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schestowitzLinux doesn't do thatFeb 27 01:19
wispygalaxyyep, we learned about communication channels and psychology in my advertising classFeb 27 01:19
Balrog_well, some of the iphone advertising has been quite obvious. Like demonstrating appsFeb 27 01:19
schestowitzIt's not compatible with how people are taught to measure stuffFeb 27 01:19
Balrog_of couse, there's other advertising that's differentFeb 27 01:19
schestowitzMore expensive = betterFeb 27 01:20
schestowitzCheap and freedom mixed together to cheapen the value of human mrightsFeb 27 01:20
wispygalaxynice phone, pk. my dad has a nokia, too, but it has no text messagingFeb 27 01:20
schestowitzAren't phones mostly about making calls?Feb 27 01:21
wispygalaxythats what my dad says lolFeb 27 01:21
PetoKrausschestowitz: yesFeb 27 01:21
wispygalaxybut my sis begs to differFeb 27 01:21
schestowitzYou might as well rename the gadgets then.Feb 27 01:21
PetoKrausthat's what I use my phone for. Calls, textsFeb 27 01:21
Balrog_ask the inventor of cell phonesFeb 27 01:21
Balrog_:PFeb 27 01:21
Balrog_he's marketing a phone for senior citizensFeb 27 01:21
PetoKrausthough i'd like to get something I could jot down appointments in toFeb 27 01:21
wispygalaxymy dad wants the jitterbugFeb 27 01:21
PetoKrausand make it sync with sunbirdFeb 27 01:22
schestowitzYeah.. like people marketed cigarettes fo womenFeb 27 01:22
wispygalaxymalboroFeb 27 01:22
PetoKrausoh don't get me started on thatFeb 27 01:22
schestowitzThe "lighting of the totch" stuntFeb 27 01:22
wispygalaxythats on my test too royFeb 27 01:22
PetoKrauscigarettes look AWFUL on 90% of girlsFeb 27 01:22
schestowitzTurning women to *cough cough* smokersFeb 27 01:22
schestowitzFor profitFeb 27 01:22
Balrog_http://counternotions.com/200...Feb 27 01:22
wispygalaxyyou are like a study guide roy lolFeb 27 01:22
schestowitzThey used the projection of images standing for powerFeb 27 01:23
schestowitzNow it's beerFeb 27 01:23
PetoKrausgahFeb 27 01:23
PetoKrausbeer's okayFeb 27 01:23
PetoKrauslet them have beerFeb 27 01:23
schestowitzThe message that women who drink beer control their man or whatever betterFeb 27 01:23
PetoKrausbut cigarettesFeb 27 01:23
PetoKrausNOFeb 27 01:23
Balrog_heh beerFeb 27 01:23
Balrog_the ads are everywhereFeb 27 01:23
Balrog_I don't drink it ... lolFeb 27 01:23
PetoKrausi like beerFeb 27 01:23
schestowitzIt's all perceptional and totally irrationalFeb 27 01:23
Balrog_I know people who do ... manyFeb 27 01:23
Balrog_yeah the beer ads are bad when it comes to tahtFeb 27 01:23
schestowitzSame with drugs...Feb 27 01:24
Balrog_that *Feb 27 01:24
wispygalaxymy granny smoked cigs for 50+ years, but she died last year of ovarian cancer.  she didnt have any other cancerFeb 27 01:24
schestowitzPeople like beer, but not other drugsFeb 27 01:24
PetoKrausthough i can't drink much... my stomach doesn't like it and likes to talk to me often the next dayFeb 27 01:24
PetoKrauswhiskey or wine is better on this accordFeb 27 01:24
schestowitzBeverages become a cultutal/social/psychological thing.Feb 27 01:24
PetoKraus:)Feb 27 01:24
PetoKrausyesFeb 27 01:24
PetoKrausshisha'sFeb 27 01:24
PetoKraus...Feb 27 01:24
Balrog_cigs can cause any type of cancer :[Feb 27 01:24
PetoKrausi mean, it's retardedFeb 27 01:24
schestowitzMany addictive substances can.Feb 27 01:24
wispygalaxytrue balrogFeb 27 01:25
PetoKrausmy mother's smoker, my uncle is dense smoker, my grandma is really heavy smokerFeb 27 01:25
Balrog_I know someone who had bladder cancer from that ... he died from an aneurism eventuallyFeb 27 01:25
schestowitzFoods tooFeb 27 01:25
PetoKrausi've had so much passive smoking in my lifeFeb 27 01:25
Balrog_more like chemicals in foodsFeb 27 01:25
schestowitzSome of the stuff they put in fast food chains and snacks  might be more harmful than drugsFeb 27 01:25
wispygalaxysmoking is bigger in my family than drinkingFeb 27 01:25
schestowitzBy drugs I mean alcohol tooFeb 27 01:25
PetoKrausthat i promised myself i'm not going to have any smoke in my lungs voluntarilyFeb 27 01:25
Balrog_well you don't do itFeb 27 01:25
schestowitzMicrowaves are a hazard too.. cellphonesFeb 27 01:25
PetoKrauswellFeb 27 01:25
Balrog_they're all hazardsFeb 27 01:25
PetoKrauswe don't know yet what does it causeFeb 27 01:25
PetoKrausit's hard to tell, it's too shortFeb 27 01:26
Balrog_theoretically wi-fi is a hazard as it uses microwavesFeb 27 01:26
PetoKraustake for example some pesticidesFeb 27 01:26
schestowitzWe don't know degree of impactFeb 27 01:26
wispygalaxyim using a wired connection, luckilyFeb 27 01:26
schestowitzWho would fund it?Feb 27 01:26
Balrog_heh ... organophosphatesFeb 27 01:26
PetoKrausit took 30 years for them to troddle down the fields in waterFeb 27 01:26
schestowitzResearch is usually funded in favour of the profiteerFeb 27 01:26
PetoKrausand from water to people's foodFeb 27 01:26
schestowitzSo expect results to be biased in favour of the merchants.Feb 27 01:26
PetoKrausand from there -> delayed neuropathy and intermediate diseaseFeb 27 01:26
Balrog_some say organophosphate pesticides are responsible for BSEFeb 27 01:27
wispygalaxyreminds me of ms-funded "studies"Feb 27 01:27
PetoKrauswell they could beFeb 27 01:27
PetoKrausi meanFeb 27 01:27
PetoKrausorganophosphates are nerve gassesFeb 27 01:27
Balrog_they're systemic agentsFeb 27 01:27
Balrog_should be bannedFeb 27 01:27
PetoKrausthey areFeb 27 01:27
Balrog_like DDTFeb 27 01:27
PetoKrausddt is innocentFeb 27 01:28
PetoKrausddt was human mistakeFeb 27 01:28
Balrog_well DDT is bannedFeb 27 01:28
Balrog_organophosphates should be banned as wellFeb 27 01:28
PetoKrausit was stupid idea to try kill diseases with DDTFeb 27 01:28
PetoKrausOP's are banned in the UK, i thinkFeb 27 01:28
Balrog_(I'm not saying that DDT should be banned)Feb 27 01:28
Balrog_but not in the US.Feb 27 01:28
PetoKrausi'd have to grab my lecture notesFeb 27 01:28
Balrog_:[Feb 27 01:28
wispygalaxydo you guys eat tuna?Feb 27 01:28
wispygalaxyim kinda scared of it...Feb 27 01:28
PetoKrausthe problem with OP's is that they are inherently very very toxicFeb 27 01:28
Balrog_I don't recommend it and don't eat tunaFeb 27 01:29
Balrog_so that's my takeFeb 27 01:29
schestowitzOLPC users discover free WiFi at Rwandan Airport < http://www.cheaplaptops.org.uk/20090225/olpc-u... >Feb 27 01:29
Balrog_I don't like it either :PFeb 27 01:29
wispygalaxyi feel bad for the dolphins caught :'(Feb 27 01:29
PetoKrausit's like... okay, let's substitute one oxygen for sulphur and hope the human who ingests it will piss it out sooner than it changes backFeb 27 01:29
PetoKrausotherwise -> eek.Feb 27 01:29
schestowitzwispygalaxy: yes, that too. Most brand just put the dolphin safe label, but can you believe it?Feb 27 01:30
wispygalaxyhehFeb 27 01:30
schestowitz"dolphin safe[ty net]"Feb 27 01:30
wispygalaxyi want to believe, but i cantFeb 27 01:30
Balrog_wispygalaxy: I'm careful about mercury contentFeb 27 01:30
PetoKrauswith tuna?Feb 27 01:30
wispygalaxygood balrog :)Feb 27 01:30
Balrog_they've had problems with that recentlyFeb 27 01:30
Balrog_(in tuna)Feb 27 01:30
schestowitzAnother issue is mercuryFeb 27 01:30
schestowitzI stopped eating tunaFeb 27 01:30
PetoKrausmercury is funFeb 27 01:30
schestowitzPetoKraus: in the brain?Feb 27 01:30
wispygalaxyi havent had tuna in a while, royFeb 27 01:30
PetoKrausnahFeb 27 01:30
schestowitzI know..Feb 27 01:31
schestowitzMercuriy scared me too.. but my blood tests were fine.Feb 27 01:31
PetoKraustuna is still one of the more healthy foodsFeb 27 01:31
Balrog_blood tests aren't too accurateFeb 27 01:31
Balrog_unfortunatelyFeb 27 01:31
PetoKrausi don't know about US, but in europe sea dumping of anything is bannedFeb 27 01:31
schestowitzBloody hellFeb 27 01:31
PetoKraussince 2000.Feb 27 01:31
wispygalaxythats too bad balrogFeb 27 01:31
Balrog_sea dumping?Feb 27 01:32
PetoKrausyeahFeb 27 01:32
PetoKrauslike you take the trash and dump it in the seaFeb 27 01:32
Balrog_probably banned here tooFeb 27 01:32
PetoKrauswell i wouldn't be so sureFeb 27 01:32
Balrog_there've been cases of it in the region thoughFeb 27 01:32
PetoKrausafter this half of the termFeb 27 01:33
PetoKrausi basically stopped worrying about what do i eatFeb 27 01:33
PetoKrausin terms of, you know, possible pollutantsFeb 27 01:33
schestowitzKDE 4.2 Lures Me Back to Kubuntu 8.10 . . . < http://sharplinux.blogspot.com/2009/02/kde-42... >Feb 27 01:33
wispygalaxyin oceanography class, i learned that there are areas of the ocean where trash just sit there because of the circulation of the waterFeb 27 01:33
PetoKrausi'm living in glasgow afterwardsFeb 27 01:33
PetoKrauschromium everywhere. If i'm gonna get something, it's cancer.Feb 27 01:33
schestowitzwispygalaxy: yes, pacific Ocean tooFeb 27 01:33
wispygalaxyglad to see kubuntu is looking betterFeb 27 01:34
schestowitzThere was a good article about it in one of the big journals last yearFeb 27 01:34
wispygalaxylol pkFeb 27 01:34
schestowitzThey have a name for this man-made stream of junkFeb 27 01:34
schestowitzIt probably kills animals that eat it tooFeb 27 01:34
wispygalaxyi forget the name tooFeb 27 01:34
Balrog_you mean the trash?Feb 27 01:34
wispygalaxyi always cut the plastic off six-packs of colaFeb 27 01:34
wispygalaxyyes the trash, i learned about itFeb 27 01:35
Balrog_I don't drink cola :PFeb 27 01:35
Balrog_yeah. :(Feb 27 01:35
wispygalaxyso the birds wont get caughtFeb 27 01:35
Balrog_well I don't drink that stuffFeb 27 01:35
Balrog_too much sugar and acidsFeb 27 01:35
*avuton has quit ("leaving")Feb 27 01:35
wispygalaxyi saw a cartoon about it when i was younger, it really impacted meFeb 27 01:35
PetoKraushehFeb 27 01:35
Balrog_the diet stuff has chemicals that are harmfulFeb 27 01:35
schestowitzNot acids, 'flavours' :-)Feb 27 01:35
wispygalaxyi drink diet onlyFeb 27 01:35
PetoKrausi'm pretty confident i burn enough stuff during the dayFeb 27 01:35
Balrog_flavors tooFeb 27 01:35
wispygalaxycaffeine free alsoFeb 27 01:35
PetoKrausso... bring'em on.Feb 27 01:35
Balrog_wispygalaxy: keep away from dietFeb 27 01:36
schestowitzwispygalaxy: maybe worseFeb 27 01:36
wispygalaxyi have chocolate cake soda in my fridge, diet free of course hahaFeb 27 01:36
schestowitzThat chemical (sweetener) is toxicFeb 27 01:36
Balrog_the sweeteners they use are very dangerousFeb 27 01:36
wispygalaxyits not bad tastingFeb 27 01:36
PetoKraus>.>Feb 27 01:36
Balrog_but toxicFeb 27 01:36
PetoKrauswell toxicFeb 27 01:36
PetoKrauseverything is toxicFeb 27 01:36
wispygalaxythe sugar gets to me though, im drinking water these daysFeb 27 01:36
PetoKrauseven DDTFeb 27 01:36
Balrog_I have magazines from the late 80's and early 90-s about thatFeb 27 01:36
Balrog_and more recently it's got worseFeb 27 01:36
wispygalaxyuh ohFeb 27 01:37
wispygalaxyis it because of lack of regulation?Feb 27 01:37
schestowitzMy Impressions of KDE 4.2 < http://jintoreedwine.wordpress.com/20... >Feb 27 01:37
PetoKrauswith these things it's hard to tellFeb 27 01:37
PetoKrauswhat's FUD and what isn'tFeb 27 01:37
Balrog_there have been reports that artificial sweeteners cause weight gainFeb 27 01:37
Balrog_I hear the FDA works with chemical companies to allow this stuffFeb 27 01:38
PetoKrauswell, there's an allergic reaction to them so...Feb 27 01:38
Balrog_how true it is, idkFeb 27 01:38
PetoKrausphenylalanines...Feb 27 01:38
Balrog_also ... corn syrup isn't entirely safe either ... keep that in mindFeb 27 01:38
wispygalaxyi read studies with a grain of saltFeb 27 01:38
PetoKraussalt isn't safe eitherFeb 27 01:38
PetoKraus:)Feb 27 01:38
wispygalaxydata can be misleading at timesFeb 27 01:38
wispygalaxylol pkFeb 27 01:38
schestowitzIs Gentoo dying or just becoming old? < http://www.mindstab.net/wordpress/archives/454 >Feb 27 01:39
Balrog_Read about the corn syrup manufacturing process :PFeb 27 01:39
wispygalaxymy mom used to put salt on veggies, she made me addictedFeb 27 01:39
wispygalaxylike tomatoesFeb 27 01:39
wispygalaxywait thats a fruitFeb 27 01:39
wispygalaxyi mean cucumbersFeb 27 01:39
Balrog_schestowitz: use ~x86 or unstable then :PFeb 27 01:39
schestowitzTrue, salt is harmfulFeb 27 01:39
PetoKrausohFeb 27 01:40
PetoKrausyou won't bloody get it, will youFeb 27 01:40
PetoKrauseverything is harmfulFeb 27 01:40
PetoKraus5 litres of water will kill youFeb 27 01:40
schestowitzI know.Feb 27 01:40
schestowitzYesFeb 27 01:40
schestowitzI was gonna say just thatFeb 27 01:40
PetoKraus3 spoonfuls of salt will kill you as wellFeb 27 01:40
schestowitzTuna tooFeb 27 01:40
wispygalaxyone goal in life is trying to surviveFeb 27 01:40
Balrog_well, salt contains aluminum (at least table salt in the US does)Feb 27 01:40
Balrog_not very safe, IMOFeb 27 01:40
wispygalaxyso we have these obstacles, you can sayFeb 27 01:40
wispygalaxylike salt, ddtFeb 27 01:41
schestowitzSometime it's a matter of consuming the least harmful or the least levels of harmful 'side effect'Feb 27 01:41
PetoKrausI mean, DDT bioaccumulated to levels of 10^5 higher than the initial intended concentrationFeb 27 01:41
PetoKrausthat's QUITE a lotFeb 27 01:41
wispygalaxytrue royFeb 27 01:42
wispygalaxyi remember that from bio, pk.  yes thats alarmingFeb 27 01:42
PetoKrausif it was more toxic, it wouldn't kill grebes, it would kill the zooplanktonFeb 27 01:42
wispygalaxythere was a poster of it too in classFeb 27 01:42
schestowitzI have a good video about it.. hold on.Feb 27 01:42
PetoKrausand there wouldn't be any problemFeb 27 01:42
PetoKrausalsoFeb 27 01:42
PetoKrausattempt to get rid of insects in whole texas by spraying the whole area with DDTFeb 27 01:42
PetoKrausdidn't really helpFeb 27 01:42
PetoKrausthis way you can detect DDT anywhereFeb 27 01:43
schestowitzHere (watch the part about nutritional recommendations): http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/net...Feb 27 01:43
wispygalaxyi hope they warned the citizens before sprayingFeb 27 01:43
wispygalaxythanks royFeb 27 01:43
PetoKrausit's spread around the globe... you could for sure find it lying in my bed, in your fridge, in amazonian rainforest, or in the hilltops of himalayaFeb 27 01:43
PetoKrausit's so easy to detect. the concentrations are harmful.Feb 27 01:44
PetoKraus*notFeb 27 01:44
PetoKraus:DFeb 27 01:44
PetoKrausthe question is:Feb 27 01:44
*PetoKraus np: The Alan Parsons Project - Where's the Walrus (The Instrumental Works)Feb 27 01:44
wispygalaxyreminds me of the simpsons movie and how they had a domeFeb 27 01:44
wispygalaxyshould we do that too hahaFeb 27 01:44
PetoKrausi guess i should sleep. Tomorrow lectures from 11 trough 17...Feb 27 01:45
PetoKraustoday, actuallyFeb 27 01:45
wispygalaxysee ya!Feb 27 01:45
Balrog_hehFeb 27 01:45
Balrog_I have a 7-page paper due monday and a 5-page one due wednesday :/Feb 27 01:46
schestowitzCool! Tracking Mandriva features and specs progress < http://www.linux-wizard.net/blog-tracking_mandr... >Feb 27 01:46
wispygalaxywhat's it on, balrog?Feb 27 01:46
wispygalaxywhat's your majorFeb 27 01:46
wispygalaxythx for the link royFeb 27 01:46
Balrog_my major is computer science and physics (dual)Feb 27 01:47
schestowitzwispygalaxy: npFeb 27 01:47
wispygalaxy:-)Feb 27 01:47
wispygalaxycool balrog, my major is financeFeb 27 01:47
wispygalaxyi almost went into management, but im glad i didnt.  its really not that interestingFeb 27 01:47
Balrog_the long one is on a dissent group in America (before 1945) and the shorter one is on Jamaica Kincaid's essay "A Small Place"Feb 27 01:48
Balrog_computer science is great. I'm glad I don't have to take and MS-specific courses though :)Feb 27 01:48
Balrog_the long essay is for a course about dissent in americaFeb 27 01:48
wispygalaxyim so glad i dont have literature classes anymore, i do the most work for that classFeb 27 01:48
Balrog_yeah that's the english.Feb 27 01:49
Balrog_:/Feb 27 01:49
wispygalaxygood balrog, glad to see they arent pushing ms technologiesFeb 27 01:49
Balrog_well they areFeb 27 01:49
Balrog_if you major in information science and technologyFeb 27 01:49
Balrog_you need to take two VB.NET coursesFeb 27 01:49
Balrog_but not for CSFeb 27 01:49
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wispygalaxymy school doesnt have a MIS majorFeb 27 01:50
wispygalaxyonly CSFeb 27 01:50
wispygalaxythey teach java and C++Feb 27 01:50
Balrog_CS is better, IMOFeb 27 01:50
Balrog_yeah, here it's JavaFeb 27 01:50
Balrog_some CFeb 27 01:50
wispygalaxyit's a lot of theory, right?Feb 27 01:50
Balrog_more systems stuffFeb 27 01:50
schestowitz[H]omer: please read http://www.itwire.com/content/vi... (why to avoid Mono after TomTom case)Feb 27 01:50
Balrog_yeah a lot of theoryFeb 27 01:50
wispygalaxyi think there's some c at my school tooFeb 27 01:50
wispygalaxydo you have to take engineering classes too?Feb 27 01:51
schestowitzTeaching .NET anything is follishFeb 27 01:51
Balrog_well you need to take software engineeringFeb 27 01:51
wispygalaxymy dad had to take CS courses when he was studying for a degree in mech engineeringFeb 27 01:51
schestowitzMicrosoft tech, unlike say..C, is dependent on the existence of a DYING companyFeb 27 01:51
wispygalaxyheh trueFeb 27 01:52
Balrog_I know someone who's in the course and he hates itFeb 27 01:52
Balrog_does PHP for $$$Feb 27 01:52
schestowitzMicrosoft's stock is tanking and it's heading into debt, maybe bankruptcy or bailout not so far from now.Feb 27 01:52
wispygalaxyi want to learn something that's new and excitingFeb 27 01:52
wispygalaxyit's at 16.42 i think nowFeb 27 01:52
schestowitzYesFeb 27 01:52
schestowitzDespite BUYBACKSFeb 27 01:52
schestowitzIt could be well under $10 nowFeb 27 01:52
wispygalaxygm is below 2 dollarsFeb 27 01:53
wispygalaxylmaoFeb 27 01:53
wispygalaxydo you like php balrog?Feb 27 01:53
schestowitzHad Microsoft not .privatized itself over the years.Feb 27 01:53
Balrog_haven't done it yet. So far Java is what I've been doingFeb 27 01:53
schestowitzwispygalaxy: gm is historyFeb 27 01:53
schestowitzIt will probably be nationalised or somethingFeb 27 01:53
wispygalaxylol bye byeFeb 27 01:53
schestowitzMaybe sold to China.Feb 27 01:53
wispygalaxyscary stuffFeb 27 01:53
schestowitzNWO :-) j/kFeb 27 01:53
wispygalaxyjava looks friendlier than a lot of other languages i thinkFeb 27 01:54
Balrog_I may do C, C++, and some objective-c, as I'd like to work on cross-platform apps targeting Mac first, and then other operating systems (yeah I know....)Feb 27 01:54
wispygalaxyi looked at an intro book, i had no troubleFeb 27 01:54
Balrog_java is annoyingFeb 27 01:54
wispygalaxyroy loves java, i think ;)Feb 27 01:54
wispygalaxyhe told me that onceFeb 27 01:54
Balrog_strong typing and protected memory and all are annoyingFeb 27 01:54
Balrog_I need to goFeb 27 01:54
Balrog_talk tomorrowFeb 27 01:54
wispygalaxybye for now!Feb 27 01:55
schestowitzcyaFeb 27 01:56
wispygalaxyroy, what distro do you plan to use next?Feb 27 01:56
wispygalaxyim thinking of trying out fedoraFeb 27 01:56
schestowitzHaven't decided yet. It's a mysteryFeb 27 01:56
balzac_clearFeb 27 01:57
wispygalaxyim a sucker for pretty guisFeb 27 01:57
balzac_i'm onlineFeb 27 01:57
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balzac_I thought I was in bashFeb 27 01:57
schestowitzGUI=desktop environmentsFeb 27 01:57
wispygalaxyhi balzacFeb 27 01:57
schestowitzor win managersFeb 27 01:57
balzac_hi wispygalaxyFeb 27 01:57
schestowitzdistro just puts it all gogetherFeb 27 01:57
wispygalaxyinterestingFeb 27 01:57
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wispygalaxyi still will go with kdeFeb 27 01:58
wispygalaxyi had experience with gnome with ubuntuFeb 27 01:58
balzacokFeb 27 01:58
wispygalaxywhat do you use balzac?Feb 27 01:59
wispygalaxyim on debian nowFeb 27 01:59
balzaci'm using ubuntuFeb 27 01:59
balzaci'm thinking of debianFeb 27 01:59
balzacas well as gnewsenseFeb 27 01:59
wispygalaxyplain ubuntu or with something other than gnomeFeb 27 01:59
balzacI don't like that ubuntu ships with mono... I'm just not being very proactive about it lately.Feb 27 01:59
balzaci'm using gnome without monoFeb 27 02:00
wispygalaxycool balzacFeb 27 02:00
balzacI'm even using flash player, but I really ought to get rid of it.Feb 27 02:01
balzacI'm a bit hooked on youtubeFeb 27 02:01
balzacbut i don't develop flash anymore, so I'm not adding to the problem.Feb 27 02:01
schestowitzbalzac: Flash is not useful for FlashFeb 27 02:02
schestowitzThe whole thing is useful for some codec inside itFeb 27 02:02
balzacwhat are you using?Feb 27 02:02
schestowitzThat's allFeb 27 02:02
schestowitzI use the binaryFeb 27 02:02
wispygalaxyhaha i am a youtube addict tooFeb 27 02:02
schestowitzIt comes inside Mandriva out of the boxFeb 27 02:02
balzacwell, I like to grab the flash files out of /tmp because I want to save some of them.Feb 27 02:02
schestowitzBut I have Flash blocked.. just YouTube and other videos are used for itFeb 27 02:02
schestowitzOgg fits well here.Feb 27 02:02
schestowitzHad we had Ogg before the Flash video infestation, things would be different.Feb 27 02:03
balzachmm, I might like to borrow your configurationFeb 27 02:03
schestowitzYou can get a seamonkey configFeb 27 02:03
schestowitzI can click two buttons to d/l youtube vidsFeb 27 02:03
schestowitzthat's how I make oggsFeb 27 02:03
balzacI have tried pytubeFeb 27 02:03
schestowitzI used it beforeFeb 27 02:04
schestowitzGoogle moves the goalposts tio break it.Feb 27 02:04
schestowitzI've downloaded YouTube in like 4 different ways over the past 2 yearsFeb 27 02:04
balzacBut you end up with such a gigantic ogg file if you don't want to lose qualityFeb 27 02:04
balzacI use firebug tooFeb 27 02:04
balzacI believe in software civil disobedienceFeb 27 02:05
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balzacin my opinion, there has to be a better way to deal with proprietary encoded content than just going without that contentFeb 27 02:05
wispygalaxyoops guys i g2g now, i'll see you laterFeb 27 02:06
schestowitzbe back soonFeb 27 02:06
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schestowitzbalzac: it's all about controlFeb 27 02:06
wispygalaxyi will roy, take care!  xxFeb 27 02:06
schestowitzAlso for the codecs makersFeb 27 02:06
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schestowitzIt gives them leverageFeb 27 02:06
balzacthe issue of proprietary compression algorithms - I say content is content and whoever says I can't make software to decode content in their proprietary codec...Feb 27 02:07
schestowitzcodecs are locks... like DRMFeb 27 02:07
balzacit's a hostile actFeb 27 02:07
schestowitzThey have 'key' standardsFeb 27 02:07
schestowitzAnd they want to put people's family vids in their lcokerFeb 27 02:07
balzachmmFeb 27 02:07
schestowitzSo hey can rent you keysFeb 27 02:08
schestowitzVia software vendors (licensing)Feb 27 02:08
balzacscumbagsFeb 27 02:08
balzacwell, there has to be a more direct way of battling them.Feb 27 02:08
balzacHow about this - deface their binariesFeb 27 02:08
balzactake their binaries which they distribute, edit with a binary editor, add some subversive message, distribute in violation of their copyright - voila - software civil disobedienceFeb 27 02:09
balzacbreaking the law in a way which they find most offensiveFeb 27 02:09
balzacBecause I wouldn't want to sit around, trying to maintain something which serves the same purpose.Feb 27 02:10
balzacIsn't that an important part of this game? breaking the law?Feb 27 02:10
schestowitzI guess..Feb 27 02:11
schestowitzIs that DMCA or just patents?Feb 27 02:11
balzacnot sureFeb 27 02:11
schestowitzPeople can watch their own videosFeb 27 02:11
schestowitzI'm not talking about drm and dvds thoughFeb 27 02:11
balzacI'm just pissed at the hostility of these @sshole software companies making everyone miserable with their proprietary codecs.Feb 27 02:12
schestowitzIf I put my data in MPEG trap, then I can crack the cr*p out of this codecs to rescue family videos, right?Feb 27 02:12
schestowitzElse it's an unethical restrictionFeb 27 02:12
balzacDMCA is crap.Feb 27 02:12
balzacIt's un-american and un-constitutional.Feb 27 02:12
schestowitzAs one person said here yesterday, "I care about ethics, not law"Feb 27 02:12
balzaccivil disobedience is the right approachFeb 27 02:12
balzacexactlyFeb 27 02:13
schestowitzYou were hereFeb 27 02:13
balzacthat's why I tip my hat to the guys at pirate bayFeb 27 02:13
balzacmaybeFeb 27 02:13
schestowitzIt was about sending white-collar criminals to prisonFeb 27 02:13
schestowitzSee their homepageFeb 27 02:13
schestowitzNice pictureFeb 27 02:13
balzacrightFeb 27 02:13
balzacyeahFeb 27 02:13
balzacThat's probably a good ideaFeb 27 02:16
balzac"breakin the law, breakin the law"Feb 27 02:16
balzacJudas PriestFeb 27 02:18
schestowitzHmmm...Feb 27 02:21
schestowitzIf they block this..Feb 27 02:21
schestowitzThat would promote CCFeb 27 02:22
schestowitzI's rather see Hollywood getting broke while people don't give a c* about its output than watch it dying because many people watch its stuff and some don't payFeb 27 02:23
balzacwell, i'm trying to envision victory, not an endless, protracted war of attrition.Feb 27 02:23
schestowitzHollywood has always been highly relaiant on massive privileged audiences that enabled massive production (big budgets for blockbusterFeb 27 02:23
schestowitzYou can take the wind off their sales by avoiding their stuff (which I pretty much do)Feb 27 02:23
balzaci don't agreeFeb 27 02:24
balzaci say get the content, slap their brandFeb 27 02:24
balzacI don't want to miss obama's weekly address, for exampleFeb 27 02:25
balzacI'm away for a while.Feb 27 02:27
balzacKeep the good news coming Roy.Feb 27 02:27
balzacI love to read about M$ problems.Feb 27 02:28
schestowitzOK, I'll do that tomorrowFeb 27 02:30
schestowitzThe TomTom case kept me too busy readingFeb 27 02:30
schestowitzI also commented for the press, so expect another article with me in it. 3rd in a week! ;-)Feb 27 02:30
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MinceRgeekingsFeb 27 09:22
schestowitzMorningFeb 27 09:22
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MinceRhttp://styrofoamsmiles.com/blog/2009/02/unloc...Feb 27 10:14
schestowitzMakes senseFeb 27 10:16
MinceRyeah, i'd be surprised if google didn't fail at something onceFeb 27 10:19
schestowitzPhonarchyFeb 27 10:22
oiaohmSomeone cracking software banned.  Ok status normal.Feb 27 10:25
schestowitzKill switch would be over the lineFeb 27 10:29
oiaohmIf you wrote that into the contract that it was allowed I bet most people would not read it schestowitzFeb 27 10:30
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mkkosweet, using power methods to back up your weak protection. Stone age DRM.Feb 27 10:43
oiaohmNastiest DRM would be one that blew a fuseable link in main cpu stopping it dead.Feb 27 10:44
oiaohmYep hardware bricked.Feb 27 10:45
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mkkowell, it's not like people won't use apps, they just won't payFeb 27 10:54
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schestowitzYahoo! will hopefully not form some alliance with the Vole. Bartz Announces Yahoo Reorganization < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/26/... >Feb 27 11:25
schestowitzhttp://www.channelregister.co.uk... 'Looking ahead, Hovsepian said that Novell was "investigating all opportunities to lower costs," and that might mean more layoffs. (He did not use the L-Word).'Feb 27 11:43
schestowitzNovell could axe jobs on falling demand < http://www.thewest.com.au/default.... >Feb 27 11:44
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schestowitzhttp://www.infoworld.com/article/09/02... "Microsoft declined to respond to Schestowitz's comment."Feb 27 11:55
schestowitzWhat, no luv from Microsoft?Feb 27 11:55
schestowitzhttp://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopi...Feb 27 11:59
*MinceR_ is now known as MinceRFeb 27 12:24
oiaohmSeams these days you are getting more press coverage than the MS stills managed to create schestowitzFeb 27 12:29
MinceRoiaohm: "app developer" != "someone cracking software"Feb 27 12:29
schestowitzoiaohm: thanks.Feb 27 12:32
schestowitzCheck this out: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/European_Com...Feb 27 12:32
schestowitzAppalling. They have no shame. This is like white-collar crime, but no suit can conceal a filthy crook.Feb 27 12:32
oiaohmMinceR: its nothing uncommon for development platforms not to be able to run real applications.Feb 27 12:32
oiaohmSony PSX development console requiered everything signed for it.Feb 27 12:33
MinceRthat's great, but even then the users can't choose a reasonably usable version of the g1Feb 27 12:33
oiaohmI guess the unlocked version can be flashed with a lock version firmware.Feb 27 12:33
MinceRthe "normal" version is locked down; the "developer" version disallows access to the android marketFeb 27 12:34
MinceRi guess someone will eventually come up with a pda/phone that doesn't suck.Feb 27 12:34
oiaohmQuestion are they the same phone changable by firmware.Feb 27 12:34
oiaohmThat would be same class as PS2.Feb 27 12:34
oiaohmOf course to turn as PS2 into development mode you need the development firmware.Feb 27 12:35
oiaohmBasically its not strange.Feb 27 12:35
schestowitzUnrest at Novell. "Look at what Hubert Figuiere hinted at in his blog post as to Novell's rudderless position. Acquisitions in Novell's state and in the current climate and laying off employees? WTF?" < http://www.osnews.com/thread?350654 >Feb 27 12:36
oiaohmThe development version is basically pre cracked.  If you allowed commercial applications on there you could basically copy them no problems.Feb 27 12:36
schestowitzNovell CEO's 2008 compensation was $6.9 million < http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2... >Feb 27 12:36
schestowitzhttp://investerms.com/index.php?news=921 "Information technology icon Novell, Inc. (NDAQ: NOVL ) fared poorly even in this economy: down more than 50% over the last 12 months. This didn't stop CEO Ronald Hovsepian from getting compensation valued at almost $7 million for the year, with nearly $3 million of that in cash." No recession for the HOVSEPIAN family. :-DFeb 27 12:37
schestowitzCool! http://www.qimo4kids.com/default.aspxFeb 27 12:43
schestowitzBut why the heck is it ASPX?????Feb 27 12:44
schestowitzkatherine noyes from the LinuxInsider (ECT) thing is prominent in the tags :-SFeb 27 12:44
MinceRoiaohm: i could basically copy them anyway, considering that DRM is a useless lie.Feb 27 12:44
MinceRwhat google did is basically forcing some of their users to pirate softwareFeb 27 12:45
MinceRwhich is incredibly stupid.Feb 27 12:45
oiaohmIt is not the first device with the development version cannot use other closed source applications.Feb 27 12:48
oiaohmSimple fact what google has done has basically be normal prac of the last 18 years on development versions of embeded devices.Feb 27 12:48
MinceRah, so if someone has done something stupid before, it is not stupid at allFeb 27 12:49
MinceRs/has/had/Feb 27 12:49
MinceRalso, let's just conveniently ignore the fact that pda/phones aren't typical embedded devices.Feb 27 12:50
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oiaohmWhen pda and phones started they were pure embeded devices.Feb 27 13:11
oiaohmBasically the rules of development have not grown with the platform MinceRFeb 27 13:12
MinceRthe hype has, though.Feb 27 13:12
MinceRthough afaik pdas have long ago grown out of the "pure embedded" period alreadyFeb 27 13:12
MinceRit's the telcos -- and whoever willing to completely submit to them (google, apple, others) -- that are ruining the party.Feb 27 13:13
MinceRsomehow the freerunner wasn't banned anywhere yet :>Feb 27 13:13
schestowitzThe mortgage mentality: buy (rent) cheaply now, pay over time.Feb 27 13:14
oiaohmNop some pda still have kept closed source software path for drm play back.Feb 27 13:20
oiaohmIe development version cannot play drm media.Feb 27 13:20
oiaohmYes its not as grown up as what lots of people want to think MinceRFeb 27 13:20
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amarsh04whoever mentioned qtpfsgui before... thanks... unlike okular it doesn't take too long on file open dialoguesFeb 27 13:46
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schestowitzHey, schestowitz Feb 27 13:48
schestowitzseller_liar: Feb 27 13:48
seller_liarschestowitz: hello royFeb 27 13:50
seller_liarschestowitz: I was thinkingFeb 27 13:51
seller_liarschestowitz: We live in a bipolar societyFeb 27 13:51
seller_liarschestowitz: Divided in consumption and productionFeb 27 13:53
seller_liarschestowitz: We must change this to:Feb 27 13:53
seller_liarschestowitz: consumption, production and reflectionFeb 27 13:53
seller_liarschestowitz: People should think about their habits of consumption and productionFeb 27 13:54
seller_liarschestowitz: In ethics, clearFeb 27 13:54
schestowitzYes.Feb 27 13:54
seller_liarschestowitz: In a ethical way ,of courseFeb 27 13:54
schestowitzBut it's not designed to work this wayFeb 27 13:54
schestowitzCorporations recklessly consumeFeb 27 13:55
schestowitzAnd then expect socialism to come and bail them out once in a whileFeb 27 13:55
schestowitz"Tough love"Feb 27 13:55
seller_liarschestowitz: People still think they should only produce and consumeFeb 27 13:55
seller_liarschestowitz: People should include ethics in their livesFeb 27 13:55
seller_liarschestowitz: People dream of consume more, produce more thinking that this is goodFeb 27 13:56
seller_liarschestowitz: People should get used to doing the routine things always remembering the impact that they cause ethicalFeb 27 13:58
seller_liarschestowitz: Sorry , bad translationFeb 27 13:58
seller_liarschestowitz: People must think about ethics all the timeFeb 27 13:58
schestowitzseller_liar: have you seen the programme "century of the self"?Feb 27 13:59
seller_liarschestowitz: When you buy a product, in time to produce a productFeb 27 13:59
seller_liarschestowitz: no sorryFeb 27 13:59
schestowitzThere's also the consideration of a third partyFeb 27 13:59
seller_liarschestowitz: bad translation againFeb 27 14:00
schestowitzPeople think of the effect only in two-way relationshipsFeb 27 14:00
schestowitzHold on...Feb 27 14:00
schestowitzWatch this programme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?...Feb 27 14:00
seller_liarschestowitz: people must think about ethics ,every time which buys a productFeb 27 14:01
seller_liarschestowitz: We must create a ethical consciousnessFeb 27 14:01
seller_liarschestowitz: Ok I will seeFeb 27 14:02
seller_liarschestowitz: thanksFeb 27 14:02
seller_liarschestowitz: for exampleFeb 27 14:02
seller_liarschestowitz: Every time I buy a product (cola ,coca -cola  for example)Feb 27 14:03
seller_liarschestowitz: I remember about a company of productFeb 27 14:03
seller_liarschestowitz:And the case of coca ,I always hate coca-cola because of company that producesFeb 27 14:04
seller_liarschestowitz: This is ethical  consciousnessFeb 27 14:05
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schestowitzPeople are taught not to think about thatFeb 27 14:10
schestowitzThey choose brands based on music and images they are shown on TV (a form of hypnosis addressing the deeper human thinking)Feb 27 14:10
seller_liarseller_liar:Skinner , a good psychologistFeb 27 14:11
seller_liarschestowitz: Skinner , a good psychologistFeb 27 14:11
seller_liarschestowitz: Propaganda = Skinner theoryFeb 27 14:11
seller_liarschestowitz: Turn a bad thing (cigarettes) with a good thing (women and cars) Result = cigarette is goodFeb 27 14:13
seller_liarschestowitz:sorry ,turn = putFeb 27 14:14
seller_liarschestowitz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._F._SkinnerFeb 27 14:15
schestowitzYes, that's about rightFeb 27 14:15
schestowitzDid you see the video?Feb 27 14:15
seller_liarschestowitz: No , I will see laterFeb 27 14:16
seller_liarschestowitz: Tobbaco company uses skinner strategyFeb 27 14:17
schestowitzNot onlyFeb 27 14:17
schestowitz.Bernays made women smokeFeb 27 14:17
schestowitzSame type of tacticsFeb 27 14:17
seller_liarschestowitz: Coca-cola tooFeb 27 14:18
schestowitzSame applied to advertising of iPods, cars, wars (invasions)...Feb 27 14:18
schestowitzYes, Coca Cola is about images and music, not merits of water with acids and sugarsFeb 27 14:18
seller_liarschestowitz: Coca does a lot of propaganda  about ecology , good willFeb 27 14:18
schestowitzYes, they mustFeb 27 14:19
seller_liarschestowitz: Because images are a good thingFeb 27 14:19
schestowitzPoliticians told corporations that they must pretend like thisFeb 27 14:19
amarsh04I love the way that the tobacco counter at my local supermarket (as required by law) a large colour picture of a gangrenous foot with a warning that smoking causes that problemFeb 27 14:19


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