| twitter | It would be nice if M$ bought all the Linux companies they are ruining. | Aug 15 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure. The important thing at the time (last year) was to warn those who consider selling out. | Aug 15 15:04 |
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| _Doug_ | I do belive that's the long term plan steveO has for Novell .. | Aug 15 15:04 |
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| twitter | Didn't Mepis also take the M$ deal? | Aug 15 15:04 |
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| twitter | They have an ugly MOD to go along with that, if they did. | Aug 15 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | Showing them that Linspire was dying for example (someone told me this privately a long time ago) would have them scared of the 'benefits' of Microsoft 'protection'. | Aug 15 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | MEPIS??? No. | Aug 15 15:05 |
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| _Doug_ | "If a guy walks into a shop and says: 'It's an unsafe neighborhood, why don't you pay me 20 bucks and I'll make sure you're okay,' that's illegal. It's racketeering" | Aug 15 15:06 |
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| _Doug_ | Mark Shuttleworth quote .. | Aug 15 15:06 |
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| twitter | Good. This sort of confirms that. http://www.linux-watch.com/ne... | Aug 15 15:09 |
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| _Doug_ | GPL defended in court | Aug 15 15:09 |
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| twitter | I could swear I read something. | Aug 15 15:10 |
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| _Doug_ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2008081... | Aug 15 15:10 |
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| twitter | Funny, the article I just linked to contains that Shuttleworth quote. | Aug 15 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | Woodford launched his attack on the deal quietly, "I believe that Xandros can do an excellent job of representing Microsoft's interests in the Linux market. And I'm sure that the Xandros VCs are happy with the deal they made with Microsoft." | Aug 15 15:13 |
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| _Doug_ | got to step out , be back in twenty minutes | Aug 15 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | Warming up to his theme, Woodford continued, "So far Microsoft hasn't revealed any legitimate claims of intellectual property infringement. Their strategy appears to be to coerce weak players in the Open Source space to fold. This is reminiscent of the play made by SCO a few years ago, which some say was financed by Microsoft. Maybe that was just their trial run." | Aug 15 15:13 |
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| twitter | It's one thing to say that and another to stick to your guns when offered millions of dollars. | Aug 15 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | But he didn't sell out, did he? | Aug 15 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft paid Novell a third of a billion plus 'benefits' | Aug 15 15:17 |
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| twitter | I can't find anything saying he sold out. | Aug 15 15:18 |
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| twitter | For a while, Mepis had an ugly message of the day about the GPL "oddly" restricting freedom. | Aug 15 15:22 |
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| twitter | It was kind of a shock because the old message was normal and nice, "The Magic of MEPIS TM | Aug 15 15:23 |
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| twitter | Most of the programs included with MEPIS Linux products are freely | Aug 15 15:23 |
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| twitter | redistributable; the exact distribution terms for each program | Aug 15 15:23 |
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| twitter | are described in the individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright | Aug 15 15:23 |
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| twitter | Unless otherwise stated in an official EULA, | Aug 15 15:23 |
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| twitter | MEPIS Linux products come with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, | Aug 15 15:23 |
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| twitter | to the extent permitted by applicable law." | Aug 15 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | With brute force they can market themselves using Malda's /. and then take Asay et al to enough free lunches and trips until they earn seats on the OSI, later to persuade companies to port/optimise for Windows. That may be the plan anyway. | Aug 15 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | Warren seems to be focused on other things these days. He tried building upon Ubuntu, went back to Debian and SJVN is one of the few who give status reports. | Aug 15 15:25 |
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| twitter | Here's the MOD that bugged me, "Many of the programs included with MEPIS Linux products are GPL licensed to | Aug 15 15:28 |
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| twitter | give you the right to use that software but oddly limits your right to share or redistribute the software." | Aug 15 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | What about Vector? http://vectorlinux.com/product... | Aug 15 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Or Linux XP with *chuckle* activation keys. | Aug 15 15:30 |
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| twitter | I don't know about Vector. | Aug 15 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | The marketing people from Microsoft flog vapourware now: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2... The troll that mentioned it, BTW, is definitely one from COLA based on what he said. Gary, Funkenbusch or Scott... Munchkins be damned. | Aug 15 15:33 |
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| MinceR | vector costs too much :> | Aug 15 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | It's not the cost that's a problem. Vector seems like a nice distro and I don't know how redistribution is handled for the paid version. | Aug 15 15:45 |
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| MinceR | well, i can't afford to pay for it if i want to handle support (mostly) myself (and i do) | Aug 15 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | CIOL teaches Linux users how to 'root' their distro. :-( http://www.ciol.com/Developer/Open-Source... | Aug 15 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | I think I've just figured out what messed about with my Perl script the other day. I was doing a quick 'man chown' and got warned about chars. I then realised that my fancy .bashrc may be the cause. I wonder if that stupid fancy stuff is what had me baffled for hours, trying to figure out the weird chars' cause. Default bash doesn't seem to suffer from this. | Aug 15 15:59 |
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| twitter | Glad you figured it out. | Aug 15 16:08 |
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| _Doug | figured what out ? | Aug 15 16:09 |
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| schestowitz | Some character issue in bash. | Aug 15 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't tested it yet. I'll try in the future though. | Aug 15 16:10 |
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| _Doug | man bash .. :) | Aug 15 16:10 |
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| twitter | about ciol, ugh. That's too easy and nasty. | Aug 15 16:12 |
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| twitter | Funny how they used the M$ homepage as a demonstration. It's not like anything else will work. | Aug 15 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | CIOL does a lot of pro-Microsoft coverage, but this isn't a good example of it. Actually, a lot of the Indian press is like that. | Aug 15 16:13 |
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| twitter | Ah, I see you need loonlight first, so it's not like firefox alone does it. | Aug 15 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | Loonlight requires No-no. | Aug 15 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | ISO is rubbing Microsoft's back again. Trying to wash off the corruption... http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-8... | Aug 15 16:40 |
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| twitter | looks | Aug 15 17:05 |
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| schestowitz | Will post it to BN in a moment. | Aug 15 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | Posted. | Aug 15 17:09 |
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| kentma1 | ISO is making no friends at all at the moment. Do they have any relevance left? If they're just going to do what Microsoft says, they serve no purpose at all, and might as well be shut down. | Aug 15 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Some ISO people lefy. | Aug 15 17:16 |
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| kentma1 | Ah, interesting, they invented some new rules in order to do their cover up - isn't corruption great! | Aug 15 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | *left | Aug 15 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Aug 15 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft hired ECMA, which changed the rules on the go to usher OOXML. Amazing, no? | Aug 15 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Even Convenor Alex Brown shuffled the rules to allow OOXML's entry. It's like a circus of corrupt fools. | Aug 15 17:17 |
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| kentma1 | ECMA have always been an industry rubber-stamping body though. ECMA should not be able to submit proposals to ISO, it's a recipe for corruption. | Aug 15 17:17 |
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| trmanco | for how long has the corruption from microsoft been going on? | Aug 15 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | Year+ | Aug 15 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | Prior to ECMA+ISO saga, there was MA. | Aug 15 17:20 |
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| trmanco | ok, I thought it had been going on for a lot longer | Aug 15 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: one of these 'eye on Microsoft' posts made the FP of Free Software Daily, so I might as well continue with it. I'll do another one today. | Aug 15 17:24 |
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| twitter | Just put " ISO Kicks Out Appeals." on firehose. See one other mention that points back to iso pages. | Aug 15 17:26 |
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| twitter | Is there enough news already? Bad M$, bad! | Aug 15 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | The danger is that MSFTers (as one friend of mine calls them) will present this in Slashdot as though ISO and Microsoft are saints. This happened in /. before. Can't recall when or what it was. | Aug 15 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | I can vividly recall Slashdot angering some people by doing the damage control /for/ ISO and Microsoft pretty much. I wish I remembered the details. | Aug 15 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: what do you mean by "enough news"? I'll post links later. Just been busy with some things I hate today... and my neck is still killing me (been injured for almost a week). | Aug 15 17:31 |
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| twitter | The one story I saw was posted at 9AM CST and they were not happy. http://slashdot.org/firehose... | Aug 15 17:31 |
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| twitter | Sorry to hear about the pain in the neck, those are always are a pain in the neck. | Aug 15 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | I don't like the headline. It's also not correct. | Aug 15 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, my pain is a recursive one. | Aug 15 17:33 |
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| twitter | I was wondering what you had dug up since the other day, that's all. | Aug 15 17:33 |
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| twitter | Your pain is a byword for annoyance. | Aug 15 17:33 |
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| twitter | I'll get to see it soon enough :) | Aug 15 17:34 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. Maybe later. I need to talk to my mother again. Family matters are still personal (especially since some trolls bend them to use them against you), but anyway... | Aug 15 17:35 |
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| twitter | Take care of yourself. | Aug 15 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | There's nothing negative about it. I was just explaining the management of time. | Aug 15 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | There are always those 'geniuses' who are suddenly certain about the # of FOSS installations. Here's a new example: . "It has a loyal following. Yet, at the end of the day, it still finds itself being used on a paltry 1-2% of the desktop computer market." http://www.pcmech.com/article/why-lin... | Aug 15 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | That stuff I put in Digg the other day (FP) is used here: http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/08/14/li... "Gartner says that Linux’s market share is 4%, putting it about even with the Mac." | Aug 15 17:45 |
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| MinceR | people should care about the installed base more than the market share. | Aug 15 17:47 |
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| MinceR | (well, obviously not when they're making profits off sold licenses, but afaik installed base is a better indicator of adoption) | Aug 15 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but also about potential and sustainability. Numbers are not the same as power/function or even Freedom. Sacrificing Freedom (free as in libre) for numbers is not winning. | Aug 15 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | In Microsoft's case, everything is counted by IDC and Gartner in terms of revenue (also on servers) because it makes the statistics more favourable to proprietary software. | Aug 15 17:49 |
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| MinceR | yet even IDC and Gartner reveal numbers more favorable than the ones trolls keep quoting :) | Aug 15 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/08/idc... . Gartner might get some angry phonecalls from Ballmer (based on The Register's podcast) for daring to reveal Linux details in a way that's unapproved by the funder (Gates and Microsoft invest in them). | Aug 15 17:52 |
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| MinceR | yeah, Gartner has already lost any credibility with their TCO FUD | Aug 15 17:56 |
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| MinceR | i didn't know about IDC FUD, i'll read up on that | Aug 15 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | If Microsoft puts money on the tables of all the 'talking points' (Oracle does this too, I suspect), then it can police perception. | Aug 15 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | This one from the news shows why they do this and parrot the "1%" big lie: "I've talked to the folks at Nero about their commercial Linux offerings, and they made it clear that Linux needs to be more broadly accepted as a consumer platform before third-party app sales for Linux will take off." ( from http://www.informationweek.com/blog/mai... ) | Aug 15 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: A better post might be this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/15/... | Aug 15 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | Good news. Rambus hits the wstebasket: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer... "And what might those be? Litigation and cry baby tactics against more productive innovative companies that do honest engineering and production work that actually make real products that benefit people. Rambus what is your illness? Go away. " | Aug 15 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | Busted. Another Microsoft AstroTurf agency: http://www.webpronews.com/topnew... | Aug 15 18:23 |
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| twitter | If Garner says 4%, it's at least 8%. | Aug 15 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | I have some refs if you want them... | Aug 15 18:49 |
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| twitter | OK | Aug 15 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/group/comp... | Aug 15 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | The references are below the night, some with highlights using carets. | Aug 15 18:59 |
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| twitter | Thanks. OpenDot has an ISO slam. http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200... | Aug 15 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's nice to see something you can point at and say "watch it. *That's* corruption." | Aug 15 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post something later about the alleged OOXML briberies (of non-profits) in India. Tens of thousands of them... for OOXML. The MD of Microsoft India apparently quit because it this, but now it seems possible that she got fired. Microsoft India committed lots of other jaw-dropping crimes. I just need to align the evidnece better. | Aug 15 19:06 |
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| schestowitz | Here is a perfect and timely example that's both a criticism of CIOL *and* Gartner (Frost and Sullivan are the same time of medal-for-money operation in India): http://www.ciol.com/News/News-Rep... | Aug 15 19:12 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, oh btw..fedora 10 also has no mono on livecd..9 didn't either but I have no idea about dvd | Aug 15 19:15 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, not sure whats up with this as I dont recall seeing any recent postings from redhat/fedora bout this, but its a nice trend anyway ;-0 | Aug 15 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. Yes, we looked at F9. | Aug 15 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | Some people who liked Mono used as an excuse the volatility of a live CD (why take notes?), but the same goes for anything with a "save" function. | Aug 15 19:17 |
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| neighborlee | I was appauled to hear about kde issues and mono..I really had feeling day would come though | Aug 15 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | In the cade of Debian, the explanation was that Mono was a "large package", but they also considered the fact that it's controversial when they left it out by default. | Aug 15 19:17 |
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| neighborlee | you know, I never use such things, I think its more of a fast trend LOL | Aug 15 19:17 |
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| neighborlee | I use windows alot lately, and it has no tomboy stuff as default , and somehow I get by just fine ,,I use wordpad or such if I really need to take a note..I dont get his note fascination := | Aug 15 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | I use Kate. | Aug 15 19:19 |
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| neighborlee | yeah | Aug 15 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | It has 'tabs' (not really tabs) | Aug 15 19:19 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, so its it really trrue, kde is really starting to embrace mono currently ? | Aug 15 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | It put hooks in there. Richard Dale does the bindings, but he's just that maintainer. | Aug 15 19:20 |
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| neighborlee | ah ok | Aug 15 19:20 |
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| neighborlee | heh | Aug 15 19:20 |
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| neighborlee | most kde devs dont want if as I recall | Aug 15 19:21 |
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| neighborlee | s/if/it | Aug 15 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Someone accused him of being a Microsoft mole: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0... | Aug 15 19:21 |
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| neighborlee | I suspect most that support mono in linux, are some form of a mole LOL..honestly it just doesnt make much sense to me. | Aug 15 19:22 |
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| neighborlee | but now with java free maybe it wont matter soon, we'll see I guess.... | Aug 15 19:23 |
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| neighborlee | Ive been against mono for a very long time , before much of this errupted ;)...I saw a snake coming long ago .- | Aug 15 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, long ago. http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/mono | Aug 15 19:27 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Aug 15 19:31 |
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| neighborlee | I read that a year + ago | Aug 15 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: I am going to blog what you told me about F10. How sure are you about it? | Aug 15 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | Got a screenshot maybe? I have some screenshots of F10 I can find actually... | Aug 15 19:31 |
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| neighborlee | I can get you one no problemo ;) | Aug 15 19:32 |
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| neighborlee | I am positive | Aug 15 19:32 |
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| neighborlee | no fspot, tomboy etc. | Aug 15 19:32 |
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| neighborlee | and def. no beagle that I saw | Aug 15 19:32 |
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| neighborlee | im happy to boot into livecd right now and get you one if you like | Aug 15 19:32 |
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| neighborlee | its alpha 10livecd | Aug 15 19:32 |
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| neighborlee | ok , Ill brb then | Aug 15 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | It seems to be on the permanent install... http://gnuman.com/screens... | Aug 15 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | Index here: http://gnuman.com/screenshots.html?gi... | Aug 15 19:33 |
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| twitter | Slashdot has lame coverage of the story. http://it.slashdot.org/articl... | Aug 15 19:37 |
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| twitter | The ISO Story. | Aug 15 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | " Not subscriber, or not subscribed page" | Aug 15 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | I saw it earlier anyway. Stupid headline. | Aug 15 19:39 |
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| twitter | Yeah, someone keeps me subscribed to Slashdot. Nice of them. | Aug 15 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | Did they change the headline? | Aug 15 19:42 |
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| twitter | They are pointing to http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/0... | Aug 15 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | They link directly to Microsoft's ammunition, which they'll rave about no doubt (for marketing purposes). | Aug 15 19:42 |
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| twitter | Headline is hard for me to cut and paste .... | Aug 15 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Gosh, Slashdot used to have guts. It's so spineless now. | Aug 15 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | SJVN suggested to me that I contact Linux.com to write for them. But they do Microsoft ads (that's why I stopped with Jupitermedia for now) and journalism is slow, unlike blogging, which is more effective at delivering messages. | Aug 15 19:44 |
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| twitter | Got the first post, watch the munkins eat it. | Aug 15 19:45 |
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| twitter | Headline is just as spineless as the article, "ISO Rejects OOXML Protest Appeals" | Aug 15 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Another troll for your mental list: Charles Cooper. he used to write less before the ZDNet editor came to CNET and he trolls in the headlines endlessly. | Aug 15 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | CNET and ZDNet are no more 'news source' than your average blog. People just use these to market themselves. | Aug 15 19:46 |
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| schestowitz | Let's see what GL wrote. | Aug 15 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/art... (haven't read it yet) | Aug 15 19:48 |
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| neighborlee | ok I have one, ill upload somewhere , one moment | Aug 15 19:48 |
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| neighborlee | ill grab one from packagekit showing a search for mono returning nothing,,one sec | Aug 15 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://homembit.com/2008/08/openx... and http://www.consortiuminfo.org/stand... | Aug 15 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | That would be great, thanks neighborlee. | Aug 15 19:49 |
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| trmanco | http://www.groklaw.net/art... | Aug 15 19:50 |
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| trmanco | oops | Aug 15 19:51 |
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| trmanco | I didn't notice that the link you sent was the same as mine :| | Aug 15 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | That's cool. It's new and I visited Groklaw just minuted after it had been published, by coincidence. | Aug 15 19:53 |
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| twitter | Me too. I figured they would have a good write up and it was OK. The EU anti-trust bit is good and they laugh about the standard being impossible to implement. | Aug 15 19:58 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, http://imagebin.org/24331 | Aug 15 19:58 |
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| twitter | Is it true that the UK is about to make copyright almost as draconian as it is in the US, where people can lose their houses for sharing files? http://slashdot.org/fir... | Aug 15 19:58 |
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| twitter | Nice flower. | Aug 15 20:00 |
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| neighborlee | heh thx ;) | Aug 15 20:00 |
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| neighborlee | its the gardener in me..Im a landscaper by trade ;) | Aug 15 20:00 |
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| twitter | :) | Aug 15 20:00 |
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| neighborlee | next shot ill get of menu open, showing no fspot, with gthumb in its place. | Aug 15 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | Tanks, neighborlee. | Aug 15 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Aug 15 20:02 |
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| neighborlee | np | Aug 15 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going to post something later about Microsoft and 'piracy'. | Aug 15 20:04 |
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| neighborlee | http://imagebin.org/24332 | Aug 15 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Excellent. | Aug 15 20:05 |
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| twitter | I like flowers and have lots of pictures of them. Roy, if you found my CV you can find my flowers. You, like everyone else, are welcome to use them for non commercial purposes. | Aug 15 20:05 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, the worst imho, - or at least one of the worst is the piracy against their own people with 'vista ready' lol..remember that whole mess ?? ;) | Aug 15 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.in-forum.com/art... | Aug 15 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft loves piracy, provided you're poor and won't pay anyway. But it whines anyone and punished the very same people who make Windows and Office widespread and thus the 'de facto standard'. It's insulting. | Aug 15 20:08 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Aug 15 20:09 |
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| neighborlee | oh btw mono isn't installed by default either | Aug 15 20:10 |
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| neighborlee | I can get that screenie if you want as well | Aug 15 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | *"whine and punished" (sorry about all those typos) | Aug 15 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Should say "But it whines anyway and punishes..." | Aug 15 20:11 |
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| neighborlee | its ok I got the idea just fine | Aug 15 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: that's excellent. I'll resize the pictures later (linking to full-sized versions) and post this for future reference. It'll be valuable. Fedora also rejects Moonlight. | Aug 15 20:12 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Aug 15 20:12 |
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| neighborlee | I also follow ubuntu threads about mono..is repulsing what mono supporters try to get away with :)) | Aug 15 20:12 |
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| neighborlee | Im keeping them honest :) | Aug 15 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Do you know why they accepted Mono in the first place? [H]omer did some studying and found out that it's because"everyone was doing it", so it must be 'safe' | Aug 15 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Time to go the other way and make Mono (Novell/Microsoft) cleanup fashionable. "Why remove Mono?" "Because everyone is doing it, so it's safe to say it's 'unsafe' now". | Aug 15 20:13 |
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| neighborlee | yes Iread that on your site | Aug 15 20:13 |
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| neighborlee | I was astonished | Aug 15 20:13 |
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| neighborlee | LOL | Aug 15 20:14 |
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| neighborlee | I like :)) | Aug 15 20:14 |
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| neighborlee | brb | Aug 15 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | There are Microsoft boosters that will mock Java and call . NET the second coming. They are not necessarily Linux users. They defend the monopoly. Grassroots. | Aug 15 20:14 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know what Mono looked like when it was just Ximian. Were they close to Microsoft? I don't know. But there was _NO_ covenant with a Mono deal. Microsoft execs now admit this too. And Novell called Ximian a "Red carpet" (to Microsoft). | Aug 15 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | Ah!! Gotcha!! Bill Snyder is a Microsoft shareholder!! http://weblog.infoworld.com/tech-bo... (See bottom). That's the guy who keeps slamming open source in public, even in Slashdot quite recently. He's kiting his stock, I reckon. | Aug 15 20:17 |
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| neighborlee | well considering dear Miguel came from M$,,who the heck knows ;) | Aug 15 20:20 |
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| neighborlee | gnome might have been started as afront to kde, but who knows at the core what was going on..the whole thing stinks to me. | Aug 15 20:21 |
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| neighborlee | however, nothing prevents anyone from forking..im considering doing just that. | Aug 15 20:21 |
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| neighborlee | I love gnome, but im sick of the nonsense., | Aug 15 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | Okay, to just make it clear, Miguel worked on UNIX, not Microsoft, but he did for an interview at Microsoft. | Aug 15 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | I think he worked on some browser-related things and he wanted a job at Microsoft. He got rejected by them and shortly afterwards he began GNOME. While at Microsoft he fell in love with ActiveX (no, seriously). As for the latter, well... only recently I studies who Stormy Peters is. | Aug 15 20:24 |
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| neighborlee | http://imagebin.org/24336 | Aug 15 20:24 |
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| neighborlee | add-remove showing no mono ^ | Aug 15 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | IIRC, she sort of cofounded GNOME with Miguel or was at least there from the start. She now works at a company that gets Microsoft sponsorship, her CEO is a former Microsoft employee, her blogroll has Microsoft employees in it and she's in H-P (*sough cough* big Microsoft buddies). So... I don't trust her leading GNOME. | Aug 15 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, I've resixed some images and will post about this shortly. | Aug 15 20:25 |
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| neighborlee | ok kewl, np. | Aug 15 20:25 |
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| neighborlee | I thought I read he worked for M$ ? | Aug 15 20:25 |
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| neighborlee | if not I misread something ;),,but anyway | Aug 15 20:26 |
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| trmanco | http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/s... | Aug 15 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | Good links, thanks. Haven't seen it yet. | Aug 15 20:27 |
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| neighborlee | ok im confused..so he worked on UNIX,,not at M$, but you later say , while he was at Miccrosoft..im very confused ;) | Aug 15 20:27 |
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| neighborlee | oh my gosh..not the olympics too! | Aug 15 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | I'd have to find the details. I think he was porting some browser technology to UNIX platforms. | Aug 15 20:29 |
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| neighborlee | silverlight at olympics..nasty nasty | Aug 15 20:29 |
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| neighborlee | but of course..its bejing! | Aug 15 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | (In Mexico) | Aug 15 20:29 |
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| neighborlee | AHHH | Aug 15 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the Wikipedia article (grain of salt). It's all from memory... | Aug 15 20:29 |
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| neighborlee | ok kewl np | Aug 15 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | For some reason I think McBride here... hold on while I digg something up... | Aug 15 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | *dig | Aug 15 20:30 |
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| neighborlee | digg works too <G> | Aug 15 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | Ah! Found it. | Aug 15 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | FSDaily compared de Icaza to McBride, but I remember writing about it long ago. Here it is: http://boycottnovell.com/2007... | Aug 15 20:31 |
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| neighborlee | dain M$ supporters, they always try to change the target | Aug 15 20:39 |
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| neighborlee | like sayingif we remove mono, what about M$ double click patent | Aug 15 20:40 |
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| neighborlee | of which I know zero about | Aug 15 20:40 |
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| neighborlee | can you help with this so I can reply ? | Aug 15 20:40 |
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| neighborlee | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread... | Aug 15 20:40 |
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| neighborlee | oh wait..what the heck..there is no patent number assigned o_0 | Aug 15 20:42 |
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| neighborlee | Filed: July 12, 2002, but nothing assigned. | Aug 15 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Ir wouldn't stand in court. Too controversial and easy to shoot down. See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/... | Aug 15 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Here you have the same situation described and the way to rebut. | Aug 15 20:42 |
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| neighborlee | you mean double click right? | Aug 15 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Others too. On Microsoft patents: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/1... (links at the bottom) http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10... | Aug 15 20:44 |
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| neighborlee | ok thx | Aug 15 20:44 |
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| neighborlee | These guys dont do their homework , before posting on forums do they ;) | Aug 15 20:45 |
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| neighborlee | also I noticed, this directhex guy, other than ONE other topic, has only posted on nono thread :).. go figya ;) | Aug 15 20:46 |
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| neighborlee | most of his posts are on mono thread ;) | Aug 15 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | Same in Brainstorm I hear. Microsoft can game its competitors by messing about with bug reports and polls. | Aug 15 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft was caught gaming polls before (e.g. against Java). The man who warned me about this is a professor who know that stuff. | Aug 15 20:48 |
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| neighborlee | ahhhh | Aug 15 20:48 |
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| neighborlee | I suspected as much anyway | Aug 15 20:48 |
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| neighborlee | I noted that before, on a earlier remove mono poll in ubuntu forum, that it was 60remove to 40 keep.. | Aug 15 20:49 |
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| neighborlee | now, this new poll is going the opposite way. | Aug 15 20:49 |
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| neighborlee | interesting huh | Aug 15 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | In open source communities, there are no recruitments and background checks. Merely anyone can stop by and influence decisions! It's 'insiding'. | Aug 15 20:49 |
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| neighborlee | however, the new poll isnt in genreal thread, its in a place most users wont even see it..thats the new ubuntu strategy | Aug 15 20:50 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, yup true | Aug 15 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | What's at stake here is important because Microsoft wants to plant a Trojan in its #1 rival *and* promote .NET at Java's expense. | Aug 15 20:50 |
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| neighborlee | yup | Aug 15 20:50 |
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| neighborlee | thankfully redhat, and now fedora finally woke the heck up | Aug 15 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | They have tried doing this for a decade, without success. .NET is nowhere on the net. Almost nowhere... | Aug 15 20:51 |
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| neighborlee | good deal | Aug 15 20:51 |
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| neighborlee | well now with java free ( I think), .net might have very small traction | Aug 15 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | Java and LAMP/Ajax still reign. With the NBC deal, they try to reverse this too, but it's another story. | Aug 15 20:52 |
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| neighborlee | hm | Aug 15 20:52 |
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| twitter | http://en.wikipedia.org/w... ? | Aug 15 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, I haven't read enough about it at the time because I was in a hurry (time pressure) | Aug 15 20:54 |
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| neighborlee | hmm | Aug 15 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | I see at least 4 Microsofties in her blogroll: [News] Demo of Linux and X Running on Nintendo Wii | Aug 15 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. Here: http://www.openlogic.co... | Aug 15 20:56 |
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| *neighborlee has wii,and totally loves wiitennis ;) | Aug 15 21:00 |
| neighborlee | and wiifit now haha | Aug 15 21:00 |
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| neighborlee | I h ave played wii far more than any other console to date..though ps2 was only one I ever h ad honestly ;)) | Aug 15 21:00 |
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| neighborlee | but still,,bought wii last year and wiitennis still isn't old to me ;).. | Aug 15 21:00 |
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| neighborlee | but anyway | Aug 15 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | I had this in my klipper: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/wii-l... | Aug 15 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | I want to go back to playing tennis some day. I gacve my best racket to my brother. :-(( | Aug 15 21:01 |
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| neighborlee | bad schestowitz :) | Aug 15 21:06 |
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| neighborlee | well ive played since I was like 16 | Aug 15 21:06 |
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| neighborlee | loved it then still do ;) | Aug 15 21:06 |
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| neighborlee | then I had a less known wood racket,,now I have graphite prince that I just love | Aug 15 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | I started when I was 15, but stopped when I finished University. | Aug 15 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | I blame the Internet!!!111 | Aug 15 21:07 |
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| neighborlee | heh | Aug 15 21:14 |
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| twitter | Here's an irritating Slashdot article http://tech.slashdot.org/articl... | Aug 15 21:14 |
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| neighborlee | well its hot here,,I should powerdown, give computer a chance not to overheat ;) | Aug 15 21:14 |
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| neighborlee | glad to help..and ill see you all latre ;)() | Aug 15 21:14 |
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| twitter | why do they boost mythTV on non free platforms? | Aug 15 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | I can't see the article yet. What's it about? " Not subscriber, or not subscribed page" | Aug 15 21:16 |
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| twitter | Sorry, look again. | Aug 15 21:18 |
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| twitter | It's about mythTV on Windows and Mac. | Aug 15 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Id1ots. They also aired all those articles about Linux users moving to Macs and .NET attracting developers. Who's making selections? And is the 'community' still the same? | Aug 15 21:19 |
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| twitter | That's nice and all, but it's been ages since they mentioned MythTV. You would think there were better things to talk about than a Windows port. | Aug 15 21:19 |
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| twitter | My brother told me that readership is actually down. No surprise there. | Aug 15 21:20 |
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| twitter | People did not go to Slashdot to keep up with M$ Products. | Aug 15 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Watch this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05... | Aug 15 21:21 |
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| twitter | Oh well, I first posted it again. :) | Aug 15 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, Slashdor goes down fast. | Aug 15 21:21 |
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| twitter | looking | Aug 15 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | It has gone on for a while. When I hit Digg's FP the traffic is like 3-4 times higher. | Aug 15 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's not just MS products, twitter, it's also a lot of dross and it's hardly tech. Same with Digg (post 2006) | Aug 15 21:22 |
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| twitter | I enjoy YRO. Like RMS says, you can ignore politics but politics won't ignore you. | Aug 15 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I like that one too. Astronomy I care about less. The likelihood of colonies outside Earth is slim. | Aug 15 21:24 |
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| twitter | Still, YOU manage to find good free software articles. Slashdot should too. | Aug 15 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | What do the editors use? | Aug 15 21:25 |
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| twitter | Slim only in our life time. I'd prefer the US spent it's money on that than wars. | Aug 15 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | I know about Roblimo, but was asked to keep my mouth shut. | Aug 15 21:25 |
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| twitter | Use for what? | Aug 15 21:26 |
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| twitter | Their desktops? | Aug 15 21:26 |
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| twitter | I don't know. | Aug 15 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, like those Dana Blankenhorn-type WIndows users who write about FOSS for years and 'open source' people whose whole life is Mac, DRM, and iPhones. They don't do as they preach. Hypocrisy and opportunism with FOSS. I don't want to point fingers. :-) | Aug 15 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | Many people who write about Linux are not Linux users. | Aug 15 21:28 |
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| twitter | That's a shame. | Aug 15 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | Moreover, many who write about FOSS couldn't care less about Freedom and penetration of FOSS. They are after ad revenue. | Aug 15 21:29 |
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| twitter | That's why I don't read much of what they write. | Aug 15 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | But /who/? Do you know who to skip? I made an Index < http://boycottnovell.com/credibility-index/ > to help others. Someone asked me to make it. | Aug 15 21:31 |
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| twitter | Nice but it's time for a break. | Aug 15 21:31 |
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| twitter | I'll check it later, thanks. | Aug 15 21:32 |
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| twitter | I'm back. | Aug 15 23:19 |
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| twitter | Want to see a nice piece of net stalking? | Aug 15 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, definitely. I want o document such phenomena too. | Aug 15 23:20 |
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| twitter | This one is personal and not one I'd like to call attention to. | Aug 15 23:22 |
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| twitter | my trolls on Slashdot like to out me as BRLUG member Will Hill. That's not something I will confirm or deny. | Aug 15 23:23 |
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| twitter | They also identify my accounts on the first few posts. They got my GNUChop today and replied to it by cut and pasting a brlug comment. | Aug 15 23:24 |
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| twitter | compare http://mail.brlug.net/pipermail/ge... | Aug 15 23:24 |
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| twitter | to http://slashdot.org/comments.pl... | Aug 15 23:25 |
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| twitter | Nasty, isn't it? | Aug 15 23:25 |
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| twitter | If what they say is true they can only know it by monitoring all of my traffic. | Aug 15 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I see now. BTW, what happened to the BN link here? <p><img src="http://boycottnovell.com/wp-con..." border="0" align="left" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="ISO in money" /> | Aug 15 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | I mean here < http://slashdot.org/comments.pl... > at the top? | Aug 15 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: I saw this before. The trolls in COLA do this too. They sort of 'shadow' my activity in blogs and sites. They even pull things on the Web that I wrote years ago. | Aug 15 23:28 |
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| twitter | Oh, I must have missed that too. Sorry. | Aug 15 23:29 |
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| twitter | I saw that I messed one of the links up but not both. | Aug 15 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | At one point they tried to identify anonymous stuff as belonging to me. Now, apart from the weirdness of this, I can't help but wonder why someone would spend so much time just net stalking,. People have better things to do with their lives, no? | Aug 15 23:30 |
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| twitter | It's rather amazing the resources devoted to trolling isn't it? It's like someone's full time job. | Aug 15 23:30 |
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| twitter | Or a lot of people's full time jobs. | Aug 15 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Did you see my latest post. Watch it now. | Aug 15 23:31 |
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| twitter | I noticed and journaled this years ago. http://slashdot.org/~... | Aug 15 23:32 |
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| twitter | going to look | Aug 15 23:32 |
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| twitter | Don't forget that Chinese net cleansing link. | Aug 15 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it's cited back. It was included in the last post. When we accumulate enough agencies (I have almost 8), then I'll build an index. | Aug 15 23:37 |
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| twitter | The more they pull this shit, the more angry people like us they will make. | Aug 15 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but it's equally important to get the word out. Just putting that stuff on the Web doesn't mean it reaches people's attention. | Aug 15 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, that troll who was here earlier was definitely someone from USENET who came here to haunt us. He gave it away at the end and he did this over a month ago when Tor was permitted. | Aug 15 23:38 |
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| twitter | People get the word the way both you and I did. You need to get things done and someone who knows free software shows you how. | Aug 15 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Another publisher has just invited me for an interview. Cool. | Aug 15 23:39 |
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| twitter | It only takes one or two successes to pull the blinders of your eyes. | Aug 15 23:40 |
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| twitter | Have fun with the interview! | Aug 15 23:40 |
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| twitter | :) | Aug 15 23:40 |
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| twitter | dinner time for me. | Aug 15 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | Make sure you keep those stories you tell documented so that you can point t them as evidence. Someone once told me I should do this for legal reasons. | Aug 15 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | I'll catch you later. | Aug 15 23:41 |
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