IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 1st, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 4:28 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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kevin_ the moue I purchased 5 years ago still works Jan 01 01:04
kevin_ mouse* Jan 01 01:04
kevin_ my connection is being lagtastic today Jan 01 01:08
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twitter trmanco, the Windows 7 Beta handed out to trusted ANALysts and other partners had security holes too.  Windows will always have big gaping holes. Jan 01 03:15
twitter According to FUDzilla, there will be 17% laid off, 15,000 people. Jan 01 03:17
twitter It could not have happened to a more deserving group.  People who work for evil always pay the price themselves. Jan 01 03:18
twitter Happy New Year! Jan 01 03:18
MinceR when is it ballmer’s time to pay? Jan 01 03:19
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schestowitz Hey guys Jan 01 07:47
schestowitz Sorry, I forget to change my status to “away” last night. tessier thanks a lot for the pointer; trmanco too. I’ll catch up with COLA now. Jan 01 07:48
tessier Hi Jan 01 07:48
tessier You’re welcome. Jan 01 07:48
schestowitz Intel might be next Jan 01 07:50
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Omar87 Hi Jan 01 08:03
schestowitz Hi, Omar87. Happy new year (Gregorian?) Jan 01 08:05
schestowitz The UK becomes more of a police state: “The private sector will be asked to manage and run a communications database that will keep track of everyone’s calls, emails, texts and internet use under a key option contained in a consultation paper to be published next month by Jacqui Smith, the home secretary.” < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/31/… > Jan 01 08:33
schestowitz “I can see the political advantages of doing so – “oh no, *we* didn’t lose all your intimate data, blame the company” – but this is stupidity squared.” < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/12… > Jan 01 08:33
schestowitz Complicated Web with Enderle sttacking Linux on new year’s eve. He does this in Mac sites too < http://daringfireball.net/2003/12/enderle > driving them mad. I remember the days when I was new to scanning news sites and people had to instruct me on the presence of “moles” that must not receive attention, or else they will provoke some more (that’s what they want). Jan 01 08:34
schestowitz It’s the same with physical newspapers BTW, but I don’t explore these. Political buffs know who’s with who and who can be trusted. Jan 01 08:34
schestowitz The Future of Compiz In Question < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?p… > Jan 01 08:35
schestowitz A friend says: “Is Novell betraying the FOSS community or helping us eat Microsoft’s lunch?  Probably a little bit of both, but with a greater emphasis on the latter, rather than the former.  openSUSE is listed as one of the 10 best “open source” products of 2008, along with Intrepid and Fedora 9, due to openSUSE’s ability to convert some MS files…” Jan 01 08:35
schestowitz CRN is boosting Novell stuff *smacks forehead* http://www.crn.com/it-channel/212501022… rom that page: “There is some business advantage to consider OpenSUSE instead of Ubuntu or Fedora because of Novell’s relationship with Microsoft…” Jan 01 08:36
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Omar871 Hi Roy. Jan 01 08:37
schestowitz Hey Jan 01 08:37
schestowitz Where did the old nick go? Jan 01 08:37
Omar871 The old Nick? Jan 01 08:37
schestowitz “<Omar87>” — seems as though it was dropped Jan 01 08:38
Omar871 schestowitz: I’m not sure. Maybe because I was using the same profile on my other machine. Jan 01 08:39
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schestowitz I’ll post some links in BN Jan 01 08:40
Omar871 It does seem like a happy start for the new year, though, -_- Jan 01 08:41
schestowitz We had another record month last night Jan 01 08:42
schestowitz BN got a quarter of a million hits yesterday alone. Jan 01 08:42
schestowitz 3 gigbytes. :-) Jan 01 08:42
Omar871 Cool! Jan 01 08:43
Omar871 But, I’m talking about something else, man. Jan 01 08:43
schestowitz What is it then? Jan 01 08:44
schestowitz I think it’ll be a horrible year Jan 01 08:44
schestowitz But people are distracted by festivities. Jan 01 08:44
schestowitz Microsoft is set to lay off far more than people speculated on the face of it. Jan 01 08:44
Omar871 People of Gaza are being fried to death right now.. Jan 01 08:44
tessier Hopefully they’ll stop launching rockets. Jan 01 08:46
schestowitz tessier: they need to establish a ceasefire for good. Jan 01 08:47
schestowitz The right-wing idiots in Israel don’t help Jan 01 08:47
Omar871 Stop launching rocket? Not before Israelis stop frying them with their most lethal, a globally prohibited weapon systems on earth. Jan 01 08:49
Omar871 and* Jan 01 08:49
Omar871 Stop a couple of men from launching simple and tiny fireworks at them, they go and burn the entire city down? Kill the innocent kids and women? How’s that fair? Jan 01 08:51
schestowitz I think all those responsible for violating laws need to be brought to trial. Jan 01 08:51
schestowitz The same goes for the US Jan 01 08:51
Omar871 Who are you talk about exactly? Jan 01 08:51
schestowitz Bush and Cheney need to be trailed for crimes against humanity and other offenses.. Jan 01 08:52
tessier Omar871: Israel wasn’t frying them two weeks ago. But rockets were falling. Jan 01 08:52
schestowitz Omar871: whoever. Either side. Jan 01 08:52
schestowitz There are rules that are not obeyed Jan 01 08:52
schestowitz Creative Commons flourishing despite rough economy < http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/2008… > Jan 01 08:53
Omar871 Well, Israel is the only country that has never ever obeyed a rule ever since it was established. Jan 01 08:54
Omar871 tessier, and missles were falling whether or not rockets were launched. Jan 01 08:55
schestowitz This reminds me of US capitalism Jan 01 08:55
schestowitz There are rules, but nobody enfroces them Jan 01 08:55
schestowitz Or it’s done selectively. Jan 01 08:55
schestowitz Those who enforce the rules only bother with those whom they are not friends with. Jan 01 08:55
schestowitz The US has committed its share of violations too Jan 01 08:56
schestowitz For example, targeted assassinations in South America if the government wasn’t a puppet of the US Jan 01 08:56
tessier schestowitz: After spending a year in Vietnam where they have capitalism without democracy I realized that the US does a better job than anyone in enforcing the rules. If you think things are bad here go to somewhere like Vietnam or even Gaza. Corruption and death like you cannot imagine. Jan 01 08:56
schestowitz I see you point, but.. Jan 01 08:57
tessier Omar871: Before last week it had been quite a while before missiles were falling in Gaza. Jan 01 08:57
schestowitz The US stagnates in terms of its ability to enforce trade rules. Watch the SEC and FTC… Jan 01 08:57
tessier But nothing. We can improve but we’re still the fattest and the most spoiled in the whole planet. Jan 01 08:57
Omar871 tessier And the same is for the rockets. Jan 01 08:58
schestowitz And then there are obvious violations for which its leader never stood trial. Jan 01 08:58
schestowitz Many sides deserve the blame in each conflict Jan 01 08:58
Omar871 tessier: And can you tell me what’s a small rocket compared to an F16? Jan 01 08:58
tessier Omar871: My understanding is that there has been a pretty steady flow of rockets over the last year. Jan 01 08:58
schestowitz But if only the UN or whatever wasn’t a toothless tiger Jan 01 08:58
tessier Omar871: Just because they are poor with crappy weapons doesn’t mean they can do whatever they want and get sympathy. Jan 01 08:59
schestowitz tessier: I think it’s done for a reason. Jan 01 08:59
Omar871 tessier: They were all a response to the endless attacks from Israeli’s Jan 01 08:59
schestowitz Being repressed isn’t easy, either. Jan 01 09:00
tessier Omar871: What do you think the Israeli’s want? Jan 01 09:00
schestowitz Omar871: that’s why ceasefire would be best. No casualties. Jan 01 09:00
tessier Omar871: Somehow the vast majority of the world gets along with Israel. But I don’t know many people who get along with Hamas. Jan 01 09:00
schestowitz They all need to stop thinking with ego and realise that peaceful coexistence is better. Jan 01 09:00
tessier It is Israel’s misfortune to have bad neighbors. Jan 01 09:00
Omar871 tessier: Actually you seem to have no idea what happened. Jan 01 09:02
schestowitz The pres is bised Jan 01 09:02
schestowitz *biased Jan 01 09:02
tessier Omar871: So inform me. Can you give me a url to the most recent Israeli attack prior to the violence of the last week? Jan 01 09:03
Omar871 tessier: the palestinians were living in peace when israelis came and occupied their land, and started killing them massively. Jan 01 09:03
schestowitz It leads to misconceptions through omission mostly (the ‘press’) Jan 01 09:03
tessier Omar871: Are you referring to the creation of Israel in the first place? Jan 01 09:03
tessier Omar871: Or which land specifically are you referring to? Jan 01 09:04
Omar871 http://clipat.maktoob.com/video.php… Jan 01 09:04
Omar871 Maybe you won’t understand what’s written in there. Jan 01 09:04
tessier Omar871: You know I am now a minority in my own country right? We used to be almost all white Europeans here. Now greater than 50% of California is latino. They have invaded our land. Yet somehow we exist without war. Jan 01 09:05
tessier uh.. Jan 01 09:05
tessier Yeah. I’m not going to understand a word of that. Sorry. I only speak english and spanish. Jan 01 09:05
Omar871 But you will absolutely have no trouble understanding the pictures in the video. Jan 01 09:05
tessier Video without context? No thanks. Jan 01 09:05
schestowitz As I understand it, Arab Israelis are still therein the split state  and more Palestinians arrived much later Jan 01 09:06
Omar871 http://translate.google.jo/trans… Jan 01 09:07
Omar871 Here’s the translation Jan 01 09:07
tessier Why do all of these websites sound so nutty talking about lord and god and martyrs? Jan 01 09:08
tessier How about some names, dates, places, events, timelines, etc? Jan 01 09:08
tessier Maybe it’s just the translation. Jan 01 09:08
tessier And when faced with a much more powerful enemy would on earth would one provoke them by firing rockets? Jan 01 09:09
tessier s/would/why/ Jan 01 09:09
tessier Sounds like they need fewer martyrs and more diplomats. Jan 01 09:09
tessier I saw the president (or prime minister, I forget) of Palestine on TV and he sounded fairly reasonable. Jan 01 09:10
tessier Then they had some guys wearing masks talking about dying for their cause to the last one. Jan 01 09:10
tessier I know if I were Israel I would much rather deal with the former. Jan 01 09:10
tessier I think the problem is that they can’t maintain security within their own country without getting themselves killed. Jan 01 09:11
tessier I bet the president would very much like to talk but his hands are tied by extremists. Jan 01 09:11
tessier Security-wise it is like our situation down in Mexico with the drugs. We would all like the violence there to end. We have had hundreds killed in Tijuana alone in the last year. More than have been killed in the last week of war between Israel and Gaza. Jan 01 09:12
tessier But that war right down the street from me gets no news coverage outside of the immediate area. Jan 01 09:12
tessier And nobody is talking such nuttery as suicide bombers such as in Israel/Gaza. Jan 01 09:12
Omar871 http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/2… Jan 01 09:13
Omar871 But, still, you’re not making any sense. Jan 01 09:14
Omar871 Did you read the history? Jan 01 09:15
Omar871 Do you know how Israel was established? Jan 01 09:15
tessier 350 people dead is one of the largest massacres in 60 years? We had over 3000 people killed in one morning on September 11, 2001. And the guys who did it love to send their videos to Al Jazeera for air time. Jan 01 09:15
tessier Yes. Although I bet you have a different version of the history. Jan 01 09:15
Omar871 What’s your version? Jan 01 09:16
tessier “The Road To 9/11″ does a good job of explaining how the whole middle-east was divided up after the Austro-Hungarian empire fell after World War I. Jan 01 09:16
tessier And then talks about the creation of Israel after WWII. Jan 01 09:16
tessier If Israel stopped the invasion immediately would the rocket attacks from Gaza also stop immediately? Jan 01 09:18
tessier “Even some Arab outlets have attempted to equate Palestinian resistance – and homemade rockets – with the might of the Israeli military machine.” – Home made rockets that travel 19 kilometers?! That seems rather unlikely. I can’t even make a home made rocket here in the US that will fly 19km using purpose-made hobby rocket motors etc. Jan 01 09:19
tessier hah…funny coincidence: My wife was given a gift of some hand lotion and other beauty supplies. We just noticed on the box “Made In Israel” Jan 01 09:25
tessier “At least 19 civilians in Israel have now been killed by rockets fired from Gaza in the past eight years.” – Only 19? I’m surprised Israel is that concerned. I also wonder why some sort of Patriot (or similar) anti-missile system cannot be used to ring Gaza with a shield. Jan 01 09:33
Omar871 tessier: That’s a big fat lie. Jan 01 09:36
tessier What is? Jan 01 09:36
Omar871 tessier: That 19 isleali’s only were killed by rockets in the past 8 years. Jan 01 09:36
tessier More were killed? Jan 01 09:36
Omar871 Yes much more. Jan 01 09:37
Omar871 tessier: Plus, again, you’re not making sense. Jan 01 09:37
Omar871 tessier: You’re not fair either. Jan 01 09:37
tessier They were all civilians right? As far as I know these rockets do not have targeting systems. They fly at random. Jan 01 09:37
Omar871 tessier: Wrong. Jan 01 09:37
tessier The rockets have guidance? Jan 01 09:38
Omar871 tessier: The F16 have targeting systems, and 100000% of their targets are innocent kids. Jan 01 09:38
Omar871 tessier: No, but “They were all civilians” is wrong. Jan 01 09:39
tessier I am not talking about the F-16′s. I know very well that airplane. I am talking about Israeli’s killed by Hamas rockets. Israel says 19 people have been killed by rockets in the last 8 years. You say there were more? Jan 01 09:39
Omar871 And I’m not talking about Isreali’s killed by Hammas rockets, I’m talking the about the innocent families fried to death right in their homes by the F16. Jan 01 09:41
tessier Why can Hamas launch rockets without guidance at civilian populations in Israel and it’s ok but Israel cannot do the same? Jan 01 09:41
Omar871 tessier: And yes, I say they were much more. Jan 01 09:41
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Omar871 tessier: Because, when Hammas fire rockets, that’s their fair tiny response to the one big huge isreali missile that fried 50 innocent people at once. Jan 01 09:43
tessier Sounds ethically the same to me. Hamas is simply very poor with crude weapons. Jan 01 09:43
tessier Maybe Hamas should build some factories, make some money, and buy their own jets. Jan 01 09:44
Omar871 tessier: And they’re fighting back to because Isreal killed their famillies. Jan 01 09:44
Omar871 tessier: That’s not possible. Jan 01 09:44
tessier The Israeli’s did it. Jan 01 09:44
tessier And if putting up a fight isn’t possible maybe they should fight less and talk more. Jan 01 09:45
Omar871 tessier: Because weapons are prohibited from hamas, but all colors, shapes, and types of the world’s most lethal and globally prohibited weapons systems, are totally allowed for isreal. Jan 01 09:45
Omar871 Can you tell me how, on earth is that fair? Jan 01 09:45
tessier Omar871: If weapons were really prohibited from Hamas where are those rockets that land in Israel coming from? Jan 01 09:46
Omar871 tessier: They are making them. Jan 01 09:46
Omar871 tessier: Plus, for the tenth time, you’re at sounding fair at all. Jan 01 09:47
tessier They are not making their own rockets that can fly 19 kilometers. Jan 01 09:48
tessier They are buying them from China. They are Katyusha rockets. Jan 01 09:48
Omar871 tessier: by your theory Israel is totally, allowed to have those lethal weapon systems, and using them to fry the innocent people, women and children to be precise, and Hamas is not allowed to fight back at all, how’s that fair? Jan 01 09:48
tessier The three countries that manufacture Grad-model Katyushas are China, Russia and Bulgaria. Jan 01 09:48
tessier Omar871: Life is not fair. War is not fair. Don’t get involved in a war. Jan 01 09:49
tessier Hamas has absolutely the worlds worst diplomats. Jan 01 09:49
Omar871 tessier: Tell Israel to stop the missiles first. Jan 01 09:50
tessier Israel wasn’t firing missiles at Gaza the week before last. Jan 01 09:50
tessier If they stop now what will be any different? Jan 01 09:50
Omar871 tessier: And neither was Hamas, if you haven’t notices. Jan 01 09:51
Omar871 noticed* Jan 01 09:51
tessier I thought you said many more than 19 people were killed in Israel by Hamas rockets? Jan 01 09:51
Omar871 tessier: Yes. Jan 01 09:51
tessier Hamas has been launching rockets into Israel for years. Jan 01 09:51
tessier And Israel was not flying F-16′s over Gaza. Jan 01 09:51
tessier Until last week. Jan 01 09:51
Omar871 tessier: Not true. Jan 01 09:51
tessier You pick on someone long enough and even the most patient man will get tired of it. Jan 01 09:52
tessier Omar871: There have been F-16 attacks in Gaza before last week? Jan 01 09:52
Omar871 tessier: No, and neither was there any rockets launched at Isreal. Jan 01 09:52
tessier I’m confused. Jan 01 09:52
tessier You said far more than 19 Israeli’s were killed by Hamas rockets in the last 8 years. Now you say there were no rockets. I’m confused. Jan 01 09:53
Omar871 I’m not talking about the past 8 years. Jan 01 09:53
Omar871 I’m talking about the past month. Jan 01 09:53
Omar871 Plus, 8 ago isn’t when Isreal was established, and it isn’t when all this war has begun. Jan 01 09:55
tessier So Hamas launched unguided Katyusha rockets at Israel for at least 7 years and 11 months but none in the last month and killed many more than 19 Israeli’s. Jan 01 09:55
tessier I know. I say 8 only because the statistic I am aware of says 19 killed in the last 8 years. I know it has gone on far longer than that. Jan 01 09:55
tessier So you are saying that Hamas has been a good neighbor for the last month and despite everything that has happened before Israel has no legitimate reason for attacking Gaza. Correct? Jan 01 09:56
tessier Just trying to understand what you are saying. Jan 01 09:56
schestowitz A fair question to ask is, what led to the rockets in the first place. Jan 01 09:56
Omar871 Well, the static you have is not a holy book, it’s a big fat liy. Jan 01 09:56
schestowitz The frustration comes from sieges too. Jan 01 09:56
Omar871 schestowitz: The frustration came from the massecres of Sabra and Shateila. Jan 01 09:57
tessier schestowitz: And the sieges came from suicide bombers making their way into Israel and the suicide bombers were motivated by something else Israel did and it’s forever an endless tit for tat. Jan 01 09:57
schestowitz This is why diplomacy is needed. Jan 01 09:57
tessier schestowitz: Exactly. Jan 01 09:57
tessier Someone has got to end it. Jan 01 09:57
schestowitz Yes Jan 01 09:57
schestowitz Yes to both Jan 01 09:57
tessier I will praise highly whoever decide to stop shooting first instead of justifying another round of violence. Jan 01 09:57
tessier Be it Hamas or Israel. Jan 01 09:57
schestowitz Aye Jan 01 09:57
tessier And with that pleasant universal agreement among us all I must now get to bed. Jan 01 09:58
tessier Thanks for the interesting chat. I really like hearing your point of view, Omar871. Goodnight! :) Jan 01 09:58
Omar871 tessier: first tell Israel to get rid of their lethal weapon systems, and then come talking about diplomacy. Jan 01 09:58
Omar871 tessier: No problem. :) Jan 01 09:58
schestowitz Yup Jan 01 09:58
schestowitz No nukes Jan 01 09:58
schestowitz Same with the US Jan 01 09:59
Omar871 Exactly. Jan 01 09:59
schestowitz Otherwise it’s hypocrisy that jepardizes the world Jan 01 09:59
schestowitz I worry a lot more about nukes than some missiles Jan 01 09:59
Omar871 Yeah, that’s true. Jan 01 09:59
schestowitz Less war, more agreements Jan 01 10:00
schestowitz Cold wars also. Jan 01 10:01
Omar871 Umm, yeah. Jan 01 10:01
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/156245… http://www.pcworld.com/article/156240/microsoft_… :-) Read the first one. Jan 01 10:02
Omar871 OH! I 4got to tell you. Jan 01 10:04
schestowitz You got Zune??” ;-) Jan 01 10:04
Omar871 Next tuesday, we’ll be holding a Linux Installation Festival at my you Uni. Jan 01 10:04
schestowitz Excellent. Jan 01 10:04
schestowitz LUG? Jan 01 10:04
Omar871 A LIF. Jan 01 10:05
Omar871 Linux Installation Festival. Jan 01 10:05
schestowitz Which distros? Jan 01 10:05
Omar871 I’m not sure yet. Jan 01 10:05
schestowitz I quite like some distros that I see. Jan 01 10:05
schestowitz Parsix looks nice. Jan 01 10:05
schestowitz I have accumulated many articles about it. Jan 01 10:05
Omar871 Of course, there’ll be Fedora, Ubuntu, and couple more. Jan 01 10:06
schestowitz It’s Debian or Ubuntu based (maybe they changed) Jan 01 10:06
Omar871 Parsix is good, yeah. Jan 01 10:06
schestowitz I assume localisation is needed. Jan 01 10:06
Omar871 Localisation? Jan 01 10:06
schestowitz Though I never used anything but English Jan 01 10:07
Omar871 Oh, you mean Arabic Language? Jan 01 10:07
schestowitz or *languages Jan 01 10:07
schestowitz I can’t quite tell the difference between the tongues Jan 01 10:08
Omar871 Oh, yeah, speaking of Languages, there’s also a brand new distro based on Fedora, that was release a couple of weeks ago. Jan 01 10:08
Omar871 It’s called Ojouba (meaning: Miracle). Jan 01 10:09
schestowitz Omega? Jan 01 10:09
schestowitz Oh Jan 01 10:09
schestowitz Maybe not on DistroWatch Jan 01 10:09
Omar871 No, not yet. Jan 01 10:09
Omar871 It was made by a man who lives in Zarqa, Jordan. Jan 01 10:10
Omar871 Lol, he once gave an Alpha version of it, to try it out and give him my feed back. Jan 01 10:10
Omar871 Too bad my HDD got screwed up a couple of days after, and I couldn’t use it. Jan 01 10:11
schestowitz Was it made with the spinner? Jan 01 10:12
Omar871 spinner? Jan 01 10:12
schestowitz Many people can create it this way Jan 01 10:12
schestowitz Yes, also USB keys Jan 01 10:12
Omar871 What’s a spinner? Jan 01 10:12
schestowitz I wonder if the MAFIAA collects “you’re a third” tax on USB drives Jan 01 10:13
schestowitz Let me get a link Jan 01 10:13
Omar871 sure. Jan 01 10:13
schestowitz Hehe. Jan 01 10:14
schestowitz Check top result: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&… Jan 01 10:14
schestowitz http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ Jan 01 10:17
schestowitz Feelin’ right at home at FB :-) http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/195/105… Jan 01 10:20
schestowitz Security experts work out how to hack banks < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/196… > Jan 01 10:21
schestowitz AMD lays off 100 more < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne… > Abu Dhabi has some shares, IIRC. Jan 01 10:23
schestowitz Microsoft’s Latest Global Problem < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008… > Jan 01 10:54
schestowitz The cute one is apparently leaving Google.. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/… Earthquakes start: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/1… Jan 01 10:54
Omar871 schestowitz: I’m having a feeling that Europe is more FOSS supportive than the US, what do you think? Jan 01 11:26
schestowitz Of course. Jan 01 11:33
schestowitz US is /very/ bad when it comes to FOSS, for a fact confirmed by polls and some research for trustworthy sources. The UK is the exception in Europe; it’s very, very supportive of the white-collars criminals. Jan 01 11:33
schestowitz *collar Jan 01 11:34
Omar871 white-collar? Jan 01 11:34
schestowitz The biggest criminals wear suits Jan 01 11:34
schestowitz The UK supports some of them. Jan 01 11:34
Omar871 You, mean the UK is the worst country when it comes to supporting FOSS? Jan 01 11:35
schestowitz That too, but there are other issues. I don’t want to go under the radar of ‘dissidence’ hunters ;-) Jan 01 11:36
Omar871 :) Jan 01 11:37
schestowitz My new year’s resolution is 3520×1200 Jan 01 11:43
trmanco :o Jan 01 11:43
schestowitz Last year’s was better Jan 01 11:43
schestowitz 3840×1440 Jan 01 11:44
schestowitz Looking at my log for the past 3 hours, I find: Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz microsoft layoffs1523.8 % Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz microsoft69.5 % Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz microsoft layoff46.3 % Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz microsoft layoffs 200834.7 % Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz boycottnovell23.1 % Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz boycott novell23.1 % Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz novell23.1 % Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz free download window vista-7 software11.5 % Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz opensuse turn off firewall selinux11.5 % Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz opensuse 11.1 reviews11.5 % Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz =============== Jan 01 11:46
schestowitz That’s search referrals. In just 3 hours. Jan 01 11:46
trmanco *LOL* -> free download window vista-7 software 1 1.5 % Jan 01 11:48
schestowitz “Vista 7″ Jan 01 11:49
schestowitz They start to get it. ;-) Freudian slip? Jan 01 11:49
schestowitz Microsoft plague threatens 30GB Zune extinction < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1… > Jan 01 11:54
schestowitz “Some have also experienced the sudden Zune death with 80GB models.” Jan 01 11:55
schestowitz “At noon Pacific time on December 31, Microsoft tossed us the same statement it tossed Ars. Still no solution to speak of.” Jan 01 11:55
schestowitz Bricking of Zunes… Microsoft is ruining itself. Jan 01 11:56
schestowitz Future issues: Is Google’s culture grab unstoppable? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/31/c… > Jan 01 11:56
trmanco I love Windows. I really, really do. (Yeah, right): http://theflamingbanker.blogspot…. Jan 01 12:07
schestowitz Whose fault is it? Jan 01 12:09
trmanco Windows I guess Jan 01 12:10
trmanco DLL problem Jan 01 12:10
schestowitz Rage Against the Zune (watch photo): http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micro… Jan 01 12:11
schestowitz These Microsoft lackeys fail to get across the real story: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micr… Jan 01 12:12
schestowitz The real story is about Microsoft putting in prison people whom it knew and implicitly ENDORSED for a long time. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/0… Jan 01 12:12
trmanco yeah, nice photo Jan 01 12:12
schestowitz They are going extinct these Zune… maybe the last nail of their coffin… see links in COLA. Jan 01 12:13
trmanco yep, already saw them Jan 01 12:16
schestowitz http://lwn.net/Articles/311670/ Jan 01 12:17
schestowitz Wow!! http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_sto… Jan 01 12:25
schestowitz The story: Jan 01 12:25
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/new… Jan 01 12:25
schestowitz Steve Stites: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor… “Richard Stallman’s ideas on Free Software are grounded in academic freedom. I think that his ideas are well thought out and I agree with them.” Jan 01 12:29
schestowitz bbl Jan 01 12:57
MinceR how are you gentlemen !! Jan 01 14:04
Omar871 We’re fine, how are you Jan 01 14:09
Omar871 ? Jan 01 14:09
MinceR me too Jan 01 14:11
schestowitz Gentlemen, eh? Jan 01 15:52
schestowitz BN has some females too. Jan 01 15:52
schestowitz Thanks to feedback from reader: “I just cleaned up the text, do you want it verified from the source, what is the source doc ? If I understand correctly and in relation to MS getting Sony to finance and IBM to do the actual work on the XBOX processor, a brief quote from billg re getting IBMed would have done and a link to the whole doc ..” Jan 01 16:06
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/01/microsoft-… (I merged the texts to avoid typos) Jan 01 16:06
schestowitz This reader that I quote there and attribute says: “Boycottnovell is too focused on the Microsoft/Novell partnership. We need to broaden it out and attract a bigger readership. So how about it .. this could be as big as Groklaw ? A combination Wiki and Blog ?? GL is more of a legal site, I’m talking about a tech-business related site ..” Jan 01 16:09
schestowitz He thinks I should also quick COLA, which would harm advocacy and research by people.. :-( “It would also be a good time to stop posting to COLA and publish this new blog semi-anonymously ..” Jan 01 16:09
schestowitz Another reader writes: ‘”I was asked for 2009 expectations, and I mentioned that Microsoft might file for Chapter 11 in 2009. If those 15k layoffs do come up, it will be interesting how many people start wondering «hmms… better sell my shares»… :) “” Jan 01 16:10
schestowitz Barron’s won’t tell them. NBC won’t tell them. Rob Enderle won’t tell us. ;-) Neither will Gar$tner. Remember how SCO went down?  Enron? Jan 01 16:10
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schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/20081230/… (How Is It Cyberbullying When Students Are Exposing Teacher Abuses?) I started reading this site 2 months ago and I enjoy it very much. It covers important issues. Mass Failure Of 30GB Zunes Shows That At Least A Few People Actually Own Zunes < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081231… > Jan 01 16:17
schestowitz A part of Microsoft is already dying: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Endangere… Jan 01 16:24
schestowitz garyedwards : http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161… Why does he comment on a 2007 article?????? Jan 01 16:35
schestowitz http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corpor… OMG, is “Mary Jo” really Mary Jo Foley?? Jan 01 16:48
schestowitz Did she say “Really, go suck on a razor blade and get over it.”??? Jan 01 16:48
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trmanco http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/… Jan 01 17:07
trmanco another MS bug? Jan 01 17:07
schestowitz Ewww.. Windows is ugly. Jan 01 17:08
schestowitz And buggy too. Jan 01 17:08
schestowitz Like progress bars that go past 100% Jan 01 17:09
schestowitz Or Zunes that die on a pseudo-leap year.. Jan 01 17:09
trmanco lol Jan 01 17:09
trmanco microlife Jan 01 17:09
schestowitz .Microfle^H^H^H^H0x00DF Jan 01 17:13
kevin_ heh… i saw people saying that you shouldn’t be allowed to get a windows refund because you can’t get an engine refund when you buy a car Jan 01 17:15
trmanco it is not the same thing Jan 01 17:16
kevin_ correct. when i buy a car, i can take the engine out and hand it to you Jan 01 17:16
kevin_ there was a blog where someone talked about their experiences getting refunds though. it was an interesting read Jan 01 17:17
kevin_ http://www.linux.com/arti… Jan 01 17:18
schestowitz Windows is not an engine. It’s more like an exhaust pipe Jan 01 17:18
neighborlee rofl Jan 01 17:19
neighborlee good one there roy ;) Jan 01 17:19
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divinebovine oh hi Jan 01 17:28
neighborlee hi there Jan 01 17:28
divinebovine hehe didnt know this chan existed Jan 01 17:28
divinebovine neighborlee: i thought what you said made a lot of sense Jan 01 17:28
neighborlee divinebovine: well kewl now you do ;)hehe Jan 01 17:28
neighborlee divinebovine: ??? Jan 01 17:28
neighborlee oh wait..you mean #blender ? Jan 01 17:28
divinebovine yeah Jan 01 17:28
neighborlee ahhhhhhhhh Jan 01 17:28
neighborlee well,,thank you for your support..for a moment I thought i’d get heckled HUGE,but things were ok I guess ;) Jan 01 17:29
neighborlee someone asked for my opinion afterall, so I gave it ;) Jan 01 17:29
divinebovine i’m always amazed at how seemingly smart peple can think in such confused ways Jan 01 17:29
neighborlee divinebovine: but I didnt want to digress any longer , since ahem its for blender not mono talk :) Jan 01 17:29
divinebovine yeah *nod* :) Jan 01 17:30
neighborlee :) Jan 01 17:30
neighborlee yes true..I think the trouble is many dont realize the mess mono is Jan 01 17:31
neighborlee they trudge along, using it not realizing.. Jan 01 17:31
divinebovine mono is flipping insanity Jan 01 17:31
divinebovine i’m convinced that the dude that started is a troll paid by ms Jan 01 17:31
neighborlee we see that clearly..sadly not enough do yet Jan 01 17:31
divinebovine thats theonly way to explain his behaviour Jan 01 17:31
neighborlee I always suspect as much yes Jan 01 17:31
neighborlee to see it in #blender,,kinda surprised me,,bu hey its not a small channel anymore ;)) Jan 01 17:32
divinebovine this boycott novell has nothing to do with idealism Jan 01 17:32
neighborlee correct Jan 01 17:32
neighborlee its about ob jective journalism Jan 01 17:32
divinebovine i wish it was more clear that it has to do with business strategy Jan 01 17:32
divinebovine ms cannot use their old strategy of extend and extinguish Jan 01 17:32
divinebovine not with open source Jan 01 17:32
divinebovine but they can muddy the watters by infiltrating the community Jan 01 17:32
divinebovine thats the purpose novel and whatsis name serve Jan 01 17:33
neighborlee very correct Jan 01 17:33
neighborlee sadly Jan 01 17:33
divinebovine at one time when i started with linux i thought our biggest problem was money and resources Jan 01 17:33
divinebovine or lack thereof Jan 01 17:33
neighborlee OMG how things have changed ;) Jan 01 17:34
divinebovine then one day someone explained to me that putting money into the debian project would taint it in bad ways Jan 01 17:34
divinebovine tre Jan 01 17:34
divinebovine true even Jan 01 17:34
divinebovine but Jan 01 17:34
neighborlee :) Jan 01 17:34
divinebovine the debian philosophy has turned out to be true Jan 01 17:34
divinebovine and rms was right at the end of all of this Jan 01 17:34
neighborlee yeah taint is a weird word in today world..chicago politics being  amoung some of the nastiest examples ;) Jan 01 17:34
neighborlee as of late I mean ;) Jan 01 17:34
divinebovine heh Jan 01 17:35
neighborlee divinebovine: yes and thank god debian ( and fedora of course) , aren’t using mono/moonlight ;)) Jan 01 17:35
neighborlee major whew ;) Jan 01 17:35
neighborlee at least      fedora doesnt in livecd..dvd is sadly, a entirely different matter. Jan 01 17:35
divinebovine i dropped gnome for a lot of reasons Jan 01 17:35
neighborlee me too Jan 01 17:35
divinebovine but one of them was the continual use of mono Jan 01 17:35
divinebovine its insanity Jan 01 17:35
neighborlee I never thought I would..but its toast for me. Jan 01 17:35
neighborlee yup Jan 01 17:36
divinebovine same here Jan 01 17:36
divinebovine *nod* Jan 01 17:36
neighborlee :(* Jan 01 17:36
divinebovine i’ve used it for years and years Jan 01 17:36
neighborlee me too…literally Jan 01 17:36
divinebovine luckily qt is fully gpld now and the kde team really understands freedom in the rms/debian sense i think Jan 01 17:36
divinebovine i hope it stays that way Jan 01 17:36
neighborlee I hope so as well Jan 01 17:37
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neighborlee divinebovine: rms himself says ,,if things like fspot, tomboy are ‘that’ important/kewl, they should be  rewritten in something else..Idoubt many know that ;) Jan 01 17:42
neighborlee divinebovine: it wasn’t that long ago really, that he said it either Jan 01 17:42
neighborlee go figure Jan 01 17:43
divinebovine indeed Jan 01 17:43
divinebovine as such, both apps suck the big one Jan 01 17:43
divinebovine especially fspot Jan 01 17:43
schestowitz Hey Jan 01 17:43
neighborlee hi roy Jan 01 17:43
neighborlee happy new years ;)) Jan 01 17:43
schestowitz I was distracted by some Zune post I’m doing. Jan 01 17:44
neighborlee ahhhh imagine that ;) Jan 01 17:44
neighborlee what a mess  about zune ;))lol Jan 01 17:44
neighborlee I think Microsoft just likes the press LOL Jan 01 17:44
*schestowitz catches up Jan 01 17:44
schestowitz It’s bad press… the Zune Jan 01 17:45
neighborlee divinebovine: they just need alternatives..many dont completely realize that fspot can be replaced by  say gthumb and such..and tomboy easily by zim etc. Jan 01 17:45
schestowitz Zune hardly gets much press Jan 01 17:45
schestowitz People will not associate it with bugs and DRM Jan 01 17:45
neighborlee well I meant press in general heh Jan 01 17:45
neighborlee schestowitz: ah ic Jan 01 17:45
divinebovine yup Jan 01 17:46
divinebovine neighborlee: i’ll try to visit more often :) Jan 01 17:46
divinebovine glad to see this channel going, its great Jan 01 17:46
divinebovine bbl Jan 01 17:46
neighborlee my friend uses windows 99%, though she is geek friendly linux user too..and she never uses a note taking app… Jan 01 17:46
neighborlee so to me its just ‘fluff’ to      try to penetrate with mono Jan 01 17:47
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*neighborlee waves Jan 01 17:47
schestowitz What’s that GNOME quote about Windows toys? Jan 01 17:48
neighborlee dunno never hoid it Jan 01 17:51
schestowitz A quick word about the Zune disaster of December 30th: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/01/f… Jan 01 17:51
schestowitz neighborlee: read it quickly (it’s short) and let me know if you find something wonky or typos. :-) Ta Jan 01 17:52
schestowitz Now I’ll do a quickie about Apple. Jan 01 17:52
neighborlee its fine roy Jan 01 17:55
neighborlee yeah apple totally dominates Jan 01 17:56
neighborlee I dont have one, prob. never will as I only will use ogg,,but hey  they do ;) Jan 01 17:56
neighborlee speaking of which I need to buy myself sometime soon , a ogg compat player, get rid of this old mp3 only one ;) Jan 01 17:57
neighborlee gotta run to freinds, watching movie it seems..bbl all take care ;) Jan 01 17:57
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schestowitz http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.p… It’s not the first ever. Also, the big one has already begun. 15,000 to be laid off. Jan 01 20:24
schestowitz The author of this is always pro-Microsoft. Jan 01 20:24
schestowitz Blech. “For that reason, Rob Enderle, an industry analyst with the Enderle Group, doubts that layoffs have been communicated to employees en masse — at least, not yet.” Jan 01 20:24
schestowitz Yuck!! They talk to Enderle. How sad is that? “Layoffs “wouldn’t surprise me,” Enderle told InternetNews.com. “But I haven’t heard anything about it.”” <<<<<<< told InternetNews.com Jan 01 20:25
schestowitz I used to think Intel owned the trademark of Netbook (someone warned me) so I’ve always said “sub-notebook”. It turns out that the netbook Web site is owned by Intel. Jan 01 20:25
schestowitz Barrier brought down: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/virtual… Jan 01 20:30
schestowitz HUH?? http://fsfe.org/en/fellows/ciaran/ciaran_s… “A good article-style blog entry can take six hours to write! “ Jan 01 20:35
trmanco LOL -> http://bleachbit.blogspot.com/2008/12/bleachbit-0… Jan 01 20:43
schestowitz Slog?  “The ZIL code should not avoid write to the slog if the pool have a better throughput?” http://www.eall.com.br/blog/?p=842 Jan 01 20:58
trmanco LOL Jan 01 20:59
trmanco isn’t that the stuff that cars get in their engines? Jan 01 21:00
schestowitz Slog = MS “evangelism is WAR” Jan 01 21:01
schestowitz “I just want to say how much Gnome sucks as a desktop environment and I want to brag about KDE as the best Desktop environment that exist, far better than any of the Windows desktops..” http://www.debatepolitics.com/science-… Jan 01 21:01
schestowitz The Tux is GROWING. A penguin population boom at SeaWorld < http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/… > Jan 01 21:01
schestowitz Comment: “This must be the only place in San Diego they don’t pass out condoms.” Jan 01 21:02
schestowitz “This must be the only place in San Diego they don’t pass out condoms. Are you kidding these Penguins are from Utah.” Jan 01 21:02
trmanco hmm Jan 01 21:03
trmanco GNOME on Fedora ins’t bloated that’s all Jan 01 21:04
trmanco isn’t Jan 01 21:04
trmanco I have FC9 at school and Nautilus does suck…. Jan 01 21:05
schestowitz How to stop OpenSuse’s Christmas Grub Theme < http://tuxtraining.com/2008/12/31/how-t… > WTF? Jan 01 21:05
schestowitz Compared to /what/ does it suck? Jan 01 21:05
trmanco Good thing people have choices in the Linux world Jan 01 21:06
trmanco well, that user said a bunch oh “suck” words against nautilus Jan 01 21:06
trmanco of* Jan 01 21:06
schestowitz http://www.blog.steveklabnik.com/2008/12/31/g… Jan 01 21:07
schestowitz R U next? Jan 01 21:07
trmanco if he saw Ubuntu’s nautilus he would’t say all that non sense Jan 01 21:07
schestowitz On Fedora: http://larrythefreesoftwareguy.wordp… Jan 01 21:09
trmanco haven’t tried 10 yet Jan 01 21:10
trmanco I’ll have to configure a squid server and I might choose Fedora or Debian Jan 01 21:11
trmanco at school* Jan 01 21:11
schestowitz I could not help commenting: http://www.workswithu.com/2009/01/01/bes… “I was hoping to find Canonical-specific things here. The ‘innovation’ comes from peers.” Jan 01 21:12
trmanco Canonical may innovate in Jaunty Jan 01 21:15
schestowitz “Some people say I like to beat Microsoft up. Not really. I just dislike bad technology, and Microsoft makes a lot of poor-quality hardware and software. Anyone unfortunate enough to own a 30GB Zune knows exactly what I mean.” http://www.pcworld.com/article/156250/z… Jan 01 21:15
schestowitz Jaunty is back in June, not *May* :-) Jan 01 21:15
trmanco what do you mean? Jan 01 21:16
schestowitz Just joking. Jan 01 21:17
schestowitz “(My favorite: “I love Wikipedia because it makes me appear smarter.” Not be smarter, just look smarter. Because ultimately isn’t that what people really want?)” http://www.pcworld.com/article/156249/wiki… Is ISG taking cheap shots at The Wiki? Jan 01 21:17
trmanco Berry Linux 0.94 Is Based on Fedora 10: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Berry-Linux… Jan 01 21:18
trmanco ok Jan 01 21:18
schestowitz Yes, I know. Jan 01 21:19
schestowitz I hardly see it tested Jan 01 21:19
schestowitz It’s Japanese, IIRC Jan 01 21:19
schestowitz Good link, thanks. I’ll post some to COLA now…  Gentoobayon [sic] has a new release also: http://www.sabayonlinux.org/page… Jan 01 21:20
trmanco Japanese people are smart :-P Jan 01 21:20
schestowitz yes. Jan 01 21:20
schestowitz They have a better system than in  the west from what I can gather Jan 01 21:20
trmanco I see some contributing to the kernel with giant patches Jan 01 21:20
schestowitz But the discipline and work culture is good as well. Jan 01 21:20
schestowitz Yes, they do Jan 01 21:20
schestowitz China joins the fray too Jan 01 21:20
trmanco yeah Jan 01 21:21
schestowitz They get translation of Linux (maybe just the comments) Jan 01 21:21
schestowitz Sony uses lots of Linux. Jan 01 21:21
schestowitz Someone has just E-mailed me this: Rumor: Microsoft to lay off 17% of staff on January 15, 2009 < http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/200… > Jan 01 21:25
trmanco 17%, how much is 17%? Jan 01 21:27
schestowitz About 15k Jan 01 21:29
trmanco Employees 89,809 in 105 countries (2008)[8] Jan 01 21:29
trmanco yes Jan 01 21:29
trmanco 15268 to be more precise Jan 01 21:30
trmanco will this effect the trolling department? Jan 01 21:30
trmanco :-p Jan 01 21:30
schestowitz Yes, and subsidiaries too Jan 01 21:32
schestowitz They have already fired in FAST and that erm…. I can’t recall the name of that other one.. something with fish Jan 01 21:33
trmanco lol Jan 01 21:34
schestowitz No, not Gary Jan 01 21:36
schestowitz I’m talking about a subsidiary Jan 01 21:36
schestowitz I had a glance at cola via Google Groups earlier (GG) and I saw that the Gary Munchkin has begun fearing your posts… some people at Microsoft must be worried to see a growing army of dissenters. Jan 01 21:37
trmanco oh, you read my mind Jan 01 21:40
schestowitz The trolling in COLA declines (compared to last year). Their capacity is lowered Jan 01 21:41
trmanco I really thought you were referring to a different specie of “fish” Jan 01 21:41
schestowitz In fact, the number of posts in COLA /rose/ this year, which is excellent. Jan 01 21:41
schestowitz 2500 subscribers registered on Google Groups (the numbers are not what you think though) Jan 01 21:41
trmanco maybe a lot more advocates joined COLA this year… Jan 01 21:42
trmanco oops Jan 01 21:42
trmanco last year (2008) Jan 01 21:42
schestowitz Let me check that company’s name… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/0… Jan 01 21:43
schestowitz Razorfish Jan 01 21:43
trmanco LOL Jan 01 21:43
schestowitz Yup Jan 01 21:43
schestowitz Maybe Razorfish employs flatfish :-) Jan 01 21:43
schestowitz That would explain the anger Jan 01 21:43
trmanco yeah, as I thought, a different specimen Jan 01 21:43
trmanco LOL Jan 01 21:43
trmanco one is flat the other is sharp Jan 01 21:43
schestowitz COLA was worse last year, IIRC Jan 01 21:44
schestowitz There were periods Jan 01 21:44
trmanco what 2008 or 2007? Jan 01 21:44
schestowitz Sometimes they storm the group, esp. around major releases, e.g. VIsta Jan 01 21:44
schestowitz It’s said that they have done it all through the years. Jan 01 21:44
schestowitz Like a Slog.. “Mindshare” Jan 01 21:44
trmanco yeah in 2007, too bad I wasn’t subed yet Jan 01 21:44
schestowitz It’s a fun place if you killfile the drek. Jan 01 21:44
trmanco oh yeah Jan 01 21:45
schestowitz Hours ago: “We shall see. I need COLA for research.” friend: “You’re kidding, I can’t remember the last time I read anything interesting on COLA. If you must post there then di it anonymously, that way when people Google on you they won’t get: “Roy Schestowitz: Portrait of a zealot | Herd Watching”” Jan 01 21:45
trmanco I’ve been reading COLA more seriously last month and I really have to say, that some advocates really have a good sense of humor Jan 01 21:46
schestowitz I find useful things in COLA Jan 01 21:46
schestowitz Me: “It’s too late for anonymity, mate.” Him: “Yea, but it’ll stop flattie and chums polluting Google search” Jan 01 21:46
trmanco *slam dunk* Jan 01 21:47
trmanco brb Jan 01 21:47
schestowitz Just don’t entertain the trolls. Jan 01 21:47
schestowitz Filter them if it helps Jan 01 21:47
schestowitz They use an old version: Fiddling with Ubuntu Netbook Remix < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100000… > Jan 01 22:41
trmanco back Jan 01 22:46
trmanco yeah I filter them Jan 01 22:47
schestowitz Trolls are loud. Lurkers are not trolls. Jan 01 22:48
schestowitz Same in BN Jan 01 22:48
schestowitz A reader easily gets the impression that mostly trolls read the site because only disruptors… well, disrupt. Jan 01 22:49
trmanco oh great Jan 01 22:50
trmanco fishy fish doesn’t like my formatting style Jan 01 22:51
trmanco it looks too similar to yours, just because of the boxquote thing I use Jan 01 22:52
schestowitz If the Munchkins don’t like something, it means it’s good Jan 01 22:53
schestowitz If they like something, it means it harms COLA or FOSS Jan 01 22:53
schestowitz If they attack a message, it means it scares Microsoft Jan 01 22:53
schestowitz Like the layoff thing… ODF… OpenOffice.org is one that makes them terrified every time. Jan 01 22:54
trmanco yes Jan 01 22:55
trmanco enough internet for today, cya Jan 01 23:01
schestowitz I still have an hour. Jan 01 23:04
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    With no real concept or notion of "elections" (the so-called 'mafia' members choose their successors and colleagues) the EPO's patent examiners clearly need outside intervention, e.g. inquest by the EU authorities (the EPC died and maybe the EPO too; it's unregulated and it grants false patents that harm Europe because the courts don't function, either)

  29. Today's Linux Standing for the Opposite of What Linux Users Stand for

    The so-called 'Linux' Foundation or the "Corporate Linux Foundation" is alienating many of the original users of GNU/Linux and it still insults their intelligence; it's rewriting history, it still distorts the objectives, and before we know Linux will perish and lose momentum because all the excitement associated with the brand will fizzle away

  30. Links 14/6/2021: Kdenlive 21.04.2 and Raspberry Pi 400 Support in Linux

    Links for the day

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