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trmancoI got it from one of your posts on usenet and it wasn't on this channel that I was thinking on posting the linkSep 11 22:43
PetoKraus:)Sep 11 22:47
schestowitzIt's an important one nonetheless because it's about Microsoft disregard for standards. There's lot of this in the Novell deal (interop versus real standards)Sep 11 22:47
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?... "I'm sure the LSE was a big part of Microsoft's Get the Facts campaign, and a poster for how reliable their software is. Mind you, it's not just Microsoft software but the culture that grows around it. I've seen some almighty messes made by Accenture, and given how much money that outage cost I'm not surprised no one is commenting."Sep 12 07:15
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schestowitzhttp://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news... "George Weiss, the vice president of Stamford, Conn.-based Gartner Inc., said that there is probably "a whole lot more Linux [in use] than people realize" because so much is downloaded for free that is not counted in server shipments."Sep 12 07:54
MinceRwhoa, gartner has discovered 'installed base'Sep 12 07:55
schestowitzNo.Sep 12 07:55
schestowitzIt denies it pretty much. And IDC/IDG meanwhile takes money from Microsoft to study 'Linux use' (preinstalls from large vendors) announcing that Linux has just 13% of the pieSep 12 07:56
schestowitzWeeks ago: "There's a lot of Linux out there -- much more than Microsoft generally signals publicly -- and their customers are using it..." --Paul DeGroot, a Directions On Microsoft analyst.Sep 12 07:57
schestowitzAnother recent favourite from the Partner Group (Microsoft's 'partner'): http://digg.com/linux_unix/GNU_... Sep 12 07:58
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schestowitzFWIW, I've just put that in Digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/A_Whole_Lot_M... http://digg.com/linux_unix/There_s_a_l...Sep 12 08:04
schestowitzOops. Typo in that second one.Sep 12 08:04
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schestowitzThe Microsoft-O-Gara shill is repeating some old speculation from Sam Dean: http://virtualization.sys-con.com/node/651819 (note: VMware is headed by Microsofters now)Sep 12 08:18
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ZiggyFishschestowitz: hey I like the video at the end of 'Links 11/09/2008: Many New Releases, KDE in CERN'Sep 12 10:09
schestowitzNo Ogg though.Sep 12 10:09
schestowitzMaybe I should get back to producing Oggs.Sep 12 10:10
ZiggyFishyeahSep 12 10:10
schestowitzIt fills up the server.Sep 12 10:10
ZiggyFishdidn't know linux could do thatSep 12 10:10
schestowitzThat's an old videoSep 12 10:10
schestowitzYears ago. Maybe 3 or 4.Sep 12 10:10
ZiggyFishanyway shows you the power of Linux.Sep 12 10:11
schestowitzIt came from an argument I had in USENETSep 12 10:11
ZiggyFishlolSep 12 10:11
schestowitzhttp://groups.google.com/group/comp... (many trolls here, so be warned)Sep 12 10:11
ZiggyFishlolSep 12 10:13
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ZiggyFishhttp://linuxvoid.com/2008/09/09/... (are these guys computers?)Sep 12 10:14
ZiggyFishthey sound like robotsSep 12 10:15
schestowitz*LOL*Sep 12 10:16
schestowitzMaybe their mother's tongue is RoboticsSep 12 10:16
ZiggyFishlolSep 12 10:16
ZiggyFishdon't you get that impression?Sep 12 10:16
schestowitzOne sounds more like a robotSep 12 10:17
ZiggyFishwhy can't they speak like the guys on Linux Action ShowSep 12 10:18
schestowitzIt's a Linux void (of soul). No action./Sep 12 10:22
ZiggyFishhehSep 12 10:22
schestowitzMaybe Dorothy will sort them out when they find the Wizard of Oz.Sep 12 10:23
ZiggyFishlolSep 12 10:23
schestowitzAnyway, enough laughing at them. They might notice.Sep 12 10:23
ZiggyFishdidn't no robots were that smart yetSep 12 10:23
ZiggyFish;)Sep 12 10:23
schestowitzThey're overclockedSep 12 10:24
ZiggyFishheheheSep 12 10:24
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schestowitzHow  true: "t should be Linux only. That's how it was all started prior to MS sticking their thumb into the media circle. However, once MS dropped it's five ton gorilla onto the plate the initiative has all but died. it's the MS "extend, embrace, extinguish" plan in full action." http://digg.com/linux_unix/OLPC_s_Amazon_No...Sep 12 10:32
ZiggyFishvery trueSep 12 10:33
schestowitzI just never though of it like this, but anyone whom I know that advocated OLPC got sick of it when Microsoft rubbed it in the media. They also drove away key OLPC people that way.Sep 12 10:36
schestowitzMicrosoft fumigates anything it enters. ODF... Apache..? Hopefully never.Sep 12 10:36
ZiggyFishbut what have Microsoft to gain in taking down OLPC.Sep 12 10:37
schestowitzA lot. It's the Slog: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/... http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/upl...Sep 12 10:37
schestowitzZiggyFish: Microsoft fears low-cost laptops; same with Intel. Price-fixing has been their thing for ages.Sep 12 10:37
ZiggyFishtrueSep 12 10:38
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schestowitzI rely now on the Chinese to make those better chips and not to be corrupted by the Ballmer/Gates axis that has a lot of influence on their totalitarian regime.Sep 12 10:38
schestowitz$98 laptops. What will Wintel do?Sep 12 10:38
ZiggyFishlolSep 12 10:39
schestowitzThey've struggled against computers becoming a commodity or a generic 'drug' like Aspirin.Sep 12 10:39
schestowitzThey want the kids on MSD, not AspirinSep 12 10:39
schestowitz*LSDSep 12 10:39
schestowitz“Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but people don’t pay for the software,” he said. “Someday they will, though. As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They’ll get sort of addicted, and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.”Sep 12 10:40
schestowitz--Bill Gates on how to get people addicted to expensive stuffSep 12 10:40
mib_s8rnj5I have an interesting email sent from Jack Messman to Novell partners complaining and attempting to correct microsoft fud.    http://embed.mibbit.com/pb/U4fV4pSep 12 10:41
*schestowitz looksSep 12 10:41
schestowitzI can recall a comment in Groklaw about Messman using FUD in 2005Sep 12 10:41
schestowitzI see it here: http://www.sdoss.org/events/Presentations/2004/3...Sep 12 10:43
schestowitzThat's very interesting, thank you very much!Sep 12 10:43
ZiggyFishyeahSep 12 10:43
mib_s8rnj5Welcome.  I am sure I have a few more as I worked for a novell partner for 10 yearsSep 12 10:44
schestowitzEspecially after Novell had torn down all its anti-FUD pages from novell.com (just after the deal was signed)Sep 12 10:44
mib_s8rnj5Ill post if I find themSep 12 10:44
schestowitzNovell is now *USING* Microsoft's FUD to its advantage against other vendors.Sep 12 10:44
ZiggyFishsureSep 12 10:44
ZiggyFishlolSep 12 10:44
schestowitzExcellent! Thanks for that.Sep 12 10:45
schestowitzLet me try to see if I can find the Messman FUD remarkSep 12 10:45
schestowitzGot it! http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/01/j...Sep 12 10:46
mib_s8rnj5Messamn was the most boring man ever.Sep 12 10:46
schestowitzI have some interviews of  hisSep 12 10:48
schestowitzhttp://www.archive.org/search.php?q...Sep 12 10:48
ZiggyFishOh, Bill, usually wins that title (the most poring man ever), you've just upset him, watchout he'll try to 'extend, embrace, extinguish' you ;)Sep 12 10:49
ZiggyFish*boringSep 12 10:49
schestowitzThere\s the thing about VMLSep 12 10:49
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/new...Sep 12 10:49
schestowitzWith OOXML they try to make it s 'standard'.Sep 12 10:49
schestowitzVery annoying.Sep 12 10:49
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MinceR124457 <@schestowitz> I see it here: http://www.sdoss.org/events/Presentations/2...Sep 12 10:54
MinceRthe domain's dead :/Sep 12 10:54
schestowitzhttp://64.233.183.104/search?...Sep 12 10:57
schestowitznux+in+their+latest+SEC+filing.+ These,+however,+are+the+true+facts.& ;hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1Sep 12 10:57
schestowitzhttp://tinyurl.com/5xddp9Sep 12 10:57
ZiggyFishI recon that the Major vendors have an agreement with Microsoft (any computers they sell, Microsoft get's a percentage of, in exchange for lowered Windows licences cost (can't find any references to back it up though))Sep 12 10:58
schestowitzThere was lots in the Iowa trial, e.g. http://boycottnovell.com/200...Sep 12 10:59
schestowitzIntel has some similar illegal deas.Sep 12 10:59
schestowitzDell's investors sued for accepting secret bribes (kickbacks) from Intel. Lenovo is said to have played the same game. It's all corruptSep 12 10:59
ZiggyFishreading http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/1... confirms itSep 12 11:00
schestowitzThe Acer one is a better example.Sep 12 11:00
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008...Sep 12 11:00
ZiggyFishyeahSep 12 11:02
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schestowitzOne site vainly claims to know precisely Microsoft's hare on desktop: "And others talk of switching allegiance completely, though in reality Microsoft Windows still holds a massive 94.9% share in desktop OS use." ORLY?  http://searchcio-midmarket.tec... Look who is cited as the 'source'? The media propagates the Big Lies.Sep 12 12:46
schestowitzThe Microsoft O'Gara shill (see http://boycottnovell.com/2008... ) is doing a series of attacks on VMWare: http://openwebdeveloper.sys-con.com/node... http://symbian.sys-con.com/node/488349Sep 12 12:51
schestowitzWTF? She's still going ballistic. Classic Microsoft slog: http://silverlight.sys-con.com/node/670417  It's just like in http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u...Sep 12 12:53
schestowitz"Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2." Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry. We want to place selection pressure on those companies and individuals that show a genetic weakness for comSep 12 12:53
schestowitzpetitors' technologies, to make the industry increasingly resistant to such unhealthy strains, over time."Sep 12 12:53
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schestowitzAnd the O'Gara VMWare FUD then continued: http://cloudcomputing.sys-con.com/node/454273Sep 12 13:01
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trmancohttp://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Canoni...Sep 12 13:27
schestowitzIt's being hyped up in the media like it's the second coming, as opposed to a blog post. There are already thousands of contributors.Sep 12 13:28
schestowitzWhat's with this picture? http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...Sep 12 13:54
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PetoKrausso is chrome opensource?Sep 12 15:23
schestowitzYes.Sep 12 15:24
PetoKrauswhere's the code?Sep 12 15:24
schestowitzhttp://code.google.com/chromium/Sep 12 15:24
schestowitzThe Apple and GNU/Linux versions are very much behind, so while Wine can now run it decently, don't expect native versions any time soon.Sep 12 15:25
PetoKrausi saySep 12 15:27
PetoKrausfuck googleSep 12 15:27
PetoKrausalsoSep 12 15:27
schestowitzCheck out the comments here (mind also): http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/05/goo...Sep 12 15:29
PetoKrausis chromium REALLY the same thing as chrome?Sep 12 15:29
schestowitzIt pissed me off a lot more because they actually /ruined/ the Web.Sep 12 15:30
schestowitzAlso see: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blo...Sep 12 15:30
PetoKrausruined?Sep 12 15:30
schestowitzWell, you come and visir a Google page and they tell you "go away, GNU/Linux users. Go and buy Windows, then come back."Sep 12 15:31
PetoKrausgoshSep 12 15:32
PetoKrauscrappy.Sep 12 15:32
PetoKrausi don't trust cloud computer for one thingSep 12 15:33
PetoKrausthe board of any company, eg google, can be changedSep 12 15:33
PetoKrausand the new board forces the devs to switch one boolean variableSep 12 15:33
PetoKrausand boom, cloud works only under certain os.Sep 12 15:33
schestowitzYes, I know.Sep 12 15:34
schestowitzI'll write some more about insiders later. Microsoft is spreading its goons all over the placeSep 12 15:34
schestowitz(Google included, told me one professor)Sep 12 15:34
schestowitzDo you know of high-level people in Google who arrives from Microsoft?Sep 12 15:34
schestowitz*arrivedSep 12 15:34
PetoKrausno, not really, but i guess i can imagineSep 12 15:34
schestowitzHmmmmm.... http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/11122/ ... I wonder how wtitter is doing under their storm in the east.Sep 12 15:36
schestowitz...Petty to complain about some rainy weather unless it floods. There are worse climatic issues out there.Sep 12 15:38
schestowitzGood news if true: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/200... "But the spec also mentions 1GB of RAM, a 40GB hard drive, "Ubunto Linux" (sic), dimensions extending to 30 x 30 x 17cm and a weight of 1.2kg, all of which are rather large for an MID."Sep 12 15:42
MinceRit's dell, therefore it includes the hidden microsoft tax, doesn't it?Sep 12 15:46
schestowitzYes.Sep 12 15:46
schestowitzThe problem is that many of these vendors are not being 'infected'. To tell you the truth, I am very pissed off about Novell at the moment (usually I'm more clam). Microsoft is slogging some companies (this time VMware, not just Red Hat) and Novell is /helping/ it. It's like an abusive dunce.Sep 12 15:47
schestowitznot->nowSep 12 15:47
schestowitzclam->calm.    Microsoft is still losing but to whom? To Novell? No, it 'bribed' Novell to keep it alive (kind of like SCO) in order to have its competition change sides (remember the Caldera trial that was settled secretly?) Sep 12 15:49
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schestowitzFrom http://beranger.org/index.php?p... "boycottmandriva.com might soon have a market value!" OH NO. Don't ruin Mandriva, Radu.Sep 12 15:53
schestowitzMandriva is based in Europe (and South America). They ought to complain about Microsoft... and not just in an open letter over the bribery, e.g. in Nigeria. It's down to bureaucracy, but they are all being surrounded by undercover shills like Zuck and his pressure-group-for-Microsoft-du-jour, which impacts corruptible politicians.Sep 12 15:59
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schestowitzLinux.com: promoting Free (as in humour) software, as usual: http://www.linux.com/feed/147613 :-)Sep 12 16:28
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tessier_schestowitz: What do you think of Nexenta? Open-solaris based distro with GNU userland.Sep 12 18:03
schestowitzI've not tried OpenSolaris before. CDDL...Sep 12 18:05
tessier_You haven't tried it because it is CDDL?Sep 12 18:07
MinceRslowlaris.Sep 12 18:08
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schestowitztessier: it seems like something useful if you need Sun-only features like ZFS. I don't know how much software it runs well (don't know != runs badly).Sep 12 18:12
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_Doug????????????????????????????????????????????Sep 12 18:29
schestowitzHey, Dug.Sep 12 18:30
schestowitz*DougSep 12 18:30
_Dougsee the latest Gates/Seinfeld advert ?Sep 12 18:30
_Doughttp://www.macrumors.com/2008/09...Sep 12 18:31
schestowitzDo you know who showed PJ the "O'Gara sabotages OSDL E-mail"?Sep 12 18:31
_Doug?Sep 12 18:31
schestowitzI don't care for Microsoft adverts. It's free advertising to mention them.Sep 12 18:31
_DougPM ..Sep 12 18:31
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_DougWhat's extraordenary is they have a strategy in place to attack the OSDL, before its even set up, talk about knifing the fetus :OSep 12 18:48
_DougThen attack OSDL ffor what it is doing and put a negative spin on it .. ehSep 12 18:49
_Doug"Linux and Open Source are supposed to be all about "free" technology and no one group having competitive advantage. This new alliance seems to go against these principles."Sep 12 18:49
schestowitzThat's the routine.Sep 12 18:49
schestowitzI'm going to write about it.Sep 12 18:50
schestowitzMOG is attacking VMware now.Sep 12 18:50
_DougSo it's either fragmentation or it's against the principles of Open Source ,can't win .. :)Sep 12 18:50
_DougGot a link to MOG ?Sep 12 18:50
_Doug"Old UNIX guard attempting to hijack Linux to go after Sun"Sep 12 18:51
schestowitzAh, that's a classicSep 12 18:53
schestowitzMOG has begun promoting Novell and slamming Red Hat... wonder why...Sep 12 18:53
schestowitzAnd her 'publication' claims that Microsoft might buy Novell.Sep 12 18:53
schestowitzMust be something they  send her from Redmond.Sep 12 18:54
_Doug:)Sep 12 18:55
_DougMS don't want to buy Novell, at least not just yet. They are more usefull as being an independent 'open source' company.Sep 12 18:56
_DougThe most obvious impact of the coveneant was to kill any Novell ambitions on the desktop ..Sep 12 18:56
_DougAll for the exchange of some vouchers and loose change out of Redmond ..Sep 12 18:57
MinceRtheir loss, i don't miss suse on the desktop. :>Sep 12 19:01
schestowitzI'm typing it right now. :-)Sep 12 19:02
_DougMS don't want to buy Novell as they also risk getting call a monopoly, again. It's best to keep at least the one 'opne source' company on life support. If I was an OEM or a media company, I would snap up Novell right now ..Sep 12 19:07
_DougNovDell should sell a high end multimedia device and make their money back on subscriptions, movies, games etc .. it's a license to print money ...Sep 12 19:09
_DougA €£60 cheep box made in China, would fly off the shelves ..Sep 12 19:09
MinceRi think they'll just kill novell once they don't find it useful any more.Sep 12 19:13
MinceR(that seems to be close to what happened to sco...)Sep 12 19:14
_DougSCO is like a vampire, keeps rising from the dead ..Sep 12 19:15
_DougCanonical to improve usability of the Linux desktop ..Sep 12 19:21
_Doughttp://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/2008...Sep 12 19:21
_Dougot: virtual racism ..Sep 12 19:24
_Doughttp://arstechnica.com/news...Sep 12 19:24
_Douggtg .. bye ...Sep 12 19:24
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cjschestowitz: I thought you might want to read this:Sep 12 20:28
cjhttp://tirania.org/blog/archiv...Sep 12 20:28
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MinceRhttp://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew...Sep 12 21:17
schestowitzOh noes! http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.htmlSep 12 22:18
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cjschestowitz: that Canonical link looks like something my wife would be able to help with!Sep 12 22:56
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cjschestowitz: lol @ webcamsSep 12 23:17
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Recent Techrights' Posts

Attacks on Techrights Make Techrights Stronger and Attract More Whistleblowers to Techrights
The harder they attack us, the more productive we become
An American War on GNU/Linux, Software Freedom, and British Investigative, Science-Based Reporting - Part III - Very Strong Legal Basis for an Appeal
The case is now being escalated to a Foreign Secretary and former Deputy Prime Minister
No Slop Found in RSS Feeds, Only in Google News
No slopfarm will survive for very long, certainly it'll go bust as soon as readers (if it had any) know what it is
What the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) and Action Fraud UK Have in Common
Don't let London become the world's "crime capital"
Dr. Andy Farnell on How GAFAM, NVIDIA and Others Lie to People Via the Sponsored Media to Prop Up Lies Under the Guise of "AI"
Lots of key aspects are covered
 
Links 10/03/2026: Rust Rewrites by Slop "20,171 Times Slower", "You MUST Review LLM-generated Code"
Links for the day
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 09, 2026
IRC logs for Monday, March 09, 2026
The Register MS Has Just Taken Money From Google (Where the Former Chief Editor Now Works) for Femmewashing and Ponzi Scheme Promotion
now The Register MS not only promotes a Ponzi scheme but also bags money to pretend Google respects women
People at IBM Are Still Smart Enough to Understand What's Really Going on
"I would never refer someone to work at IBM that I liked! I hope all of you have reviewed IBM on Glassdoor."
European Patent Office (EPO) to "Eventually Eliminate the Tasks Performed by Formalities Officers"; EPO Run by People Without Experience in Patents
full paper
RMS is 73 Next Week
Richard Matthew Stallman (RMS) turns 73 exactly 7 days from now
Iran & FSFE: blackmailing women, from football to the French Government (CNIL)
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Police investigations, lawsuits & Debian leader election candidate shortage
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock
Richard Stallman (RMS) Has Defeated Cancel Culture, a Mostly American Phenomenon
RMS is talking now
Links 09/03/2026: Many Security Breaches and a Pandemic of Censorship
Links for the day
People Who Work or Worked at IBM Hate It
bluewashing is only the first step
Richard Stallman (RMS) Talks in 30 Minutes, Next Stop Bern (Last Stop)
We assume he'll travel back to Boston after that
IBM's Fedora as a Booster of Slop Disguised as Code or Computer Programs
Maybe we should also stop seeing a doctor and instead ask chatbots about symptoms?
Richard Stallman (RMS) Talk Five Hours From Now
there is growing recognition for what he really did for everybody
EPO Strike 10 Days From Now, Planning Assembly Tomorrow, Last Couple of Strikes Had High Participation Rates (1,500-1,600 Staff Went on Strike)
The next strike is in 10 days' time and then there will be another strike
Links 09/03/2026: GAFAM Outsourcing, "MAGA Political Meddling" in EU, Indonesia Bans Social Control Media for Children Under 16
Links for the day
Using Slop (and Slop in Articles) to Attack Copyleft 'on Budget'
This article is pure BS from an anti-GPL and anti-RMS 'activist'
Why The Register MS Sold Out to Microsoft: They're Losing Lots of Money, The Register MS is Bleeding to Death, Based on Its Own Financial Records
With over 6 million pounds in debt (nearly 10 million US dollars) we guess it's likely some other company will take over the site (if it deems it worthwhile)
Microsofters' SLAPP Censorship - Part 7 Out of 200: Like With the Serial Strangler From Microsoft, Misuse of UK-GDPR to Try to Hide Embarrassing Facts
They do and say really bad things, then allege it's a "privacy violation" to mention those things
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Sunday, March 08, 2026
IRC logs for Sunday, March 08, 2026
Gemini Links 09/03/2026: Exponentials and Tailscale
Links for the day
Sloppyleft
Article by Alexandre Oliva
Hard to Replace 'Human Touch'
The reason many people insist on using GNU
Richard Stallman Gives Talk in 20 Hours at Ostschweizer Fachhochschule Campus in Rapperswil-Jona
The talk is in English
The Slop Companies Gamble at Our Economy's Expense and They Know It's a Losing Bet (So It's a de Facto Robbery)
The crash of this bubble isn't just inevitable, it's already happening and receding sporadically because of false announcements about money that does not actually exist (to "buy time")
Suppressing Speech by Blackmail, the Iran Story
When Debian wanted to stage a seemingly legitimate election it needed to have more than one candidate running; so eventually the female partner of a geek rose to the challenge (had no coding skills at all, no technical history in Debian) and lost to the "incumbent German"
Too Focused on Buzzwords the Media is Paid to Saturate the Collective Mind With
Just because companies do really bad things in the digital realm does not imply "AI" or follow from "AI"
Discrimination and Prejudice Against Female Journalists
we can shame people who attack a reporter on the grounds of gender
An American War on GNU/Linux, Software Freedom, and British Investigative, Science-Based Reporting - Part II - Trying to Put People in Prison for Committing the Act of Journalism
This is abuse of process
Attack on Copyright and Copyleft by Code Conversion Is Nothing New, It Predates Slop (Code Produced by LLMs) by Several Decades
Even back in the 90s many people converted programs from one language to another. That could invalidate copyleft (and copyright), which already existed
Almost a Slopless Weekend for "Linux"
Let's hope slop will come to an end or sites will cease linking to slop
Insiders Explain Why IBM is Dying and the Inherent Culture Problem
There are many ways to shave this IBM cat
Links 08/03/2026: Microsoft Lost $400 Million on "Project Blackbird" and Half the States Sue Over Illegal Tariffs
Links for the day
Links 08/03/2026: Cisco Holes Again and "Blatant Problem With OpenAI That Endangers Kids"
Links for the day
Activism/Journalism in Our Blood
one must fight for one's principles
Gemini Protocol in Its Prime
What's particularly neat about Gemini Protocol is that it's fast and cheap
Microsofters' SLAPP Censorship - Part 6 Out of 200: Intentionally Misnaming Women, People Who Offered to Testify That They Too Had Been Subjected to Similar Abuse
Today it is International Women's Day
Even Fedora Leadership Cannot Figure Out the Microsoft Kill Switch/Back Door, 'Secure' Boot
It does not actually enhance security
Bruce Perens: Richard Stallman "Has Achieved His Goal"
Stallman's next talk is tomorrow
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Saturday, March 07, 2026
IRC logs for Saturday, March 07, 2026