EditorsAbout the SiteComes vs. MicrosoftUsing This Web SiteSite ArchivesCredibility IndexOOXMLOpenDocumentPatentsNovellNews DigestSite NewsRSS

01.25.10

Novell Spreads Microsoft Inside GNU/Linux Whereas LINA Spreads GNU/Linux Inside Windows

Posted in Free/Libre Software, GNU/Linux, Microsoft, Mono, Novell, Red Hat, Ubuntu, Windows at 4:02 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

“Shouldn’t we leave the [Microsoft] elephant alone and stop poking it with sticks? Well, the problem is they aren’t going to leave us alone.”

Jeremy Allison, LCA 2010

Summary: News about Mono and Microsoft sticking themselves onto GNU/Linux; Zenoss and LINA demonstrate correct way to build bridges

David Worthington, a journalist who spent some time with Microsoft and Novell earlier this month, is not promoting Mono/C# (he did this before), but he does promote Microsoft’s F#. Why advance a language (and APIs) from a company that’s a convicted abuser, or simply a violator of the law? Developers mostly dislike or at least distrust Microsoft. Maybe it takes some guts to have principles and refuse to help sinister agendas. Jeremy Allison is not too shy to tell the truth about Microsoft and Mono. From a new article:

Telling it like it is, the Allison way

He’s the man with a conscience in the computer industry. Not too many of them around these days, an era when people attach the name “open source” to anything in a bid to attract funding.

Never mind if the business in question is really not gving away source code.

Jeremy Allison caused a stir in 2006 when he announced that he was leaving Novell because the company had signed a patent indemnification deal with Microsoft.

One could well argue that someone with his reputation could easily do this, as he wouldn’t have had a problem finding a job anywhere.

But then, just tell those who raise this argument that a couple of gentlemen by the names of Miguel de Icaza and Nat Friedman stayed behind at Novell when Allison left and see how quickly silence prevails.

Jason from Mono-Nono has this update about Gnote and Red Hat (or Fedora):

Gnote and Fedora

The Good: Gnote has a new support team in place with exciting plans.

The Bad: Said support team has to bend over backward to make it clear they are not “anti-Mono”. After effects of the smear campaign against the original author of Gnote?

Those smears (one might call it a “campaign”) can be seen here.

“Banshee is a Novell project that uses non-ECMA bits that Microsoft’s community promise (MCP) does not cover.”Debates about Mono in Ubuntu sometimes heat up a bit. One person ends up bringing forth Banshee as candidate for Ubuntu, only to receive comments like: “Banshee is a very bad idea. Amarok is a totally better option, has been around a lot longer and isn’t based upon Mono.

Also he is told: “I Agree with Brandon regarding mono apps. Mono is bad. Rythmbox is a great player, they should have kept that player over the garbage mono alternatives. Water under the bridge for me though, i moved to Arch/Linux with KDE. Amarok is a worthy music player.

Banshee is a Novell project that uses non-ECMA bits that Microsoft’s community promise (MCP) does not cover. It would be better not to promote Go-oo either; it’s just Novell’s attempt to take control of an important GNU/Linux project/program, adding Mono and Microsoft’s OOXML to it [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6].

Here is a better way to ‘embrace’ Windows users, namely to compile for GNU/Linux and then allow them to also try out some applications on Windows. As this press release from Zenoss puts it:

The Zenoss Core project., a leading open source IT monitoring and management solution, today announced the general availability of Zenoss Core version 2.5.1 under the GNU General Public License (V2) is now available as a free and open source solution for the Microsoft Windows operating system. This latest release of the open source monitoring and systems management project enables users to run applications compiled for Linux under Windows with a native look and feel using the beta version of the LINA run-time environment developed by Lina Software.

When LINA reaches full maturity it will be a decent tool for doing exactly the opposite of Mono. With Mono, users can taste a sample of .NET and if they want to use the “real thing”, then they move over to Windows. With LINA it’s the opposite because GNU/Linux is the “master” for which applications get compiled. For the “full experience”, GNU/Linux is required.

Mono developers are virtually going through the garbage can called “Microsoft” to use their ideas by duplicating them. The winning APIs are then Microsoft’s.

“The best way to prepare is to write programs, and to study great programs that other people have written. In my case, I went to the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and I fished out listings of their operating systems.”

Bill Gates

Share this post: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Reddit
  • co.mments
  • DZone
  • email
  • Google Bookmarks
  • LinkedIn
  • NewsVine
  • Print
  • Technorati
  • TwitThis
  • Facebook

If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

Pages that cross-reference this one

2 Comments

  1. dyfet said,

    January 25, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Gravatar

    I had not heard of Lina before so I was curious. I did not think the Lina site did a very good job of explaining what they actually do, however, which is a shame. What I did puzzle out of it is they seem to use a baseline Debian GNU/Linux baseline distro running in what I am gathering might well be a rather heavily modified VirtualBox that integrates nicer as their underlying methodology of a universal GNU/Linux platform, since they talk about how Lina is not compatible with existing VirtualBox installations.

    They apparently have an native external package manager which I am guessing installs things into the VBox vdi, and perhaps they do things like map user home folders and host drives back into VirtualBox mapped drives and such. I actually do not think this is a bad idea if that is what they have done and I recall VirtualBox is a GPL licensed vm that runs on all the platforms they speak about running on so it would be possible to do many creative things with it.

  2. uberVU - social comments said,

    January 25, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Social comments and analytics for this post…

    This post was mentioned on Twitter by schestowitz: #Novell Spreads Microsoft Inside #GNU #Linux Whereas #LINA Spreads *NIX Inside #Windows http://ur1.ca/knrm

What Else is New


  1. Links 23/12/2014: Updates on GNU/Linux in China and N. Korea

    Links for the day



  2. Links 22/12/2014: GNU/Linux at Sky News, Another Tizen Camera

    Links for the day



  3. IRC Proceedings: November 30th, 2014 – December 20th, 2014

    Many IRC logs



  4. Links 21/12/2014: China and Linux, GNOME Shell 3.15.3

    Links for the day



  5. The New Age of Games for UNIX/Linux But Not for Windows, Microsoft is Openwashing Windows-Only Games

    The world is moving to GNU- and Linux-powered platforms, so Microsoft withdraws GNU/Linux support from games it buys and starts openwashing its Windows-only games



  6. Microsoft Essentially Sends Malware to Windows and Bricks It

    Microsoft is once again bricking Vista 7, demonstrating lack of reliability or very low quality programming



  7. Microsoft Lays Off Staff, Cheapens Labour as More Companies Are Dumping Microsoft's Lock-in, NSA-Friendly Services, and Windows

    A look at some of Microsoft's latest woes, including an appeal for cheaper labour amid decrease in business



  8. Links 19/12/2014: Robolinux 7.7.1 LXDE, Red Hat Thriving

    Links for the day



  9. Another Microsoft Partner Markets Linux FUD Using Logo, Name, and Lies

    Microsoft's partner Alert Logic is trying to label a feature of Linux a security flaw and even makes marketing buzz for it



  10. Redmonk is Spreading Black Duck's Anti-GPL Talking Points After Payments From Black Duck, Microsoft

    CBS' ZDNet spreads the GNU-hostile narrative which comes from Redmonk, funded by Microsoft and Black Duck, citing Black Duck, which also comes from Microsoft and is a partner of Microsoft



  11. 'Good' Software Patents From EA Show Cases Where DRM is a Patent Infringement

    Where two evils collide the public benefits, or how some software patents discourage the use of DRM



  12. Richard Stallman: What Does It Mean for Your Computer to Be Loyal?

    New article from Richard Stallman



  13. Links 18/12/2014: LinuxQuestions.org Polls, Fedora for POWER

    Links for the day



  14. Links 16/12/2014: Google and ODF, Civilization: Beyond Earth Comes to GNU/Linux

    Links for the day



  15. Bill Gates' Pet Troll Intellectual Ventures is Collapsing as Founder Quits

    Intellectual Ventures founder leaves after an exceptionally large round of layoffs, despite [cref 77299 recent subsidies from Sony and Microsoft]



  16. Keeping Software Patents Out of Europe Following the Demise of Software Patents in the US

    Instability in the EPO seemingly prevents further expansion of patent scope, which is the subject of scrutiny of EPO staff



  17. Links 15/12/2014: OSI 2014 Annual Report, GPLv2 Court Test

    Links for the day



  18. Links 14/12/2014: Calligra 2.9 Beta, Krita 2.9 Beta

    Links for the day



  19. Software Patents Are Dying in the US, But Patent Lawyers Refuse to Admit It

    Patent lawyers continue to distort the reality of software patents' demise in the United States



  20. Links 13/12/2014: Android Wear “Lollipop”, European Commission and FOSS

    Links for the day



  21. Time to Take Microsoft Out of British Aviation Before Planes Crash Into Buildings

    London's mighty Heathrow Airport among those affected by a Microsoft-reliant air traffic control system which is not being able to properly recover from an outage, and not for the first time either



  22. News From France and Germany: Battistelli Under Fire, But Not Fired Yet, Just Firing His Opposition

    The régime headed by Benoît Battistelli and his criminal deputy continues to overthrow or pressure out everyone who is not 'loyal' to the régime



  23. Links 12/12/2014: Linux++, KDE Frameworks 5.5.0, Calligra 2.8.7

    Links for the day



  24. The USPTO is Broken: New Evidence Presented

    The scope of patents, as evidenced by some statistical figures and individual patents, shows that the USPTO is broken and must be reformed or dismantled



  25. US Patent Reform (on Trolls Only) More or Less Buried or Ineffective

    An update on efforts to reform the patent system in the United States, including the possibly imminent appointment of Michelle Lee to USPTO leadership role



  26. Software Patents in Canada Not Dead Yet

    Canada's patent status quo increasingly like that of the United States and Canadian giants like BlackBerry now pose a threat to software developers



  27. Dreaming of a Just Christmas: When a Third of EPO Walks Out to Revolt and European Judges Attack the EPO Over Abuses

    Information about the abuses of Battistelli et al. at the EPO are finally receiving wider coverage and increasing the strain on Battistelli's authoritarian reign



  28. Links 11/12/2014: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.1 Beta, Firefox 35 Plans

    Links for the day



  29. Ubuntu Core Announcement is Not About Microsoft and Hosting Ubuntu on Azure is Worse Than Stupid

    The power of media spin makes the idea of hosting Free software under the control of an NSA PRISM and back doors partner seem alluring



  30. France Gets Involved in Battistelli's Abuses in the EPO - Part XII (Updated)

    The EPO scandal has officially spilled over to France, where a French Senator got involved and starts asking serious questions


CoPilotCo

RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

CoPilotCo

Recent Posts