IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 8th, 2009 - Part 1

Dr. Roy Schestowitz

2009-02-09 09:45:47 UTC
Modified: 2009-02-09 09:45:47 UTC

toros	in our country the rate of corruption is pretty high	Feb 08 00:00
toros	so open source is not very popular among politicians here...	Feb 08 00:04
MinceR	our education doesn't help either	Feb 08 00:04
toros	education would be the most important	Feb 08 00:05
toros	and open source just fits so perfectly for this	Feb 08 00:05
schestowitz	toros: it rarely is. Undercovers like undercovers.	Feb 08 00:06
toros	today a modern linux distribution has everything what you need at a school	Feb 08 00:06
schestowitz	It's like Harry Kissinger... the whole romanticism with mafia, secrecy, exchanging money and covering each others' back. FSF is their antithesis.	Feb 08 00:07
MinceR	we'd need competent, clueful teachers	Feb 08 00:07
PetoKraus	did you guys see "organic software" firefox?	Feb 08 00:07
MinceR	but we have very few of those	Feb 08 00:07
schestowitz	Free software would also enable Hungary as a leader in an emerging area. But multinational still roam the wild there, so it's not a priority	Feb 08 00:07
MinceR	so all children see is m$ crap	Feb 08 00:07
schestowitz	You'd think that countries want to promote local interests until you watch what was done in India... or now done in Iraq, which is run by a puppet regime.	Feb 08 00:08
schestowitz	This one from rami looks like an FP: http://digg.com/software/Firefox_S...	Feb 08 00:09
schestowitz	PetoKraus: what's that organic software thing?	Feb 08 00:10
toros	the biggest problem is that I don't really see, how we could change this situation	Feb 08 00:10
MinceR	that image has been posted a couple times already	Feb 08 00:10
rami	schestowitz, is that firefox image old? I mean I think I saw it before?	Feb 08 00:12
PetoKraus	schestowitz: no idea http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/...	Feb 08 00:12
MinceR	rami: it is	Feb 08 00:14
MinceR	gn	Feb 08 00:18
schestowitz	toros: that's the magic of it. THey make it hard to resist by dividing people up	Feb 08 00:23
schestowitz	rami: I recall seeing it	Feb 08 00:23
PetoKraus	Hungary, frankly, can't be leader in the area	Feb 08 00:24
PetoKraus	if you just compare their crumbling economy	Feb 08 00:24
PetoKraus	with ours, it's pretty obvious	Feb 08 00:24
PetoKraus	(ours - Slovak)	Feb 08 00:24
toros	PetoKraus: that's true...	Feb 08 00:25
toros	we had great chances 20 years ago	Feb 08 00:25
PetoKraus	yeah	Feb 08 00:26
PetoKraus	man, this flat looks so different when it's clean	Feb 08 00:26
toros	but now we could be happy if we don't fall back to much...	Feb 08 00:26
PetoKraus	it's gonna be tough with IMF on your neck	Feb 08 00:27
twitter	oh my, Houston courts shut down by malware, Maximus Windows dude... http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...	Feb 08 00:28
toros	Slovakia made a fantastic job in the last ten years	Feb 08 00:28
PetoKraus	well	Feb 08 00:28
PetoKraus	you might argue how much did certain things help	Feb 08 00:28
PetoKraus	but yes, flat tax and therefore attracting almost anyone helped a LOT	Feb 08 00:29
PetoKraus	twitter: yeah, that was nice one :D	Feb 08 00:29
toros	but as I heard, the position of Microsoft there is just as solid as here	Feb 08 00:30
PetoKraus	well it's majority, that's true	Feb 08 00:30
PetoKraus	but firefox has almost 50% usage	Feb 08 00:30
PetoKraus	almost everyone in the country heard of the word linux in some way	Feb 08 00:31
toros	we have here also a pretty active open source community	Feb 08 00:32
PetoKraus	yeah	Feb 08 00:32
toros	ubuntu.hu has nearly 9000 registered users	Feb 08 00:32
twitter	I'm amazed so many would register themselves in .hu - young people are so trusting.	Feb 08 00:33
schestowitz	twitter: "Houston, we got a virus!" :-)	Feb 08 00:34
PetoKraus	oh btw	Feb 08 00:34
PetoKraus	do we know what's conficker doing?	Feb 08 00:34
PetoKraus	or is it still just sitting bomb?	Feb 08 00:35
schestowitz	sitting BIG bomb	Feb 08 00:35
schestowitz	But a fish in a big sea of hundreds of millions of zombies. Almost 99 out of 100 Windows PCs are potential zombies (ripe for hijacking). THat's how BAD it is.	Feb 08 00:36
toros	maybe it is the real skynet? :)	Feb 08 00:36
schestowitz	:-)	Feb 08 00:36
twitter	tick-a-tick-a-tick-a-tick-a-ticka-tick ...... BOOOOOOOOMMMMMMB!	Feb 08 00:36
tanderson	toros: not possibly...some people use linux :)	Feb 08 00:37
PetoKraus	schestowitz: that number is not true	Feb 08 00:37
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator)	Feb 08 00:37
twitter	you missed a few nines above. 99.99999999999999	Feb 08 00:37
toros	it will be funny, when it explodes :)	Feb 08 00:37
PetoKraus	not every computer with windows is virus-riddled	Feb 08 00:37
schestowitz	Pics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyNET#SkyNET	Feb 08 00:37
tanderson	yeah, I know what skynet is	Feb 08 00:37
schestowitz	PetoKraus: they are all spyware-riddled (Windows)	Feb 08 00:37
tanderson	but taking over windows computers isn't taking over the world	Feb 08 00:38
twitter	yes Peto, some Windows computers are in transit and have never been connected to a network for more than an hour or so.	Feb 08 00:38
PetoKraus	yeah	Feb 08 00:38
schestowitz	PetoKraus: source: Secunia, 2008	Feb 08 00:38
PetoKraus	and some of them are actually patched	Feb 08 00:38
twitter	patches are like tampons.	Feb 08 00:38
PetoKraus	analysts	Feb 08 00:38
schestowitz	Wait	Feb 08 00:38
schestowitz	I don't like Secunia	Feb 08 00:38
PetoKraus	you know what I mean though	Feb 08 00:38
schestowitz	Fear mongers vs Linux too	Feb 08 00:38
PetoKraus	it's the same lie as saying there's only 1% marketshare	Feb 08 00:39
PetoKraus	of linux	Feb 08 00:39
schestowitz	It's here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/05/waggener-e...	Feb 08 00:39
twitter	no, Peto, I don't know how you can say Windows can be secured when it's never, ever happened.	Feb 08 00:39
PetoKraus	i am not saying it's secured	Feb 08 00:39
PetoKraus	i am saying, that there are people whose browsing habits and flaky security patches	Feb 08 00:39
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/154944/every_p...	Feb 08 00:39
schestowitz	"More than 98% of Windows computers harbor at least one unpatched application, and nearly half contain 11 or more programs at risk from attack, a Danish security company said Wednesday. "	Feb 08 00:39
PetoKraus	sort of drop the risk of infection down	Feb 08 00:40
twitter	don't blame the users. Windows is just built wrong.	Feb 08 00:40
PetoKraus	that's different thing	Feb 08 00:40
twitter	condoms in a South African whore house reduce the spread of AIDS, but you have to wonder why you are there in the first place.	Feb 08 00:40
schestowitz	twitter: LOL	Feb 08 00:40
PetoKraus	all windows pc's are "potential" zombies	Feb 08 00:40
schestowitz	"Don't you know you can't visit THAT page? For the last time.."	Feb 08 00:41
schestowitz	"Do you KNOW you can't just insert a USB device to you PCs????????????/////"	Feb 08 00:41
PetoKraus	you know there is the difference between risk	Feb 08 00:41
PetoKraus	and actual infection	Feb 08 00:41
toros	we had a poll at ubuntu.hu, and it came out, that 66 percent of our users use adblocker... so I think we can triple the number of measured linux users	Feb 08 00:41
schestowitz	And NoScript?	Feb 08 00:42
PetoKraus	well i'm using adblock + noscript as well...	Feb 08 00:42
schestowitz	Net Applications measure some sort of click/ad referral in Win/Mac-oriented sites	Feb 08 00:42
PetoKraus	i should really allow some pages I tend to visit more frequently	Feb 08 00:42
twitter	risks that can be avoided are risks that should be avoided. Using Windows is foolish, like walking a tightrope when you could get someplace by walking.	Feb 08 00:42
schestowitz	It's rubbish, by design.	Feb 08 00:42
PetoKraus	twitter: that's completely different issue	Feb 08 00:42
PetoKraus	but saying that 99% of Windows pc's ARE infected is bullshit	Feb 08 00:43
PetoKraus	you can't know the number	Feb 08 00:43
schestowitz	WIndows had security as an afterthought	Feb 08 00:43
twitter	M$ thinks it's about 66%.	Feb 08 00:43
schestowitz	Reason was lack of foresight wrt network	Feb 08 00:43
PetoKraus	well	Feb 08 00:43
toros	in Hungary it is measured with ads	Feb 08 00:43
schestowitz	See it in their presentation slides (Comes)	Feb 08 00:43
PetoKraus	i would be surprised if there was security at all	Feb 08 00:43
PetoKraus	today I had a system	Feb 08 00:43
twitter	I'm not sure how the others are kept safe, so it would be better to avoid Windows all together.	Feb 08 00:44
toros	by a company called adverticum (the biggest banner hosting site)	Feb 08 00:44
schestowitz	toros: bad measure	Feb 08 00:44
PetoKraus	and i couldn't force it to create user and give the user existing directory in Documents and Settings	Feb 08 00:44
PetoKraus	i mean, for goodness sake	Feb 08 00:44
schestowitz	toros: it assumes populations are equally distributed wrt habits	Feb 08 00:44
PetoKraus	AND the funny thing is	Feb 08 00:44
PetoKraus	it enables you to make more than one Admin user	Feb 08 00:44
PetoKraus	WTF	Feb 08 00:44
schestowitz	It's like comparisong market share of Firefox amongst Linux users and Windows users	Feb 08 00:44
twitter	Windows is simply broken. It is irresponsible to recommend it.	Feb 08 00:45
PetoKraus	yes	Feb 08 00:45
PetoKraus	that's why i automatically preinstall Firefox and Openoffice on every PC i touch	Feb 08 00:45
PetoKraus	today i had this weird case	Feb 08 00:46
schestowitz	twitter: they get paid to recommend it	Feb 08 00:46
PetoKraus	the machine would boot up	Feb 08 00:46
twitter	I assume Windows machines are owned. Bill Gates has whatever I put into it if it is not cracked, but there's a good chance multiple cracker gangs own it too.	Feb 08 00:46
schestowitz	In Windows, "recommends" = "Take bribe"	Feb 08 00:46
PetoKraus	it even responded	Feb 08 00:46
PetoKraus	but the shell didn't at all	Feb 08 00:46
PetoKraus	i could run apps on the desktop and interact with them	Feb 08 00:47
PetoKraus	but anything on the "shelf" including start menu was locked for like 10 minutes	Feb 08 00:47
PetoKraus	and that was freshly (3 months) reinstalled system	Feb 08 00:47
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/0...	Feb 08 00:47
PetoKraus	yeah	Feb 08 00:47
PetoKraus	sometimes i want to just slap my boss for spreading FUD	Feb 08 00:48
PetoKraus	like "your printer will not work under linux"	Feb 08 00:48
twitter	My printer works well.	Feb 08 00:48
schestowitz	LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File... It looks like it says "I'm Bach"	Feb 08 00:48
twitter	He must have bought the wrong printer.	Feb 08 00:48
PetoKraus	nah, he just doesn't know	Feb 08 00:48
schestowitz	Windows supports printers??? I thought you need to obtain drivers.. :-)	Feb 08 00:49
PetoKraus	today my friend pointed out a nice parallel	Feb 08 00:49
toros	Microsoft has much more power and might, that any other company or dictator had before in the history. People today use their computer for nearly everything...	Feb 08 00:49
PetoKraus	everytime someone comes in with problem to our shop	Feb 08 00:49
PetoKraus	windows related	Feb 08 00:49
PetoKraus	i take out linux livecd	Feb 08 00:49
PetoKraus	and fix it :D	Feb 08 00:49
toros	and who controls the computers, can control the peole	Feb 08 00:50
toros	and that's frightening	Feb 08 00:50
twitter	Yes it is frightening.	Feb 08 00:50
twitter	Imagine the power to annoy that Bill Gates has.	Feb 08 00:50
schestowitz	PetoKraus: the FUD goes like, "Linux users never have an issue because they know what they do."	Feb 08 00:50
schestowitz	Not because it JUST WORKS.	Feb 08 00:50
PetoKraus	yeah	Feb 08 00:50
twitter	He can find out who he does not like and learn all sorts of things about them.	Feb 08 00:51
twitter	He knows where you shop and can have people make sure the things you like don't make it to the shelf.	Feb 08 00:51
twitter	He knows your insurance company and can flip bits in their database so that your bills go unpaid.	Feb 08 00:51
schestowitz	Google controls your data, but not your physical PC	Feb 08 00:51
PetoKraus	schestowitz: you never know	Feb 08 00:52
PetoKraus	i don't trust anything closed	Feb 08 00:52
twitter	If Google has Windows on their desktops, Bill Gates controls Google.	Feb 08 00:52
schestowitz	Microsoft can suck (pull from PCs), Google can only have stuff 'pushed' onto it (passive, not consumption)	Feb 08 00:52
twitter	Google has sucked up a few M$ execs and employees, right? Their computers are owned even if they are loyal to Google.	Feb 08 00:52
schestowitz	Microsoft's puppet Forrester attacked Google just yesterday (ish)	Feb 08 00:53
PetoKraus	the only thing which is closed source on my 2 pc's, except wireless ucodes and driver firmwares, is one instance of flash i am not using	Feb 08 00:53
schestowitz	Something about SE fidelity	Feb 08 00:53
schestowitz	Let me find it	Feb 08 00:53
schestowitz	http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/dig...	Feb 08 00:53
schestowitz	"A new survey by Forrester Research concludes that such a turnabout could happen again, despite the solid and growing lead Google maintains in the search market. "	Feb 08 00:53
schestowitz	My response: Did Microsoft -bribe- pay Forrester for this one as well? This sounds like the anti-Linux studies Microsoft bought from Forrester, only directed at Google this time around.	Feb 08 00:54
toros	Microsoft's market share is like a loaded gun in the hand: you don't have to shot it to control people...	Feb 08 00:54
schestowitz	I also wrote: In case it's needed, I have a heap of examples to support the bribes links between those two. Forrester: rape us, corrupt us, pay us to do kinky things to your competitors.	Feb 08 00:54
twitter	The screenplay to the Matrix looked a little further into control of people by control of computers than the movie did. It included a nifty little deal where Neo gets the Brownies to unlock a car.	Feb 08 00:54
schestowitz	toros: bad for miliatires too. Several move to Linux	Feb 08 00:54
schestowitz	Had the US gone to war, it could force MS to suspend all PCs in enemy lines	Feb 08 00:55
schestowitz	Turkey, Germany and China are already drifting away from Windows, maybe for this reason. Russia too...	Feb 08 00:55
twitter	"They just do what they are told, they don't think about it. They are like part of a machine. If you control the machine, you control them."	Feb 08 00:55
twitter	There are worse things you can do to the enemy's computers than turn them off.	Feb 08 00:56
PetoKraus	right, third load of clothes successfully washed	Feb 08 00:56
PetoKraus	time to sleep	Feb 08 00:56
toros	for me too	Feb 08 00:56
twitter	You can listen in on their conversations and use the information to destroy them, as the US did to U-Boats in the second world war.	Feb 08 00:56
toros	It's 2:00 a.m. here...	Feb 08 00:56
twitter	Good night Peto and toros. Sweet dreams.	Feb 08 00:56
toros	It was a great talk	Feb 08 00:57
toros	bye	Feb 08 00:57
PetoKraus	it's not done yet	Feb 08 00:58
PetoKraus	:/	Feb 08 00:58
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schestowitz	Heh.	Feb 08 01:00
PetoKraus	my neighbours would have been pissed off	Feb 08 01:00
PetoKraus	but they are partying	Feb 08 01:00
PetoKraus	:)	Feb 08 01:00
schestowitz	Partying	Feb 08 01:02
PetoKraus	yeah	Feb 08 01:03
PetoKraus	overrated	Feb 08 01:03
schestowitz	Let me check the definition as I am curious	Feb 08 01:03
schestowitz	Hold on.	Feb 08 01:03
schestowitz	it's alot to do with imposed perceptions, so I want to see it formalised	Feb 08 01:03
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party	Feb 08 01:03
schestowitz	OK, so let's see if beverage is what a party comprises as a matter of 'norm' :-)	Feb 08 01:03
schestowitz	"A party is a gathering of persons who have been invited by a host for the purposes of socializing, conversation, and recreation. A party will typically feature eating and drinking, and often music and dancing as well."	Feb 08 01:04
schestowitz	OK	Feb 08 01:04
PetoKraus	right	Feb 08 01:04
schestowitz	So what do we have here? It's like the equivalent of tribal dances, no?	Feb 08 01:04
PetoKraus	what we usually throw is dinner party	Feb 08 01:04
schestowitz	When does a dinner become a party?	Feb 08 01:04
schestowitz	If/once you put wine on the table :-)	Feb 08 01:05
PetoKraus	just read the definition, roy	Feb 08 01:05
twitter	when you have good guests	Feb 08 01:05
PetoKraus	it's on the same page ;)	Feb 08 01:05
schestowitz	What if the guests are not good?	Feb 08 01:05
twitter	it can be a bore	Feb 08 01:05
schestowitz	Does it qualify as "party"?	Feb 08 01:05
PetoKraus	that's why you pick your guests	Feb 08 01:05
schestowitz	How about the phrase "hanging out"?	Feb 08 01:05
schestowitz	Or "going out"?	Feb 08 01:05
PetoKraus	that means casual sex	Feb 08 01:05
PetoKraus	;)	Feb 08 01:05
schestowitz	ic....	Feb 08 01:05
PetoKraus	* out with, ofc.	Feb 08 01:06
twitter	there's nothing wrong with having a good time.	Feb 08 01:06
PetoKraus	sure	Feb 08 01:06
PetoKraus	there's nothing bad to not employ these liberal practices though	Feb 08 01:06
PetoKraus	i'm too conservative for this	Feb 08 01:06
schestowitz	I am joking here.	Feb 08 01:06
PetoKraus	;)	Feb 08 01:06
schestowitz	It's curious when you look at patterns of behaviour as though you are an outsider	Feb 08 01:07
schestowitz	Where's that funny video I'm looking for...?	Feb 08 01:07
PetoKraus	sure	Feb 08 01:07
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PetoKraus	there was this nice video	Feb 08 01:07
twitter	preconceived notions can be harmful ... like the notions booze companies try to put into you.	Feb 08 01:07
PetoKraus	where a guy told another one how he would really really shag that one girl	Feb 08 01:07
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PetoKraus	and it turned out to be the other guy's daughter, who's mom was his new employer	Feb 08 01:08
PetoKraus	:D	Feb 08 01:08
twitter	tut tut...	Feb 08 01:08
twitter	that's called being a penis.	Feb 08 01:08
schestowitz	I can't find it now. Doug mailed it to me in December or so.	Feb 08 01:09
schestowitz	That video of a Kenyan guy analysing Bavarian behaviour	Feb 08 01:09
*PetoKraus np: The Alan Parsons Project - Psychobabble (Eye In The Sky)		Feb 08 01:10
twitter	I grew up in New Orleans. I've seen a lot of strange party ideas. I've had a few bad ideas of my own but generally had a good time.	Feb 08 01:10
PetoKraus	this song is absolutely amazing :)	Feb 08 01:10
twitter	People getting together and sharing, it's good even when it's bad.	Feb 08 01:11
PetoKraus	I'm too scared to run	Feb 08 01:13
PetoKraus	And I'm too weak to fight	Feb 08 01:13
PetoKraus	But I don't care it's all	Feb 08 01:13
PetoKraus	Psychobabble rap to me	Feb 08 01:13
PetoKraus	:)	Feb 08 01:13
schestowitz	Is sharing a paperbook like a novel a criminal offense?	Feb 08 01:14
schestowitz	Like giving it to your sibling?	Feb 08 01:14
twitter	no, like it's bad if some of the people are abusive.	Feb 08 01:19
twitter	even then, a party can be good if you let the abusive person know that abuse is wrong.	Feb 08 01:21
twitter	well, gotta go.	Feb 08 01:25
schestowitz	l8ers	Feb 08 01:27
schestowitz	Stupid journo (lackey) writes: "The company has done a reasonably good job developing Windows 7, according to early beta testers. " I told him: You mean, the ones Microsoft bribed with laptops? Don't accept 'consensus' do blindly. You'll be bamboozled. Vista too seemed exciting to journalists in 2006 ("Show us your wow!," remember?)	Feb 08 01:39
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schestowitz	Microsoft harms DNS again.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... (OpenDNS rolls out Conficker tracking, blocking)	Feb 08 01:45
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schestowitz	Oh Gawd...	Feb 08 01:56
schestowitz	twitter: check this out: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/ar...	Feb 08 01:56
schestowitz	Slashdot made an FP out of this site when you submitted and they seem to have snuck in a VERY old article into Slashdot now... one that they nicked from LXF	Feb 08 01:57
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schestowitz	http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~pau... "This. Is. ALPHA! [This post was supposed to be out yesterday, but somehow I managed to brush my touchpad the wrong way and... well, the dog ate my homework. Or WordPress did. Either way, sorry about the lateness of the hour, and all that. Revised now for more contemporary enjoyment. -- Ed.]"	Feb 08 02:08
schestowitz	That's the current leader of Fedora. One other Mandriva hacker has just joined Red Hat and he's moving to centos.. http://linsec.ca/blog/2009/02/06/upgradin...	Feb 08 02:11
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schestowitz	gn	Feb 08 02:59
oiaohm	Nothing is as much fun as server eating your homework	Feb 08 04:21
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Omar87	hi, schestowitz	Feb 08 07:06
acidburn	hello	Feb 08 07:06
Omar87	acidburn: Hi	Feb 08 07:06
Omar87	You might wanna see this: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks...	Feb 08 07:07
acidburn	hi imar	Feb 08 07:07
acidburn	sry,omar	Feb 08 07:08
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acidburn	hello there zerocool	Feb 08 07:08
zer0c00l	acidburn: welcome to boycottnovell	Feb 08 07:11
acidburn	thank uzerocool	Feb 08 07:11
zer0c00l	acidburn:thanks for what?	Feb 08 07:14
acidburn	for the welcome,duh	Feb 08 07:14
acidburn	courtesy :P	Feb 08 07:14
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acidburn	hi	Feb 08 08:55
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schestowitz	Morning.	Feb 08 09:32
trmanco	Microsoft's secret deals on open source: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/leader/0,1...	Feb 08 09:53
schestowitz	I think I saw that	Feb 08 09:53
schestowitz	I have another one on it	Feb 08 09:53
schestowitz	It shows the harms of the Novell deal which started all these extortions.	Feb 08 09:54
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schestowitz	Something has been hammering on BN since yesterday...	Feb 08 11:48
schestowitz	99.226.186.38 - 21509 pages! Is this an archiver?	Feb 08 11:49
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&...	Feb 08 11:49
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PetoKraus	schestowitz: http://ws.arin.net/whois/?queryinp...	Feb 08 11:59
schestowitz	I can't see it among recent visitor to check HTTP headers	Feb 08 12:02
schestowitz	Ã¢âÅÃ¢ââ¬(roy@localhost Sun, 08 Feb 09)Ã¢ââ¬—————— ——————————————Ã¢ââ¬(/home/roy/Desktop)Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢âÂ	Feb 08 12:04
schestowitz	Ã¢ââÃ¢ââ¬(12:04 $)Ã¢ââ¬> gunzip boycottnovell.com-Feb-2009.gz	Feb 08 12:04
schestowitz	Ã¢ââÃ¢ââ¬(12:05 $)Ã¢ââ¬> grep 99.226.186.38 boycottnovell.com-Feb-2009	Feb 08 12:05
schestowitz	99.226.186.38 - - [07/Feb/2009:21:27:52 -0500] "GET /wp2pdf/wp2pdf.php?p=1245 HTTP/1.1" 200 13982 "http://boycottnovell.com/2007/08/3..." "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) ; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506)"	Feb 08 12:05
schestowitz	It's just crawling all over the place. Maybe a zombie?	Feb 08 12:06
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Eruaran	hello	Feb 08 12:22
schestowitz	http://i.gizmodo.com/5144618/man-with-microsof... Man With Microsoft Tattoo Laid Off, Still Lives By Company Mantra	Feb 08 12:23
schestowitz	Hey, Eruaran	Feb 08 12:23
Eruaran	M$ latest propaganda onslaught is on I see	Feb 08 12:24
Eruaran	I've noticed they're banging the drum loudly now, attacking Linux on netbooks	Feb 08 12:25
schestowitz	Any new stuff?	Feb 08 12:25
Eruaran	you prolly posted them	Feb 08 12:25
schestowitz	Yes, it's like the "NC is Dead" tour	Feb 08 12:25
schestowitz	Microsoft operates like an unaccountable totality...details here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/19/ga...	Feb 08 12:26
schestowitz	I am working on another 66-page document about their criminal behavious, which is endorsed by Bill Gates. That too sheds light on how they fight Linux.	Feb 08 12:27
Eruaran	Have you heard about Windows 7 "starter" edition ?	Feb 08 12:28
Eruaran	Slated to be installed on netbooks ?	Feb 08 12:28
schestowitz	Yes	Feb 08 12:28
schestowitz	Vapourware exposed	Feb 08 12:28
Eruaran	Its pathetic	Feb 08 12:28
schestowitz	I am concerned about the behaviour, not the example	Feb 08 12:28
schestowitz	I'd rather expose the things I've been seeing	Feb 08 12:28
Eruaran	yes	Feb 08 12:28
schestowitz	I'm losing hope for this system	Feb 08 12:28
Eruaran	I have been discouraged lately	Feb 08 12:29
schestowitz	I've just found Reuters quoting a crony on Yahoo-Google	Feb 08 12:29
schestowitz	This is SICK	Feb 08 12:29
schestowitz	Nader and even Ron Paul say the truth and they get attacked by the press	Feb 08 12:29
schestowitz	Only the darlings of white-collar criminals can endure 'election' where the interests are nothing to do with candidates	Feb 08 12:29
Eruaran	I'm considering pre-installing Linux on all or most new desktop systems along side Windows installs	Feb 08 12:30
schestowitz	Look at THIS: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/...	Feb 08 12:30
schestowitz	It's SICK.	Feb 08 12:31
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Eruaran	I don't care if its just a 20GB "backup", I want to see it on peoples systems	Feb 08 12:31
schestowitz	Like with phramas, they ask and plead for subsidies for themselves to cash in public money	Feb 08 12:31
schestowitz	This is a well-known scam	Feb 08 12:31
schestowitz	They preach need for defense to feed technology (loot the public) and then say things like "R&D", which actually is bollox because studies have shown that this is just used for MARKETING	Feb 08 12:32
schestowitz	The public is ask to sponsored its own brainwash under guise like "security" (for tech) or "cancer" (for big pharmas)	Feb 08 12:32
schestowitz	And the Gates trolls is now feeding himself under "charity" guide	Feb 08 12:32
schestowitz	*guise	Feb 08 12:33
Eruaran	sounds like they're looking for a bailout	Feb 08 12:33
schestowitz	Feeding the big pharamas with government-imposed monopolies (patents) by pretending to contribute, then asking governments to chip in and FUND the pharmas his FOUNDRY is an INVESTOR in. He makes money from sentimental blackmail and the press refuses to see this.	Feb 08 12:34
schestowitz	This is very, very, very SICK.	Feb 08 12:34
Eruaran	This is why the US economy is collapsing	Feb 08 12:34
oiaohm	The are no rules in love war and business.	Feb 08 12:34
oiaohm	there are no rules in love war and business	Feb 08 12:34
schestowitz	I also see the self-appointed economic 'export'	Feb 08 12:35
schestowitz	*expert': http://uk.reuters.com/article/marke...	Feb 08 12:35
oiaohm	The goverments of the world are idiots	Feb 08 12:35
Eruaran	Every time a country is an attractive credit playground where banks and investors around the world invest in it and feed the credit monster - that country economically blows up. This is what is happening to the US right now.	Feb 08 12:35
oiaohm	Current money mess is caused by debt.	Feb 08 12:35
schestowitz	Prelude to either looting or opportunity to rob people of their rights. Classic case of invoking "emergency" to justify one's own exploitation of the system	Feb 08 12:36
oiaohm	Just they did not know they were owning.	Feb 08 12:36
schestowitz	Yes	Feb 08 12:36
schestowitz	Master Greenspan: spend, spend.	Feb 08 12:36
oiaohm	Solution to current money problems is deal with public debt.	Feb 08 12:36
Eruaran	Australia is much better off	Feb 08 12:36
Eruaran	economically	Feb 08 12:37
schestowitz	Like an obese man being told to eat more for the misery to go away	Feb 08 12:37
Eruaran	not immune, but better off	Feb 08 12:37
schestowitz	Yes	Feb 08 12:37
oiaohm	Ie if person is lossing all there income to credt cards and gambling there is no money free for businesses.	Feb 08 12:37
schestowitz	Microsoft digital ad shop Razorfish lays off 70 < http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesst... >\	Feb 08 12:37
oiaohm	Australia is heading into the grave yard very fast.	Feb 08 12:37
schestowitz	oiaohm: it doesn't matter to them if they are debt	Feb 08 12:37
schestowitz	They much public resources	Feb 08 12:37
oiaohm	Yes it does in time.	Feb 08 12:37
Eruaran	Australia is not in debt, they're debating on spending up the surplus and putting the country in deficit in order to stave off the spectre of mass unemployment	Feb 08 12:37
schestowitz	That is, the private company feed their founders at the expense of the broad 'economy'	Feb 08 12:38
oiaohm	Debts have to be paid back.	Feb 08 12:38
oiaohm	sooner or latter.	Feb 08 12:38
oiaohm	That is the complete problem in this system.	Feb 08 12:38
oiaohm	It will get really out of control if for colosures start on countries.	Feb 08 12:38
schestowitz	oiaohm: yes, CHina or Dubai will buy GM, GE, Citigroup etc. for pennies one day, if there's anything left of these.	Feb 08 12:38
oiaohm	Please notes that has happened in the past.	Feb 08 12:38
schestowitz	Yes	Feb 08 12:39
schestowitz	And no lessons learned	Feb 08 12:39
schestowitz	People have short memory spans.	Feb 08 12:39
oiaohm	We are not fully out of control of yet.	Feb 08 12:39
oiaohm	Spending more money is not the solution.	Feb 08 12:39
Eruaran	On one side, the opposition doesn't want the government to spend. But conversely, the commercial economy is convulsing... surpluses are saved up for emergencies like this one.	Feb 08 12:39
oiaohm	Making the money currently in the system stay it it longer is the solution.	Feb 08 12:39
schestowitz	They resort to fashionable consumption because commercials and consumerism trump logic.	Feb 08 12:39
oiaohm	Just lets say you cut off credit card debt.	Feb 08 12:40
schestowitz	"Out of funds? Get another credit card!"	Feb 08 12:40
oiaohm	How much of a boost do you think that would give.	Feb 08 12:40
oiaohm	Credit card you have to pay the extreamly high interest.	Feb 08 12:40
oiaohm	Or go under.	Feb 08 12:40
schestowitz	Eruaran: that why they embark on expansionism.	Feb 08 12:40
Eruaran	If the government does not spend to help business, then businesses will slash and burn, meaning mass unemployment. People can argue their ideology all they like. The fact is, here in Australia at least, that spending the surplus may be cheaper than paying unemployment benefits out to millions of unemployed people.	Feb 08 12:41
schestowitz	They take the suffering elsewhere to maintain domination... after the extermination of independence in America in the 80s	Feb 08 12:41
oiaohm	Eruaran goverment does not need to spend.	Feb 08 12:41
oiaohm	Instead they need to keep money cycling.	Feb 08 12:41
Eruaran	thats the problem	Feb 08 12:41
Eruaran	it isnt	Feb 08 12:41
oiaohm	What they are doing is like putting money in a bucket with millions of holes.	Feb 08 12:42
schestowitz	Government = corporations	Feb 08 12:42
oiaohm	It is not staying in the market.	Feb 08 12:42
Eruaran	well known nation wide businesses are already going under	Feb 08 12:42
schestowitz	You'd fool yourself if you thought they don't prioritise the managers and their bonuses.	Feb 08 12:42
schestowitz	That's why they have things like bailouts	Feb 08 12:42
Eruaran	Its a cycle	Feb 08 12:42
schestowitz	The money is better spent in other ways	Feb 08 12:42
Eruaran	This is a particularly bad one	Feb 08 12:42
oiaohm	BLocking credit cards and other major leachers of free money will release money to cycle.	Feb 08 12:42
schestowitz	But the public gets no vote on it	Feb 08 12:42
oiaohm	Remember banks are not loaning to each other either that much.	Feb 08 12:43
schestowitz	People like Murdoch and Ballmer get to say what's done to resolve the crisis folks like them creater	Feb 08 12:43
oiaohm	So market is in a stalled state.	Feb 08 12:43
Eruaran	they dont trust each other	Feb 08 12:43
Eruaran	you cant get money flowing if banks dont trust anyone	Feb 08 12:43
oiaohm	People are in fear so are paying of there debts	Feb 08 12:43
oiaohm	So no matter how much money you throw in at moment its all going to vaporise.	Feb 08 12:44
Eruaran	I saw an extraordinary ad on tv last night	Feb 08 12:44
oiaohm	In a few months.	Feb 08 12:44
Eruaran	some place was advertising the usual 'buy now pay later' credit thing	Feb 08 12:44
Eruaran	24 months interest free and all that	Feb 08 12:44
Eruaran	but...	Feb 08 12:44
oiaohm	Deal with what is causing it to vaporise.	Feb 08 12:44
Eruaran	they were advertising, "no credit checks"	Feb 08 12:44
Eruaran	thats desperate	Feb 08 12:44
amarsh04	whilst Dame Elizabeth Murdoch had her 100th birthday, Victoria had their worst bushfires on record	Feb 08 12:45
oiaohm	Then concider throwning money in.	Feb 08 12:45
Eruaran	oiaohm: yes, some credit company like GE Finance or something like that	Feb 08 12:45
Eruaran	oiaohm: oh wait... isn't GE in trouble already ?	Feb 08 12:45
oiaohm	Between bushfires and floods here we should have a large insurance money entering Australia.	Feb 08 12:46
oiaohm	The catch is making sure it don't vaporise.	Feb 08 12:46
Eruaran	the bushfires have been ba	Feb 08 12:46
Eruaran	bad	Feb 08 12:46
oiaohm	Its a really bad wind that brings no good.	Feb 08 12:46
Eruaran	bushfires in victoria and flooding in queensland	Feb 08 12:46
oiaohm	they have unlocked a lot of money that otherwise would not have been freed.	Feb 08 12:46
oiaohm	So nature causes stimulase package	Feb 08 12:47
Eruaran	I could walk outside on Saturday and see the haze of the bushfires in the distance	Feb 08 12:47
Eruaran	Despite M$ dirty tactics and propaganda, our customers are interested in Linux systems	Feb 08 12:47
schestowitz	Eruaran: yes, GE is in trouble	Feb 08 12:48
Eruaran	It makes $300 difference to the price	Feb 08 12:48
schestowitz	My sister works for GE (cough cough*)	Feb 08 12:48
Eruaran	And customers are interested in $300 difference in price	Feb 08 12:48
schestowitz	Vista 3 should be the name of the new one..	Feb 08 12:48
schestowitz	VIsta 2 could simply imply 2 processes	Feb 08 12:49
schestowitz	It's like Vista, but hey.. it can do 3 tasks... that's more than the iPhone	Feb 08 12:49
oiaohm	Down turns alway have helped open source.	Feb 08 12:49
oiaohm	remember before the dot com bust.	Feb 08 12:49
Eruaran	We put a demo on in the store so people can see and try out a Linux system	Feb 08 12:49
oiaohm	Open source really was just a odd ball thing.	Feb 08 12:49
Eruaran	This makes a world of difference	Feb 08 12:50
Eruaran	Its suddeenly not so scary for the customer	Feb 08 12:50
oiaohm	KDE 4.x is slowly coming into shape.	Feb 08 12:50
schestowitz	IBMisation of Microsoft: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?...	Feb 08 12:50
Eruaran	Complete equipped system, no crippleware, no trialware, no viruses, no spyware, loads of apps, OpenOffice, speed and stability, not hard to use - $300 cheaper...	Feb 08 12:51
Eruaran	Linux is becoming more compelling for people	Feb 08 12:51
schestowitz	"Under program, customers will get credits if no support response within 30 minutes" Sounds like Red Hat/Oracle/IBM... is Microsoft realising that giving WIndows for free and offering support is their way forward?	Feb 08 12:51
schestowitz	US$250	Feb 08 12:53
schestowitz	http://news.cnet.com/8301-13845...	Feb 08 12:53
schestowitz	"It’s not quite as compelling as the $178 Dell Mini 9 from last week, but it’s definitely a better deal overall: Newegg has the Acer Aspire One Netbook for $239.99 shipped. It’s new, not a refurb, and there are no rebates."	Feb 08 12:53
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Eruaran	Microsoft wants people to believe nobody wants Linux on netbooks	Feb 08 12:56
Eruaran	they blow out of all proportion HP for example, dropping certain Linux models, as if HP is quitting Linux on netbooks... but they aren't, they are dumping SUSE and releasing new systems that are Ubuntu with a custom HP interface	Feb 08 12:57
Eruaran	The big manufacturers are still learning what works and what doesnt with customers	Feb 08 12:58
schestowitz	Eruaran: they have done this for a while.	Feb 08 12:58
Eruaran	For those who have had problems, the problem hasn't been Linux, its been the wrong implementation	Feb 08 12:58
schestowitz	They also 'joice-jack'	Feb 08 12:58
schestowitz	*voice	Feb 08 12:58
schestowitz	Eruaran: what do you propose as ways of coutering this?	Feb 08 12:59
PetoKraus	time	Feb 08 12:59
schestowitz	Some people tirelessly say "no, you're wrong"	Feb 08 12:59
schestowitz	Actually, PetoKraus see this BS at work too	Feb 08 12:59
Eruaran	schestowitz: better implementations	Feb 08 12:59
PetoKraus	schestowitz: sooner or later these folks will die off	Feb 08 13:00
schestowitz	My method is different. I try to show the internal mechanism to impose this disinformation, some of which is criminal, AFAIK	Feb 08 13:00
schestowitz	Microsoft also stood trial for vapourware tactics	Feb 08 13:01
Eruaran	schestowitz: What is most popular with users already, will work better on netbooks (Ubuntu is better than Suse for example). A simple interface that isnt suffocating (Dell has done a good job in this respect, their Ubuntu netbooks are a winner).	Feb 08 13:01
schestowitz	This came from the top, people like Gates and Myhrvold. They don't see rules as applicable to them.	Feb 08 13:01
schestowitz	Eruaran: yes, looks like it, but they are facing an army of bullies that smile (Microsoft+ecosystem)	Feb 08 13:02
schestowitz	I'll expose some docs shortly.	Feb 08 13:02
schestowitz	The peril is, well... how do you get enough people to become aware of this?	Feb 08 13:02
schestowitz	http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/time-st... "I am not going to debate the credit rating of GE, nor will I discuss the layoffs at Microsoft. These are happening to every other company too, and the risk already is built into share prices of these companies."	Feb 08 13:03
Eruaran	I've seen HP's interface for their own Ubuntu based netbooks its shiny and black but its suffocating and inflexible. It will ultimately be a failure. They could learn more from looking at what Dell has done with Ubuntu, a simple and enjoyable netbook interface (which uses compiz), but one which is easily set aside for a normal Ubuntu desktop if you want, there's no suffocation, only convenience.	Feb 08 13:03
oiaohm	compiz is trouble	Feb 08 13:04
oiaohm	Same with pulseaudio	Feb 08 13:05
Eruaran	argh	Feb 08 13:05
Eruaran	pulseaudio is horrible	Feb 08 13:05
oiaohm	after disinfecting ubuntu of its evils its nice.	Feb 08 13:05
Eruaran	why did they put that in there	Feb 08 13:05
schestowitz	Eruaran: the HP UI is not for 'US'	Feb 08 13:06
schestowitz	*'Us'	Feb 08 13:06
oiaohm	Have to have Vista's per application audio volume controls you know Eruaran	Feb 08 13:06
oiaohm	Basically ubuntu guys are partly nuts.	Feb 08 13:06
Eruaran	schestowitz: true	Feb 08 13:06
schestowitz	oiaohm: pulseaudio is OK for me.. in Mandriva	Feb 08 13:06
Eruaran	I read what Aaron Seigo had to say about Pulseaudio	Feb 08 13:06
schestowitz	I had my first issue with it just days ago, so I needed to restart	Feb 08 13:07
Eruaran	I agreed with him entirely	Feb 08 13:07
Eruaran	Pulseaudio causes daily sound dropouts and problems on my system	Feb 08 13:07
Eruaran	Kill Pulseaudio, and things start working again	Feb 08 13:07
oiaohm	schestowitz: been lucky.	Feb 08 13:09
oiaohm	pulseaudio is like compiz people go months without problems.	Feb 08 13:09
oiaohm	Then it decides to go boom.	Feb 08 13:09
Eruaran	Ive never had major issues with compiz... touch wood	Feb 08 13:09
oiaohm	I have	Feb 08 13:10
oiaohm	Compiz + ATI particularly bad.	Feb 08 13:10
Eruaran	ah	Feb 08 13:10
Eruaran	I have nvidia	Feb 08 13:10
oiaohm	Compiz + Nvidia stable.	Feb 08 13:10
Eruaran	I was gonna switch back to KDE today	Feb 08 13:10
oiaohm	Anything using a DRI 1 style video card driver don't run compiz on if you don't want it returned.	Feb 08 13:10
Eruaran	But I was too lazy and slept instead	Feb 08 13:10
schestowitz	Heh. http://www.examiner.com/x-1495-Seattle-Jo...	Feb 08 13:10
schestowitz	"The Association of Washington Business and the Washington Roundtable, whose members include Microsoft and Boeing) are against Gov. Gregoire's plan, and their fear is that if unemployment continues to rise, they believe it will cause higher unemployment taxes in 2010 and beyond."	Feb 08 13:10
schestowitz	Yeah, let Microsoft et al decide 'for the public'	Feb 08 13:11
oiaohm	Ie VIA INTEL ATI all effected by DRI 1 defects.	Feb 08 13:11
oiaohm	I have more work now than I had 6 months ago.	Feb 08 13:11
oiaohm	Most of the issue I am doing different work to what I did 6 months ago.	Feb 08 13:12
oiaohm	This is part of the issue people cannot adpet to the problems.	Feb 08 13:12
schestowitz	Since when has pulseaudio been in most distros? Fedora 9 first..?	Feb 08 13:13
schestowitz	I think Red Hat hired its dev	Feb 08 13:13
oiaohm	Fedora is secound	Feb 08 13:14
oiaohm	Ubuntu had it first.	Feb 08 13:14
oiaohm	Yes case of Ubuntu brain fried is Pulseaudio..	Feb 08 13:14
amarsh04	back soon, trying to get to the bottom of okular crashing	Feb 08 13:15
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schestowitz	Pulseaudio's been good to me.	Feb 08 13:17
schestowitz	rami had problems with it (see last night's log)	Feb 08 13:17
schestowitz	He uses Ubuntu	Feb 08 13:17
trmanco	Ubuntu + Compiz Fusion is stable at least for me and my cousin	Feb 08 13:19
trmanco	I'm using OSS drivers, my cousin is using the proprietary blob	Feb 08 13:19
schestowitz	Same here.	Feb 08 13:20
trmanco	both of our chips are R430 based	Feb 08 13:21
oiaohm	I have been in the winehq forum long enough.	Feb 08 13:23
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oiaohm	I have had thousands of people tell me compiz is stable on Dri 1 hardware only to have to say sorry later when its malfunctioned.	Feb 08 13:24
oiaohm	Its out comes are nice mixed bag.	Feb 08 13:24
oiaohm	everything from interface completely dieing to opengl programs failing to start and sometimes just disappearing windows without reason.	Feb 08 13:25
oiaohm	This has nothing to do with distribution. Its everything to do with the way DRI 1 is designed. Only 1 opengl application at a time on DRI 1.	Feb 08 13:25
oiaohm	With compiz + a opengl program you end up with two that equals big bad problems.	Feb 08 13:26
oiaohm	Its a race condition.	Feb 08 13:26
oiaohm	So its completely random and timeing linked. Basically running compiz on DRI 1 hardware is playing loto it will break question is how long will your luck hold.	Feb 08 13:27
PetoKraus	i mean - per app audio setting is nice	Feb 08 13:31
PetoKraus	but most of the apps already have software volume control	Feb 08 13:31
oiaohm	At what price PetoKraus	Feb 08 13:31
oiaohm	Crashing audio stack worth it?	Feb 08 13:31
PetoKraus	no	Feb 08 13:31
PetoKraus	did you read what i wrote?	Feb 08 13:31
schestowitz	I'm sure it'll mature	Feb 08 13:32
schestowitz	Maybe merged too soon by Canonical	Feb 08 13:32
PetoKraus	maybe	Feb 08 13:32
PetoKraus	i don't think that it's a good idea to put this in the stack	Feb 08 13:32
Eruaran	complicated = bad	Feb 08 13:33
PetoKraus	proper apps have software volume control already (smplayer, gstreamer-based quodlibet etc)	Feb 08 13:33
Eruaran	its unnecessary	Feb 08 13:33
amarsh04	a friendly kde person suggested running "kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental" as user which stopped okular crashing	Feb 08 13:33
amarsh04	I still like having a sound card with hardware mixer and hardware MIDI synth	Feb 08 13:34
Eruaran	kde persons are always friendly ;)	Feb 08 13:34
PetoKraus	yeah	Feb 08 13:34
amarsh04	okular is still way slower than kpdf	Feb 08 13:34
Eruaran	you think so ?	Feb 08 13:35
Eruaran	I haven't noticed	Feb 08 13:35
PetoKraus	well the whole KDE4.2 runs slower on my machine than almost anything else (incl. W7); i hope they'll get the performance up	Feb 08 13:35
Eruaran	I like being able to annotate pdf files without having to use acrobat	Feb 08 13:35
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Eruaran	PetoKraus: thats wierd	Feb 08 13:36
Eruaran	Runs fast on everything I've had it on	Feb 08 13:36
PetoKraus	maybe it's cause of nouveau	Feb 08 13:36
Eruaran	driver ?	Feb 08 13:36
PetoKraus	y	Feb 08 13:36
Eruaran	that'd be it	Feb 08 13:37
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PetoKraus	but anyway, it's way slower than E17...	Feb 08 13:37
oiaohm_	nouveau is highly ustable	Feb 08 13:37
Eruaran	I like E17	Feb 08 13:37
PetoKraus	oiaohm_: yes, but it's still better than nv	Feb 08 13:37
oiaohm_	Anything is better than nv	Feb 08 13:37
oiaohm_	My Nvidia card here does not work with nv driver.	Feb 08 13:37
Eruaran	I'm still using Nvidia's blob	Feb 08 13:38
Eruaran	180.x	Feb 08 13:38
PetoKraus	i'd have to use the legacy 96.x one	Feb 08 13:38
oiaohm_	vesa works Nvidia blob works nouveau fires up. Nv pure random crap drawn all over screen.	Feb 08 13:38
amarsh04	just trying the file open dialogue again... any file dialogue on my Debian unstable system that peeks into the files before getting a list of all files in the directory is not a good implementation of a file open dialogue in my opinion	Feb 08 13:38
Eruaran	KDE 4.2 is noticably faster and smoother on Nvidia with their latest driver	Feb 08 13:39
amarsh04	okular took 40 seconds to populate the file open window in a large fat-32 directory, kpdf took 15 seconds in the same directory	Feb 08 13:42
amarsh04	okular timing was after previously opening the file open dialogue so the directory would have already been cached	Feb 08 13:43
Eruaran	ok	Feb 08 13:43
Eruaran	thats a bit slow	Feb 08 13:44
PetoKraus	http://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2...	Feb 08 13:44
PetoKraus	:D	Feb 08 13:44

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