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Balrog_hello everyoneApr 16 00:09
Balrog_looks terribly quiet here ...Apr 16 00:09
silentivmyepApr 16 00:13
Balrog_nothing noteworthy going on?Apr 16 00:13
silentivmlikely noApr 16 00:13
schestowitzMaybe not todayApr 16 00:13
schestowitzWTF is this? 16 00:25
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schestowitzHi, tacone Apr 16 00:45
taconeheyApr 16 00:45
schestowitzI was away eating earlierApr 16 00:45
taconenpApr 16 00:45
schestowitzSo I could not replyApr 16 00:45
foo2ramtlooks like i soon won't be able to coexist in this channel and ##windowsApr 16 00:45
schestowitzYes, I saw the audiocast guysApr 16 00:45
taconei forgot they already mentioned several BN posts.Apr 16 00:45
taconein their previous podcastApr 16 00:45
schestowitzThey look with respect now, despite the fact that they interviewed Microsoft employees(ish)Apr 16 00:45
schestowitzIf Miguel counts...Apr 16 00:46
taconethey're just doing what a journalist should do.Apr 16 00:46
taconecover every point of view.Apr 16 00:46
taconei don't listen them regularly because it's tiring for me to catch the spoken languageApr 16 00:47
taconebut it seems they're being quite honest.Apr 16 00:47
taconeschestowitz: ironically, i was about to make an april fool similar to yoursApr 16 00:50
taconeonly I was about to say Sun acquired Novell. And some IT journalist wrote the same thing, but not on 1st april :PApr 16 00:51
Balrog_I don't think Sun would acquire Novell that easily ...Apr 16 00:52
Balrog_foo2ram: you mean they'll kick/ban for that?!?Apr 16 00:52
foo2ramnoApr 16 00:54
foo2rami'm always ban evadingApr 16 00:54
Balrog_lolApr 16 00:55
Balrog_I meant would they ban only for being in a certain room?Apr 16 00:55
schestowitztacone: yes, it's good that they cover both sidesApr 16 00:55
schestowitzI watches some Nader videos earlierApr 16 00:55
foo2ramit's just that watching horror films ova here doesn't make me wanna exist in the room where this horror is enforcedApr 16 00:55
schestowitzWhat the press does to him is appallingApr 16 00:55
schestowitzThey invite him only to attack and daemomise itApr 16 00:56
schestowitzhe scared the news networks that are funded by the same corporation which he criticises.Apr 16 00:56
schestowitztacone: not a journalist wrote about Sun.Apr 16 00:56
schestowitzJust an Alfresco employeeApr 16 00:57
schestowitzAnd FORMER NOVELL EMPLOYEEApr 16 00:57
taconeohApr 16 00:57
taconeso it's just me misreadingApr 16 00:57
foo2ramBalrog_, not of course, it's just as easy as not wanting to have a schizophrenia existing in bothApr 16 00:57
taconeschestowitz: sorryApr 16 00:58
schestowitzWe need an ACTA symbolApr 16 00:58
taconei was just inaccurateApr 16 00:58
schestowitzSomething uglyApr 16 00:58
taconethe news exists, but i missed it was dated 2004 :)Apr 16 00:58
tacone 16 00:58
schestowitzI want to make an image that projects what it embodiesApr 16 00:58
schestowitzOh, I know!Apr 16 00:59
schestowitzRackettaApr 16 00:59
schestowitzrACkeTtAApr 16 00:59
taconeRACKETta ?Apr 16 01:00
schestowitzhow is it spelled in Italian?Apr 16 01:00
tacone?Apr 16 01:01
taconewhat you mean 'Apr 16 01:02
tacone?Apr 16 01:02
schestowitzLike protection racketApr 16 01:02
taconeyesApr 16 01:02
schestowitzI think it's an Italian term.Apr 16 01:02
taconeitalian language is different only in the vowelsApr 16 01:02
taconespelled = how it's written or pronunced ?Apr 16 01:03
schestowitz 16 01:03
taconei think it's an english termApr 16 01:03
taconelet me checkApr 16 01:03
taconeracket it's englishApr 16 01:04
taconewe usually say 'protezione' (protection) or 'pizzo'Apr 16 01:04
taconepizzo the money you askApr 16 01:05
taconeasking for pizzo.Apr 16 01:05
taconedoes that answer your question ?Apr 16 01:05
taconeor estorsione (i bet you can find the equivalent term)Apr 16 01:05
schestowitz 16 01:06
schestowitzOh, pizzoApr 16 01:06
taconeseems nice enoughApr 16 01:06
schestowitzI remember the termApr 16 01:06
schestowitzEasy to rememberApr 16 01:06
taconepizzo is a typical term. not the same one, but relatedApr 16 01:06
schestowitzIf you don't ask for pizza, then you ask for pizzoApr 16 01:06
schestowitzIf you mispronounce pizza they call the police !! :-)Apr 16 01:07
taconeif you know someone successful doing business in your territory, then why don't ask him pizzo ?Apr 16 01:07
taconeno, everyone shuts up.Apr 16 01:07
taconethou shalt not talk ;-)Apr 16 01:08
taconethey won't harm you, as your business may disappear. they'd rather harm your family.Apr 16 01:08
schestowitzVista 7 Death Watch: Apr 16 01:11
schestowitzAntitrust returns: 16 01:12
schestowitzFormer Seattle P-I Staffers Launch Non-Profit News Site < >. Reporting becomes voluntary... Apr 16 01:23
schestowitzgnApr 16 01:23
taconegnApr 16 01:39
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taconelolApr 16 01:47
taconeread planet suse nowApr 16 01:47
tacone the first postApr 16 01:47
Balrog_wow ... Gnote is taking over fast.Apr 16 01:49
taconewell not really that butApr 16 01:49
taconethe fact he is still aggregated on planet suseApr 16 01:49
Balrog_yes I see.Apr 16 01:49
taconewhat an irony, announcing 0.12 in planet suse :)Apr 16 01:49
Balrog_:PApr 16 01:50
Balrog_it's a good thingApr 16 01:50
taconeplanet ballnux :)Apr 16 01:50
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_Hicham_Hi balzacApr 16 02:42
paulgaskinhi _Hicham_Apr 16 02:58
_Hicham_how r u doing?Apr 16 02:58
paulgaskinlooks like my freenode nick has been takenApr 16 02:58
paulgaskinalrightApr 16 02:58
paulgaskinthis is oddApr 16 02:59
paulgaskinI switched from balzac to paulgaskinApr 16 03:00
paulgaskinnow I can't seem to switch backApr 16 03:00
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balzacokApr 16 03:01
balzacI was in a channel which locked me outApr 16 03:02
balzacwell, I was blocked from changing my nick until I left that channelApr 16 03:02
balzacthat was oddApr 16 03:02
_Hicham_that must be a cursed channelApr 16 03:04
balzacno, just a channel in which I was present, yet not allowed to speakApr 16 03:05
balzac#ubuntu-opsApr 16 03:05
balzacI had a bit of a psychological snafu involving an OP thereApr 16 03:05
balzacI don't take the credit for the brittleness of IRC opsApr 16 03:05
balzacI called him an authoritarian mall cop and said I'd make an issue of it at Ubuntu community councilApr 16 03:06
balzache's going to discuss with colleaguesApr 16 03:06
balzacIt was weirdApr 16 03:06
balzacI don't want to see people with real trouble based on IRCApr 16 03:07
_Hicham_they think that they are very importantApr 16 03:07
balzacwell, they are, but so are we allApr 16 03:07
balzacAnyway, we're acquainted on a first-name basis now, but he's still pissedApr 16 03:08
balzacor something...Apr 16 03:08
balzacToo much corporate discipline freezes people's personalitiesApr 16 03:09
_Hicham_u said the truthApr 16 03:09
balzacI'm not saying they don't need ops, and that ops should never ban peopleApr 16 03:09
balzacbut I asked him to lift the ban after a few weeks had passedApr 16 03:10
_Hicham_they are just moronsApr 16 03:10
balzache wanted me to take a good 5 minutes and read the COCApr 16 03:10
balzaccode of conductApr 16 03:10
_Hicham_better talk to humans, not to robotsApr 16 03:10
balzacI came back after a minute 35 and said it was very basicApr 16 03:10
balzaceven people working for big companies are people, not robotsApr 16 03:11
balzaceven if they forget sometimes in the course of their jobApr 16 03:11
_Hicham_noApr 16 03:11
_Hicham_they become robotsApr 16 03:11
_Hicham_practicallyApr 16 03:11
balzacthey become bureaucratsApr 16 03:11
_Hicham_shitocratsApr 16 03:11
balzacwell, they're still people who want to keep their jobsApr 16 03:12
balzacand move up as wellApr 16 03:12
_Hicham_I agree on thatApr 16 03:13
_Hicham_but we still need to feel human contactApr 16 03:13
balzacpeople need to be personalApr 16 03:14
balzacin the positive senseApr 16 03:14
balzacand perhaps bureaucratic when it's appropriateApr 16 03:14
balzacActually, a good bureaucrat seems personally interested or at least not indifferent when engaging others.Apr 16 03:15
_Hicham_good nightApr 16 03:16
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twitterAnyone out there awake?Apr 16 03:23
zer0c00ltwitter, yesApr 16 03:23
zer0c00l:PApr 16 03:23
zer0c00lits morning hereApr 16 03:23
zer0c00lbalzac, is awake i guessApr 16 03:23
twitterGood morning, zer0Apr 16 03:24
zer0c00lGood morning twitterApr 16 03:24
twitterHere's a fun link about M$'s crushing of Corel. 16 03:25
twitterPatent abuse, .NET promotion, the works.  Look familiar?  Same old game, year 2000.Apr 16 03:25
twitterI think it's safe to say it's a losing game now.Apr 16 03:25
balzacyoApr 16 03:26
twitterNeedless to say, Corel Linux died and Word Perfect for Linux and Unix became a Wine thing after that.Apr 16 03:37
tessierCorel't heard of that in years.Apr 16 03:40
twitterIt's called Xandros, I think.Apr 16 03:41
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schestowitzHeyApr 16 07:36
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schestowitzNew document on Microsoft's crimes: It reminds me of Comes Petition. Any text version? Is this reproducible.Apr 16 07:49
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schestowitzSpies come to Microblogging: What's the newest police tool? Try Twitter < >Apr 16 08:37
schestowitzChambers Signals Cisco Unlikely to Make Offer for Sun 16 08:47
schestowitzRMS: "Obama has confirmed his support for the copyright bullies against the public, by appointing another RIAA lawyer to public office. By doing this shortly after many organizations asked him not to do so, he made his support for the cruel War on Sharing more pointed."Apr 16 08:50
schestowitzPolice watchdog chief wrong to say no CCTV in area of Ian Tomlinson assault < > RMS: " The London "independent" police investigating agency claimed there were no surveillance cameras in the area where police fatally attacked Tomlinson. Until citizens found cameras there."Apr 16 08:52
schestowitz"It is strange that these cameras failed to show police attacking a civilian. But not really so strage, given that the police are the ones who check the recordings. Police systematically lie to support the crimes of the police, and that naturally includes failing to notice evidence of these crimes."Apr 16 08:52
schestowitzWorld will not meet 2C warming target, climate change experts agree < >Apr 16 08:54
schestowitzClimate change explained - the impact of temperature rises < > People are 'too busy' for this...Apr 16 08:55
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schestowitz"MP4 (or mov) wouldn't satisfy stallman anymore than flash does. It's patent-encumbered. There's actually a difference. Patent issues are dependant on the legislation one is currently in. MPEG codecs are not patented in every part of the world." 16 08:56
schestowitz is shutting down. :-(Apr 16 09:08
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MinceRj0Apr 16 09:29
schestowitzProtests in EUApr 16 09:32
schestowitzGermany..Apr 16 09:32
schestowitzI process the videos (ping zoobab01, are you there?)Apr 16 09:32
schestowitzEurope revolts against software patents: 16 09:37
schestowitzACTA is racketeering: 16 09:37
schestowitzVideos of the talk Richard Stallman gave at the EPO protests yesterday: 16 09:44
schestowitzit'll be interesting to see bandwidth usage tomorrow because of the Oggs. We already do 7-8GB/dayApr 16 09:47
zer0c00lschestowitz, downloading RMS video :DApr 16 09:48
zer0c00lIts 15 Mb?Apr 16 09:48
schestowitzCan you help find connection between McKinsey & Co. analyst William Forrest  and Microsoft? 16 09:48
schestowitzzer0c00l: the second part is 25MBApr 16 09:48
schestowitzI wonder if the authorities cut his talk shortApr 16 09:48
schestowitzYou hear sirens and then RMS says he's asked to stop talkingApr 16 09:49
schestowitzHe called the EPO corructApr 16 09:49
schestowitzHe called people to defend their constitution.Apr 16 09:49
schestowitzThe authorities and the EPO nearby couldn't be too happyApr 16 09:49
schestowitzThe Alex Brown shill is still batting for the MafiaSoftApr 16 09:50
schestowitz"USA votes to adopt OOXML as an ANSI standard, & IBM votes yes; how do we read that one?"Apr 16 09:50
schestowitz 16 09:50
schestowitzMakes one thing of back room collusion again.Apr 16 09:50
schestowitzZDNET contradicts itself and says: "But Linux isn’t the big beast Microsoft fears: it’s Apple."Apr 16 09:53
schestowitzNo, no. Microsoft ITSELF says that Linux is a greater threat.Apr 16 09:53
MinceRthey realized they shouldn't have said thatApr 16 09:54
schestowitz"Linux looks to be a big desktop OS winner -- at least in the enterprise. White reckoned that, in the 2007 version of this annual survey, 42 per cent said they’d switch to Linux, but two years later in 2009, half said they’d switch." 16 09:54
MinceRso they use their mouthpiece known as zdnet to start saying the oppositeApr 16 09:54
schestowitzMinceR: they have said this for agesApr 16 09:54
schestowitzLinux plays for another rule and zeroes Microsoft's profitsApr 16 09:54
schestowitzAnd it's NOT just for desktops, either. It runs everything and big companies from oracle to IBM and Google use it.Apr 16 09:55
MinceRi know but it might be unwise to reveal who one fears mostApr 16 09:55
schestowitzNew great-lookin' phone runs Linux: (PIC inside)Apr 16 09:56
schestowitzMinceR: yes, true that too. BUT... this was said repeatedly by several executives.Apr 16 09:57
schestowitzALSO..Apr 16 09:57
schestowitzWatch quarterly reportApr 16 09:57
schestowitzThey could be sued for deceiving investorsApr 16 09:57
schestowitzTherein they admit that Linux is their headacheApr 16 09:57
schestowitzDoes this page render for you? I get blank. 16 09:58
schestowitzYuck. View page source. SO many blank partsApr 16 10:00
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MinceRthe content doesn't appearApr 16 10:01
schestowitzAlcatel uses Linux while suing Microsoft for patent infringement: 16 10:01
schestowitzsjvn: "Windows like the dinosaurs is much slower than the quick and clever Linux mammals." 16 10:01
DaemonFCI dug up an old copy of Windows Server 2003 x64 to play withApr 16 10:01
DaemonFC:PApr 16 10:01
MinceRewApr 16 10:02
schestowitzDoes it come with SolitaireApr 16 10:02
DaemonFCit's wonderful to be able to copy stuff and take it home :PApr 16 10:02
DaemonFCsure doesApr 16 10:02
MinceRof course it doesApr 16 10:02
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 10:02
schestowitzI heard that Microsoft's [S]erver comes with Media Player tooApr 16 10:02
MinceRMCSE-s have to be able to use their hard earned knowledge, after allApr 16 10:02
DaemonFCyes it doesApr 16 10:02
MinceRso Minesweeper and Solitaire are a mustApr 16 10:02
schestowitzSo there was this joke, "what for?" For admins to listen to music while cleaning viruses and defragging?Apr 16 10:02
DaemonFC-DaemonFC- VERSION xchat 2.8.7e Windows 5.2Apr 16 10:03
DaemonFC:PApr 16 10:03
MinceRwindows server is for m$ fanboys who run it on their desktops too and lie to themselves that it's stableApr 16 10:03
MinceRbecause it's omfg serverApr 16 10:03
DaemonFCit's stable enoughApr 16 10:03
DaemonFCthe problem is driversApr 16 10:03
DaemonFCsometimes drivers marked Vista x64 or Windows 7 x64 will workApr 16 10:04
zer0c00ljust-because-its-open-source-doesnt mean its open, google blocks cupcake users from android market: 16 10:04
DaemonFCother times you have to modify the INF file so that it will installApr 16 10:04
zer0c00lanyone knows whats the story behind?Apr 16 10:04
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DaemonFCbut I did manage to get it down to 0 unrecognized devicesApr 16 10:04
DaemonFCafter several hoursApr 16 10:05
DaemonFCand using drivers meant for three different versions of WindowsApr 16 10:05
DaemonFC:PApr 16 10:05
schestowitzzer0c00l: yes, that's GOOGApr 16 10:05
MinceRthey made it clear already that if you want control, you'd better avoid android marketApr 16 10:05
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MinceRbut at least you can, without jailbreakingApr 16 10:05
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MinceRunlike the jesusPhoneApr 16 10:05
DaemonFCI made a partition for this so that my TV tuner card will work and I can stream my webcam on Ustream mainlyApr 16 10:06
DaemonFC:PApr 16 10:06
DaemonFCI'm not comfortable even having this on my system really :PApr 16 10:06
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DaemonFCeverytime I figure out how to make something work I immediately back it up in a folder of macgyvered driversApr 16 10:07
DaemonFCin case I need to reinstall :PApr 16 10:07
DaemonFCI tend to get arm twisted into upgrading when I just cannot possibly use what I have any longerApr 16 10:09
DaemonFC:PApr 16 10:09
DaemonFCschestowitz: Did you know Windows 95 OSR 2 could be made to do 1680 x 1050 display output?Apr 16 10:10
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 10:10
schestowitzDaemonFC: I liked how he put it in terms that laymen can understand, using farming and music analogies.Apr 16 10:10
schestowitzWindows 95: Shut me DownApr 16 10:11
schestowitz[But start me Up first]Apr 16 10:11
schestowitzIn Windows, you have to start in order to finishApr 16 10:11
MinceRyou start the shutdownApr 16 10:12
MinceRand if you're lucky, eventually it will finishApr 16 10:12
schestowitzWell, at least you know where $6BN in R&D goes...Apr 16 10:12
MinceRon xp, this can take ages, of courseApr 16 10:12
schestowitzbrainfartsApr 16 10:12
MinceRR&D is probably just another code for Marketing thereApr 16 10:12
schestowitzMinceR: when I used Windows 98 it would sometimes not finishApr 16 10:12
DaemonFCI don't know, on a purely technical level, if you have to use anything from MS, it should be their business stuffApr 16 10:12
schestowitzIt was a known bug IIRCApr 16 10:12
schestowitzSometimes shutdown would not completeApr 16 10:12
DaemonFCit does at least tend to be less crapApr 16 10:12
schestowitzSo you have to power down at the mains, risking lossApr 16 10:13
schestowitzMinceR: R&D IS a marketing termApr 16 10:13
schestowitzAnother is innovationApr 16 10:13
schestowitzI'd show you Talking Points memosApr 16 10:13
schestowitzThey are instructed to use these wordsApr 16 10:13
schestowitzAnd stupid FrausStreet investor are impressed by such wordsApr 16 10:14
MinceR:)Apr 16 10:14
zer0c00l:PApr 16 10:14
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schestowitzAnother such word is "Lebs"Apr 16 10:14
schestowitz*Labs"Apr 16 10:14
schestowitzbe careful when you see the word.Apr 16 10:14
schestowitzLike Adobe L:abs or Mozilla LabsApr 16 10:14
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zer0c00lschestowitz, when do they useApr 16 10:15
zer0c00lokApr 16 10:15
schestowitzLabs = some guy wanking in a cubicleApr 16 10:15
schestowitz"Ah! yes, I can add a tickbox ... RIGHT HERE! YES. Innova~1"Apr 16 10:15
schestowitzeWeek says "labs"Apr 16 10:15
schestowitzOr benchmarkApr 16 10:15
DaemonFCI've never really seen Microsoft out in front designing a better user interfaceApr 16 10:15
schestowitzSome authors too... talking about their "lab"Apr 16 10:16
schestowitzProbably sitting there in a garage with a CRTApr 16 10:16
DaemonFCeven though they like to beat their chest everytime they switch things around for absolutely no reasonApr 16 10:16
DaemonFCthat frustrates me anyway, cause I have to stop and relearn exactly how the new Windows works and where things areApr 16 10:17
DaemonFCbefore I even know where the document I just saved isApr 16 10:17
DaemonFC:PApr 16 10:17
DaemonFCschestowitz: But every GUI seems to be doing this to just try to differentiate themselves from everyone elseApr 16 10:18
schestowitzGOTCHA! EU takes UK to court over Phorm snooping trials < >. They should imprison one of the few criminals in-between the UK government, BT, and PhormApr 16 10:19
schestowitzThe whole thing is white-collar crime for surveillanceApr 16 10:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: case of point: MSO07Apr 16 10:20
schestowitzChange GUI for the sake of it... Apr 16 10:20
DaemonFCOffice is even worseApr 16 10:20
DaemonFCbut you really don't need OfficeApr 16 10:20
DaemonFCGo-OO is compatible with enough of their formats to avoid buying MS OfficeApr 16 10:20
schestowitz Zune is dead..Apr 16 10:21
schestowitzGo-OO has nothing that's not in OOo, format-wiseApr 16 10:21
schestowitzThe 'translator' was used by Microsoft to promote MOOXApr 16 10:21
schestowitzThat would be part of the Novell agreement with MicrosoftApr 16 10:22
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DaemonFCWhat did he mean not going to let him tell them more?Apr 16 10:26
DaemonFCDoes he mean you can be arrested for saying that you disagree with the EU?Apr 16 10:27
schestowitzMore Linux: (Aware A-View netbook with detachable screen, only $150)Apr 16 10:28
schestowitzDaemonFC: no, it's a democracyApr 16 10:28
schestowitzHad there not been legal resistance, then people above would get away with anything/Apr 16 10:28
DaemonFChmmm, my logitech software saves to Windows MediaApr 16 10:29
*DaemonFC pukesApr 16 10:29
schestowitzOh waitApr 16 10:29
schestowitzAre we talking about Phorm or SW patents here?Apr 16 10:29
DaemonFCStallman's speechApr 16 10:29
schestowitzLogitech is close to MS AFAIKApr 16 10:29
schestowitzMS was gonna buy themApr 16 10:29
schestowitzThere were only rumours thoughApr 16 10:29
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schestowitzLogitech does not support Linux reallyApr 16 10:29
DaemonFCMicrosoft makes their own camsApr 16 10:29
schestowitzThough I wonder, was it THEIR keyboatd that used Linux?Apr 16 10:29
schestowitzLet me checkApr 16 10:30
DaemonFCand the generic UVC driver works in Linux for this camApr 16 10:30
DaemonFCit's just that most web applets that access it don'tApr 16 10:30
DaemonFCFlash problemsApr 16 10:30
schestowitzAh!Apr 16 10:30
schestowitz 16 10:30
MinceRat least logitech peripherals don't need special drivers to workApr 16 10:30
schestowitz"It actually has a mini Linux computer inside, letting you watch internet video or place widgets on that wee screen, front and center and tiltable for your viewing pleasure."Apr 16 10:30
schestowitzSo Logitech now uses embedded LinuxApr 16 10:30
schestowitzGREAT!Apr 16 10:30
MinceRi've heard of a m$ keyboard where the scroll wheel didn't even send scancodes for one direction if you didn't use the driverApr 16 10:30
DaemonFCMy Microsoft keyboard works in Linux, even the special buttons :PApr 16 10:31
schestowitzMinceR: I had a Logitech mouseApr 16 10:31
schestowitzVery goodApr 16 10:31
schestowitzI mean, here at homeApr 16 10:31
schestowitzThe scroller went titsup last monthApr 16 10:31
MinceRi have several logitech mice and two logitech keyboardsApr 16 10:31
schestowitzSo now I used another mouseApr 16 10:31
MinceRalso, my work machine has a logitech mouse and keyboardApr 16 10:31
schestowitzLogitech doesn't last me long... not even at work (same story)Apr 16 10:31
schestowitzMechanical issuesApr 16 10:31
MinceRnone of my slim keyboards last long, i'm trying a Logitech Ultra-Flat nowApr 16 10:32
DaemonFCEven when I used Windows daily I avoided Windows MediaApr 16 10:32
MinceRif this doesn't last either, i'll go back to my Internet Navigator SEApr 16 10:32
MinceRwhich is non-slimApr 16 10:32
DaemonFCit's just very bad quality if nothing elseApr 16 10:32
DaemonFCSomeone had Ubuntu on the Windows Marketplace at one pointApr 16 10:34
schestowitzLinux Works Even When Your PC is Committing Suicide < 16 10:34
DaemonFCtook MS a few days to take it downApr 16 10:34
schestowitzYes, been on DiggApr 16 10:34
DaemonFChmmm, I may buy Oblivion: GOTYApr 16 10:35
DaemonFCthey use SecuROM on that though so there's a whole howto about getting it installed in Wine :PApr 16 10:35
DaemonFCthe funny thing was they released the original game with no copy protection then it got on torrent sites.....Apr 16 10:36
DaemonFCso they paid Sony for Securom and sold this versionApr 16 10:36
DaemonFCwhich got on torrent sitesApr 16 10:36
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 10:36
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DaemonFCI'll probably just build my next systemApr 16 10:38
MinceRwhen will they learn?Apr 16 10:38
DaemonFCreason I bought this whole was cause it was a refurbApr 16 10:38
DaemonFCMinceR: They haven;t so far and back in the 80s I was using code wheels to align the runes to form the passwordApr 16 10:38
DaemonFCso I could load Dungeons & DragonsApr 16 10:38
DaemonFC:PApr 16 10:38
oiaohmI am currently in a real MS hating mood.Apr 16 10:39
oiaohmOn company I have been working with has split in two.   So now all volume licence disks have to be returned and new disks issued to both new companies and all machines re licenced acordaly.Apr 16 10:40
oiaohmOn/OneApr 16 10:40
schestowitzNo redistribution?Apr 16 10:41
DaemonFCthat's funnyApr 16 10:42
oiaohmRules of volume licences schestowitzApr 16 10:43
oiaohmThey sux.Apr 16 10:43
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schestowitzAIG is busy robbing  (what's left in) the United States: "House Democrats are investigating American International Group Inc.'s role in a campaign to discredit its former chairman and chief executive officer, Maurice 'Hank' Greenberg, in the wake of federal bailouts to the insurance company totaling $182.5 billion," reports Bloomberg.Apr 16 10:47
DaemonFChmmmmApr 16 10:47
DaemonFCthis DVR software actually works pretty wellApr 16 10:47
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, I jokes about redistribution. How hard can it be to copy 0s and 1s?Apr 16 10:48
oiaohmFun but is the old licence keys can be deactivated in 30 days.Apr 16 10:48
DaemonFChmmmApr 16 10:49
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DaemonFCWindows Media Player can't playback the audio trackApr 16 10:49
DaemonFC:PApr 16 10:49
*amarsh04 made the mistake of restarting kdm whilst in kdeApr 16 10:51
schestowitzMore crime in the US: 16 10:51
oiaohmOk not the worse.Apr 16 10:51
schestowitzLike Microsoft's letters from the dead.Apr 16 10:51
oiaohmHere is the stupid part about all this.Apr 16 10:52
schestowitzIf the state functioned, Dewey Square Group would be sentenced to PRISONApr 16 10:52
oiaohmI am now setting up Linux backup servers for the Windows Servers that might not have a licience in time.Apr 16 10:52
schestowitz[Along with those funding it, inc. Microsoft]Apr 16 10:52
oiaohmI am not sure If I should be praying for Ms failure right now.Apr 16 10:53
schestowitz "Despite Barack Obama's bold rhetoric on global warming, the administration is pursuing a more timid line both domestically and in international negotiations leading to the COP15 conference in Copenhagen in December. "Apr 16 10:54
DaemonFCoiaohm: So Microsoft's volume licensing is forcing some pause to try LinuxApr 16 10:54
DaemonFCironicApr 16 10:54
DaemonFCheheApr 16 10:54
schestowitzoiaohm: no need to prayApr 16 10:54
schestowitzIt happens naturallyApr 16 10:54
DaemonFCschestowitz: I need to find a cracked uxtheme.dll so I can use unsigned solor themes :PApr 16 10:55
DaemonFC*colorApr 16 10:55
DaemonFCThat's really all the $20 StyleXP program doesApr 16 10:55
DaemonFCMS gets a cut of the license fees so you can use extra themesApr 16 10:55
oiaohmRemember I said some day my live gets warped.Apr 16 11:01
oiaohmToday is one of those days.Apr 16 11:01
DaemonFChmmm, Deluge is on WindowsApr 16 11:01
oiaohmYou would think common sence work work.Apr 16 11:01
oiaohmBut not they are Microsoft.Apr 16 11:01
oiaohmIe send out the new sets of volume licience then after than de issue.Apr 16 11:02
DaemonFCoiaohm: You have to be careful about downloading updates when that version of Windows is in Extended SupportApr 16 11:02
DaemonFCsometimes they cause infuriating bugs on purpose that were never there beforeApr 16 11:02
DaemonFCto pester you into "upgrading"Apr 16 11:02
oiaohmTurns out MS WSUS server basically filters thatApr 16 11:02
oiaohmSomething I wish would work on Linux.Apr 16 11:03
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schestowitzNovell is happy about Mono, so it must be good, right? 16 11:23
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schestowitzoiaohm: Here is your friendly neighbour, Microsoft: 16 11:30
MinceRyour Friendly Neighborhood Microsoft-Man?Apr 16 11:34
schestowitzUnclew Bill givva you some candyApr 16 11:35
MinceRand uncle steve, tooApr 16 11:36
schestowitzFester?? No way.Apr 16 11:36
schestowitzI don't like it when FOSS sites concentrate on cannibalisation in the Linux market :-( 16 11:38
schestowitzSpeaking of which, Novell already has the Microsoft channels (and MSDeIcaza has Channel 9). They don't need Red Hat's ISVs and channel partners.Apr 16 11:39
MinceRnah, Fester is nowhere as creepy as the m$ familyApr 16 11:39
schestowitzMicrosoft is selling Ballnux vouchers (which it calls "patent royalties", I kid you not).Apr 16 11:40
schestowitzSome people laked stories to me.Apr 16 11:40
schestowitzMicrosoft is trying to pollute Linux with patents..Apr 16 11:40
zoobab01sureApr 16 11:41
zoobab01that's why the Linux guys are so weak when it comes to fight swpatsApr 16 11:41
schestowitzCoverage for Ken: 16 11:41
schestowitzzoobab01: they are in deniaklApr 16 11:42
schestowitzOther examples: "I don't worry about the trillion in debt because look, I still get my wage"; "global warming is not an issue because some 'scientists' say it's exaggerated and Gore has a funny face"...Apr 16 11:43
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_Hicham_Hi oiaohmApr 16 11:48
oiaohmHi _Hicham_Apr 16 11:48

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