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| schestowitz | Essentially, Silicon Valley startups are borrowing money from China now (through the borrowing chain) | May 06 13:54 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.khronos.org/ All the core opengl are licenced to this group iwmw | May 06 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmm... http://boycottnovell.com/2009/... to avoid Godwin's law I ought to have clarified that the "digs and Chinese" thing is the reference here.. I heard that the British used to have some signs in their premises back in the imperial days. | May 06 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Its a pitty with the 2002 case iwmw that MS woke up before doing a SCO. | May 06 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/b... "Cuil, set up by some ex-Google employees, raised a pile of money and a good deal of publicity last year, promising more detailed results, but has since faded from view. " | May 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | This article comes from a MSFTer | May 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | I suspect it's a little Google hostile, but I didn't read the whole thing | May 06 13:58 |
| oiaohm | SGI had transfered them the right to use and on licence the patents. But had kept the rights to use and licence the patents as they saw fit. This includes allowing opengl something they invented to keep on using them. | May 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | MS wants to dethrone Google based on public distrust | May 06 13:59 |
| schestowitz | "Google spies on you" | May 06 13:59 |
| schestowitz | "Google will devour your kids" | May 06 13:59 |
| schestowitz | "Google is pedo stuff..." | May 06 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Needs to be mirrored back. | May 06 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday it was "taliban" | May 06 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hope that people will boycott Google | May 06 13:59 |
| schestowitz | It's all it has left | May 06 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Just like ODF failure needs to be turned around to be a lack of developer problems in MS. | May 06 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Turn it into a nice fear play so MS attempted gain becomes there loss. | May 06 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Rory Cellan-Jones : Searching for another Google | May 06 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Takehome message (from this known friend of Microsoft): we need to look beyond Google for search | May 06 14:00 |
| iwmw | oiaohm: thanks, at least i can feel safe about open gl | May 06 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Really SGI was hoping MS would fall hook line and sinker for it. | May 06 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Once you have started legal action getting out of it can be a major problem as SCO is finding out. | May 06 14:03 |
| iwmw | http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... | May 06 14:06 |
| trmanco | http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blo... | May 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz | heh. | May 06 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Similar to a post I made this morning | May 06 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Quoting GreyGeek | May 06 14:37 |
| trmanco | :) | May 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | New from PR Watch: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8361 | May 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | New Advertising Trend: Fake "Public Service" Ads < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8366 > | May 06 14:38 |
| I wonder if the word on M$'s campus is, "Use Google and we will fire you." | May 06 14:41 | |
| schestowitz | PR Watch might have to call it quits :-( http://www.prwatch.org/node/8360 | May 06 14:41 |
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| trmanco | Gnote 0.3.1 | May 06 14:48 |
| trmanco | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/f... | May 06 14:48 |
| trmanco | check the nice fixes | May 06 14:49 |
| trmanco | :D | May 06 14:49 |
| iwmw | sounds like a deep beta | May 06 15:00 |
| trmanco | lol | May 06 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I messaged you about it earlier | May 06 15:29 |
| trmanco | here on irc? I probably wasn't connected to my bouncer | May 06 15:29 |
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| everyone needs money, PR watch included. note that they are hiring on the same page, http://www.prwatch.org/ed_search | May 06 15:32 | |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | hear yee hear yee the FTC along with the DoD is doing M$'s handy work by suing Apple and Google for collaborating while Novell and Gentoo relationship walk free | May 06 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Carl_Rover2k12 | May 06 15:59 |
| schestowitz | I was just writing an interesting post about the drug industry | May 06 15:59 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: hey, did you hear about the FTC filing an anti-trust suite against Apple and Google for colaborating? | May 06 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Google and Apple | May 06 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Two birds with one stone for the Vole | May 06 16:00 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: yep | May 06 16:00 |
| schestowitz | The FTC has history with the Vole | May 06 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Search BN for FTC | May 06 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: what has Groklaw picked by now? | May 06 16:00 |
| schestowitz | I hardly read News Picks there anymore. No time, too much legal news | May 06 16:00 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: actually I picked it up on another hyperlinking blog, Slashdot | May 06 16:01 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: oh I see, FTC is moving to help soften the blow of SCO on M$ | May 06 16:02 |
| Eruaran | hello | May 06 16:02 |
| Eruaran | I did something i probably shouldn't have done earlier | May 06 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: SCO? | May 06 16:02 |
| Eruaran | I commented on /. | May 06 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Where? | May 06 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: what's it about? | May 06 16:03 |
| Eruaran | oh just some responses to other comments | May 06 16:03 |
| Eruaran | but... | May 06 16:03 |
| Eruaran | you know, if you comment on /. | May 06 16:03 |
| Eruaran | there's no telling how deep the rabbit hole will go ;) | May 06 16:03 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: its on the front page of Groklaw | May 06 16:07 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | nothing to do with what I stated before, sorry :P | May 06 16:08 |
| schestowitz | The Pharmaceutical Cartel http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/... | May 06 16:09 |
| *schestowitz looks at GL | May 06 16:10 | |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: she didn't do an article on it | May 06 16:10 |
| schestowitz | "U.S. Trustee Moves to Convert SCO Bankruptcy to Chapter 7 - Updated" | May 06 16:11 |
| schestowitz | "SCO Responds to Gray's Proposed Amicus Brief" | May 06 16:11 |
| schestowitz | I'll just drop a coupla' sentences as a placeholder anyway | May 06 16:11 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: yea, the first one you stated was written by tux apparently | May 06 16:13 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: btw, Realtors seem to be doing their own parody of Pharma PR campaigns by hosting mock news alerts on TV | May 06 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | A one-sentence explanation of background for the FTC lawsuit: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05... | May 06 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Watch this from Mercola about swine flu: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a... | May 06 16:38 |
| schestowitz | My submission is missing: http://www.epo.org/patents/appeals/eba... | May 06 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | The MS cartel is filling Twitter with ODF propaganda, still | May 06 16:46 |
| trmanco | Safari, Opera Users Lag Behind in Security Updates: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securi... | May 06 16:51 |
| schestowitz | More Vista7 failures: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new... | May 06 16:53 |
| schestowitz | I love this one: | May 06 16:53 |
| schestowitz | "During a demonstration at CES of their new Eee Netbook range, featuring Windows 7 touch screen technology, the company twice failed to get their new Netbook to work with the screen freezing as executives tried to demonstrate new models." http://www.channelnews.com.au/Sales_A... | May 06 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Watch what MS did to ASUS | May 06 16:54 |
| schestowitz | "ASUS Walloped As Profits Crash 94% " | May 06 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Oh YEAH! | May 06 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Liaising with Microsoft really paid off for them. | May 06 16:54 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I wouldn't have posted about gnote to USENET because it's repetitive,but it's good that you do this. I guess it's a minor release anyway | May 06 16:56 |
| schestowitz | It's not too useful to call it "Experimental" | May 06 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | As if to say it might be called off or something | May 06 16:56 |
| trmanco | why not | May 06 16:56 |
| schestowitz | it's being bundled already | May 06 16:56 |
| trmanco | have you seen the troll replies? | May 06 16:56 |
| schestowitz | 18075 pageviews in BN in the past 12 hours. Maybe cause I did 14 posts today | May 06 16:57 |
| trmanco | well, the "experimental" state is still what is one the official page | May 06 16:57 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no, haven't seen trolls | May 06 16:57 |
| trmanco | on* | May 06 16:57 |
| schestowitz | They are becoming pathetic and rude | May 06 16:57 |
| schestowitz | This means they totally lose it | May 06 16:57 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: but crashing during presentations is pretty normal in the Windows world | May 06 16:57 |
| trmanco | kernel hacker and fishy boy are replying to each other | May 06 16:57 |
| schestowitz | The trolls are like Vista | May 06 16:57 |
| schestowitz | They are fat, unlikable and not stable or reliable | May 06 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: at least there were no BSODs | May 06 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Like in win98 | May 06 16:58 |
| schestowitz | "now we'll plug in a new printer..." | May 06 16:58 |
| trmanco | mr. kernel hacker also stated that he couldn't find gnote's page on google, whereas it's on the first page | May 06 16:59 |
| trmanco | first ten entries* | May 06 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Qook doesn't use Google | May 06 16:59 |
| schestowitz | he's among the minority of MS employees who use MS | May 06 16:59 |
| schestowitz | *MSN | May 06 16:59 |
| schestowitz | What Net neutrality and bandwidth caps may really be for: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new... | May 06 17:01 |
| trmanco | My drive is failing... or not: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/... Fedora gets smart | May 06 17:03 |
| trmanco | Another user moves to Gnote, removes Mono from his system too -> http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2... | May 06 17:04 |
| trmanco | Systray finally in action (KDE): http://www.notmart.org/index... | May 06 17:08 |
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| trmanco | If mono brings doubt, moonlight sheds light: http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/146 | May 06 17:13 |
| Balrog_ | just read <http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-xp...> | May 06 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog_: I think I saw it recently | May 06 17:28 |
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| trmanco | ah, there you are | May 06 17:46 |
| trmanco | welcome back | May 06 17:46 |
| trmanco | Windows 7 Fail: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/ar... | May 06 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: no, haven't seen trolls | May 06 16:37 |
| trmanco | on* | May 06 16:37 |
| schestowitz | They are becoming pathetic and rude | May 06 16:38 |
| schestowitz | This means they totally lose it | May 06 16:38 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | schestowitz: but crashing during presentations is pretty normal in the Windows world | May 06 16:38 |
| trmanco | kernel hacker and fishy boy are replying to each other | May 06 16:38 |
| schestowitz | The trolls are like Vista | May 06 16:38 |
| schestowitz | They are fat, unlikable and not stable or reliable | May 06 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: at least there were no BSODs | May 06 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Like in win98 | May 06 16:39 |
| schestowitz | "now we'll plug in a new printer..." | May 06 16:39 |
| trmanco | mr. kernel hacker also stated that he couldn't find gnote's page on google, whereas it's on the first page | May 06 16:39 |
| trmanco | first ten entries* | May 06 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Qook doesn't use Google | May 06 16:39 |
| schestowitz | he's among the minority of MS employees who use MS | May 06 16:40 |
| schestowitz | *MSN | May 06 16:40 |
| schestowitz | What Net neutrality and bandwidth caps may really be for: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... | May 06 16:42 |
| trmanco | My drive is failing... or not: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/200... Fedora gets smart | May 06 16:43 |
| trmanco | Another user moves to Gnote, removes Mono from his system too -> http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/200... | May 06 16:44 |
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| trmanco | If mono brings doubt, moonlight sheds light: http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/146 | May 06 16:54 |
| Balrog_ | just read <http://www.computing.net/answers/windows...> | May 06 16:58 |
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| trmanco | Windows 7 Fail: http://www.f-secure.com/webl... | May 06 17:15 |
| -Md-[GlobalNotice] oops! the network for one of our sponsors suddenly disappeared. sorry for the troubles... | May 06 17:17 | |
| -christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, as you've probably noticed we're experiencing some connectivity issues with one of our main sponsors, we're trying to route around the problem for now and hopefully it should calm down. Apologies for the inconvenience and have a good day. | May 06 17:18 | |
| trmanco | og great | May 06 17:20 |
| trmanco | where is roy? | May 06 17:20 |
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| trmanco | ah, there you are | May 06 17:26 |
| trmanco | welcome back | May 06 17:26 |
| trmanco | Windows 7 Fail: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/a... | May 06 17:26 |
| schestowitz | server fail | May 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | I'd have to merge logs | May 06 17:29 |
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| trmanco | yeah | May 06 17:51 |
| trmanco | brb | May 06 17:51 |
| *schestowitz writes about gnote | May 06 17:51 | |
| Omar87 | trmanco: This is amazing! :) | May 06 17:56 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, cool | May 06 17:57 |
| trmanco | Omar87, what is? | May 06 17:57 |
| Omar87 | trmanco: The post about about Vista 7. It's yet another proof that it s Vista with a fresh coat of paint. :) | May 06 17:58 |
| trmanco | ah, indeed | May 06 17:59 |
| trmanco | Multi-processor support coming for Firefox: http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/05/mu... | May 06 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.planetsuse.org/ Lots of Mono. Yuck. | May 06 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://automorphic.blogspot.com/2009/05/... | May 06 18:05 |
| Omar87 | trmanco: lol! It reminds me of those Pepsi commercials: "The same old taste, in a brand new shape!!" ---> What the hell would I need the new shape for if the taste isn't any better??! :p | May 06 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Cola and Pepsi are fgor image | May 06 18:09 |
| schestowitz | If you drink it then your friends will think you're like the guy/gal in the ads | May 06 18:09 |
| schestowitz | That's the methodology of their marketing | May 06 18:09 |
| schestowitz | New Version of Gnote Released, Already Earns New Users Who Boast Mono Relief < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/... > | May 06 18:10 |
| schestowitz | How Microsoft's cuts will weigh on worker morale, local economy < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft... >. This doesn't even account for contracts and pay cuts | May 06 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft cuts 1,200 in WA state < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft... > | May 06 18:13 |
| trmanco | ALSA 1.0.20 Released, Many Fixes & Improvements: http://www.phoronix.com/s... | May 06 18:15 |
| schestowitz | ALSA... who cares? | May 06 18:19 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 06 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Snooping no more how you vote in the UK: Jacqui Smith's secret plan to carry on snooping < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/n... > | May 06 18:24 |
| schestowitz | RMS (??): "I see nothing to criticize if a man (or a woman, if so inclined) associates with pretty, young women — or pretty, young men, or both — or goes to bed with them. I would not reject my lover for having other lovers. I don't believe in exclusivity as a principle or moral obligation in love relationships, and I don't ask for it from those I love." | May 06 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Nepalese prime minister resigns from cabinet < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/m... > | May 06 18:26 |
| schestowitz | I keep seeing the same mistake. Moonlight is not a "port" of Silverlight. You repeat a factual mistake here. | May 06 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Yikes. Open-source working as advertised: ICINGA forks Nagios < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-... > | May 06 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Leading businessmen launch protest against Heathrow's third runway < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/... > | May 06 18:29 |
| schestowitz | FOSS people stick around in FOSS: Marketcetera Taps Former MySQL Executive For Its Advisory Board < http://ostatic.com/blog/marketcetera-ta... > | May 06 18:31 |
| Omar87 | Anybody knows how many big companies in the US actually use C# in their projects? | May 06 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Linux at 1 percent?! Ha! It's more like 45 percent http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/... 1% Linux Market Share = 100% Dishonesty http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/200... | May 06 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: they use Java | May 06 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Unless you ask MS or its affiliate 'experts' | May 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft=lie company | May 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Just watch the examples I've just posted (1% nonsense) | May 06 18:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I know, abut I also heard that the margin between Java-powered projects .'SHIT'-powered projects is quickly closing, is that anywhere near 'true'? | May 06 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Apple's Hypocrisy is Staggering < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs... > | May 06 18:40 |
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| _air | Omar87, did you see many .net apps? | May 06 18:43 |
| _air | barely, they are slow that's why people prefer to avoid .net | May 06 18:43 |
| MinceR | Bruce Byfield raises some interesting points about Net Applications' lie report >> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osr... | May 06 18:43 |
| schestowitz | SCO is done. No, really this time.. almost. http://www.groklaw.net/article... | May 06 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Net Lipplications | May 06 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Wine is losing focus.. ;-p http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-review... | May 06 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/... | May 06 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "Red Hat: Red Hat (RHT), which markets open-source software including the operating system Linux, had often been named as a likely acquisition for Oracle before the Sun deal. Still, analysts say the company remains primed for a takeover. Red Hat declined to comment. | May 06 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "I can still see Red Hat going to Oracle or another software vendor that wants a cooperating system," said Hochmuth. " | May 06 18:54 |
| schestowitz | still rumours of Oracle buying Red Hat. | May 06 18:54 |
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| Omar87 | _air: I'm not sure, but there is a fair number of .net apps here and there. | May 06 19:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/techno... "As it's open source, this is easily accomplished by "releasing it into the community", which will make it reliant on Novell and IBM, the only other companies to put significant numbers of programmers into the work." | May 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Sure, it's not extinct | May 06 19:13 |
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| Balrog_ | Omar87: hobbyist-produced .NET apps are the most annoying | May 06 19:16 |
| Balrog_ | that's what I find mono useful for | May 06 19:17 |
| bgtr4 | like turtlish adiirc | May 06 19:18 |
| Balrog_ | .?. | May 06 19:20 |
| bgtr4 | adiirc is hobbyist produced | May 06 19:21 |
| bgtr4 | and it's annoying | May 06 19:21 |
| bgtr4 | 'cause it's slow | May 06 19:21 |
| schestowitz | More on SCO being fried: http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/n... | May 06 19:22 |
| Balrog_ | bgtr4: ahh. well there are certain 'specialized' apps, if you could call them that, that are written in .NET for windows | May 06 19:35 |
| Balrog_ | and I don't like Windows, so I end up using mono for those | May 06 19:36 |
| Balrog_ | just as I use wine for running some Windows apps | May 06 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how many *nux users user wine | May 06 19:46 |
| schestowitz | what %tage | May 06 19:46 |
| schestowitz | me totally fell behind today. Almost 20 posts so far. | May 06 19:49 |
| Balrog_ | what do you mean? | May 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | There's no big news really. | May 06 19:49 |
| Balrog_ | the only thing I use wine for are small specific apps that require windows | May 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | In BN I did many posts | May 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | The SCO news is big | May 06 19:50 |
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| Balrog_ | schestowitz: why do things like this happen: http://news.cnet.com/2100-100... | May 06 20:54 |
| Balrog_ | 'no longer available'!! | May 06 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Is that the ZDNet article? | May 06 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Where is it linked from? | May 06 20:59 |
| schestowitz | That would be the ozzie article, no? | May 06 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Or Allchin | May 06 21:00 |
| schestowitz | 2001 | May 06 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Yes, probably the POS Allchin | May 06 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I remember those remarks | May 06 21:00 |
| schestowitz | CNET doesn't want to show a FOSS-hostile MS, you think? | May 06 21:00 |
| schestowitz | They changed their tune for STRATGIC reasons alone | May 06 21:00 |
| Balrog_ | yes, Allchin | May 06 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Just the tune, not the feelin' | May 06 21:01 |
| Balrog_ | no archived copy? | May 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Dunno | May 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Check Web archive, look up the URL | May 06 21:01 |
| Balrog_ | looked in web archive | May 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Then try to see if there's a Web mirror that's alive | May 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Nothing in the archive? | May 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | If not, then I'll post about it in BN | May 06 21:01 |
| Balrog_ | meh, it's right on cnet | May 06 21:01 |
| Balrog_ | http://news.cnet.com/Open-source-advoca... | May 06 21:01 |
| Balrog_ | funny ... "Joining Torvalds in endorsing the statement were free-software evangelist Bruce Perens, open-source advocate Eric Raymond, GNOME desktop founder Miguel de Icaza, Perl programming-language creator Larry Wall and Python language creator Guido van Rossum. " | May 06 21:02 |
| Balrog_ | << statement against MS | May 06 21:02 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: read that before? | May 06 21:04 |
| Balrog_ | oh also ... I replaced flash with the 64bit beta and no more problems, for now at least | May 06 21:04 |
| Balrog_ | it's still proprietary code though | May 06 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Novell General Manager: Microsoft Won’t Bid for Novell, But You Can Never Say Never < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/... > | May 06 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: yes, Flash is annoying because it's useless for what it is | May 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I only use it for video | May 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't need f*ing binaries for videos | May 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I just need video content | May 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | That's all | May 06 21:08 |
| Balrog_ | yes. | May 06 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Flash is a useless encpsulation for flying objects and stuff | May 06 21:09 |
| Balrog_ | flash is annoying with video too | May 06 21:09 |
| schestowitz | "Open-source advocates answer Microsoft" | May 06 21:09 |
| Balrog_ | it can be used to facilitate drm | May 06 21:09 |
| schestowitz | But where it the missing article? | May 06 21:09 |
| Balrog_ | sorry, my bad\ | May 06 21:10 |
| schestowitz | The second one is 3 months newerr | May 06 21:10 |
| schestowitz | I did a google | May 06 21:10 |
| schestowitz | none in there | May 06 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Just the castrated article | May 06 21:10 |
| Balrog_ | wow | May 06 21:11 |
| Balrog_ | it was used as a reference in a masters degree thesis | May 06 21:11 |
| Balrog_ | /wi8 | May 06 21:13 |
| Balrog_ | sorry | May 06 21:13 |
| schestowitz | The Web Archive does not have a copy of the full article, right? | May 06 21:13 |
| Balrog_ | not AFAICT | May 06 21:13 |
| Balrog_ | nope. | May 06 21:14 |
| Balrog_ | :( | May 06 21:14 |
| Balrog_ | do you have a copy? | May 06 21:15 |
| Balrog_ | now another thing ... cdrtools is being superseded by libburn, so soon Joerg Schilling won't be able to complain (libburn has none of 'his' code whatsoever) | May 06 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Why Did CNET Remove Microsoft’s Attack on Open Source? - http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06... | May 06 21:25 |
| MinceR | http://voristrip.tumblr.com/post/10... | May 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Dell hunting M&A guru < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200... > | May 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Borland is bought! Brit software group swallows Borland for $67m < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... > | May 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Zombie software that everyone hate is still alive: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/... | May 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | EU urges Internet governance revamp < http://www.reuters.com/article/t... >. Well overdue. I think it was Chevron's Rice (of the Bush regime) who resisted it before. | May 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | We got linked in ComputerWorld: http://blogs.computerworld.com/h... | May 06 21:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/sec... NoScript Developer Apologizes For Meddling With AdBlock | May 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Good for GNU/Linux: Leaked copies of Windows 7 RC contain Trojan < http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/30... > | May 06 21:49 |
| MinceR | windows itself is a trojan :> | May 06 21:49 |
| MinceR | it tricks the user or oem into installing it and then it does damage | May 06 21:50 |
| schestowitz | :-D | May 06 21:50 |
| MinceR | (pretending that it's a useful program) | May 06 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I think I broke BN record today. 20 or more posts. | May 06 21:50 |
| bgtr4 | cool | May 06 21:51 |
| schestowitz | The whole Eugenics thing came up | May 06 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Firefox hits 270 million users, without Linux < http://blog.internetnews.com/skern... > | May 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Only Linux comes preinstalled with it (almost only Linux) | May 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Who knows where the whole SCO saga would have been without access to Groklaw? It served as a bridge that allowed the community to interact with the case and also hurt SCO in the wallet -- where it hurts. | May 06 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Who said Linux isn't beautiful??? http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/0... | May 06 22:00 |
| MinceR | apple fanboys (who are in love with cheap white toilet-seat plastic) say that | May 06 22:00 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: heard of the SIAA? I hear it's like the BSA only worse | May 06 22:01 |
| Balrog_ | I was told this by a good source: | May 06 22:03 |
| Balrog_ | <quote> | May 06 22:03 |
| Balrog_ | they're a company (of sorts) that targets open packets of illegially shared software downloads, and will legally attack you on the basis that they represent the original software manufacturer | May 06 22:03 |
| Balrog_ | this is without the consent OR interest of the software's manufacturer | May 06 22:03 |
| Balrog_ | they then proceed to both sue you, AND sell the data for the suit to the company whose software is in the mix | May 06 22:03 |
| Balrog_ | they are also responsible for creating numerous fake download sites to farm ips, etc | May 06 22:03 |
| Balrog_ | </quote> | May 06 22:03 |
| Balrog_ | siaa.net btw | May 06 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I heard of it | May 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Ther'es also IASA | May 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Depends on the country/region | May 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Same lobbying/proxy arms | May 06 22:06 |
| Balrog_ | SIAA is in the US | May 06 22:06 |
| schestowitz | SIAM with an A :-) | May 06 22:06 |
| Balrog_ | stuff like this too: <http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/...> | May 06 22:06 |
| schestowitz | You know SIAM, right? | May 06 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: it's not our problem :-) | May 06 22:06 |
| schestowitz | But I use these things to show how ugly non-Free sw is | May 06 22:06 |
| Balrog_ | SIAM ... mathematics? | May 06 22:06 |
| Balrog_ | that is | May 06 22:07 |
| Balrog_ | right? | May 06 22:07 |
| schestowitz | As in, they say "open source" is risk and everything... | May 06 22:07 |
| schestowitz | So you show them what else there is | May 06 22:07 |
| schestowitz | yes, maths | May 06 22:07 |
| schestowitz | I use their stuff sometimes | May 06 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Conferences ran out of cacronym | May 06 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Many conferences share the same initials | May 06 22:07 |
| Balrog_ | o ok. | May 06 22:07 |
| schestowitz | But many confs die out as well | May 06 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Depression is globaL | May 06 22:07 |
| Balrog_ | they were behind 'don't copy that floppy' | May 06 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.junauza.com/2009/05/famous... "Fravia has been suffering from cancer for more than two years now, and on his website he recently posted a farewell message entitled “Sour 'n Sweet Swan Song”." | May 06 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: why would anyone want to copy BillG? | May 06 22:14 |
| Balrog_ | makes all copying look bad | May 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | BN does about 7gb today | May 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I estimate that about 4000x700k are from RSS | May 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | That'd be about 3gb per day | May 06 22:17 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people read the site without stepping on it. They just grab the story contents and can read it offline, which is an interesting type of Web interaction | May 06 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla Vows "No Surprises" For Firefox Add-On Users < http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/... > | May 06 22:19 |
| schestowitz | A look at Memory usage - 2009.1 with KDE4 < http://blog.linuxbox.co.nz/2009/05... > | May 06 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Linux Wizard - KDE 4 job notifications issues when using removable medias < http://www.linux-wizard.net/blog-kde... > | May 06 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | Phoronix milestone: 100 Tests & Counting For Linux Benchmarking < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.ph... > | May 06 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | Yo balzac | May 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Long time, no see | May 06 22:26 |
| bgtr4 | there should be as well crossplatform tests | May 06 22:26 |
| balzac | hey Roy | May 06 22:26 |
| balzac | yeah, I've been productive the last week and a half :p | May 06 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Linux news is boring today......Watching your hard disks is a S.M.A.R.T. thing to do. < http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutu... > | May 06 22:27 |
| schestowitz | balzac: productive at work? | May 06 22:27 |
| balzac | yep | May 06 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Sleep too can be productive | May 06 22:27 |
| balzac | I'm good at sleeping | May 06 22:27 |
| MinceR | hm, time for me to get productive. | May 06 22:27 |
| MinceR | gn | May 06 22:27 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 06 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Work is done in the mind. | May 06 22:28 |
| balzac | well, it has to get out of your mind through your words or deeds to be considered work | May 06 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Here's why the future looks good for Linux in sub-notebooks: http://www.itwire.com/content/vi... | May 06 22:29 |
| balzac | unless you're your own boss and your wage is paid by your mind in addition to work being done in your mind | May 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Work in life is not money | May 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's the means to an end | May 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Some people define "work" as the activity which is used to produce money (i.e. paper that says you possess more of something) | May 06 22:30 |
| balzac | in physics, work is defined with units of force applied to something, right? | May 06 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Command line made easy: five simple recipes for grep < http://arstechnica.com/open-source... > | May 06 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Greenpeace is work too | May 06 22:31 |
| balzac | well, the mind consumes lots of calories | May 06 22:31 |
| schestowitz | balzac: gardening is work | May 06 22:31 |
| balzac | so it does drain you like physical work | May 06 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Paper money may not be accrued but if you hire a gardener then work that you do at 'work' is just passed to him/her (bar tax) | May 06 22:32 |
| schestowitz | There is usually a payoff to being self-sufficient because of tax on the money that changes hand (like traffic feee) | May 06 22:33 |
| schestowitz | It's a lot more fun doing 'work' to chase down the goons to whom money is all there is... worth killing over a million Iraqis for this money | May 06 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.workswithu.com/20... "Is Ubuntu Elitist?" Nope. Is Works With U a troll? Yes. | May 06 22:34 |
| balzac | If only there were bounties to collect... | May 06 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Oh boy. Here comes another angry trademark. "Thinking about Refreshing the Firefox Icon" < http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009... > | May 06 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: like GWB said, "wanted dead or alive" :-) | May 06 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Cowboy in the (white) house | May 06 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Better than a hockey mom (after McBush gets a heart attack) | May 06 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Gartner garbage used as a source here: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.c... | May 06 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | BN indirectly made the FP of Digg | May 06 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Blech. "I can understand (but not agree with) why Microsoft may not want to produce its own Silverlight/.net framework on Linux I'm glad that they are at least working with the Mono team to make this happen." http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12558-0.... | May 06 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 with trojan.... leaked... went too far! Vista7 is a Trojan already, but they put another on top :-) | May 06 23:02 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: <http://temple-news.com/2009/04/21/p...> .... more again :/ | May 06 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | May 06 23:27 |
| schestowitz | What's up, oiaohm | May 06 23:28 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.oooninja.com/2009/05/mi... Interesting read schestowitz | May 06 23:37 |
| schestowitz | yes, old | May 06 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Well, I have more | May 06 23:39 |
| schestowitz | It is from the 4rd? | May 06 23:39 |
| schestowitz | *3 | May 06 23:40 |
| oiaohm | I know its old. It was still a interesting read. | May 06 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I can put the latest here | May 06 23:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/Dispute... http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/... | May 06 23:42 |
| schestowitz | That's the press catching yo | May 06 23:42 |
| schestowitz | *up | May 06 23:42 |
| oiaohm | Its the details of what don't work in the reference documents. | May 06 23:43 |
| schestowitz | There's more coming | May 06 23:45 |
| schestowitz | presentation (odp) and docs (odf) | May 06 23:45 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm debian changing away from glibc to eglibc its going to be interesting to see how this fork turns out. | May 06 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw that | May 06 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Was gonna post it in an hours | May 06 23:52 |
| schestowitz | *hour | May 06 23:52 |
| oiaohm | OpenOffice 3.1.0 will be soon. Binaries mirroring out threw mirrors at moment. | May 06 23:54 |