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| schestowitz | Android is coming.. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/0... | Aug 19 06:00 |
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| windotexe | C: dot run | Aug 19 11:08 |
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| windotexe | say hello | Aug 19 11:09 |
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| windotexe | hello | Aug 19 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there. | Aug 19 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | What's up? | Aug 19 11:09 |
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| windotexe | i am friend | Aug 19 11:09 |
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| windotexe | you can call me windot | Aug 19 11:09 |
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| windotexe | im running windows | Aug 19 11:09 |
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| windotexe | i just installed it | Aug 19 11:09 |
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| windotexe | its vista ultimate | Aug 19 11:09 |
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| windotexe | hav you tried it | Aug 19 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | Why are you on Tor? | Aug 19 11:10 |
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| windotexe | how come you ask | Aug 19 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | I think you're trolling. | Aug 19 11:10 |
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| windotexe | nuh uh | Aug 19 11:10 |
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| windotexe | why you dun like windows? | Aug 19 11:10 |
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| windotexe | thats how i get all the cool trojans | Aug 19 11:11 |
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| windotexe | just the other day i got a trojan which took over my system | Aug 19 11:11 |
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| windotexe | my cdrom tray kept popping out | Aug 19 11:12 |
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| windotexe | i laughed it was soo funny | Aug 19 11:12 |
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| windotexe | i love this fun game windows | Aug 19 11:12 |
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| windotexe | nothing like it it gets all the trojans | Aug 19 11:12 |
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| windotexe | i try rootkit next | Aug 19 11:12 |
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| windotexe | i want magic lantern too | Aug 19 11:12 |
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| windotexe | i want all the SECRET rootkits | Aug 19 11:12 |
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| windotexe | the ones they dont reveal | Aug 19 11:12 |
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| windotexe | have you tried this windows vista ultimate? | Aug 19 11:12 |
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| windotexe | it is like nothing ive ever tried | Aug 19 11:13 |
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| windotexe | i have question schestowitz | Aug 19 11:13 |
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| windotexe | a question for you | Aug 19 11:13 |
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| windotexe | can u take my question | Aug 19 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | Sure. | Aug 19 11:14 |
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| windotexe | good | Aug 19 11:14 |
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| windotexe | my friend has windows and linux installed | Aug 19 11:14 |
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| windotexe | he tell me not to do it | Aug 19 11:14 |
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| windotexe | he says he found a microsoft update which backdoored his linux | Aug 19 11:14 |
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| windotexe | is this possible | Aug 19 11:14 |
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| windotexe | if you dont know, how do you find out | Aug 19 11:15 |
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| windotexe | meaning, how what do you look for | Aug 19 11:15 |
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| windotexe | my friend wont tell me how he found it | Aug 19 11:15 |
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| windotexe | but he had to reformat the drive | Aug 19 11:15 |
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| windotexe | he not use windows he told me to not use it too | Aug 19 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | You can ask in a technical forum although your situation is fictitious. | Aug 19 11:16 |
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| windotexe | not in dual boot | Aug 19 11:16 |
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| windotexe | because it backdoored his linux | Aug 19 11:16 |
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| windotexe | why are you saying fictitious | Aug 19 11:16 |
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| windotexe | he said it mounted his linux drive and inserted a rootkit | Aug 19 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | Because you have been here before (via Tor) just to troll. | Aug 19 11:16 |
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| windotexe | so everytime he booted windows it would load the linux drive | Aug 19 11:16 |
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| windotexe | no i have not been here | Aug 19 11:16 |
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| windotexe | why is this not possible | Aug 19 11:17 |
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| schestowitz | Why do you ask *here*? This is off topic and you know it. | Aug 19 11:17 |
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| windotexe | why cant i ask here | Aug 19 11:17 |
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| windotexe | is this a secret channel? | Aug 19 11:17 |
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| windotexe | only secret people in hats? | Aug 19 11:17 |
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| windotexe | i want a hat | Aug 19 11:17 |
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| windotexe | and a secret badge | Aug 19 11:17 |
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| *schestowitz removes voice from windotexe | Aug 19 11:17 |
| windotexe | i be cool too | Aug 19 11:17 |
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| windotexe | hip and all that | Aug 19 11:17 |
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| trmanco | what TOR? | Aug 19 11:21 |
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| trmanco | what is* | Aug 19 11:21 |
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| pcole | Is this (windotexe) a common thing? | Aug 19 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's a means of anonymity. This prep was here before. He's harassing me and others in other places also. | Aug 19 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | pcole: we used to black Tor connections because many trolls came from there. But a few regulars prefer Tor, so the ban was removed. | Aug 19 11:22 |
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| pcole | I was running tor for a while, when using this box at work, then stopped it. It got in the way. | Aug 19 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | That troll IMed (in the IRC sense) me too. Obviously someone who has smeared me before with libel... | Aug 19 11:28 |
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| pcole | Grandpa was always harping on me to live a life of integrity, no matter what it cost. Never hide, take responsibility and accountability for what you do. So using tor kind've bothered me and made me feel uneasy. | Aug 19 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | Web anonymity is dead anyway. I never bothered. Those who bother get unmasked sooner or latrer. | Aug 19 11:37 |
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| pcole | Any chance of Neelie Kroes doing something concerning ISO29500? | Aug 19 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | They still investigate. They took evidence, but I think that a fine is the best they can inflict. They probably can't retract that ISO rubber stamp. | Aug 19 11:56 |
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| pcole | A fine would deter a normal individual; not a corp. that almost prints money. Has any state considered an embargo? | Aug 19 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. | Aug 19 12:05 |
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| schestowitz | Europe said it would be OK to ban Microsoft shall a government seek such action, but it's an open door rather than call for action. | Aug 19 12:05 |
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| kentma | ISO - the stamp of corruption. | Aug 19 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | Well, just look at it. It says it all: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-... | Aug 19 12:22 |
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| trmanco | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?sto... | Aug 19 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. I knew it wasn't final, but ISO is still too corrupt (self defensive) to leave hopes hanging. | Aug 19 12:29 |
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| pcole | I saw that 3 of the appellants are members of the council (Brazil, India & South Africa), but wasn't Malaysia against ISO29500? | Aug 19 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | I think it was at the end. There were some reports on it abstaining. But it's migrating to ODF noiw | Aug 19 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | The longer the limbo goes on for, the better. Non-techies start to realise that there's something very dodgy there and they inquire. | Aug 19 12:42 |
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| pcole | So instead of abstaining it might join in the appeal? | Aug 19 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, it has time too. Councils that moved to OOo/ODF can support such a move | Aug 19 12:43 |
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| pcole | So there's light at the end of the tunnel; does Jomar Silva know about the Malaysian move to ODF? | Aug 19 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | He should. Unless he's not following the news, which I doubt. Leave a comment in his blog, show him the GL article. | Aug 19 12:49 |
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| pcole | I saw that Graucho already did. | Aug 19 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | Does he have a Web site? | Aug 19 12:52 |
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| pcole | Who has? | Aug 19 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | Graucho?? | Aug 19 12:54 |
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| pcole | No, he's one of those hackers on the net. I've been in contact with him through email though. _xiso@hotmail.com. | Aug 19 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see. Well, anything or anyone that can rock the ISO-Microsoft love boat... | Aug 19 12:58 |
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| twitter | That ZDNet Skype story should be taken with a big grain of salt. It's not free software, so anything is possible but ZDNet is suspect. | Aug 19 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | How so? Jamie seems like a nice guy (based on all his previous posts that I read), but ZDNet's affiliation is suspect. | Aug 19 17:56 |
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| twitter | That affiliation is powerful enough to overcome the best of authors. Editorial oversight eliminates things that are off message and will promote things that are on. | Aug 19 18:05 |
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| twitter | As you noticed, every journalist has their M$ file and handlers. | Aug 19 18:06 |
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| twitter | I don't use Skype, but you can imagine M$ likes bad news about Skype. This article has a "whisper campaign" feel to it. There's more supposition than facts and it's damaging. | Aug 19 18:08 |
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| MinceR | well, skype is evil anyway | Aug 19 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | I am not a fan of Skype, but is Microsoft's Unified Comms a rival? | Aug 19 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | I betcha Skype has back door just like Windows. It's a govt' requirement. Here are my refs: | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Skype won't say if it decrypts VoIP calls - http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index... | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Backdoor in Skype? We need an open-source replacement - http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/5472 | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Speculation over back door in Skype - http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Spe... | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Open Source Skype Scuppered - http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200... | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Compressed VoIP leaves eavesdropping clues - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/23/... | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Pirate Bay bitchslaps Swedish law with SSL - http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Why are European governments able to do more for less when it comes to National Security? - http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/g... | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Skype: We can't comply with police wiretap requests - http://news.cnet.com/8301-... | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Beware of Skype - http://www.freesoftwaremaga... | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Why proprietary code is bad for security - http://wolfgang.lonien.de/?p=394 | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Cryptome: NSA has access to Windows Mobile smartphones - http://blogs.securiteam.com/in... | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Dual_EC_DRBG Added to Windows Vista - http://www.schneier.com/blog/arc... | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| MinceR | skype is in itself a backdoor | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| MinceR | the code, the protocol and all its network traffic is carefully hidden from the user | Aug 19 18:17 |
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| MinceR | people should learn how to set up their routers and use SIP. | Aug 19 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | It's just like standard telephones. Snoops are normal. | Aug 19 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | Orders for half a million snoops in UK in the past year alone, IIRC. | Aug 19 18:19 |
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| MinceR | it isn't just snooping, it's creating an opportunity to run any code on your computer without your knowledge or agreement | Aug 19 18:20 |
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| MinceR | with network access | Aug 19 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Aug 19 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it's not much of a spooks' addon and Windows and OS X then.. | Aug 19 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Same with SUSE I suspect. The NSA messes about with SUSE as well. | Aug 19 18:22 |
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| PetoKraus | lol just reading about the... crap... with appeals | Aug 19 19:37 |
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| PetoKraus | that's mind boggling | Aug 19 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw's or ours? | Aug 19 19:39 |
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| PetoKraus | well, i am reading your article | Aug 19 19:39 |
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| PetoKraus | iso-pegged-its-own-vote | Aug 19 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, *that*. Heads, I win; tails, you lose. | Aug 19 19:40 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Aug 19 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | That in its own right should make Bryden blush. What a bunch of arrogant suits. | Aug 19 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | Good news: http://commit-digest.org/issu... No commits from Richard Dale, no progression of Mono/C# in KDE. Maybe someone is on vacation. | Aug 19 19:42 |
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| PetoKraus | hehe, that british crap shower/summary post | Aug 19 19:43 |
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| PetoKraus | haha! | Aug 19 19:43 |
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| PetoKraus | championing open standards- yeah fucking sure!!!1 | Aug 19 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe they talked about football. :-) | Aug 19 19:43 |
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| PetoKraus | well, i don't know | Aug 19 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | absurd | Aug 19 19:44 |
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| PetoKraus | didn't know about M$ holding ipv6, tho | Aug 19 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, shoot. I forgot to mention National Archives. Another one besieged and owned by Microsoft... | Aug 19 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | I've just seen an article about that in iTWire | Aug 19 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | My source for the IPv6 post should know. | Aug 19 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | He was "in dialog with FUNET about beginning IPv6 usage in spite of the presence of MSFTers in our network support unit". | Aug 19 19:46 |
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| PetoKraus | yes. yes. | Aug 19 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | There's s*loads of article ATM about the leak from Dell. Ubuntu on the sub-notebooks... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200... | Aug 19 19:47 |
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| PetoKraus | that kernel post... great | Aug 19 19:47 |
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| schestowitz | Which kernel post? | Aug 19 19:48 |
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| PetoKraus | ubuntu.sg | Aug 19 19:48 |
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| PetoKraus | linux is not os | Aug 19 19:48 |
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| MinceR | in at least one sense, it is :> | Aug 19 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | Ah.. welll... I took ubuntu.sg down the other day. Front page in Digg that it couldn't handle. :-) | Aug 19 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | I might make 2 front pages in Digg tonight. Proportional for the GNU.. showing how pretty it is. | Aug 19 19:49 |
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| PetoKraus | MinceR: well, it depends on nomenclature really | Aug 19 19:49 |
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| PetoKraus | though i always say i use gentoo linux | Aug 19 19:50 |
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| MinceR | that's one way it can be | Aug 19 19:50 |
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| MinceR | the other is if we argue that the parts outside the kernel aren't really the OS | Aug 19 19:51 |
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| MinceR | (since that border is kind of fuzzy anyway) | Aug 19 19:51 |
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| PetoKraus | well, yes. | Aug 19 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | You could just say your computer runs Free software... though Linux is 'the' recognised brand name now... if not Ubuntu | Aug 19 19:51 |
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| PetoKraus | though bootloader, HAL&stuff, ALSA... and those things | Aug 19 19:52 |
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| PetoKraus | init system | Aug 19 19:52 |
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| PetoKraus | are definitely part of any OS... (or alternatives) | Aug 19 19:52 |
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| PetoKraus | and they are not a kernel. | Aug 19 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | "GNU is Not Linux" or "GNU system" works better as an umbrella. I mean, isn't the GPL a unifying umbrella anyway? | Aug 19 19:53 |
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| PetoKraus | gnu is not unix | Aug 19 19:54 |
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| MinceR | the GPL isn't | Aug 19 19:54 |
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| PetoKraus | ;) | Aug 19 19:54 |
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| MinceR | many parts of current GNU/Linux systems aren't GPL-ed | Aug 19 19:54 |
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| PetoKraus | many linux distributions aren't gpl-ed | Aug 19 19:54 |
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| PetoKraus | splashtop, for example. | Aug 19 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, BSD also. I thought about it. I have no idea what to call it then. | Aug 19 19:56 |
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| PetoKraus | well, i tend to say - i use linux-based system | Aug 19 19:57 |
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| MinceR | i tend to say i use linux. | Aug 19 19:57 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Aug 19 19:58 |
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| PetoKraus | which is true, ofc | Aug 19 19:58 |
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| PetoKraus | *true for me as well, of | Aug 19 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | Joys of government-approved monopolies: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20... | Aug 19 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | ISO update: http://www.noooxml.org/for... | Aug 19 20:52 |
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