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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 7th, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:37 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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Eruaran As they should be Dec 07 00:00
schestowitz I know of only one blog that sometimes links to them. 451 Group… after they had visited Redmond for all I can tell. Dec 07 00:00
Eruaran haha Dec 07 00:00
schestowitz Microsoft tends to demand “fair coverage” Dec 07 00:03
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Eruaran I posted on youtube that Fedora 10′s animated boot (Plymouth) is nicer than the clips of Vista7′s animated boot… and that you don’t have to wait, Fedora 10 is out… Dec 07 00:03
Eruaran I got thumb raped Dec 07 00:03
schestowitz “No discrimination” (*cough* and Linux is a cancer) Dec 07 00:04
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schestowitz Eww…thumb raped Dec 07 00:04
schestowitz Better a thumb than a fist. Ewww. Dec 07 00:05
schestowitz Windows 7 wannabes watch these videos Dec 07 00:05
Eruaran I like fedora’s “Solar” boot theme Dec 07 00:05
schestowitz You can’t disturb their vapourware-dreamin’ Dec 07 00:05
schestowitz Vista 7 flew too close to the sun… Dec 07 00:05
schestowitz With wings of salami… Dec 07 00:06
Eruaran Its sad that these morons just thumb rape you for mentioning it Dec 07 00:06
schestowitz It got KOOKED Dec 07 00:06
Eruaran they probably didn’t bother to have a look Dec 07 00:06
Eruaran funny day at work yesterday Dec 07 00:07
Eruaran Some Brits came in Dec 07 00:07
Eruaran Wanting advice on service providers and other stuff Dec 07 00:08
Eruaran They’re like, “youre a telstra agent” Dec 07 00:08
Eruaran “yes, but we don’t recommend telstra” Dec 07 00:08
schestowitz Not Vista, either. Dec 07 00:09
schestowitz Unless Microsoft pay$ Dec 07 00:09
Eruaran “were thinking of buying a new pc” Dec 07 00:09
Eruaran hah Dec 07 00:09
Eruaran I didn’t recommend Vista either Dec 07 00:09
Eruaran they’re like, “but the posters” Dec 07 00:09
Eruaran “all lies” Dec 07 00:09
Eruaran they’re like, “why do you have them then” Dec 07 00:10
Eruaran “we get money” Dec 07 00:10
Eruaran And besides Dec 07 00:10
Eruaran I pointed to one vista poster where it said, “Simple, Secure, Stunning” Dec 07 00:10
schestowitz SS Dec 07 00:11
schestowitz Eh? Dec 07 00:11
schestowitz Tell them about WW2 Dec 07 00:11
schestowitz About Goebbels Dec 07 00:11
MinceR the stunning part is that they dare call it simple and secure Dec 07 00:11
Eruaran And said, “Its simply crap, you can be Secure in the knowledge that you don’t need it, and its Stunning how full of crap this poster is” Dec 07 00:12
Eruaran Its hilarious Dec 07 00:13
Eruaran People love it… we gain customers being so candid with people Dec 07 00:13
MinceR lol Dec 07 00:13
Eruaran We had a customer the other day who told us that is the reason why he comes to us Dec 07 00:14
Eruaran We tell him the truth Dec 07 00:14
Eruaran If we at any stage had stopped giving people our honest opinions and advice, we’d have egg on our faces today and would have lost our credibility. Dec 07 00:15
Eruaran Our customers are not the kind of people who just look for the cheapest price, or latest trendy thing. They want sound advice, reliability and piece of mind. Dec 07 00:17
schestowitz I used to give honest opinions too Dec 07 00:19
schestowitz I worked at a computer store when I was 18 Dec 07 00:19
schestowitz I didn’t fool the people and I have them the cheaper peripheral. That makes a /BAD/ salesman (not morally bad). Dec 07 00:19
schestowitz *gave Dec 07 00:20
Eruaran I’m lucky to be working in an environment where being a “trusted advisor” is a very important part of my job. Dec 07 00:20
schestowitz Even back then I had some people asking for h/w that works with Linux. Dec 07 00:20
schestowitz Trusted by /whom/? Microsoft? the client? Dec 07 00:21
Eruaran The client. Dec 07 00:21
schestowitz Microsoft plans to ‘pull an Apple’ and have rep^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hin stores to promote Fista. Dec 07 00:21
schestowitz They could replace a workforce of honest people with a puppet regime Dec 07 00:22
schestowitz Working based on the ‘headbook’ from the Vole. Dec 07 00:22
schestowitz *handbook Dec 07 00:22
Eruaran That sort of thing wont affect us Dec 07 00:22
Eruaran Stores like that don’t employ people who actually know what they’re talking about Dec 07 00:22
schestowitz Puppet shops Dec 07 00:26
schestowitz Like Dell and H-P Dec 07 00:26
Eruaran Even with Vista, people know they can bring a crippled, virus/spyware infested system to us and we can clean it up and return it to the customer running better than it ever has. Depending on how busy we are, they get it back same day or the next day. We know most places will just backup data and re-install. Dec 07 00:26
schestowitz Will Dell stil go high street? Dec 07 00:26
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schestowitz It talked about it last year, but has collapsed a bit since. Dec 07 00:26
schestowitz Eruaran: see? Vista makes ‘jobs’. Not important jobs, but it keeps people coccupied and swapping AUDs Dec 07 00:27
Eruaran With on-site service, we actually give people solutions that work and help businesses/organizations etc. Rather than just band-aid their current crappy setup. Dec 07 00:28
schestowitz Dman that Lunux thing… people take it home and it just works and does what people need. It doesn’t break, so people don’t have unnecessary jobs created Dec 07 00:28
schestowitz http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/01/broken-wi… Dec 07 00:28
Eruaran We actually had a falling out with a national franchise because we told them their system was broken. Dec 07 00:28
Eruaran They wanted us to get things working the way they wanted it… but the way they wanted things set up was inherently broken… We fixed it, but then they complained so we put things back the way they were before and told them the system is broken and you cant fix it unless youre willing to do things differently Dec 07 00:30
Eruaran They had local networks that didn’t work properly and head office wanting to have a VPN to stores using dialup or some crap like that… it screwed the stores systems up.. Dec 07 00:33
schestowitz Why are these things so complicated? Dec 07 00:33
schestowitz I never get it. Dec 07 00:33
schestowitz Like.. Dec 07 00:33
Eruaran They made it complicated Dec 07 00:33
schestowitz I hear about large deployments costing loads of money.. Dec 07 00:33
schestowitz .And I think most of the ‘work’ is spent by pointy-hairy people on the roundtable. Dec 07 00:34
schestowitz Some are adverse to progress because it’s “change” Dec 07 00:34
schestowitz Just look how many companies use an operating platform from 2001. Dec 07 00:35
schestowitz We’re almost in 2009, for crying out loud! Dec 07 00:35
kevin832 haha Dec 07 00:35
Eruaran The local stores (there are at least 3 in our city) were very happy with what we did… but their national  HQ chucked a frothy fit over it… stores were happy cause things were working great, HQ wasn’t happy cause they couldn’t have their stupid dialup VPN access… Dec 07 00:35
kevin832 reminds me of when people didn’t want ms to stop shipping updates for win98 Dec 07 00:35
schestowitz Had the same standards applied to gadgets people around (80%+ of them) would be using Sony walkmans to listen to music Dec 07 00:37
Eruaran I know of businesses that are still using DOS based POS software Dec 07 00:42
Eruaran DOS!!!! Dec 07 00:42
kevin832 they could always switch to freedos :) Dec 07 00:43
Eruaran I take one look at that and mutter, “bloody hell…” Dec 07 00:43
kevin832 even a single-user system just seems so outdated to me Dec 07 00:44
Eruaran no, they run this stuff on Windows 2000 Dec 07 00:44
Eruaran They only upgraded from NT like a year ago… Dec 07 00:44
schestowitz :-) Dec 07 00:45
schestowitz Winretro Dec 07 00:45
Eruaran :P Dec 07 00:45
schestowitz They should upgrade to Fista Dec 07 00:45
schestowitz Ruin compat’ Dec 07 00:45
schestowitz New prricy PC for DOS… Dec 07 00:45
Eruaran Sometimes I look at business setups and all I want to do is should, “ASSHATS!! ALL OF YOU GET OUT!!!” Dec 07 00:46
Eruaran *shout Dec 07 00:46
schestowitz I went to buy Fista and all I got was this lousy CLI prompt. Dec 07 00:46
Eruaran one place Dec 07 00:46
Eruaran they had this admin Dec 07 00:46
Eruaran I suggested they switch to linux as they could still run the old DOS stuff, they wouldn’t have to upgrade hardware and none of their systems would be brought down if the app crashes (which it did fairly regularly)… Dec 07 00:47
Eruaran She just looked at me as if I was a JW at her door Dec 07 00:48
kevin832 at my college, people would play pranks that stumped the IT staff Dec 07 00:48
kevin832 for example, someone used the graphics options to rotate the display upside down :) Dec 07 00:48
Eruaran hha Dec 07 00:48
Eruaran we used to change the college menu system Dec 07 00:49
Eruaran It would get changed from “South East Institute of TAFE” (this is a long time ago) to “TAFE’s Quick & Dirty Menu System” or “TEH NOOBIE MENU” Dec 07 00:50
kevin832 i knew a guy who (if he found a PC left logged in) would open tuns of windows, take a screenshot and make it the desktop background Dec 07 00:50
kevin832 lol Dec 07 00:50
Eruaran heh Dec 07 00:50
Eruaran we had a guy a while back who came in saying there was something wrong with his PC Dec 07 00:51
MinceR i’ve made this background once: http://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/… Dec 07 00:51
Eruaran It turned out that his friends had played a prank on him Dec 07 00:51
Eruaran Cause it wasn’t frozen, it was a screenshot… hehe Dec 07 00:52
MinceR (and randomly moved those same icons on it) Dec 07 00:52
kevin832 i miss that screensaver that used to be in ubuntu called “bsod” that would show panic messages from all different platforms Dec 07 00:52
kevin832 lol at the above screenshot… i hate it when i sit down at someone’s PC and their desktop is a mess Dec 07 00:53
MinceR i think it’s still in xscreensaver Dec 07 00:53
MinceR on my own machines, i disable desktop icons Dec 07 00:54
MinceR i don’t think icons belong there Dec 07 00:54
schestowitz MinceR: *LOL* nice shot Dec 07 00:55
schestowitz MinceR: I try that too Dec 07 00:56
schestowitz In KDE 3.5 I use it for thumbnails of workspace though Dec 07 00:56
PetoKraus what we did was Dec 07 00:57
PetoKraus simply Dec 07 00:57
PetoKraus exchange the keyboards, mice, and displays Dec 07 00:57
schestowitz PDFs are displayed as text, text files you can hover over for previews and my images I can see not just as names. Dec 07 00:57
PetoKraus so you put usb drive in the machine in front of you Dec 07 00:57
schestowitz I occionally put them all in the rubbish. Dec 07 00:57
PetoKraus and tada, the guy next to you had popup! Dec 07 00:57
PetoKraus it was even more fun when you pressed the power button Dec 07 00:57
Eruaran bbl Dec 07 00:57
PetoKraus “saving your work… system is shutting down” Dec 07 00:57
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PetoKraus or playing music… which started playing from other half of the CS lab Dec 07 00:58
schestowitz PetoKraus: ejecting the CDs… drive in and out. Dec 07 00:58
kevin832 on a podcast the other day, i heard about someone writing a script to make the CD-ROM drive open and close when he new someone would be working in the area :) Dec 07 00:58
schestowitz That was funny. SSHing in shared clusters to mess about with the PC someone uses Dec 07 00:58
schestowitz Beeping and opening the CD tray Dec 07 00:59
PetoKraus yup Dec 07 01:00
PetoKraus -4°C Dec 07 01:00
PetoKraus it’s starting to get quite nice over here Dec 07 01:01
schestowitz This is serious: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/155074/… Dec 07 01:08
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schestowitz “Criminals are taking advantage of a bug in the Asterisk Internet telephony system that lets them pump out thousands of scam phone calls in an hour, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation warned Friday. The FBI didn’t say which versions of Asterisk were vulnerable to the bug, but it advised users to upgrade to the latest version of the software.” Dec 07 01:08
schestowitz Hey, DOUGman. Dec 07 01:08
PetoKraus see Dec 07 01:10
PetoKraus the problem is, people look on you like on an idiot Dec 07 01:10
PetoKraus if you wanna update your system Dec 07 01:10
PetoKraus every day at work i meet with puzzled faces Dec 07 01:10
MinceR gn Dec 07 01:10
PetoKraus when i insist on installing SP3 on machines we are fixing Dec 07 01:10
PetoKraus i mean, when they release something, they usually release it for a REASON Dec 07 01:10
schestowitz 98% of Windows PCs are open to total hijack, says Secunia Dec 07 01:11
schestowitz Only 1 in 50 Windows boxes that you see it TEMPORARILY secure… not from 0-days though. Dec 07 01:11
PetoKraus yeah Dec 07 01:11
schestowitz I updated my blogs last weekend. Dec 07 01:11
schestowitz It’s a pain because they patch very often. Dec 07 01:11
PetoKraus hehe Dec 07 01:11
schestowitz BN runs on an LTS, so I rarely need to patch it. Dec 07 01:12
schestowitz 2.0.11 Dec 07 01:12
PetoKraus that’s the good thing with custom developed software Dec 07 01:12
kevin832 i’m surprised the FBI doesn’t go after sites that distribute “virusresponse lab 2009″ and other fraud software Dec 07 01:12
schestowitz All thanks to Debian BTW Dec 07 01:12
PetoKraus kevin832: M-S antivirus? Dec 07 01:12
schestowitz Had it not been for Debian requirement, WP would not have had an LTS Dec 07 01:12
kevin832 there’s a program called “virusresponse lab” that says “you’re infected! now give us money!” :) Dec 07 01:12
schestowitz Yes, I saw it earlier Dec 07 01:12
schestowitz Hold on Dec 07 01:12
schestowitz Yesterday: Most recent Windows infections result from the same simple trick < http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Most-recent-Windo… > Dec 07 01:13
schestowitz ‘BitDefender’s Top 10 E-Threats Report identifies just one type of attack as being responsible for more than a third of Windows infections in the past month: fake anti-virus scans, also known as scareware. “ Dec 07 01:13
schestowitz There was an incident in early 2007… Dec 07 01:14
schestowitz Shane and I thought that Novell/fans had cracked us Dec 07 01:14
schestowitz Shane mistakenly posted the password to the FRONT PAGE Dec 07 01:14
schestowitz Then the server went bad… Shane fixed it somehow but I never knew what happened or what he did Dec 07 01:15
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schestowitz He was nervous.. I have the E-mails with the details saved… anyway, been fine since then. Dec 07 01:15
schestowitz I think I should change my mug in NB. Dec 07 01:15
schestowitz BN Dec 07 01:15
schestowitz I look amateurish, no? Dec 07 01:15
PetoKraus nb? Dec 07 01:16
PetoKraus aha Dec 07 01:16
schestowitz BN Dec 07 01:16
PetoKraus your picture? Dec 07 01:16
schestowitz Yes Dec 07 01:16
PetoKraus hmm yeah Dec 07 01:16
PetoKraus get something decent Dec 07 01:16
PetoKraus i was trying to take some pictures lately Dec 07 01:16
schestowitz I’m not sure about something with suit…. like some peacock. Dec 07 01:16
PetoKraus but i am realising i am really crap at taking pictures Dec 07 01:16
schestowitz What should I put there? Dec 07 01:16
schestowitz Shane at least has a suit on in his photo Dec 07 01:16
PetoKraus just collared shirt should be enough Dec 07 01:17
schestowitz And me… I just have this old picture from my trip to Canada where I met an old g/f (she’s married now) Dec 07 01:17
schestowitz Let me see what I gawt… Dec 07 01:17
PetoKraus happens Dec 07 01:18
PetoKraus it’s quite funny when you read trough all those fake “married” statuses on facebook Dec 07 01:18
PetoKraus and then you see another one, and you have to stop and say Dec 07 01:18
schestowitz I hardly user FB Dec 07 01:18
PetoKraus fuck, i went to her wedding! she actually IS married now! Dec 07 01:18
PetoKraus i use it quite a lot Dec 07 01:19
PetoKraus i channel my page trough it Dec 07 01:19
PetoKraus i stalk people trough that Dec 07 01:19
PetoKraus i mean, there’s lots of pictures ;) very nice pictures Dec 07 01:19
PetoKraus i need proper picture Dec 07 01:20
PetoKraus i’m using my “biker-cock” one Dec 07 01:20
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PetoKraus it’s half a year old and i look like an idiot :P Dec 07 01:21
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PetoKraus http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/… Dec 07 01:21
schestowitz hehe. Dec 07 01:22
schestowitz Memories return Dec 07 01:22
schestowitz Karaoke photos Dec 07 01:23
PetoKraus i like my earphones though Dec 07 01:23
PetoKraus i should make some “art” with them Dec 07 01:23
PetoKraus they look gay, they perfectly match my mp3 player Dec 07 01:23
PetoKraus (http://www.techgadgets.in/images/…) Dec 07 01:24
schestowitz Heh. Dec 07 01:24
schestowitz I’ll stick with the mug people just recognise, I think. Dec 07 01:24
PetoKraus :D Dec 07 01:24
PetoKraus yeah Dec 07 01:24
PetoKraus i was trying to take a picture today Dec 07 01:24
schestowitz I’ve used it in schestowitz.com since 2002 Dec 07 01:24
PetoKraus the best one was actually the “blank one” Dec 07 01:24
PetoKraus i ruined all the ones I am in Dec 07 01:24
PetoKraus http://pk.gjhak.sk/ Dec 07 01:24
kevin832 i think i’m gonna dl the new GRML release tonight Dec 07 01:26
PetoKraus yeah, go-to-bed tune Dec 07 01:26
*PetoKraus np: Dire Straits – Sultans Of Swing (Alchemy) Dec 07 01:26
kevin832 that is a nifty text-based distro Dec 07 01:27
kevin832 has anyone here heard “the gutsy geeks”? it’s a radio show about linux Dec 07 01:30
schestowitz OK Dec 07 01:34
schestowitz I put up a new mug. Check out BN and say what you think. Dec 07 01:35
PetoKraus oh well Dec 07 01:42
PetoKraus who is THAT? Dec 07 01:42
schestowitz Is that OK? Dec 07 01:43
PetoKraus i can’t blooody see a thing Dec 07 01:43
schestowitz I need a refresh Dec 07 01:43
PetoKraus i mean, the picture is better Dec 07 01:43
schestowitz Been the same for over 2 years. Dec 07 01:43
PetoKraus but quite small Dec 07 01:43
schestowitz Yes, that’s OK Dec 07 01:43
PetoKraus well Dec 07 01:43
schestowitz No shock, so it’s okay, I guess. Dec 07 01:43
schestowitz My Digg one is worse: http://digg.com/users/schestowitz… Dec 07 01:44
schestowitz I look like some kid.. Dec 07 01:44
PetoKraus :) Dec 07 01:44
schestowitz I’m a lot heavier now. Dec 07 01:45
schestowitz Not far, just heavy. Dec 07 01:45
PetoKraus ? Dec 07 01:45
PetoKraus too much gym? Dec 07 01:45
schestowitz But back then I took better care of my appearance. Dec 07 01:45
schestowitz No, too much food. Dec 07 01:45
PetoKraus there’s nothing like “too much food” Dec 07 01:45
schestowitz Alex Zaharov-Reutt     is trolling Linux users again.. http://www.itwire.com/content/vie… Dec 07 01:46
schestowitz PetoKraus: there is when you eat for ‘fun’… Dec 07 01:46
PetoKraus it’s nice to see people are kind Dec 07 01:46
schestowitz When I worked from my office, which I still can’t, I didn’t have a fridge nearby Dec 07 01:46
schestowitz He ruins ITWire Dec 07 01:47
PetoKraus it’s nice to see people are kind… i’ve been on a band’s gig last year Dec 07 01:47
PetoKraus they are from Newcastle Dec 07 01:47
PetoKraus they had one gig over here…. and i quite liked them Dec 07 01:47
schestowitz He and another guy. I considered dumping their RSS feed because they pollute the whole with OBVIOUS trolling. Dec 07 01:47
PetoKraus so now they have an EP released Dec 07 01:47
PetoKraus and he sent over one for me for free… cool guy Dec 07 01:47
schestowitz Copies are cheap Dec 07 01:48
schestowitz Singers should rely on distribution, not scarcity Dec 07 01:48
PetoKraus yes, but its still nice to see someone, you know Dec 07 01:48
PetoKraus my bedcloth REALLY needs a wash :/ Dec 07 01:49
PetoKraus too much mustard Dec 07 01:49
schestowitz Haha Dec 07 01:50
schestowitz Scooby Snacks fevers… Dec 07 01:50
schestowitz “Too much”… as in “mustard on the bed is acceptable, but not *TOO* much” Dec 07 01:51
schestowitz The bed gets “too spicy” Dec 07 01:51
PetoKraus i am quoting you Dec 07 01:54
PetoKraus i don’t know where, but you gave me a laugh Dec 07 01:54
PetoKraus GN ;) Dec 07 01:54
schestowitz Oh Gawd! Now people sue for SONG SIMILARITY??? http://techdirt.com/articles/2008120… < Joe Satriani Sues Coldplay For Copyright Infringement > Dec 07 02:18
kevin832 perhaps they would be more successful if they patented the melody instead :) Dec 07 02:19
schestowitz I’ve just seen the video Dec 07 02:21
schestowitz It *is* similar Dec 07 02:21
schestowitz More than just inspiration. Dec 07 02:21
kevin832 reminds me of the song from doom 2 that sounded like alice in chains Dec 07 02:21
schestowitz But where and how does one draw the line. There are many old cases like that. When I was 15 or so the Spice Girls got sued. Dec 07 02:21
schestowitz Which one from doom2? Dec 07 02:22
kevin832 i never even noticed it until somebody pointed it out Dec 07 02:22
schestowitz I still have it on this PC Dec 07 02:22
kevin832 the map with all those barrels near the start Dec 07 02:22
schestowitz Never checked it with Wine.. it’s something I carried from many, many years ago.. Dec 07 02:22
kevin832 it sounds like the song “them bones” Dec 07 02:22
schestowitz Kind of fast and funky Dec 07 02:23
schestowitz I think I know what you mean. I like that tune. Dec 07 02:23
schestowitz More Musicians Recognizing The Power Of Free < http://techdirt.com/articles/2… > Dec 07 02:24
kevin832 i’ve been listening to jamendo almost all day Dec 07 02:24
kevin832 if amazon ever starts selling lossless files at a good price i’ll buy from them Dec 07 02:27
schestowitz I just turn my old CDs to Oggs these days Dec 07 02:28
schestowitz This afternoon I converted a compilation CD my g/f made me… listening to it since. Dec 07 02:28
schestowitz Soon enough the ‘original’ CDs will become just ‘backup’ (lossless) CDs Dec 07 02:29
kevin832 i’m installing ubuntu 8.04 on a piece of garbage laptop Dec 07 02:29
schestowitz It won’t do. Dec 07 02:29
schestowitz Ubuntu is fat. Dec 07 02:29
schestowitz I tried it on a Compaq with 32MB Dec 07 02:30
schestowitz Ubuntu 4.04, IIRC Dec 07 02:30
kevin832 this one’s a p4 Dec 07 02:30
schestowitz Didn’t go. Not enough RAM. Dec 07 02:30
kevin832 a p4 that sounds like a vacume cleaner Dec 07 02:30
schestowitz 4.10. Oops. There’s no previous one. Dec 07 02:30
schestowitz I still have many CDs of Ubuntu from over the years… someone mailed me OpenSUSE DVDs too, but I never used them Dec 07 02:31
kevin832 hehe… i had to hunt down and get rid of the ones i had that are no longer supported Dec 07 02:31
kevin832 i started using it at 5.10 (breezy) Dec 07 02:32
kevin832 i also saw somebody put a CD in the microwave on youtube :) Dec 07 02:32
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schestowitz Wow! This new upload is lame: <object width=”425″ height=”344″><param name=”movie” value=”http://www.youtube.com/v/YCAFLyi…“></param>< param name=”allowFullScreen” value=”true”></param>< param name=”allowscriptaccess” value=”always”></param><embed src=”http://www.youtube.com/v/YCAFLy…” type=”application/x-shockwave-flash” allowscriptaccess=”always” allowfullscreen=”true” width=”425″ height=”344″></embed>< Dec 07 02:34
schestowitz /object> Dec 07 02:34
schestowitz Oops. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?… Dec 07 02:34
schestowitz I have 5.10 right here. Dec 07 02:34
kevin832 i do miss the older sounds (startup/shutdown) Dec 07 02:35
kevin832 that old wallpaper with the small ubuntu logo was cool too Dec 07 02:35
schestowitz It was also ‘smaller’ Dec 07 02:37
schestowitz It was a new distro on the scene Dec 07 02:37
schestowitz Some obsccure astronaut lad from SA Dec 07 02:37
schestowitz Brown urged to keep hacker in UK < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/… > Dec 07 02:37
kevin832 i heard they had some sort of nude wallpapers or something in the very early releases, but i’ve never seen it Dec 07 02:38
kevin832 they joked about it on lugradio Dec 07 02:38
schestowitz No, just the CD cover Dec 07 02:39
kevin832 oh Dec 07 02:40
schestowitz Found it. Dec 07 02:40
schestowitz http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/4.10… Dec 07 02:40
schestowitz Same on the CD. Let me check Dec 07 02:40
schestowitz .Oh, I threw away the cardboard boxes. It’s in plastic, I dunno. Dec 07 02:41
schestowitz I felt weird giving old couples at work the Ubuntu CD with that covered. Dec 07 02:41
kevin832 hehe Dec 07 02:41
schestowitz “Try it. Replace Windows. You can trust those people without the shirts..” Dec 07 02:41
kevin832 the icons sure look better today Dec 07 02:43
schestowitz I like Oxygen in KDE Dec 07 02:43
schestowitz Learning from history… http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/12… Dec 07 02:52
Omar87 So, did they tuck Steve Jobs in the coffin yet? Dec 07 03:25
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kevin832 sure is quiet in here now Dec 07 04:52
Eruaran hi Dec 07 04:55
kevin832 hello Dec 07 04:55
kevin832 remote desktop = nice… i can update my laptop while sitting at my big pc in my nice chair Dec 07 04:56
Eruaran krdc is even nicer Dec 07 04:56
Eruaran you can have tabbed remote desktops Dec 07 04:57
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schestowitz Morning.. Dec 07 09:12
schestowitz http://technocrat.net/d/2008/12/6/55259 “The plant owners are creditors of Bank of America and says they aren’t allowed to spend any money on pay, Bank of America says it knows nothing of that and has nothing to do with it. BOA recently received $25 billion in the bailout queue.” Dec 07 09:29
schestowitz http://www.whatpc.co.uk/personal-computer-world/… From “Barry Shilliday”… that’s quite a name for a troll. Dec 07 09:45
trmanco Shilliday Dec 07 09:51
trmanco LOL Dec 07 09:51
schestowitz The review isn’t trolling though. Dec 07 09:51
trmanco I never tried KDE 4 yet Dec 07 09:53
schestowitz Give it a quick go Dec 07 10:00
schestowitz Ubuntu: Try KDE 4.2 Now! : http://hehe2.net/linux-general/try-kd… Dec 07 10:00
schestowitz Go hardcore.. http://signedbit.wordpress.com/2008… Dec 07 10:02
trmanco I will soon Dec 07 10:04
schestowitz You can run all the GTK stuff in KDE… http://www.thelinuxnewb.com/2008/12/customi… Dec 07 10:05
schestowitz KDE 4.2 screenshots: http://sayakb.blogspot.com/2008/12… Dec 07 10:23
schestowitz Hmmm… http://tieguy.org/blog/2008/12/05/the-li… ” Aaron Seigo [Ed.: With Aaron’s permission, I’ve removed this post, as he wrote it quite literally while I was writing the edits mentioned above. Again, apologies to the KDE community for my snide, unnecessary comment;” Dec 07 10:29
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Eruaran hi Dec 07 10:53
Kofferdonk Good afternoon! Dec 07 10:54
Kofferdonk Is Steve Ballmer here? Everyone are silent like mice. Dec 07 10:55
schestowitz Eruaran: lots of KDE 4 items today Dec 07 10:55
Eruaran schestowitz: cool Dec 07 10:55
schestowitz Kofferdonk: it’s Sunday. :-D Dec 07 10:55
Kofferdonk OK. :D Dec 07 10:55
schestowitz http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/843-From-the-Post-2… Dec 07 10:56
schestowitz KDE4 in the news: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Combined-KDE-a… http://sayakb.blogspot.com/2008/12/revi… http://introducingkde4.blogspot.com/2… http://hemswell.lincoln.ac.uk/~pa… http://www.kev009.com/wp/2008/1… http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/… Dec 07 10:56
MinceR how are you gentlemen !! Dec 07 10:57
Kofferdonk Trying to figure out what the discussion is about. Dec 07 10:58
Eruaran got stupid things going on iwth my desktop Dec 07 10:58
schestowitz Which desktop? Dec 07 11:02
schestowitz GNOME or KDE? Dec 07 11:02
Eruaran gnome Dec 07 11:03
MinceR ew Dec 07 11:04
MinceR well, gnome is a stupid thing going on with the desktop :> Dec 07 11:04
schestowitz sudo stuff.. http://linuxgeeksunited.blogspot.com/20… Dec 07 11:05
Eruaran some apps open fullscreen Dec 07 11:06
Eruaran kind of randomly started happening Dec 07 11:07
Eruaran cant start tremulous from gnome Dec 07 11:07
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Eruaran actually Dec 07 11:07
MinceR start nexuiz or sauerbraten instead :> Dec 07 11:07
Eruaran when i start tremulous from gnome i cant use the mouse Dec 07 11:07
schestowitz Quitting a smoke is hard, I guess… http://earthlingblues.wordpress.com/2008… “Meanwhile, if you’re used to Windows, Linux seems hard. I have to look things up; I’m having to learn about computers again. “ Dec 07 11:07
schestowitz “They’ll get sort of addicted” — Bill Gates Dec 07 11:08
schestowitz http://torvalds-family.blogspot.c… Dec 07 11:11
anivar schestowitz:  hey Dec 07 11:22
schestowitz KDE 4.2 video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-kz5aTVtLNo Dec 07 11:23
schestowitz hey, anivar Dec 07 11:23
anivar hope you are aware about the Free software Free Society conference 9-11 in TVM Dec 07 11:23
anivar Kerala Dec 07 11:23
anivar http://fsfs.in Dec 07 11:23
schestowitz I never saw this. Dec 07 11:25
anivar schestowitz:  see schedule here http://fsfs.in/schedule/… Dec 07 11:27
anivar schestowitz:  We are setting up remote participation too Dec 07 11:27
anivar schestowitz:  we are planning to stream video using http://giss.tv/ Dec 07 11:29
schestowitz Excellent. Dec 07 11:29
schestowitz Promote it. Dec 07 11:30
MinceR (flash) (video) (audio) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v… Dec 07 11:33
schestowitz Old video Dec 07 11:36
Eruaran KDE 4.1.80 (4.2 beta 1) and Kwin effects: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?… Dec 07 11:40
Eruaran Things are nicer, smoother, more polished Dec 07 11:41
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*benJIman is surprised schestowitz hasn’t posted about the iwf’s censoring of wikipedia yet. Dec 07 12:06
Eruaran IWF censoring of wikipedia ? Dec 07 12:08
schestowitz http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/British_ISPs_restrict_acces… Dec 07 12:11
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schestowitz Thanks, benJIman, I got it. Dec 07 12:18
PetoKraus morning Dec 07 12:18
schestowitz Moin’ Dec 07 12:18
PetoKraus actually early afternoon Dec 07 12:18
PetoKraus there’s nothing better than long sleep on sunday morning ;) Dec 07 12:19
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PetoKraus goddamned keyboard shortcut :P Dec 07 12:30
schestowitz Intel to sack 4000-6000 people. That’s a criminal company shrinking… my dad just told me… hopefully my brother in law won’t lose his job there. Dec 07 12:37
Eruaran Netflix Launches Online Streaming Support For Apple Mac And Linux PC: http://www.newsoxy.com/netflix/ar… Dec 07 12:38
schestowitz PVRs seem to adopt Linux as de facto choice.. Dec 07 12:39
schestowitz It’s the best ‘commodity’ platform and it’s stable. Even Wind River bets on it… just seen its Linux business rising 115%!!! Dec 07 12:40
Eruaran This may not be news but its interesting in the current economic climate to read how much IBM claims business can save by using their new Microsoft-free solution Dec 07 12:42
Eruaran http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/op… Dec 07 12:42
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Eruaran Cost-Conscious Companies Turn to Open Source Software: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Cost-Conscious-C… Dec 07 12:47
schestowitz They have to. Dec 07 12:48
schestowitz Free software. Dec 07 12:48
schestowitz Usually for cost reasons though. Dec 07 12:48
schestowitz Freedom they’ll understand later on. Dec 07 12:48
Eruaran yes Dec 07 12:49
schestowitz For RMS, starting this movement was never about cutting costs but about keeping control. That said, I bet he thought about cultural issues some time along the way, realising that digital divides and exploitation can end when the cost barriers are eliminated. Then the ‘open-source’ libraries and media thing (open access too) began. Dec 07 12:49
schestowitz Microsoft is ‘cracking down’ on so-called ‘piracy’ like nobody’s business ATM. They need the money. I’ll write a lot about this tonight. Dec 07 12:50
PetoKraus oh god Dec 07 12:51
PetoKraus this fucking Cloud fud Dec 07 12:51
Eruaran cloud fud ? Dec 07 12:51
PetoKraus yeah Dec 07 12:52
schestowitz They tried this in China and got sued several times.. Dec 07 12:52
PetoKraus http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/12/07/why-l… Dec 07 12:52
PetoKraus i mean, he’s not a linux guru Dec 07 12:52
PetoKraus but i guess he’s sort of the prime image of Dec 07 12:53
PetoKraus what common Sixpack Joe using Linux thinks Dec 07 12:53
Eruaran I thought linux was a large portion of “the cloud” Dec 07 12:53
schestowitz MS got accused of cracking PC, but people obviously don’t read the EULA. Dec 07 12:53
schestowitz Cloud=server Dec 07 12:53
Eruaran TLDR Dec 07 12:53
PetoKraus Eruaran: well, my comment is even longer than whole post Dec 07 12:54
schestowitz I’ll set up a small ‘cloud’ tomorrow. 133t cloud Dec 07 12:54
Eruaran heh Dec 07 12:54
PetoKraus schestowitz: i thought we already had one here :P Dec 07 12:54
Eruaran PetoKraus: I’m referring to Microsoft’s EULA Dec 07 12:54
PetoKraus Eruaran: uh-huh Dec 07 12:54
PetoKraus otoh, is GPL shorter? Dec 07 12:54
Eruaran GPL is more interesting Dec 07 12:55
PetoKraus :) Dec 07 12:55
Eruaran The opening blurb makes people go, “oho ?” Dec 07 12:55
Eruaran And they read at least a bit more before they get to the TLDR part Dec 07 12:55
schestowitz http://slated.org/windows_xp_… Dec 07 12:56
schestowitz Vista’s is worse. Dec 07 12:56
PetoKraus i can’t access that fucking page Dec 07 13:01
PetoKraus [H]omer: ‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽ Dec 07 13:02
schestowitz It’s the ISP Dec 07 13:02
PetoKraus i know Dec 07 13:02
schestowitz It’s tainted Dec 07 13:02
schestowitz The Phorm Whrm Dec 07 13:02
schestowitz *Whorm Dec 07 13:02
Eruaran whats tainted ? Dec 07 13:04
schestowitz The ISP of PetoKraus Dec 07 13:06
PetoKraus Whore Media Dec 07 13:06
schestowitz It’s malicious. It extracts all his personal stuff from packets and then sells it to SPAMMING companies Dec 07 13:06
schestowitz It should be a crime Dec 07 13:06
schestowitz The EU COmmisioned demanded that Clown and his cabinet crack down on it. They didn’t. Dec 07 13:07
Eruaran i c Dec 07 13:11
PetoKraus umm Dec 07 13:18
PetoKraus could i have your proxy, schestowitz ? Dec 07 13:18
schestowitz I changed password Dec 07 13:24
schestowitz \Use the Web archive Dec 07 13:24
schestowitz Or google cache. Dec 07 13:25
schestowitz… Dec 07 13:25
PetoKraus it was just because Dec 07 13:25
PetoKraus Virgin Media apparently blocks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_killer Dec 07 13:26
schestowitz You could also ‘fix’ the ISO Dec 07 13:26
schestowitz ISP Dec 07 13:26
schestowitz The ISP is ‘ill’. It has whorms. Dec 07 13:26
PetoKraus well Dec 07 13:27
PetoKraus what can i do Dec 07 13:27
PetoKraus i wanna stable provider Dec 07 13:27
PetoKraus i wanna someone who doesn’t filter my net Dec 07 13:27
PetoKraus i wanna pay at about £30 a month Dec 07 13:27
PetoKraus this is bollocks Dec 07 13:27
Eruaran Read your agreement with your service provider Dec 07 13:30
schestowitz They make it cheap by selling you out Dec 07 13:30
benJIman be didn’t filter until recently, when they started implementing the IWF’s filters. Dec 07 13:31
schestowitz Prostitution is easy money too. :-) Dec 07 13:31
schestowitz Google earns a lot from spying on people Dec 07 13:31
schestowitz Use NoScript Dec 07 13:31
benJIman They’re probably still the best ISP as they don’t do traffic shaping based on protocol and don’t use phorm. Dec 07 13:31
Eruaran If they are failing to offer the service you expected when you signed up, then you may be able to terminate the contract on the grounds of breach of contract. Dec 07 13:31
Eruaran Unresonable new restrictions may represent a breach of contract. Dec 07 13:33
PetoKraus benJIman: BE? Dec 07 13:33
PetoKraus the point is Dec 07 13:33
PetoKraus if i wanted BT line Dec 07 13:34
PetoKraus i’d have to pay £127 for connection Dec 07 13:34
PetoKraus there’s literally almost no way out of this mess Dec 07 13:34
PetoKraus oh modpoints again Dec 07 13:38
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