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| schestowitz | 'What will be the savior of the world economy, I have no idea, but I know one thing...it won’t be Obama and his stimulus plan. It is painful to note that greed and corruption caused this situation and even more painful to note that ethics and honesty are nowhere in sight. The baser nature of mankind will always survive and as Shakespeare said, “the good is oft interred with his bones.”' | Mar 03 03:01 |
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| hicham1 | I agree with you on that | Mar 03 03:01 |
| hicham1 | I am just talking about the behavior of Mandriva's folks toward the founder of the distro | Mar 03 03:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I spoke to him about it | Mar 03 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Ulteo has been quiet for a while :-( | Mar 03 03:03 |
| hicham1 | Ulteo is based on Kubuntu | Mar 03 03:04 |
| hicham1 | he is abandoning his own distro for other people | Mar 03 03:04 |
| hicham1 | greed is a bad monster | Mar 03 03:05 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Mar 03 03:06 |
| balzac | It's what people do to satiate their greed which is the problem | Mar 03 03:09 |
| balzac | It's perfectly normal to want things, money, status, trophy-wives, mistresses and a harem. | Mar 03 03:10 |
| balzac | It's all about how you go about getting them. | Mar 03 03:10 |
| schestowitz | balzac: see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Mar 03 03:10 |
| schestowitz | This addresses that concern about growth of population | Mar 03 03:10 |
| *schestowitz watches lectures while editing links | Mar 03 03:10 | |
| balzac | Roy, I've been stressing about that since childhood | Mar 03 03:15 |
| hicham1 | wow | Mar 03 03:18 |
| balzac | well, then they ole coot went wandering into the weeds | Mar 03 03:18 |
| balzac | hehe | Mar 03 03:18 |
| schestowitz | Part 3 has this related to economics | Mar 03 03:19 |
| balzac | when discussing what to do about it, he couldn't resist playing the devil's advocate in favor of things which cause people to die | Mar 03 03:19 |
| hicham1 | growth is inevitable | Mar 03 03:19 |
| schestowitz | See part 1 about consumption of oil | Mar 03 03:19 |
| hicham1 | no one can stop growth | Mar 03 03:19 |
| balzac | I've known about peak oil quite a long while as well | Mar 03 03:20 |
| hicham1 | who can stop chinese people from growing? | Mar 03 03:20 |
| schestowitz | Each DECADE until the 70s, the amount of energy consumed outpaced that of all decades combined. | Mar 03 03:20 |
| schestowitz | That just leads to wars over energy | Mar 03 03:20 |
| balzac | My friend's dad wrote "Climate in Crisis" which featured the forward by Al Gore | Mar 03 03:20 |
| balzac | before Gore was vice president | Mar 03 03:20 |
| schestowitz | So either you control energy consumption or you make war | Mar 03 03:20 |
| schestowitz | Choose | Mar 03 03:20 |
| schestowitz | Same as global warming | Mar 03 03:20 |
| balzac | yeah, that's why it's so important to make an example out of guys like Bush | Mar 03 03:20 |
| hicham1 | that is what is happening today | Mar 03 03:20 |
| hicham1 | with iraq and iran | Mar 03 03:20 |
| schestowitz | act now or pay badly later... hardship versus lethal | Mar 03 03:20 |
| balzac | Justice needs to be quick for guys like Bush | Mar 03 03:21 |
| schestowitz | Iran is the world's #2 oil resource | Mar 03 03:21 |
| schestowitz | I think Saudi Arabia is #1. | Mar 03 03:21 |
| hicham1 | that is why they want to invade it | Mar 03 03:21 |
| balzac | There's no time for politics - it's a public mental health crisis | Mar 03 03:21 |
| schestowitz | Bush is a religion person | Mar 03 03:21 |
| schestowitz | I doubt he cares about limiting birth | Mar 03 03:21 |
| hicham1 | no one can limit birth | Mar 03 03:21 |
| balzac | Some people insist on behaving like zombies. You don't argue with zombies. You subdue them. | Mar 03 03:22 |
| that's not nice, balzac | Mar 03 03:22 | |
| balzac | Well, Bush belongs in jail. | Mar 03 03:22 |
| I won't argue with that | Mar 03 03:22 | |
| hicham1 | Bush was at least beated by a shoe | Mar 03 03:22 |
| but he and the rest of the world deserve a good trial | Mar 03 03:22 | |
| balzac | I agree | Mar 03 03:23 |
| evidence should be presented for everyone to see | Mar 03 03:23 | |
| hicham1 | the shoe is a good beginning | Mar 03 03:23 |
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| balzac | free Muntadar al Zaidi | Mar 03 03:23 |
| there's no need to be cruel | Mar 03 03:23 | |
| balzac | Jail Bush | Mar 03 03:23 |
| hicham1 | Bush is a war criminal | Mar 03 03:23 |
| balzac | twitter: it's not a need, it's an opportunity. | Mar 03 03:23 |
| hicham1 | that is how he must be put on trial | Mar 03 03:23 |
| balzac | waterboard bush until he confesses he hates America with a fiery passion | Mar 03 03:24 |
| Ill gotten gains should be given to the victims | Mar 03 03:24 | |
| balzac | then waterboard him some more until he gives up the digits to his swiss bank accounts | Mar 03 03:24 |
| that would be a crime, not justice | Mar 03 03:24 | |
| balzac | Then hand him over to Moqtada al Sadr | Mar 03 03:24 |
| torture yields no real evidence | Mar 03 03:24 | |
| balzac | it would be really ironic | Mar 03 03:24 |
| balzac | just for Bush, no one else | Mar 03 03:24 |
| hicham1 | yes, that would be a good one | Mar 03 03:24 |
| hicham1 | he should be put on trial in Iraq | Mar 03 03:25 |
| hicham1 | for what he have done | Mar 03 03:25 |
| the location of the trial does not matter so much as what is discovered | Mar 03 03:25 | |
| balzac | It would be very ironic if Bush confessed to hating America after a good waterboarding | Mar 03 03:25 |
| balzac | his only plausible defense would be to claim that the confession had been coerced by torture. At least then he would have to admit he is a torturer. | Mar 03 03:26 |
| The real responsibility should be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt | Mar 03 03:26 | |
| balzac | well, it was a daylight crime spree. Bush didn't leave a shadow of a doubt about his guilt. | Mar 03 03:26 |
| Bush may have been manipulated. The manipulators should be punished as well. | Mar 03 03:26 | |
| balzac | So it's just a matter of going through the formalities | Mar 03 03:26 |
| formalities matter | Mar 03 03:26 | |
| balzac | sure, waterboard cheney too | Mar 03 03:26 |
| balzac | twitter: I agree | Mar 03 03:27 |
| you don't know what you will find until you find it | Mar 03 03:27 | |
| The crime is open for all to see. | Mar 03 03:27 | |
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| balzac | twitter: it's widely known. But regardless, I still believe in due process. | Mar 03 03:27 |
| responsibility is distributed | Mar 03 03:27 | |
| balzac | yes | Mar 03 03:27 |
| hicham1 | who will bring Bush to court? | Mar 03 03:27 |
| balzac | but it's pretty well concentrated in the former commander in chief | Mar 03 03:27 |
| balzac | hicham1: hopefully the DOJ, so that the EU or UN doesn't need to initiate it | Mar 03 03:28 |
| mib_c76jk5 | is netapplications.com a microsoft puppet? | Mar 03 03:28 |
| hmmm, don't know. | Mar 03 03:28 | |
| balzac | Anyone watch Obama's weekly address? | Mar 03 03:28 |
| balzac | He had a nice line near the end of it. | Mar 03 03:29 |
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| oh yes, them. I don't trust them any further than I can throw them. | Mar 03 03:29 | |
| puppet | Mar 03 03:30 | |
| hicham1 | the us president is just a just a puppet, you are right | Mar 03 03:31 |
| hicham1 | the country ( and the world ) is managed by other powerful people | Mar 03 03:32 |
| hicham1 | no matter what president you choose | Mar 03 03:32 |
| I was talking about netapplications, but the president may also be a puppet. | Mar 03 03:32 | |
| balzac | If the president were all-powerful, he would be a king. | Mar 03 03:32 |
| balzac | emperor | Mar 03 03:33 |
| balzac | I'm glad there are others who have influence on the office of the POTUS | Mar 03 03:33 |
| balzac | Bush's influences were quite terrible | Mar 03 03:33 |
| emperors can be lied to as well. responsibility is never absolute | Mar 03 03:33 | |
| hicham1 | Bush can't do anything without them | Mar 03 03:33 |
| hicham1 | everything is pre-calculated | Mar 03 03:34 |
| balzac | Obama said he's expecting a fight and he's preparing for a fight himself against the groups who want to obstruct his legislation | Mar 03 03:34 |
| balzac | check out his weekly address http://www.whitehouse.gov | Mar 03 03:34 |
| balzac | he used some pretty strong language | Mar 03 03:34 |
| hicham1 | if that is true, he will be assassinated just like Kennedy | Mar 03 03:34 |
| balzac | and the way Rush Limbaugh is freaking out, I think Obama has some good plans | Mar 03 03:35 |
| balzac | hicham1: the secret service have their work cut out for them | Mar 03 03:35 |
| balzac | I just hope Obama is paranoid enough to keep any ideological people out of the secret service | Mar 03 03:35 |
| balzac | American presidents are frequently targetted | Mar 03 03:36 |
| balzac | there is no excuse for allowing that to happen | Mar 03 03:36 |
| hicham1 | it comes usually from the people who are supposed to protect the president | Mar 03 03:36 |
| balzac | yeah, well, I can tell you I would be paranoid as hell if I were POTUS | Mar 03 03:37 |
| balzac | hicham1: the key to Obama staying safe is to keep a clear head and don't get sentimental about the adulation of the crowds | Mar 03 03:38 |
| balzac | and to be keenly aware, almost to the point of paranoia about everyone involved in his security | Mar 03 03:39 |
| balzac | Also, you've got to keep your eye on futuristic weapons, such as THEL, EMPs, etc. | Mar 03 03:40 |
| balzac | I would not want to spend a lot of time in the air aboard Air Force One or Marine One. | Mar 03 03:40 |
| hicham1 | but Obama won't face any of that trouble | Mar 03 03:42 |
| hicham1 | because he is getting well with the others | Mar 03 03:42 |
| balzac | I sincerely hope not, because things would be really bad for everyone if anything should happen to him. | Mar 03 03:42 |
| hicham1 | he is a cool president, trying not to offence anyone | Mar 03 03:44 |
| hicham1 | plus he's the first black president of the us | Mar 03 03:44 |
| hicham1 | so security is very tightened | Mar 03 03:44 |
| balzac | JFK, MLK & RFK were cool as well. | Mar 03 03:45 |
| hicham1 | he's cool and black too, dont forget that | Mar 03 03:45 |
| hicham1 | america must show to the world that the racism is over | Mar 03 03:45 |
| balzac | it doesn't matter how tight security is if they leave a single opening at any time | Mar 03 03:45 |
| hicham1 | i agree with that | Mar 03 03:45 |
| hicham1 | what is the os that is used in the whitehouse? | Mar 03 03:47 |
| schestowitz | twitter: agreed. Bush is being fed disinformation too | Mar 03 03:47 |
| hicham1 | Windows or Linux? | Mar 03 03:47 |
| schestowitz | He 'makes' decisions based on what he's advised (told) | Mar 03 03:47 |
| hicham1 | or Mac? | Mar 03 03:48 |
| balzac | It ought to be a hardened GNU/Linux, compiled from source code by an in-house IT staff. | Mar 03 03:48 |
| hicham1 | is Obama an Open Source fellow? | Mar 03 03:49 |
| balzac | Obama should be close to his IT staff. IT is more important than ever these days. | Mar 03 03:49 |
| hicham1 | can you figure out what would happen if a hacker could get into the whitehouse computers? | Mar 03 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Obama is not an open source man | Mar 03 03:50 |
| schestowitz | But he can be taught to like it | Mar 03 03:50 |
| schestowitz | He commissioned a report from Mcnealy | Mar 03 03:51 |
| schestowitz | *McNealy | Mar 03 03:51 |
| balzac | He can be informed well enough to understand it | Mar 03 03:51 |
| schestowitz | hicham1: crackers have hijacked the white house before. | Mar 03 03:51 |
| schestowitz | No news here. | Mar 03 03:51 |
| schestowitz | They also have some Windows junk around | Mar 03 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Same with the Pentagon | Mar 03 03:51 |
| hicham1 | Windows in the White House and the Pentagon? | Mar 03 03:52 |
| balzac | Some contractor leaked the specifications of Marine One | Mar 03 03:52 |
| balzac | unfortunately, yes | Mar 03 03:52 |
| hicham1 | Wow | Mar 03 03:52 |
| hicham1 | Microsoft must be trust worthy to be treated like that :-D | Mar 03 03:53 |
| balzac | Well, Bill Gates isn't such a terrible person outside of the IT field | Mar 03 03:53 |
| balzac | I don't think so, anyway | Mar 03 03:53 |
| balzac | But they're not competent, so even if trust weren't a concern, I wouldn't want Microsoft in charge of mission-critical systems. | Mar 03 03:54 |
| balzac | they're "fat, dumb and happy" at M$ | Mar 03 03:54 |
| hicham1 | I dont know how they do with the Blue Screen of Death | Mar 03 03:56 |
| Bill Gates is not a terrible person outside of everything he does. | Mar 03 03:56 | |
| His moves into medicine are terrible indeed. | Mar 03 03:56 | |
| balzac | twitter: you're right | Mar 03 03:56 |
| balzac | applying his ideology of "intellectual property" on medicine is disastrous for those who are afflicted with contagious diseases | Mar 03 03:57 |
| hicham1 | I dont know about his contributions to medicine | Mar 03 03:58 |
| balzac | anti-retroviral drugs for HIV should be manufactured generically and made available internationally to the full extent of production capacity | Mar 03 03:58 |
| balzac | Also, reforming the handling of information to reward sharing and progress, rather than repressing it would be nice | Mar 03 03:59 |
| hicham1 | billy says that he is engaged toward eliminating poverty in the world | Mar 03 04:00 |
| balzac | for people who are hoping for a cure for their disease while moron/scumbags like Bush & Limbaugh oppose stem cell research | Mar 03 04:00 |
| balzac | hicham1: he suffers a failure of imagination if he thinks he's doing his best | Mar 03 04:00 |
| balzac | his ideology on "intellectual property" is on the side of those who obstruct progress | Mar 03 04:01 |
| it is just another monopoly for him, one that looks good and increases his wealth and power. | Mar 03 04:01 | |
| hicham1 | Microsoft has really contributed badly to computer science | Mar 03 04:03 |
| hicham1 | they are putting obstacle in front of computer scientists | Mar 03 04:03 |
| hicham1 | the latest damage is what they have done to the web | Mar 03 04:04 |
| hicham1 | without them, the web would have gone further | Mar 03 04:04 |
| everything would go further. | Mar 03 04:05 | |
| good night, all | Mar 03 04:05 | |
| hicham1 | good night twitter | Mar 03 04:05 |
| balzac | good night twitter | Mar 03 04:05 |
| hicham1 | balzac : where do u live? | Mar 03 04:08 |
| balzac | nyc | Mar 03 04:08 |
| hicham1 | how is it going there? | Mar 03 04:09 |
| balzac | we had a good snow | Mar 03 04:09 |
| hicham1 | wow, i like snow | Mar 03 04:10 |
| hicham1 | but it means a lot of clothes for me | Mar 03 04:10 |
| hicham1 | i remember that it snowed once here where i live | Mar 03 04:10 |
| hicham1 | it was really a hard day for me | Mar 03 04:10 |
| hicham1 | as i wasnt used to it | Mar 03 04:10 |
| balzac | where do you live? | Mar 03 04:11 |
| hicham1 | in Morocco | Mar 03 04:12 |
| hicham1 | north east | Mar 03 04:12 |
| hicham1 | have you ever been to morocco? | Mar 03 04:12 |
| balzac | no | Mar 03 04:12 |
| balzac | But I hear there's good hashish there | Mar 03 04:12 |
| hicham1 | yes, there is a very good hashish in here | Mar 03 04:13 |
| hicham1 | i smoked it a lot | Mar 03 04:14 |
| balzac | good for you | Mar 03 04:14 |
| hicham1 | but i cut off years ago | Mar 03 04:14 |
| hicham1 | have u ever smoked hashish? | Mar 03 04:14 |
| balzac | many times | Mar 03 04:14 |
| balzac | I've eaten the european cold-water filtered hash | Mar 03 04:15 |
| balzac | if it's powdery, I might dump it in coffee | Mar 03 04:15 |
| balzac | only the water-filtered hash though | Mar 03 04:15 |
| balzac | Hash which is made the traditional way is good for smoking | Mar 03 04:15 |
| hicham1 | do u still smoke it? | Mar 03 04:16 |
| balzac | I would if I had any | Mar 03 04:16 |
| hicham1 | wow | Mar 03 04:17 |
| hicham1 | then u seem to be a big smoker | Mar 03 04:17 |
| balzac | well, I like to have some around | Mar 03 04:17 |
| balzac | brb | Mar 03 04:17 |
| hicham1 | i have to go to sleep | Mar 03 04:17 |
| hicham1 | i am very tired | Mar 03 04:18 |
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| hicham1 | it have been very nice talking to u | Mar 03 04:18 |
| hicham1 | have a good night | Mar 03 04:18 |
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| balzac | you too | Mar 03 04:19 |
| schestowitz | "The PC industry will see its sharpest unit decline in history, with shipments totaling 257 million units in 2009, an 11.9 percent decrease from 2008" < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0... > | Mar 03 04:25 |
| balzac | That's not good | Mar 03 04:26 |
| balzac | It means that lots of people who would benefit from having computers can't afford them | Mar 03 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Who cares... there are much bigger issues. | Mar 03 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Watch that lecture. All 8 parts | Mar 03 04:26 |
| balzac | I can't do that | Mar 03 04:26 |
| balzac | I've got too much work I have to catch up on | Mar 03 04:26 |
| schestowitz | None of it is new, but people find comfort in the convenience of forgetting about it | Mar 03 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Watch the comments from religious people | Mar 03 04:27 |
| balzac | I need comfort and convenience | Mar 03 04:27 |
| schestowitz | That's an obstacles to resolving the big issues. | Mar 03 04:27 |
| schestowitz | People are still too worries about thing to go like... 20 years ahead. | Mar 03 04:27 |
| tessier | That's why people keep using windows too. | Mar 03 04:27 |
| tessier | Easier than switching. | Mar 03 04:27 |
| balzac | I like Sam Harris' End of Religion | Mar 03 04:27 |
| schestowitz | tessier: exactly | Mar 03 04:27 |
| tessier | Even though they pay much more and put up with much inconvenience in the end. | Mar 03 04:27 |
| schestowitz | Crash after crash | Mar 03 04:27 |
| balzac | tessier: I already know about the population problem, peak oil, and all of this | Mar 03 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Most people don;t | Mar 03 04:28 |
| schestowitz | If you don't follow this, then at least share with other people | Mar 03 04:28 |
| schestowitz | There is /far/ too much disinformation | Mar 03 04:28 |
| balzac | I'm not going to wear a sign and stand in union square in manhattan and try to warn everyone | Mar 03 04:28 |
| schestowitz | The media sells people the delusions they are willing to buy | Mar 03 04:29 |
| balzac | I need money for strippers | Mar 03 04:29 |
| schestowitz | It's funny how the Ron Paul talk got cut by CNBC | Mar 03 04:29 |
| schestowitz | They pretended it was some horrible mistake | Mar 03 04:29 |
| schestowitz | "Goodness! We expose our sensitive viewers to truth..." | Mar 03 04:29 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: get a gf, save the money | Mar 03 04:29 |
| balzac | Roy, that would be nice | Mar 03 04:30 |
| balzac | Actually, I could get a gf who is a stripper | Mar 03 04:30 |
| balzac | Then I might have a disproportionally good-looking gf | Mar 03 04:31 |
| schestowitz | You'd get bored | Mar 03 04:31 |
| balzac | Just as long as she doesn't service any other men | Mar 03 04:31 |
| schestowitz | I went to a strip club with a friend at Washington a couple of years back (IEEE conference). Nothing too spectacular.. I'd rather date, not sip beer while staring. | Mar 03 04:32 |
| balzac | well you put money in her thong and then get a lap-dance | Mar 03 04:33 |
| balzac | but it's kind of futile if you don't have enough money to go to the champagne room | Mar 03 04:33 |
| schestowitz | Get a gf, pay for dinner, get the same thing :-) | Mar 03 04:33 |
| balzac | most girls tend to be sort of conservative | Mar 03 04:34 |
| balzac | they've got no skills | Mar 03 04:34 |
| schestowitz | They are not objects | Mar 03 04:34 |
| balzac | I've got my eye on one stripper | Mar 03 04:34 |
| balzac | Objectifying women is not always bad. Women do it too and it's not a big deal. | Mar 03 04:35 |
| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(04:35 $)âââ¬> woman strip | Mar 03 04:35 |
| schestowitz | bash: woman: command not found | Mar 03 04:35 |
| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(04:35 $)âââ¬> man strip | Mar 03 04:35 |
| schestowitz | WARNING: terminal is not fully functional | Mar 03 04:35 |
| schestowitz | ââââââ¬(04:35 $)âââ¬> man woman | Mar 03 04:35 |
| schestowitz | No manual entry for woman | Mar 03 04:35 |
| balzac | no bashing women | Mar 03 04:35 |
| balzac | i agree with that | Mar 03 04:35 |
| schestowitz | sudo !! | Mar 03 04:36 |
| balzac | command not found | Mar 03 04:36 |
| schestowitz | dman | Mar 03 04:36 |
| balzac | Roy, it seems like you have a sleep disorder | Mar 03 04:37 |
| balzac | It's almost midnight in NY | Mar 03 04:37 |
| schestowitz | No, none at all. | Mar 03 04:37 |
| tessier | who; gawk; uname; talk; nice; date; wine; cd ~; grep; touch; unzip; finger; \ | Mar 03 04:38 |
| tessier | gasp; suck; lyx; strip; slurp; uptime; mount; fsck; more; yes; gasp; umount;\ | Mar 03 04:38 |
| tessier | make clean; make mrproper; sleep | Mar 03 04:38 |
| tessier | Don't be sexist. Chicks hate that. | Mar 03 04:38 |
| *schestowitz sleep(0); | Mar 03 04:38 | |
| balzac | Don't be sexless either, they find it boring. | Mar 03 04:39 |
| schestowitz | 'I came across computer-generated nudity the other day on Digg.com. This leads to remarks like "Baby, can I touch your... erm... polygons?". Yes, I know it sounds sexist and demeaning, but it's not intended.' | Mar 03 04:39 |
| schestowitz | 'Ubuntu thong - gives a whole new meaning to 'apt-get ubuntu'. If she is hard to get, sudo that.' | Mar 03 04:40 |
| schestowitz | 'Things are going in her butt, and not just out of it.' | Mar 03 04:40 |
| schestowitz | 'Open Source philosophy: Yay! My itch has been scratched. Thank you, thank you, thank you.' | Mar 03 04:40 |
| balzac | You're going to find the Novell hacks will quote you on that | Mar 03 04:41 |
| schestowitz | (An Old & Sexist Ode:Jokes Chalkboard) | Mar 03 04:41 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: me? | Mar 03 04:41 |
| schestowitz | Not me. | Mar 03 04:41 |
| schestowitz | Quotes there.. | Mar 03 04:41 |
| balzac | kidding | Mar 03 04:41 |
| schestowitz | Observation: Look at Vista. It took a musician over a year to produce a 4-second startup sound. It took a team of 12 engineers over a year to write 200 lines of code that implement a notorious and flawed shutdown menu. It doesn't look like anyone is doing real work at Redmond. Maybe the hired staff is no longer capable. It shows. | Mar 03 04:41 |
| schestowitz | Another: Google almost outpaced Microsoft in terms of market cap | Mar 03 04:42 |
| balzac | would you be able to stay motivated, working for a proprietary software company? | Mar 03 04:42 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer has publicly admitted he's afraid of Adnroid for 'desktops' | Mar 03 04:42 |
| schestowitz | Google does not build an operating system. It creates an environment or ecosystem that integrates with the operating systems available and makes contact through the Web browser. | Mar 03 04:42 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I don't think about it | Mar 03 04:43 |
| balzac | I'm afraid of android on desktops | Mar 03 04:43 |
| schestowitz | Google tried to hire me a few times. | Mar 03 04:43 |
| schestowitz | Well, they sought me for interviews and all... but that was before the slump | Mar 03 04:43 |
| schestowitz | Crazy expenditures mode is over. now it's 'brace' | Mar 03 04:43 |
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| balzac | Well, they ought to hire me, but then I'd probably get myself fired. | Mar 03 04:43 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... Imagine reflashing for Open Source segway evil mod or a programming bug (true story that led to a massive recall). Could get bruised like Bush. | Mar 03 04:44 |
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| balzac | I'm just not likely to fit into someone else's company | Mar 03 04:44 |
| schestowitz | Is the Segway dead yet? | Mar 03 04:44 |
| schestowitz | Allison works for Google | Mar 03 04:44 |
| schestowitz | He does Samba for pay | Mar 03 04:44 |
| schestowitz | Allison did an interview with us once, being Slashdotted and all... (and more). | Mar 03 04:45 |
| balzac | who is Allison? | Mar 03 04:45 |
| schestowitz | I had only one job where I was paid to do GPL code | Mar 03 04:45 |
| schestowitz | So I get to keep it with me.. | Mar 03 04:45 |
| schestowitz | And put it on my site for downloads.. | Mar 03 04:45 |
| schestowitz | Jeremy Allison | Mar 03 04:45 |
| balzac | sounds familiar | Mar 03 04:45 |
| schestowitz | Search 'teh google'... you'll see | Mar 03 04:46 |
| balzac | ok | Mar 03 04:47 |
| *schestowitz err^H^H^H^H^H(needs sleep) | Mar 03 04:48 | |
| balzac | true | Mar 03 04:48 |
| balzac | I'm going to bail pretty soon myself | Mar 03 04:48 |
| balzac | I have a long subway ride ahead because I'm still at the office | Mar 03 04:48 |
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| schestowitz | Morning | Mar 03 10:24 |
| MinceR | o/ | Mar 03 10:33 |
| schestowitz | FUD du jour: Pirate radio 'puts lives at risk' < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn... > | Mar 03 10:40 |
| schestowitz | "When you counterfeit/broadcast, you kill people" | Mar 03 10:41 |
| schestowitz | From the people who brought you "when you code open source you support communism" | Mar 03 10:41 |
| schestowitz | UK video game firms call for help < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te... >. "Save us! Forget healthcare, we need games" | Mar 03 10:43 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/2009... "As it appears that the US government will be putting even more money into AIG beyond the $150 billion we've (us, taxpayers) have already spent, Fred Wilson has a good point about why government funded businesses will almost always act inefficiently. " | Mar 03 10:46 |
| schestowitz | The Pirate Bay Closing Arguments: Since We Can't Get The Real Infringers, We Should Blame Everything On These Guys < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090302... > | Mar 03 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Brainwash means go rusty: Broadcast TV Faces Struggle to Stay Viable < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/business/med... > | Mar 03 10:52 |
| schestowitz | No right to encrypt: "The ruling reversed an earlier decision by a federal magistrate that said forcing Boucher to enter his password into his laptop would violate his Fifth-Amendment rights against self incrimination." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/03/en... | Mar 03 10:54 |
| schestowitz | "Nine days later, authorities armed with a subpoena tried to access the pictures again and this time were unable to inspect the hard drive's contents because it was protected by encryption software from PGP, or Pretty Good Privacy." | Mar 03 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Seems like they have no back door for PGP then. Some thought they had forced Phil to do it. | Mar 03 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Convicted Romanian hacker is hot commodity in Italy < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/02/r... > "Now a security company called Way-Log has offered him a part-time job, according to news reports." | Mar 03 10:57 |
| schestowitz | '"WE ARE GATHERING IN CHALLENGING TIMES," boomed California Governor Arnie Schwarzenegger at the opening of mega IT trade show, CeBit, in Hannover tonight.' http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... | Mar 03 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Pew study finds one in 31 U.S. citizens are criminals < http://www.itwire.com/content/v... > | Mar 03 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Will Microsoft Rebrand Live Search? Does It Matter? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160505/w... > | Mar 03 11:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8248 'Heartland claim that those attending will be "calling attention to new research that contradicts claims that Earth’s moderate warming during the twentieth century primarily was man-made and has reached crisis proportions."' Convenient delusionss. | Mar 03 11:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/20... "So in this context I’m a self-appointed representative of the Internet-using citizens of the world, who want the governments we pay for to make saner use of the Net, and would be happy for the United States to provide us all with a good example." | Mar 03 11:19 |
| schestowitz | More Microsoft layoffs: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_temp_... | Mar 03 11:26 |
| schestowitz | "The contract workers acknowledged that some employees are losing their jobs, but they said they're nonetheless concerned about the precedent that would be set if they agreed to a revision in their existing contracts." | Mar 03 11:26 |
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| oiaohm | I am supprised there has not been any all for 1 and | Mar 03 11:36 |
| oiaohm | one for all jokes over the patent case. | Mar 03 11:36 |
| schestowitz | "As of this morning I've worked 41 hours this weekend and slept for about 5 or 6. Right now, I'm so tired I can't sleep (ever had that happen to you? Probably, if you do what I do for a living)." http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2009/0... | Mar 03 11:38 |
| oiaohm | http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/0... Things are starting to shift. | Mar 03 11:40 |
| oiaohm | I should not be mean say get back to me when its 52 + hours straight. | Mar 03 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Boy does that sux. Normally causes by masive network crashes. | Mar 03 11:41 |
| schestowitz | What does? | Mar 03 11:42 |
| oiaohm | 52 hours without sleep. | Mar 03 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Due to having to having chain server failures. | Mar 03 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Last one was caused by a dud batch of harddrives. | Mar 03 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu usage in Ampang Parliament Office http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2009/0... | Mar 03 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Yet for some reason Linux changes are not showing up in web numbers. | Mar 03 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Which Web numbers? The fake ones? Apple/MS-sponsored Net Applicatioms? | Mar 03 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Yes I was skiping over that point schestowitz | Mar 03 11:46 |
| oiaohm | Yes my style of sarcasim. Very hard to spot. | Mar 03 11:47 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/06/n... | Mar 03 11:47 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... | Mar 03 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Result of too much time on tech support recently. | Mar 03 11:48 |
| oiaohm | I have started hidding my insults. | Mar 03 11:48 |
| oiaohm | News about anything new other than Open source has slowed to a snails pace or maybe slower. | Mar 03 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Mar 03 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Press is dying too | Mar 03 11:52 |
| schestowitz | I was posting more examples earlier. TV broadcast is affected too, leaving open the airwaves. | Mar 03 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Germans tune in to Internet radio and video: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/we... | Mar 03 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Oh, the irony: Prime Minister's health records breached in database attack < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/... >\ | Mar 03 11:58 |
| schestowitz | In conclusion, I can testify that beyond any doubt the British government has for at least six years a considered but secret policy of cooperation with torture abroad. < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archiv... > | Mar 03 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Wonder if chance to start datacasting will happen soon. | Mar 03 12:03 |
| schestowitz | There's big news coming today re: patents in US | Mar 03 12:04 |
| schestowitz | A Reform Bill is to be introduced | Mar 03 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Labour Approach Sir Alan Sugar For Mayoral Bid < http://londonist.com/2009/03/labour_... >. What?? No lawyer??? :-) | Mar 03 12:05 |
| *schestowitz 's mousewheel has been misbehaving since last night. Some signals don't get through. | Mar 03 12:07 | |
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| schestowitz | Flock Ditching Firefox, Moving To Google Chrome < http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy... >. But Chrome is Windows-only pseudo-source.. | Mar 03 12:18 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: did you try blag? | Mar 03 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | Mar 03 12:28 |
| schestowitz | [H]omer builds it, so I'll try it | Mar 03 12:28 |
| schestowitz | This is major: Want list: Always Innovating’s Touch Book < http://features.csmonitor.com/innovati... > | Mar 03 12:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... | Mar 03 12:39 |
| schestowitz | "California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has some advice for people complaining about the state of the global economy: stop whining." < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160533/stop_w... > | Mar 03 12:43 |
| oiaohm | At long last one of them is starting to say the right thing. | Mar 03 12:44 |
| oiaohm | More people focus on what is broken the worst it gets. | Mar 03 12:44 |
| schestowitz | "End of an era," as some say. | Mar 03 12:44 |
| oiaohm | People said that after the .net bust. | Mar 03 12:44 |
| oiaohm | And all the past busts. | Mar 03 12:45 |
| oiaohm | It was never really the end of an era. | Mar 03 12:45 |
| schestowitz | This one isn't an Internet bubble. | Mar 03 12:45 |
| schestowitz | It's global and it's not only IT. | Mar 03 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Some say it could get worse than the 1930s, but I dunno. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| oiaohm | A bubble is a bubble. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Only one thing this one was huge. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| oiaohm | People still need food. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| oiaohm | People still need fuel. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| oiaohm | The basic requirements have not changed one bit. | Mar 03 12:46 |
| oiaohm | This was the free credit bubble. | Mar 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's been long overdue | Mar 03 12:47 |
| schestowitz | People swept it other the rug | Mar 03 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Just like every other bubble. | Mar 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | The Federal Reserve too. Greenspan should be brough back only to be SACKED | Mar 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | McKinnon extradition review date set < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/03/... > | Mar 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: food news fuel | Mar 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | You convert energy to agriculture | Mar 03 12:48 |
| oiaohm | The difference between bubble and non bubble is simple. | Mar 03 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Lacking eneregy and with growing population, we're in for some real trouble. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| oiaohm | non bubble was the past crash they compare current mess to. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-... | Mar 03 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Remember past mess the stock market went belly up. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Completely that. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| oiaohm | That is a market crash. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| oiaohm | That is really really bad. | Mar 03 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Bubble causes pain yes. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| schestowitz | This one is unprecedented since Great D* | Mar 03 12:50 |
| oiaohm | But parts of the system are still working as if nothign happened. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Healthcare sure. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Great Depression was a stock market splat. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Were shares basically become 100 percent worthless. | Mar 03 12:50 |
| oiaohm | No matter what company they were in. | Mar 03 12:51 |
| oiaohm | We are not seeing that. | Mar 03 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Carly Fiorina has surgery for breast cancer < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f... > | Mar 03 12:51 |
| oiaohm | All we are really seeing is a correction. | Mar 03 12:51 |
| schestowitz | She almost killed HP, eh? | Mar 03 12:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I know. | Mar 03 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Just like after the .net bubble bust. | Mar 03 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Now it's more gradual. | Mar 03 12:51 |
| schestowitz | But the trend is clear | Mar 03 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Unemployment in the US is over 13% | Mar 03 12:52 |
| schestowitz | Compared to 25% at the leak 80 years ago | Mar 03 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Goverments need to change there focus. | Mar 03 12:52 |
| schestowitz | To..? | Mar 03 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Its not pushing out great ammounts of money that will fix this. | Mar 03 12:52 |
| schestowitz | No sh*. :-) | Mar 03 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Its purely confendence. | Mar 03 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Just like after the .net bust. | Mar 03 12:53 |
| schestowitz | I think brth control is an urgent need | Mar 03 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Human population is FAR too vast for this planet | Mar 03 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Rember the year after the .net bust. | Mar 03 12:53 |
| oiaohm | There was like no investment in .net | Mar 03 12:53 |
| schestowitz | We tripled in several decades | Mar 03 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Energy consumption up by orders of magnitude | Mar 03 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Dependancy on imports. | Mar 03 12:54 |
| oiaohm | As well. | Mar 03 12:54 |
| schestowitz | That too. | Mar 03 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Iraq invasion and all | Mar 03 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Massive dependancy on oil. | Mar 03 12:54 |
| schestowitz | It makes sense now | Mar 03 12:54 |
| schestowitz | The economics must have known an energy crisis was coming | Mar 03 12:54 |
| schestowitz | So they went looting the world's #2 oil producer | Mar 03 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Major driver of the current mess is massive debt. | Mar 03 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Saudi Arabia is already controlled by their cronies in a way | Mar 03 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Idea that we will pay latter. | Mar 03 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Mar 03 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Problem is latter is now. | Mar 03 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Rather, China will buy the US market | Mar 03 12:55 |
| schestowitz | How is Russia doing financially I wonder.. | Mar 03 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Same as normal. | Mar 03 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Let me check... | Mar 03 12:55 |
| schestowitz | What's "normal"? | Mar 03 12:55 |
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| toros | hi | Mar 03 12:55 |
| oiaohm | It was suxing badly before the mess stated. | Mar 03 12:55 |
| schestowitz | The assumption that the world belongs to the US and EU? | Mar 03 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Really it could not be made any worse. | Mar 03 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Russian national debt lowest of all G20 countries - paper < http://en.rian.ru/business/20081115/1... | Mar 03 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Good for them! | Mar 03 12:56 |
| schestowitz | They too could buy the likes of GM and Citi | Mar 03 12:56 |
| schestowitz | hi, toros | Mar 03 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes also has the lowest industry. | Mar 03 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Let me read this quickly. | Mar 03 12:56 |
| schestowitz | "The British paper put Russia's debt at $76 billion - less than 1% of the United States' $8.4 trillion. As a percentage of gross domestic product, Moscow's situation is not quite as rosy, but President George Bush would probably take a national debt running at 6% rather than 60% of GDP." | Mar 03 12:57 |
| schestowitz | US is now at about 11tr debt | Mar 03 12:57 |
| schestowitz | UK: around $3tr | Mar 03 12:57 |
| schestowitz | This makes Russian look super fortunate | Mar 03 12:57 |
| schestowitz | *Russia | Mar 03 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Note 76 billion 60% of GDP | Mar 03 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Not a good number. | Mar 03 12:58 |
| schestowitz | What will happen to US GDP? | Mar 03 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Thinking debts only exist on paper. How much damage would you cause reseting them all to 0. | Mar 03 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Russia's GDP is less imaginary of artificially inflated? | Mar 03 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | *me spots Spilt | Mar 03 13:00 |
| oiaohm | GDP most of Russia depend on gas and oil exports. | Mar 03 13:00 |
| oiaohm | That they kinda black mail the EU for price with. | Mar 03 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Don't pay enough turn taps off. | Mar 03 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Oil and energy are where the money is | Mar 03 13:00 |
| schestowitz | They have gas reserves | Mar 03 13:00 |
| schestowitz | US has coal. | Mar 03 13:00 |
| schestowitz | And all the "intellectual monopoly" nonsese it turning worthless | Mar 03 13:01 |
| binky098 | hey roy. could i throw in a novell question? re q1 results. | Mar 03 13:01 |
| schestowitz | China bears many | Mar 03 13:01 |
| schestowitz | binky098: sure | Mar 03 13:01 |
| binky098 | looked at the transcripts -- they mention that they haven't seen any microsoft coupon renewals. does this mean that it's all shelfware / customers going back to redhat or a.n.other distro? | Mar 03 13:02 |
| binky098 | and does this mean that the microsoft money is just a one off input -- no future revenue? | Mar 03 13:03 |
| binky098 | sorry -- lots of questions there ;) | Mar 03 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Novel picks up a lot of those customers updates directly. | Mar 03 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Then others have gone across to redhat. Redhat does provide better paided support. | Mar 03 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is still laying off: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micros... | Mar 03 13:04 |
| schestowitz | binky098: possibly | Mar 03 13:04 |
| schestowitz | binky098: they don't offer much real value | Mar 03 13:04 |
| schestowitz | binky098: Microsoft has too many trouble of its own | Mar 03 13:04 |
| schestowitz | It can't pay its workforce properly. | Mar 03 13:04 |
| schestowitz | The last thing on its mind it selling Linux, I think | Mar 03 13:05 |
| schestowitz | It'll keep the parts of Novell afloat where Mono and Moonlight are built, not the kernel hackers and KDE devs | Mar 03 13:05 |
| schestowitz | I reckon more companies will also turn to the likes of CentOS in attempt to save money rather than reward Red Hat. | Mar 03 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Yep basically making the SUSE distrobution dead distrobution walking. | Mar 03 13:06 |
| binky098 | So here's a thought. If the novell / microsoft deal was all about trying to kill redhat in part and now it looks like novell linux customers are going back to redhat -- how long will microsoft keep novell on life support? | Mar 03 13:06 |
| schestowitz | binky098: Microsoft sort of gave them $100mil last year | Mar 03 13:06 |
| oiaohm | As long as Novell has the patents to destroy Microsoft. | Mar 03 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft needs Novell.. parts of it anyway | Mar 03 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Novell is like a subsidiary of Microsoft.. like CItrix | Mar 03 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Novell is more like a leach. | Mar 03 13:07 |
| oiaohm | If it is going to die it will have to sue MS just to try to stay alive. Problem is Novell patents are solid. | Mar 03 13:07 |
| oiaohm | So MS pays novell. | Mar 03 13:08 |
| binky098 | So the way forward for Microsoft is to get Novell insolvent - Microsoft or one of its fronts buys up the IP ( its the only thing of real value ) Not a pretty thought | Mar 03 13:08 |
| toros | I think Microsoft will buy novell | Mar 03 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Problem here. | Mar 03 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Novells IP cannot be used against open source. | Mar 03 13:09 |
| toros | by the way, they did it already unofficially :( | Mar 03 13:09 |
| oiaohm | MS needs to either spend money to keep novel off there back. | Mar 03 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Spend money to aquire novell and hope someone like redhat does not aquire them. | Mar 03 13:10 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: there's also the WordPerfect lawsuit | Mar 03 13:10 |
| schestowitz | $300+ million there. | Mar 03 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft might be buying time with its peace deal/alliance. | Mar 03 13:10 |
| schestowitz | binky098: maybe Intellectual Vultures | Mar 03 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Novell and MS are not exactly friends. | Mar 03 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Common goal yes. | Mar 03 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Friendly no. | Mar 03 13:11 |
| toros | I don't really see, what's the goal of Novell now... the fire suse devs and hire mono devs | Mar 03 13:11 |
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| oiaohm | Novell aquired suse with the hope of return of there novel netware days. | Mar 03 13:12 |
| oiaohm | That has not happened. | Mar 03 13:12 |
| oiaohm | So I am seeing novell pulling out of Suse. Maybe they see mono as another way to get broad coverage and income. | Mar 03 13:13 |
| toros | maybe Novell wants to get aquired by microsoft? | Mar 03 13:13 |
| schestowitz | "Gartner predicts steep declines in PC shipments this year. That can't be good for Windows 7." http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/des... | Mar 03 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Putting aside the fact that Gartner is corrupt (with certifications), the slowing sales are a HUGE issue to MS | Mar 03 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Combined with this: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2205 | Mar 03 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Yep most companies are going to make there hardware last another year. | Mar 03 13:14 |
| schestowitz | People must leave legacy versions of Windows. | Mar 03 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Gibbon, Lenny and Cambridge are supported. The customers should move to these and so a favour to the Internet, too. | Mar 03 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Move to Linux or be banned from the Internet for SPAM and DDOS attacks | Mar 03 13:14 |
| schestowitz | toros: unlikely. | Mar 03 13:15 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Novell puts Linux on sale as earnings disappoint http://news.cnet.com/8301-13... | Mar 03 13:15 |
| toros | schestowitz: what do you think, what's novells ultimate goal? | Mar 03 13:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Novell knows | Mar 03 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Their CTO blogged about it | Mar 03 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Nothing about OpenSUSE | Mar 03 13:16 |
| toros | that could be true :) | Mar 03 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Just Mono and some proprietary junk they buy | Mar 03 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it... | Mar 03 13:16 |
| schestowitz | 2006: http://www.novell.com/ctoblog/?p=40 | Mar 03 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Novell has been a company since there golden years of 1998 trying to find a new place to fit in the IT landscape. | Mar 03 13:17 |
| MinceR | if the guys at novell ever thought about their direction, they'd realize they've got no future | Mar 03 13:17 |
| toros | I know a guy at the hungarian subsidiary of novell... and as far as I can tell, the people at novell (at least in Hungary) know nothing about free software | Mar 03 13:18 |
| oiaohm | MS if they are not careful don't have a future either. | Mar 03 13:18 |
| zer0c00l | [H]omer will blag all audio/video formats with default installation ? whats the kernel version? and 1 suggestion Please add vlc media player instead of mplayer | Mar 03 13:18 |
| toros | they don't even understand, how the free software ecosystem works | Mar 03 13:18 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz: sorry for posting offtopic thing | Mar 03 13:19 |
| schestowitz | That's OK | Mar 03 13:19 |
| schestowitz | The site appears to be down | Mar 03 13:21 |
| schestowitz | The server's still there, though | Mar 03 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Intel Capital delays conference due to bad economy < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgat... > | Mar 03 13:24 |
| binky098 | good question -- what is novell future direction ? only thing i can find on website says 'Making IT work as one' | Mar 03 13:25 |
| schestowitz | What's /IT/? | Mar 03 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Mono and .NET work as one? | Mar 03 13:25 |
| binky098 | i guess the interoperability stuff. | Mar 03 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/200... ""Interoperability" Aw bullshit, can't believe people still buy this one." | Mar 03 13:27 |
| schestowitz | From the comments in a blog of opensuse board member (Pascal | Mar 03 13:27 |
| schestowitz | "And of course there are patent issues with mono, ask Fedora. Not to mention Novell and MS have announced so multiple times." | Mar 03 13:27 |
| toros | I think interoperability depends mostly on Microsoft's decisions - but I'm pretty sure that they don't really want interoperability | Mar 03 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | That's right, they don't | Mar 03 13:29 |
| schestowitz | The server is acting up now *sigh* | Mar 03 13:30 |
| schestowitz | OK | Mar 03 13:31 |
| schestowitz | I think it's coming back... | Mar 03 13:31 |
| toros | I think what Microsoft wants is a bad working interoperability, to demonstrate that "Open source is years behind commercial products" | Mar 03 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Mar 03 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Mono means "like .NET... for poor people" | Mar 03 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Likewise with Moon Lie | Mar 03 13:31 |
| schestowitz | And other things | Mar 03 13:31 |
| toros | http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/200... | Mar 03 13:31 |