms, so maybe they want Vistrictions on these. Oct 01 23:51
zoobab beagleboard is really low power: Oct 01 23:52
zoobab http://www.flickr.com/photos/jadon/2750… Oct 01 23:52
zoobab I am sure ARM wins in terms of power consumption Oct 01 23:53
schestowitz Yes. Oct 01 23:54
schestowitz Almost 10 times more efficient back in OLPC days. That’s why Intel was so scared. Oct 01 23:54
zoobab going to zzz Oct 01 23:55
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008… Oct 01 23:55
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