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| DavidGerard | at least the first one | Apr 20 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, it's back now. I found the right table in the 100+MB maze | Apr 20 20:02 |
| DavidGerard | :-) | Apr 20 20:02 |
| DavidGerard | yeah | Apr 20 20:03 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: do you do .htaccess? | Apr 20 20:03 |
| DavidGerard | i saw the css break, saw the story titles break and i knew *exactly* what you were doing | Apr 20 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for helping | Apr 20 20:03 |
| DavidGerard | do i set stuff up with it? not generally | Apr 20 20:03 |
| schestowitz | The thing is this: | Apr 20 20:03 |
| schestowitz | WordPress loop is simple | Apr 20 20:03 |
| DavidGerard | the page on 'nice urls' on mediawiki.org has some info on this | Apr 20 20:03 |
| schestowitz | It gives all URL requests to inde.php (wordpress in home dir) | Apr 20 20:03 |
| DavidGerard | you should probably add to it how not to destroy a wordpress installation on the same url | Apr 20 20:04 |
| schestowitz | So how do I tell wordpress or apache to move "/" elsewhere? | Apr 20 20:04 |
| DavidGerard | oh dear lord, so you have to hack in something to recognise mediawiki | Apr 20 20:04 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: not exactly | Apr 20 20:04 |
| DavidGerard | a good way is with a subdirectory | Apr 20 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's how Apache handles PHP files | Apr 20 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I never understand this | Apr 20 20:05 |
| DavidGerard | hmm, hold on, does that work with wordpress? i was thinking of copperminde | Apr 20 20:05 |
| DavidGerard | well, it should just run them | Apr 20 20:05 |
| DavidGerard | brb, kid is yelling | Apr 20 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Like... it would pass it to MediaWiki if the right URLs are asked for in a dir with .htaccess | Apr 20 20:05 |
| schestowitz | I'll flush cache | Apr 20 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Flushed | Apr 20 20:11 |
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| NeonFloss | hey you all | Apr 20 20:22 |
| NeonFloss | I just noticed something cool | Apr 20 20:22 |
| NeonFloss | phosphorus (FOSS For Us) lol :p | Apr 20 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | Not much useful help in #wordpress | Apr 20 20:39 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Hi, I need help with WordPress redirection. Is it possible for me to instruct wordpress to redirect from the index/root page ("/") to another page? | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <ozmodiar> Add comments_template(); | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <ozmodiar> schestowitz: Yes, Settings -> Reading. | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> I want to make the index be a MediaWiki component in another directory (one that points at WordPress posts). Any help/pointers appreciated. | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> ozmodiar: I see.... | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Let me see if this can be hacked to escape WordPress' main loop | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <ozmodiar> lewb: Youre comments_template is probebly broken. | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <Duesentrieb> schestowitz: can't you just use url rewriting? | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <lewb> it works on an actual post | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <ozmodiar> schestowitz: Else you can use .htaccess. | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Thanks. I'm trying just that | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> I just a dummy page from which to redirect. | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> If this succeed, then I'd be thrilled | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <Duesentrieb> uh, for url rewrites or http redirects, you don't need a dummy. | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <Duesentrieb> it happens before wordpress is ever executed | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <element> .htaccess -> Redirect 301|302 /old-permalink http://destination.com | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> element: thanks | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> here's the problem I have now | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> I created a dummy page | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> I set up a redict that works for it | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Taking me to MediaWiki | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Assigning front page to this dummy page does not latch onto the redir though | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> It sites there on the 'main page' in the address bar | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> It's as though WordPress serves the static page without touching that URL | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Any way around it? | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm installing a plugin now | Apr 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | http://urbangiraffe.com/plugins/... | Apr 20 20:41 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: you're learning that it's best to keep a wp site in like /wp :) | Apr 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe. | Apr 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I set it up this way in my personal blog | Apr 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Ah! | Apr 20 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I think it works now | Apr 20 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Try it | Apr 20 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Main page of BN | Apr 20 20:46 |
| schestowitz | And I have a powerful tool with regexes for WordPress (one level above Apache) | Apr 20 20:46 |
| Balrog | seems to work now :) | Apr 20 20:47 |
| Balrog | now write about the Sun / Oracle thing | Apr 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | yaya | Apr 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: nope | Apr 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | I think not and I'll tell you what | Apr 20 20:48 |
| Balrog | ...? I think it's important ... | Apr 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Unless you have an angel, then you're one in a million that write about something that people developed fatgue for | Apr 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: it is, but many people covered it by now | Apr 20 20:49 |
| Balrog | ok. | Apr 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | If it's not breaking some part of the news, then I'll accumulate some points and see if there's a new angle I know about | Apr 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Like how it related to Novell, Java, Go-oo | Apr 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Same with IBM at the time | Apr 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I hardly mentioned it and it never materialised either | Apr 20 20:49 |
| Balrog | ok. | Apr 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | If I just parroted news of the day, then we'd be Yet Another FOSS Site | Apr 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | People don't need thta | Apr 20 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | element, ozmodiar, and Duesentrieb solved it with me, so I thanked them... it's solved now. Solution: installed this thing: http://urbangiraffe.com/plug... | Apr 20 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Mashup of CMSs is fun | Apr 20 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | OK, final tweaks and here is the new front page of Boycott Novell: http://boycottnovell.com | Apr 20 21:18 |
| zer0c00l | sam ramji blabs again: http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl... | Apr 20 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Get garlic | Apr 20 21:23 |
| schestowitz | It's getting dark for Microsoft: Analyst: More Layoffs Coming To Microsoft: http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/41... | Apr 20 21:23 |
| *DavidGerard is back, v slightly | Apr 20 21:25 | |
| DavidGerard | ahhhh i see what you've done | Apr 20 21:26 |
| DavidGerard | front page is now the wiki | Apr 20 21:26 |
| DavidGerard | that's like the setup we have at work | Apr 20 21:26 |
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| DavidGerard | you have to be very careful with your urls, and preserving old urls is a b*gg*r, but it's lovely when you get it working | Apr 20 21:27 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, front page looks better | Apr 20 21:27 |
| zer0c00l | :) | Apr 20 21:27 |
| DavidGerard | i like the front page having a list of 'links' stories and a list of 'real' stories | Apr 20 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft fires, Google hires: Google Still Hiring Lots of Engineers (And Some Daycare Workers Too) < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-g... > | Apr 20 21:27 |
| DavidGerard | the way i usually read the blog is to right-click the headings for each story then read them in their tab | Apr 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: :-) | Apr 20 21:28 |
| DavidGerard | so seeing an index first is v helpful | Apr 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, and good news... | Apr 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | More layoffs likely coming to Microsoft | Apr 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | There are leaks | Apr 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | And Google is hiring still. | Apr 20 21:28 |
| DavidGerard | more than the 3600 unspecified victims? | Apr 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 20 21:28 |
| schestowitz | I will post in BN quickly | Apr 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Fallen behind | Apr 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | After getting some tears (no really) over messing things up | Apr 20 21:29 |
| DavidGerard | i know that feeling :-) | Apr 20 21:29 |
| DavidGerard | it's bad enough on a work intranet for ten people | Apr 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I'd better knock the Wiki into shape more quickly now that it's visited more | Apr 20 21:29 |
| DavidGerard | let alone a popular news site | Apr 20 21:29 |
| DavidGerard | oh yes | Apr 20 21:29 |
| DavidGerard | you can do some really funky presentational stuff with css and skins on mediawiki too | Apr 20 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know | Apr 20 21:30 |
| DavidGerard | you can make it not look like a wiki at all | Apr 20 21:30 |
| schestowitz | But not yet | Apr 20 21:30 |
| DavidGerard | yep! keep it incremental! | Apr 20 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Nod | Apr 20 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I lost track of some things I planned to do | Apr 20 21:30 |
| schestowitz | 6-9 i burned time on the wiki | Apr 20 21:30 |
| schestowitz | It's like an addiction | Apr 20 21:30 |
| DavidGerard | preserving urls is excellent | Apr 20 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I said, only 15 minutes | Apr 20 21:30 |
| DavidGerard | :-D | Apr 20 21:30 |
| schestowitz | And then you go on and on | Apr 20 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | you have a new COOL THING to HACK ON! | Apr 20 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | yeah | Apr 20 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | mediawiki-l is a helpful list | Apr 20 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | brb. phone | Apr 20 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | back | Apr 20 21:33 |
| DavidGerard | (i'm at home on call) | Apr 20 21:33 |
| schestowitz | So anyway, things are working well this week | Apr 20 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu 9.04 out | Apr 20 21:34 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft to report major slump the same day(ish) | Apr 20 21:34 |
| schestowitz | And maybe announce more closures/layoffs | Apr 20 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Why the obsession over Microsoft? No other company hates FOSS and Linux so much. | Apr 20 21:35 |
| DavidGerard | indeed | Apr 20 21:35 |
| DavidGerard | and so many tentacles do actually trace right back to them, really obviously | Apr 20 21:36 |
| *DavidGerard has created an account on the wiki | Apr 20 21:36 | |
| DavidGerard | suggested extension: CheckUser | Apr 20 21:36 |
| DavidGerard | it allows you to check what IP a vandal is coming in from without having to do handcrafted SELECT * on the recentchanges table | Apr 20 21:36 |
| schestowitz | SCO | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | maybe SUN too | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | PJ brought it up again | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | The "Sun being offered something to sue Linux" | Apr 20 21:37 |
| DavidGerard | yeah | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Probably MS | Apr 20 21:37 |
| DavidGerard | Sun was not much of a friend of OSS at the time | Apr 20 21:37 |
| DavidGerard | ie. mcnealy wasn't a fan | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it when Jonathan Ponytail blogged it | Apr 20 21:37 |
| DavidGerard | yep | Apr 20 21:37 |
| DavidGerard | he's a fan of OSS | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | I hear that Jonathan Ponytail has a new job as Ellison's baber | Apr 20 21:37 |
| schestowitz | *barber | Apr 20 21:37 |
| DavidGerard | otoh, OSS was basically Sun's "Hail Mary" pass to try not to go broke | Apr 20 21:38 |
| schestowitz | He'll keep the bog alias "ponytail" | Apr 20 21:38 |
| DavidGerard | oracle really couldn't give a hoot about OSS except insofar as it involves commodifying every other part of the cost of a database ssytem | Apr 20 21:39 |
| DavidGerard | i am not sanguine about Oracle giving a hoot about the OSS that Sun was custodian of. They're proprietary through and through their insanely expensive little hearts | Apr 20 21:39 |
| DavidGerard | the only plus point i can think of is that ellison and gates f*cking hate each other ;-D | Apr 20 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Oh Oracle | Apr 20 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Pardon me being slow | Apr 20 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It has been a good day, but Oracle is a mixed bad | Apr 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Would IBM have been better? | Apr 20 21:45 |
| DavidGerard | yes | Apr 20 21:45 |
| DavidGerard | at least ibm are slightly in the business of open source | Apr 20 21:45 |
| DavidGerard | and very slightly in the business of free software | Apr 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Apr 20 21:45 |
| DavidGerard | oracle have sleepycat | Apr 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I can think of a funny post to do | Apr 20 21:45 |
| DavidGerard | and don't care | Apr 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Give me a couple of minutes | Apr 20 21:45 |
| DavidGerard | and innodb, and don't care | Apr 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I'll remark in one word | Apr 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Using the video | Apr 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Hold onb. | Apr 20 21:46 |
| DavidGerard | my personal interest is that i've been a solaris admin for 8 years and i'd rather not have my cv go up in smoke ;-) | Apr 20 21:46 |
| DavidGerard | heck, i might have to learn this 'leengux' that all the kids are into | Apr 20 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Damn. I thought I had it as ogg | Apr 20 21:47 |
| schestowitz | I never made one... | Apr 20 21:47 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | Apr 20 21:52 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 20 21:52 |
| schestowitz | hehe. | Apr 20 21:52 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: was the same for me in a sense | Apr 20 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I did my degrees in the Old (Victoria) Univ. of Manc. | Apr 20 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Then they merged with UMIST which is inferior | Apr 20 21:52 |
| schestowitz | So the names of the new university is... you've guessed it | Apr 20 21:52 |
| trmanco | Digg Ends Exclusive Ad Deal with Microsoft: http://www.clickz.com/3633453 | Apr 20 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Basically, the reputation of my degrees may decline although it says nothing about the university I was REALLY in (before the merger) | Apr 20 21:53 |
| schestowitz | RAE 5* | Apr 20 21:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, got that | Apr 20 21:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I already feel like Digg is less hostile towards us | Apr 20 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Also: | Apr 20 21:55 |
| schestowitz | This may lead to speculations about Google and Digg | Apr 20 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Google was gonna buy Digg last year | Apr 20 21:56 |
| schestowitz | MS advertising was like a pawn in there | Apr 20 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Making it a poison pill and acuisition unattrative | Apr 20 21:56 |
| schestowitz | MS put a stake in Facebook (and overpaid) for the same reason | Apr 20 21:56 |
| schestowitz | They block Google takeover | Apr 20 21:56 |
| trmanco | scary | Apr 20 21:57 |
| balzac | soon there'll be one big application | Apr 20 21:57 |
| balzac | and little pockets of AGPL licensed applications | Apr 20 21:58 |
| balzac | the mega webservices and applications are getting almost everyone | Apr 20 21:58 |
| DavidGerard | yeah | Apr 20 21:58 |
| balzac | you can't get your fair share of traffic if you don't partake | Apr 20 21:58 |
| DavidGerard | well, AGPL is enough of a licence to be copyleft | Apr 20 21:59 |
| DavidGerard | free software is science rather than alchemy, so it wins *eventually* | Apr 20 21:59 |
| DavidGerard | it'd just be good if it was sooner rather than later | Apr 20 21:59 |
| *DavidGerard is watching the ellison video | Apr 20 21:59 | |
| balzac | people should go back to saying "search" rather than "google" as a verb | Apr 20 22:00 |
| DavidGerard | i see he's politely not adding "and gates is an asshole and I hate the bastard" | Apr 20 22:00 |
| balzac | larry ellison is a douche | Apr 20 22:00 |
| DavidGerard | balzac: theoretically. however, they pretty much always mean "google." | Apr 20 22:00 |
| DavidGerard | google's monopoly on search is cos they're REALLY GOOD | Apr 20 22:00 |
| balzac | i can't help but like Bill Gates more than him, with his 400' yacht | Apr 20 22:00 |
| DavidGerard | the kids don't understand that these days | Apr 20 22:00 |
| DavidGerard | i remember what search was like in 1997, 98 | Apr 20 22:00 |
| DavidGerard | oh my god | Apr 20 22:00 |
| DavidGerard | google was the first. search engine. that didn't. SUCK. | Apr 20 22:01 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: Wikipedia uses some Sun, right? | Apr 20 22:01 |
| DavidGerard | it's hard to get across how remarkable this was | Apr 20 22:01 |
| schestowitz | There was a recent announcemnt. | Apr 20 22:01 |
| balzac | DavidGerard: there's that, and there's the fact that people don't evaluate the cost of putting all their attention through one corporate entity | Apr 20 22:01 |
| DavidGerard | that's why they never advertised | Apr 20 22:01 |
| DavidGerard | yeah | Apr 20 22:01 |
| DavidGerard | but y'know, people wouldn't use google if they weren't really good | Apr 20 22:01 |
| DavidGerard | even ms employees use google rather than live search | Apr 20 22:01 |
| balzac | well, the only way to push back is to "exploit" their web services | Apr 20 22:02 |
| DavidGerard | yeah, we use lotsa sun boxes | Apr 20 22:02 |
| DavidGerard | dell and sun | Apr 20 22:02 |
| DavidGerard | the wmf servers are x86 ubuntu server | Apr 20 22:02 |
| balzac | to make Google's data available as a white-label service by violating their TOS | Apr 20 22:02 |
| balzac | once again, it comes down to civil disobedience | Apr 20 22:02 |
| DavidGerard | there are some wikimedia.de/toolserver.org servers that are solaris, i think | Apr 20 22:03 |
| DavidGerard | i might be out of date on that | Apr 20 22:03 |
| DavidGerard | we have some x86 sun boxes at WMF | Apr 20 22:03 |
| DavidGerard | at my workplace (which isn't WMF) we ahve sun and dell | Apr 20 22:03 |
| DavidGerard | the suns are mostly solaris 10 with some linux | Apr 20 22:03 |
| DavidGerard | the dells are mostly rhel/centos with one or two solaris :-) | Apr 20 22:04 |
| DavidGerard | mostly x86, some old sparc boxes we want to get rid of | Apr 20 22:04 |
| balzac | I was put off by Google's refusal to host an AGPL-licensed applications | Apr 20 22:04 |
| DavidGerard | some ancient x86 Fedora Core 3 boxes we desperately want to get rid of | Apr 20 22:04 |
| DavidGerard | balzac: yeah. that's ... rather telling. | Apr 20 22:04 |
| DavidGerard | basically, the AGPL is to Google what the GPL is to Microsoft. | Apr 20 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Linux is up and Microsoft keeps collapsing: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... | Apr 20 22:04 |
| DavidGerard | web services apps need to be AGPL. | Apr 20 22:05 |
| DavidGerard | GPL is BSD when it's the service. | Apr 20 22:05 |
| balzac | In principle, it was the same as Microsoft's ideological opposition to the copyleft | Apr 20 22:05 |
| balzac | DavidGerard: yep, I said the same as soon as Chris DiBona announced that decision | Apr 20 22:05 |
| DavidGerard | it's the one thing that could compete with them in a non-proprietisable way] | Apr 20 22:05 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: thanks for the info re: Wikipedia | Apr 20 22:06 |
| balzac | I'll start liking Google again if they make *substantial* donations of cash to the FSF and GNU | Apr 20 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I get allocated to the Ditch mirror here | Apr 20 22:06 |
| schestowitz | *Dutch | Apr 20 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe it's where the host is registered | Apr 20 22:07 |
| DavidGerard | yeah, europe is served from the amsterdam proxies | Apr 20 22:07 |
| DavidGerard | the databases all live in florida | Apr 20 22:07 |
| DavidGerard | there's a squid farm in amsterdam | Apr 20 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Florida needs lots of AC for DCs | Apr 20 22:07 |
| DavidGerard | there used to be one in south korea, sponsored by yahoo, but that's being decommissioned (i don't know why) | Apr 20 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Also, pray for no rising water level | Apr 20 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Some of my relatives live in Miami Beach. It's totally flat | Apr 20 22:08 |
| DavidGerard | the servers are in tampa | Apr 20 22:08 |
| balzac | if not, I'll see them as a very big corporate blob, currently benevolent by virtue of their indifference to freedom, soon to become malevolent as time catches up with them | Apr 20 22:08 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: where is Wales from? | Apr 20 22:08 |
| balzac | Roy, that's a pull-quote for your website | Apr 20 22:08 |
| DavidGerard | (the foundation is registered in st petersburg and now runs from san francisco) | Apr 20 22:08 |
| trmanco | "Tomboy is not going away, and it will continue to be developed on the extremely productive Mono/GTK# language platform. Anyone thinking about distributing Gnote should consider the impact on users and their data. When we develop, we should always be asking ourselves, "is this adding value for our users?"" | Apr 20 22:08 |
| *schestowitz too lazy to check | Apr 20 22:08 | |
| DavidGerard | wales is from alabama originally | Apr 20 22:08 |
| trmanco | productive mono/gtk#? fail | Apr 20 22:08 |
| DavidGerard | moved to florida at some stage, set up bomis, set up nupedia | Apr 20 22:08 |
| schestowitz | balzac: added to quote file | Apr 20 22:08 |
| balzac | ;) | Apr 20 22:09 |
| DavidGerard | wow, that's complete proprietary fud | Apr 20 22:09 |
| schestowitz | "I'll see Google as a very big corporate blob, currently benevolent by virtue of their indifference to freedom, soon to become malevolent as time catches up with them" --Paul Gaskin | Apr 20 22:09 |
| DavidGerard | one of the first things people do with open source apps is file format converters | Apr 20 22:09 |
| MinceR | time has caught up with them long ago | Apr 20 22:09 |
| trmanco | http://automorphic.blogspot.com/2009/04... | Apr 20 22:09 |
| DavidGerard | google's advantage right now is that their products don't suck | Apr 20 22:09 |
| trmanco | scroll down to the gnote part | Apr 20 22:10 |
| DavidGerard | in fact their good stuff is fantastic | Apr 20 22:10 |
| schestowitz | "Some people have started asking about Gnote, Hubert Figuiere's line-for-line port of Tomboy to C++. Our stance on Gnote is that it is counterproductive to maintain identical software in two languages. It will be harmful to the community, especially as these two apps inevitably diverge. It will result in duplication of effort, duplication of bugs, and a lot of wasted time for those who are trying to add value to the user experience | Apr 20 22:10 |
| schestowitz | ." | Apr 20 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Mono devs worry | Apr 20 22:10 |
| schestowitz | What? Me worry? | Apr 20 22:10 |
| schestowitz | The fight against the fork... | Apr 20 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Well, if they didn't use MS SW, that would not have happened, I guess. | Apr 20 22:11 |
| balzac | DavidGerard: if Google doesn't maintain their reputation of having an interest in freedom, their programmers will lose moral and their web-services will begin to fail our expectations. | Apr 20 22:11 |
| balzac | Google must pay attention to the GNU-Father's vision because RMS has his eyes on the horizon, while Google is increasingly looking at their quarterly profits for share holders. | Apr 20 22:12 |
| MinceR | it was such a great idea to replace xorg.conf with .fdi files | Apr 20 22:12 |
| MinceR | it worked too well, something had to be done about it! | Apr 20 22:12 |
| balzac | Google has too much momentum to fail quickly and terribly. They could make an adjustment to their corporate culture and recover from their current trend. | Apr 20 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Google will be hard to dethrone in search | Apr 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | it's dangerous because of dpeendency | Apr 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Also ownership and control of data | Apr 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Location wise, not just format | Apr 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Privacy | Apr 20 22:14 |
| DavidGerard | you're not locked into gmail, you can imap your data out daily | Apr 20 22:14 |
| DavidGerard | yeah. it's the click trail. | Apr 20 22:14 |
| *DavidGerard has left a polite note on the tomboy blog asking "did you really mean what you just said?" | Apr 20 22:14 | |
| schestowitz | But let's finish off Microsoft so that we can use Linux peacefully and move colleagues to it also | Apr 20 22:14 |
| Balrog | with yahoo mail, you can't use pop or imap without paying :( | Apr 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Then the cloud will be worth worrying about more | Apr 20 22:14 |
| balzac | http://www.buzzfeed.com/akdobbins/... | Apr 20 22:14 |
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| DavidGerard | the area google really needs competition is ad networks | Apr 20 22:18 |
| DavidGerard | ms are fools to be pursuing search so hard | Apr 20 22:18 |
| mib_vsozp6 | Orc via a webpage via my phone. Amazing. | Apr 20 22:18 |
| DavidGerard | they need to make an ad network that sucks less than google's | Apr 20 22:19 |
| DavidGerard | then advertisers and publishers will flock to it | Apr 20 22:19 |
| schestowitz | When Pixels Find New Life on Real Paper < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/2... > | Apr 20 22:19 |
| balzac | Microsoft is a ship of fools because of their ideological opposition to computer users' freedom | Apr 20 22:19 |
| mib_vsozp6 | Irc :) | Apr 20 22:19 |
| schestowitz | mib_vsozp6: on phone? | Apr 20 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Welcome | Apr 20 22:19 |
| balzac | Google is a ship of fools to the extent that they're ideologically indifferent to computer users' freedom | Apr 20 22:19 |
| mib_vsozp6 | Keyboard is a wee bit small | Apr 20 22:19 |
| schestowitz | What gadget is it? | Apr 20 22:20 |
| mib_vsozp6 | Sitting here bored in a bookstore waiting for new tires to be installed on the car. | Apr 20 22:21 |
| mib_vsozp6 | Iphone | Apr 20 22:21 |
| DavidGerard | heh | Apr 20 22:21 |
| DavidGerard | we just got a nokia 5800 | Apr 20 22:21 |
| DavidGerard | it's got all the features of an iphone, except the feature of an interface that isn't made entirely of FAIL | Apr 20 22:21 |
| DavidGerard | oh, and it only takes nokia headphones | Apr 20 22:22 |
| balzac | check this out | Apr 20 22:22 |
| mib_vsozp6 | Would love to be using the openmoko but is not there yet | Apr 20 22:22 |
| DavidGerard | that nyt story hit the nail on the head: books as vinyl records | Apr 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I've just removed the <h3>Sun</h3> bits from my links template for BN | Apr 20 22:22 |
| balzac | certain club owners in moscow have stayed on top of "the scene" | Apr 20 22:22 |
| DavidGerard | mib_vsozp6: and you can't even get hold of one | Apr 20 22:22 |
| balzac | how they do it is that they close down a club while it's still popular, and they've got a new one ready | Apr 20 22:23 |
| mib_vsozp6 | I own one | Apr 20 22:23 |
| balzac | they don't wait until a club gets old | Apr 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard must be sulking | Apr 20 22:23 |
| balzac | or someone else will build the next cool club | Apr 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Sun is like Compaq | Apr 20 22:23 |
| mib_vsozp6 | Neo freerunner | Apr 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | A giant that used to be as a brand. Sorry, DavidGerard | Apr 20 22:23 |
| balzac | My analogy is that Google ought to recognize the value of tearing down their old club before people get bored of it. | Apr 20 22:23 |
| mib_vsozp6 | I just hope they gol zfs | Apr 20 22:24 |
| balzac | so they ought to accept that the AGPL could hurt their current business model a bit, but they'll be needing it some day | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | balzac: but people /need/ Google | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | They take search for granted | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | No more altavista with garbage | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | mib_vsozp6: likely so | Apr 20 22:24 |
| balzac | Google seems to take a lot for granted | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | mib_vsozp6: Oracle develops btrfs also | Apr 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | balzac: cause it DoesNoEvil | Apr 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | It's like the PromotingDemocracy | Apr 20 22:25 |
| balzac | but brand loyalty to the old GNU is much stronger, albeit far less recognized by computer newbies | Apr 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | If you criticise a country for PromotingDemocracy (invading/exploiting) they call you something. | Apr 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | With Google, it's hard not to like it. | Apr 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | So they say | Apr 20 22:26 |
| balzac | any company which is listed on the NYSE is beholden to the group-foolery of share-holders | Apr 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "What?!?!? You don't LIKE Firefox?" | Apr 20 22:26 |
| balzac | Google should buy back some shares and not allow their company to pander to quarterly profits at the expense of their dignity as a "open source" brand | Apr 20 22:26 |
| balzac | however much that is worth | Apr 20 22:26 |
| mib_vsozp6 | The shareholder thing is a proble | Apr 20 22:27 |
| balzac | GNU Power! | Apr 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Search engines gobble up 1.5 GB of pages per day in BN | Apr 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | That's a lot compared to my other sites. | Apr 20 22:27 |
| mib_vsozp6 | M but the only way to raise major funding | Apr 20 22:27 |
| balzac | You cannot imagine the "Powah" of GNU software | Apr 20 22:28 |
| balzac | Open Sourcers will bow to the hairy-side of the force | Apr 20 22:28 |
| balzac | Hugo Chavez is with us | Apr 20 22:29 |
| mib_vsozp6 | Bill, I am your father. - RMS Noooo - billy | Apr 20 22:29 |
| balzac | Maybe he'll straighten out President Obama on software | Apr 20 22:29 |
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| mib_vsozp6 | Hugo is a dick | Apr 20 22:30 |
| balzac | He said Obama was a "poor ignoramus" | Apr 20 22:30 |
| balzac | then he gave President Obama a book to read | Apr 20 22:30 |
| mib_vsozp6 | I have been there and seen his work. | Apr 20 22:30 |
| balzac | who else has that kind of clout? | Apr 20 22:30 |
| balzac | I selected Hugo Chavez as my president during the "interregnum" of Bush's illegitimate years of treason | Apr 20 22:31 |
| balzac | I'm not sweating the small stuff | Apr 20 22:31 |
| balzac | he had the guts to call Bush out when no one else except Kucinich was doing that | Apr 20 22:32 |
| mib_vsozp6 | You cannot have software freedom before traditional political freedom. | Apr 20 22:32 |
| balzac | I like Barack Obama now, but I was skeptical | Apr 20 22:32 |
| balzac | mib_vsozp6: you cannot have some idealistic kind of candy-land freedom with Bush's CIA trying to topple you in a coup | Apr 20 22:33 |
| balzac | let's see how Venezuela goes now | Apr 20 22:33 |
| balzac | Chavez could definitely use my consulting regarding issues of diplomatic nuance and economic policy | Apr 20 22:34 |
| balzac | but he's a good guy, one of few leaders who has the guts to fight when necessary and to not mince words | Apr 20 22:34 |
| mib_vsozp6 | Tell that to the people he is disappearing. I know a family who has lost someone. The us or I'm are candyland in comparison. | Apr 20 22:35 |
| DavidGerard | don't worry | Apr 20 22:35 |
| balzac | mib_vsozp6: citations needed, or else you're like the guys who accused Bill Clinton of murder. | Apr 20 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Canonical Announces Availability of Ubuntu 9.04 Server Edition http://www.emediawire.com/rel... | Apr 20 22:36 |
| DavidGerard | i'm sure it will be at least another year before chavez builds a gold statue of himself in the city square of caracas taht turns to follow the sun | Apr 20 22:36 |
| DavidGerard | and another year after that before he names the days of the week and months of the year after himself and his mother | Apr 20 22:36 |
| balzac | mib_vsozp6: good luck convincing me without proof. I never believed the things published by the American corporate media about Moqtada al Sadr, much less Hugo Chavez. | Apr 20 22:37 |
| mib_vsozp6 | Go to Venezuela as I have | Apr 20 22:38 |
| balzac | The same corporate media honchos who pay the salaries of the racist pundits who compare President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder to monkeys were cupping Bush's scrotum only a short time ago. | Apr 20 22:38 |
| balzac | mib_vsozp6: I will, and I expect to be greeted very nicely | Apr 20 22:39 |
| balzac | But it's not my priority | Apr 20 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Linux beats BSD on performance: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php... | Apr 20 22:39 |
| balzac | mib_vsozp6: just out of curiosity, what's your cultural background? | Apr 20 22:40 |
| DavidGerard | hah, one of the tests is to solve connect-4 repeatedly :-D | Apr 20 22:42 |
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| trmanco | grr, the news today is all about Oracle and Sun, getting sick of it | Apr 20 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. Watch this second message: http://techdirt.com/articles/20... | Apr 20 22:48 |
| balzac | mib_vsozp6 had nothing to say to back up his Chavez accusations | Apr 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: see, that's why I don't write about it | Apr 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Balrog asked. | Apr 20 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Peoplw write and write and write about it as though it's a scoop but people are just fed up | Apr 20 22:49 |
| schestowitz | balzac: could be hearsay | Apr 20 22:49 |
| trmanco | iy's really frustrating to see the same'ol title over and over again, some feeds have the keyword "oracle" and "title" more then 5 times | Apr 20 22:49 |
| trmanco | it's* | Apr 20 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Whisper campaigns, like the ones against other leaders | Apr 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: which feeds? | Apr 20 22:50 |
| trmanco | IIRC, compuerworld | Apr 20 22:50 |
| trmanco | computerworld* | Apr 20 22:50 |
| DavidGerard | that's because the tech press has nothing to write about | Apr 20 22:51 |
| DavidGerard | so when an actual event happens, they go hogwild | Apr 20 22:51 |
| DavidGerard | the rest of the time they reprint ms press releases | Apr 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Wow. Whao. http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/o... (don't click, it's yet another one) | Apr 20 22:52 |
| DavidGerard | they're incredibly grateful when actual news occurs, because then they can pretend to be proper journalists and meaningful analysts rather than cheap whores | Apr 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: CW is IDG | Apr 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Wintel garbage | Apr 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't read them anymore | Apr 20 22:52 |
| trmanco | :| | Apr 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm running out of sources | Apr 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | The INQ and Reg suck too | Apr 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Their founder left and MS lackeys took over partially | Apr 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* "hogwild" | Apr 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | "caostheory Did I pick the best week to have a few days off, or what? CAOS Theory will round up the Oracle speculation, and more, later this week." | Apr 20 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Oh noes. | Apr 20 22:54 |
| trmanco | http://www.dwheeler.com/blog/20... | Apr 20 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Not another one analysing the thing | Apr 20 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Save it for laterz, CAON Theory; the world will carry on corvering this without the supermen of 451 Group | Apr 20 22:54 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: judging by the "id" I though MS was giving it away to Wikipedia | Apr 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia could toss Encarta in the "Talk" page | Apr 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | You know, as an appendage (aka "CRAP") | Apr 20 22:55 |
| trmanco | it's dying | Apr 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Not Wikipedia | Apr 20 22:56 |
| trmanco | yet another service dying | Apr 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Encarta is dead | Apr 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | MS is dying | Apr 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | More layoffs coming | Apr 20 22:56 |
| trmanco | I'm was referring to encarta | Apr 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Digg jumps off their ship too, so they lack case studies | Apr 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Instead of case studies they now have failure 'study' cases | Apr 20 22:56 |
| trmanco | funny | Apr 20 22:56 |
| trmanco | grr, even groklaw had something to say about todays deal | Apr 20 22:57 |
| schestowitz | They wasted money on Digg to make a FAIL story | Apr 20 22:57 |
| schestowitz | At least it lasted when their pseudo-journos covered the Digg deal excessively | Apr 20 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Digg is dying too | Apr 20 22:57 |
| schestowitz | It's still big, but it's shrinking | Apr 20 22:57 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: at least GL was unique about it. | Apr 20 22:57 |
| schestowitz | It brought back... very old news. | Apr 20 22:58 |
| trmanco | yeah, it was different but still | Apr 20 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Can mibbit be set to auto-login? | Apr 20 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I wonder... | Apr 20 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Cause we could add real-time widget to BN this way | Apr 20 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Autoconnect | Apr 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | How do I log out in IRC | Apr 20 23:01 |
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| trmanco | wow | Apr 20 23:13 |
| DavidGerard | What sort of 'real time' do you want? | Apr 20 23:13 |
| schestowitz | What do you mean by real time? | Apr 20 23:14 |
| DavidGerard | there are mediawiki extensions that display the contents of an rss feed in a widget-like thing | Apr 20 23:14 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, think of a mode of communicating fast | Apr 20 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | DavidGerard: yes, that might be useful | Apr 20 23:14 |
| schestowitz | But.... we already have fsdaily | Apr 20 23:14 |
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| DavidGerard | (there are mediawiki extensions for *everything*. some of them are even useful and work.) | Apr 20 23:14 |
| schestowitz | So there are cheaper ways to achieve this | Apr 20 23:15 |
| DavidGerard | yeah | Apr 20 23:15 |
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| DavidGerard | mediawiki.org is like a great big candy store | Apr 20 23:15 |
| DavidGerard | and if you eat too much of what's there you'll be sick | Apr 20 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Same with WordPress | Apr 20 23:15 |
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| DavidGerard | yes, exactly! | Apr 20 23:16 |
| DavidGerard | exactly like wordpress | Apr 20 23:16 |
| schestowitz | We used to have very few extensions | Apr 20 23:17 |
| DavidGerard | if you run extensions that are used by lots of people you'll be safest | Apr 20 23:17 |
| DavidGerard | particularly ones used on wikimedia | Apr 20 23:17 |
| schestowitz | These are upgrade nighmares | Apr 20 23:17 |
| schestowitz | *nightmare | Apr 20 23:17 |
| DavidGerard | they are indeed | Apr 20 23:17 |
| schestowitz | IDG: "OpenSolaris, Linux could merge under Oracle" | Apr 20 23:18 |
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| DavidGerard | linux and solaris are unmergeable | Apr 20 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Signs of demand for FOSS skills: Misys is looking for a Sr. Software Engineer - OS of course < http://linuxmednews.com/1239801762 > | Apr 20 23:19 |
| DavidGerard | it's like news sites that proclaim how android equals linux therefore belongs on netbooks | Apr 20 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | DavidGerard: yes, I know. | Apr 20 23:19 |
| DavidGerard | whereas android is almost nothing like gnu/linux as anyone knows it | Apr 20 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I like strawberries | Apr 20 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I also like steak | Apr 20 23:19 |
| DavidGerard | i administer both for a living. they are utterly different ;-) | Apr 20 23:19 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Apr 20 23:19 |
| DavidGerard | heh | Apr 20 23:19 |
| schestowitz | You know where it's going. | Apr 20 23:19 |
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| DavidGerard | mind you | Apr 20 23:20 |
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| DavidGerard | the solaris 10 command line is actually not as horrible as it used to be | Apr 20 23:20 |
| MinceR | is it more or less horrible now? :> | Apr 20 23:20 |
| DavidGerard | bash is now a first-class shell rather than a barely-tolerated add-on | Apr 20 23:20 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: is it more like Linux yet? | Apr 20 23:20 |
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| DavidGerard | it's a bit more gnu-ish. | Apr 20 23:20 |
| DavidGerard | i really don't want the kernel to get like linux. | Apr 20 23:20 |
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| DavidGerard | i hate administering linux. | Apr 20 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Ga-NOO | Apr 20 23:21 |
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| DavidGerard | gnu is fine. linux is awful. | Apr 20 23:21 |
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| DavidGerard | anyone who thinks linux is a wonderful unix to administer has never used any other unix. | Apr 20 23:21 |
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| MinceR | i have | Apr 20 23:21 |
| DavidGerard | plus points: 1. it works. 2. it runs more pc hardware than anything. | Apr 20 23:21 |
| MinceR | i've tried to administer freebsd | Apr 20 23:21 |
| MinceR | i don't miss it at all, and that's an understatement | Apr 20 23:22 |
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| DavidGerard | o rly? | Apr 20 23:22 |
| MinceR | someone is having fun with mibbit, i see | Apr 20 23:22 |
| MinceR | ya rly | Apr 20 23:22 |
| DavidGerard | then you must be cosmically wrong cos that's my good example ;-p | Apr 20 23:22 |
| MinceR | no, that makes you cosmically wrong | Apr 20 23:22 |
| DavidGerard | i saw /etc/rc.conf and went "wow, it's like the pain in my forehead went away" | Apr 20 23:22 |
| MinceR | it makes both your example wrong and your theory wrong | Apr 20 23:22 |
| DavidGerard | it is true that i am cosmically wrong in many ways | Apr 20 23:22 |
| DavidGerard | probably this one too | Apr 20 23:22 |
| DavidGerard | but i LIKE adminning freebsd | Apr 20 23:23 |
| MinceR | and then you saw the stuff replicated under /usr/local and the pain came back? | Apr 20 23:23 |
| DavidGerard | there is that ;-p | Apr 20 23:23 |
| DavidGerard | solaris has twenty years of layers of backward compatiblitiy | Apr 20 23:23 |
| DavidGerard | which is difficult sometimes | Apr 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Dell is ashamed of its Ubuntu-powered laptops | Apr 20 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Apr 20, 2009, 16 :02 UTC (1 Talkback[s]) (2334 reads) < http://gustavonarea.net/blog/posts... > | Apr 20 23:23 |
| DavidGerard | but once you know your way through it it doesn't actively get in your face the way the backward compatibility does with windows | Apr 20 23:23 |
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| DavidGerard | because they started with unix | Apr 20 23:24 |
| MinceR | dell should be ashamed of its hw quality instead | Apr 20 23:24 |
| MinceR | and their support | Apr 20 23:24 |
| DavidGerard | i stopped using freebsd because (1) the ports system is horrible (2) not as good hardware compat | Apr 20 23:24 |
| _boo_ | dell should be ashamed that they sell windows with laptops | Apr 20 23:24 |
| DavidGerard | their server support is pretty good | Apr 20 23:24 |
| MinceR | that's great | Apr 20 23:24 |
| MinceR | i have a laptop though | Apr 20 23:24 |
| DavidGerard | their desktops and laptops ... ah. | Apr 20 23:24 |
| DavidGerard | i remember my old work laptop | Apr 20 23:24 |
| DavidGerard | a latitude d610 | Apr 20 23:25 |
| MinceR | when the gpu fried itself, it didn't merely take a month to get a replacement | Apr 20 23:25 |
| DavidGerard | literally EVERY PART OF IT was replaced. except the LCD and the memory. | Apr 20 23:25 |
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| DavidGerard | every other part. | Apr 20 23:25 |
| DavidGerard | some twice. | Apr 20 23:25 |
| MinceR | also, along the way they never had any idea when it's going to appear | Apr 20 23:25 |
| MinceR | maybe next week, maybe never | Apr 20 23:25 |
| MinceR | and they had no shame about it | Apr 20 23:25 |
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| DavidGerard | when getting a dell, make sure you have a corporate IT department behind you | Apr 20 23:25 |
| DavidGerard | who can give you a replacement while you wait for dell | Apr 20 23:25 |
| DavidGerard | hp are a lot better for desktop support | Apr 20 23:26 |
| MinceR | i have a better idea | Apr 20 23:26 |
| MinceR | when getting a dell, make sure you don't get a dell | Apr 20 23:26 |
| DavidGerard | thank goodness they killed the HP pcs and sold compaqs | Apr 20 23:26 |
| MinceR | that fixes the other problems too | Apr 20 23:26 |
| DavidGerard | i like that idea | Apr 20 23:26 |
| DavidGerard | that said | Apr 20 23:26 |
| DavidGerard | i still want a mini 9 | Apr 20 23:26 |
| DavidGerard | COS THEY'RE CUTE | Apr 20 23:26 |
| MinceR | i want a thinkpad | Apr 20 23:26 |
| MinceR | sadly, the kind of thinkpad i want doesn't exist | Apr 20 23:26 |
| DavidGerard | i want a netbook, and i like the mini 9 | Apr 20 23:26 |
| DavidGerard | actually, the form factor i want is the vaio not-a-netbook | Apr 20 23:27 |
| MinceR | there are the ones with wimpy GPUs and there are the w700-s which are barely even portable | Apr 20 23:27 |
| DavidGerard | 1600x768 screen on a large keyboard | Apr 20 23:27 |
| MinceR | and i can't really justify spending that much on a laptop anyway | Apr 20 23:27 |
| DavidGerard | so, wide screen about the size of a kbd | Apr 20 23:27 |
| _boo_ | and i want very small laptop with 19" 4:3 screen | Apr 20 23:27 |
| DavidGerard | i want a netbook in that shape | Apr 20 23:27 |
| MinceR | _boo_: lol | Apr 20 23:27 |
| MinceR | also, i'm waiting for touchscreen Eee PC-s | Apr 20 23:27 |
| DavidGerard | i saw that thinkpad with the second screen hanging off the side | Apr 20 23:27 |
| DavidGerard | I just went o_0 | Apr 20 23:27 |
| MinceR | or at least touch screen subnotebooks without the microsoft tax | Apr 20 23:27 |
| DavidGerard | you could attach four legs to it and you'd have a desk | Apr 20 23:28 |
| MinceR | yeah, that's the w700 | Apr 20 23:28 |
| DavidGerard | if you could fit it in your office | Apr 20 23:28 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 20 23:28 |
| DavidGerard | i'm after a touch screen interface that isn't shit | Apr 20 23:28 |
| DavidGerard | i used a friend's ipod touch for web browsing, it was almost usable | Apr 20 23:28 |
| DavidGerard | not quite, but almost | Apr 20 23:29 |
| DavidGerard | the nokia 5800 is horrible, just too small | Apr 20 23:29 |
| MinceR | then again, i might be unfair here -- i'm comparing them to the 7900 gs i have | Apr 20 23:29 |
| MinceR | but this isn't a new GPU either | Apr 20 23:29 |
| DavidGerard | i'm writing this on a hp 6710b | Apr 20 23:29 |
| DavidGerard | intel graphics | Apr 20 23:29 |
| DavidGerard | kwin regularly decides it's too busy to run the compositor | Apr 20 23:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm checking to see if it's possible to disable IRC messages when people enter and leave: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/i... | Apr 20 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Is it possible? | Apr 20 23:30 |
| DavidGerard | no idea | Apr 20 23:30 |
| DavidGerard | i'm not sure why you'd want to | Apr 20 23:30 |
| MinceR | you mean disabling join/part/quit messages? | Apr 20 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | Carla on Microsoft's Vista7 misery: "oh dear, being forced to compete" http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_st... | Apr 20 23:34 |
| _boo_ | this pirated mirc has options for this | Apr 20 23:34 |
| MinceR | irssi and kvirc can both do it | Apr 20 23:34 |
| schestowitz | mib_obw0n1: yes | Apr 20 23:34 |
| MinceR | pirated mirc sounds like punishment | Apr 20 23:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: these messages arrive from the server, so maybe they can be disabled | Apr 20 23:35 |
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| _boo_ | i think m$ should release yet another windows to make available consistent and successive upgrades up to win7, vista and xp | Apr 20 23:38 |
| DavidGerard | you should be able to disable server messages, or send them somewhere else | Apr 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... (DHS hunts for white-hat hackers) Microsoft is there on top now, after the BSA's lobbying | Apr 20 23:39 |
| DavidGerard | oh good lord. | Apr 20 23:39 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: I don't know how | Apr 20 23:39 |
| DavidGerard | maybe they could hunt for sysadmins. | Apr 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Some people might find them to be a nuisancxe | Apr 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: maybe | Apr 20 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | They just need people with skills in adentfying crackers | Apr 20 23:40 |
| DavidGerard | yeah | Apr 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Or beaking into people's PCs | Apr 20 23:40 |
| DavidGerard | sufficiently bitter sysadmins would do the job | Apr 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Today in /.: http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar... | Apr 20 23:40 |
| DavidGerard | openbsd admins | Apr 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Documents: FBI Spyware Has Been Snaring Extortionists, Hackers for Years < http://blog.wired.com/27bstro... > | Apr 20 23:40 |
| DavidGerard | the dhs could recruit openbsd admins, that'd be fun | Apr 20 23:40 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: stay with the good people in Wikipedia Foundation | Apr 20 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Omar from Bn did some report on you in Jordan | Apr 20 23:41 |
| MinceR | _boo_: xp2? | Apr 20 23:41 |
| DavidGerard | heh, the wmf admins are cynical enough ;-) | Apr 20 23:41 |
| MinceR | windows metafile? | Apr 20 23:41 |
| DavidGerard | get some embittered bofhs on the case. | Apr 20 23:41 |
| DavidGerard | wikimedia foundation | Apr 20 23:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 20 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Twitter riddled with worms and scams (again) < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... > | Apr 20 23:42 |
| MinceR | WideOpenBSD admins? :> | Apr 20 23:42 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: yes, I was not sure when I typed it | Apr 20 23:42 |
| schestowitz | BSD lost to Linux in a benchmark | Apr 20 23:42 |
| DavidGerard | yeah, pc-bsd versus 9.04 | Apr 20 23:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=ar... | Apr 20 23:43 |
| DavidGerard | interesting what a difference the gcc makes | Apr 20 23:43 |
| trmanco | wow | Apr 20 23:43 |
| trmanco | libre.fm gives the database for all users | Apr 20 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Adobe's blobs and patents want to come to TV sets now: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... | Apr 20 23:44 |
| trmanco | http://turtle.libre.fm/data/ | Apr 20 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Strong start for Palm's Linux-based platform: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/arc... | Apr 20 23:46 |
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| DavidGerard | the palm pre os sounds nice | Apr 20 23:48 |
| DavidGerard | my last palm was a tungsten c | Apr 20 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p... "LOL! Poor Cannon Fodder I mean Sam Ramji. He has the most thankless job at MS. Though it is true that people will pay more for something if they feel they are getting a good value." --Carla, LT admin | Apr 20 23:48 |
| DavidGerard | the os wasn't a proper os, couldn't multitask int he kernel | Apr 20 23:48 |
| schestowitz | I still have my TT | Apr 20 23:48 |
| DavidGerard | so nothing cool FOSS could be ported | Apr 20 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Right bymy side ATM | Apr 20 23:48 |
| DavidGerard | the c was *almost* the perfect pda | Apr 20 23:49 |
| DavidGerard | but they put mono sound in it | Apr 20 23:49 |
| DavidGerard | WHAT | Apr 20 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Palm is not for work, DavidGerard :-) | Apr 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | It's for particular thing | Apr 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | People can't work on phones either | Apr 20 23:49 |
| DavidGerard | i got the non-sucky web browser off the zire and put it on the t-c | Apr 20 23:49 |
| schestowitz | They need a proper large computer with millions of pixels | Apr 20 23:49 |
| DavidGerard | that and the wifi made it really nice | Apr 20 23:49 |
| DavidGerard | and the realplayer for palm could play in the background | Apr 20 23:49 |
| DavidGerard | and tcpmp could play oggs :-) | Apr 20 23:49 |
| DavidGerard | then i lost it :-( | Apr 20 23:50 |
| DavidGerard | but yeah. perfect except the mono headphones. argh. | Apr 20 23:50 |
| DavidGerard | (and that it didn't take standard headphones, no, you needed the palm plug. bah.) | Apr 20 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Windows is catching up with Linux: WinTar Offers More stronger Features to manage uninx/linux like tarball archive files on Windows system < http://www.pr-inside.com/wintar-of... > | Apr 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | gnu tar is free and Free | Apr 20 23:51 |
| schestowitz | it has many front ends also | Apr 20 23:51 |
| DavidGerard | i'm amazed at the SHAREWARE for windows | Apr 20 23:52 |
| DavidGerard | TreeSizePro | Apr 20 23:52 |
| DavidGerard | this is a real application | Apr 20 23:52 |
| DavidGerard | do you know what it does? | Apr 20 23:52 |
| DavidGerard | it does ... | Apr 20 23:52 |
| DavidGerard | du -ks | Apr 20 23:52 |
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| DavidGerard | graphically!!!!!11!!!!!one!! | Apr 20 23:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't know, no.. | Apr 20 23:52 |
| DavidGerard | and you can pay them $10. | Apr 20 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Wow! | Apr 20 23:52 |
| DavidGerard | i know! | Apr 20 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Well, KDE has a nice feature | Apr 20 23:52 |
| DavidGerard | who'd have thought you could do that on computers! | Apr 20 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Konqeueror shows file sizes as blocks | Apr 20 23:53 |
| schestowitz | By traversing dira | Apr 20 23:53 |
| schestowitz | *dirs | Apr 20 23:53 |
| schestowitz | There are many tools like that | Apr 20 23:53 |
| schestowitz | But KDE has one built in | Apr 20 23:53 |
| schestowitz | In KDE 3.5, probably in Dolphin too | Apr 20 23:53 |
| DavidGerard | you could come up with an awful software business reimplementing horrible graphical versions of every unix command for windows | Apr 20 23:53 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know about it until last year | Apr 20 23:53 |
| DavidGerard | base them on bsd, then you can make it closed source | Apr 20 23:53 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: they can hardly keep what they have alive | Apr 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Like serve Web pages (Encarta) | Apr 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | They messed up with Singularity | Apr 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Waste of money | Apr 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | For "R&D" buzzword | Apr 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Now it's shelves (in bitbucket) | Apr 20 23:54 |
| DavidGerard | hey, songsmith is great! | Apr 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Linus likes it | Apr 20 23:54 |
| DavidGerard | go on youtube and look for the songsmith versions of popular 80s songs | Apr 20 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Well, he also live tivoisation, so... | Apr 20 23:54 |
| DavidGerard | "white wedding" by billy idol is particularly hilarious | Apr 20 23:54 |
| DavidGerard | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_... - first paragraph is a coffee-spit | Apr 20 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tried to be cool. | Apr 20 23:55 |
| DavidGerard | microsoft is not cool. | Apr 20 23:55 |
| DavidGerard | apple is cool. | Apr 20 23:55 |
| DavidGerard | they're definitely agents of Satan and Steve Jobs wants your soul and worship | Apr 20 23:55 |
| DavidGerard | but their stuff is actually *good* | Apr 20 23:55 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: "Do you feel like you're screwing a porcupine and you're one prick against thousands?" the OSCON audience member asked Ramji. Ramji politely replied: "It takes time to change and I knew that I'd be unpopular when I took this job..." http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/... | Apr 20 23:56 |
| DavidGerard | features are one thing - but the most important feature of the iphone is that the user doesn't want to smash it to a million little pieces with a toffee hammer | Apr 20 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Translation | Apr 20 23:56 |
| schestowitz | I was asked to be the devil | Apr 20 23:56 |
| schestowitz | it paid well | Apr 20 23:56 |
| schestowitz | So I said hell yeah | Apr 20 23:56 |
| DavidGerard | who was the one before ramji? | Apr 20 23:56 |
| schestowitz | IOW, Ramji is a greedy "prick" | Apr 20 23:56 |
| DavidGerard | bill something - hilf? | Apr 20 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Hilf | Apr 20 23:56 |
| DavidGerard | well, people don't work for microsoft for charitable urges | Apr 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Reminds me of someone with a similar surname | Apr 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | He ran away | Apr 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Like Martin Taylor | Apr 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | And the other anti-Linux guys | Apr 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Sam Ramji is hated by FOSS people | Apr 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | They don't tell it to his face | Apr 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Some tell me privately | Apr 20 23:57 |
| DavidGerard | i'm sure he's nice to small children and puppies. | Apr 20 23:57 |
| schestowitz | In his jobs he's like this waitress annoying you to get a tip | Apr 20 23:58 |
| DavidGerard | but trusting him as his employer's representative is another matter. | Apr 20 23:58 |
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| DavidGerard | i'm sure when he quits he'll have a lot more friends | Apr 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Well, he might get sacked | Apr 20 23:58 |
| DavidGerard | the question now is: the sam ramji resignation pool! | Apr 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Y'know, work reductions at MS | Apr 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Also in the news today... | Apr 20 23:58 |
| DavidGerard | and will he jump or be pushed? | Apr 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Has Microsoft lost its war on open source? < http://www.itworld.com/open-source/66652/ha... > | Apr 20 23:59 |
| schestowitz | THat was written by one of the MS goons | Apr 20 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Tho writes about FOSS | Apr 20 23:59 |
| schestowitz | And about MS+FOSS | Apr 20 23:59 |
| schestowitz | She's one of the reason I quit IDG | Apr 20 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I left CNET too | Apr 20 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Rubbish press | Apr 20 23:59 |