| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 27 00:00 |
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| wispygalaxy | hi roy! | Feb 27 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Long time no see | Feb 27 00:00 |
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| Balrog | hi | Feb 27 00:00 |
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| wispygalaxy | same here hehe :) | Feb 27 00:00 |
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| wispygalaxy | missed ya | Feb 27 00:00 |
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| *schestowitz reminds channel wispygalaxy is female | Feb 27 00:00 |
| wispygalaxy | yes lol | Feb 27 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway.. | Feb 27 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | So TomTom's in the news now. | Feb 27 00:01 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes i heard | Feb 27 00:01 |
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| wispygalaxy | linux is in court :( | Feb 27 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | No, TomTom. | Feb 27 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's not a Linux case | Feb 27 00:01 |
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| wispygalaxy | oh ok | Feb 27 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | But a portion is put to the test | Feb 27 00:01 |
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| wispygalaxy | on digg, there were posts saying "ms is suing linux" | Feb 27 00:01 |
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| wispygalaxy | did you see them? | Feb 27 00:02 |
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| Balrog | in any case, isn't there prior art on FAT naming, or is that not applicable here? | Feb 27 00:02 |
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| wispygalaxy | same wording | Feb 27 00:02 |
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| wispygalaxy | did ms wait too long to sue? | Feb 27 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: I didn't see them | Feb 27 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | I hardly read Digg or submit much | Feb 27 00:03 |
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| wispygalaxy | they were in upcoming | Feb 27 00:03 |
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| Balrog | I hope they did .... 13 years is a bit long (that's the length of time I hear it took them to sue) | Feb 27 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | I'll be back though. | Feb 27 00:03 |
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| wispygalaxy | you had good stuff on there roy | Feb 27 00:03 |
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| wispygalaxy | cool balrog | Feb 27 00:03 |
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| wispygalaxy | digg is not the same like last year | Feb 27 00:04 |
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| Balrog | The post on digg is "Microsoft suit over FAT patents could open OSS Pandora's Box" | Feb 27 00:04 |
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| wispygalaxy | i barely read the Front Page anymore | Feb 27 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Digg used to be a favourite, but mostly in mid-2006 | Feb 27 00:04 |
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| wispygalaxy | upcoming is where i'm at | Feb 27 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | front page of Digg is a mess for news | Feb 27 00:04 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes, i saw your stuff from 2006-2007 | Feb 27 00:04 |
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| wispygalaxy | i blocked all political news from the FP | Feb 27 00:04 |
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| wispygalaxy | it's more tolerable that way ;) | Feb 27 00:05 |
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| wispygalaxy | i go on reddit more | Feb 27 00:05 |
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| Balrog | I read slashdot | Feb 27 00:06 |
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| wispygalaxy | i do at times | Feb 27 00:06 |
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| wispygalaxy | i saw the poll they had. it asked how much do you really work | Feb 27 00:06 |
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| wispygalaxy | so roy, have you used kde 4.2 yet? | Feb 27 00:07 |
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| Balrog | I have ... it's great | Feb 27 00:07 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes, it's really neat | Feb 27 00:07 |
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| Balrog | much better than GNOME for usability | Feb 27 00:08 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes, customization is good | Feb 27 00:08 |
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| wispygalaxy | i'm into eye candy a lot | Feb 27 00:08 |
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| Balrog | (KDE was terrible in 4.0 and bad in 4.1 , and I preferred GNOME over KDE3) | Feb 27 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: no yet, not until I move on to the next distro | Feb 27 00:08 |
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| Balrog | I use gentoo | Feb 27 00:08 |
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| Balrog | but KDE4.2 I tested on Fedora 10 | Feb 27 00:09 |
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| wispygalaxy | that's cool balrog! | Feb 27 00:09 |
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| wispygalaxy | thats ok roy | Feb 27 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | I might use/try BLOG next (Mandriva is perfect, but [H]omer is now developing BLAG) | Feb 27 00:09 |
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| wispygalaxy | 4.0 wasnt 100% ready, i agree | Feb 27 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | *BLAG | Feb 27 00:09 |
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| Balrog | 4.0 wasn't 55% ready | Feb 27 00:09 |
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| wispygalaxy | i've seen homer's site, very informative | Feb 27 00:09 |
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| Balrog | Fedora is already on one CD | Feb 27 00:09 |
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| wispygalaxy | haha balrog | Feb 27 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | But it's Enlightenment-based (mostly), maybe some KDE4 packages somewhere too. Will travel, will compile:-) | Feb 27 00:10 |
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| wispygalaxy | i will always do net installs, never from DVDs | Feb 27 00:10 |
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| Balrog | hm. I get all choice I want with Gentoo. | Feb 27 00:10 |
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| wispygalaxy | haha nice roy | Feb 27 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Unless it's mono | Feb 27 00:10 |
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| Balrog | gentoo's bootstrap system is nic. | Feb 27 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | The choice is DIABLO | Feb 27 00:10 |
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| Balrog | nice * | Feb 27 00:10 |
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| wispygalaxy | ive never tried enlightenment, it looks great | Feb 27 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | It has Compiz now too | Feb 27 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | Novell's work in part | Feb 27 00:11 |
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| Balrog | Mono ... well, once you start trying latest svn, you're on your own in Gentoo | Feb 27 00:11 |
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| wispygalaxy | gentoo is very powerful, i see :) | Feb 27 00:11 |
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| wispygalaxy | compiz FTW | Feb 27 00:11 |
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| Balrog | the Mono guys say it's Gentoo's fault that stuff doesn't work | Feb 27 00:11 |
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| wispygalaxy | it swayed me to use linux | Feb 27 00:11 |
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| Balrog | compiz is great. But the GPU in my gentoo box is too slow for it | Feb 27 00:12 |
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| Balrog | I use XFCE | Feb 27 00:12 |
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| wispygalaxy | ooo minimal | Feb 27 00:12 |
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| Balrog | yeah, it's not a very fast system ... 1.5GHz / 1.5GB ram | Feb 27 00:12 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: if you wanna try E, use elive | Feb 27 00:12 |
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| PetoKraus | it's well prepackaged | Feb 27 00:12 |
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| wispygalaxy | i have a 1.73GHz processor for my lappy | Feb 27 00:12 |
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| wispygalaxy | hello, pk! | Feb 27 00:12 |
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| Balrog | heh | Feb 27 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | hi there | Feb 27 00:13 |
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| wispygalaxy | elive is based on debian, right? | Feb 27 00:13 |
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| Balrog | I know, but I want speed, and GUI isn't very crucial | Feb 27 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | yes | Feb 27 00:13 |
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| wispygalaxy | cool, i use debian right now | Feb 27 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 27 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | i started on elive... | Feb 27 00:13 |
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| wispygalaxy | i like gui over speed ;) | Feb 27 00:13 |
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| PetoKraus | used it for 2 months | Feb 27 00:14 |
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| Balrog | cool. I find Fedora 10 nicer than Ubuntu btw | Feb 27 00:14 |
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| PetoKraus | and then moved to debian | Feb 27 00:14 |
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| wispygalaxy | fedora has a great gui | Feb 27 00:14 |
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| wispygalaxy | nice, pk | Feb 27 00:14 |
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| wispygalaxy | when did you start using debian? | Feb 27 00:15 |
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| PetoKraus | i used it since december 2007 till march-april 2008 | Feb 27 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: If I can run KDE apps, then I might give it a go. I change distros each time I do an install (because it's more fun). | Feb 27 00:15 |
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| PetoKraus | then it was gentoo for 5-6 months | Feb 27 00:16 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: it uses debian repos, so you should | Feb 27 00:16 |
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| wispygalaxy | im the only one who hasn't experienced the power of gentoo in this irc room lol :( | Feb 27 00:16 |
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| wispygalaxy | i only have tried ubuntu and debian | Feb 27 00:16 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes, distro switching sounds fun roy | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| wispygalaxy | something new | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| Balrog | what uses debian repos? Gentoo downloads directly from the source, and applies patches from Gentoo if needed | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: oh, that's right.... I didn't know it was still binary compatible. | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Was someone called Rayman doing it? | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| PetoKraus | yes, it was at the time i used it | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| Balrog | Gento is tricky to set up though ... but once it's up and running it's rock-solid | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| PetoKraus | you better ask in #elive | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| wispygalaxy | i had XP for 3 years at home along with IE6, i cant imagine doing that again XD | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | A Begian guy, IIRC | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| PetoKraus | Balrog: no it isn't | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | *Belg | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: he's called thanatermesis | Feb 27 00:17 |
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| Balrog | PetoKraus: you mean use the Live CD? | Feb 27 00:18 |
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| Balrog | I don't do that :P | Feb 27 00:18 |
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| wispygalaxy | i hope to try out gentoo one day ;) | Feb 27 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it's like a restaurant or a vacation. It's all similar, but changing fulfills human curiosity. | Feb 27 00:18 |
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| PetoKraus | Balrog: no, gentoo is not rock-solid | Feb 27 00:18 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 27 00:18 |
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| PetoKraus | depends how you set it up | Feb 27 00:19 |
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| Balrog | it's as rock solid as any linux | Feb 27 00:19 |
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| PetoKraus | in theory, it's quite solid, not as debian, but it is solid | Feb 27 00:19 |
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| wispygalaxy | nice to see you have a open mind, roy :D | Feb 27 00:19 |
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| PetoKraus | but package managers tend to screw up quite a lot | Feb 27 00:19 |
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| wispygalaxy | i like trying out new foods and clothes | Feb 27 00:19 |
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| Balrog | yeah, so you have to (a) make a local portage tree and (b) make some modifications | Feb 27 00:19 |
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| Balrog | at least in some cases | Feb 27 00:20 |
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| Balrog | I'm running unstable btw | Feb 27 00:20 |
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| Balrog | ( ~x86 ) | Feb 27 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | i was as well | Feb 27 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | it was stable branches which have been borked | Feb 27 00:20 |
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| Balrog | heh. | Feb 27 00:20 |
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| wispygalaxy | there's a big speed difference between debian and ubuntu | Feb 27 00:20 |
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| Balrog | which is faster, and why? | Feb 27 00:20 |
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| wispygalaxy | i had both on my laptop; debian is lightning fast | Feb 27 00:20 |
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| PetoKraus | kernel | Feb 27 00:21 |
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| wispygalaxy | ubuntu lagged at the startup | Feb 27 00:21 |
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| PetoKraus | ubuntu has 300Hz i'd guess | Feb 27 00:21 |
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| PetoKraus | debian has 250 or 100Hz, i'm not quite sure | Feb 27 00:21 |
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| Balrog | look in /proc/config.gz | Feb 27 00:21 |
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| wispygalaxy | so debian can use resources more efficiently, you mean? | Feb 27 00:21 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't have any of them installed, i cant ;) | Feb 27 00:21 |
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| Balrog | it's more about kernel interrupts I think | Feb 27 00:22 |
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| Balrog | PetoKraus: why? | Feb 27 00:22 |
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| wispygalaxy | ohhh ok, cool | Feb 27 00:22 |
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| PetoKraus | Balrog: why what? :) | Feb 27 00:22 |
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| Balrog | you can't run any? | Feb 27 00:22 |
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| wispygalaxy | have you guys ever triple booted | Feb 27 00:22 |
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| Balrog | and what are you running? | Feb 27 00:22 |
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| Balrog | I use VM's | Feb 27 00:22 |
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| PetoKraus | arch. | Feb 27 00:22 |
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| Balrog | I have multi-booted | Feb 27 00:22 |
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| wispygalaxy | vm is cool, i would like to try it out | Feb 27 00:23 |
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| PetoKraus | i've been told to try it when I was pissed off at gentoo | Feb 27 00:23 |
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| PetoKraus | and it stuck. | Feb 27 00:23 |
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| Balrog | hm. | Feb 27 00:23 |
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| wispygalaxy | arch is really fast i heard | Feb 27 00:23 |
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| PetoKraus | it's not about being fast | Feb 27 00:23 |
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| Balrog | what about this talk about Opensolaris and nexenta? anyone tried it? | Feb 27 00:24 |
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| wispygalaxy | when using vm, what did you swtich between? | Feb 27 00:24 |
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| PetoKraus | it's more about better organisation of the distribution... while Gentoo offers you slightly more flexibility (well, more flexibility easily compared to arch), this causes headaches for the devs. On arch, you have to be experienced to make it really really gentoo-ish flexible (PKGBUILD editing), but the package managers have it easy | Feb 27 00:25 |
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| tessier_ | Balrog: It looks interesting but I don't trust Sun or their license so I would never depend on it. Therefore it's a toy. | Feb 27 00:25 |
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| Balrog | me? I have OS X as the host (at home) and Windows, Fedora, and Ubuntu. At school/work, I have a Gentoo system | Feb 27 00:25 |
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| Balrog | (the one I'm talking about) | Feb 27 00:25 |
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| PetoKraus | it's dead easy to install a package from outside of your repository tree in arch, in gentoo you need overlays etc | Feb 27 00:25 |
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| wispygalaxy | thats very interesting, pk. one of my friends at school used arch in the past, and he liked pacman | Feb 27 00:25 |
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| PetoKraus | the only thing i miss from gentoo is proper package block | Feb 27 00:26 |
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| Balrog | Gentoo is also good because *everything* is built from source. So you know what's going on with the code. (no one sneaked bad code into a binary build.) | Feb 27 00:26 |
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| wispygalaxy | that's cool balrog, thats a nice variety | Feb 27 00:26 |
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| Balrog | I do have to deal with Solaris though (on SPARC) | Feb 27 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.kev009.com/wp/2009/02/i-hate-ubuntu/ "I hate Ubuntu. I immediately lose respect for anyone who runs it, and especially those who advocate it. " | Feb 27 00:27 |
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| wispygalaxy | i love synaptic, btw | Feb 27 00:27 |
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| PetoKraus | Balrog: yeah, on the other hand, gentoo tends to patch a lot. Arch gives you all the "ebuilds" (PKGBUILDs) in an app called Arch Build System. Most packages are vanilla in arch. | Feb 27 00:27 |
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| PetoKraus | therefore you can rebuild the package using ABS, or just do a version bump if new one is released | Feb 27 00:27 |
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| wispygalaxy | balrog, it's nice how gentoo gives you control. i wish i knew how to do it | Feb 27 00:27 |
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| PetoKraus | wispygalaxy: gentoo is very good learning tool | Feb 27 00:28 |
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| wispygalaxy | thanks for the link. roy | Feb 27 00:28 |
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| PetoKraus | you should try it | Feb 27 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes, but I dual boot (Linux and... Linux) | Feb 27 00:28 |
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| Balrog | does Arch have the USE flag system? | Feb 27 00:28 |
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| wispygalaxy | ok i will, it will be one of my goals | Feb 27 00:28 |
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| Balrog | (which is one of the best features of Gentoo) | Feb 27 00:28 |
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| wispygalaxy | haha nice roy | Feb 27 00:28 |
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| wispygalaxy | both using kde, roy? | Feb 27 00:28 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: I don't dual boot in Windows anymore. I have a second partition, but that changes frequently | Feb 27 00:29 |
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| PetoKraus | Balrog: no it doesn't, but you don't really need it unless you are ricer | Feb 27 00:29 |
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| Balrog | I have a windows VM just-in-case though | Feb 27 00:29 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: yes. | Feb 27 00:29 |
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| wispygalaxy | :) | Feb 27 00:29 |
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| PetoKraus | and if you want to say, build gnash againist agg instead of opengl | Feb 27 00:29 |
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| PetoKraus | you just change the pkgbuild ;) | Feb 27 00:29 |
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| PetoKraus | there's optional dependency handling | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| Balrog | erm that's messy, IMO | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| wispygalaxy | do you use windows for games, balrog? | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| Balrog | us flags are much cleaner | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| Balrog | not games, certain pro software that requires it | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| PetoKraus | theoretically they are cleaner | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | Windows to a computer is like the paper stuffing that comes inside shoes | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| PetoKraus | when it comes to what they can cause, no thanks :D | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | It's there even if you don't need it, but you remove it | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| Balrog | I only use it if I have no other choice | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| wispygalaxy | XD roy | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| PetoKraus | there was this very nice bug in gentoo last year | Feb 27 00:30 |
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| Balrog | PetoKraus: what USE-flags cause? | Feb 27 00:31 |
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| wispygalaxy | haha a schestowizm | Feb 27 00:31 |
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| PetoKraus | basically some people have been locked out of their system..... | Feb 27 00:31 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: I have a Mac, so that doesn't apply | Feb 27 00:31 |
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| Balrog | yeah, I have Mac OS, but it's certainly better than Windows | Feb 27 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: Macs run Linux too | Feb 27 00:31 |
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| Balrog | And I don't pay for Windows (get it through school as they have MSDN) | Feb 27 00:31 |
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| PetoKraus | folks, which were using stable and had enabled kerberos useflag systemwide and upgraded their system, and had openssl systemwide were borked.... | Feb 27 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Linus uses a Mac | Feb 27 00:31 |
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| Balrog | yes, I have Linux VMs | Feb 27 00:31 |
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| PetoKraus | because there was some conflicts - all in all, your wget wouldn't work because of some dependency ripple | Feb 27 00:32 |
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| wispygalaxy | didnt linus diss the mac os filesystem lol | Feb 27 00:32 |
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| PetoKraus | (triggered by system wide kerberos and openssl) | Feb 27 00:32 |
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| Balrog | Dual-booting is annoying though so I don't like to do it | Feb 27 00:32 |
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| Balrog | the mac os file system is an interesting beast. | Feb 27 00:32 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes grub can be annoying at times | Feb 27 00:32 |
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| Balrog | see http://osxbook.com/software/hfsdebug/ and the related chapter in Singh's book if you want to know all about it :P | Feb 27 00:33 |
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| wispygalaxy | macs outnumber windows pcs at my school | Feb 27 00:33 |
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| Balrog | it does need to be replaced eventually | Feb 27 00:33 |
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| Balrog | (it's somewhat archaic) | Feb 27 00:33 |
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| Balrog | I hear they're working with Sun on ZFS for Mac | Feb 27 00:33 |
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| wispygalaxy | when you walk past the couches in the study area, you can see netbooks too | Feb 27 00:33 |
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| Balrog | Linux netbooks? | Feb 27 00:33 |
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| Balrog | I've seen some with XP | Feb 27 00:33 |
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| wispygalaxy | thanks balrog! | Feb 27 00:33 |
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| wispygalaxy | for the link | Feb 27 00:33 |
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| Balrog | np | Feb 27 00:34 |
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| Balrog | also http://zfs.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/ | Feb 27 00:34 |
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| wispygalaxy | i think some linux | Feb 27 00:34 |
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| Balrog | for the ZFS driver (it's not too stable yet) | Feb 27 00:34 |
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| Balrog | good. windows on a netbook sucks | Feb 27 00:34 |
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| Balrog | btw, the OS X Internals book by Singh is really good if you want to know how it works inside | Feb 27 00:34 |
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| wispygalaxy | my mom really liked the dell mini with ubuntu, she thought it looked easier to use than windows. | Feb 27 00:35 |
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| wispygalaxy | i still help her with using a computer | Feb 27 00:35 |
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| PetoKraus | my mom really liked my E desktop with dock... | Feb 27 00:35 |
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| PetoKraus | though my colour scheme is a bit intimidating at first | Feb 27 00:35 |
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| Balrog | also he wrote about the encryption they use ... see http://osxbook.com/book/bonu... and http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapt... | Feb 27 00:35 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes its interesting to know how it all works, balrog | Feb 27 00:35 |
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| Balrog | cool | Feb 27 00:35 |
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| Balrog | btw, the key they use is rather funny, but I won't say it here | Feb 27 00:36 |
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| wispygalaxy | i dont think i saw any netbooks with XP here | Feb 27 00:36 |
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| PetoKraus | (http://pk.gjhak.sk/old/.storage/2009-...) | Feb 27 00:36 |
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| wispygalaxy | haha balrog | Feb 27 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | News: You Want A Beautiful OS? Try Elive < http://maketecheasier.com/you-want-a-bea... > | Feb 27 00:36 |
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| wispygalaxy | thanks for teaching me all that balrog, with the links | Feb 27 00:36 |
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| wispygalaxy | it looks fantastic, roy | Feb 27 00:37 |
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| Balrog | np | Feb 27 00:37 |
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| Balrog | I have more info, but it's a lot | Feb 27 00:37 |
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| wispygalaxy | nice screenshot pk | Feb 27 00:37 |
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| wispygalaxy | you should write a blog | Feb 27 00:37 |
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| wispygalaxy | balrog | Feb 27 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Good comment from Jeff Waugh here: http://www.workswithu.com/2009/02/25/r... He has been quiet for a while. | Feb 27 00:37 |
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| wispygalaxy | spread your knowledge | Feb 27 00:38 |
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| wispygalaxy | i remember the podcast with you and waugh, roy | Feb 27 00:38 |
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| wispygalaxy | late 2007, i think | Feb 27 00:38 |
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| Balrog | MS says there are more Linux desktops than Macs | Feb 27 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: word up re: colour scheme | Feb 27 00:39 |
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| Balrog | *desktops* | Feb 27 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | Some people think that GUI is grey with teletubby XP theme | Feb 27 00:39 |
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| wispygalaxy | ewwwww | Feb 27 00:39 |
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| PetoKraus | haha | Feb 27 00:39 |
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| PetoKraus | it's GTK theme from xfce | Feb 27 00:39 |
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| PetoKraus | xfce-dusk i think | Feb 27 00:40 |
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| wispygalaxy | haha reminds me of how ballmer thinks linux is more of a threat than apple | Feb 27 00:40 |
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| wispygalaxy | i want to try out xfce too | Feb 27 00:40 |
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| Balrog | yeah and in the long run, it is a greater threat | Feb 27 00:40 |
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| PetoKraus | and i've hand-edited one theme done by a designer of E | Feb 27 00:40 |
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| PetoKraus | to fit with it | Feb 27 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: he doesn't /think/, he /knows/ | Feb 27 00:40 |
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| wispygalaxy | lol yes | Feb 27 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | They have "Linux Heat Map" at MS | Feb 27 00:40 |
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| Balrog | Apple gets the higher end of the market (probably less than 25% at most), Linux gets the majority of the rest | Feb 27 00:40 |
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| wispygalaxy | remember that open source job opening? :P | Feb 27 00:41 |
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| Balrog | that's what I think MS is afraid of | Feb 27 00:41 |
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| Balrog | yeah I do... | Feb 27 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | "open source strategist.." | Feb 27 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | More like "open source vandal" | Feb 27 00:41 |
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| wispygalaxy | macs are hot with the hipsters at my sister's college | Feb 27 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | Take freedom away, replace with DRM, rise and repeat | Feb 27 00:41 |
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| PetoKraus | obviously hardest to target are mac users | Feb 27 00:41 |
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| schestowitz | *rinse | Feb 27 00:41 |
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| wispygalaxy | the stereotypes are true | Feb 27 00:41 |
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| wispygalaxy | how can you fight with free? | Feb 27 00:42 |
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| Balrog | and they're hot with the pros. The stereotypes aren't 100% true ... maybe like 30% (most Mac users I know aren't hipsters btw) | Feb 27 00:42 |
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| Balrog | and so far the DRM has been low compared to Windows$ | Feb 27 00:42 |
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| wispygalaxy | everytime i see someone with a mac at my school, it's either a girl with designer clothes, preppy kids, or artists | Feb 27 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | A Third of Dell Inspiron Mini 9 Netbooks Comes with Ubuntu < http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/200... > | Feb 27 00:43 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes the djs i like use macs | Feb 27 00:43 |
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| [H]omer | roy, ref: the red hat vs ubuntu link "But despite all the traits that would seem to make thin clients great - they have cheaper hardware requirements and allow for greater centralization and standardization of software - they've rarely failed to gain traction outside of niche markets." Spot the Freudian slip (double negative) | Feb 27 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | Kudos to Dell for that one. wispygalaxy says that her mom like her Ubuntu Dell. | Feb 27 00:43 |
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| wispygalaxy | she was visibly impressed | Feb 27 00:43 |
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| Balrog | heh. Not true at my school (college). Well my college is large (25000 students) | Feb 27 00:43 |
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| [H]omer | "rarely failed" | Feb 27 00:43 |
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| wispygalaxy | hi [h]omer | Feb 27 00:44 |
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| wispygalaxy | nice to meet you here | Feb 27 00:44 |
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| [H]omer | hi | Feb 27 00:44 |
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| wispygalaxy | i know roy from digg | Feb 27 00:44 |
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| Balrog | ahh ... dj's use them because it's smoother than Windows. I know a DJ who switched (from Windows) recently | Feb 27 00:44 |
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| Balrog | there's a lack of good Linux software in some of those fields. :( | Feb 27 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: yeah, nicely concealed there in logical negations | Feb 27 00:44 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes they all like the mac music software | Feb 27 00:44 |
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| wispygalaxy | but you can be a linux user and a dj, its possible ;) | Feb 27 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | Roy, they think people won't notice | Feb 27 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: "niche market" | Feb 27 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | "marginal" | Feb 27 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | I notice | Feb 27 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | "frantic | Feb 27 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | "lunatic" | Feb 27 00:45 |
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| *jose__ has quit ("Leaving") | Feb 27 00:45 |
| [H]omer | Yes, it's obvious MS propaganda | Feb 27 00:45 |
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| [H]omer | We were just talking about that in BLAG | Feb 27 00:45 |
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| *PetoKraus np: Genesis - Dancing With The Moonlit Knight (Selling England By The Pound) | Feb 27 00:45 |
| schestowitz | There are those Linux 'fans' who say they are "happy" with 1% market share | Feb 27 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | Which is a nod to a big lie | Feb 27 00:46 |
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| Balrog | yeah I saw one of them on slashdot | Feb 27 00:46 |
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| wispygalaxy | why settle for less | Feb 27 00:46 |
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| Balrog | got modded troll right away | Feb 27 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | Even Microsoft knows it's probably over 5% where the Gartner and IDCs don't travel (Russia, Brazil China..) | Feb 27 00:46 |
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| wispygalaxy | unfair | Feb 27 00:46 |
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| PetoKraus | nah | Feb 27 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: remove Moonlit | Feb 27 00:46 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, for people who need, there's enough software in linux to do multimedia | Feb 27 00:47 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: call Phil or Peter | Feb 27 00:47 |
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| [H]omer | "First, it could be argued that Red Hat anticipates desktop Linux becoming a profitable product for the first time in history, and wants to ensure itself a piece of the pie. This seems unlikely, however, since Red Hat already participates indirectly in the desktop market through its sponsorship of the Fedora Project." | Feb 27 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php... | Feb 27 00:47 |
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| [H]omer | There's so much wrong with that, I don't know where to begin | Feb 27 00:47 |
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| [H]omer | "first time in history" | Feb 27 00:47 |
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| Balrog | PetoKraus: well, it's only starting to get good. DJ's rely on specialty software that isn't yet available for Linux | Feb 27 00:47 |
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| [H]omer | bollocks | Feb 27 00:47 |
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| PetoKraus | Balrog: well, yeah, sound is quite bad | Feb 27 00:48 |
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| wispygalaxy | thats the thing about apple, they cater to specialized groups | Feb 27 00:48 |
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| PetoKraus | gimp + inkscape + qtpfsgui + hugin +krita are okay for graphics | Feb 27 00:48 |
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| wispygalaxy | so it's very convenient for djs to get everything in one package | Feb 27 00:48 |
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| Balrog | wispygalaxy: They cater to whoever wants to pay at least $1000 | Feb 27 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: Red Hat sells RHEL for desktops to many clients | Feb 27 00:48 |
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| PetoKraus | and cinelerra + kino + blender is The Ultimate Movie Factory combo | Feb 27 00:48 |
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| [H]omer | And ... they won't because of Fedora ... again, bollocks. What about Ubuntu v Ubuntu LTS, or SUSE v OpenSUSE, or ... etc | Feb 27 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | Intel, DreamWorks, etc. | Feb 27 00:48 |
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| PetoKraus | (obviously, with fully equipped mencoder) | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| PetoKraus | but sound, umm :/ | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| Balrog | and Photoshop has stuff that pros need. Unfortunately, Adobe doesn't know how to write good code. | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| wispygalaxy | haha true balrog | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| PetoKraus | it's what I am talking about | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| PetoKraus | i am sure if people tried they could do everything using FOSS | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| Balrog | Maya is available for Linux ... most of the plugins don't work (Windows-only binaries), but yes it's available | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| wispygalaxy | i dont know anyone personally who uses photoshop | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| [H]omer | +1 | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| Balrog | I know several people | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| PetoKraus | the proof is being Big Buck Bunny, for example | Feb 27 00:49 |
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| PetoKraus | -being | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| Balrog | I took a digital effects class last summer. | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| [H]omer | Photoshop is a scam to cream money from sheep | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| Balrog | they all use Macs ... and Windows for a few specific apps. | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't know a single person who has legal photoshop | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | Buzz advertising. | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| PetoKraus | at work we don't have | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | Bernays et al. | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| Balrog | and Photoshop and all. In any case, Photoshop is the standard there | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| wispygalaxy | my sister loves photography, and she uses picassa mostly | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | Get some hipster to bless it... | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| Balrog | The school has legal photoshop and so do the pros. | Feb 27 00:50 |
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| PetoKraus | wispygalaxy: i love photography, yet 3/4 of my pictures are unedited | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: they get it for free | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| PetoKraus | the 1/4 is done with qtpfsgui HDR software | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| PetoKraus | :/ | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| wispygalaxy | roy, im having a test on buzz advertising (advertising) this monday lol | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | Then when they go to work they order Photoshop like they order "Coke" please | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| Balrog | it's more for digital effects than editing | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | But business must pay for it | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| PetoKraus | 699 for retail | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | Adobe uses the same tactics as MS | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| PetoKraus | $ | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| wispygalaxy | my sister has to edit EVERY photo | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| schestowitz | The Inquirer wrote about it in 2007 | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| Balrog | most businesses buy creative suite | Feb 27 00:51 |
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| wispygalaxy | she puts them through so many effects | Feb 27 00:52 |
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| Balrog | and yes it's overpriced | Feb 27 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | They put their wares at schools to get kids addicted | Feb 27 00:52 |
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| Balrog | I was doing stuff like masks and other stuff | Feb 27 00:52 |
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| schestowitz | If they could put caffeine or coke in Photoshop, rest assured they would. | Feb 27 00:52 |
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| Balrog | Adobe doesn't know how to write good code. | Feb 27 00:52 |
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| wispygalaxy | cool glad to see you are into art | Feb 27 00:52 |
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| Balrog | It doesn't even handle a case sensitive FS properly :( | Feb 27 00:53 |
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| wispygalaxy | what software would you say is a gateway drug? | Feb 27 00:53 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 27 00:53 |
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| [H]omer | IME Photoshop is bloated, vastly overrated, fluff | Feb 27 00:53 |
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| PetoKraus | this reminds me that i need to edit my failed suicide attempt AKA skiing in scotland 2009 | Feb 27 00:53 |
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| wispygalaxy | haha what happened lol | Feb 27 00:53 |
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| PetoKraus | i wanted to do a vista7 videoreview | Feb 27 00:53 |
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| Balrog | it's bloated, it's overrated, but not totally fluff. It has tools that do the job, and plugins that help | Feb 27 00:53 |
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| PetoKraus | but the thing was so crappy | Feb 27 00:53 |
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| wispygalaxy | i always wanted to go snowboarding lol | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | [H]omer: it has some better functions. If you work on it 30 hours a week, it's worth the price | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| Balrog | Until gimp gets to the same point, it will always stay on top | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | Few people need that | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| PetoKraus | that one hour of footage was full of 3 minutes of funny lines | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| PetoKraus | all around the place | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| wispygalaxy | you have used 7, pk? | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| PetoKraus | "used" | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| PetoKraus | it was unusable | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| wispygalaxy | lol | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| Balrog | yes, I agree ... more lik 15-20 hours a week, or do specialty stuff like digital effects that requires a variety of special software | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| PetoKraus | no sound, barely any graphics, no network out of the box | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| wispygalaxy | yuck | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| PetoKraus | even the scrollwheel had problems working | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| [H]omer | Need a plugin for the Gimp ... just write one, after all it's Free Software (unlike Photoshop) | Feb 27 00:54 |
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| [H]omer | How much is the SDK | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| [H]omer | ? | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| [H]omer | Can you even buy the SDK | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| [H]omer | ? | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| [H]omer | I suppose you must | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| [H]omer | SOmehow | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| Balrog | the Photoshop SDK? | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| PetoKraus | you just guess-code :D | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| [H]omer | Do you have to sign an NDA in blood too | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| wispygalaxy | the beta download is huge for windows 7 | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| wispygalaxy | 2 GB i think | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| PetoKraus | wispygalaxy: yeah | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| PetoKraus | more | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| Balrog | ?? | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| wispygalaxy | haha | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: it's delayed | Feb 27 00:55 |
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| Balrog | or the vista7 sdk? | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| wispygalaxy | bigger than DSL huh | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | Vista7 is delayed until 2010 at the earliest | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| wispygalaxy | really, roy? | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's too messy even for testers | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| wispygalaxy | they said sept 09 | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: CNN wrote this | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| PetoKraus | 2.5G | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| wispygalaxy | thats a biggie | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | So they must have delayed it just like Office 14 (which is obsolete because of ODF and the Web anyway) | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| wispygalaxy | cool, thx for info roy | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: they also said Vista would be out in October 2003 | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| PetoKraus | that's a new one | Feb 27 00:56 |
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| PetoKraus | i thought, and hoped, they're gonna rush it out | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| wispygalaxy | my teacher refuses to get office 07, he was so adamant | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | And have WinFS and all kinds of other stuff that even in 2010 we're not seeing. | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | 9 years later | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | No WinFS | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | They even spoke about it in the 90s, I think | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| wispygalaxy | fail lol | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes and make a fool of themselves lol pk | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm not gonna say anything about the state of Linux filesystems | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | or at least | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | the marketing | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| PetoKraus | ... | Feb 27 00:57 |
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| *PetoKraus np: Genesis - Firth Of Fifth (Selling England By The Pound) | Feb 27 00:57 |
| PetoKraus | i like puns. Genesis did as well. | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| wispygalaxy | the 90s will never come back for ms | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| [H]omer | Microsoft made an announcement today, that in 2010 they will make an announcement that they will make an announcement in 2011 declaring their intention to make an announcement in 2012, announcing the release of Vista7 in 2013. | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| [H]omer | Maybe | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | Like Loooooooooooooonghorn | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| [H]omer | [joking] | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| Balrog | yeah where is all this? OS X has a filesystem with an index (of names, has been like this since the 80s) ... they can't do anything as good as Apple, and even Linux for that matter | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| wispygalaxy | i tend to make puns lol | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | Taking a lllllllllllllllllllllllllllong time. | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| wispygalaxy | lol homer | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: let the dead bury the dead | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | It out "real soon now" | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway | Feb 27 00:58 |
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| PetoKraus | who uses ext4? :/ | Feb 27 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | Gates: "Any day now! Just don't try anything else" | Feb 27 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | "Vista will have WinFS... will make your coffee" | Feb 27 00:59 |
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| Balrog | MS is always behind the competition | Feb 27 00:59 |
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| wispygalaxy | ms was inspired by apple's fs? interesting | Feb 27 00:59 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm wondering what'll happen when btrfs and tux3 are "finished" | Feb 27 00:59 |
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| [H]omer | PetoKraus, I will be using ext4 from Sunday onwards, on Fedora 11 alpha | Feb 27 00:59 |
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| PetoKraus | some real-world numbers, how well does it compare with other filesystems, and whether they're reliable | Feb 27 00:59 |
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| wispygalaxy | coffee makes me a wee bit jumpy, i like tea better | Feb 27 01:00 |
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| PetoKraus | [H]omer: to be honest, i don't find it worthy upgrade | Feb 27 01:00 |
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| [H]omer | ext4 consistently beats other filesystems in benchmarks | Feb 27 01:00 |
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| Balrog | Apple's FS always had metadata...type codes, creator codes, labels, finder flags, and an index of filenames for rapid searching | Feb 27 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | tux3 is not for regular desktops | Feb 27 01:00 |
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| PetoKraus | i know | Feb 27 01:00 |
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| PetoKraus | [H]omer: well... reiser2 beats them as well | Feb 27 01:00 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Feb 27 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | btrfs is for oracle mostly. | Feb 27 01:00 |
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| wispygalaxy | i like how they used tux's name | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | maybe servers and desktops too, in due time. | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| Balrog | Permissions and UNIX stuff was shoehorned in ... that's what Linus was presumably complaining about | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| PetoKraus | btrfs is supposed to be THE filesystem | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| wispygalaxy | haha pk | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| [H]omer | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=arti... | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| Balrog | btrfs is 2 years down the road | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: reiser doesn't just beat them.. it kill em | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| Balrog | reiser kills your data | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| Balrog | I've seen it | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| Balrog | :P | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| [H]omer | Roy, that's sick :) | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| wispygalaxy | can you uncover it? | Feb 27 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | rm -rf /home/nina | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| wispygalaxy | and find it again | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| PetoKraus | everything i tried killed my data | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| PetoKraus | ext3, ext2, reiserfs | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| [H]omer | Does Hans Reiser make "killa appz"? | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| Balrog | ext3 seems to work well | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| PetoKraus | the only thing which i found reliable was JFS | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | No, Apples does ! | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| Balrog | I use ext3 and HFS+ and occasionally XFS | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | It has Dashboard | Feb 27 01:02 |
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| Balrog | heh dashboard | Feb 27 01:03 |
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| Balrog | I never use it | Feb 27 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | You click stuff | Feb 27 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | And it launches it | Feb 27 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | But.... it focuses on stuff | Feb 27 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | Genius mighty Jobs has a patent on it | Feb 27 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | He 'invented' it | Feb 27 01:03 |
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| Balrog | on Dashboard? I don't think so | Feb 27 01:03 |
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| wispygalaxy | i still dont like the 1 click mouse idea | Feb 27 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | It cam as an epiphany from God when he was at the hospital | Feb 27 01:03 |
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| *Balrog thinks about Konfabulator | Feb 27 01:04 |
| wispygalaxy | lol | Feb 27 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | The geniusness dawned upon him | Feb 27 01:04 |
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| Balrog | wispygalaxy: 1-click mouse? | Feb 27 01:04 |
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| wispygalaxy | you cant click right | Feb 27 01:04 |
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| PetoKraus | i like how phoronix completely missed out JFS | Feb 27 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | yes | Feb 27 01:04 |
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| PetoKraus | off that benchmark | Feb 27 01:04 |
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| PetoKraus | oh well | Feb 27 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | off many of them | Feb 27 01:04 |
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| Balrog | wispygalaxy: do you have those scroll-ball mice? | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't get it. It's really underrated filesystem | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | What you should do before, during & after an Ubuntu install < http://onthewatercloset.blogspot.com/2009... > | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| wispygalaxy | i have a fellowes mouse | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: remove mono | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| wispygalaxy | i like the shape of the apple mouse | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: yes | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| Balrog | ah. Well apple's current mice have 4 buttons | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | Conspicuously missing | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| Balrog | right, left, scroll, and side | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | "Cool Windows toys" | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| PetoKraus | "Also if you are in Pakistan and experience frequent power failures - you dont need to worry." | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| schestowitz | "almost like Windows" I think was the exact quote | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| PetoKraus | why the hell would you be in pakistan? | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| wispygalaxy | i have 5 buttons ;P | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| PetoKraus | all of them are in britain! | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| Balrog | yeah heh...at least it works. The touch pad on the laptops are more useful | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| tessier_ | They have electricity in Pakistan? | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| PetoKraus | maybe | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | Why not? | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes, the touchpads are nifty | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | They have nuclear operations | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| wispygalaxy | i forget my mouse at home sometimes, so it helps | Feb 27 01:06 |
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| Balrog | wispygalaxy: the touchpad? | Feb 27 01:07 |
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| PetoKraus | hmm | Feb 27 01:07 |
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| Balrog | I stopped using the mouse I have :P | Feb 27 01:07 |
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| PetoKraus | payday! | Feb 27 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | This is not Gnome < http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/02/25... > | Feb 27 01:07 |
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| wispygalaxy | yep, balrog | Feb 27 01:07 |
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| Balrog | that is me | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| PetoKraus | Balrog: i'm using the only good microsoft product | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| PetoKraus | laser mouse | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| PetoKraus | manufactured by logitech | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| PetoKraus | but hey! | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Is it not just rebranded MS? | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Realy? | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| wispygalaxy | i used to have a logitech mouse with a scroll whell | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| wispygalaxy | wheel* | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | They manufacture these? | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| Balrog_ | I quit using mice. I use the trackpad. (any large trackpad with a rather-high sensitivity works for me) | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm pretty confident they do | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft was rumoured once to be interested in buying the company | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| Balrog_ | gestures make it more useful | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| Balrog_ | but aren't mandatory | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| PetoKraus | i know they do for dell | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Logitech fired many people recently.. maybe 20% of wordforce | Feb 27 01:08 |
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| wispygalaxy | mouse gestures startle me all the time, i always jiggle my mouse a lot | Feb 27 01:09 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah | Feb 27 01:09 |
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| Balrog_ | trackpad gestures | Feb 27 01:09 |
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| wispygalaxy | i should turn them off lol | Feb 27 01:09 |
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| PetoKraus | keyboard shortcuts FTW:) | Feb 27 01:09 |
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| Balrog_ | scroll, zoom | Feb 27 01:09 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes haha | Feb 27 01:09 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean | Feb 27 01:09 |
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| Balrog_ | btw, the eeepc has trackpad scroll | Feb 27 01:09 |
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| PetoKraus | i am gradually adding more and more shortcuts | Feb 27 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | "The only BECTA recommended operating system for schools is Microsoft Windows" http://thelinuxsociety.org.uk/content/h... | Feb 27 01:10 |
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| wispygalaxy | have you tried the eee pc, balrog? | Feb 27 01:10 |
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| wispygalaxy | its not small at all for me | Feb 27 01:10 |
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| Balrog_ | yes, I have used a 901 | Feb 27 01:10 |
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| PetoKraus | i started with enlightenment default ALT+Fx for desktop switch and ALT+Mouse click for dragging windows/resizing windows | Feb 27 01:10 |
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| Balrog_ | the keyboard sucks, but otherwise it's great | Feb 27 01:10 |
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| PetoKraus | and now it's plenty of other apps bound to Alt, Ctrl and Win key | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | Win key? | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| wispygalaxy | my keyboard is not the best, the keys are way too slippery | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| schestowitz | Superkey :-) | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| wispygalaxy | i make typos a lot :( | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| Balrog_ | why doesn't the win key do anything on Windows? | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: :) | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| Balrog_ | unlike the Command key, which does a lot on Macs | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| PetoKraus | Balrog_: cause it's windows | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| Balrog_ | heh. | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| wispygalaxy | i want a tux key | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| PetoKraus | i consider "Win+C" a nice acronym for window close | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| Balrog_ | you know why they dropped the 'apple key' designation? | Feb 27 01:11 |
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| PetoKraus | they didn't wanted to look like fags? | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| Balrog_ | (the command key used to be the apple key) | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| wispygalaxy | my laptop has the vista key, i want it off of there lol | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| *PetoKraus np: Genesis - The Battle Of Epping Forest (Selling England By The Pound) | Feb 27 01:12 |
| PetoKraus | cause they disagree on the gangland boundary! | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| wispygalaxy | i bought my lappy before getting linux | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| Balrog_ | nope, Jobs felt that the Apple logo was already in too many places | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| PetoKraus | it is. | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| wispygalaxy | i was so naive back then | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| Balrog_ | http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=... | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| Balrog_ | I believe that's the one | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd like to plant a bit of C4 in every iphone logo | Feb 27 01:13 |
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| PetoKraus | and detonate them all at once | Feb 27 01:13 |
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| PetoKraus | that'd be nice | Feb 27 01:13 |
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| Balrog_ | heh. iphone isn't bad | Feb 27 01:13 |
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| PetoKraus | you know, not huge bit | Feb 27 01:13 |
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| PetoKraus | just enough to make you deaf for half an hour | Feb 27 01:13 |
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| wispygalaxy | one girl in my class got an iphone last night, she was bragging about it today | Feb 27 01:13 |
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| PetoKraus | that'd make the news | Feb 27 01:13 |
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| PetoKraus | bah | Feb 27 01:13 |
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| Balrog_ | I see it a lot | Feb 27 01:13 |
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| Balrog_ | you must be at a smaller school | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| PetoKraus | i am thinking of getting one of the older HTC modules | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| PetoKraus | *cellphones | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| Balrog_ | keep away from Windows Mobile | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes i wil | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| PetoKraus | they run linux pretty well | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| wispygalaxy | i want an android | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| Balrog_ | get an unlocked iphone or a dev android if you want to do anything interesting | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| PetoKraus | nah | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| wispygalaxy | what's up with open moko? | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| PetoKraus | dev android is too expensive | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| PetoKraus | so is freerunner | Feb 27 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | The Losing Battle Against Technology Freedom < http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=... > "So now we have Microsoft's thrown gauntlet against Linux, in the suit against Tom-Tom. As Slashdot commenters are quick to point out, the nature of the lawsuit, revolving around use of the FAT file-system, is anti-competitive on the part of Microsoft, the convicted monopolist | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | ." | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| wispygalaxy | balrog have you hacked a phone before? | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| PetoKraus | you can get older HTC for half the price | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| Balrog_ | I have both an iphone (2G) and ipod touch...both jailbroken ... heh | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| Balrog_ | yeah hacked iphone 2G | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| Balrog_ | and touch | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| PetoKraus | and you get basically the same hardware | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| Balrog_ | ;) | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| wispygalaxy | cool! | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| PetoKraus | what I need from a "better phone" is: wifi, keyboard, phone, make it run linux | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| wispygalaxy | you know how to get things to the way you want them | Feb 27 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: iphone is a fashion statement/accessory too | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| Balrog_ | keyboard is messy | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| Balrog_ | a lot of parts | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Apple brand is very powerful | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| PetoKraus | Balrog_: bah, it's useful | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | People express themselves using gadgets | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| Balrog_ | schestowitz: well I don't care for that part | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Apple spend a fortune marketing this thing | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| Balrog_ | more about usefulness for me | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| wispygalaxy | keyboards are usually a miss, not hit for me | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| PetoKraus | i don't like touchscreens | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| Balrog_ | keyboards have too many moving parts | Feb 27 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Also using unethical methods like paying celebs to fake queuing up for one. | Feb 27 01:17 |
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| wispygalaxy | yes roy, my sis wanted the ipod shuffle when it came out b/c her friends all had it | Feb 27 01:17 |
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| PetoKraus | http://i20.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/33... | Feb 27 01:17 |
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| wispygalaxy | reminds me of lindsay lohan and how she bragged about her phone | Feb 27 01:17 |
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| PetoKraus | this would be okay | Feb 27 01:17 |
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| PetoKraus | €£80 on ebay | Feb 27 01:17 |
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| Balrog_ | heh. I haven't seen / paid attention to those things lately. But not like the Mojave project and 'I'm a PC' (really unethical stuff in comparison) | Feb 27 01:17 |
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| Balrog_ | I got my iphone 2G for $120 | Feb 27 01:17 |
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| PetoKraus | though the wifi support is dodgy so far | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| wispygalaxy | we had to analyze those ads in my marketing class | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| Balrog_ | heh | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| Balrog_ | everyone advertises like that today :( | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| wispygalaxy | we overall said that the ads failed XD | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | Those who pay for advertising and prurious marketing are always the customer | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | *mers | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| wispygalaxy | cool pk | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | 20% or so of any product -- on average -- is spend on /US/ being brainwahed | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| wispygalaxy | im getting a new phone in a couple of monthys | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| wispygalaxy | months* | Feb 27 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | Shown images to impact our subconscious feelings, not technical details. | Feb 27 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | It's a form of hypnosis that stu[ifies us | Feb 27 01:19 |
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| PetoKraus | well my current phone is: http://202.78.200.220/~masadit/theponsel/... | Feb 27 01:19 |
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