EditorsAbout the SiteComes vs. MicrosoftUsing This Web SiteSite ArchivesCredibility IndexOOXMLOpenDocumentPatentsNovellNews DigestSite NewsRSS

08.08.08

New OOXML Fiasco: Germany and Canada Propose Microsoft as Editor for ODF-OOXML Convergence

Posted in America, Europe, Microsoft, Open XML, OpenDocument at 12:02 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Result of the vote just in…

It should be clear to see that ‘puppet nation’, which only joined very briefly in order to serve Microsoft, did not vote this time around. They have already done their job. A few of those that voted seem keen enough to go on the record and propose that Microsoft takes over.

Here is the recommendation from Canada: John Weigelt, National Technology Officer for Microsoft Canada.

Germany put down Mario Wendt of Microsoft Deutschland. Mario also stuffed attended the horrific BRM in Geneva [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12].

For OOXML abuse stories from Germany and Canada, start at the index. It’s clear that Microsoft still strives to control ODF.

Here is the document containing this new information [PDF]. The accompanying page is laid out below as HTML, but much the formatting is lost.








ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34

Document Description and Processing Languages


Secretariat: Japan (JISC)

























DOC. TYPE
Summary of Voting/Table of Replies
TITLE
Summary of Voting on SC 34 N 1035: Proposal for New Work Item on Open Document Format (ISO/IEC 26300) / Office Open XML (ISO/IEC 29500) Translation
SOURCE
SC 34 Secretariat
PROJECT
 
STATUS
This document will reviewed at the SC 34 plenary meeting to be held in Jeju, Republic of Korea, 2008-10-01.
ACTION ID
FYI
DUE DATE
 
DISTRIBUTION P, O and L Members of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34
; ISO/IEC JTC 1 Secretariat; ISO/IEC ITTF
ACCESS LEVEL
Def
ISSUE NO.
31
FILE
NAME
SIZE (KB)
PAGES




1056c.htm1056.pdf
 42
110



Secretariat ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34
– IPSJ/ITSCJ (Information Processing Society of Japan/Information Technology Standards Commission of Japan)*
Room 308-3, Kikai-Shinko-Kaikan Bldg., 3-5-8, Shiba-Koen, Minato-ku, Tokyo 105-0011 Japan
*Standard Organization Accredited by JISC



Telephone: +81-3-3431-2808;
Facsimile: +81-3-3431-6493;
E-mail: kimura@itscj.ipsj.or.jp



Raw text version of the PDF is below.


Result of voting
Ballot Information:
Ballot reference:
Ballot type:
Ballot title:
Opening date:
Closing date:
Note:
JTC1/SC34N1035
NWIP
Proposal for New Work Item on
OpenDocument Format (ISO/IEC 26300) /
Office Open XML (ISO/IEC 29500)
Translation
2008-04-29
2008-07-29

Member responses:
Votes cast (28)
Comments submitted (3)
Votes not cast (11)
Brazil (ABNT)
Bulgaria (BDS)
Canada (SCC)
Chile (INN)
China (SAC)
Colombia (ICONTEC)
Czech Republic (CNI)
Denmark (DS)
Finland (SFS)
France (AFNOR)
Germany (DIN)
India (BIS)
Italy (UNI)
Japan (JISC)
Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST)
Kenya (KEBS)
Korea, Republic of (KATS)
Malaysia (DSM)
Malta (MSA)
Netherlands (NEN)
New Zealand (SNZ)
Norway (SN)
Poland (PKN)
Romania (ASRO)
Sweden (SIS)
Switzerland (SNV)
United Kingdom (BSI)
USA (ANSI)
Greece (ELOT)
Mexico (DGN)
Spain (AENOR)
Côte-d’Ivoire (CODINORM)

Cyprus (CYS)
Egypt (EOS)
Lebanon (LIBNOR)
Luxembourg (ILNAS)
Pakistan (PSQCA)
South Africa (SABS)
Sri Lanka (SLSI)
Thailand (TISI)
Trinidad and Tobago (TTBS)
Venezuela (FONDONORMA)

Questions:
Q.1 “Do you accept the proposal in the attached NWI Proposal document as a
sufficient definition of the new work item?”
Q.2 “Do you support the addition of the new work item to the programme of work
of the joint technical committee?”
Q.3 “Do you commit yourself to participate in the development of this new work
item?”
Q.4 “Are you able to offer a project editor who will dedicate his/her efforts to the
advancement and maintenance of this project?”
Q.5 “Do you have a major contribution or a reference document ready for
submittal?”
Q.6 “Will you have such a contribution in ninety days?”

Answers to Q.1: “Do you accept the proposal in the attached NWI Proposal
document as a sufficient definition of the new work item?”
18 x Yes Bulgaria (BDS)
Canada (SCC)
China (SAC)
Czech Republic (CNI)
Denmark (DS)
Finland (SFS)
France (AFNOR)
Germany (DIN)
Italy (UNI)
Japan (JISC)
Kenya (KEBS)
Korea, Republic of (KATS)
Netherlands (NEN)
Norway (SN)
Poland (PKN)
Romania (ASRO)
Sweden (SIS)
USA (ANSI)
7 x Abstain Chile (INN)
Colombia (ICONTEC)
India (BIS)
Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST)

Malaysia (DSM)
Malta (MSA)
Switzerland (SNV)
3 x No Brazil (ABNT)
New Zealand (SNZ)
United Kingdom (BSI)

Answers to Q.2: “Do you support the addition of the new work item to the
programme of work of the joint technical committee?”
19 x Yes Bulgaria (BDS)
Canada (SCC)
China (SAC)
Czech Republic (CNI)
Denmark (DS)
Finland (SFS)
France (AFNOR)
Germany (DIN)
Italy (UNI)
Japan (JISC)
Kenya (KEBS)
Korea, Republic of (KATS)
Netherlands (NEN)
New Zealand (SNZ)
Norway (SN)
Poland (PKN)
Romania (ASRO)
Sweden (SIS)
USA (ANSI)
8 x Abstain Chile (INN)
Colombia (ICONTEC)
India (BIS)
Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST)
Malaysia (DSM)
Malta (MSA)
Switzerland (SNV)
United Kingdom (BSI)
1 x No Brazil (ABNT)

Answers to Q.3: “Do you commit yourself to participate in the development of this
new work item?”
13 x No Brazil (ABNT)
Bulgaria (BDS)
China (SAC)
Denmark (DS)
Italy (UNI)
Korea, Republic of (KATS)
Malta (MSA)
Netherlands (NEN)
Norway (SN)
Poland (PKN)

Romania (ASRO)
Sweden (SIS)
Switzerland (SNV)
8 x Yes Canada (SCC)
Czech Republic (CNI)
Finland (SFS)
France (AFNOR)
Germany (DIN)
Japan (JISC)
Kenya (KEBS)
USA (ANSI)
7 x Abstain Chile (INN)
Colombia (ICONTEC)
India (BIS)
Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST)
Malaysia (DSM)
New Zealand (SNZ)
United Kingdom (BSI)

Answers to Q.4: “Are you able to offer a project editor who will dedicate his/her
efforts to the advancement and maintenance of this project?”
19 x No Brazil (ABNT)
Bulgaria (BDS)
Czech Republic (CNI)
Denmark (DS)
Finland (SFS)
France (AFNOR)
Italy (UNI)
Japan (JISC)
Kenya (KEBS)
Korea, Republic of (KATS)
Malta (MSA)
Netherlands (NEN)
Norway (SN)
Poland (PKN)
Romania (ASRO)
Sweden (SIS)
Switzerland (SNV)
United Kingdom (BSI)
USA (ANSI)
6 x Abstain Chile (INN)
Colombia (ICONTEC)
India (BIS)
Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST)
Malaysia (DSM)
New Zealand (SNZ)
3 x Yes Canada (SCC)
China (SAC)
Germany (DIN)

Answers to Q.5: “Do you have a major contribution or a reference document ready
for submittal?”
22 x No Brazil (ABNT)
Bulgaria (BDS)
Canada (SCC)
China (SAC)
Czech Republic (CNI)
Denmark (DS)
Finland (SFS)
France (AFNOR)
Italy (UNI)
Japan (JISC)
Kenya (KEBS)
Korea, Republic of (KATS)
Malta (MSA)
Netherlands (NEN)
New Zealand (SNZ)
Norway (SN)
Poland (PKN)
Romania (ASRO)
Sweden (SIS)
Switzerland (SNV)
United Kingdom (BSI)
USA (ANSI)
5 x Abstain Chile (INN)
Colombia (ICONTEC)
India (BIS)
Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST)
Malaysia (DSM)
1 x Yes Germany (DIN)

Answers to Q.6: “Will you have such a contribution in ninety days?”
19 x No Brazil (ABNT)
Bulgaria (BDS)
Czech Republic (CNI)
Denmark (DS)
Finland (SFS)
Italy (UNI)
Japan (JISC)
Kenya (KEBS)
Korea, Republic of (KATS)
Malta (MSA)
Netherlands (NEN)
New Zealand (SNZ)
Norway (SN)
Poland (PKN)
Romania (ASRO)
Sweden (SIS)
Switzerland (SNV)
United Kingdom (BSI)

USA (ANSI)
7 x Abstain Canada (SCC)
Chile (INN)
Colombia (ICONTEC)
France (AFNOR)
India (BIS)
Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST)
Malaysia (DSM)
2 x Yes China (SAC)
Germany (DIN)

Comments from Voters
Member: Comment: Date:
Brazil (ABNT) Comment 2008-07-29
14:52:46
The local committee considers that, since ISO/IEC 29500 has not been published yet and it is still
on the appeals phase, this is not the adequate time to approve the creation of this working group. If
the official version of ISO/IEC 29500 becomes widely avaiable by ISO, this committee will again
deliberate if it considers this working group worth of creation.
Canada (SCC) Comment 2008-07-14
16:18:57
John Weigelt -johnwei@microsoft.com
China (SAC) Comment 2008-07-16
05:18:20
Fang Chunyan
Germany (DIN) Comment 2008-07-28
07:31:28
Mario Wendt
New Zealand (SNZ) Comment 2008-07-25
06:04:09
ODF will be progressing to v1.2 soon and OOXML will presumably be updated to another version by
the time work on this project starts. There is little point in translating between ODF 1.0 and OOXML
1.0. New Zealand expects that the project team would work on the latest versions available.
Provided as mentioned above, that the work is based on the latest versions of the docs available nd
not restrict the develpment work to Version 1.0 only. New Zealand would like to see plans for
ongoing work and continuing alignment with the developing ODF standard
Switzerland (SNV) Comment File 2008-07-28
14:02:48
CommentFiles/Switzerland(SNV).doc

United Kingdom
(BSI)
Comment 2008-07-16
17:26:13
While in principle we support the general goals of such a project, in the absence of a final text for DIS 29500
it is impossible to determine what the precise scope or programme of work, and especially the timescale,
should be. The draft supplied with the Proposal has many gaps and only serves to highlight the problem of not
having a final text to work with. An accelerated timescale for producing such a Technical Report would seem
unrealistic given the uncertainty as to if and when a final text will be made available.
USA (ANSI) Comment 2008-07-28
21:02:11
TR should be based on both ISO/IEC standards when they become available.

Comments from Commenters
Member: Comment: Date:
Greece (ELOT) Comment 2008-07-29
15:41:05
ELOT answers to Q 1-6
Answer to Q1: Yes
Answer to Q2: Yes
Answer to Q3: No
Answer to Q4: No
Answer to Q5: No
Answer to Q6: No
Mexico (DGN) Comment File 2008-07-24
16:48:29
CommentFiles/Mexico(DGN).doc
Spain (AENOR) Comment 2008-07-29
10:42:35
Spain abstain on the mentioned document.

Template for comments and secretariat observations

Date: 2008-07-28 Document: 34N1035 NWI
1 1 2 (3) 4 5 (6) (7)
MB Clause No./
Subclause
No./
Annex
(e.g. 3.1)
Paragraph/
Figure/Table/
Note
(e.g. Table 1)
Type
of
comment
2
Comment (justification for change) by the MB Proposed change by the MB Secretariat observations
on each comment submitted

CH 1 3rd
paragraph
“graphical
fidelity”
te It is easily overlooked that the preservation of page
breaks, page numbers and line breaks is often of much
greater importance than other aspects of graphical
fidelity, because page numbers and line numbers are
often used in referencing a particular point in a
document, and the ease and reliability of communication
about such references is greatly reduced if page
breaks, page numbers or line breaks can change during
document translation.
Explain at the end of the paragraph that the
preservation of page breaks, page numbers and
line breaks is often of particular importance, in
order to preserve the accuracy and validity of
refernces to points in the document from outside
the document.
CH 2.3.4 te It should be explained that the lastRenderedPageBreak
element of OOXML is not only useful for assistive
technologies (as often falsely claimed), but that it can
also be used to provide a useful tool for the preservation
of page-break information across document format
conversions. (Does ODF have an equivalent feature?)
Provide the info.

1 MB = Member body (enter the ISO 3166 two-letter country code, e.g. CN for China; comments from the ISO/CS editing unit are identified by **
)
2 Type of comment: ge = general te = technical ed = editorial
NOTE Columns 1, 2, 4, 5 are compulsory.

page of 1

ISO electronic balloting commenting template/version 2001-10

VOTE ON NEW WORK ITEM PROPOSAL
Date of circulation
2008-04-06
Reference number of associated New Work Item
Proposal
ISO/TC JTC1 /SC 34 N 1035Closing date for voting
2008-07-29

Circulated to P-members of the committee for vote and to

ISO/TC JTC1 /SC 34

O-members for information, in accordance with 2.3.4 of

Title Document Description and Processing

part 1 of the ISO/IEC Directives.

Languages

P-members of the technical committee or subcommittee
concerned have an obligation to vote.

Secretariat National Body (Mx)
Please send this form, duly completed at all points, to the Secretariat indicated above.

Title of proposal Proposal for New Work Item on OpenDocument Format (ISO/IEC 26300) /
Office Open XML Translation (ISO/IEC 29500).

Evaluation of market relevance of the proposal: (Not applicable to those member bodies who are abstaining.
It is recommended that this evaluation be carried out by a reasonably large number of stakeholders and the average of the
various points given be subsequently reflected on the voting forms.)

low
high

1 2 3 4 5

1.
What is the potential of this project to contribute to international trade and production?
2.
What is the potential of this project to contribute to economic efficiency, health, safety, or the
environment?
3.
How great is the need to harmonize national approaches in this subject area that may serve
as barriers to international trade?
4.
What is the feasibility of achieving consensus on International Standard(s) in this subject
area by the proposed target dates?
5.
What priority should be assigned to the development of International Standard(s) in this
subject area?
(Comments, including proposals for modification of the scope, may be annexed.)
Total points

Do you agree, as the responsible member body, that the requirements in Annex Q of Part 1 of the ISO/IEC Directives on the Justification of
proposals for the establishment of standards have been met by this proposal?

YES

NO

FORM 5 (ISO)

Version 2000.1

1 We agree to the addition of the proposed new work item to the programme of work of the committee:
YES

NO

We abstain/have no interest

2
We are prepared to participate in the development of the project (even if voting against), i.e. to make an effective contribution
at the preparatory stage, at least by commenting on working drafts:

YES*

NO

* Name(s) and address(es) of nominated experts (mandatory)
3 We would agree with direct submission of the draft attached to the new work item proposal as a DIS
YES

NO (Submission as a DIS requires approval by a two-thirds majority of those voting)

4
Standard(s), regulation(s), and other relevant documentation existing in our country, with any remarks concerning their
application if necessary, are attached:

YES

NO
If “yes”, please give references here, or as a separate annex:

An annex is attached to this form

P-member voting Mx
Date July 11th, 2008. Name Mexican committee

FORM 5 (ISO)

Version 2000.1

Share this post: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Reddit
  • co.mments
  • DZone
  • email
  • Google Bookmarks
  • LinkedIn
  • NewsVine
  • Print
  • Technorati
  • TwitThis
  • Facebook

If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

Pages that cross-reference this one

A Single Comment

  1. Needs Sunlight said,

    August 8, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Gravatar

    “National Technology Officer” ? That what the party was calling their ambassadors. Canada and any other nation-states that wish to retain sovereignty need to wake the f- up right quick.

What Else is New


  1. USPTO Rewards Microsoft for Corruption at ISO by Teaching People Proprietary OOXML and Promoting Its Use

    The world's most important patent office promotes Microsoft lock-in, revealing not only corporate bias but also highlighting ways in which Microsoft crimes continue to pay off



  2. No, Startpage is Not Dutch Anymore

    Startpage is still clinging onto perceptions rather than truths; it means that Startpage isn't just betraying privacy but it's also dishonest and untrustworthy



  3. Understanding Thierry Breton: Chirac's Entrepreneurial “Joker”

    Minister in charge of the public treasury was not a career politician but an “entrepreneur” with a proven track-record as a financial wizard and “cost-killer”



  4. Links 16/11/2019: New Debian Release, Wine staging 4.20

    Links for the day



  5. IRC Proceedings: Friday, November 15, 2019

    IRC logs for Friday, November 15, 2019



  6. Microsoft Doesn't Love Linux, It Just Buys Linux

    Microsoft's takeover or abduction of its opposition's voice isn't an act of love but an act of occupation, a hostile colonisation that enables digital pillage and plunder



  7. Koch's Reply to EPO Through ILO and Techrights' Interpretation of Koch v EPO Documents Help Show That ILO-AT is Played by EPO Management

    Sending cases back and forth, without the complainant being involved, means that justice is in eternal ‘limbo’ and thus the abusive management of the European Patent Office (EPO) — first Team Battistelli and now Team Campinos — can get away with anything the bullies do (no judgment of substance being delivered)



  8. EPO Running ILO's Tribunal (ILO-AT) 'in a Loop' to Perpetually Delay and Drain the EPO's Complainants (Aggrieved Staff) Out of Money

    ILO’s Administrative Tribunal — a court for aggrieved EPO staff and other international organisations’ staff (usually known as ILO-AT for short) — is a major farce; when “time is money” and lawyers charge as much as 400 euros an hour the EPO’s management can exploit/misuse its cash reserves to also game justice and buy legal outcomes



  9. ILO is Not Functioning and ILO-AT Helps the Abusive Management of the European Patent Office

    It is becoming increasingly clear, based for example on Koch v EPO, that ILO-AT is where a lot of money will be spent on lawyers and rarely will that result in real justice (but it certainly helps EPO management pretend that staff has safeguards)



  10. Links 16/11/2019: Wine 4.20, Picolibc 1.1

    Links for the day



  11. Understanding Thierry Breton: Moral Responsibility for “a Capitalism That Kills”?

    "...France Télécom which had previously been defined by an ethos of public service, by egalitarian working conditions and by a sense of universal mission, had now been transformed into a "cash machine” whose sole purpose was to generate shareholder value on international financial markets."



  12. FOSSPatents Conference is Against FOSS, Promoting the FOSS-Hostile Construct Known as RAND or FRAND

    Do not be misled by the term Free/Open Source software (FOSS) in the name FOSSPatents and whatever relates to it (e.g. FOSSPatents Conference); it's not about FOSS but against FOSS, or pro-FRAND



  13. Europe is Under Attack

    European politicians or political candidates pretend to be 'candid'; but they're agents of Power, or put another way, they're there to make the rich and powerful class even richer and more powerful by passing new, ruinous laws in the name of 'the people' or 'for SMEs'



  14. Links 15/11/2019: New Opera and Brave, GNU/Linux Flatpa(c)ked

    Links for the day



  15. IRC Proceedings: Thursday, November 14, 2019

    IRC logs for Thursday, November 14, 2019



  16. Understanding Thierry Breton: Toxic Management Goes on Trial in France

    "In each of these cases, the suicide served as a symbolic act of protest to denounce workplace conditions at France Télécom and attract public attention to its practices."



  17. Thierry Breton's Video/Live Grilling is Over, But the Grilling Continues Online

    Elite politicians aren't reluctant to give Thierry Breton the high seat (or throne); but everyone else realises that this resembles a corporate takeover more than anything



  18. The EPO's Low Patent Quality is Not Just Suicidal; It is Illegal

    With help from the besieged Boards of Appeal (BoAs), which complain that they can no longer judge cases (appeals/referrals) autonomously and independently, the Office in Munich continues to grossly violate the EPC and mimic China's ridiculously low patent bar, which even formally permits patents on algorithms



  19. Links 14/11/2019: Mesa 19.2.4 and GCC 7.5 Released

    Links for the day



  20. Microsoft is Not an Open Source Company But Microsoft Bribed and Took Over Many Open Source Authorities (Rivals' Voice Hijacked)

    Free/Open Source software (FOSS) and GNU/Linux are being taken over by Microsoft moles, bought by Microsoft Corporation, and the collective voice of the alternative to Microsoft and Windows is being muzzled (they tell us they "love" us while they're attacking us and sometimes suing us)



  21. Techrights' Interpretation of Koch v EPO: The EPO's Management Still Attacks Staff Representatives

    The EPO hopes to get its victims (of EPO abuse) to not only foot their own bills but also the EPO's



  22. Understanding Thierry Breton: “Mister Cash” Arrives at France Télécom

    The psychological harassment of the France Télécom workforce led the "suicide wave" after Breton had left France Télécom



  23. The Breton-Battistelli Relationship and Breton Hiding His Employment Record at Rothschild & Cie Banque

    EPO scoundrels such as Battistelli are closer to Breton than most people care to realise; Breton is hiding part of his career ahead of today's grilling



  24. A Lot of EPO Staff on Dutch Land Protested (Despite Abusive Threats From Management) and a Strike is Reportedly Next

    EPO management in Rijswijk tried hard to prevent workers from protesting on their free time (lunch break), reaffirming that same old belief that nothing is changing at the EPO and nothing will change without truly disruptive action



  25. IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, November 13, 2019

    IRC logs for Wednesday, November 13, 2019



  26. Links 13/11/2019: Docker Enterprise Bought, WordPress 5.3, Qt 5.12.6 Released

    Links for the day



  27. Rebranding Malware and Spyware as 'Linux' to Dilute the Brand (and the News)

    Signal-to-noise ratio continues to be reduced, as a lot of "Linux" news has nothing to do with GNU/Linux or even with Free software



  28. Understanding Thierry Breton: In the Beginning...

    Career roundup of Thierry Breton, possibly the next EU Commissioner



  29. Startpage Has Been Delisted, But it Ought to be Blacklisted

    Startpage has just warned its fans (I am a former fan) of what Startpage itself covertly became months back



  30. IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, November 12, 2019

    IRC logs for Tuesday, November 12, 2019


RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

Recent Posts