| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/15/law... | Oct 22 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | The Special Forces should bust Microsoft's office and crack down on this act of political and practical corruption. | Oct 22 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | Crime in daylight, but nobody seems to ccare | Oct 22 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | "The farmers may have had another reason. Rudy Arredondo, the chief executive of the Latino farmers group, confirmed that his organization became involved in the issue after talking to lobbyists at the Raben Group. The Raben Group received $30,000 this spring to lobby against the deal - from Google's rival, Microsoft, which wanted to buy Yahoo." | Oct 22 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft sues Rochester firm for piracy : http://news.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/temp... | Oct 22 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Ultimate drug: http://www.charlatan.ca/index.php?option=... | Oct 22 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft’s Role In GOOG-YHOO Delay: Outlobbying < http://www.paidcontent.org/entr... > | Oct 22 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | "Meanwhile, Microsoft spent the intervening months lobbying everyone—regulators, other lobbyists, anyone who might be willing to raise a doubt about the anti-competitive possibilities. In the process, they drew some support—or at least, some doubt-raising—from some of those who gave the Redmond company grief over anti-trust issues." | Oct 22 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | "Google both blames Microsoft for working “hard from behind the scenes to generate much of the opposition to this deal” and tries to dismiss it. And Microsoft doesn’t want credit for this one, with a spokesman telling the Times: “There’s an old rule in debate: if you’re not winning on substance, talk about the process.”" | Oct 22 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | More MS lawsuits: http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/stories... http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/busine... | Oct 22 20:46 |
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| twitter | Bush rigged the DOJ. That will be undone soon. | Oct 22 20:47 |
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| twitter | Interesting big lie, " Microsoft has long pushed the idea that its products make up a small but essential part of corporate technology spending and that its software and its markets are diverse and not overly exposed to any one area." | Oct 22 20:49 |
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| twitter | Large, non essential, and all very niche if essential. | Oct 22 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | Where is this from? | Oct 22 20:50 |
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| twitter | http://uk.reuters.com/article/reute... | Oct 22 20:52 |
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| twitter | the lower expectations article | Oct 22 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | They won't concede defeat. | Oct 22 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | I'll dig it up before the weekend to see all the stuff they embellished. They'll do a lot of lying tomrorow. | Oct 22 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Where lying = "swapping buckets of loss and win" | Oct 22 20:54 |
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| twitter | It's all defensive though. | Oct 22 20:54 |
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| twitter | They don't have any bright spots or growth prospects. | Oct 22 20:54 |
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| twitter | They will also miss their expectations, again. Tisk, tisk. | Oct 22 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | July's report: | Oct 22 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07/... | Oct 22 20:55 |
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| twitter | ha ha, Fast was one of those things they bought wasn't it? | Oct 22 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | Oracle surrenders and starts buybacks too now: http://www.reuters.com/article/in... | Oct 22 20:57 |
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| twitter | A couple of trolls threw the Fast acquisition as evidence that M$ was going to outdo Google, real soon now (TM) | Oct 22 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | Bad time spendiong at Microsoft: No strategic fit for Microsoft to buy BlackBerry maker RIM < http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/10/18/no-st... > | Oct 22 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | A leaked memo indicated hiring and spendings freeze as well. | Oct 22 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | FAST? That's fraud | Oct 22 20:58 |
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| schestowitz | Will get Microsoft to attend the courts for crime now. | Oct 22 20:58 |
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| twitter | Yeah, but it looks like they might have burned M$ with it, or did I totally misunderstand the transaction? | Oct 22 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft must have gone insane to do this: http://www.china.org.cn/china/nationa... | Oct 22 20:59 |
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| twitter | I thought Fast made themselves look profitable just long enough to be bought. | Oct 22 20:59 |
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| twitter | Yes M$ is insane. | Oct 22 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's ALL OVER the press. It's very bad publicity. It'll also scare people in the press... scare away from Windows. | Oct 22 20:59 |
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| twitter | looking | Oct 22 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | They show the ugly side of Windows in public. | Oct 22 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | And that's not even including the DRM in Vista | Oct 22 21:00 |
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| twitter | Dude, I told you that was big news. | Oct 22 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Is this a real screenshot? | Oct 22 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Ther'es also one from Malaysia. Wait. | Oct 22 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2008/0... | Oct 22 21:01 |
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| twitter | It not only shows how ugly Windows is, it shows how M$ has no real growth prospects in the rest of the world. | Oct 22 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | So tactlless. They don't make much money from software in 80% of the world (guessed figure). | Oct 22 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | More on DC corruption | Oct 22 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Score one for Washington as Google gets schooled < http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=10507 > | Oct 22 21:03 |
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| twitter | The black screen thing is a last ditch effort to squeeze some profits out of XP. | Oct 22 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Predictable. | Oct 22 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | They even mastered a EULA that permits them to do this, so I don't think the suit will stand in court. | Oct 22 21:05 |
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| twitter | They think they have something that people can't refuse, like AIDS drugs of something. | Oct 22 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | I wonder what trolls in c.o.l.a. will say. I tried disabling my killfile for one week, but went back to it after 1 day | Oct 22 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Well, people's data and business processes are locked in | Oct 22 21:05 |
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| twitter | What data? | Oct 22 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Even a staged migration presents them with issue if they have to buy mega-expensive licences (in China,.. rememeber). | Oct 22 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Documents and sh* | Oct 22 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | You can't flip a business to GNU/Linux overnight. You need some labou to be done migrating | Oct 22 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | *labour | Oct 22 21:06 |
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| twitter | The sooner you start, the better off you are. | Oct 22 21:07 |
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| twitter | It's not like your computers turn themselves off while you do it .... black screen, oh noes! | Oct 22 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | I reallty don't like all these reports about Mirosoft exec (former) says he ain't scared of MS: http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mi... | Oct 22 21:07 |
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| pombat42 | labor :) | Oct 22 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | PJ says it's a"manufactured dispute" | Oct 22 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | pombat42: yes, that too. | Oct 22 21:08 |
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| pombat42 | You are correct though. I cringe when I see migration studies because most ignore the fact that the real ROI is | Oct 22 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | No wonder Todd Bishop quit. The 'new guy' (replacement): http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/mic... | Oct 22 21:08 |
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| pombat42 | longterm and that the migration costs are front loaded | Oct 22 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Bishop left on a high note (well, should have retired in 1999 really) | Oct 22 21:09 |
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| twitter | "quit"? | Oct 22 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | pombat42: there's an aritcle from Moody today about it. | Oct 22 21:09 |
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| pombat42 | yes I read that | Oct 22 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Some businesses think short term licence costs (money). Lock-in has exist fencss and costs | Oct 22 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | That's whyt lockin is 'given' for free (gratis) | Oct 22 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Lock-in, like userbase, as intangible value. | Oct 22 21:10 |
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| pombat42 | give them the razor and stick them for the blades | Oct 22 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: yes, he quit | Oct 22 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: One of the big MS gurus | Oct 22 21:10 |
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| trmanco | haha | Oct 22 21:10 |
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| twitter | Between wine and virtual box, nothing is lost on the desktop. | Oct 22 21:10 |
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| trmanco | lovely | Oct 22 21:10 |
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| trmanco | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k2JJZMhFaG0 | Oct 22 21:10 |
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| trmanco | I've just become a fan of this dude | Oct 22 21:10 |
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| trmanco | became* | Oct 22 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/18/tod... | Oct 22 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | I had arguments with Chris. | Oct 22 21:11 |
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| twitter | When and about what? | Oct 22 21:11 |
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| trmanco | what kind? | Oct 22 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | We're in good terms though.. http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/22/anti... | Oct 22 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | Will Microsoft Buy Research in Motion? Not likely: A deal for the BlackBerry maker would be hostile and pricey. Canadian national pride might get in the way, too < http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content... > BW doesn't allow people to link to them, but hey! It's FAIR USE. | Oct 22 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: IDG pulled Phoronix. :-( | Oct 22 21:15 |
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| PetoKraus | yup | Oct 22 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Wintel ads coming. | Oct 22 21:15 |
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| MinceR | pulled? | Oct 22 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Look up article on ATI open source, get DX11 ads | Oct 22 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Well, partnership or acquisition... not too sure yet. I'll need to speak to Michael. He has always called it a potential partnership | Oct 22 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Imagine what ig Groklaw was bought. By whom? | Oct 22 21:17 |
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| PetoKraus | fuckin' doh | Oct 22 21:18 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm this is pissing me off, seriously | Oct 22 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Funny things is... since I called out that Novell advertising guy in YouTube he has not participated. He's too shy. | Oct 22 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | *thing | Oct 22 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: how so? | Oct 22 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | I brought this up in #phoronic | Oct 22 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | I brought this up in #phoronix | Oct 22 21:21 |
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| twitter | Pulled? Got link? | Oct 22 21:23 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: ah, just wine trouble | Oct 22 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | Try beer 1.0.1 | Oct 22 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | Sellout for Microsoft: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Qwx2cJF9Q | Oct 22 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | 'FOSS people' trying to help the monopolist | Oct 22 21:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i9qo1F56zLA http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EJsDjfbp6mI | Oct 22 21:27 |
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| twitter | You were right to call him out for the foolish things he said about the Iowa case. He does not understand class action lawsuits. | Oct 22 21:29 |
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| twitter | He's even confused about how M$ sold it's software. | Oct 22 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | INNOVA~1 heading east: India's Moon shot takes to the skies< http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/22/c... > | Oct 22 21:30 |
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| twitter | The anti-trust cases were not "Witch hunts" | Oct 22 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | They just perfume it to themselves. | Oct 22 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | He makes a living out of MS | Oct 22 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Like that idiot in these videos posted here. | Oct 22 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | Some people sell out society for Black screens of death... for a fast buc. | Oct 22 21:31 |
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| twitter | "The market will ultimately decide what is better." He does not understand anti-trust law either. | Oct 22 21:31 |
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| twitter | Anti-trust law corrects problems markets can't. | Oct 22 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | The criminals are taking on aRM with FUD now... http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/..." But an obviously-miffed Intel loves taking potshots at ARM at any opportunity, mainly because ARM has chips in over a billion mobile internet devices and Intel's are in, ooh, half a dozen or so." | Oct 22 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu... | Oct 22 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | YEs, free markets deviate into distortion and monopoly. It's the govt's role to correct it. | Oct 22 21:33 |
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| twitter | The new Dell Hard On comes with an ARM? | Oct 22 21:33 |
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| twitter | That should worry Intel. | Oct 22 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | But if the govt is allowed to be corrupted, which it already is because people testify that MS controls the US DOJ and White House, the regulation is lost. The watchers is controlled by that who it's supposed to watch. | Oct 22 21:34 |
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| twitter | If people can do all of their computing for days at a time on a single battery charge, Intel is toast. | Oct 22 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Intel should just be avoided. | Oct 22 21:34 |
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| MinceR | not if it's an Xscale. | Oct 22 21:34 |
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| MinceR | re 233921 < twitter> That should worry Intel. | Oct 22 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | An HP laptop can do a whole day without charging | Oct 22 21:34 |
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| twitter | I'd like an ARM laptop, as long as I could load Debian on it. | Oct 22 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | Sadly, President Bush has allowed himself and the Department of Justice to be manipulated by the RIAA and MPAA. On October 13th, he signed the PRO-IP bill into law, ignoring calls to veto it and pretty clear indications that the bill was promoted using completely fabricated statistics. < http://www.defectivebydesign.org/pro-ip-thanks > | Oct 22 21:36 |
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| twitter | I know they can be a little slow, from running a Zaurus Colie, but that would not matter if it kept on running for days. | Oct 22 21:36 |
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| twitter | Bush was a willing participant in DOJ corruption. | Oct 22 21:37 |
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| twitter | Class action lawsuits are not supposed to bring big money to the people in the class. | Oct 22 21:37 |
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| twitter | The idea is that small claims not individually worth pursuing can be collected into something large. | Oct 22 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Well, Bush is liable for bigger crimes than that. | Oct 22 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | Just left a comment. Bwahaha :-) http://digg.com/tech_news/Hold_... | Oct 22 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | The Microsoft shills will start modding it down shortly, then maybe toss in some slander. | Oct 22 21:40 |
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| twitter | Large suits threaten big dumb companies and keep companies honest | Oct 22 21:40 |
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| twitter | The war of aggression in Iraq is a big crime. | Oct 22 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | 204.5-Million lines of code equals one great Linux distribution < http://blogs.computerworld.com/204_5_million_lines_... > | Oct 22 21:41 |
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| twitter | But he was able to get away with that crime through media consolidation and other corruption. | Oct 22 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | Linux Creator Linus Torvalds, Others Honored In Silicon Valley < http://www.informationweek.com/news/software... > | Oct 22 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, media perpetuates the concepts of those owning it. | Oct 22 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | With the control by companies (even the BBC is now 'owned' by some), there's no good way to find news. | Oct 22 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | I just rely on blogs and people's knowledge, not press releases-fed journos | Oct 22 21:42 |
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| trmanco | http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworl... | Oct 22 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | RMS says you must subsribe to trusted blogs. There's too much propaganda with words like "piracy" in 'the media' | Oct 22 21:43 |
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| twitter | Blogs are better sources of news than "news" RMS has a great blog. | Oct 22 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I remember that. | Oct 22 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | Isn't that iamge more than 1 year old? | Oct 22 21:43 |
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| twitter | As more real scientists and industry people get into sharing their opinions directly, media owners will be less able to lie. | Oct 22 21:44 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, yes | Oct 22 21:45 |
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| trmanco | but its funny | Oct 22 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: go to youtube. | Oct 22 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | look for videos from people like Lessig, Chomsky, Knuth... | Oct 22 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Different reality, but nonetheless a real one | Oct 22 21:46 |
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| twitter | Have not see Knuth, but Lessig and Chomsky are great. | Oct 22 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | They are labeled "controversial", where the word means something like "speaks openly about corruption", AKA "dissident", "extremist", "anarchist" whatever.. | Oct 22 21:47 |
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| twitter | the word means, "not controlled by us" | Oct 22 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/linux/s... "..whose operating system became the catalyst for the open source software movement that challenged traditional concepts of intellectual property." | Oct 22 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | What system? Oh, the monopolies system... the one where governments give franchises to people who contribute to their campaigns and all. | Oct 22 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | RMS is labeled "controversial" in some media that I see. It's kind of the opposite, ain't it? Depends on whose side you're on. I find the US Republicans rather "controversial" | Oct 22 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | This SUSE blog is 'marketing' a lot of Mono junk: http://www.susegeek.com/desktop/gnome-do-launcher-t... | Oct 22 21:51 |
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| pombat42 | The current Republicans have no clue what the US Joe the Plumber needs | Oct 22 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | Oil | Oct 22 21:52 |
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| pombat42 | funny. | Oct 22 21:52 |
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| pombat42 | McCain doesn't even know how many houses he owns! | Oct 22 21:53 |
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| MinceR | he can't count that far | Oct 22 21:53 |
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| pombat42 | I figured he forgot :) senility! | Oct 22 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | He has an abacus | Oct 22 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | And lobbyists. | Oct 22 21:54 |
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| MinceR | but he doesn't know how to use it | Oct 22 21:54 |
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| pombat42 | and hands and toes! | Oct 22 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post this video just before the elections: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RGtk3PMfU8s | Oct 22 21:54 |
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| pombat42 | he scares me although I do like Palin. she seems fresh and not saddled with Washington politics. | Oct 22 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Oct 22 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | Don't be deceived by looks. That's what they try to achieve. | Oct 22 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's like McCain+pom pons for office. | Oct 22 21:57 |
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| pombat42 | she's cute no doubt...I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Alaska:our climate is cold but our Gov is hot!" | Oct 22 21:58 |
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| pombat42 | But then we have Obama. He seems empty to me | Oct 22 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Alaska = corruption too | Oct 22 21:58 |
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| pombat42 | so what isn't? | Oct 22 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&a... | Oct 22 21:59 |
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| pombat42 | Barney Frank: Fanny/Freddy mac are doing fine | Oct 22 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Sen. Ted Stevens' corruption trial goes to jury: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/s... | Oct 22 21:59 |
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| pombat42 | I'm a Nadar supporter BTW | Oct 22 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Alaskan senator trial nears end : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/a... | Oct 22 21:59 |
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| pombat42 | Nader :( | Oct 22 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | This always reminds me of Novell allegedly bribing someone for the Winter Games to come to Slat Lake City. I can't recall the details. | Oct 22 22:00 |
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| pombat42 | There is a fine line between lobbying and whoring. | Oct 22 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | If times get rough, Freddy and Fanny will need to east Mac... and get food poisoning, the die out. | Oct 22 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | *wat | Oct 22 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | *wat | Oct 22 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | I can't type well. | Oct 22 22:01 |
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| pombat42 | eat Mac and you WILL get the mein! (I can't type well either!!!) | Oct 22 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Lobbyist if "legalised corruption" | Oct 22 22:01 |
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| pombat42 | yep | Oct 22 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's a constraint (or lack thereof) that limits govt from being just another big business... corporate umbrella enslaving people. | Oct 22 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | Think about a situation where the lobbyists themselves inherit the role of those whom they lobby | Oct 22 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | That would be essentially like electing CEOs of companies and their conies to run a country and maximalise their industry's needs at the expense of votes. | Oct 22 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | * (correction of typos) Lobbying is "legalised corruption" | Oct 22 22:03 |
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| pombat42 | The USA is NOT a democracy. It is a oligopoly...God that's awful but what I mean is it is run by big business. | Oct 22 22:03 |
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| pombat42 | IOW my vote doesn't count as much as General Motors | Oct 22 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | You live in the US, right? | Oct 22 22:04 |
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| pombat42 | yes I do | Oct 22 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | No, your vote counts like anybody's... | Oct 22 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | But... | Oct 22 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Those whom you elect are RUN (vehicled so to speak) by GM. | Oct 22 22:05 |
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| pombat42 | well that's kind of what I mean. In an election a vote is a vote but after the election, what voice do I have? | Oct 22 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | Vote Obama, get Biden (Biden =RIAA/MPAA) | Oct 22 22:05 |
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| pombat42 | That's why I like Nader | Oct 22 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Vote McCain, get maximal Microsoft cronyism | Oct 22 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | You lose either way | Oct 22 22:06 |
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| pombat42 | For me it's mostly economics | Oct 22 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know Gonzalez, though. | Oct 22 22:06 |
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| trmanco | oh great | Oct 22 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | nader had a good piece of Microsoft. | Oct 22 22:06 |
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| trmanco | Linux kernel 2.6.27.3 released | Oct 22 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | let me find it. | Oct 22 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | Located at the bottom here: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/... | Oct 22 22:07 |
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| pombat42 | I like the guy because even if I disagree with him, he tells it like it is. No punches held | Oct 22 22:07 |
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| pombat42 | 3rd parties are dead in the water in USA however. Thank the media for that | Oct 22 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | Opera 9.61 for Linux i386 < http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml > | Oct 22 22:07 |
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| pombat42 | Opera rulez!! (I'm Norwegian BTW) | Oct 22 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | I was in Norwegian Society. | Oct 22 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | (because I had many friends there) | Oct 22 22:09 |
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| pombat42 | Opera is good enough for IBM to use as the GUI/browser in their P and I series machines. | Oct 22 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Well, IBM doesn't care about Free sofwtare, | Oct 22 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | I used Opera several times, but then found FF | Oct 22 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | I'd possibly change if Hakom and the team decided that exposing source code won't make the sky fall | Oct 22 22:12 |
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| pombat42 | IBM is to be watched, carefully. They are not as foolish as Microsoft but are just as dangerous. | Oct 22 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, with patents and all. | Oct 22 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | They ignored me when I asked them to resist patents. | Oct 22 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. http://molom.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/i... | Oct 22 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/152...: Tata Financial Results Hit by Economic Slowdown | Oct 22 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/1... "TCS announced earlier this month that it had reached an agreement to acquire Citigroup's interest in Citigroup Global Services, its BPO (business process outsourcing) arm in India, for about $505 million in cash. As part of the deal TCS through Citigroup Global Services will provide $2.5 billion worth of services to Citigroup and its affiliates over the next nine and a half | Oct 22 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | years." | Oct 22 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/15... "Use Gmail, Go to Jail? [...] And Google did initially fight the request until ordered by the court. But once the legal hammer came down, Google rolled over -- just as it has in similar cases in Israel and India." | Oct 22 22:24 |
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| pombat42 | I read someplace that IBM has a patent that involves the cursor wrapping to the next line after 80 columns of text | Oct 22 22:24 |
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| pombat42 | If true that's insane | Oct 22 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe an old patent | Oct 22 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | IBM is a sleeping monster. | Oct 22 22:25 |
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| pombat42 | could be | Oct 22 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/... "So it all comes back to the same old story-- don't trust the suits because their business models are based on exploitation, and even when they profit handsomely from Linux it's shameful and not mentioned in polite company." | Oct 22 22:25 |
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| pombat42 | IBM sits, watches and then reacts. Microsoft reacts off the cuff. Different methods IMHO | Oct 22 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's 'puppets' (accomplices) in India see profits fall: http://www.pcworld.com/article/152603/.html?tk=rss_news | Oct 22 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | IBM also fakes "Open" | Oct 22 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | FSF warns about them all.. Sun too. | Oct 22 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | From http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article... : | Oct 22 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | "The trouble with Microsoft, according to Brown, is that it is a company just like any other company, and "companies don't have any intrinsic values. The only mission statement you need to be aware of so far as a corporation is concerned is the one that says, 'We're here to make money.'" With this outlook, Brown does not trust Microsoft -- but neither does he particularly trust other companies, whether they are proprietary like App | Oct 22 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | le or have business models that include open source, such as Google or Red Hat." | Oct 22 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | It annoys me that PJ (in GL) kind of cheers for Apple these days. Against those lawsuits... along with these financial results... I think she uses/d a Mac | Oct 22 22:29 |
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| pombat42 | Apple is a company that is right out in the open. Either you agree or disagree with them. I like them | Oct 22 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | Mainly/only she uses GNU/Linux (Mandriva before her last computer broke down), but I never asked about the Apple thing in the mail headers. | Oct 22 22:29 |
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| pombat42 | companies support their stock holders. nothing more nothing less | Oct 22 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... "However, in statements from both Google and Yahoo, the companies remained confident, and that any delay in plans is voluntary while they work things out with the DOJ, and not because of any injunction." | Oct 22 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | pombat42: there should be laws for ethics... now there's just degradation of these... police state and all... | Oct 22 22:31 |
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| pombat42 | I feel their should be accountability, legally. IOW if say AID execs ran the company into the ground knowingly they should be punished | Oct 22 22:34 |
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| pombat42 | AIG | Oct 22 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | They get fined at best. | Oct 22 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.cultivated.ca/wp-content/gallery... | Oct 22 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Them Sugar Daddy comes with some money and bails them out. Steve Jobs too BTW. | Oct 22 22:35 |
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| pombat42 | I know. And walk away with millions | Oct 22 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | You mentioned Apple, well... they too did some funny financial stuff and rescued Jobs from prosecution as I understand it. | Oct 22 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Tech layoffs: The scorecard (updated) : http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10069195-92.h... | Oct 22 22:36 |
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| pombat42 | they all do. I happen to like their products | Oct 22 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | SanDisk layoffs appear to be in the works : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_... | Oct 22 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | If enough of these companies collapse, there will be a need to prevent more banking corruptions like the one we're suffering from right now. | Oct 22 22:37 |
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| pombat42 | Sandisk makes nice stuff | Oct 22 22:37 |
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| pombat42 | it all boils down to greed | Oct 22 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, human nature. | Oct 22 22:37 |
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| pombat42 | yep | Oct 22 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | It needs to be regulated | Oct 22 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | The system lacks teeth | Oct 22 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | And one a leader gains a chair, the promises are forgotten | Oct 22 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Obama too | Oct 22 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7nJzz0ivxQ | Oct 22 22:38 |
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| pombat42 | but then we are right back to govt, the riaa, mpa etc..what's the solution? I don't know | Oct 22 22:38 |
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| pombat42 | Obama is a phony | Oct 22 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Let the dinosaurs fall | Oct 22 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | They are killing themselves by spawning more and more eggs (acquisitions) they can't' contain. They also piss of all the other... errr... animals, who then start Free Culture and Creative Commons. | Oct 22 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | {Obama will Save Your Planet}^TM | Oct 22 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Wow.... like an angel... http://www.barackobama.com/ | Oct 22 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | Still, better than McCain. | Oct 22 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden | Oct 22 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Look how heavily it's edited: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.ph... | Oct 22 22:41 |
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| pombat42 | they all suck IMHO | Oct 22 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/ : " Support the Green Party; Nader for President " | Oct 22 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. I didn't realise he's for Nader. | Oct 22 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | I love the flag he puts on the left: " America Means Civil Liberties, Patriotism Means Protecting Them." | Oct 22 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | "Don't Buy Harry Potter Books" | Oct 22 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* Well, I never saw this front page... " People often ask how I manage to continue devoting myself to progressive activism (such as the free software movement) for years without burning out. The best way I can answer is by recommending a book, The Lifelong Activist by Hillary Rettig." | Oct 22 22:52 |
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| pombat42 | No candidate is perfect. none. what each voter has to determine is what is most important to them | Oct 22 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | I don't agree that's the point to stress. | Oct 22 22:59 |
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| pombat42 | McCaine wants to give the rich the tax breaks and hope it trickles down to the masses, ala Regan. | Oct 22 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | The candidacy is not the issue. | Oct 22 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's the structure and operation of the system. | Oct 22 22:59 |
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| pombat42 | Obama wants to steal from the rich to help the poor | Oct 22 22:59 |
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| pombat42 | Either way, the middle class more or less loses, albeit less under Obama | Oct 22 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | It's ripe for abuse. Unless this is stopped, there will be a third Great Depression or whatever. | Oct 22 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | I think we're just at the _very down_ of a second one. | Oct 22 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | *dawn | Oct 22 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Obama wants... haha. | Oct 22 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Well, he says something... | Oct 22 23:00 |
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| pombat42 | The system is not going anywhere. Too much $$$ and too many ignorant masses that are high on sports, Hollywood etc | Oct 22 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | Is there a middle class *left* in the US? | Oct 22 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | left as in remaining, not Dems | Oct 22 23:01 |
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| pombat42 | getting smaller by the day.. mostl;y rich and poor | Oct 22 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, you call it that, I call it "sports & celebs" | Oct 22 23:01 |
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| pombat42 | same thing. worshipping garbage is what it is | Oct 22 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | It keeps people distracted and not aware of the abuse of the system, for which they are blindly grateful... until a Depression | Oct 22 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Credit, credit, creitt.. what's *NOT* to love?? | Oct 22 23:02 |
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| pombat42 | IA very smart person once told me "sports etc" is the heroin of the middle class | Oct 22 23:03 |
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| pombat42 | IOW get them hooked and they could care less who is running the show | Oct 22 23:03 |
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| pombat42 | It has worked | Oct 22 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | Well, it's peer effect also. | Oct 22 23:04 |
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| pombat42 | yep. the lemming effect. | Oct 22 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Another fixation is a life structural one. | Oct 22 23:04 |
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| pombat42 | ? | Oct 22 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | People are being channeled into a certain expectancy where television helps the formation of these expectation. | Oct 22 23:04 |
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| pombat42 | agreed | Oct 22 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | A girl watching Snow White expects to do the dishes for the 'men' and men expect to follow the usual route of college ->job->car->marriage->house->children->debt->whatever. | Oct 22 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | It's good for the corporations. | Oct 22 23:05 |
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| pombat42 | B4 I retired I used to ride the train 100 miles into the city and the first thing I noticed was how they would turn the morning paper over to the sports section | Oct 22 23:06 |
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| pombat42 | then they would gabby about who did what etc. | Oct 22 23:06 |
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| pombat42 | my reaction was who cares? the game is over | Oct 22 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 22 23:06 |
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| pombat42 | look to the future | Oct 22 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | My family watches a lot of football, but I ask them why they don't spend the same time actually /playing/ | Oct 22 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | I used to watch a lot of sports. Now I just play them. | Oct 22 23:07 |
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| pombat42 | i never thought of that. good point! | Oct 22 23:07 |
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| pombat42 | i play tennis | Oct 22 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Penalty! No! Damn referee! Oh no, they scored. Red card!! Damn. My whole day is ruins.................... and then reality strikes.... the game had /NOTHING/ to do with your life. it's an alternate reality. | Oct 22 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | Same here (tennis) | Oct 22 23:08 |
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| pombat42 | So you were on the same train as I was !! :) | Oct 22 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia's open source scam vs Linux: http://www.pcworld.com/article/1... | Oct 22 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | They couldn't tame Linux with patents and DRM, so they try to outlinux Linux. | Oct 22 23:09 |
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| pombat42 | Had Nokia phone that dies, Verizon nor Nokia would helpe me.. Never bought another one. | Oct 22 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | They will reportedly give up eventually and join Android or something. They also have Qt and Maemo | Oct 22 23:09 |
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| pombat42 | hopefully they get it right | Oct 22 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. | Oct 22 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | I like the brand because it's Finnish | Oct 22 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | They are pressured by Hollywood | Oct 22 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | The guys in the wild west (Hollywood) want DRM on everything. | Oct 22 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | I'll post lots of Microsoft stuff tomorrow morning just before the appalling report. | Oct 22 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | It should be fun. Then, on Friday/Sat I'll show how badly they did. By this stage, however, (unlike July) many people are already aware of this, so it's not much of a shocka realy. | Oct 22 23:12 |
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| pombat42 | DRM is keyed to a lack of talent in Hollywood | Oct 22 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Price-fixing morelike. | Oct 22 23:19 |
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| pombat42 | That too | Oct 22 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Race to the bottom. | Oct 22 23:20 |
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| pombat42 | Carole King Tapestry..10 hits. Fleetwood Mac Rumours same thing. Today? One hit if you are lucky | Oct 22 23:20 |
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| pombat42 | Boston. Chicago.Saturday Night Fever. Grease. etc | Oct 22 23:20 |
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| MinceR | that article fails | Oct 22 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | My brother in law works at Intel and I told him that China sells PCs for $98 now | Oct 22 23:20 |
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| MinceR | "Can you imagine Apple's iPhone running a cumbersome OS with little innovation such as gesture support?" -- yes, and it looks just like the iphone! | Oct 22 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | The era of the consumer/producer or mill/farmers is ending. | Oct 22 23:21 |
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| pombat42 | iPhone is a great product. Consumers love it | Oct 22 23:21 |
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| pombat42 | the os doesn't matter the UI does | Oct 22 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | Same with desktops, but.. | Oct 22 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | On desktop it also matters what peripheral support and applications one gets. | Oct 22 23:22 |
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| pombat42 | exactly! | Oct 22 23:23 |
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| MinceR | the iphone is a crap product | Oct 22 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | iPhone envy to fuel open-source development? : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_... | Oct 22 23:24 |
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| MinceR | it's a pda/phone hardware dumbed down beyond recognition by the crap software | Oct 22 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1350... : | Oct 22 23:24 |
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| MinceR | (if we ignore the fact that it has no keyboard) | Oct 22 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | Apple + ActiveSync is eating email on my iPhone: iCrap? | Oct 22 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | "I'm a huge Apple fan. Today, however, I couldn't be more disappointed. I keep seeing pretty, shiny things...and then finding out they're iCrap underneath." | Oct 22 23:25 |
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| MinceR | :) | Oct 22 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | pombat42: the Android phones have a keyboard | Oct 22 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | I've had a real-sized keyboard for my Palm PDA since 2003 | Oct 22 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Or 2002 | Oct 22 23:25 |
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| MinceR | pda/phones years before crApple even considered trying their luck with phones had keyboards | Oct 22 23:26 |
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| MinceR | even some phones did | Oct 22 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | It's great for times when I travel and take lots of notes. With iPhone it's like typing my mind with chopsticks. | Oct 22 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | That said, the iphone has an impressive design and nice graphcis... like the desktops. | Oct 22 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | They carefully create one unified experience rather than customisable diversity... which to hackers (playful cleverness.. Ha!) is limiting and frustrating. | Oct 22 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | There's not much chance for tinkering and for experimentation with many applciation one need to shop for binaries online, whereas some of my Palm OS apps are GPL. | Oct 22 23:28 |
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| MinceR | it's limiting and frustrating to anyone who doesn't find operating a light switch challenging. | Oct 22 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | The GPL was snubbed by the iPhone/Apple policy. | Oct 22 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | It's tiring to see like 10 headlines about Symbian pretending to have gone open sauce [sic]: http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/159... (+DRM, +software patents in the UK) | Oct 22 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | Wave-riding: http://www.prweb.com/releases/funny-... | Oct 22 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | I like this idea: http://www.publishersweekly.com/a... "Under the Flat World model, the company will publish open source textbooks that students can download for free; it hopes to make its money by selling various options to the online text, ranging from print-on-demand print versions to audio downloads. No advertising is accepted." | Oct 22 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | Knowledge is free. Services around it are not. | Oct 22 23:35 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 22 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.intomobile.com/2008/10/21/apple-iphone-nda-t... ( Apple iPhone NDA termination spurs open-source iPhone development ) | Oct 22 23:36 |
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| pombat42 | Honestly I appreciate what you guys stand for but I am not quite as militant toward the cause. | Oct 22 23:39 |
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| pombat42 | I prefer to look at what I can use and what I can discard and take it from there. | Oct 22 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I'm not too worried about Apple. | Oct 22 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | "militant" is a strong word. Some people use words like "war", which are equally disturbing. | Oct 22 23:42 |
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| MinceR | i'm worried about apple | Oct 22 23:42 |
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| MinceR | they're the little microsoft | Oct 22 23:42 |
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| schestowitz | A bit like labeling an oppressed looking for human rights a "terrorist" or aggressor | Oct 22 23:42 |
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| MinceR | and if the big one falls, the clueless masses might move to them and we get to start all over. | Oct 22 23:42 |
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| MinceR | except with more lock-in this time around | Oct 22 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | IBM or Google are also an issue, but Google doesn't destroy businesses for growth yet... well, not aggressively. | Oct 22 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | When you buy from such companies, you give a nod to whatever practice they preach, so they give more of it. The pocket speaks loudest and tells companies to rethink behaviour, I think. | Oct 22 23:44 |
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| MinceR | i'm worried about google too | Oct 22 23:45 |
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| MinceR | i'm not worried about ibm, they're far too inept at selling their stuff, unfortunately | Oct 22 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | SasS in general | Oct 22 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | They take away your apps to /their/ 'PC' | Oct 22 23:46 |
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| MinceR | they've let m$ rise and kill their os/2 already | Oct 22 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | They can charge anything for access, change price, terms, layout, password, leak your info, ad ads. | Oct 22 23:46 |
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| pombat42 | People have always had choice,. why do they seem to be bypassing Linux? | Oct 22 23:46 |
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| MinceR | people don't always _know_ they have a choice | Oct 22 23:47 |
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| pombat42 | sure hey do. At least in USA.. | Oct 22 23:47 |
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| pombat42 | they | Oct 22 23:47 |
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| MinceR | so do you think the average computer user even knows what an operating system is? | Oct 22 23:48 |
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| MinceR | i know my father didn't | Oct 22 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | pombat42: true, they need not to understand DRM. | Oct 22 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | People who I speak to know nothing about it. They are just users, i.e. used people. | Oct 22 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | If you have to by a track twice (once for each device), they'll take this attempt to elevate market pricing and not ask questions as to /why/ | Oct 22 23:50 |
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| pombat42 | Nobody likes DRM. However, what is happening at least in the USA is that people are pissed at so called *artists* making millions off of kids etc | Oct 22 23:52 |
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| pombat42 | How much of this stuff is actually musical? | Oct 22 23:52 |
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| schestowitz | Cellphone ringtones? | Oct 22 23:52 |
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| pombat42 | ringrtones are like sports for the middle class. drugs... | Oct 22 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | pombat42: no, that's the cellphones. | Oct 22 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | Even kids have them these days... my 12-year-old sister too.. with high-res camera and all... | Oct 22 23:55 |
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| pombat42 | Mybe i am simplistic but i feel if you buy it you own it | Oct 22 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | What if it stops functioning (kill switch or black screen of death)? You merely hire access to it. | Oct 22 23:58 |
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| schestowitz | The permission to posses a licence to use it. Without services (carrier, software), it's rendered a brick. | Oct 22 23:59 |
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